I'll take Lair, Heavenly Sword, and Warhawk over Bioshock anyday!

[Gamer88]

I've played two of these three games, and seen enough of the other to know that they all have high production values, and all deserve at least a little more praise then they seem to be getting by the general public. It seems to me that Bioshock is completely overrated, and microsoft is just riding that hype to sail right over three amazing PS3 games, ie, Lair Heavenly Sword, and Warhawk.

Now, for Heavenly Sword, I have only played the demo, which is more than enough for me to decide to purchase the full game. It is definatly going to be a good title, and I think EGM for once scored a game fairly in giving it 8's and 9's.

As for Warhawk, me and my friends put a lot of time into this game yesterday. You can play with 4 people on the same tv online, and its free, and you can actually PICK YOUR #$%#$% SERVERS unlike the atrocious Halo2's find a match system which pissed me off to no end. Now, I play a lot of Battlefield 2142, and this game is definatly a helluva lot simplier than 2142 in the weapon variety and gameplay. With the exception of the amazing Air combat, which I don't think any game (except crimson skies) can currently beat. Regardless, this is a easy game to pick up with some friends and play on a regular basis. It is incredibly fun, and definatly has a lot of replay value. I didn't get single player in my battlefield, and I sure as hell didn't care about single player for my warhawk (I would have taken it of course, but honestly, I doubt I would play it, because online is what games like this are about)

Now, as for Lair, one of our own VGR regulars has mentioned that if you plug in a non motion sensor controller the controls default to analog....WOW!, well there goes the 5 effin point deductions this game got because of controls! I got a third party controller, and I will gladly enjoy a high production value game with amazing visuals and combat on my third party controller, and hell, even the SixAxis probably isn't half as bad as reviewers *****ed about, but then again, when your so dedicated to a console that fails on you multiple times I guess you get pretty aggravated and have to take your anger out somewhere.

Bioshock is a amazing game, possibly more fun than any of these three on there own, but after playing it for two hours last night, I can't honestly say that I would rather be playing bioshock by myself when I could be having far more fun playing warhawk with 3 friends. All you xbots that act like Bioshock is the second coming of Christ (Come on now, Christ has returned in game form for the 3rd time now, once with Halo, Twice with Halo 2, and now for the third time with Bioshock, are you guys going to commit ritualistic suicide to honor Halo 3 when it comes out you fanatical bastards?) but it's not, Bioshock is a excellent shooter, but that doesn't mean that Sony's big Three are complete pushovers.

If you would honestly be playing Bioshock than Lair, Heavenly Sword, and Warhawk, then you obviously haven't even attempted to play even one of the three games im comparing to Bioshock. Gamer from 78, you say we owe it to ourselves to play bioshock, well I did, and found myself enjoying a great game, but you owe it to yourself to try out Warhawk, because I found myself enjoying that great game far more.

[Mochan]

Whoa big surprise post! You got the balls 88 to go against the Bioshock hype machine! Bravo!

While Bioshock is a brilliant game, it is frankly also a massively over-hyped game, and I'm not surprised to hear some love for the other strong games out or coming out that can legitimately contend with it.

I'm personally not very interrsted in Warhawk but I've already professed great interest for Lair and Heaven Sword. And Metroid Prime 3 for that matter.

[Wan-Fu]

If you would honestly be playing Bioshock than Lair, Heavenly Sword, and Warhawk, then you obviously haven't even attempted to play even one of the three games im comparing to Bioshock. Gamer from 78, you say we owe it to ourselves to play bioshock, well I did, and found myself enjoying a great game, but you owe it to yourself to try out Warhawk, because I found myself enjoying that great game far more.

The atmosphere and graphics in Bioshock are at the apex of video game art. I have never seen a game with more convincing style. So much so, that I found myself angry that I even had to start shooting stuff. I was walking around as if I was in a museum, admiring all the beutiful art, and trying to interpret the visual and auditory information vis-a-vis the tenets of objectivism. I haven't had time to read Ayn Rand's novels, but I surely will. This is the first game in a long time where I have been trying to divine what the devs are trying to tell me about American society-- I also did that with Dead Rising, which had an overtly "anti-american" ethos.

This video game is also better than any movie I've seen in quite a while, and while NO game is perfect and every game has problems, Bioshock exists outside the pale of system wars and belongs to us gamers as a fine example of where the medium should be headed. I have a 7.1 system, and even though the two rear channels are "matrixed" by dolby iix, the sound is out of this world spectacular. Simply put, games like Bioshock are why I even bother with videogames anymore.

I know the temptation to mark this as a "victory" for the 360 is strong, as is the temptation to salvage some respect for Sony's big three fall games which have so far failed to produce AAA scores. But, I submit that this game be removed from system wars. I know Warhawk, HS, Lair provide a lot of great fun for those interested, but Bioshock is an instant classic and may remain the highest ated game of this generation-- Screw what console it's on. Those other games (like many 360 games soon to be released) will be forgotten relatively quickly. Bioshock is a masterpiece.

I can't stand the regenerating enemies. That is my greatest problem with the gameplay itself.

[Mochan]

I thought the regenerating enemies were good. Hey, if you can regenerate a gazillion times why not the enemy.

Of note, there are two other games preceding Bioshock that used the same motif as Bioshock to ridicule society, namely Fallout & Arcanum.

I personally don't see Bioshock as some artsy fartcy social commentary but whatever floats your boat.

I don't see it as a triumph for the 360 either, considering it's multiplat. It's System Wars fodder for me even if it is favorable for the 360.

[slade]

Now, as for Lair, one of our own VGR regulars has mentioned that if you plug in a non motion sensor controller the controls default to analog....WOW!, well there goes the 5 effin point deductions this game got because of controls!

Actually, there are some things you can't do via analogue that you could with the sixaxis such as landing on the ground, 180 turns and some other stuff.

[thechieflives]

Milkdrinkers are so funny. " Bioshock is overrated " , Bioshock is an awsome game that deserves the high 9 and 10 rankings in received. They are so up Sony's arse that they still believe that Lair and Warhawk are better games. This is the funniest stuff I have heard in a long time.

Bioshock is only on PC and Xbox 360 not very multiplat. is it.

[Gamer88]

Milkdrinkers are so funny. " Bioshock is overrated " , Bioshock is an awsome game that deserves the high 9 and 10 rankings in received. They are so up Sony's arse that they still believe that Lair and Warhawk are better games. This is the funniest stuff I have heard in a long time.

Bioshock is only on PC and Xbox 360 not very multiplat. is it.

If able, why not get the best of both worlds? I've played both, and im telling you, I have gotten far more enjoyment out of ONE game, and that is warhawk, which I will likely own for years, so I'd much rather play the much more fun warhawk + lair and heavenly sword to compliment it.

Regardless, I still want to play more of Bioshock, and eventually beat it, it is a sweet game, I can't deny that....but I also can't deny the fact that the game is worth about 20 hours tops of gameplay while a game like warhawk can be played for hours beyond that with friends.

You xbots always debating games, and thats what I am doing.

[Gamer88]

Actually, there are some things you can't do via analogue that you could with the sixaxis such as landing on the ground, 180 turns and some other stuff.

Which do you prefer?

[folken001]

I don't know about the rest of you but I don't enjoy Bioshock very much. I probably would play both Bioshock and Warhawk equally if I had them both. While Warhawk is not a bad game by any mean, but not having a main storyline is always a minus to me. If Warhawk had a single player campaign, it's really bibi bioshock. 1. I am not a huge fan of FPS. So, unlike Wan-Fu, if bioshock is all videogaming has left, then I'd be gone from gaming a long time ago. Every game has its fan. It's like some people just think Halo is the best game of the world. 2. It looks like a lot of Japanese developers have been adapting to western cultures. But, then western developers just stick with being western to no end. Bioshock is just another example.

[Shinjifei]

:aureola: Whoa big surprise post! You got the balls 88 to go against the Bioshock hype machine! Bravo!

While Bioshock is a brilliant game, it is frankly also a massively over-hyped game, and I'm not surprised to hear some love for the other strong games out or coming out that can legitimately contend with it.

I'm personally not very interrsted in Warhawk but I've already professed great interest for Lair and Heaven Sword. And Metroid Prime 3 for that matter.


http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/lair/review.html?sid=6178017&tag=topslot;title;1&om_act=convert&om_clk=topslot

- Gamespots score a freaking 4.5 -LAIR

How can a "brilliant game" game be over-hyped???!!!!???!!! The problem with the game industry right now is games that suck ie LAIR get too much hype, and then when a game that might be the best game in the last 10 years, it has too much hype...

[Gamer88]

Whoa big surprise post! You got the balls 88 to go against the Bioshock hype machine! Bravo!

While Bioshock is a brilliant game, it is frankly also a massively over-hyped game, and I'm not surprised to hear some love for the other strong games out or coming out that can legitimately contend with it.

I'm personally not very interrsted in Warhawk but I've already professed great interest for Lair and Heaven Sword. And Metroid Prime 3 for that matter.

Well, recently I started to actually buy into the xbot's rants and start to seriously consider selling my PS3 because I was done with the darkness, done with resistance, and I played all my demo's to death, so I was basically bored with the console.

and then Lair and Warhawk come out, and the xbots on this bored can't help but make thread after thread of anti-ps3 posts to bash these games, which was even more depressing, because it sucked knowing that the only games I was looking forward to supposedly sucked.

Well, now that I have played warhawk, I know that it is a very high quality title with some damn good replay value and a must-have for any PS3 owner. To me, the PS3 has now ascended beyond the xbox, because I honestly can think of nothing but Bioshock that I want to play for it.

Gears of War? Who the hell still plays this game? I've beaten it three times now, and my cousin is selling his 360 finally (before the damn thing red-rings), so that will be the last I play that game, and I don't really care, because its just boring now. As for Halo 2, well, I play that on xbox on LAN, so I don't care about that (Funny, how one of the 360's most played titles is a xbox game....hahahaha). Other than that, what else is there? A inferior version of oblivion? Bioshock is the only game on that console worth playing right now, and even that doesn't compare to the quality of PS3 titles out right now.

But!, that is my own personal interest. I really hope I get a flood of hate-posts because of this, because I know there is more to play on the console then GoW, it's just nothing else seems very entertaining.

[folken001]

:aureola:


http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/lair/review.html?sid=6178017&tag=topslot;title;1&om_act=convert&om_clk=topslot

- Gamespots score a freaking 4.5 -LAIR

How can a "brilliant game" game be over-hyped???!!!!???!!! The problem with the game industry right now is games that suck ie LAIR get too much hype, and then when a game that might be the best game in the last 10 years, it has too much hype...
He was talkign about bioshock...not lair....

[Mochan]

Regardless, I still want to play more of Bioshock, and eventually beat it, it is a sweet game, I can't deny that....but I also can't deny the fact that the game is worth about 20 hours tops of gameplay while a game like warhawk can be played for hours beyond that with friends.



The funny thing is we had XBots dumping on Metroid Prime 3 because it didn't have multiplayer, and how Halo 3 was leagues better because you could play it over and over online.

Now we have Warhawk which lets you play over and over online and yet it gets dumped on unlike Bioshock which has no online.

Typical XBot Double Standards.


BTW, Multiplat - available on more than one system. PC and 360 = more than one system. So shove it chief.

[folken001]

BTW, Multiplat - available on more than one system. PC and 360 = more than one system. So shove it chief.

YEaH SHOVE IT CHIEF!

[Mochan]

- Gamespots score a freaking 4.5 -LAIR
How can a "brilliant game" game be over-hyped???!!!!???!!! The problem with the game industry right now is games that suck ie LAIR get too much hype, and then when a game that might be the best game in the last 10 years, it has too much hype...


Bioshock is overhyped, get over it. All of you people are talking as if it's the best thing since sliced bread. It's NOT all that, it's not perfect. And I would hazard there are other games in the past 10 years on the same level if not better.

Believe me, I had high expectations for the game -- had them way before any XBot even knew about Bioshock -- but after playing it it's not all that.

[Shinjifei]

He was talkign about bioshock...not lair....

I know, I said that LAIR was an over hyped game that didnt deserve it. And Bioshock deserves all the hyped it has gotten.

[Gamer88]

:aureola:


http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/lair/review.html?sid=6178017&tag=topslot;title;1&om_act=convert&om_clk=topslot

- Gamespots score a freaking 4.5 -LAIR

How can a "brilliant game" game be over-hyped???!!!!???!!! The problem with the game industry right now is games that suck ie LAIR get too much hype, and then when a game that might be the best game in the last 10 years, it has too much hype...

I was surprised my gamespots review, because I normally trust them a lot. When I play this game extensively, maybe I will agree with them, but as it stands, even in their own effin review they pretty much praise every aspect of the game minus it's controls. Well, if they can't handle the controls, maybe I can, and then I basically have a sweet game.

Plenty of brilliant games are over hyped. I thought half-life, and halo were both brilliant games...but I also thought they were over-hyped. When people can't even fathom the possibility of a game being better or as much fun as the game they are hyping (in this case Bioshock) that means that they probably are a little too excited about it and need to stop, and realize that they can think independently, and that their own capability to enjoy a game is completely subjective and not reliant on the opinions of a bunch of *******s paid to review videogames.

[Cuddly Knife]

The funny thing is we had XBots dumping on Metroid Prime 3 because it didn't have multiplayer, and how Halo 3 was leagues better because you could play it over and over online.

Now we have Warhawk which lets you play over and over online

Don't you see? Halo 3 will have an excellent single-player, and a top-notch multi-player. None of the other games has both. It's either one or the other. And it's the same ways for how the other component got dropped. Corruptions multi got dropped to focus on single-player, and Warhawks single got dropped because it was half-assed and so they could focus on creating a solid multi-player experience. There were really only little rumblings about Corruption having multi-player, but Warhawk was supposed to have single. Halo 3 multi-player is also not just more of the same. They are evolving and innovating with shared match(single-player and Online) replays, and Forge.

[Gamer88]

I know, I said that LAIR was an over hyped game that didnt deserve it. And Bioshock deserves all the hyped it has gotten.

First of all, you can't really complain about the hype lair has gotten because for the hype it has gotten is has been bashed ten-fold from the same people. As for Bioshock, people make it sound like the best game ever...and yet...after playing it...it most certainly isn't.

[Shinjifei]

Bioshock is overhyped, get over it. All of you people are talking as if it's the best thing since sliced bread. It's NOT all that, it's not perfect. And I would hazard there are other games in the past 10 years on the same level if not better.

Believe me, I had high expectations for the game -- had them way before any XBot even knew about Bioshock -- but after playing it it's not all that.

Dude Mochan you are a Fanboy on the level of TMG and LW. Anything thats good on xbox all of a sudden its not that good.

Whats better in the last 10 years???

This game is the best game since halflife 1, get over it...

And since everyone has there own opinion on whats good. the next best thing is to do is to look at the industries review scores are and Bioshock is the **** hand down...

[Cuddly Knife]

you can't really complain about the hype lair has gotten because for the hype it has gotten is has been bashed ten-fold from the same people.

As for Bioshock, people make it sound like the best game ever...and yet...after playing it...it most certainly isn't.
But to those who said it was gonna be the best game ever, it is. Isn't that a good thing? At least, better than Lair and its rise and fall?

[Mochan]

I know, I said that LAIR was an over hyped game that didnt deserve it. And Bioshock deserves all the hyped it has gotten.

Dude, when you have someone saying a game has transcended this mortal coil and is beyond worldly discussion, that it is the apex of art and is a museum where god forbid actually playing it is staining its beauty, you know it's overhyped.

[Gamer88]

Dude Mochan you are a Fanboy on the level of TMG and LW. Anything thats good on xbox all of a sudden its not that good.

Whats better in the last 10 years???

This game is the best game since halflife 1, get over it...

And since everyone has there own opinion on whats good. the next best thing is to do is to look at the industries review scores are and Bioshock is the **** hand down...

Okay, so basically what your saying is that since everyone has there own opinions of what is good, the best thing we can do is look to another person's opinion of what is good, and just assume his opinion is somehow more valid and important than everyone elses, and then base our purchases and hype on that. Screw that, I can still think, and I won't let all the hype make my decision for me.

oh yeah, and btw, by your own ways of judging games....

GAMERANKINGS...

Metroid Prime 96.3% Reviewed by 93 sources

Bioshock 95.9% Reviewed by 57 sources

Well, since everyone has there own opinion and all, I guess we better look to the "industry" and they say that Metroid is better, and last I checked it came out sooner than 10 years ago, making you wrong, and Metroid the better game...

jesus...Folken, Mochan, basically half of VGR, I now think I can completely understand why xbots have always frustrated you so much...

because it's one thing to be wrong by our logic, but another for them to be wrong by their own as well

[Mochan]

Dude Mochan you are a Fanboy on the level of TMG and LW. Anything thats good on xbox all of a sudden its not that good.

Whats better in the last 10 years???

This game is the best game since halflife 1, get over it...

And since everyone has there own opinion on whats good. the next best thing is to do is to look at the industries review scores are and Bioshock is the **** hand down...

LOL how does that make me a fanboy? Don't get your pants all crimped just because I dissed your favorite game.

The only fanboy I am seeing here is you. At the very least have the decency of calling me an anti-fanboy because I am in no way or shape hyping or loving something to the extent that I am beyond reason. That's more like you with regards to Bioshock.

And Half Life 1 sucked ass by the way.

BTW Call fo Duty 2 was on the XBox 360 and that was an amazing game.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Its funny to hear someone saying Bioshock is overhyped and then say the PS3 and its games need more attention. LMAO!!! Oh that's funny, tryin' to be a comedian?

PS3 games have been hyped for years! Hype then delay, rinse and repeat. We've had to hear for damn near a solid year how when these particular games would release they were going to destroy the 360. Now they arrive and instead of destroying 360, people need to "stop being so hard on these games and give them a chance." Oh stop beggin' these games were over hyped to DEATH and people were expecting something huge because of it. And i'll tell u what, KZ2 and MGS4 better be pretty damn special because these are the most hyped games in recent history.

As for Bioshock I was just playing this game a few hours ago. Its one of those games that you hate to see the end coming. Its a really great and intense single player experiene. Its a really smart game in so many ways. There are dozens of ways to play the game and no two people will play the same. Heck, I don't even play it the same way from session to session. And I'm so embarrassed about how much I sucked at the beginning, it makes me want to start all over to get some revenge!!

To me though Bioshock is just an example of a game that isn't the best shooter, doesn't have the best graphics, doesn't even have the best control, but it is just a great game to play. Some of the things I don't like about the game include the control. I find the movement a little clunkly, often in fighting i get caught up on things, and i feel like my character is 300 pounds and 6 feet wide.

I would like a little bit more variety with respect to enemies. Basically you have splicers and bouncers and that's about it. I suppose you could count the bots and cameras, but I don't. It would also be nice to have a few NPCs, I mean is everybody spliced? I just feel like for such a smart game, and such a huge underwater city, some normal people should exist.

The combat seems somewhat unbalanced too. A a machine gun does very little damage but if I TK someone with a trashcan it kills them instantly. For a game with so many shotguns and machine guns lying around, how come the enemies never use anything except a pistol? How come the only plasmids they seem to be equipped with is fire?

Anyway, it seems like i'm killing the game or hate it, but that's not the case. Probably 3/4ths of the way through i'd give the game a solid 8.5. But I judge games probably a little harsher than most people so take that with a grain of salt. I think the combat and fighting isn't up to the level of games like GOW and R6. I think fighting a Big Daddy is a rush, but it does get kinda old especially compared to the variety of skirmishes in other 360 shooters. I think Gears overall is a better game. Bioshock is a smarter game and with a little bit more variety and things to do and some different types of enemies it coulda been one for the ages. The graphics are one hand astonishing and on the other kinda average. Big Daddies are beautifully rendered, they burn and take incremental damage, and whatever you do to it, if u come back it maintains that same level of degradation, but on the otherhand the splicers look average. And u get that up and down quality throughout the whole game.

It is hard for me to say the game is overrated or overhyped though. I think it is so highly rated because it so unlike any recent shooter, but I do think 96% is very very high for this game.

[Mochan]

For the record, the normal people do exist... they just either die as you see them, or you don't ever meet them. Oh my gosh I'll do anything for you Atlas! Ugh. This should come as no surprise though System Shock 2 was exactly the same, like I said Ken Levine and his team like to build tension and fear by isolating you from the rest of civilization (and leave unbelievably contrived audio logs for you to listen to instead). I'm only two hours into the game and I already know that it's hopeless to actually think I'm going to meet an NPC in this game.

As for the game not being like any other shooter in recent memory, well that is true but also not true at the same time. For instance, the game shares many similarities in gameplay mechanics with Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, though not necessarly in presentation and subject matter.

The gameplay is not the best, it's still a solid game. But there are holes in the presentation and setting, the action while intense is not on par with better shooters, graphics can be amazing yet mediocre at times, etc.

I agree with all your points actually (and that even counts the PS3 game overhype deal). Now how's that for a rare occasion!

[folken001]

Since you are Giroro and I am Keroro. Does that make me superior?

[Tappy_Tibbons]

Now that the PS3 has 3 more 7-8/10 1st party titles to brag about...notice the Sony milk drinkers are becoming increasingly rabid.

How about this...

Lair sucks because it is a pathetic bastard child of Panzer Dragoon and Lord of the Rings with crap control that proves the 6-axis will NEVER conquer the Wii-mote. Sony fangirls will direct you to a video of it then call you blind for comparing it to PD...they must be too young to understand what copy-catting is.

Warhawk will be smote by Halo 3. Need I say more? Ok, so it's to PS3 what Shadowrun is to 360...a good game that will be ignored by most people because it is A. Overpriced B. Underpowered with hardly any content C. No multiplayer. Not that it's all bad...but still outclassed. Crimson Skies for Xbox is a better flying combat title and the ground combat is tacked on garbage.

Heavenly Sword is the "me-too" game of the decade...outside of maybe Haze. The lead heroine looks like a baboon in the face, the story is lame, and it's just been done to death since Double Dragon. The beat-em-up genre is dead. It killed itself by not evolving enough over the years.

[Gamer From '78]

I've played two of these three games, and seen enough of the other to know that they all have high production values, and all deserve at least a little more praise then they seem to be getting by the general public. It seems to me that Bioshock is completely overrated, and microsoft is just riding that hype to sail right over three amazing PS3 games, ie, Lair Heavenly Sword, and Warhawk.

Now, for Heavenly Sword, I have only played the demo, which is more than enough for me to decide to purchase the full game. It is definatly going to be a good title, and I think EGM for once scored a game fairly in giving it 8's and 9's.

As for Warhawk, me and my friends put a lot of time into this game yesterday. You can play with 4 people on the same tv online, and its free, and you can actually PICK YOUR #$%#$% SERVERS unlike the atrocious Halo2's find a match system which pissed me off to no end. Now, I play a lot of Battlefield 2142, and this game is definatly a helluva lot simplier than 2142 in the weapon variety and gameplay. With the exception of the amazing Air combat, which I don't think any game (except crimson skies) can currently beat. Regardless, this is a easy game to pick up with some friends and play on a regular basis. It is incredibly fun, and definatly has a lot of replay value. I didn't get single player in my battlefield, and I sure as hell didn't care about single player for my warhawk (I would have taken it of course, but honestly, I doubt I would play it, because online is what games like this are about)

Now, as for Lair, one of our own VGR regulars has mentioned that if you plug in a non motion sensor controller the controls default to analog....WOW!, well there goes the 5 effin point deductions this game got because of controls! I got a third party controller, and I will gladly enjoy a high production value game with amazing visuals and combat on my third party controller, and hell, even the SixAxis probably isn't half as bad as reviewers *****ed about, but then again, when your so dedicated to a console that fails on you multiple times I guess you get pretty aggravated and have to take your anger out somewhere.

Bioshock is a amazing game, possibly more fun than any of these three on there own, but after playing it for two hours last night, I can't honestly say that I would rather be playing bioshock by myself when I could be having far more fun playing warhawk with 3 friends. All you xbots that act like Bioshock is the second coming of Christ (Come on now, Christ has returned in game form for the 3rd time now, once with Halo, Twice with Halo 2, and now for the third time with Bioshock, are you guys going to commit ritualistic suicide to honor Halo 3 when it comes out you fanatical bastards?) but it's not, Bioshock is a excellent shooter, but that doesn't mean that Sony's big Three are complete pushovers.

If you would honestly be playing Bioshock than Lair, Heavenly Sword, and Warhawk, then you obviously haven't even attempted to play even one of the three games im comparing to Bioshock. Gamer from 78, you say we owe it to ourselves to play bioshock, well I did, and found myself enjoying a great game, but you owe it to yourself to try out Warhawk, because I found myself enjoying that great game far more.

Well, Sony left me in the dark with Warhawk when they went online-only for it. My broadband connection here is through satellite so gaming like this is a no-go. Lair is crap. Whether you can plug a generic controller in and take away the motion controls is regardless. A) I don't believe it and B) You are investing another $20 or so to play a mediocre game at best. Heavenly Sword is a beat-em-up that while probably fun, isn't worth the $60 price-tag. If Sony bundles in REAL controllers with actual force-feedback and Heavenly Sword and Resistance drop to $40 each or so, then I will pick them up. As it stands now, I can't bring myself to spend $500+ for a system loaded with sh!t games.

Sony's big three? See above. How you can even count Lair in that group and keep a straight face is beyond me. Xbots can brag on Bioshock because when it has a #4 all-time place in the Gamerankings higherarchy and both EGM and GameInformer score it 100%, that means it's a good game. :thumbsup:

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Mochan hates another great game. What a surprise.

Folken back on the I don't really like FPS Kick despite the fact he played through R:FOM 3 times. And plays Battlefield online.

Gamer88 makes me sad for the future Damn teenagers are dumb.

Bioshock is great this thread is Fail.

[folken001]

Mochan hates another great game. What a surprise.

Folken back on the I don't really like FPS Kick despite the fact he played through R:FOM 3 times. And plays Battlefield online.

Gamer88 makes me sad for the future Damn teenagers are dumb.

Bioshock is great this thread is Fail.
I don't mind Tactical shooter. I've said that too many times. Oh darn, I played a good amount of Halo 1 too. And so~~~~? Bioshock might be a decent game. I never said it wasn't. But, will it make me go out and buy myself a 360? Not really. I don't even think I will bother with it on PC.

Gamer88 is getting a lot of heat from xbots because he told the truth. How shocking.

You guys will jump any bandwagon just because the fact it has potential to beat PS3 for good. We will see you all moaning again about how Mass Effect is going to be the best game known to mankind in the next 10 years when it comes out. Oops, didn't you start doing that already?

[Tappy_Tibbons]

**I meant "NO SINGLE PLAYER" in my recent rant.

[Gamer From '78]

For the record, the normal people do exist... they just either die as you see them, or you don't ever meet them. Oh my gosh I'll do anything for you Atlas! Ugh. This should come as no surprise though System Shock 2 was exactly the same, like I said Ken Levine and his team like to build tension and fear by isolating you from the rest of civilization (and leave unbelievably contrived audio logs for you to listen to instead). I'm only two hours into the game and I already know that it's hopeless to actually think I'm going to meet an NPC in this game.

As for the game not being like any other shooter in recent memory, well that is true but also not true at the same time. For instance, the game shares many similarities in gameplay mechanics with Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, though not necessarly in presentation and subject matter.

The gameplay is not the best, it's still a solid game. But there are holes in the presentation and setting, the action while intense is not on par with better shooters, graphics can be amazing yet mediocre at times, etc.

I agree with all your points actually (and that even counts the PS3 game overhype deal). Now how's that for a rare occasion!

"Would you kindly" is the key to Bioshock. Unless you actually PLAY through the game, you will never understand the connection between yourself and Atlas. As far as real NPC's in the game that you meet, one very important one that will send you on over four missions alone is a big part of the game around midway. There is so much to this game that you are missing. And I don't think it's only because you are "bored" or "ugh" with the game, you are hating on it because it is a game so good that will never be on the PS3, you just can't stand it.

[folken001]

Yeah, Mochan can't stand the fact that bioshock isn't coming to ps3. It's all because he doesn't own one and he's playing it on PC right?

I laugh and laugh.

[Cuddly Knife]

Lair sucks because it is a pathetic bastard child of Panzer Dragoon and Lord of the Rings with crap control that proves the 6-axis will NEVER conquer the Wii-mote. Sony fangirls will direct you to a video of it then call you blind for comparing it to PD...they must be too young to understand what copy-catting is. Well, I call you blind for comparing PDO to Lair. Oh, I get it, it must be because they both have someone riding a dragon... what a dumb comparison. Almost as dumb as your next-next statement.

The lead heroine looks like a baboon in the face, the story is lame,
Agreed.
and it's just been done to death since Double Dragon. The beat-em-up genre is dead. It killed itself by not evolving enough over the years.
So you're saying that since DD games in this genre have not progressed? Games like Viewtiful Joe, DMC, GoW, and Ninja Gaiden have done nothing to evolve from where DD was 20 years ago? It's done more in the evolution of the genre, compared to a genre such as FPS where it's always been about point here, shoot here with the occasional add-on of dual wielding and secondary magics and what-nots. You still just point and shoot.

[ceevee]

rhetorical: how do you evolve the beat 'em up?

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Yeah, Mochan can't stand the fact that bioshock isn't coming to ps3. It's all because he doesn't own one and he's playing it on PC right?

I laugh and laugh.

Hey Goobs, glad u are enjoying Mochan playing Bioshock so much. Hows Motorstorm coming?

[folken001]

Hey Goobs, glad u are enjoying Mochan playing Bioshock so much. Hows Motorstorm coming?
I can't play racing games. It's too simple. So I leave that genre for the xbots to play.

[ilnadmy]

Now that the PS3 has 3 more 7-8/10 1st party titles to brag about...notice the Sony milk drinkers are becoming increasingly rabid.

How about this...

Lair sucks because it is a pathetic bastard child of Panzer Dragoon and Lord of the Rings with crap control that proves the 6-axis will NEVER conquer the Wii-mote. Sony fangirls will direct you to a video of it then call you blind for comparing it to PD...they must be too young to understand what copy-catting is.

Warhawk will be smote by Halo 3. Need I say more? Ok, so it's to PS3 what Shadowrun is to 360...a good game that will be ignored by most people because it is A. Overpriced B. Underpowered with hardly any content C. No multiplayer. Not that it's all bad...but still outclassed. Crimson Skies for Xbox is a better flying combat title and the ground combat is tacked on garbage.

Heavenly Sword is the "me-too" game of the decade...outside of maybe Haze. The lead heroine looks like a baboon in the face, the story is lame, and it's just been done to death since Double Dragon. The beat-em-up genre is dead. It killed itself by not evolving enough over the years.

And you haven't even played any of those games. Typical Xbot reaction. :rolleyes:

[folken001]

rhetorical: how do you evolve the beat 'em up?
rhetorical: Have you ever played God of War?

[ilnadmy]

Hey Goobs, glad u are enjoying Mochan playing Bioshock so much. Hows Motorstorm coming?

I'm playing BioShock too. :D HA!

[ThaMaskedGamer]

And you haven't even played any of those games. Typical Xbot reaction. :rolleyes:

Have you played any of those PS3 games?

[folken001]

Have you played any of those PS3 games?
Did he make comments like these?

Lair sucks because it is a pathetic bastard child of Panzer Dragoon and Lord of the Rings with crap control that proves the 6-axis will NEVER conquer the Wii-mote. Sony fangirls will direct you to a video of it then call you blind for comparing it to PD...they must be too young to understand what copy-catting is.

Warhawk will be smote by Halo 3. Need I say more? Ok, so it's to PS3 what Shadowrun is to 360...a good game that will be ignored by most people because it is A. Overpriced B. Underpowered with hardly any content C. No multiplayer. Not that it's all bad...but still outclassed. Crimson Skies for Xbox is a better flying combat title and the ground combat is tacked on garbage.

Heavenly Sword is the "me-too" game of the decade...outside of maybe Haze. The lead heroine looks like a baboon in the face, the story is lame, and it's just been done to death since Double Dragon. The beat-em-up genre is dead. It killed itself by not evolving enough over the years.

God, you are such a retard.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

I'm playing BioShock too. :D HA!

Good, that's great. But Goobs is enjoying other people play Bioshock.

[folken001]

Good, that's great. But Goobs is enjoying other people play Bioshock.
Yea that's exactly what I said.

Yeah, Mochan can't stand the fact that bioshock isn't coming to ps3. It's all because he doesn't own one and he's playing it on PC right?

where's the word, enjoy?

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Did he make comments like these?



God, you are such a retard.

U don't have to play those games to make those points. Come on, who doesn't see that Lair is a Lord of the Rings wanna be. Which I don't think is a bad thing, nothing is wrong with getting inspiration from such a great novel or movie. But I think what he is complaining about is the fact they didn't quite pull it off well.

And um I don't know why Tappy is comparing Warhawk to Halo3, maybe because they both have online matches, but it is true that Halo3 is gonna smack Warhawk around.

And it is equally true that HS is just a me-too game. Its a mashed together clone of just about everything in the genre, including God of War. Just like RFOM is a Half-life/COD hybrid.

The genesis of these games isn't as important as the fact they all kinda didn't end up being the AAA games Sony hyped them to be, so that's why people are riding them so hard.

[ilnadmy]

U don't have to play those games to make those points. Come on, who doesn't see that Lair is a Lord of the Rings wanna be. Which I don't think is a bad thing, nothing is wrong with getting inspiration from such a great novel or movie. But I think what he is complaining about is the fact they didn't quite pull it off well.

And um I don't know why Tappy is comparing Warhawk to Halo3, maybe because they both have online matches, but it is true that Halo3 is gonna smack Warhawk around.

And it is equally true that HS is just a me-too game. Its a mashed together clone of just about everything in the genre, including God of War. Just like RFOM is a Half-life/COD hybrid.

The genesis of these games isn't as important as the fact they all kinda didn't end up being the AAA games Sony hyped them to be, so that's why people are riding them so hard.

AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

First you think you can get me by saying that I never played these games and am making comments about them. When Folken owns you up, you start backpedalling by saying "O NO U DUN NEED TO PLEY DA GAEM TO MAEK DA COMMENTS!!"

GTFO dude.

[folken001]

U don't have to play those games to make those points. Come on, who doesn't see that Lair is a Lord of the Rings wanna be. Which I don't think is a bad thing, nothing is wrong with getting inspiration from such a great novel or movie. But I think what he is complaining about is the fact they didn't quite pull it off well.
So it's a wanna be? What does that mean anyway? Lair plays like LOTR the game? Not really? With that kind of thinking any medievil game can be considered LOTR-like. Funny thing is that dragon isn't really the center piece of LOTR. The fact that LOTR has almost all the mystic creatures known to men, you can play with that argument anyway you want. How's Halo not a starship trooper wanna be? What is PGR not a fast and furious wanna be? So on and so forth.

And um I don't know why Tappy is comparing Warhawk to Halo3, maybe because they both have online matches, but it is true that Halo3 is gonna smack Warhawk around.

There's a lot of things you xbots do that is unknown to man. Like right now, I don't know why you are giving us this BS. The fact you two are actually trying to make a point comparing the two games just shows how fried you brains are. Yea, WoW is so going to own Halo 3. Screw Halo 3 let's all play WoW.

And it is equally true that HS is just a me-too game. Its a mashed together clone of just about everything in the genre, including God of War. Just like RFOM is a Half-life/COD hybrid.

And that's how games are. What did you think Halo was? What did you think Gears of War is? Ever played a game called Kill Switch? The only difference between Gear of War and Kill Switch is that the main character of Kill Switch wasn't on steroid.

The genesis of these games isn't as important as the fact they all kinda didn't end up being the AAA games Sony hyped them to be, so that's why people are riding them so hard.

Is that why you people riding games like bioshock or mass effect so hard?

[ceevee]

rhetorical: Have you ever played God of War?

that's not actually rhetorical as it addresses me, heh. no.

non-rhetorical: is it out on the PC?

[ilnadmy]

that's not actually rhetorical as it addresses me, heh. no.

non-rhetorical: is it out on the PC?

Nope, PS2 exclusive. You need to play this game dude.

[ceevee]

any news of it getting ported? i'm a PC fanboy and proud of it. if you've got it flaunt it and the PC's got it in bundles. usually whatever the consoles have, there's about a half dozen equivalents (excluding Japanese RPGs and blinkin WWF variants)

as an example, Halo's been thrashed about by both for and against camps and all i say is, 'meh! fetch me another FPS'

i could be utterly wrong.. but then i'm a fanboy and seriously proud of it

[ilnadmy]

Nah, it's not coming to PC. God of War is a PlayStation-only franchise.

[Mochan]

Mochan hates another great game. What a surprise.

You sir are Idiot #1: I never said I hated the game.

"Would you kindly" is the key to Bioshock. Unless you actually PLAY through the game, you will never understand the connection between yourself and Atlas. As far as real NPC's in the game that you meet, one very important one that will send you on over four missions alone is a big part of the game around midway. There is so much to this game that you are missing. And I don't think it's only because you are "bored" or "ugh" with the game, you are hating on it because it is a game so good that will never be on the PS3, you just can't stand it.

Idiot #2, so many idiots in this thread, I don't even have nor care to have a PS3, for at least another 2 years. I've gone on record saying my next console purchase will be a Wii. I *already* have the effing game on my PC why the hell would I want it on the PS3 where I would have to use analogue sticks to control a shooter?

When I have EXPRESSLY said that I will NEVER play an FPS with a gamepad.

This is just more typical 78 PS3 bashing crap spewing. Sucks to be an moron like you.





And it is equally true that HS is just a me-too game. Its a mashed together clone of just about everything in the genre, including God of War. Just like RFOM is a Half-life/COD hybrid.

I could easily say that Bioshock is a System Shock 2/Arcanum hybrid. Would that make it a worse game?

[Gamer88]

Now that the PS3 has 3 more 7-8/10 1st party titles to brag about...notice the Sony milk drinkers are becoming increasingly rabid.

How about this...

the PS3 could have 10 AAA titles and you guys would probably still be masturbating to master chief.

Lair sucks because it is a pathetic bastard child of Panzer Dragoon and Lord of the Rings with crap control that proves the 6-axis will NEVER conquer the Wii-mote. Sony fangirls will direct you to a video of it then call you blind for comparing it to PD...they must be too young to understand what copy-catting is.

So what? The 360 will never conquer the Wii. Sixaxis does suck, but the console doesn't, because unlike the Wii the Sixaxis is completely optional

Warhawk will be smote by Halo 3. Need I say more? Ok, so it's to PS3 what Shadowrun is to 360...a good game that will be ignored by most people because it is A. Overpriced B. Underpowered with hardly any content C. No multiplayer. Not that it's all bad...but still outclassed. Crimson Skies for Xbox is a better flying combat title and the ground combat is tacked on garbage.


no multiplayer????

Crimson Skies is barely a notch above Warhawk, and the ground combat in Warhawk is actually pretty damn good FYI. Warhawk is fun, you should try it out sometime, if you ever get your head out of your ass.

Heavenly Sword is the "me-too" game of the decade...outside of maybe Haze. The lead heroine looks like a baboon in the face, the story is lame, and it's just been done to death since Double Dragon. The beat-em-up genre is dead. It killed itself by not evolving enough over the years.

****, I thought the main character was pretty attractive, but your right, she would be much more up your alley if she was wearing master chiefs armor.

[Glockstar]

As for Bioshock, people make it sound like the best game ever...and yet...after playing it...it most certainly isn't.

This game is the best game since halflife 1, get over it...

See, G88... who am I supposed to believe here? You? Shinjifei? GameRankings?

Howabout none of you.

There are others here who have said their piece about the game - folks who have voiced their opinions many times on many games - folks whom I know I can pretty much trust; whom I know share similar tastes with my own - whom I'll take on their words.

Who the frack are you?

[Wan-Fu]

Dude, when you have someone saying a game has transcended this mortal coil and is beyond worldly discussion, that it is the apex of art and is a museum where god forbid actually playing it is staining its beauty, you know it's overhyped.

Of course you missed the point of what I was saying, Mochan, which is pretty ironic. I was trying to say it is one of those games like a half-life, deus ex, GT3, etc, etc. that transcends REACTIONARY SYSTEM WARS FANBOY BLABBER, not "worldly discussion". Though it is no surprise you relate the two. I didn't buy a ps2 last gen, but I was able to enjoy some of its highly rated games (except FF and GT games) without the need to troll them, or downplay them, or feign wonder why they were so highly rated.

Hype, or hyperbole is essentially exaggeration and overstatement. In the past ten years, what games have had a better combination of graphics, storytelling, artistic direction, sound, gameplay, and overall ambience? Maybe a half-dozen-- if even that? That's rarefied air, so its no exaggeration to say this game is something that should be considered platform agnostic when it comes to discussing it-- which is why crying about lair, hs, warhawk in juxtaposition to this game is just quixotic. Those games, along with plenty of stuff on the 360 will be forgotten soon enough.

Bioshock sure doesn't do everything perfectly, (I agree with TLW's point about the pistols and machine guns, and even your point about the graphics being inconsistent), but precious few games do so many things so competently. How exactly can a game be "overhyped" when the balance of reviewers and videogame fans agree that it is indeed, an instant classic? Saying that this game really isn't that good and that the reviewers and consumers are just "falling for hype" and groupthink is just fanboy dreaming along the lines of the "Wii is just a fad crowd." I sure wish the Wii was a fad, but it isn't, and Bioshock is an instant classic that will stand the test of time.

Kind of like SOTC, its just obvious that the developers set out to create a work of art and not just a videogame, and they obviously succeeded.

And actually, I used to like point and click adventures!! I can't believe I did, and I don't know how that ever happened. When I said I was mad I had to start shooting things, the highly stylized settings reminded me of point and click/adventure games where there was no need to start aiming, blasting and hacking everything is sight. That's a big reason why I am a Silent Hill junkie--its easy to get taken in by the atmosphere and story, without having to worry about incessant gunplay, ammo counts, and grenade trajectories.

[Gadfly2317]

As to the thread's title, I don't see the need to dis on Bioshock. It looks like an extremely cool FPS--an extremely cool game. Very much looking foward to playing it someday. But the thread kinda has a point. I look at the biggie list for this fall, and the 360 crowd is listing FPS's, and Mass Effect. The 360 and the similarity in development it shares with PC is a strength, and getting these PC FPS's and games like Mass Effect are its strength. And I can totally understand how ex-PC heads like TMG see this as a great thing.

I was never a PC-head, but first an arcade gamer (because that's what there was) and then a console gamer. FPS's and the engines for them--it has long looked to me like making a good FPS is easier and more of a formula, even though there are some true standouts like Bioshock.

Two of the other three games in this thread's title are extremely ambitious and original--they fell short of perfection, but one thing I can about Lair is that Gamespot must have had a busted controller to give the game a 4.5 and call it "unplayable." Play's "9" score may have been overly generous, but Lair is absolutely playable, and its eye-meltingly beautiful with incredible sound. From what I've played so far, the gameplay is a 7-8 "good" (not great) as far as flight combat goes. And Warhawk absolutely looks like a game that would appeal to Xbot tastes, and it looks like a great game (not my cup of tea with the online-only.)

I will say Heavenly Sword really does feel like the now tiresome joke "Goddess of War" and it felt like a button masher in the demo.

Anyway, the thread's title is, I think, not quite something I could agree with. I don't know that I would take one of those titles over Bioshock were Bioshock available on a console that doesn't fall apart on 30% of its users. But I agree with its gist, which is I'll take hugely ambitious and diverse titles over a cluster of FPS games any day. I'm not saying MS isn't doing better this gen on the diversity front than it did last round with the Xbox, and its gotten better in its second year, but it is still heavily the PC-port FPS box. That's a great thing for some gamers for whom that is their favorite genre.

I like a few good shooters in my gaming diet but damn. The 360, still, if it weren't for the PC devs, wouldn't amount to much, and most of us are console gamers, not PC style gamers.

While 360 gamers are ALL looking forward to Halo 3, Ps3 gamers around here are by and large are coming up with pretty different "want" lists. 360's attempt to expand is all well and good, but with pretty much the same jock/jar-head audience as last time, things like Blue Dragon will probably fizzle alongside Kameo and Viva, and 360 devs will stick to what sells there. In the long haul, Ps3 will pick up the pace in Japan and will take 2nd place behind the Wii in every region except the USA, and it will ultimately have a more diverse and interesting game library. That's my prediction. It's how I already feel about Ps3's first 10 months vs 360's first ten months. Could be wrong, but I think that's what 88 meant by this thread's title.

[Cuddly Knife]

While 360 gamers are ALL looking forward to Halo 3, Ps3 gamers around here are by and large are coming up with pretty different "want" lists. 360's attempt to expand is all well and good, but with pretty much the same jock/jar-head audience as last time, things like Blue Dragon will probably fizzle alongside Kameo and Viva, and 360 devs will stick to what sells there. In the long haul, Ps3 will pick up the pace in Japan and will take 2nd place behind the Wii in every region except the USA, and it will ultimately have a more diverse and interesting game library. Could be wrong, but I think that's what 88 meant by this thread's title.
Not all, Gad, only the fans of Halo are looking foward to it, because it is the end of the Master Chief story arc. That's why I want to play it, anyways. And please tell me what exclusive games the PS3 has coming out this year that are so different from anything else? LBP, if it makes it out this year? Nope, because it's not gonna. The 360 has games like Eternal Sonata[sep], Kengo Legend of the 9[sep], PGR4[oct], Beautiful Katamari[oct], Ace Combat 6[oct], Virtua Fighter 5 online[oct], Viva Pinata Party Animals[oct], Scene it?[nov], and a few more. I'm sure some of those games will sell decently enough, despote being mixed in with the juggernauts like H3 and HL2 and ME.

I'll list what's supposedly coming out for the PS3 this year for you. Heavenly Sword[sep], Folklore[oct], Ratchet & Clank Future[oct], Eye of Judgement[oct], Haze[nov], Unreal 3[nov], Singstar[nov], and possibly a couple more that I missed.

Hmm, looking back at what I wrote, I guess it doesn't really have much to do with your post. D'oh well.

That's my prediction. It's how I already feel about Ps3's first 10 months vs 360's first ten months. If this is really what you think, then I'm afraid that you got some serious Sony goggles on right now, Mr. fly. Be sure not to include those multi-plats, because they're also on the 360.

[Gamer88]

As to the thread's title, I don't see the need to dis on Bioshock. It looks like an extremely cool FPS--an extremely cool game. Very much looking foward to playing it someday. But the thread kinda has a point. I look at the biggie list for this fall, and the 360 crowd is listing FPS's, and Mass Effect. The 360 and the similarity in development it shares with PC is a strength, and getting these PC FPS's and games like Mass Effect are its strength. And I can totally understand how ex-PC heads like TMG see this as a great thing.

I was never a PC-head, but first an arcade gamer (because that's what there was) and then a console gamer. FPS's and the engines for them--it has long looked to me like making a good FPS is easier and more of a formula, even though there are some true standouts like Bioshock.

Two of the other three games in this thread's title are extremely ambitious and original--they fell short of perfection, but one thing I can about Lair is that Gamespot must have had a busted controller to give the game a 4.5 and call it "unplayable." Play's "9" score may have been overly generous, but Lair is absolutely playable, and its eye-meltingly beautiful with incredible sound. From what I've played so far, the gameplay is a 7-8 "good" (not great) as far as flight combat goes. And Warhawk absolutely looks like a game that would appeal to Xbot tastes, and it looks like a great game (not my cup of tea with the online-only.)

I will say Heavenly Sword really does feel like the now tiresome joke "Goddess of War" and it felt like a button masher in the demo.

Anyway, the thread's title is, I think, not quite something I could agree with. I don't know that I would take one of those titles over Bioshock were Bioshock available on a console that doesn't fall apart on 30% of its users. But I agree with its gist, which is I'll take hugely ambitious and diverse titles over a cluster of FPS games any day. I'm not saying MS isn't doing better this gen on the diversity front than it did last round with the Xbox, and its gotten better in its second year, but it is still heavily the PC-port FPS box. That's a great thing for some gamers for whom that is their favorite genre.

I like a few good shooters in my gaming diet but damn. The 360, still, if it weren't for the PC devs, wouldn't amount to much, and most of us are console gamers, not PC style gamers.

While 360 gamers are ALL looking forward to Halo 3, Ps3 gamers around here are by and large are coming up with pretty different "want" lists. 360's attempt to expand is all well and good, but with pretty much the same jock/jar-head audience as last time, things like Blue Dragon will probably fizzle alongside Kameo and Viva, and 360 devs will stick to what sells there. In the long haul, Ps3 will pick up the pace in Japan and will take 2nd place behind the Wii in every region except the USA, and it will ultimately have a more diverse and interesting game library. That's my prediction. It's how I already feel about Ps3's first 10 months vs 360's first ten months. Could be wrong, but I think that's what 88 meant by this thread's title.

I do think the game is overrated, from what little I have played it, especially considering it's overall game time is basically matching the length of HS (presumably) , which is criticized heavily here for it's shortness.

Basically yeah you got what I was trying to say right. I was expecting to get critized by xbots for the title of my thread, because it says that I would rather have three games than one (basically something to the effect of "WOW! it takes THREE Games to equal BIOSHOCK, LAME!). I would probably still take any one of these games over bioshock right now because I am so burnt out on FPS's (unless it is battlefield or warhawk because I am playing with others on the internet...and warhawk is 3rd person). As I said before in another thread, I am really sick of FPS's. That seems to be the only thing I have been playing recently. I mean look at all the great games this generation that are Shooters (I don't care if its third or first, they still are shooters and get old)

Gears of War
The Darkness
GRAW
Bioshock
RFOM
Rainbow 6 Vegas
Call of Duty 2

not to mention people are still playing Halo 2, and I am playing other FPS for my PC like Half-life 2 and Battlefield 2142. Its just a genre thats continuing to lose my interest because it's getting so wore out. I just looked at some killzone 2 information in the newest game informer and just got bored and stopped reading it because im so sick of the genre.

Basically the only reason I bought warhawk over lair when I was at gamecrazy was because I had three friends with me, and it turns out im glad I bought it, because it is like crimson skies + battlefield, which is awesome. But If I had to choose between the new experience of Lair or a new enviroment but same general viewpoint in Bioshock I think I would choose Lair. It's like a guy who is sick of madden so much that he buys a soccer game instead, even though the soccer game may be inferior, he is so damn sick of football that he would prefer soccer.

Anywho, i probably spent to long explaining that simple point, it just boils down to diversity.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

Im not a Xbot #1...I think the best 2 titles of last gen were Guitar Hero 1 and Burnout 3. PS3 is just simply not worth owning yet.

[Gadfly2317]

The 360 has games like Eternal Sonata[sep], Kengo Legend of the 9[sep], PGR4[oct], Beautiful Katamari[oct], Ace Combat 6[oct], Virtua Fighter 5 online[oct], Viva Pinata Party Animals[oct], Scene it?[nov], and a few more. I'm sure some of those games will sell decently enough, despote being mixed in with the juggernauts like H3 and HL2 and ME.

I was completely unimpressed with PGR3. . . it was one of the titles that had me saying "Xbox 1.5" But I loved PGR2, and PGR4 looks great. The changing weather looks really well done. It's funny, I dis the 360 for being too constrained to racers and shooters, but its a racer and a shooter I'd pick up first with a 360. That's the thing, I guess, you buy a console for its strengths. There's some other titles in other genres, but they seem kinda weak.

I wonder if any console this gen will be as well rounded as Ps2 was last gen.

[NEO-360]

Milkdrinkers are so funny. " Bioshock is overrated " , Bioshock is an awsome game that deserves the high 9 and 10 rankings in received. They are so up Sony's arse that they still believe that Lair and Warhawk are better games. This is the funniest stuff I have heard in a long time.

Bioshock is only on PC and Xbox 360 not very multiplat. is it.

Lair & Warhawk werent the AAA pair that Sony sheeple hope them to be. So now its their time to vent their asses off. I mean in a row you had Gears of War, Lost Planet, Bioshock,and now in a couple of weeks Halo 3 will emerge. All of those games not only had great game reviews but they all sold well too.

Lair? Decent reviews. Warhawk? Did'nt live up to the hype. Madden 2008? Faster on the 360 at 60 fps & slower on the PS3 running at 30 fps. Not good. Heavenly Sword? Not bad. But clearly not a system seller like the megahit on the PS2 called"God Of War II".(love that game!)

But then again thechieflives you have to remember these are the same guys that tried to start a petition to send to Capcom threatening to boycott Devil May Cry 4 if its released on the 360 as well as the PS3. I mean if I owned a PS3 I would be crying foul too. I've been actually having fun with the Wii.

I cant believe that he actually would take Lair, Warhawk, and Heavenly Sword over Bioshock? I guess it dont take much to please him then. Thanks but no thanks. I rather stick with an AAA title than 3 lukewarm titles that hasnt shown the quality above and beyond what the PS2 can still do IMO.:thumbsup:

By the end of this month my 360 should be gracing my threshhold. Wii owners has Metroid 3 to look forward to. 360 owners has a bunch of reasons to be happy this year. PS3 owners this year has What? Heavenly Sword and.......? Absolutely nothing. This year is the year of the Wii and the 360. The PS3 has nothing to offer this year but empty promises and shattered dreams. Next year may be better for PS3 owners but 2007 is definately not one of them.

[ilnadmy]

I must say, it's refreshing to see Neo not ragging on Nintendo being "kiddie" anymore.

[NEO-360]

I must say, it's refreshing to see Neo not ragging on Nintendo being "kiddie" anymore.

My family totally enjoys The WIi. And actually I do too.(Especially Bowling) I am thinking about owning certain Wii games in the near future like Smash Bros., Mario Galaxy,and MP3. I've always been a Nintendo fan. I just didnt like some of the things they['ve done over the years with the GC. At first I dint like the Wii. Now that I actually have one I can honestly say its a nice 2nd console to lean on. (Xbox,PS2,and every now and then the N64) :thumbsup:

I still think you know who is on crack if he rather have Lair, HS, and Warhawk over Bioshock though.:rolleyes:

[Gamer88]

My family totally enjoys The WIi. And actually I do too.(Especially Bowling) I am thinking about owning certain Wii games in the near future like Smash Bros., Mario Galaxy,and MP3. I've always been a Nintendo fan. I just didnt like some of the things they['ve done over the years with the GC. At first I dint like the Wii. Now that I actually have one I can honestly say its a nice 2nd console to lean on. (Xbox,PS2,and every now and then the N64) :thumbsup:

I still think you know who is on crack if he rather have Lair, HS, and Warhawk over Bioshock though.:rolleyes:

Well, my PS3 userid is "Ismokerocks" :eek:

[Cuddly Knife]

I was just thinking that as I read Moody's post.

And I would also take all three of those games over one Bioshock. Of course, I wouldn't put them individually against Bioshock, but all three, hell yeah, dude.

[Mochan]

I was completely unimpressed with PGR3. . . it was one of the titles that had me saying "Xbox 1.5" But I loved PGR2, and PGR4 looks great. The changing weather looks really well done. It's funny, I dis the 360 for being too constrained to racers and shooters, but its a racer and a shooter I'd pick up first with a 360. That's the thing, I guess, you buy a console for its strengths. There's some other titles in other genres, but they seem kinda weak.

I wonder if any console this gen will be as well rounded as Ps2 was last gen.


I would have thought the first game you'd pick up on the 360 would be Viva Pinata. It certainly seems right up your alley.

[Mochan]

Of course you missed the point of what I was saying, Mochan, which is pretty ironic.

Oh, I got your point. I just didn't agree with it.

I also believe that, if you truly believe the game is beyond System Wars Talk, you shouldn't even be talking about it in System Wars. At the very least you should be taking your discussion of the game to the 360 forum. That's my point.

Obviously, you don't agree with it.

So we're quits.



Bioshock sure doesn't do everything perfectly, (I agree with TLW's point about the pistols and machine guns, and even your point about the graphics being inconsistent), but precious few games do so many things so competently.

Don't forget, I don't hate the game and I haven't written it off. You people are treating me as if I called the Pope a harlot rapist. I am still playing the game and am still expecting great things from it. It will probably wow me more especially once I get to "the point" that everyone is raving about, though even if it did I doubt it would erase my criticisms on the game -- which really are all they are. You yourself hold the same opinion on the irregularity in the graphics that I pointed out. It's not like I was dissing the game, I am just honest about my crticisms of anything and everything regardless of how much I love or loathe it.

You bring up a point about SOTC. That was a good game. Just like Bioshock. But here's something else to consider: SOTC was a great game, but why is it that nobody is talking about it now? Why was SOTC still involved in heated debates here on this very board?

Because it didn't transcend video game boundaries they way you want to believe Bioshock is doing. And I firmly state that Bioshock as well isn't doing much better, whether it is as good as or better than SOTC is beside the point. And the proof is here for all to see: we are getting varied opinions on the game (and not just from one person) and we are getting heated discussion on it.

So I don't think anything else needs to be said on the issue. It's not a transcendentary game, if you want to believe it is more power to you but the rest of us will be dipping it into controversy before your very eyes.

[ilnadmy]

So I just rented Lair, and the game is not a bad game. Not at all. It's not the best game out there, but no way is it deserving of all the bad scores it got. Those scores probably stemmed from the control scheme, but even then I'm doing pretty well even with the sixaxis-only controls, which are quite responsive (except for the 180 turn, which takes some doing). I probably look like an idiot when I'm playing, but hey it's fun so who cares. The graphics are also pretty impressive, with so much going on on-screen at once, but with my small TV it's hard to see everything sometimes.

But yeah, it's a good game. Not AAA, but certainly not a 4.0 game.

[Gadfly2317]

So I just rented Lair, and the game is not a bad game. Not at all. It's not the best game out there, but no way is it deserving of all the bad scores it got. Those scores probably stemmed from the control scheme, but even then I'm doing pretty well even with the sixaxis-only controls, which are quite responsive (except for the 180 turn, which takes some doing). I probably look like an idiot when I'm playing, but hey it's fun so who cares. The graphics are also pretty impressive, with so much going on on-screen at once, but with my small TV it's hard to see everything sometimes.

But yeah, it's a good game. Not AAA, but certainly not a 4.0 game.

The little flick-motion you do to pull off the 180 degree back-flip maneuver is very similar to the motion you need to pull off to flip an over-easy egg in an egg skillet. I was a brunch-chef in college, which is what I account for the ease I've had pulling off the back-flip in Lair.

I've played a lot of Six-axis motion control on PSN games like Super Rub a Dub and flOw, and Lair was totally natural and easy to control, IMO.

Sadly, the real problem with the game is that the missions are often kinda stupid, and its just sort of a dull game. The line between fun and boring is sometimes hard to figure out why. . . like Crimson Skies was fun as hell to me, Lair was not but I can't explain what exactly it was that made the difference for me.

Lair was fun for a bit, and the games a looker, and for that its a 6.5 at best. It is definitely worth a rent, because the things that are fun about the game are worth experience in conjunction with the incredible visuals. Definitely was fun to swoop down on a vast moving army and start snapping up soldiers and eating them. And then torching large swaths of them, and then taking off and flying around.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

If you BOUGHT lair would you still think it was good? You sound sooo Emo on Lair's junk

[NEO-360]

I was just thinking that as I read Moody's post.

And I would also take all three of those games over one Bioshock. Of course, I wouldn't put them individually against Bioshock, but all three, hell yeah, dude.


I rather have Bioshock over Warhawk, Heavenly Sword,and Lair combined.:p

[ilnadmy]

That's because you're stoopid.

[NEO-360]

That's because you're stoopid.

And You call me"stoopid?" :eek:

[ilnadmy]

I know how it's spelled numb-nuts. I was being facetious.

[Gadfly2317]

S-T-U-P-I-D I know you didnt go to school much ilnadmy.But you got to learn.

It's not "You got to learn." The phrase you were looking for was "You have to learn."

Also, you missed the apostrophe in "didn't." And you missed the space between the first and second sentence.

And while we're at it, you forgot the "douche" in "Moody is an unrepentant, cum-gargling douche bag."

You forgot your apostrophe, but you clearly had your period. Why don't you stick a tampon in it, and shut up for a awhile? We're all sick of hearing your bloated moaning.

[T.Tashi]

So it's a wanna be? What does that mean anyway? Lair plays like LOTR the game? Not really? With that kind of thinking any medievil game can be considered LOTR-like. Funny thing is that dragon isn't really the center piece of LOTR. The fact that LOTR has almost all the mystic creatures known to men, you can play with that argument anyway you want. How's Halo not a starship trooper wanna be? What is PGR not a fast and furious wanna be? So on and so forth.



There's a lot of things you xbots do that is unknown to man. Like right now, I don't know why you are giving us this BS. The fact you two are actually trying to make a point comparing the two games just shows how fried you brains are. Yea, WoW is so going to own Halo 3. Screw Halo 3 let's all play WoW.



And that's how games are. What did you think Halo was? What did you think Gears of War is? Ever played a game called Kill Switch? The only difference between Gear of War and Kill Switch is that the main character of Kill Switch wasn't on steroid.



Is that why you people riding games like bioshock or mass effect so hard?

Folken does have a really good point as the pwnage of his post points out. Xbots point to 360 games like the gameplay has never been done before, doing things the world has never seen, while games on other systems are same 'ole. Jyoharl made this point when he mentioned duel welding. It's rather funny actually. Xbox games exist in this vacuum where no other games exist. :D It's nothing if not convenient.

[Mochan]

If you BOUGHT lair would you still think it was good? You sound sooo Emo on Lair's junk

Tendency is if you buy a game, you will like it more than if you just rented it, borrowed it or otherwise got it for free. It's human nature, trust me.


And You call me"stoopid?" :eek:


I had to invent a new word just for you, Neo. I will only use it for you. Stupeed.

[NEO-360]

Tendency is if you buy a game, you will like it more than if you just rented it, borrowed it or otherwise got it for free. It's human nature, trust me.





I had to invent a new word just for you, Neo. I will only use it for you. Stupeed.

Whatever turns you on Mochan. As long as you dont bore us to death about what PC game is better speech. I rather cut my manhood with a rusty knife than hear one more of those PC snoozefest of yours.:D

[NEO-360]

It's not "You got to learn." The phrase you were looking for was "You have to learn."

Also, you missed the apostrophe in "didn't." And you missed the space between the first and second sentence.

And while we're at it, you forgot the "douche" in "Moody is an unrepentant, cum-gargling douche bag."

You forgot your apostrophe, but you clearly had your period. Why don't you stick a tampon in it, and shut up for a awhile? We're all sick of hearing your bloated moaning.

What do you ass----- and opinions have in common? Everybody has one.:p

[ilnadmy]

Whatever turns you on Mochan. As long as you dont bore us to death about what PC game is better speech. I rather cut my manhood with a rusty knife than hear one more of those PC snoozefest of yours.:D

Please, don't let us stop you.

[folken001]

Please, don't let us stop you.
He has to find it first.

[NEO-360]

He has to find it first.
F-Feeling
O-over
L-large
K-kissable
E-Enormus
N-Nutsacks

0-Zero times in Junior High
0-Zeri times In High School
1-Once In college

No more further questions for this witness.:D

[ilnadmy]

F-Feeling
O-over
L-large
K-kissable
E-Enormus
N-Nutsacks

0-Zero times in Junior High
0-Zeri times In High School
1-Once In college

No more further questions for this witness.:D

Neo - n. a: slow of mind : obtuse b: given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner c: lacking intelligence or reason

360 - doesn't own one yet.

[NEO-360]

Neo - n. a: slow of mind : obtuse b: given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner c: lacking intelligence or reason

360 - doesn't own one yet.

ilnadmy-n. 1.sack rider: 2.milkdrinker :3.PC game supporter :4.Strong with the force but lacks the intellect & discipline to properly wield it.: 5. Possesses ADD: 6.Fully supports the PS3 curse of not having good games by not buying any for the console he possesses.

"Got Milk?" :p

[ilnadmy]

You really need to learn how to write a dictionary-style definition.

[Mochan]

The question is, is he capable of learning?

[NEO-360]

The question is, is he capable of learning?

How about that?:p

[NEO-360]

You really need to learn how to write a dictionary-style definition.

I guess we both have alot to learn huh? :rolleyes:

[ilnadmy]

Not me.