Halo2 2004...Just For The Haterz.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Halo2 was released a VERY long time ago, this year, PC gamers finally get their hands on the game. Nothing has changed after 3 years, not even graphical updates, and the game is averaging 74% right now. For the PC currently a 3 year old game with no improvements averaging 74% is pretty damn good.

Here is what Whacko has to say about Eurogamer's Halo2 PC review which is 6/10:<b>Wah, wah, wah!! Good games stand the test of time. Mediocrity gets exposed. Halo 2 is mediocre. Maybe you should re-read the review, they, like me, ilked Halo. Halo 2 is inferior. This review was posted to expose your hypocrisy, thank you for co-ooperating. I take it we won't be hearing anymore from you about how much you respect eurogamer as a site, you blubbering baby.</b>

Here is my reply Whacko!

<b>Eurogamer Halo2 Review, 4 July 2004!! 9/10

Summary
If you haven�t already guessed from what you've read so far, the ante has most definitely been upped in Halo 2's Campaign mode, and while Microsoft is desperately hoping that the game will be a Live Trojan Horse (and only time will tell if this will really be the case), it's heartening to find out that the game is worth buying even if you have absolutely no intention of bothering with the game's multitude of online multiplayer options. Statistically, the overwhelming majority of people who buy Halo 2 won't care one iota for multiplayer (whatever the very vocal minority want you to believe), save for maybe the split screen co-op - so thank goodness Bungie hasn't really sacrificed the single player mode to make it into some sort of side show to the main event. It's very clear, having played through all 15 chapters (12 hours on Normal is probably a fair guess) that it's a much more consistent, more exciting game than the original with far less of the moody tedium that blighted the middle section of the original. As we said loud and clear, though, no-one should purchase Halo 2 with expectations that it's going to change their life or anything. The game has some welcome new additions, but in the main it sticks very rigidly to the formula that made the first game such a runaway success - it wasn't particularly broken, and should come as no surprise to find out that they didn�t really do a huge amount to change it. And as far as the narrative side of the game goes for all its big budget grandiosity and Star Wars Episode Two brow furrowing leanings, it's still fairly throwaway stuff that most of us will take or leave. It's impressive, don't get us wrong, but it's the side dish to the main course - and that, as far as we're concerned is a good thing. We didn't want Metal Gear Solid levels of impenetrability anyway, thanks.

"But is it a ten?!" you're all busy screaming, while some of you are probably wryly still holding that score against us all this time. The truth is, the real Halo fans will say it's a ten, the unbelievers will nod reluctantly and cling onto their stubborn belief that it's not as good as everyone makes out it is and mentally score it an eight whatever, but we�re going to sit on the fence for this one with a solid, creditable nine. The production values and the technical achievements of this game are almost beyond what anyone's managed in the short history of gaming, but that doesn't necessarily make up for the shortfalls. The truth is, for every hour our blood was pumping like a turbo charged locomotive through our adrenaline scored veins, there were an equal number of hours where we were bored with the unimaginative repetition of formulaic corridor based FPS trawls. On balance, we feel, the Campaign mode deserves a score somewhere that snugly sits between the two; it's an up and down game, and although it hits stellar heights, it trawls some murky depths, and for that we're not going to sit back and praise it unconditionally like some people might. But like we said all along, you probably made your mind up whether to buy it or not before we uttered a single word. The final word? Brilliant, but not enough of a progression to deserve top marks. Better than Halo? Yes.
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Oh yeah, Metacritic and Gameranking have Halo2 at 95% average u azz-crumb eating waste of jizz! So? Anybody else feeling so desperate they need to compare a 3 year old port to current games?

I didn't think so.

[ilnadmy]

Halo is jealous of Battlefield's penis.

[T.Tashi]

At this point the dead horse has come back as a zombie horse. Somebody please shoot it in the head.

[ilnadmy]

Make sure to burn its body afterwards, we don't want Crimson Head horses running around.

[Slashes-With-Claws]

At this point the dead horse has come back as a zombie horse. Somebody please shoot it in the head.

With a double barreled plasma rocket cannon of doom… maybe it will not come back again. Yeah right.

In response to the topic:
Half-Life > Halo

[theWacoKid]

Hey, moron, your bus is leaving. READ my reply, you massive cretin. Good games stand the test of time. Halo 2 hasn't withstood the test of time, according to eurogamer, a site you profess is objective and trustworthy. Thanks for proving my point.. For eurogamer, upon reflection, upon further analysis, the game has gone from a 9 to a 6. Eurogamer is only now figuring out what many of us figured day one back in 2004. Not you, of course.

Even bungie has admitted that halo 2 had major issues, that the brutes were crap. Get a bloody clue. When the game's creators admit that their game had fundamental problems, maybe you should listen instead of flapping your ignorant gums and just raising a breeze. You're the tard who wanted to make eurogamer a credible site so you could bash Heavenly Sword, Now, that you're eating crow looking like the horse's rear end you are, you feel compelled to start a new thread when you could've replied in the other thead.

You're an egotistical ASS of the highest order, an insecure, brain cell defecient XBOT. Don't blame me for your mental shortcomings, blame dear old mom and dad. You want to keep taking a beating, TMG, keep it up. You supply the rear end, I'll supply the paddle. Whack, whack, whack! How does it feel, boyo?

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Hey, moron, your bus is leaving. READ my reply, you massive cretin. Good games stand the test of time. Halo 2 hasn't withstood the test of time, according to eurogamer, a site you profess is objective and trustworthy. Thanks for proving my point.. For eurogamer, upon reflection, upon further analysis, the game has gone from a 9 to a 6. Eurogamer is only now figuring out what many of us figured day one back in 2004. Not you, of course.

Even bungie has admitted that halo 2 had major issues, that the brutes were crap. Get a bloody clue. When the game's creators admit that their game had fundamental problems, maybe you should listen instead of flapping your ignorant gums and just raising a breeze. You're the tard who wanted to make eurogamer a credible site so you could bash Heavenly Sword, Now, that you're eating crow looking like the horse's rear end you are, you feel compelled to start a new thread when you could've replied in the other thead.

You're an egotistical ASS of the highest order, an insecure, brain cell defecient XBOT. Don't blame me for your mental shortcomings, blame dear old mom and dad. You want to keep taking a beating, TMG, keep it up. You supply the rear end, I'll supply the paddle. Whack, whack, whack! How does it feel, boyo?

Yes, good games definitely stand the test of time, but that doesn't mean they can compare or compete with new games. There are still people playing Halo2, people on this site as a matter of fact!! And thousands of people still online, I don't know of many or even a few games from 3 years ago that people are still playing today as much as Halo2. If that isn't standing the test of time then what is?

As far as being released in the same form as it was 3 years ago and being reviewed by today's standards? No game can do that! Let me give u a clue, because u truly are one of the dumbest people on this board. This is all i'm gonna say on this subject, actually, IGN is gonna say it for me.

<b>IGN's Review of Halo 2 PC, 7.5/10
<i>For gamers who missed Halo 2 when it came around on the Xbox, the experience of playing the PC version will be rewarding but more than a little dated. For gamers who already blasted their way through the Master Chief's second adventure, Halo 2 for the PC is a very tough sell.

The game really doesn't offer many surprises to those who already played it on the console. There's no new content and very few graphical improvements. But if the last time you saw Master Chief was as he was driving down that ridiculously long hall in the first Halo, then you're in for a treat. </i>
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If you are this stupid where u think that time doesn't change how games are viewed then well it doesn't surprise me. If u can't understand than any game re-packaged and unchanged from 3 years ago, would score worse by today's standards, then u are just stupid, plain and simple. This isn't literature this isn't film, heck even with film u can't get kids to sit down and watch a great western or black and white movie. I just watch Enter The Dragon in HD last week and had to chuckle a few times, this was what we called action in the 70s? In videogames, especially videogames in this genre that live and die on audio/visual, the criteria and standards change faster than any other form of media.

One last quote for u to chew on! This is what Halo2 was considered back then, but obviously no longer.

Eurogamer's Halo2 Review In July 2004:
<b>Bungie wanted the game to be as much like a movie as possible, and with this technology it's fair to say that this is as far as a game has gone to achieve this goal with mind bogglingly lavish animation, and incredibly detailed characters set to a simply breathtaking set of backdrops. It's a feast for the eyes that's almost too much to take in in the space of a few days. We'll have to play through several times before we'll come close to appreciating the incredible effort and talent that has gone into this game. Next to most games we have the pleasure of playing through, Halo 2 goes further in trying to put the player in that environment; just sit back and listen to what's going on. Stop and simply watch the battles ensuing without any of your input at all. Take a close up view of a downed corpse. It's an assault on the senses. Is it as good a movie though? No. Of course, every developer will start out with that notion, but the limitations are there to see, still. The cracks show through once you play it for long enough, but no-one should have ever expected a PIII 733mhz-based machine with 64MB RAM and GeForce 3 graphics to do any more than this. If anything, it's the biggest two fingers to lazy PC development we've ever seen, and proof that if you optimise things enough there should be no reason why PC gamers should have to upgrade as much as they do, but that's another issue entirely. What is does show is the huge gulf between the Xbox and the PS2 when a decent developer is set to work on it with a gigantic budget from the world's richest software company.</b>

There ya go. The last sentence is just a reminder for all the hypocrites and liars on this board who have deluded themselves about what really transpired last generation. This is what Eurogamer felt, these are pretty strong words, some of the strongest supportive language I ever heard last generation. Even a big DIG at the PC back then. Can Halo2 compare to todays shooters? In terms of gameplay, yes. Most shooters today, fantasy solo campaign shooters, don't do half the things Halo2 did gameplay wise. But can Halo2 compare to Gears or Bioshock as total games, hell no! And no game from back then can. Besides, that's Halo3's job. Sorry PC but the world can't stop for you, so if anyone wants to know what the game is about, I suggest not waiting 3 years for the PC version.

Halo2 one of the most successful games ever, one of the highest rated games ever, a game still played by thousands, a game unparalleled on the PS2 or GC, and game that in every way possible is considered a smash hit. Other pubs would die to do half Halo2's numbers. And 3 years later the PC get's it, unchanged, u take reviews which point that fact out, and try to use them to justify how u felt back then? I'm done with u son, nothing u say or will ever say amounts to even a hair on Bungie's azz, so over and out!

[ilnadmy]

I don't know of many or even a few games from 3 years ago that people are still playing today as much as Halo2.

You mean like Counterstrike and Starcraft and Command and Conquer Red Alert 2 and Road to Castle Wolfenstein Enemy Territory and Battlefield 1942 and Battlefield 2 and World of Warcraft and Guild Wars and Warcraft 3 and Call of Duty and Call of Duty 2 and Pro Evolution Soccer 4 and Pro Evolution Soccer 5 and Command and Conquer Generals and City of Heroes and Civilization 3 and No One Lives Forever and No One Lives Forever 2 and FEAR and Dawn of War and Quake 3 and Empire Earth and Empire Earth 2 and Everquest and FIFA 2003 and FIFA 2004 and FIFA 2005 and Final Fantasy XI and Ground Control 2 and Nightfire and Lord of the Rings Battle for Middle Earth and Lineage and Lineage 2 and Madden 04 and Madden 05 and Phantasy Star Universe Online and Rise of Nations and Rise of Legends and SWAT 4 and Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow and Splinter Cell Chaos Theory and Star Wars Empire at War and Tiger Woods 04 and Tiger Woods 05 and Unreal Tournament 2003 and Unreal Tournament 2004 and Worms Armageddon and Worms World Party?

Something like that?

[folken001]

TMG never gets the point. Or, he just ignores it. Whichever.

[Dancer O_o]

You mean like Counterstrike and Starcraft and Command and Conquer Red Alert 2 and Road to Castle Wolfenstein Enemy Territory and Battlefield 1942 and Battlefield 2 and World of Warcraft and Guild Wars and Warcraft 3 and Call of Duty and Call of Duty 2 and Pro Evolution Soccer 4 and Pro Evolution Soccer 5 and Command and Conquer Generals and City of Heroes and Civilization 3 and No One Lives Forever and No One Lives Forever 2 and FEAR and Dawn of War and Quake 3 and Empire Earth and Empire Earth 2 and Everquest and FIFA 2003 and FIFA 2004 and FIFA 2005 and Final Fantasy XI and Ground Control 2 and Nightfire and Lord of the Rings Battle for Middle Earth and Lineage and Lineage 2 and Madden 04 and Madden 05 and Phantasy Star Universe Online and Rise of Nations and Rise of Legends and SWAT 4 and Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow and Splinter Cell Chaos Theory and Star Wars Empire at War and Tiger Woods 04 and Tiger Woods 05 and Unreal Tournament 2003 and Unreal Tournament 2004 and Worms Armageddon and Worms World Party?

Something like that?

heh, yepper those are pretty much better than Halo 2 (which was a short game that nobody seems to mention)...Counter Strike 1.6...ok, I do admit to still secretly playing this game from time to time...and probably the source of my internet bitterness. Soccer must be a big european online phenomenon, some of the very best Counter Strike players are german, it's good to hear them cuss and swear, usually it's good fun with them. They also play a few racing games I've heard.

There are more people playing a PSP title or two online this very night than Halo2. If that new Battlefront Star Wars PSP title coming in a few weeks is as great online as they have shown, it will be bliss. I still play the first one from time to time because the bots are smart enough to be able to kill you with nads..but still stupid enough to stand there with their thumb up their ass though.

[PapaSmurf]

Everyone still plays CS... I mean come on that's the game to beat and it's free

[Mochan]

All that you managed to prove TMG was that Halo 2 only succeeded due to hype at its release, distanced form hype it was a mediocre game.

[Glockstar]

It was better than mediocre. It wasn't exactly the shizz, but it was still great. And a damn sight better than "the official GOTY": Half-Life 2. Now that game was mediocre. Halo 2 should have been the 2004 GOTY.

[Cuddly Knife]

About your post, il. Are there thousands of gamers playing those games daily? I'm sure there are on a few of them, but all of those? I've been playing some Battlefield 1942 at work, and everytime I'm on, there are only about five to no more than ten rooms online. For as limited Halo 2 is with it's multi-player(as far as mods, map editors, and such), it still get's played like no other online console game, and probably many pc games. There is still a decent online community for Far Cry on the 360, but other than that, nothing's even close to H2.

[ilnadmy]

I can tell you for a fact that Counterstrike, Starcraft, Battlefield 2, World of Warcraft, Guild Wars, Warcraft 3, FFXI, and Everquest wipe the floor with Halo 2 in terms of number of people who play. The rest I can't say for sure, but it was mainly to show that there ARE games from 3 years ago being played online a lot, and that TMG is a retarded tool who runs his mouth way too much.

[ceevee]

I don't know of many or even a few games from 3 years ago that people are still playing today as much as Halo2.
You mean like Counterstrike and Starcraft and Command and Conquer Red Alert 2 and Road to Castle Wolfenstein Enemy Territory and Battlefield 1942 and Battlefield 2 and World of Warcraft and Guild Wars and Warcraft 3 and Call of Duty and Call of Duty 2 and Pro Evolution Soccer 4 and Pro Evolution Soccer 5 and Command and Conquer Generals and City of Heroes and Civilization 3 and No One Lives Forever and No One Lives Forever 2 and FEAR and Dawn of War and Quake 3 and Empire Earth and Empire Earth 2 and Everquest and FIFA 2003 and FIFA 2004 and FIFA 2005 and Final Fantasy XI and Ground Control 2 and Nightfire and Lord of the Rings Battle for Middle Earth and Lineage and Lineage 2 and Madden 04 and Madden 05 and Phantasy Star Universe Online and Rise of Nations and Rise of Legends and SWAT 4 and Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow and Splinter Cell Chaos Theory and Star Wars Empire at War and Tiger Woods 04 and Tiger Woods 05 and Unreal Tournament 2003 and Unreal Tournament 2004 and Worms Armageddon and Worms World Party?

Something like that?

that creased me up :D

[theWacoKid]

Halo2 one of the most successful games ever, one of the highest rated games ever, a game still played by thousands, a game unparalleled on the PS2 or GC, and game that in every way possible is considered a smash hit. Other pubs would die to do half Halo2's numbers. And 3 years later the PC get's it, unchanged, u take reviews which point that fact out, and try to use them to justify how u felt back then? I'm done with u son, nothing u say or will ever say amounts to even a hair on Bungie's azz, so over and out!

Hate to say it, but Folken's right, xbots are the whiniest biatches in the gaming world. Don't start crying on me, TMG, you're already a blubbering mess. The irony is, that halo 2's redeeming feeture is its online, and you don't even play that. Your fragile ego which has mastered Halo 2 on legendary probably couldn't take getting smoked by some ten year old online.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

So the haterz on this board have reached a consensus that Halo2 is garbage bad average, whatever. Hmm, so!

None of those games were as successful in ANY objective criteria as Halo2, none of those games will be as successful as Halo3. It is kinda funny. But if Halo2 was so bad, then that means Halo3 shouldn't be nearly as successful as Halo2. The fact is 9/10 people, 90/100 people, 900/1000 people who bought Halo2 will buy Halo3. And the game will have many many NEW customers. All the games u guys listed don't have that kind of following, because they don't satisfy their consumers as well and they don't satisfy reviews as well either. They don't even satisfy the people who list them! Idiots will list a game they never played or played and didn't even like enough to finish:(

The fact that 5 or 6 guys on this board reach a consensus is means that 5 or 6 guys on this board didn't like Halo2. And given the taste of guys on this board it is easy to see that VGR is a magnet for a certain type of gamer.

The facts are that no game from 3 years ago is gonna average 90% today. Even current versions of 3 year old games are failing to do that! COD3, C&C, FEAR, many many games currently can't achieve that, but a 3 year Halo2 should? Half-life 2 Orange, another game that guys on this board hate, is re-releasing soon. Is it gonna have updated graphics, yup. Extra-content, yup, extra features yup! MS didn't do any of that for Halo2. Gears is releasing soon on PC with new content, and it isn't even years old. MS just said "here ya go PC guys, a 3 year old port, no changes, no go out and lick it up!" and a lot of PC gamers are gonna do just that!

Nothing u can do or say, as a group on this board, is gonna change the fact that 3 years ago Halo2 was great in any way u want to judge it. Did it get VGRs approval? Who cares?

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Your fragile ego which has mastered Halo 2 on legendary probably couldn't take getting smoked by some ten year old online.

Since u say u are playing Bioshock. I would assume u believe u have more skill than a 10 year old, right? Now i'm not playing any fragfests right now online. And don't plan to.

But I am racing. So why don't u back up your words. Grab a copy of Forza2 and I'll race u on any real world track long-form, in any class, for 10 laps, no assists, manual tranny, and I'll spot u a 30 second head start.

Come on, you are the tough guy who says he beat the boss on Bioshock without using a First Aid kit, I can't beat a 10 year old online, this should be easy for you. Now let's hear all the excuses as to why u can't do it?

[ceevee]

i'm intrigued, is Halo 2 better than its predecessor? if it is, then i'm game for shootin totty. i don't care too much for graphical techs so long as there is more than an element of aesthetic flair

[Gadfly2317]

The facts are that no game from 3 years ago is gonna average 90% today.

Resident Evil 4 was just releaesd on Wii. . . kinda like how Halo 2 was released later for PC. . . and it has a composite score of over 90%. I've seen sites like Game Critics go back and review games a lot later, to have a better, long term perspective on them, and some games go UP in score over time, and some go DOWN.

Waco's right. Great games stand the test of time, period. You claimed reviewers are a source of OBJECTIVE critieria, and to shut up with our OWN opinions. And YOU claimed Eurogamer is one of the better reviewers out there.

Hey, a game releasing a couple years later might drop a few points because the hype has worn off, but that's not what happened here--the drop was immense. Halo 2 did not stand the test of time. Those who've said all along the game was over-rated (no one has said its complete garbage) are right. You are wrong. End of discussion.

[ceevee]

Resident Evil 4 was just releaesd on Wii. . . kinda like how Halo 2 was released later for PC. . . and it has a composite score of over 90%. I've seen sites like Game Critics go back and review games a lot later, to have a better, long term perspective on them, and some games go UP in score over time, and some go DOWN.

Waco's right. Great games stand the test of time, period. You claimed reviewers are a source of OBJECTIVE critieria, and to shut up with our OWN opinions. And YOU claimed Eurogamer is one of the better reviewers out there.

Hey, a game releasing a couple years later might drop a few points because the hype has worn off, but that's not what happened here--the drop was immense. Halo 2 did not stand the test of time. Those who've said all along the game was over-rated (no one has said its complete garbage) are right. You are wrong. End of discussion.
well, that's answered my query :D

[ilnadmy]

Gears is releasing soon on PC with new content, and it isn't even years old. MS just said "here ya go PC guys, a 3 year old port, no changes, no go out and lick it up!" and a lot of PC gamers are gonna do just that!

Five new chapters and free online is nothing new? And are you implying that Gears was released on the 360 three years ago? Because that would just be f***ing stupid.

well, that's answered my query :D

Haha yeah, don't bother with it.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Resident Evil 4 was just releaesd on Wii. . . kinda like how Halo 2 was released later for PC. . . and it has a composite score of over 90%. I've seen sites like Game Critics go back and review games a lot later, to have a better, long term perspective on them, and some games go UP in score over time, and some go DOWN.

Waco's right. Great games stand the test of time, period. You claimed reviewers are a source of OBJECTIVE critieria, and to shut up with our OWN opinions. And YOU claimed Eurogamer is one of the better reviewers out there.

Hey, a game releasing a couple years later might drop a few points because the hype has worn off, but that's not what happened here--the drop was immense. Halo 2 did not stand the test of time. Those who've said all along the game was over-rated (no one has said its complete garbage) are right. You are wrong. End of discussion.

Yeah but this a console game going to the PC in the shooter genre with no improvements, that's a tough sell for the PC in the most tech oriented genre there is. RE4 going to the Wii a system that cares nothing about tech and graphics is umm a little bit different.

Oh and ilnady I meant GEARS was released not even 2 years ago and is being improved significantly, while Halo2 was 3 years ago and not improved.

Like I said before, if VGR's consensus is that today Halo2 is not a 90% rated game big deal. 3 years ago it was and Halo3 will arrive in a few weeks. MGS2 was a highly rated PS2 game, a year later it came to a more tech oriented system and got rated much lower, and Halo3 is suppose to go to the PC 3 years later and set the world on fire? If Halo2 was released today on 360 with no changes it would struggle to rate at 80%. I really don't know what it is u guys are saying? The question is was Halo2 a great game 3 years ago, the answer is yes. The question is were people who played Halo2 so satisfied that they are chomping at the bit to play the next installment in the series. The question is has the Halo series satisfied more gamers than any other recent franchise and at the same time been as critically successful? Yup. Nothing u guys say or do can change that and Halo3 is gonna be here in a few weeks, i'd be concerned if that game is rated bad today, not Halo2.

I haven't played Halo2 probably in 2 years and have no intention, so I guess that means I agree. Because if I felt I could play any game (old or new) and feel it would give me a 90% level of satisfaction, i'd be playing it.

[theWacoKid]

Since u say u are playing Bioshock. I would assume u believe u have more skill than a 10 year old, right? Now i'm not playing any fragfests right now online. And don't plan to.

But I am racing. So why don't u back up your words. Grab a copy of Forza2 and I'll race u on any real world track long-form, in any class, for 10 laps, no assists, manual tranny, and I'll spot u a 30 second head start.

Come on, you are the tough guy who says he beat the boss on Bioshock without using a First Aid kit, I can't beat a 10 year old online, this should be easy for you. Now let's hear all the excuses as to why u can't do it?

Hey, idiot, you don't get to choose the game, you're challenging me, so FU! Why would I play Forza 2 with you, I don't play Forza 2 at all and you've owned the game since launch, you are a mega douche.

And I said the final boss was mega easy. I didn't claim I had mad skillz, assclown. I packed my eletric gel and just blasted the guy four times in a row till he was dead, can't get much easier than that.

[ceevee]

And I said the final boss was mega easy.. I packed my eletric gel and just blasted the guy four times in a row till he was dead, can't get much easier than that.

Spoiler Alert

must not read this thread! must not read this thread!

[Gadfly2317]

Hey, idiot, you don't get to choose the game, you're challenging me, so FU! Why would I play Forza 2 with you, I don't play Forza 2 at all and you've owned the game since launch, you are a mega douche.

I thought that was funny too. Like, its one of 3 games he owns; and hey, that's cool. Once upon a time I played nothing but Gran Turismo for months on end.

You guys should battle on some game neither of you play much; maybe an XBLA title that wouldn't cost you guys much money.

Doesn't 360 have something with a spectator mode? That would be a lot of fun. I'm not really interested in online gaming for most games, but it would be cool to be able to hop on and watch people settle their scores. A fighting game makes more sense than a racing game. You guys need to duke it out, or sword fight or something.

Super Smash Bros would really be the ideal game to settle online duels, if the next iteration features online gameplay.

I still wish we could get an online Bushido Blade sequel for the Wii. We've seen now that gunplay can be pulled off. But what about swordplay? Shooting people's ok, but its more fun to chop off their limbs one by one, like King Arthur vs. the Black Knight in Monty Python's Holy Grail.

[ilnadmy]

-I win!
-No you don't!
-But your arm's off.
-'Tis but a flesh wound! Have at you!

[ceevee]

hehe..

Black Knight: Right, I'll do you for that!
King Arthur: You'll what?
Black Knight: Come here!
King Arthur: What are you gonna do, bleed on me?
Black Knight: I'm invincible!
King Arthur: ...You're a loony.

[BaneNWN]

Halo 2 = watered down version of UT 2004

[Mochan]

My name is Inigo Montoya...

[Mochan]

i'm intrigued, is Halo 2 better than its predecessor? if it is, then i'm game for shootin totty. i don't care too much for graphical techs so long as there is more than an element of aesthetic flair

I just discovered that Razor released an XP crack patch for Halo 2, so it works on Win XP. Maybe I'll grab it later and play it the way it's meant to be played - at high res with a mouse.

[Mochan]

None of those games were as successful in ANY objective criteria as Halo2, none of those games will be as successful as Halo3. It is kinda funny. But if Halo2 was so bad, then that means Halo3 shouldn't be nearly as successful as Halo2.

Consensus means nothing, period.

The DS is a hell of a lot more successful than the 360. Mark of a worldwide consensus spanning beyond the reach of VGR, no? Seems the 360 sucks then. And the DS rules. In your face.

[ilnadmy]

Going with the Monty Python theme, I give you...

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[Zilla Man]

Like I said before, if VGR's consensus is that today Halo2 is not a 90% rated game big deal. The question is were people who played Halo2 so satisfied that they are chomping at the bit to play the next installment in the series. The question is has the Halo series satisfied more gamers than any other recent franchise and at the same time been as critically successful? Yup.

Sorry to break it to you TMG and Glockstar. VGR members aren't the only ones who think Halo 2 is overrated. This Neo GAF thread starts out about with a guy talking about how the PC port sucks but it seems to do more with the game's design than anything else.:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=183350

"The repetition gets annoying. There's this one level where you're Master Chief and you're trying to reach the Prophet of Truth (i think, it might have been Regret) before he escapes. It's the one that gets a Flood thing stuck to his face. You're playing as the Arbiter for the next level. Alright, cool. But then the level right after that one is the exact same one you played as Master Chief before except you're going through it in reverse and you're dealing with Flood instead of Brutes. Oh wow, such variety. And other than the cloaking ability, it was a little disappointing how the Arbiter played exactly like the Chief.

The gameplay isn't very good either. There must be at least eight or ten points in the game where you're forced to just sit there and wait for something to happen. You'll reach a new area, deal with some Brutes/Covenant, start going to the nex--- NO WAIT! Here's come some more enemies on a drop ship! Alright, took care of those, "Checkpoint Reached", moving on... nope, here come some more! Repeat that another two times before you're allowed to progress. So ****ing annoying. And it doesn't help that your AI squad-mates are dumb as **** and worthless in almost all situations unless they're taking care of the gun turret on the Warthog. During the later levels it seems that enemy AI is thrown out the window in favour of just throwing more enemies at you. You're trying to get through a level and all you see is a flurry of pink and purple in front of your face.

So why the hell did I keep playing this thing to end? The story. As somewhat uninteresting as I found it (too much "Prophecy! Icon! Index! Heresy! Salvation!"), I had to know what was going to happen next. I like how certain aspects of it unfolded in front of you as you play (Covenant/Brute fights, a Prophet talking over a loud speaker) and keeps you motivated. But honestly that was it. The repetitive level designs, the boring gameplay... jeeze. Playing through Halo 2 made me less excited about Halo 3, gameplay wise. I really, really, REALLY hope it turns out to be legitimately great, because we all know it's going to get nothing but 9s and 10s everywhere no matter how it turns out, and I have a 360 now so Halo 3 is right up there on my most anticipated list."

But then he's quickly joined by former Xbox users, most of whom who agree with him:

"The Halo 2 campaign is a piece of ****... I think that's universal opinion."

"The series has never had an incredible campaign really. The first was fresh at the time, which increased the enjoyment of the campaign, but going back to play either 1 or 2's campaign is not too fun. The 2nd's campaign especially is pretty underwhelming - especially after that one E3 video they showed."

"The open-ended levels in Halo 2 were the biggest dissapointment for me, as even those felt way too linear and contrained compared to Halo 1's massive open levels."

"I thought the campaign was a lot worse than the first one. Despite problems the first Halo had a really fun single player mode."

"What bothered me the most about a lot of Halo 2's level design is there's frequently no real sense of "place." I understand that much of it takes place in a convenant environment, but they never felt like believable locations to me."

"Transitioning from Halo to Halo 2, I think people lost the sense of openness that was present in the original. It's kinda strange going back and playing both now, because Halo is as much a corridor shooter as the sequel, save a handful of levels that break the mold. I think it's those levels, namely Halo, Silent Cartographer, and Assault on the Control Room that get ingrained in everyone's mind as the definitive Halo experience. And though there are several levels in Halo 2 that try to capture that same feel of openness, the rails seem a little more visible for a number of reasons.

And yeah, Halo 2 was the pinnacle of video game hype. Coupled with the misleading marketing and the missing ending, it left a sour taste in more than a few fan's mouths."

"Halo 2's outdoor levels just weren't as much fun. The big snow level in Halo 1, the first big green grassy area after your transport crashes, back in 2001 or whenever it was, seeing these big expansive outdoor levels was pretty neat. But by the time the second one rolled around, lots of other games had done it, and also the second one just wasn't as pretty.
And whoever said that brilliant comment about not knowing what the purpose of any given room is, and that taking you out of the game, I totally agree. It's the same with the human levels, but once you get to pink and purple alien land it's just like ROLLEYES. What is all this stuff? What possible use could all of these utterly empty rooms have, and why are there so many of them?"

"Hopefully Halo3 makes Halo1 look like Halo2. I mean it just felt unfinished."

There are a lot more but you guys get the idea. It's interesting how objective people become once the hype clears...Basic concensus seems to be that the campaign sucked but everyone enjoyed the multiplayer. That's what saved this title. Once again, it's all aboutfeeding the MS monster called Xbox Live....

[ilnadmy]

TMG isn't going to pay any attention to what you just posted, Zilla. Face it, we try and try, but he's just going to come back with some stupid sh** like, "Oh, well it got 9s and 10s and it was a great game and everyone is talking about Halo 3 so it's a great game."

And it doesn't help that your AI squad-mates are dumb as **** and worthless in almost all situations unless they're taking care of the gun turret on the Warthog.

THANK YOU! I've been saying this, and yet TMG seems to think it's because I run out into the open and get them killed. Then he turns around to compliment the enemy AI by saying that if you just hide, the enemy will take out your allies one by one. WHICH IS IT, SCHIZO BOY?

[Zilla Man]

TMG isn't going to pay any attention to what you just posted, Zilla. Face it, we try and try, but he's just going to come back with some stupid sh** like, "Oh, well it got 9s and 10s and it was a great game and everyone is talking about Halo 3 so it's a great game."

Yeah, I know. I've seen what happens when you, Mochan, and Gaddy try to confront him and Gamer from 78 with actual logic...:rolleyes:

[Gadfly2317]

Zilla, TMG won't actually read what you posted. He'll pick a couple sentences out and harp on them, and spew his same stupid crap.

I WISH TMG would read all those quotes you just posted from other gamers about the problems in Halo, and at least try to comprehend other people's perspective. To take a couple minutes and try to understand what his opponents are saying, so he can respond to what they ACTUALLY are saying. I would respect his opinion a lot more if I though he actually read and understood where other people are coming from.

But, there's conclusive proof that TMG doesn't respect people enough to even read what he's attacking. He'll read a couple sentences, and then just make up the rest of the stuff, pretend you said it, and then attack the stuff he just made up and stuck in your mouth. It's pretty vile.

I respect people here; I actually read what people say if I'm going to respond to it. Most people here respect each other despite what the smack talk might suggest. TMG, though, not only is he an ignorant fanboy, but he disprespects the entire community here with what he does--TMG undermines any semblence of honesty and integrity here, he poisons discussions by filling them with fabrications, straight up lies, and ignorance.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

I post my opinion you guys don't agree.
You post your opinion, I don't agree.
All of the facts are on MY side, and u guys still don't agree. So i'm suppose to argue till i'm blue in the face with people who PERSONALLY didn't like Halo2?

Why? I don't care about your personal opinions, there is nothing you can objectively point to except your opinion or someone elses's opinion. All of a sudden sales don't matter, the fact people are still playing the game doesn't matter, the fact it was a critical success doesn't matter, and the fact that so many people were satisfied that Halo3 will be a day one smash hit.

There is a consensus here that conflicts with reality. Its like 50% of the people here hated Halo2, if 50% of all the people who played Halo2 hated it, Halo3 will not be nearly as successful as Halo or Halo2. And if all the sites who rated Halo2 so highly 3 years ago, feel like they rushed and were overwhelmed or pressured to give a good rating, surely they won't make the same mistake 3 times when they review Halo3? Will they?

Halo2 es cosa de ayer!!! That means Halo2 is a thing of the past friends. Why u guys feel like u can change that games legacy is beyond me. Of course TMG won't reply, because i've replied and said all I can say. I played the game 3 years ago and said I thought it was GREAT, there is nothing now that can change the experience I had then, this is stupid! Okay, maybe i'm a fanboy, maybe I was the only one who enjoyed the game! Umm NOPE the game is rated 95%, so all the critics loved it too. Okay, so maybe the critics are bought out, the whole lot, surely true gamers disliked it! Nope, the game sold faster and just as well as Halo, and possibly more than any other console game during that era!! So is that the end of the story?

NOPE!! 3 years later a contingent of clowns from VGR have reached a consensus that Halo2 sucked!! Wait a minute, this changes everything! Halo2 didn't win the approval of all the Milkdrinkers and PC Haterz on VGR!!

Any disinterested party reading this thread can easily see who has integrity and honesty.

[ilnadmy]

Nope, the game sold faster and just as well as Halo, and possibly more than any other console game during that era!!

You are a F***ING RETARD! I've already PROVED this wrong, and you STILL keep mentioning it like it's a fact. THIS is why we don't like to f***ing argue with you, you little buttmuncher. You don't f***ing listen.

[Gadfly2317]

You are a F***ING RETARD! I've already PROVED this wrong, and you STILL keep mentioning it like it's a fact. THIS is why we don't like to f***ing argue with you, you little buttmuncher. You don't f***ing listen.

Yep, he refused to address ANY of the concrete things in Zilla's post just as I predicted. He doesn't see that those are not just "opinions" but a collection of observations that are in agreement. "Opinion" and "subjectivity" comes in to play in regards to how much you enjoy the game. But if he were intellectually honest in this debate, he could STILL address the many observations regarding problematic elements in the game.

Only a COWARD hides behind "sales and reviews." I agree that those things count for something, but this is a discussion that the game is overrated and filled with flaws that were overlooked due to the Halo craze. Zilla's post is an excellent collection/summary, it puts it all in one post, and it should be easy for TMG--if he is not a COWARD--to address those concrete issues that have been raised by a LOT of gamers with critical thinking skills (thats where mass market sales don't count for a lot--a LOT of crap is popular.)

It's like saying Brittney Spears was not over-rated because she sold a lot and her albums got great reviews. Last night she revealed herself to be the no-talent braindead cow-puppet many people had observed all along. . . and TMG and his arguments are the Brittney Spears of Sys Wars.

[Jaa Phaanom]

Yep, he refused to address ANY of the concrete things in Zilla's post just as I predicted. He doesn't see that those are not just "opinions" but a collection of observations that are in agreement. "Opinion" and "subjectivity" comes in to play in regards to how much you enjoy the game. But if he were intellectually honest in this debate, he could STILL address the many observations regarding problematic elements in the game.

Only a COWARD hides behind "sales and reviews." I agree that those things count for something, but this is a discussion that the game is overrated and filled with flaws that were overlooked due to the Halo craze. Zilla's post is an excellent collection/summary, it puts it all in one post, and it should be easy for TMG--if he is not a COWARD--to address those concrete issues that have been raised by a LOT of gamers with critical thinking skills (thats where mass market sales don't count for a lot--a LOT of crap is popular.)

It's like saying Brittney Spears was not over-rated because she sold a lot and her albums got great reviews. Last night she revealed herself to be the no-talent braindead cow-puppet many people had observed all along. . . and TMG and his arguments are the Brittney Spears of Sys Wars.

I haven't been around for a while, so I may not really know what's been going on lately, but I remember TMG, myself, and many others having addressed all these criticisms of Halo and Halo 2 ad nauseum. A couple months go by and people kept bringing up the same criticisms again and again. It got to the point where it was just not worth it to continue the argument. All the points had already been addressed many times over and over. Some people just didn't enjoy the game. there's not a single game out there that is loved by everyone. The Halo series just seems to get the most haters because it was the main franchise for the Xbox. If you wanted to be so nitpicky about things, you can pick out numerous flaws in any highly rated game.

Technically, I believe that Halo 2 was superior to Halo. However, Halo was a completely new experience for console gamers. So if you had played Halo, then Halo 2 would not have impressed you as much. Do I think the game should have scored in the mid 90's? Probably not, but it's not as overrated as some of you make it out to be.

[Mochan]

Just out of curiousity, what did Brittney Spears do last night?

[ilnadmy]

However, Halo was a completely new experience for console gamers.

Thank you! We keep pointing this out, and Xbots keep saying NUH-UH IT WAS AN AWESOME GAME FOR WHAT IT WAS! It was a new experience on consoles, that's it. That's why PC gamers aren't impressed by it.

Just out of curiousity, what did Brittney Spears do last night?

Nothing. Which is the problem. She should have been dancing and singing. She did neither.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

I haven't been around for a while, so I may not really know what's been going on lately, but I remember TMG, myself, and many others having addressed all these criticisms of Halo and Halo 2 ad nauseum. A couple months go by and people kept bringing up the same criticisms again and again. It got to the point where it was just not worth it to continue the argument. All the points had already been addressed many times over and over. Some people just didn't enjoy the game. there's not a single game out there that is loved by everyone. The Halo series just seems to get the most haters because it was the main franchise for the Xbox. If you wanted to be so nitpicky about things, you can pick out numerous flaws in any highly rated game.

Technically, I believe that Halo 2 was superior to Halo. However, Halo was a completely new experience for console gamers. So if you had played Halo, then Halo 2 would not have impressed you as much. Do I think the game should have scored in the mid 90's? Probably not, but it's not as overrated as some of you make it out to be.

Good job Jaa. First of all I read Zilla's post and it is one of the weakest Halo2 attacks i've seen. "The single player campaign sucks!!!" Wow, what a revelation. Why Gadfly is cheerleading for his boyfriend over that post I have no idea. Anyway, if u want a contrasting opinion from me, there are several things you can do. #1 Go back through the threads and read my previous opinions on the matter. #2 Read some of the reviews I linked to in this very thread. Otherwise I have no inclination to repeat everything i've said, especially for people who made up there minds already, 3 years ago. Like I said, you have your collective opinions, we have our opinions, and the objective facts are ALL on our side, WE WIN!!

Get ready for Halo3, formulate your opinions now, get your lies together, as u play The Darkness and RFOM:thumbsup:

[theWacoKid]

Like I said, you have your collective opinions, we have our opinions, and the objective facts are ALL on our side, WE WIN!!



When are you giong to realize your so called objective facts such as gamerankings scores are themselves subjective. Putting a number on a game is arbitrary and is an attempt to objectify a subjective impression. In the end, it just doesn't work and all that's left is subjective opinion.

And if numbers sold, equated to quality, then Mickey D's makes the best burgers in the world. Vomit. So, spanky, what exactly have you won, you're just this xbot with his reality distortion helmet on, operatng at full blast. You're like the little kid with his fingers in his ears, going, "I"m not listening, I can't hear you." Be a child, it suits you, refuse to engage, its your style. Run, little, doggie, run, from any argument that requires critical analysis and some thought.

Just remember, dumbazz, this is your retarded thread, you were the assclown looking to rip HS and using eurogamer for your source as to why HS is a stinky game and when it backfired on you and I pointed out eurogamer's Halo 2 pc review, you started on your backpedaling damage control routine. You performed major self-ownage on yourself, well, because you're a dumbazz.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

God this is getting ridiculous. Halo 2 was a great game maybe the campaign was not as great as Halo 1 but it was still one of the best games of that year. HL2 Far Cry 2 Halo 2 were all up there.

The problem is you idiots are saying the game sucks it doesn't. Like TMG says any fact you use critical success it succeeded but like Waco said that's subjective.

The game sold better than the first. ilnadmy are you saying this isn't so??? Well you'd be wrong.

The game today is still being played by 100's of thousands of people. 800,000 thousand people played the freaking Beta! of Halo 3.

At the end of the day the game was a success the next one is going to be a success. The only question is how big of a success it is.

Hate on Haterz!

[Gadfly2317]

Why Gadfly is cheerleading for his boyfriend over that post I have no idea.

Like I said, you have your collective opinions, we have our opinions, and the objective facts are ALL on our side, WE WIN!!


Here's why. . . in the other thread you made "Why the Wii can't Win" I pointed out exactly what you just posted above:

Regarding the Wii, its outselling the 360 EVERY SINGLE MONTH. It's one of the fastest selling consoles in history, and certainly of this gen. Its also been a critics darling. SO. . . we have critical opininion, and we have sales. By your arguments, the Wii is the best gaming console of this generation. You ran like a coward from this in the Wii thread. So my point was, either your opinions regarding the wii are just your own WRONG opinions, or you needed to stop hiding like a little pansy in THIS thread behind "sales facts" and actually rebut the points that have been raised. But you STILL won't, because you CAN'T, and you still are running away in the Wii thread from your own criteria that say the Wii is the best.

So; We have our Opinions, and the objective facts are on our side WII WIN!!!! The Wii is the best gaming console this gen by TMG's RULES of DEBATE.

[ilnadmy]

The game sold better than the first. ilnadmy are you saying this isn't so??? Well you'd be wrong.

When did I say that?

[trebor]

TMG - "Red colored food is superior to all other food. Apples are red, therefore, apples are superior to all other food."

VGR - "Well, strawberries are red, so strawberries must be superior to all other food too."

TMG - "No way, strawberries SUCK!"

VGR - "Wait... you just said red colored food is superior to all other food, and strawberries are red."

TMG - "I HATE strawberries, they look like crap."

VGR - "But they TASTE so good!"

TMG - "I HATE strawberries, they look like crap."

VGR - "But strawberries are RED and you just said that RED colored food is superior to all other food, so how can they look like crap."

TMG - "Look, we all have opinions, but red colored food sells better and people love red colored food. Therefore, Apples WIN!"

VGR - "Wait... what!?"

TMG - "Strawberries look like total crap."

VGR - "Err, strawberries are very popular, plus they sell really well. In fact they often sell better than apples. AND THEY'RE RED!"

TMG - "Look I don't have time to argue with you, just face the facts. Apples are red, so they are superior to all other food."

VGR - "!@$# :mad2: "

[ilnadmy]

Hahahaha that's pretty much it. :D

[ThaMaskedGamer]

When are you giong to realize your so called objective facts such as gamerankings scores are themselves subjective. Putting a number on a game is arbitrary and is an attempt to objectify a subjective impression. In the end, it just doesn't work and all that's left is subjective opinion.

And if numbers sold, equated to quality, then Mickey D's makes the best burgers in the world. Vomit. So, spanky, what exactly have you won, you're just this xbot with his reality distortion helmet on, operatng at full blast. You're like the little kid with his fingers in his ears, going, "I"m not listening, I can't hear you." Be a child, it suits you, refuse to engage, its your style. Run, little, doggie, run, from any argument that requires critical analysis and some thought.

Just remember, dumbazz, this is your retarded thread, you were the assclown looking to rip HS and using eurogamer for your source as to why HS is a stinky game and when it backfired on you and I pointed out eurogamer's Halo 2 pc review, you started on your backpedaling damage control routine. You performed major self-ownage on yourself, well, because you're a dumbazz.

That's the point where subjective opinion becomes objective data. That's why critics get paid to voice their opinions and u guys get to prove just how stupid you are! U know how many games have been released over the summer? How many moved the number of units Bioshock did?

The critics praised this game from the minute it was shown to them at E-3 2 years ago. Once released they praised it EVEN more! U can look at games like The Darkness, Gadfly's new favorite as a contrasting example, people listen to critics! Critics can give a game that initial boost, but we have seen games garner critical praise, but then fail in the marketplace. Critics crack the door open and consumers bust the damn door down. Once word of mouth spread that the game is "actually as good as the critics said" you have a runaway hit. If people weren't spreading the word that this game is great, it wouldn't do the kind of numbers it is going to do.

Now u see why i've said all of your consensus opinions about Halo2 don't mean sh*t. If people didn't enjoy the game or thought it was crap no less, they wouldn't be lining up at Midnight and buying $100 special editions. So u guys need to just think about it. Do 90 or 95 or maybe even 99% of the people who played Halo2 agree with you guys that the game is crap or agree with me that the game was not only good, but one of the best games of last generation?

Your opinions on this board don't mean sh*t. I have my opinion, the critics agree, and the masses agree. You guys only matter to each other. People are still buying Halo2 as a matter of fact! Over 330k units moved YTD!! FEAR would be happy with this numbers for the whole year, The Darkness would be happy with those numbers.

You know what? I actually retract my offer to refute anyone's post of Halo2 criticisms. Who gives a F*** why u don't like Halo2?

[Cuddly Knife]

That's a good post, TMG. Me likey. I gots to agree.

[ilnadmy]

Your logic is flawed, TMG. The people who bought Halo 2 enjoyed Halo, and will probably enjoy Halo 3. If they thought Halo was crap (like me), they wouldn't have bought Halo 2 (like me). Similarly, people who bought MGS3 probably enjoyed MGS2 and MGS, and are likely to buy MGS4. That doesn't mean that "the masses" love the game. If you wanted to get technical, "the masses" love Pokemon and Wii. 8 million units of Halo 2 sold is impressive, but nowhere near "the masses".

[theWacoKid]

That's the point where subjective opinion becomes objective data. That's why critics get paid to voice their opinions and u guys get to prove just how stupid you are! U know how many games have been released over the summer? How many moved the number of units Bioshock did?

The critics praised this game from the minute it was shown to them at E-3 2 years ago. Once released they praised it EVEN more! U can look at games like The Darkness, Gadfly's new favorite as a contrasting example, people listen to critics! Critics can give a game that initial boost, but we have seen games garner critical praise, but then fail in the marketplace. Critics crack the door open and consumers bust the damn door down. Once word of mouth spread that the game is "actually as good as the critics said" you have a runaway hit. If people weren't spreading the word that this game is great, it wouldn't do the kind of numbers it is going to do.

Now u see why i've said all of your consensus opinions about Halo2 don't mean sh*t. If people didn't enjoy the game or thought it was crap no less, they wouldn't be lining up at Midnight and buying $100 special editions. So u guys need to just think about it. Do 90 or 95 or maybe even 99% of the people who played Halo2 agree with you guys that the game is crap or agree with me that the game was not only good, but one of the best games of last generation?

Your opinions on this board don't mean sh*t. I have my opinion, the critics agree, and the masses agree. You guys only matter to each other. People are still buying Halo2 as a matter of fact! Over 330k units moved YTD!! FEAR would be happy with this numbers for the whole year, The Darkness would be happy with those numbers.

You know what? I actually retract my offer to refute anyone's post of Halo2 criticisms. Who gives a F*CK why u don't like Halo2?

When you babble, talk your dick out of your mouth, so people can understand your infantile whining gibberish. You're a pathetic POS who gets his ass handed to him time and time again. When you can't debate your way out of a wet paper bag, because, well, you're stoopid, you go back to what the critics say, in other words, assmuncher, we're back again to gamerankings and metacritics scores and how many people bought the game, blah, blah, blah. Well, isn't this fu#$ing famiiliar territory, we just went around in a circle.

Well, genius, then I guess MGS2 is a great fu#$ing game as well, then isn't it? Because its got one high gamerankings score and it sold well. Go ahead, I want to hear your xbox loving ass admit that MGS2 is a great game. Go ahead, retard, it scored 95% on gamerankings and sold millions of copies, it must be a great game, according to your logic. But, no, not according to your hypocritical xbox loving ass, a game like MGS2 is well, rubbish compared to macho Sam Fisher and his exploits. So, you want to keep playing this kid's game, TMG, keep it up, you just keep pitching and I'll just keep whacking em right back at you.

You're not going to win this game, not today, not tomorrow, not ever because you're a hypocrirtical retard. People have been on to you for fricking ages, you're just so slow, you've only just now begin to realize that everyone has had your number a very long time ago. You get more hysterical, irrational and rabid by the posting, keep it up, I'm having fun.:D

Oh, and I absolutely dare you to go to an xbox board and proclaim halo 2 as the greatest game EVAR and see if you can get 90 or 95 or 99% of xboxers to agree with you. Go ahead, I'd love to see that. ROFLMAO, you would get effin crushed and your ego would be a stain on the internet floor. Go to an xbox board and check out the most overrated games threads on there, and you'll see your precious halo 2 come up time and time again. You live in some dream world, TMG.

[Mochan]

Your opinions on this board don't mean sh*t. I have my opinion, the critics agree, and the masses agree. You guys only matter to each other. People are still buying Halo2 as a matter of fact!

Your opinion is the DS is some piece of crap toy you will never game on. That's your opinion. But it's sold a hell of a lot more than the 360, Halo or Bioshock. The critics agree, and the masses agree it's good.

So your opinion means sh*t, as you so succinctly put it.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

When you babble, talk your dick out of your mouth, so people can understand your infantile whining gibberish. You're a pathetic POS who gets his ass handed to him time and time again. When you can't debate your way out of a wet paper bag, because, well, you're stoopid, you go back to what the critics say, in other words, assmuncher, we're back again to gamerankings and metacritics scores and how many people bought the game, blah, blah, blah. Well, isn't this fu#$ing famiiliar territory, we just went around in a circle.

Well, genius, then I guess MGS2 is a great fu#$ing game as well, then isn't it? Because its got one high gamerankings score and it sold well. Go ahead, I want to hear your xbox loving ass admit that MGS2 is a great game. Go ahead, retard, it scored 95% on gamerankings and sold millions of copies, it must be a great game, according to your logic. But, no, not according to your hypocritical xbox loving ass, a game like MGS2 is well, rubbish compared to macho Sam Fisher and his exploits. So, you want to keep playing this kid's game, TMG, keep it up, you just keep pitching and I'll just keep whacking em right back at you.

You're not going to win this game, not today, not tomorrow, not ever because you're a hypocrirtical retard. People have been on to you for fricking ages, you're just so slow, you've only just now begin to realize that everyone has had your number a very long time ago. You get more hysterical, irrational and rabid by the posting, keep it up, I'm having fun.:D

Oh, and I absolutely dare you to go to an xbox board and proclaim halo 2 as the greatest game EVAR and see if you can get 90 or 95 or 99% of xboxers to agree with you. Go ahead, I'd love to see that. ROFLMAO, you would get effin crushed and your ego would be a stain on the internet floor. Go to an xbox board and check out the most overrated games threads on there, and you'll see your precious halo 2 come up time and time again. You live in some dream world, TMG.

Your infantile rantings are so old. But you have provided me yet another opportunity to prove the difference between Milkdrinkers and XBOTS and well azzholes(that would be you).

MGS2 is a game that sold exceptionally well and was rated exceptionally high. It is a game that is well regarded by PS2 fans. It also happens to be game I, PERSONALLY, thought was a piece of sh*t overrated turd! But I know that MGS2 was a great game. Just because I, SUBJECTIVELY hated the game, doesn't mean I don't understand the effect this game has on the gaming world. This is why I have always said I can't wait for MGS4! I want to give the series another chance and maybe I can see why others love it so much!! This is why I say if my kids get a Wii Metroid will be one of the games I try to maybe see first hand if it will change my views. I know the difference of when I personally don't agree with what is objectively certified.

Class dismissed.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Your opinion is the DS is some piece of crap toy you will never game on. That's your opinion. But it's sold a hell of a lot more than the 360, Halo or Bioshock. The critics agree, and the masses agree it's good.

So your opinion means sh*t, as you so succinctly put it.

You guys don't understand the meaning of opinion and subjective. Yes I would NEVER buy the DS or play the DS for myself. I think it is pretty crappy. Between the two, i'd rather have a PSP. But that is my opinion!! I fully understand the DS is a wonder and one of the most successful products in the history of gaming. There are TWO DS' in my home! Two! And when I sit and watch my kids play it, I just don't understand what they see in those little crappy games.

But again, that is my personal opinion, I fully understand that the DS is a GREAT gaming device. You guys have an opinion about Halo2, that is just the same as my opinion about the Nintendo DS or MGS2, but unlike me, u guys don't realize that your opinion doesn't mean sh*t, and it hurts you that your opinion doesn't mean sh*t. I know my opinion about the DS and MGS2 is not gonna change the critics or stop the masses from enjoying those devices. There is a time when your opinion agrees with what is basically a fact and times when it doesn't. In regards to Halo2 you need to realize which side of the fence you are on. Here is a hint, u are on the side that doesn't mean jack-sh*t. Sorry. Maybe if u can't get over yourself and try and be objective and play Halo3 with an open mind, you will see what other people see.

When I play MGS4 i'm not gonna play the game with an attitude of "I don't wanna enjoy this" if that is the attitude i'm gonna have, then of course i'm not gonna enjoy the game. You guys are just MS haterz, EVERY ONE WHO IS READING THIS and is not part of the discussion can see right through you guys. You guys are just haters. Even people who didn't like the game and maybe thought the game was good but not 95% great, wouldn't say some of the dumb sh*t u guys say.

[ilnadmy]

Look TMG, I didn't play Halo with the idea of "I want to hate this game." What's the point? I bought an Xbox and got Halo, why would I want to hate the game? I just didn't enjoy it, having been spoiled by PC shooters. A large number of PC gamers thought Halo was disappointing. If I had never played PC FPS games before, I probably would have loved it. However, given that I've played so many better FPS games on the PC, I couldn't help but be disappointed. Hell, I even gave Halo 2 a chance, but I just couldn't bring myself to finish it. It's not like I was TRYING to hate the game!

[theWacoKid]

Your infantile rantings are so old. But you have provided me yet another opportunity to prove the difference between Milkdrinkers and XBOTS and well azzholes(that would be you).

MGS2 is a game that sold exceptionally well and was rated exceptionally high. It is a game that is well regarded by PS2 fans. It also happens to be game I, PERSONALLY, thought was a piece of sh*t overrated turd! But I know that MGS2 was a great game. Just because I, SUBJECTIVELY hated the game, doesn't mean I don't understand the effect this game has on the gaming world. This is why I have always said I can't wait for MGS4! I want to give the series another chance and maybe I can see why others love it so much!! This is why I say if my kids get a Wii Metroid will be one of the games I try to maybe see first hand if it will change my views. I know the difference of when I personally don't agree with what is objectively certified.

Class dismissed.

Just crawl back under that rock you came from, you slimy, hypocritical, double talking piece of garbage. If your opinion of a game is that its an overrated POS, then you can't believe its a great game. That's a delusional thought process you're describing. It's not a matter of you SUBJECTIVELY hatiing the game, idiot, its your opinion, thereby its subjective by its very nature. You can't go, the game is rubbish, that's what I subjectively think, objectively, I know its great. You're out to lunch.

You want to argue both sides of a debate. You want to argue that enough subjective opinions make for an objective analysis. It doesn't. You wouldv'e done well back in the dark ages, where everybody believed the world to be flat. Millions upon millions of people believed the world to be flat. According to your pathetic reasoning, if enough people believe something to be the case, it becomes objective. Sorry, that doesn't make it so. The world isn't flat, only your head is.

The thing that you're missing from this debate is the following, and that is, if the game isn't on a console you own, its rubbish, you've demonstrated time and time again your disdain for games on platforms you don't currently own. You have an irrational hatred of games on the other platforms because you're an insecure putz who thinks with his dick.

And I'm not hearing squat from you, COWARD, about going on an xbox board and proclaiming the greatnesss of Halo 2.

You're an egotistical ass of the highest order, you're going to show the difference between xbots and milkdrinkers. Wow. That's what makes you so sad, you think something as simple as a console choice is tied to your self worth and your self esteem. You're delusional, you actually think that your choice of the 360 somehow makes you a better human being. You're like a rabid dog that needs to be put down. Instead you act like you're a superior human being, I TMG, will lead the way for humanity, with my superior xbox intellect and reasoning, ROFLMAO!

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Just crawl back under that rock you came from, you slimy, hypocritical, double talking piece of garbage. If your opinion of a game is that its an overrated POS, then you can't believe its a great game. That's a delusional thought process you're describing. It's not a matter of you SUBJECTIVELY hatiing the game, idiot, its your opinion, thereby its subjective by its very nature. You can't go, the game is rubbish, that's what I subjectively think, objectively, I know its great. You're out to lunch.

You want to argue both sides of a debate. You want to argue that enough subjective opinions make for an objective analysis. It doesn't. You wouldv'e done well back in the dark ages, where everybody believed the world to be flat. Millions upon millions of people believed the world to be flat. According to your pathetic reasoning, if enough people believe something to be the case, it becomes objective. Sorry, that doesn't make it so. The world isn't flat, only your head is.

The thing that you're missing from this debate is the following, and that is, if the game isn't on a console you own, its rubbish, you've demonstrated time and time again your disdain for games on platforms you don't currently own. You have an irrational hatred of games on the other platforms because you're an insecure putz who thinks with his dick.

And I'm not hearing squat from you, COWARD, about going on an xbox board and proclaiming the greatnesss of Halo 2.

You're an egotistical ass of the highest order, you're going to show the difference between xbots and milkdrinkers. Wow. That's what makes you so sad, you think something as simple as a console choice is tied to your self worth and your self esteem. You're delusional, you actually think that your choice of the 360 somehow makes you a better human being. You're like a rabid dog that needs to be put down. Instead you act like you're a superior human being, I TMG, will lead the way for humanity, with my superior xbox intellect and reasoning, ROFLMAO!


Hey man I didn't know u had such strong feelings for me. Do I keep u awake at night Fruitcup? And does this mean I don't get a Christmas card?

Don't hurt anybody out here in digital land, Tough Guy:thumbsup:

[theWacoKid]

Hey man I didn't know u had such strong feelings for me. Do I keep u awake at night Fruitcup? And does this mean I don't get a Christmas card?

Don't hurt anybody out here in digital land, Tough Guy:thumbsup:

Yeah, you're a joke, you're good for a laugh. Did you mean those kinds of feelings?

[ilnadmy]

It's funny, TMG will debate and argue and hurl insults, but when he gets completely whipped he'll pretend like he doesn't care. What a tool.

[theWacoKid]

It's funny, TMG will debate and argue and hurl insults, but when he gets completely whipped he'll pretend like he doesn't care. What a tool.

Not funny, predictable. I remember seeing F Lee Baily interviewed one time, the famous trail attorney. He was asked how closely tv lawyer shows were like real life where the tv attorney would catch someone in a lie and they would break down and confess. F Lee said that was basically a crock, he would catch a witness lying or contradicting themselves a hundred times and they would still keep on with the same lies and contradictions. That's TMG. no matter how many lies or contradictions you catch em in, he'll just go right on with his bs, like nothing happened.

And just like with those witnesses, your credibility goes right into the toilet.

[Ludicrum]

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[ilnadmy]

I just tested the PvP system in Outside, and it's very robust. I stuck a plastic fork in a girl's eye and she reacted realistically.

[Jyoharl]

I'm going to need a new computer to make "outside" run at 60FPS. :p

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Look TMG, I didn't play Halo with the idea of "I want to hate this game." What's the point? I bought an Xbox and got Halo, why would I want to hate the game? I just didn't enjoy it, having been spoiled by PC shooters. A large number of PC gamers thought Halo was disappointing. If I had never played PC FPS games before, I probably would have loved it. However, given that I've played so many better FPS games on the PC, I couldn't help but be disappointed. Hell, I even gave Halo 2 a chance, but I just couldn't bring myself to finish it. It's not like I was TRYING to hate the game!

Well I was spoiled by FPS too. I bought Halo day 1 of XBOX's life and felt it WHOOPED any PC shooter out that year and prior. I think that was the general consensus back then too. There wasn't a PC shooter better than Halo when Halo launched.

So, there u have it, two PC gamers back then who bought Halo on day 1 of XBOX's life. Or did u buy Halo a year or two or three later in the life of XBOX?

Either way, I was a PC gamer, who was still PC gaming at that point in time, and there was no FPS then better than Halo. So once again two PC gamers with opposite opinions, mine agrees with the legacy Halo went on to establish yours doesn't. We can do this a million ways, it doesn't matter, you don't understand your opinion only matters to you.

I was in EB Games a few days ago buying DDR for 360. The sales clerks were pushing Bioshock, telling people how great it was, and REFERENCING the 10 rating it got from G.I. saying it was the first time ever a game got a 10. There were two people asking about the game, BOTH of them bought it after the clerks hyped it up. Do u think anybody cares that haterz here or really any where think the game is overrated or do you think that the ratings and sales numbers are what have a direct impact on a game? Let me give a clue, yet again, if the haterz opinion is overwhelmed by other gamers tremendous support, along with great ratings, hating is meaningless.

You act as if 90% of the people who played Halo felt like you do. If they did word of mouth wouldn't have spread like wildfire. If their feelings were rushed, due to hype and hysteria, and if the sequel was WORSE then there is no way it would have been more successful than the original. Use common sense, u are in the voiceless minority.

Oh and on top of that, after I bought DDR the clerks asked me, "do you have your copy of Halo3 reserved?" Hmm funny how they weren't asking me if I had my copy of ANY other game releasing next week reserved.

I'm not trying to get you to change your opinion of Halo, I could careless how you felt about the game, I'm just trying to get you to understand your opinion doesn't mean shiz. And yes, just like my opinion of Wii for that matter. The difference is Halo3 is an ends to a means, for the Wii it will be judged by its games over the long course of time, not just a current snapshot. And my outlook is that in the long run Wii will dry up due to poor 3rd party support, no console can win without adequate 3rd party support.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Not funny, predictable. I remember seeing F Lee Baily interviewed one time, the famous trail attorney. He was asked how closely tv lawyer shows were like real life where the tv attorney would catch someone in a lie and they would break down and confess. F Lee said that was basically a crock, he would catch a witness lying or contradicting themselves a hundred times and they would still keep on with the same lies and contradictions. That's TMG. no matter how many lies or contradictions you catch em in, he'll just go right on with his bs, like nothing happened.

And just like with those witnesses, your credibility goes right into the toilet.

My lies? What have I lied about? And insults, who is the one here getting upset? If giving my opinion about Halo is a lie, as well as stating the game earned darn near unanimous critical respect, as well as selling phenom numbers, if all that is lies, then yeah I guess i'm full of B.S.

I think anyone reading this record can see who is full of B.S. lies, contradictions, and anger. I know when my opinion goes against the grain, nothing i've ever said about games like Metal Gear and Gran Turismo has changed anyone's opinions in the PS2 universe, but you idiots think your silly criticisms matter to a game more successful than either of those? I think of the three of us you two have the bigger egos and think you are important, for some reason.:idea:

[ilnadmy]

Well I was spoiled by FPS too. I bought Halo day 1 of XBOX's life and felt it WHOOPED any PC shooter out that year and prior. I think that was the general consensus back then too. There wasn't a PC shooter better than Halo when Halo launched.

I was planning on reading your entire post and responding to it intelligently, but I stopped reading after this. Literally. I'm not trying to be cute. I stopped reading after this part. You're an idiot.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

I was planning on reading your entire post and responding to it intelligently, but I stopped reading after this. Literally. I'm not trying to be cute. I stopped reading after this part. You're an idiot.

I think u stopped reading because you agree. U know there wasn't another shooter as good Halo on the PC when Halo was released and u damn well know there wasn't a console shooter as good as Halo. Oh wait lemme guess Golden Eye and NOLF?