Sony Fanboys Fickle Minds

[Tappy_Tibbons]

The more I troll forums online, the less sane I am...the lack of logic and completely blind dedication of some of these people...geez. I feel like I am living in the twilight zone...all these people speak of PS3 having better graphics and being more powerful when we've yet to see a multiplat game run as good on PS3 as 360 or a game look half as good as Gears of War. Are you all blind or just ignoring the facts?

Also, the way Sony fanboys changed their tunes as far as what they expect out of a console. Funny how if you go to Amazon or something of the like, all the customer reviews mention the media capabilities and NEVER the games. When, in truth, besides blu-ray, PS3's media capabilities are completely overshadowed by the 360s (look @ the dashboards of each console). Are all of you really that dedicated to Sony that you can't accept the truth? Funny how last generation when the original Xbox let you rip music to the HDD and use custom soundtracks it was "overdone" and all the Sony fanboys were happy with a game console for just playing games but now it's as if everyone in the universe has a 1080p HDTV with HDMI and a 7.1 Surround Sound.

I am stead fast folks, no matter what you may say. When I first appeared on these forums I had just picked up a DC. It was an awesome console, yet, people dismissed it to wait on the PS2. I held on to the DC because it had a built in 56k modem which introduced me to online FPS. Ps2 was released at a $300 price point, bare bones. And what could it do? PLAY GAMES...but not online out of the box...had to buy that adapter (no PS2 browser was ever released either). I wait for the 360 due to LIVE, the HDD, and the custom soundtracks (was worth $300 at launch because it was so much more powerful than PS2). I DID pick up a PS2 at the end of 2005 for the price of $50 (used).

Had fun with it. PS3 rolls along for $600, the damn thing still can't do custom soundtracks, the online sucks (some worse than Dreamcast), the games are all "me too" average crap, and the hype is unbelievable.

Keep in mind I can watch Blu Ray movies on my PC or my Xbox 360 (streamed through tversity) if I wish for sharp movies. Now, take blu-ray out, and you get over-hyped crap. Simple as that.

Again, I will now set my PS3 price point. $250.

[folken001]

Buy a 360 already. Stop pimping it and not buying one. The question with you is... if 360 is so good, why don't you have one. if 360 is so much cheaper, why don't you have one?

I hope you don't get a PS3. People like you don't deserve one anyway.

The reason why you are becoming somewhat insane is probably because you are trolling too much. In case you didn't know, we don't like trolls.

[ilnadmy]

I think he already has a 360.

Anyway I agree the hype for the PS3 is huge, but then again that's what you get with a newly released console, especially one whose big games are yet to drop. But in my case, for example, a huge reason of why I bought the PS3 was for its multimedia capabilities. Of course I'm definitely going to be getting Heavenly Sword and Ratchet and Clank when they release, but I got it with more of an eye towards Metal Gear Solid 4 than any other games. As far as I'm concerned, they're just nice bonuses.

[Gadfly2317]

Well, that was ignorant and I feel much more stupid for having read it. I don't believe Tappy owns a 360; last I saw he'd said he was waiting for a non-fall apart version of the 360, and that Ps3 was too expensive.

Out right falsehoods in the post: "no multiplat looks or runs better" on Ps3. Wrong. Of course, all bots excuse it on grounds of "extra development time." Other falsehood "the online sucks". . .it's free and nearly as good as what MS offers. And its improving all the time. Games are all "crap?" Obviously not an owner or a game player.

And this deluded fanboy is going to go back and pimp dreamcast against Ps2? The Ps2 STILL is putting out better games than most of what is coming out on 360, and if you have a Ps3, its a nice little bonus that it upscales your Ps2 games to 1080i (or maybe p too, but my set is just 1080i.)

All of the stuff that the Ps3 does and does well, including great games, including FREE online, including HD movies, high capacity storage format, motion control, b/c to the biggest best library (Ps1/Ps2) with upscaling, PsP interactivity, STANDARD harddrive, HDMI, built in Wifi. . . and I could go on. Movies are a free, and easy bonus to me--Blu-ray's biggest advantages are for gaming. The Ps3 is a damned great console.

And this HICK RETARD tappy says his price point is $250 for a Ps3? Well then, what's your price point for the THIRTY PERCENT FAILURE RATE fischer-price looking 360 which lacks most of the features I listed above?

Imagine a world where we weren't having to wait for Rockstar to dumb down its next GTA opus for a system that whines that it wants the whole game to fit on a DvD and be programmed to the lowest common denomitor 360 which includes NO STANDARD HARD DRIVE. If you retards who call yourselves gamers would get off your asses and support the better console maybe this would stop happening.

[Mochan]

Didn't Fight Night look better on the PS3? As did Oblivion. Though I heard FN has a few framerate stutters more than the 360 does.

On the GTA4 issue although we don't have any hard proof that the 360 is to blame for the delay, I think it is a good bet that the 360 having just a DVD-9 for storage and no standard hardrive causes issues for the development of the game, especially if it is true that MS insists to have the game on just one disk.

[silversparrow]

Again, I will now set my PS3 price point. $250.

The PS3 price probably won't drop that low until at least 2010.

On the upside you'll have a ton of games and BR movies to choose from by then.

[Mochan]

I see nothing wrong with picking up a PS3 by 2010. The graphics may be aged by then (or not, I think the resolution is good enough that even a PC whore will be happy) but should still look good and playable. If you have another console or system to subsist on until then (like a 360, Wii, PC or whatever) then I see no rush. Nobody's competing to be the first to play a game (at least I hope not, LOL).

[GameLegend]

Buy a 360 already. Stop pimping it and not buying one. The question with you is... if 360 is so good, why don't you have one. if 360 is so much cheaper, why don't you have one?

I hope you don't get a PS3. People like you don't deserve one anyway.

The reason why you are becoming somewhat insane is probably because you are trolling too much. In case you didn't know, we don't like trolls.

He shoots....and he misses.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

Um, GTA is being held up because devs can't get it running right on PS3. MS now requires certain games to use the HDD, but the funniest thing about these replies is that you all prove my point...you can't talk about PS3's games because they SUCK. When Xbox 1 came out, all the Sony fanboys said it was trying to be a PC...now, the PS3 IS a PC...but, oh, now the 360 isn't ENOUGH of a PC?! Wi-Fi sucks, I'm glad it's optional with 360 as is my ability to watch HD movies, as is all the other useless bells and whistles of the PS3 that have nothing to do with GAMING are FORCED down your throats and you all LOVE it. SHOW ME CUSTOM SOUNDTRACKS SONY! I'm sick of hearing the same retarded lame music in Motorstorm.

[Gadfly2317]

The PS3 price probably won't drop that low until at least 2010.

On the upside you'll have a ton of games and BR movies to choose from by then.

And it will still have killer, original titles coming out every month from both Japanese and western developers, while Glock will be mailing in his Xbox 720 for repairs multiple times and waiting for Halo 4.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

And this HICK RETARD tappy says his price point is $250 for a Ps3? Well then, what's your price point for the THIRTY PERCENT FAILURE RATE fischer-price looking 360 which lacks most of the features I listed above?


This HICK RETARD got you to call him a HICK RETARD with no effort whatsoever. Tossing insults and labels only makes you look like less of a person, and might I add...MORE of a retard.

[Mochan]

Um, GTA is being held up because devs can't get it running right on PS3.


This is the most likely scenario and I mentioned this in another thread, but we don't know the real reason for the delay, unless there's been a press release on this that I missed.

I believe that Rockstar is getting issues from both fronts -- 360's storage space and PS3's hard-to-develop-for nature.



Oh and dude if a game's music is driving you nuts go buy an iPod and hook it up to your stereo, then turn the game's music off. :)

[T.Tashi]

And this HICK RETARD tappy says his price point is $250 for a Ps3? Well then, what's your price point for the THIRTY PERCENT FAILURE RATE fischer-price looking 360 which lacks most of the features I listed above?

$25.

Imagine a world where we weren't having to wait for Rockstar to dumb down its next GTA opus for a system that whines that it wants the whole game to fit on a DvD and be programmed to the lowest common denomitor 360 which includes NO STANDARD HARD DRIVE. If you retards who call yourselves gamers would get off your asses and support the better console maybe this would stop happening.

The 360 has some great games and more on the way. They shoulda noted the difficulty of trying to squeeze GTA4 onto the 360 and just give up on it. It's just one game vs. Halo 3, Mass Effect and Bioshock. That's probably why there's gonna be downloadable content, to get around the size limitation, so MS offered $$$ to make it exclusive. MS coulda kept that $50 mil and used it for advertising or to stuff in the billion dollar hole they're bleeding from.

[folken001]

This thread is retarded. He's saying PS3 lacks games. But, we all know the problem is only temporarily and it will be solved in the future. Yes, the argument can be made at the present time but then how is 360 a better choice? Like Gadfly said, you can't make a sounded debate with something like 360 on the plate. A machine that has made famous to the world with its 30%+ failure rate is better worth of 400+ dollars?

And, still, he has neither. What does he know really? It's like watching him trying to argue the benefit of having either jeans or pants when he runs around butt naked all the time.

[Gadfly2317]

This HICK RETARD got you to call him a HICK RETARD with no effort whatsoever. Tossing insults and labels only makes you look like less of a person, and might I add...MORE of a retard.

True, that's why I reserve insults for especially uninformed posts filled with innacuracies--at least I hope they are unintentional accuracies due to ignorance and not intentional lies.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

Umm, I have a 360.

[Ludicrum]

I'm not touching this one with a 50 foot pole.

[NEO-360]

Buy a 360 already. Stop pimping it and not buying one. The question with you is... if 360 is so good, why don't you have one. if 360 is so much cheaper, why don't you have one?

I hope you don't get a PS3. People like you don't deserve one anyway.

The reason why you are becoming somewhat insane is probably because you are trolling too much. In case you didn't know, we don't like trolls.

Tappy is indeed telling the truth. Not to mention he made alot of good points that none of Milk Inc. can deny when it comes to the shortcomings of the PS3 considering its supposed to be the most powerful console on the planet. Technically it is. But yet EA sports titles still run at 30 fps on the PS3 and it runs at 60 fps on the Xbox 360. Hmmm.....I wonder why is that? Any comments from Milk Inc on this issue?(So quiet now you can hear a cat piss on cotton)

In the minds of mindless milk worshippers Its the best thing since sliced bread when it comes to what all it has underneath the hood. Its one hell of a blu-ray player and you can play PS2 games on it. Outside of that are the games thats been on the PS3 thusfar have they truly been above and beyond anything you can play currently on the PS2? I say no.

But since you're Capt. Sony I'm sure you see things totally different. The 360 has games worth talking about. The PS3? Their best games are Xbox ports and a small handful of hopefuls. Nintendo and MS has AAA titles coming out this year. Other than Heavenly Sword what do PS3 have to look forward to for 2007? Nada.

Plus I agree you Sony fanboys are fickle as hell. A couple of months back you milkdrinkers threw a hissy fit about DMC4 coming to the 360. You guys were crying with tears rolling down your face and piss rolling down your legs. :cryin:

Threatening Capcom with a petition to not port DMC4 to the 360 or else. LOL!!! Yeah dodge that one Capt.Wii owners & 360 owners will have one hell of a holiday season for 2007. PS3 owners? Well I guess picking up a couple of great PS2 games and several blu-ray movies will be the only thing exciting underneath your trees when it comes to the PS3 gamewise. Choke on that .:p

[Gadfly2317]

In the minds of mindless milk worshippers Its the best thing since sliced bread when it comes to what all it has underneath the hood. Its one hell of a blu-ray player and you can play PS2 games on it. Outside of that are the games thats been on the PS3 thusfar have they truly been above and beyond anything you can play currently on the PS2? I say no.By that logic one could just as rationally (or irrationally) say "Is there anything on 360 that is truly above and beyond what you can play currently on Ps2?" No? Yes? You still don't own a Ps3 or a 360, which is why you make statements like this.

Nintendo and MS has AAA titles coming out this year. You really just do bow down to whatever is the market leader, just like a dog who rolls over and shows his belly to a bigger dog. You are a classic beta male runt. Since when have you been a Nintendo pimp? What AAA titles are you referring to? Mario and Metroid? A year ago, before Wii became the market leader, you woulda been saying "same old stale rehash Mario with a fresh coat of paint." Except in this case, there is no fresh coat of paint. The paint is the same, just new controls.

As a nintendo fan, and a fan of control innovation I am looking forward intensely to Metroid Corruption and Mario Galaxy, but why are you suddenly pimping it when you will not be owning it, playing it, and bashed these games last gen? Why aren't you calling out Nintendo and asking where the hell are all the NEW games at?

Nintendo has been working on these two games forever and have not had the constraints and learning curves of new hardware and pushing intense graphics, and all the time and work that takes. Subtract these two game-cube era games, and the graphics-free stuff like the excercise game, and what does Nintendo have this fall? A fairly typical-to-weak first year.

And Ps3 has a typical to good first year and will have a great second year. You sound like a jilted lover or something. You've said you stuck with your Ps2 instead of jumping next gen because of all the great games still coming to your Ps2, but you can't cut any slack to the fact the the Ps3 is just in its first year? Motorstorm and Resistance, freaking LAUNCH TITLES, are as intense graphically as anything 360 has put out in nearly two years, with rock solid gameplay.

The 360 first year didn't exactly blow me or a lot of gamers away. But should NO ONE have bought a 360? Should NO ONE buy Ps3 just because it isn't two years old yet and coming in with a rich second wave of games? Don't gamers rely on hardcores to adopt early so that the systems can really get rolling and then get price cuts?

Ps3's first wave of games are solid, even the ones that have already appeared on 360. If you don't already have a 360, then it really isn't an issue is it? Since you don't have a 360, why do you care if Oblivion is a "port?" A great game is a great game wherever it's at. And there are some great games on Ps3, and great games on the way. And you can laugh all you want about playing Ps2 games, but the jokes on you since that's what you are still playing. God of War 2 was pretty sweet? Imagine being able to play it upscaled to 1080i on the same system you play Oblivion, The Darkness, Motorstorm, GTA IV, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, Assasins Creed, Haze, Lair, Resident Evil 5, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Guitar Hero 3, Uncharted, Little Big Planet, DMC 4, Metal Gear Solid, Unreal Tournament 3, Gran Turismo 5, just to name a tiny handful of what's coming.

And you wanna talk dragons? OK. Panzer Dragoon was great. How do I play it? I have no Xbox. On 360? Last I checked that one was still not available b/c. You admit yourself how great the Ps2 library is and then scoff at not only full backward compatibility to that library on your next gen console, but having that library upscaled to simulated HD? What kind of gamer are you?

[silversparrow]

And you wanna talk dragons? OK. Panzer Dragoon was great. How do I play it? I have no Xbox. On 360? Last I checked that one was still not available b/c.

Actually PDO is now on the b/c list (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/backwardcompatibilitygameslist.htm).

[Gadfly2317]

Actually PDO is now on the b/c list (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/backwardcompatibilitygameslist.htm).

OK. That's good. Did Stranger's Wrath make it yet too? I'll buy back a copy of each of those for whenever I get a 360. Which won't be awhile for sure now. I impulse-purchased a mustang convertible yesterday, and to make it up to my wife I have to take her on lots of road trips :) :( :) :( :)

DOH!!!!

[Glockstar]

Which won't be awhile for sure now. I impulse-purchased a mustang convertible yesterday...

Dude, post some pics! I wanna see it. I am infatuated with Mustangs right now.

[Gadfly2317]

Dude, post some pics! I wanna see it. I am infatuated with Mustangs right now.

I'll posts some pics, monday probably. I'm still in a state of shock kinda, I don't impulse buy expensive items. Or at least, didn't. I'll either PM them to you or start a thread in general discussion so as not to further bore VGR with more personal exploits. I wish other people would step up and make asses of themselves occasionally with more personal posts. I mean hell, there's the same 10-20 of us. I know we talk about sports and music and other stuff in general discussion, but I wouldn't mind seeing more of it, getting to know you guys better.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, Lair, Uncharted, Little Big Planet, Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo 5, just to name a tiny handful of what's coming.



Fixed. Had to take out all the games that were multiplatform. That makes it a VERY tiny handful. Not too many games coming this year, including GT5 and MGS4. So many of these games are unproven and several will SUCK...like LAIR. Little Big Planet looks good, but how long is this going to entertain you really? After the initial appeal of posting bestiality porn all over the screen, eventually, no one will care. Uncharted is unproven.

So, fixed again for 2007 only...

Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, Lair, Uncharted



So your basing your PS3's 2007 on those titles? LOL!

I know, I know, the ignorant masses will still prevail and what not...but for hardcore gamers, there isn't a better game coming this year that's going to even be in the same league as BIOSHOCK. So yea, save your "I could build a $400 PC to run this" argument because you CANT.

[ilnadmy]

I already have a PC that'll run BioShock, so I don't need to to worry about that. If that's MS's ace in the hole, well then I'm pretty set. Not to mention mouse and keyboard control on Call of Duty 4, and a smoother experience on Assassin's Creed. This is in addition to the PS3's exclusives. Plus I just started playing Tomb Raider: Legend yesterday on the PC with the 360's graphical fidelity, so I'm just having a ball really. All this without a 360.

Imagine that.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

Um, last I checked PC isn't a console...it costs a lot more.

[ilnadmy]

Um, last I checked I can play most 360 games on my PC.

[Gadfly2317]

I know, I know, the ignorant masses will still prevail and what not...but for hardcore gamers, there isn't a better game coming this year that's going to even be in the same league as BIOSHOCK. So yea, save your "I could build a $400 PC to run this" argument because you CANT.

OK, lets pretend we can't play multiplats on Ps3. Not sure what the point of that is though.

You will get no argument from me that 360 is a worthy system, and that approaching the end of its second year, it has more software than either the Wii or Ps3 which are ending their first year.

I recall Bots who bought 360's day one, back when there wasn't that much software. Did that mean they were stupid? Bioshock looks cool as hell to me. Hope to play it someday.

I just went with a Ps3 first for many good reasons I've listed, repeatedly. Just like some people feel the 360 is worth getting now. I have no quarrell with those who want to risk the red ring and pick up pre-65nm 360's because they have a strong affinity for the great shooters coming to 360 this fall. Those games just aren't a priority for me, and so the 360 is a system I can wait on a little longer.

Tha's all. No need to get your panties in a wad. The defense of the Ps3 as a valid gaming system that not only offers great gaming in its own right, but improves my Ps2 games, supports the PsP, and has a long future ahead of it. . . saying those things is not an attack on your 360.

[Ludicrum]

Um, last I checked I can play most 360 games on my PC.

Yeah, assuming someone has the money to afford a rig that can even run those games. The price difference is what separates consoles from PCs. That and the level of technical expertise required to run one properly. PCs are generally not considered to be in the same category as consoles because they both cater to different audiences. While there is a significant overlap between the two when it comes to the hardcore crowd, that overlap is negligible when it comes to the average consumer who, say, buys a PS2 for some leisurely gaming when he comes home from work. And it is this kind of audience that actually makes up the bulk of the console user-base.

Not to take anything away from PCs, but there is a big difference between the console and PC crowds. Which, IMO, is why the PC is not technically in competition with consoles, but is rather a market all its own.

[ilnadmy]

Well the way I see it, everyone needs a PC of some sort, be it a laptop or desktop. If you want to get a respectable system, how much is it going to cost you? $600? $700? More if it's a laptop probably. If you throw another $400 into that system you can get yourself a pretty respectable gaming rig. Sure it takes a little more hands-on to get games to work, but if my 14 year-old brother can figure out how to install/configure/uninstall games, then pretty much anyone who really wants to can figure it out with minimal effort. You're not dealing with The Matrix here, you don't need to learn how to hack CIA databases in order to figure out how to install a PC game.

[Mochan]

And you wanna talk dragons? OK. Panzer Dragoon was great. How do I play it? I have no Xbox. On 360? Last I checked that one was still not available b/c. You admit yourself how great the Ps2 library is and then scoff at not only full backward compatibility to that library on your next gen console, but having that library upscaled to simulated HD? What kind of gamer are you?

Beta male runt. Ouch. The truth hurts. That is by far the most painful insult I've seen hurled Neo's way.


I know, I know, the ignorant masses will still prevail and what not...but for hardcore gamers, there isn't a better game coming this year that's going to even be in the same league as BIOSHOCK. So yea, save your "I could build a $400 PC to run this" argument because you CANT.

I've never considered myself an elite gamer for gaming on the PC but the way XBots talk about how much more inaccessible, expensive and technically inclined you have to be to game on a PC, it sure make me feel mighty special.

And for your information quite a few "hardcore gamers" will be playing Bioshock on their PCs.

I find the cost point moot, many console gamers are running their 360s and PS3s on thousand dollar HDTVs and thousand dollar surround systems, anyone playing the miser card is just grasping straws I bet most people here have console gaming setups more expensive than the PC they use to post on this board. If any hardcore gamer really wanted to game on a PC building a good one shouldn't be a problem in terms of cost. The problem is more desire/perception than cost. Remember, we're talking hardcore gamers here. I do agree that the markets are generally quite different and that is why the competition is not fierce as is the 360 vs. PS3 competition, but there is overlap.

[joquito]

BTW Gad,

Xbox 360 upscales original xbox games since day one. So the PS3 doesn't have anything on the 360 there. Actually there was talk that the PS2 games on the PS3 had more jaggies, than when played on a PS2. Has Sony fixed this problem yet? Granted upscaling games was never really worth anything visually anyway.

[Aylmer]

According to Xbox.com, backwards compatibility (a necessity before upscaling, of course) with original Xbox games can be had, but with a price.

(1) A 360 with a HD is needed.
(2) An XBox Live account is needed
(3) Each game must be individually scanned and modified via Xbox Live before it can be played. No plug and play here.
(4) Out of 381 original backwards compatible Xbox titles, there are known issues with 115 of them. They run the gauntlet from minor graphic bugs to freezing up the system. A complete list is available at Xbox.com

PS2 games can be played on a PS3 without any of those hassles. You do not need to go online and do anything, you just pop in the disk and start playing. All PS3s have a HD and your virtual PS2 memory card does exist on it, but you have the option with a recent system update to transfer your game saves.

Without the more recent updates, I did have issues with the OS overwriting PS2 game saves with one game, but that has been addressed. The number of incompatible games are very few on the U.S. version of the PS3, tho the European version has way more issues from what I understand.

Every PS2 game I've played prior to the upscaling OS update looked identical to the game being played on a PS2. On a HD tv the upscaling does make the games look better, IMO.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

YAWN @ BACKWARDS COMPAT. So what? Same old same old, "I'm gonna play all my old gamez!!" argument. Save it PS3 fanboys.

Oh, and ilnadamy, I don't believe that you could build a PC for $600-$700 to play Bioshock at this time. Prove me otherwise.

[Mochan]

My current PC can more than likely run Bioshock and it's two years old and can be built cheaply today. I'll research on the price for it.

The quality will be a bit compromised, something like 1024x768 only w/ 2x AA with certain shading features set to medium but it'll still look good.

When I run to my PC later I'll check the pricing for the sake of the argument, but personally I'll be upgrading my rig before the year is through.

[Aylmer]

"YAWN @ BACKWARDS COMPAT. So what? Same old same old, "I'm gonna play all my old gamez!!" argument. "

There are *NEW* PS2 games released every week. Not only backwards compatible, but new game compatibility as well.

I don't keep up with MS stuff too oftern, tho. Are there new original XBox titles being released?

[Mochan]

My Gosh, I took a trip to NewEgg.com, building a PC more powerful than mine was EASY to do at $700US (near $800 actually) and I didn't skimp I even chose nice components like a spanking dual core X2 3800+ and it comes in an awesome little Small Form Factor (Shuttle) which is about as big as a PS3. Gosh PC prices in the US are really so cheap. I couldn't even build my current PC because all the parts were so outdated! Instead I got better parts that were way cheaper.

This rig is more than enough to run Bioshock maybe at full settings, it's small, sleek and powerful and won't overheat and red ring like the 360. I should have looked at C2D prices instead of X2s but I was building something like my current PC.


Here this is what you get:

Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Windsor
Shuttle XPC nForce 570 Ultra
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB DDR2 800 RAM
XFX PVT80GGHD4 GeForce 8800GTS 320MB
Sony NEC Optiarc Black IDE DVD-ROM
Seagate Barracuda 80GB 7200 RPM SATA

Total System Price: $782.95

That's everything you need to game in the next gen and it's a way more powerful system than the Xbox 360. A dual core Athlon 64-bit CPU with 2GB of fast RAM and a fast 7200RP 8MB Cache 80GB harddive. Plus a silent PSU. Not bad.

Here is the pricing and links for the components:


AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Windsor $65.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=Athlon+64+Am2&x=0&y=0
Shuttle XPC nForce 570 Ultra $241.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=NForce+4+Ultra&x=0&y=0
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) $104
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=Corsair&x=0&y=0
XFX PVT80GGHD4 GeForce 8800GTS 320MB $309.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=8800GTS&x=0&y=0
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST380815AS 80GB 7200 RPM SATA $42.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=Seagate+Barracuda
Sony DDU1615/B2s CD / DVD Drives $17.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=DVD+Drive&x=0&y=0


If you wanted an even cheaper PC you could get a normal form factor -- the Shuttle XPC I got is expensive in comparison (could shave off $140US from the price if I got something like this instead:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=AM2+FoxConn&x=0&y=0

Then if you want to pinch more pennies and bring it down to $500 it could be done just get an even cheaper CPU and RAM (I got top of the line Corsair RAM in that setup) and a budget GPU, etc. really sometimes I am amazed at how cheap PC components are in the US.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

I'm sorry Mochan, was I talking to you? JK :p

Nicw finds, though, other than you have to purchase an OS and also, CPU wise, the 360 is still more powerful...3 cores running @ 3.6 GHZ each is way more powerful than a 3800duel core. I have AMD 420064X2 and it only runs @ 2.2GHz.

So, anyway, the official specs to run this game are:

Minimum Requirements

CPU - Pentium 4 2.4GHz Single Core processor
System RAM - 1GB
Video Card - Direct X 9.0c compliant video card with 128MB RAM (NVIDIA 6600 or better/ATI X1300 or better, excluding ATI X1550).
Sound Card - 100% direct X 9.0c compatible sound card
Hard disc space - 8GB free space

Recommended Requirements
CPU - Intel Core 2 Duo processor
System RAM - 2GB
Video card - DX9 - Direct X 9.0c compliant video card with 512MB RAM (NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GT or better) / DX10 - NVIDIA GeForce 8600 or better
Sound Card - Sound Blaster X-Fi series (Optimized for use with Creative Labs EAX ADVANCED HD 4.0 or EAX ADVANCED HD 5.0 compatible sound cards)


So, yea, my puter could run it to...I have 4200, 2GB RAM, ATI 1650X 512MB vid card, but I will still be picking this up on 360.

[Mochan]

CPU wise, the 360 is still more powerful...3 cores running @ 3.6 GHZ each is way more powerful than a 3800duel core.

I disagree, the cores of the 360 do not function in the same way as the cores of a C2D or X2. They have less cache per processor, poor branch prediction, and are in-order. I would give the edge to an X2. Oh, and clock-speed isn't everything - Core 2 Duos and Athlon X2s have siginificantly lower clockspeeds than Pentium 4s yet are a lot faster.

But anyway I can appreciate people playing it on a 360 over a PC, no problem there. I personally won't because I prefer the PC control scheme.

[ilnadmy]

I think the big difference between PC and 360 processors are that the 360 processors are in-order whereas PC processors are out-of-order (Is that what it's really called? Sounds like the processor is having some maintenance issues lol...), and OOO processors can do a lot more than IO processors.

At least that's what I read somewhere once...

[Tappy_Tibbons]

BIOSHOCK demo up on XBL...am get now, impressions later. Bet it will beat the tar out of the Heavenly Sword demo.

[Mochan]

Oooh yeah! I will wait til the finished product comes out.

[Superior Beatslayer]

Oh and dude if a game's music is driving you nuts go buy an iPod and hook it up to your stereo, then turn the game's music off. :)

......why not plug the ipod right into the console?:idea:

[Mochan]

Whichever works!

[NEO-360]

By that logic one could just as rationally (or irrationally) say "Is there anything on 360 that is truly above and beyond what you can play currently on Ps2?" No? Yes? You still don't own a Ps3 or a 360, which is why you make statements like this.

You really just do bow down to whatever is the market leader, just like a dog who rolls over and shows his belly to a bigger dog. You are a classic beta male runt. Since when have you been a Nintendo pimp? What AAA titles are you referring to? Mario and Metroid? A year ago, before Wii became the market leader, you woulda been saying "same old stale rehash Mario with a fresh coat of paint." Except in this case, there is no fresh coat of paint. The paint is the same, just new controls.

As a nintendo fan, and a fan of control innovation I am looking forward intensely to Metroid Corruption and Mario Galaxy, but why are you suddenly pimping it when you will not be owning it, playing it, and bashed these games last gen? Why aren't you calling out Nintendo and asking where the hell are all the NEW games at?

Nintendo has been working on these two games forever and have not had the constraints and learning curves of new hardware and pushing intense graphics, and all the time and work that takes. Subtract these two game-cube era games, and the graphics-free stuff like the excercise game, and what does Nintendo have this fall? A fairly typical-to-weak first year.

And Ps3 has a typical to good first year and will have a great second year. You sound like a jilted lover or something. You've said you stuck with your Ps2 instead of jumping next gen because of all the great games still coming to your Ps2, but you can't cut any slack to the fact the the Ps3 is just in its first year? Motorstorm and Resistance, freaking LAUNCH TITLES, are as intense graphically as anything 360 has put out in nearly two years, with rock solid gameplay.

The 360 first year didn't exactly blow me or a lot of gamers away. But should NO ONE have bought a 360? Should NO ONE buy Ps3 just because it isn't two years old yet and coming in with a rich second wave of games? Don't gamers rely on hardcores to adopt early so that the systems can really get rolling and then get price cuts?

Ps3's first wave of games are solid, even the ones that have already appeared on 360. If you don't already have a 360, then it really isn't an issue is it? Since you don't have a 360, why do you care if Oblivion is a "port?" A great game is a great game wherever it's at. And there are some great games on Ps3, and great games on the way. And you can laugh all you want about playing Ps2 games, but the jokes on you since that's what you are still playing. God of War 2 was pretty sweet? Imagine being able to play it upscaled to 1080i on the same system you play Oblivion, The Darkness, Motorstorm, GTA IV, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, Assasins Creed, Haze, Lair, Resident Evil 5, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Guitar Hero 3, Uncharted, Little Big Planet, DMC 4, Metal Gear Solid, Unreal Tournament 3, Gran Turismo 5, just to name a tiny handful of what's coming.

And you wanna talk dragons? OK. Panzer Dragoon was great. How do I play it? I have no Xbox. On 360? Last I checked that one was still not available b/c. You admit yourself how great the Ps2 library is and then scoff at not only full backward compatibility to that library on your next gen console, but having that library upscaled to simulated HD? What kind of gamer are you?

What kind of gamer am I? I am a gamer that loves just about all genres. I go where the games are. If a console has great games on it on a consistant basis I have no problems investing in it. Not at all. I love Nintendo. Always have.

So you're sitting there crying, b#tching, and moaning about how can I criticize something I dont even own? Oh and what does that make guys like Folken? Hmm..? I think alot of guys around here are guilty of doing the same thing genius. I own a PS2 and I own an Xbox. I do plan to own a 360 by late September of this year. And a Wii by the end of this year.

I know people that own these consoles also. So its not like I am not exposed to these consoles or the games thats currently on them. I read reviews online and I read them in the magazines just like everybody else does.

SO you say why do I care its a port? Lets see. I find if funny that when the Ninja Gaiden Sigma commericial comes on in big bold letters it say"This is the reason you bought a PS3!" That to me is funny as hell! This is the reason to spend $500 bucks? For a four year old Xbox port with 3 extra levels, a fresh coat of paint, and a few new animations? Okay. Then theres Oblivion.

You say why should it matter that this game was on the 360/ PC front first? Well I guess it doesnt in your eyes. I mean all they did was simply port the game with an extra coat of paint and added a few minute extras. Why not have their own brand new RPG instead? Hell two new great RPG's just came from the PS2 in just a few months. So if the PS2 can produce such greatness why not the PS3 these days?

But then again Sony is infamous for grabbing stuff off of other consoles software and calling it their own arent they? Yep. But thats all good. Yes the PS2 IS a good console. I cant deny that. It has alot of great games on it. And STILL is producing alot of great titles. Thats the reason why I dont need a PS3. Cut the PS3 some slack? Why? Its the most powerful console out there.As well as the most expensive.

But yet its still hasnt shown anything that makes me say I gotta own one. Nothing gamewise anyway. I mean look at the Dreamcast. The DC showed more in the first 6 months than the PS3 has done currently in about 9 months now. I mean Resistance and Motorstorm? Who still talks about these games? These games are true reasons to own a PS3? If you say so. Halo 3 is truly a reason to want to own a 360. Metroid 3 is indeed a reason to want to own a Wii.

Any reason to buy a PS3 gamewise really wont arrive till 2008. Till then outside of Heavenly Sword what do you consider a system seller for the PS3 this year? I'm all ears!:idea:

I mean lets face it:If the PS3 didnt play PS2 games the PS3 would not have sold as many consoles. Bottom line. You know it and I know it. So far the PS3 has alot games. Unfortunately alot of those games are multiplayer titles that can also be played on another console thats also alot cheaper.:cool:

[thelastword]

But yet its still hasnt shown anything that makes me say I gotta own one.
My goodness man, if your argument is that the 360 has given you that royal signal from above, why haven't you heed the call. According to all of your posts so far this gen, it is the 360 that has shown you the reasons to own one. I'll help you, it is the 360 that has been here the longest, hell, it's the cheapest out of the two main systems...so why in the eff don't you own one? You've declared that it's games are great, then why can't you plop your effing coin after two years of holding it in higer regard over the other consoles. So the ultimate question is, if you don't have a 360 after 2 yrs, despite the fact that you can get a core for $279.00. Why in the eff would anyone expect that you would get a PS3 for $500.00 farless $600.00?

Nothing gamewise anyway. I mean look at the Dreamcast. The DC showed more in the first 6 months than the PS3 has done currently in about 9 months now. I mean Resistance and Motorstorm? Who still talks about these games? These games are true reasons to own a PS3? If you say so. Halo 3 is truly a reason to want to own a 360. Metroid 3 is indeed a reason to want to own a Wii.
Listen man, Resistance sold 2 million copies eons ago, It's very likely that it has exceeded the 3 million mark worldwide and heading to 4 mil atm. Motorstorm was 1 mil at the same time I saw this figure and it's most likely at or heading to 2 mil as well. A tonne of people bought PS3's in July and they bought Rfom and Mstorm (Mstorm iespecially in parts of Europe).

You want to know how long RFOM's legs are, it has a bigger thread than any exclusive game across the PS3 and the 360 on the most populated gaming forum out there and it's on the front page of that forum right now. Hell, a major RFOM tournament just ended recently for crying out loud, after months of play and competition. The finals was staged in NYC. I won't indicate to you the wave of people who come to this thread to confess how good this shooter is after playing the SP, but you are deluded to even attempt to downplay these games having not played them.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

You could have released "GENERIC SHOOTER #124vniowebnvc4" for PS3 at launch and it would have sold 5 million copies eventually. Gimmie a break.

[thelastword]

Generic? If RFOM was/is generic, isn't PDO and COD2 at the 360 launch generic just the same? So why didn't these generic 360 launch shooters sell 5 million copies as you're saying? Word of mouth is a strong thing, even moreso than a 10/10 review. When wave after wave after wave of gamers recommend a title, that speaks volumes about a title's quality, because more people are actually reporting the merits of the game and their experience from it than not.

[Mochan]

You could have released "GENERIC SHOOTER #124vniowebnvc4" for PS3 at launch and it would have sold 5 million copies eventually. Gimmie a break.

You mean like Halo? *snicker*

[theWacoKid]

Well, according to the following link, RFOM has sold 1.6million copies worldwide.

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=1893

Might not be the most accurate tally, but at least they don't pull figures out their ass like some pathetic sony stooge on this board. Yeah, it sold 2 mil eons ago, probably past 3 mil and heading to 4 mil. :rolleyes:

[Gadfly2317]

Good response, Neo.


I own a PS2 and I own an Xbox. I do plan to own a 360 by late September of this year. And a Wii by the end of this year. That's cool. Buy the system that appeals to you most. Those are systems worth owning. Since you've waited this long on 360 I don't blame you for waiting for bundles, price drops, and for the 65nm chipset which HOPEFULLY gets rid of the 30% failure rate. If they can't get it down to a Wii/Ps3 level of reliability (Wii has a 1% failure rate) its still gonna be irritating for a lot of gamers with broken consoles.



SO you say why do I care its a port? Lets see. I find if funny that when the Ninja Gaiden Sigma commericial comes on in big bold letters it say"This is the reason you bought a PS3!" That to me is funny as hell! This is the reason to spend $500 bucks? For a four year old Xbox port with 3 extra levels, a fresh coat of paint, and a few new animations? I thought that was really stupid too. Ninja Gaiden Sigma is not the reason to buy a Ps3. But owning a Ps3 is a good reason to buy Ninja Gaiden Sigma. I loved that game, it's a classic. There are times when extra levels and "a fresh coat of paint" as you call it (in this case seriously upgraded graphics) are worth buying. Most people's Xbox will die someday, and playing the old Ninja Gaiden via emulation on 360 is simply not as cool as playing the spiffed out Ps3 build.

Oblivion: You say why should it matter that this game was on the 360/ PC front first? Well I guess it doesnt in your eyes. I mean all they did was simply port the game with an extra coat of paint and added a few minute extras. Why not have their own brand new RPG instead? Hell two new great RPG's just came from the PS2 in just a few months. So if the PS2 can produce such greatness why not the PS3 these days? RPG's take a long time to make. Ps3 has RPG's on the way, but again, like you, until recently I didn't own a 360 or a Ps3. So, I wanted to play Oblivion. I don't care where it was first. Oblivion was not a key reason I picked up a Ps3, but it is a plus that it was a game I wanted to play, and the Ps3 version is graphically superior. Dismissing something as a "port with extra coat of paint" doesn't really mean much. Most games are multiplat. Big deal. It was on 360 first because 360 came out first. Most multiplats next year will release at the same time. But there is no logical reason at all if you don't have a next gen system why it matters if the game was on Pc or 360 or wherever. A good game is a good game wherever it is at.

But then again Sony is infamous for grabbing stuff off of other consoles software and calling it their own arent they? Yep. NOPE. How do you figure? MS is VERY famous for grabbing stuff and calling it their own, and I'm not just talking game consoles. From browsers, to media players, to windows itself, MS has always been one to take others ideas. Look at how they entered the console business. What stuff off of other consoles is Sony famous for grabbing? This gen MS has worked hard to payoff companies for old Sony franchises: GTA, Devil May Cry, Final Fantasy, Soul Caliber, and many many more. WHAT stuff are referring to that Sony has taken from another console?

But thats all good. Yes the PS2 IS a good console. I cant deny that. It has alot of great games on it. And STILL is producing alot of great titles. Thats the reason why I dont need a PS3. Cut the PS3 some slack? Why? Its the most powerful console out there.As well as the most expensive. It isn't the most expensive when you look at what you get. The 60gb with the Ps2 chipset was the same price as the Elite, and it has WAY more capabilities, and its not junky hardware with a 30% Red Anus of Death failure rate. I wanted a Ps3 for Ps3 titles, but it was nice to remove the Ps2 from under my TV and still be able to play Ps2 games upscaled to 1080i. That's a NICE extra if you are into games. HD movie playback, damn nice feature. HDMI and Wifi, damn nice features. You get what you pay for, and somethings true COST is not just measured by its sticker price, but by its VALUE. 360 is CHEAPER, and I mean that in every sense of the word.

I mean Resistance and Motorstorm? Who still talks about these games? These games are true reasons to own a PS3? I love Motorstorm. Resistance? It got great review scores and sold millions of copies if you are just worried about sales. I'm not FPS connoseur, but I did download and play the Resistence demo and was blown away. Any 360 FPS fan is lying if they say that if this game had came out as a 360 exclusive they would have not had interest in it, or that it wouldn't have been a feather in the 360's cap, right along side Halo 3, Bioshock, and other great shooters on the 360.

Any reason to buy a PS3 gamewise really wont arrive till 2008. Till then outside of Heavenly Sword what do you consider a system seller for the PS3 this year? I'm all ears!:idea: By your logic there was no reason for anyone to buy a 360 until two years in. . . which is what you are doing. That's fine. Not everyone can afford a console in its first year.

There's plenty of reason game-wise to choose a Ps3 this year. There are great games now, even if there are fewer than the 2 year old 360. But what does it matter to guys like you and me who are just now buying the system? Games take time to play. Why be so shortsighted? You are still getting value out your Ps2, but you could trade it in and still play your Ps2 games upscaled. There are several great exclusives and a lot of great multiplats to play. 360, just like any console is hitting its second year sweetspot, but I'm not interested in playing the "shortsighted" game.

You say "outside of Heavenly Sword what could be considered a system seller". . . and most people were saying last year "out side of Gears of War what could be considered a system seller." You act like the Ps3 isn't going to have a second year just like 360 had a second year, and second years are better than the first. In the meantime, like I said, games take time to play. I will be playing 2007 Ps3 games well into 2008 when even bigger and better titles will be dropping.

Long term value. The Ps3 delivers so much now, and its only 8 months old. It's delivering more than the 360 did at this stage, and we know what's on the way. HD movie playback and upscaled Ps2 games (and like you said, there are still great Ps2 games coming) are just like really good icing on the cake. The cake is that the Ps3 is an awesome game system with great titles now and in the pipeline, and its solid hardware, not high-failure crap like the 360 currently is. That's why I bought a Ps3 now, and decided the 360 could wait until MS can get the system to stop falling apart all the time.

[thelastword]

Well, according to the following link, RFOM has sold 1.6million copies worldwide.

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=1893

Might not be the most accurate tally, but at least they don't pull figures out their ass like some pathetic sony stooge on this board. Yeah, it sold 2 mil eons ago, probably past 3 mil and heading to 4 mil. :rolleyes:

Here we go...

Sony: Sorry for Cathedral Shootout Game
Jun 15 03:09 PM US/Eastern
By JILL LAWLESS

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LONDON (AP) - Sony Corp. apologized Friday to the Church of England for a violent computer game that features a bloody shootout inside an Anglican cathedral.

The church had demanded withdrawal of the game "Resistance: Fall of Man," which includes a gunbattle between an American soldier and aliens inside a building that resembles Manchester Cathedral in northwest England.

The cathedral's dean, the Very Rev. Rogers Govender, said he had received a letter from Sony.

"It was not our intention to cause offense by using a representation of Manchester Cathedral in chapter eight of the work," the letter said. "If we have done so, we sincerely apologize."

A Sony spokesman confirmed the letter was genuine and said it included the offer of a meeting between Sony representatives and church officials. Govender said the cathedral would accept the offer. He thanked Sony for the apology, but underlined the church's opposition to violence, "and especially the gun violence seen in this portrayal of the cathedral."

He said the church wanted to discuss its outstanding demands, which include withdrawal of the game and a donation to the church's education department, which works to fight gun violence in Manchester.

Earlier this week, the church called for Japanese citizens to join in a campaign against the game, which was manufactured for Sony's new PlayStation 3 console.

"For a global manufacturer to recreate the interior of any religious building such as a mosque, synagogue, or in this case, a cathedral, with photo realistic quality and then encourage people to have gunbattles in the building is beyond belief and in our view highly irresponsible," Govender said Wednesday.

Prime Minister Tony Blair told lawmakers that companies like Sony should focus on their wider social responsibilities and not just profit. The church was particularly concerned because Manchester has a history of gang-related gun violence.

In its letter, Sony said it did not accept "that there is any connection between contemporary issues in 21st century Manchester and the work of science fiction in which a fictitious 1950s Britain is under attack by aliens."

"We believe a comprehensive viewing of the work will make its content and context clear," Sony said, adding that "Resistance: Fall of Man" has sold more than 2 million units around the world.


Now that was in early June and I have seen Rfom as well as MStorm in every weekly euro charttrack. The boost in console sales in the US have given Rfom another spike in the sales department as it was in the top Twenty of Amazon sales for weeks after the PS3 price drop. Rfom may not have been a instant multimillion seller, but there is no doubt that it's moving off the shelves in the US and the UK every single month.

The reason I believe it's over 3 million has moreso to do with the recent pricedrop and bundle deals available in the US, the UK and Austraila, it should be noted that the PS3 was recently launched in Korea as well. If RFOM was over 2 million worldwide in early June, there's the rest of June, the whole of July, where it got a major spike (due to new PS3 owners plopping their monies down due to the pricedrop in the US and the 80gb bundles in Europe) and since I'm talking up to this very minute, it's easily above 3 mil IMO. You ask anybody who bought their PS3's recently and 8-9/10 will tell you that they picked up RFOM with it. I made an assumption on the figure which is very likely by all scenarios, and I have posted concrete confirmation that overrides your figure from VGchartz.

[theWacoKid]

Blah, blah, blah, snip.

Sold through to retailers is not sold thru to consumers, genius. And you quoting sony PR is a frickin hoot. You don't believe MS pr, they're all frickin liars, but sony, they tell the honest to god truth. :rolleyes:

What you assume Ps3 owners are picking up with their ps3s is irrelevant. You're a sony stooge and I got news for you, nobody gives a sh#$ what you believe, only what you can prove and you haven't proved squat.

[thelastword]

Sold through to retailers is not sold thru to consumers, genius. And you quoting sony PR is a frickin hoot. You don't believe MS pr, they're all frickin liars, but sony, they tell the honest to god truth. :rolleyes:

What you assume Ps3 owners are picking up with their ps3s is irrelevant. You're a sony stooge and I got news for you, nobody gives a sh#$ what you believe, only what you can prove and you haven't proved squat.Who is in more of a position to declare the sales units of it's games? SONY or the NPD? or is it ioi from vgchartz, (who estimates most of his figures through formulas). These chart trackers mentioned don't get concrete figures from huge retailers like Walmart for e.g, (moreso the NPD), but rather estimate what they believe these retailers would push. When Midway/MS announced that Gears sold 4 million I didn't question that, the fact is, Sony have declared that they sold over 2 million copies of RFOM in early June, I'll take that figure over the estimated figures of these chart tracks as it would be more accurate.

I'm in no way dismissing the relevance of the NPD or such, but I'm more inclined to use the figures from the source than not when they are available.

[theWacoKid]

Who is in more of a position to declare the sales units of it's games? SONY or the NPD? or is it ioi from vgchartz, (who estimates most of his figures through formulas). These chart trackers mentioned don't get concrete figures from huge retailers like Walmart for e.g, (moreso the NPD), but rather estimate what they believe these retailers would push. When Midway/MS announced that Gears sold 4 million I didn't question that, the fact is, Sony have declared that they sold over 2 million copies of RFOM in early June, I'll take that figure over the estimated figures of these chart tracks as it would be more accurate.

I'm in no way dismissing the relevance of the NPD or such, but I'm more inclined to use the figures from the source than not when they are available.

Sold to retailers is NOT sold to consumers, end of fu#$ing story.

[Slashes-With-Claws]

You ask anybody who bought their PS3's recently and 8-9/10 will tell you that they picked up RFOM with it.


I did. :)

I bought my PS3 after the price drop and picked up Resistance and Motorstorm at the same time. Actually I had to go to another store to get Resistance; the one I was at was sold out. Had to go to three stores to find any PS3s as well, all but one were sold out, and they had only one PS3 left at the time.

[thelastword]

Sold to retailers is NOT sold to consumers, end of fu#$ing story.Listen man, you said that RFOM sold 1.6 million units, I gave you a more up to date figure from early June , you want to declare that it's sold to retailers then so be it, but the onus is on you to prove it so. The fact is, I proved to you that RFOM was over the figure you provided, since you made the accusastaion that I was talking out of my ass. Then you go into your usual bs motion that this is Sony PR bla bla bla, Sony lies, bla bla bla and accuse me of calling MS out on their PR figures so that we could be in stead. It's a lost case with you, I state a case based on memory you shoot the sh!t, I provide numbers to substantiate, you shoot more baseless sh!t, you cry..Sony PR... lies lies lies.

You can't deny all I've said on the issue, I've stated my arguments as to why I took my stance and all the pools of evidence and arguments I've pushed forward have merit. You took a figure from Vgchartz which is run by one man, and may not be as up to date, I provided you a more up to date figure, from the effing Publisher of RFOM, so by all means carry on with your whackism.

[thelastword]

I did. :)

I bought my PS3 after the price drop and picked up Resistance and Motorstorm at the same time. Actually I had to go to another store to get Resistance; the one I was at was sold out. Had to go to three stores to find any PS3s as well, all but one were sold out, and they had only one PS3 left at the time.
Rfom:
Many people did just the same, the online community for this game is massive, the SP is top caliber and the MP is a whole lot of fun, the polish of the game is ace, the butter smooth framerate is ace, the fluid controls, the lagfree online service on dedicated servers (wordwide play) is ace. So it's definitely a must play on the PS3, not because it's a launch game but moreso that it's a top notch quality title.

Mstorm on the other hand lacked certain modes when it launched, but the core racing is spectacular, the graphics are unbelievable, 12 racers online just can't be denied. Since then, the time attack mode was added and certain loading time tweaks were made as well, there are a couple of tracks coming later in the month, eliminator mode and new vehicles as well. These are definitely the premier "PS3 showcase titles" atm. Must buys, upon PS3 purchase IMO.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

Um, if either RFOM or Mstorm were 360 games, we wouldn't care, cause they are very run-of-the-mill titles.

RFOM HIDES lag very well (though there is plenty), but the online multiplayer is among the most shallow of FPS I've ever played.

MOTORSTORM is a victim of it's own hype. Much like Sony pimped Killzone 2 and it turned out getting shamed by Unreal 3 engine games when it came time to show actual gameplay footage, so the same can be said for Mstorm. I will admit, I would buy Mstorm because it is the type of racing game I like...arcadey, shallow, fast, ruthless...too bad Burnout Paradise is gonna be the standard for arcade racing...and from PS3's current track record with multiplatform games, it's going to be best on 360...and even still PS3 has no custom soundtracks.

[ilnadmy]

How do you hide lag? If you don't see any lag, well then it's not there.

[Mochan]

Wow, who invented a method to hide lag? Won't comment on RFOM itself I never played the game and don't intend to for as long as it has no mouse support, but lag isn't something you can "hide" if you could I'd be gaming with you guys left and right from half a world away.

Motorstorm I don't care for at all.

[Fivespot]

I hide mine in the fridge behind the crab juice. Blech.

[theWacoKid]

Listen man, you said that RFOM sold 1.6 million units, I gave you a more up to date figure from early June , you want to declare that it's sold to retailers then so be it, but the onus is on you to prove it so. The fact is, I proved to you that RFOM was over the figure you provided, since you made the accusastaion that I was talking out of my ass. Then you go into your usual bs motion that this is Sony PR bla bla bla, Sony lies, bla bla bla and accuse me of calling MS out on their PR figures so that we could be in stead. It's a lost case with you, I state a case based on memory you shoot the sh!t, I provide numbers to substantiate, you shoot more baseless sh!t, you cry..Sony PR... lies lies lies.

You can't deny all I've said on the issue, I've stated my arguments as to why I took my stance and all the pools of evidence and arguments I've pushed forward have merit. You took a figure from Vgchartz which is run by one man, and may not be as up to date, I provided you a more up to date figure, from the effing Publisher of RFOM, so by all means carry on with your whackism.

Proved?! WTF kind of sony juice are you on? You have sony claiming to have sold 2 mil to retailers in june. I got news for you, you pathetic sony fanboy, sony hasn't sold sh#$ in the last 2 months, not in Europe, not in japan and not here. MAJOR sales spike, ROFLMAO!! From what, disastrous to mediocre. Yet your ignorant sony loving ass wants to claim that sony has sold another million copies of RFOM. To who, dumbass? They sure in sh#$ didn't sell 1 million ps3s in the last two months.

You make assinine statements that the RFOM attach rate is up to 90% for new ps3 onwers. That's completely talking out your ass. The only numbers you've provided are from effin sony who are going to inflate sales figures to make themselves look good and those are sales to retailers NOT to end consumers.

I don't have to prove anything, fanboy, you're the numbskull sony fan with zero credibility who pulls crap out his ass on a continual basis with nothing but sony PR to back him up. I already posted the lastest and most up to date figures on resistance sales, sorry they don't jibe with your delusional figures that RFOM is approaching 4 million as we speak.

There's stupid, but you are in a whole other category of stupidity and denial. You waste people's time with your drivel.

[thelastword]

The only numbers you've provided are from effin sony who are going to inflate sales figures to make themselves look good
The gist of your bull is quoted above, so typical, and of course you can't prove your bsing pile, so what's new. Eff effing eff, dude you're over.

[thelastword]

Um, if either RFOM or Mstorm were 360 games, we wouldn't care, cause they are very run-of-the-mill titles. When you say WE what do you mean? you mean xbots? The same xbots who are pimping titles like Lost planet as if it were a triple AAA title, you mean the same bots who pimp titles like Splinter Cell, where run of the mill describes the series to a T, hell, so much so, that they're trying to shake things up a tonne after the last one was seen as subpar and more of the same. How about Dead Rising, how original and not run-of-the-mill :rolleyes: pfft, give me a a break.


RFOM HIDES lag very well (though there is plenty), but the online multiplayer is among the most shallow of FPS I've ever played. Most ignorant quote of the century....I hope you stay under the hood checking out how Insomniac cheated their way to a lagfree affair for RFOM. Whilst Rfom owners continue to play this gem online and wished that other games were this smooth and polished online. I'm sure your P2P service of lag was perfectly engineered and they don't mask lag like the guys at Sony do.....The gist? you're pathetic.


MOTORSTORM is a victim of it's own hype. Much like Sony pimped Killzone 2 and it turned out getting shamed by Unreal 3 engine games when it came time to show actual gameplay footage, so the same can be said for Mstorm. I will admit, I would buy Mstorm because it is the type of racing game I like...arcadey, shallow, fast, ruthless...too bad Burnout Paradise is gonna be the standard for arcade racing...and from PS3's current track record with multiplatform games, it's going to be best on 360...and even still PS3 has no custom soundtracks.
Motorstorm is the second best selling game on the PS3, it has sold more copies than ForzaHD worldwide, hell, Forza was just recently being sold at $40 dollars at a certain retailer. You know what people want in games? FUN, that's the bottomline, the sooner you know it, the better you'll be.

As for KZ2, the target render shown at E3 2005 was delivered upon. Killzone looks amazingly great and it's tech is second to none of the shooters slated for 2007, none, and here we were shown the pre-alpha footage of the game. It's lighting system is more complex and more cpu intensive than pure HDR lighting, if the lighting system is disabled in Kzone you see absolutely nothing, If a shot is taken at that instance, all you would see is a dark void, the lightsources in the game reflects unto surrounding objects and illuminates objects and the environ.

The particle effects are second to none, NONE, the lightning blasts, the smoke effects and vehicle exhaust are uncontested. You've got to be an absolute RTCW junkie to deny KZONE. Deferred rendering, where the IQ is pristine, with not a jaggie in sight, where the gun is a high-poly beast that shakes realistically to reflect movement. Insanely detailed chars that puts crysis chars to shame, is it that KZone? cause if it is, you're plain and insane.

Still though, you spoke about UT3 and I've always maintained that EPIC are absolute graphical wizards. UT3 will look amazing, the marriage of superb art, great textures and rock solid particle effects at a buttersmooth clip, will blend itself into a perfect symphony. The thing is though, Kzone still outclips UT3 overall and there's much improvement to come by the time it releases in 2008, there's just too much oomph overall in Kzone as of now, and yet we're going to see more of the game and it's progress in the coming months, more levels, vehicles, wider levels, bosses etc...

Personally, based on the shooters shown so far for the year, I rate them in this order (graphically and technically), Kzone, UT3, Crysis and then COD4, all amazing looking games, this is really what next gen is all about IMO, no one should be ashamed of any of these titles on a graphical and technical stand. I'm hoping that they're all stellar in the gameplay department just the same.

[Gadfly2317]

Um, if either RFOM or Mstorm were 360 games, we wouldn't care, cause they are very run-of-the-mill titles.

I believe that is a load of crap. And you say "we." Resistance was a LAUNCH TITLE for christs sake. If Resistance had been a 360 launch title it would have sold well and all 360 fans would be touting it, period. To pretend otherwise is just stupid. 360 has some seriously kick ass games coming out towards the end of its second year, but to pretend that Resistance is run-of-the-mill compared to the 360's first year up to Gears. . .

I mean, come on, what was on 360 in its first 12 months that makes Resistance look "run of the mill????" COD2, a game available everywhere including your moms cell phone?

Take a time out, find your integrity and credibility, and then resume posting. Thanks

[Gadfly2317]

Personally, based on the shooters shown so far for the year, I rate them in this order (graphically and technically), Kzone, UT3, Crysis and then COD4, all amazing looking games, this is really what next gen is all about IMO, no one should be ashamed of any of these titles on a graphical and technical stand. I'm hoping that they're all stellar in the gameplay department just the same.

You need to get some credibility too. Try to discriminate between being a fan, and being a fanboy. Is it really that painful to include a 360 shooter in your list? Hopefully you just forgot Bioshock. . . I mean, for christs sake, I'm a Nintendo whore and I also like Sony alot, but there's no denying how freaking cool Bioshock looks in both its graphics and its gameplay.

[theWacoKid]

You need to get some credibility too. Try to discriminate between being a fan, and being a fanboy. Is it really that painful to include a 360 shooter in your list? Hopefully you just forgot Bioshock. . . I mean, for christs sake, I'm a Nintendo whore and I also like Sony alot, but there's no denying how freaking cool Bioshock looks in both its graphics and its gameplay.

You're trying to reason with a whack-a-doodle sony milkdrinking nutjob. No, Bioshock wasn't forgotten, it was deliberately left off for all the obvious reasons.

[thelastword]

You need to get some credibility too. Try to discriminate between being a fan, and being a fanboy. Is it really that painful to include a 360 shooter in your list? Hopefully you just forgot Bioshock. . . I mean, for christs sake, I'm a Nintendo whore and I also like Sony alot, but there's no denying how freaking cool Bioshock looks in both its graphics and its gameplay.Bioshock is very a stellar looking game, as a matter of fact, I place it above Cod4. My list should have been five. I apologize, I do give credit where it's due and Bioshock appears to be a rock solid effort on all fronts, let's not forget fly, that it's not a 360 exclusive, it's also on the PC and I do have a PC that will run it at max detail, so the exclusion in my post was certainly not intentional.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

KZ looks good but it doesn't reach the target render of 05. Just look at any of the side by side comparsions on the net.


there's just too much oomph overall in Kzone as of now,

Well since there is "too much oomph" you better tell Sony to use some KY the way you're bent over for them. You've got to be sore.

Honestly how many lies and exaggerations do you have to put in one post.

Complete an utter joke. (eagerly awaiting themadgamers response "you're no better than he is blah blah blah")

Do you have any proof of Mstorm outselling Forza???

[Tappy_Tibbons]

Killzone 2 looks like the "me too" shooter of the decade.

[thelastword]

Do you have any proof of Mstorm outselling Forza???Mstorm has sold more than Forza. Mstorm has done extremely well in Europe and it's been a while since it sold a mil. I can refer you to Vgchartz where you will see that, but even then, the figure won't be the most up to date.

[thelastword]

KZ looks good but it doesn't reach the target render of 05. Just look at any of the side by side comparsions on the net.
Dude that was pre alpha footage, there's still some ways to go before KZone ships. The devs themselves have declared that in some ways they have exceeded certain parts of 05. As for the pre-alpha footage of killzone I'll say they're eerily close, atleast 97%, the rest of the dev time available to them should take them ahead. The point is, no one is worried about Kzone's graphics, I've always been stating how talented these guys were with tech, right now they should put most of their effort into the gameplay, from what I've seen they're on track, I'm saying get everything rounded. Thing is, there's no doubt that Kzone will be a eyeball popper on release, nobody doubts that. No sane gamer however denies that it will look even better than what we've seen in it's pre alpha stage.

[Gadfly2317]

What is it about Killzone that I'm supposed to be excited about? What is it bringing new to the shooter genre? So many of these games feel the same to me. I don't know squat about Killzone, or this great gameplay to which you refer, because after seeing the screens I was too bored to even read about it. But if you could kinda sum it up for me in a few sentences, that would help.

[Glockstar]

Killzone Summation: It's about great graphics, dude!

[ilnadmy]

FPS isn't the genre to look at if you want something new and innovative, with the exception of BioShock and maybe Crysis. In general most FPS shooters are the same over and over again. That's why the Japanese don't really dig them.

[Pandarbock]

Well I thought maybe I would stop by and put my two cents in having just purchased a ps3 60gb last Wed. First of all while I can't say that backwards compatibility is the biggest of selling points for getting a system, it was one of the major reasons I decided to get the ps3 sooner rather than later (well that and the 10% off i got on the system as well as the 5 free movies deal). Mainly I have 30 ps2 games and no ps2 and I figure after the 60gb is all gone and the 80gb with software only emulation takes over, ps2 emulation will be even more broken than the 360's already is. It seemed pointless to spend 129 on a ps2 and possibly 350 on the 360 (which i had considered doing), to play the two multiplat games I really want to play ps3/360 only (re5 and assassins creed), so for me it seemed a better deal just to do it all in one package and save myself a bit of money (as well as have built in hdmi out) at 450 after the price drop and 10% discount. I do have to say with the added texture filtering AA and screen smoothing as well as upscaled to 1080i on my tv is quite nice.

Second of all, while I can't say Ninja Gaiden Sigma is a system seller, it is definately a must have for anyone that owns a ps3 or that hasn't played the original on the xbox as the game is quite amazing visually as well as retaining the amazing gameplay of the original.

Finally I have to say outside of resistance, motorstorm, and ninja gaiden sigma it is no lie that the ps3 has jack and **** worth mentioning out for it right now, that isn't also done elsewhere and probably better. Having played most of the demos avalible on the psn store, it has reaffrimed that to me. The ps3 does look to possibly have a good holiday season game wise but there is only about two future games I am looking forward to and will probably get before years end and they are Folklore and Heavenly Sword.

[thelastword]

What is it about Killzone that I'm supposed to be excited about? What is it bringing new to the shooter genre? So many of these games feel the same to me. I don't know squat about Killzone, or this great gameplay to which you refer, because after seeing the screens I was too bored to even read about it. But if you could kinda sum it up for me in a few sentences, that would help.First of all, I was discussing the graphics in response to the downplayers. I was speaking of the gameplay shown in the extended footage shown after the official unveiling, where there's a real solid looking first person cover system in play, where the animation is the best I've seen in any fps to-date. As it relates to other aspects of the gameplay, we will see more later, but the hudless feature is quite nice, in comparison to the crowded screens we see in fps now a days. A fps where the weather affects you, where alternative paths could be taken to get to a specific target or destination. What I've seen looks solid and there's suppose to be many previews ahead as well as an MP beta later in the year. Leipzig is only next week, there's alot that's going to be unveiled there, so we are likely to see more soon. The september issue of GI, which rated Bioshock a 10, also has a preview on Kzone in that very mag.

[ilnadmy]

Congrats on your purchase Pandarbock.

BTW anyone receive their 5 Blu-ray movies yet? I sent in for mine ages ago and haven't received jack sh** yet.

[thelastword]

Mainly I have 30 ps2 games and no ps2 and I figure after the 60gb is all gone and the 80gb with software only emulation takes over, ps2 emulation will be even more broken than the 360's already is. Well congratulations on the PS3, but please keep the bsing FUD out. PS2 emulation via software is in the mid 90's as we speak. There's hardly a game in your library you won't be able to play, so to declare that PS2 emulation will be worse than the 360's, speaks only of a mixture of ignorance and crack on your part. You are clueless, software emulation was already at 90 percent when the firmware allowing it came along, there's been many additions and improvements to the emu code since then. How many threads have you witnessed where anybody is crying, not being able to play their PS2 games? I mean come off it. This is plain BS. The 80Gb's emu is rock effin solid...95%+ and firmware 2.0 is just around the corner to improve upon that percentage even more. To compare any form of PS3's bc to that of the 360 is just plain mind-effin-boggling, people just can't be so ignorant.

[ilnadmy]

How many threads have you witnessed where anybody is crying, not being able to play their PS2 games? I mean come off it. This is plain BS. The 80Gb's emu is rock effin solid

Dude no one here has the 80 GB PS3 yet, so we wouldn't know what the emulation is like.

[Pandarbock]

How many threads have you witnessed where anybody is crying, not being able to play their PS2 games?

Well no **** there, every ps3 so far sold in the us (pre 80gb) has included the ps2 hardware and most of the glitches people have had that have been fixed that i have read on games involved upscaling issues as well as in the case of the hdd ps2 games, they didn't have that running till 1.8 i think it was. So I have to wonder how many new issues will start popping up the more folks buy the 80gb with the hardware removed, because complete software emulation of a system never results in anywhere close too 100% compatibility across the board.


Well congratulations on the PS3, but please keep the bsing FUD out. PS2 emulation via software is in the mid 90's as we speak. There's hardly a game in your library you won't be able to play, so to declare that PS2 emulation will be worse than the 360's speaks of a mixture of ignorance and crack. You are clueless, software emulation was already at 90 percent when the firmware allowing it came along, there's been many additions and improvements to the emu code since then. How many threads have you witnessed where anybody is crying, not being able to play their PS2 games? I mean come off it. This is plain BS. The 80Gb's emu is rock effin solid...95%+ and firmware 2.0 is just around the corner to improve upon that percentage even more. To compare anyform of PS3's bc to that of the 360 is just plain bollocks.

There is a **** load more ps2 games then xbox games so i can gaurantee that as a percentage the ps2 library will has alot more non greatest hits titles (you know them niche titles that sold like less than 100k) that sony and or the original game designer are not going to bother to make game specific patches to allow 100% non glitch fest in a portion of the games when software emulation takes over in the 80gb and beyond models. So i guess in a sense it probably isn't worse than the xbox 360, but I am sure alot more ps2 games won't be compatible flawlessly with the 80gb for awhile, just because of the sheer number of titles on ps1/ps2. Guess I really don't have to worry though as the ps2 chipset in my system and damned if every game i have thrown at it so far has worked flawlessly :D

[Cuddly Knife]

Didn't they already take out the PS2 chip in the UK?

And Word, go smoke a doob or something. It might help clear out some of the sand in your vagina. Damn, you're about as bad as Waco. Both of you just seem to want to trash on everything, even if they're on your side. Cripes.

[Pandarbock]

Congrats on your purchase Pandarbock.

BTW anyone receive their 5 Blu-ray movies yet? I sent in for mine ages ago and haven't received jack sh** yet.

Haven't sent off for them yet and now maybe I won't :( not sure I want to deface my box to send the upc off into oblivion for the hope of getting 5 (mostly ****ty) movies. Strange thing is I can't find anywhere the expected wait time to recieve them back. Has it been the standard mail-in rebate style wait time for you 8-10 weeks and still nothing?

[thelastword]

Dude no one here has the 80 GB PS3 yet, so we wouldn't know what the emulation is like.You don't need an 80Gb PS3 to know what software emulation is like. The European PS3's always had software emulation, they're just getting a higher capacity HDD. The 80 gigs are available in the US now, but it's the same emulation that's working in both consoles. Even your 60 gig PS3 rides on software emu more often than not, there's no big issue with BC on the PS3.

[thelastword]

Well no **** there, every ps3 so far sold in the us (pre 80gb) has included the ps2 hardware and most of the glitches people have had that have been fixed that i have read on games involved upscaling issues as well as in the case of the hdd ps2 games, they didn't have that running till 1.8 i think it was. So I have to wonder how many new issues will start popping up the more folks buy the 80gb with the hardware removed, because complete software emulation of a system never results in anywhere close too 100% compatibility across the board. Dude why do you care that it's 100% bc, do you own every PS2 game? No then be done with it, because you're just assuming negative BS. I mean if you had an 80 gigger and you were trying your games and it didn't work, fine, but you're assuming things with no evidence and which is just not true according to reports and the effin BC compatibility list which is up for perusal by anyone who can read. Hell, Sony doesn't even update that list much anymore, certain titles Sony said had slight issues on the emu release now work flawlessy, there have been several firmware updates improving the emu on these units which was already rock solid.


There is a **** load more ps2 games then xbox games so i can gaurantee that as a percentage the ps2 library will has alot more non greatest hits titles (you know them niche titles that sold like less than 100k) that sony and or the original game designer are not going to bother to make game specific patches to allow 100% non glitch fest in a portion of the games when software emulation takes over in the 80gb and beyond models. So i guess in a sense it probably isn't worse than the xbox 360, but I am sure alot more ps2 games won't be compatible flawlessly with the 80gb for awhile, just because of the sheer number of titles on ps1/ps2. Guess I really don't have to worry though as the ps2 chipset in my system and damned if every game i have thrown at it so far has worked flawlessly :DI guess, I think, I guess, I think.......endless nonsense. You know what, you don't even have an 80 gigger and you're talking smack. If you don't know about something and are guessing, then you just shouldn't do so. These systems are not new to the world for crying out loud.....Their BC is effin documented...80 gig owners do not get gimped BC....end of story.

[ilnadmy]

Haven't sent off for them yet and now maybe I won't :( not sure I want to deface my box to send the upc off into oblivion for the hope of getting 5 (mostly ****ty) movies. Strange thing is I can't find anywhere the expected wait time to recieve them back. Has it been the standard mail-in rebate style wait time for you 8-10 weeks and still nothing?

Dunno, I sent in for my movies ages ago, and so far I haven't heard a single thing from them, let alone got my movies. What's sort of annoying is I'm moving in about 2 weeks' time, and if so I'll have to get someone else to check my mail for me and let me know if I receive something. I'd say I sent it out at the beginning of July maybe?

[Mochan]

FPS isn't the genre to look at if you want something new and innovative, with the exception of BioShock and maybe Crysis. In general most FPS shooters are the same over and over again. That's why the Japanese don't really dig them.

Strictly speaking JRPGs aren't the genre for innovation either yet the Japanese are eating those up like crazy. Blue Dragon is the epitome of "non-innovative" and still sold the best for the 360 in Japan.

Oh and please include Stalker in the list of innovations for FPS that one is cut from the same cloth as Bioshock. Probably not as good but still the same.

[Mochan]

I believe that is a load of crap. And you say "we." Resistance was a LAUNCH TITLE for christs sake. If Resistance had been a 360 launch title it would have sold well and all 360 fans would be touting it, period. To pretend otherwise is just stupid. 360 has some seriously kick ass games coming out towards the end of its second year, but to pretend that Resistance is run-of-the-mill compared to the 360's first year up to Gears. . .

I mean, come on, what was on 360 in its first 12 months that makes Resistance look "run of the mill????" COD2, a game available everywhere including your moms cell phone?

Take a time out, find your integrity and credibility, and then resume posting. Thanks

Hey don't knock on COD2! I bet it's at least as good as Resistance! Gaddie I know you've never played Call of Duty but if you haven't you really can't knock it, the experience from playing a Call of Duty game is unparalleled anywhere.

I made comparisons to Resistance and Call of Duty back when Resistance was still called I8, I don't know if Resistance turned out like CoD (not having played it) but Call of Duty is still a game you simply have to play to appeciate. Reviews and word of mouth don't do it justice.


That said I've also said it if Resistance came out on the 360 the XBots would be all over it, and we all know it, even the XBots do, no matter how much they public deny it.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

FPS isn't the genre to look at if you want something new and innovative, with the exception of BioShock and maybe Crysis. In general most FPS shooters are the same over and over again. That's why the Japanese don't really dig them.

Yea, the Japanese NEVER make games that are the same over and over again do they? In fact, every Japanese game ever made is completely original and genre defining.

[Pandarbock]

You don't need an 80Gb PS3 to know what software emulation is like. The European PS3's always had software emulation, they're just getting a higher capacity HDD. The 80 gigs are available in the US now, but it's the same emulation that's working in both consoles. Even your 60 gig PS3 rides on software emu more often than not, there's no big issue with BC on the PS3.

And it looks like there is alot of 1 and 2 bars on ps2 games on the eu compatibility chart here http://faq.eu.playstation.com/bc/bcGames.htm interesting i should see this if it is 95% like you claim. I am however not going to bother arguing with you on the subject anymore as I will probably be playing the system I actually bought rather than trying to proclaim to people that a system I don't even own is something it is not.

[Horngreen]

This thread is retarded. He's saying PS3 lacks games. But, we all know the problem is only temporarily and it will be solved in the future. Yes, the argument can be made at the present time but then how is 360 a better choice? Like Gadfly said, you can't make a sounded debate with something like 360 on the plate. A machine that has made famous to the world with its 30%+ failure rate is better worth of 400+ dollars?

And, still, he has neither. What does he know really? It's like watching him trying to argue the benefit of having either jeans or pants when he runs around butt naked all the time.


A temporary lack of games? Are we not approching the one year mark since launch? How long will you happily wait?

[Gadfly2317]

Hey don't knock on COD2! I bet it's at least as good as Resistance! Gaddie I know you've never played Call of Duty but if you haven't you really can't knock it, the experience from playing a Call of Duty game is unparalleled anywhere.

I made comparisons to Resistance and Call of Duty back when Resistance was still called I8, I don't know if Resistance turned out like CoD (not having played it) but Call of Duty is still a game you simply have to play to appeciate. Reviews and word of mouth don't do it justice.


That said I've also said it if Resistance came out on the 360 the XBots would be all over it, and we all know it, even the XBots do, no matter how much they public deny it.


The point wasn't to knock COD2; the point was that the bots dis the Ps3's first, what, eight months now and call Resistance "run of the mill" when during the same period of the 360's cycle the same game, if it had been exclusive there, would have been one of the 360's best shooters, and treated by bots as such.

COD2 is on every platform, I think, that was my point about COD2.

[Mochan]

Ah, I see. I misunderstood what you meant, it seemed like you were dismissing COD2. I think COD3 is the game on all platforms. COD2 is only for 360 and PC.

[thelastword]

And it looks like there is alot of 1 and 2 bars on ps2 games on the eu compatibility chart here http://faq.eu.playstation.com/bc/bcGames.htm interesting i should see this if it is 95% like you claim. I am however not going to bother arguing with you on the subject anymore as I will probably be playing the system I actually bought rather than trying to proclaim to people that a system I don't even own is something it is not.Bock, Sony no longer updates these lists anymore, at least not regularly. Thing is, these bc guys are actual perfectionists, any slight fmv frame skip, they marked it down on the emu release, sometimes, even as unplayable. As for now, games you will see with one compatibility bar, works flawlessly, it's just that the list is not updated. People have been trying their games and they work like a dream, hell, firmware 1.90 improved compatibility even more and firmaware 2.0 is just around the corner. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's not 100% bc, but it's eerily close, and the sofware emulation guys (Harako Meshi et al) should be highly commended for what they've done.

In any case, everyone should be stoked for the next gen efforts on the PS3 from now on end, 90-95% bc via software is a highly solid bonus on the software front. No other software bc in history compares. So it's just a case where I believe certain gamers are spoilt. Enjoy your purchase (with the ps2 hardware intact), but don't misrepresent to potential gamers the actual BC situation with the newer units. Nobody has in excess of 2000 PS2 games and even if there are I'm not thinking that they've been waiting idly on the PS3's bc just to play them (software or hardware).

[Tappy_Tibbons]

Um, JRPGS have been the same game over and over again, IE the same "template" a LOT moreso than FPS.

[ilnadmy]

Well even with JRPGs, the games each have their own skill/magic/combat system. They might be similar, but they're still more different amongst themselves than FPS games are.

[Slashes-With-Claws]

Congrats on your purchase Pandarbock.

BTW anyone receive their 5 Blu-ray movies yet? I sent in for mine ages ago and haven't received jack sh** yet.

I have not received mine yet.

[Glockstar]

Bock, Sony no longer updates these lists anymore, at least not regularly. Thing is, these bc guys are actual perfectionists, any slight fmv frame skip, they marked it down on the emu release, sometimes, even as unplayable. As for now, games you will see with one compatibility bar, works flawlessly, it's just that the list is not updated. People have been trying their games and they work like a dream, hell, firmware 1.90 improved compatibility even more and firmaware 2.0 is just around the corner. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's not 100% bc, but it's eerily close, and the sofware emulation guys (Harako Meshi et al) should be highly commended for what they've done.

In any case, everyone should be stoked for the next gen efforts on the PS3 from now on end, 90-95% bc via software is a highly solid bonus on the software front. No other software bc in history compares. So it's just a case where I believe certain gamers are spoilt. Enjoy your purchase (with the ps2 hardware intact), but don't misrepresent to potential gamers the actual BC situation with the newer units. Nobody has in excess of 2000 PS2 games and even if there are I'm not thinking that they've been waiting idly on the PS3's bc just to play them (software or hardware).

Omg you are such a tool.

My message to would-be PS3 purchasers is: if you're going to trade in your PS2, or if by some miracle you don't have a PS2, then get a PS3 NOW! You need to get the 60GB model before it's gone from shelves. Emulation SUCKS.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

Well even with JRPGs, the games each have their own skill/magic/combat system. They might be similar, but they're still more different amongst themselves than FPS games are.

Yea, and FPS have different weapons, so what?

[ilnadmy]

Yeah, except all the weapons work the same. Point and shoot. You can't say all JRPG combat systems work the same way. Some have you controlling one character, while others have you controlling an entire party. Some have magic, some don't. Some have mechs, some don't. They all have different types of attacks (melee, ranged, piercing, slashing, blunt). Some allow you to customize your characters by equipping different items, others allow you to upgrade weapons over time. You have different classes you can choose from, and even within those classes you can customize to your hearts' content, while in some games the classes and spells are chosen for you. There's just a lot more going into these games than into an FPS that it's really hard to make the exact same JRPG twice. Similar, maybe, but they still have more differences than FPS games do.

[Mochan]

Yea, and FPS have different weapons, so what?

Anyone saying all JRPGs are the same is clearly just ignorant or a hater. While JRPGs aren't exactly known for innovation, there's a ton of breadth and variety in the individual game systems of JRPGs.

How different is Star Ocean 3 from Shin Megami Tensei DDS? Of course you have no idea, you've probably never touched a JRPG in the last 5 years. Or more. Only a moron would say JRPGs are all the same game over and over. Star Ocean 3's battle system is as different from SMT as Halo's is from KOTOR's. And I'm not even getting into the intangibles like the plot, characters, etc where JRPGs have a hell of a lot more going for it than the next Gordon Freeman or Master Chief.

Differences like the real time combo system in the Tales of series is as far as they get from the standard turn-based affair you see in the Dragon Quest series. It's not just as simple as a change of weapons.

But that flew over your head because you're just an ignorant simpleton hating on JRPGs you don't even play.

[NEO-360]

You need to get some credibility too. Try to discriminate between being a fan, and being a fanboy. Is it really that painful to include a 360 shooter in your list? Hopefully you just forgot Bioshock. . . I mean, for christs sake, I'm a Nintendo whore and I also like Sony alot, but there's no denying how freaking cool Bioshock looks in both its graphics and its gameplay.

You and I at least acknowledge a great game regardless of what system its on. Kudos to your reply.:thumbsup:

[NEO-360]

FPS isn't the genre to look at if you want something new and innovative, with the exception of BioShock and maybe Crysis. In general most FPS shooters are the same over and over again. That's why the Japanese don't really dig them.

Games like Halo 3 & Metroid Prime 3 has alot of new and innovative things going for it. Not to mention both games will be out this year. I mean without talking about PC games what games on the console front will offer what MP3 and Halo 3 will bring to the table of FPS's? Nothing. Who cares if the Japanese dont like shooters? People in North America cant get enough of them. The Japanese has fickle taste when it comes to games anyway.:rolleyes:

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Yeah, except all the weapons don't work the same. Half-life 2's Gravity Gun and Bioshock Biotics say hi.. You can't say all FPS combat systems work the same way. Some have you controlling one character, while others have you controlling an entire Squad. Some have magic, some don't. Some have mechs, some don't. They all have different types of attacks (melee, ranged, piercing, slashing, blunt). Some allow you to customize your characters by equipping different items, others allow you to upgrade weapons over time. You have different classes you can choose from, and even within those classes you can customize to your hearts' content, while in some games the classes and weapon kits are chosen for you. There's just a lot more going into these games than into an JRPG that it's really hard to make the exact same FPS twice. Similar, maybe, but they still have more differences than JRPG games do.

I agree.

word to slade.

[Mochan]

Halo 3? Innovation? Where?

[NEO-360]

Yeah, except all the weapons work the same. Point and shoot. You can't say all JRPG combat systems work the same way. Some have you controlling one character, while others have you controlling an entire party. Some have magic, some don't. Some have mechs, some don't. They all have different types of attacks (melee, ranged, piercing, slashing, blunt). Some allow you to customize your characters by equipping different items, others allow you to upgrade weapons over time. You have different classes you can choose from, and even within those classes you can customize to your hearts' content, while in some games the classes and spells are chosen for you. There's just a lot more going into these games than into an FPS that it's really hard to make the exact same JRPG twice. Similar, maybe, but they still have more differences than FPS games do.

:thumbsup: Two thumbs up! :thumbsup:

[thelastword]

Omg you are such a tool.

My message to would-be PS3 purchasers is: if you're going to trade in your PS2, or if by some miracle you don't have a PS2, then get a PS3 NOW! You need to get the 60GB model before it's gone from shelves. Emulation SUCKS.Bock already has a PS3, the system is now a $100 cheaper than before, that alone is a huge reason to pick up a 60 gigger, the added bonus of five free movies to indicate to folk that this thing also plays your movies at a pristine 1080p with 7.1 audio is also huge. The great thing about the PS3 is not a singlehanded feature like BC, (no matter how great ) It's all about "the sum of all these great parts" it just racks on it's features and skyrockets it's value over it's hardware failing 30 defect ratio competitor like an effin bolt tonne. So yes, BC is only one part of the PS3's summation of brilliance, and though BC is a valid reason for folk to jump on the 60GB bandwagon, for the life of me it cannot be and is not a primary reason for any PS3 owner, it's all about the nextgen games that has them stoked.

For now, games like RFOM and MSTORM have done quite superb at retail with the superior version of Oblivion adding to that charge, but moreso it's lineup for the year and even beyond is what's telling. So I'm saying folks know they can buy a PS3 now, get RFOM and Mstorm, Oblivion if it's to their tastes, they could plop down some money on SSHD, FLOW and CAC, get ready for some TDR action on the 23rd when it hits states in online form and they know that Warhawk is on the 28th, Lair will be here on the 4th of Sep, Hsword will be here on the 12th, then it's Ratchet on the 23rd of October, Eye of Judgement (with PSeYe), Folklore, Hot Shots Golf and the feverly anticipated GT Prologue in that same October week, and of course the opening of Playstation HOME. Then to, UT3 on Nov 7th, the gorgeous and ambitious Uncharted in that very month, how about Singstar (a phenom in Europe) all that with trophies etc... and what's amazing is I've not even touched the PSN releases like; WipeoutHD and Socom Confrontation, with smaller titles like Echochrome and Elefunk added in for originality.

As I've said before, The GREATNESS of the PS3 is the sum of it's parts. No system in History touches that first year lineup, NONE. Quality games for the year on bluray and via download are coming in droves, certainly overwhelming for the wallet. That's the primary reason you buy a PS3, for the quality games already released, and the overwhelming number of quality ones to follow. So BC is only a sub feature in that great sum, despite being excellent, but this is a next gen machine. I don't feel obligated to lie and misrepresent the 80Gb BC situation (with the hunch) that more folk would rush to get 60GB PS3's, most of these folks were already on the cards for PS3's and $100 drop just sweetened the deal a whole lot more. These folk buying a 80gigger later are getting the same quality system with (under a 1% defect ratio) with 95%+ BC. So I don't think it's necessary to distinguish between these systems as such. People are just going to purchase a PS system because they know it delivers the games.

So someone going into the store with his bills in hand is primarily primed for it's next gen features. They've seen MGS4 and KZONE and they know nothing compares on alternative consoles, they know of it's earth shattering first year lineup. They know that Burnout4, Black2, Haze, UT3 and DMC4 are leading on the PS3. They know of the Phenom that is FF, They actually want new franchises like Infamous, 8days and Africa. They're anticipating with bated breath Fumito Ueda's next colossal and epic masterpiece. That's why you really buy a PS3, the rest are just extremely sweet bonuses.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Dude the games suck. The first year is ridiculous lacking comparing to the 360. It has features but the games are all average to bad.

You talk retail how many million sellers the 360 has. The PS3 can't move 100k units worldwide in a month. The system is failing and languishing in every territory around the globe.

And seriously all the ridiculous adjectives don't change the fact the games are medicore are being outscored and outsold by the competitors. The market has spoken and it's told Sony no thankyou.

[Cuddly Knife]

Yeah, Word. You can't possibly play on a PS3, because if you were playing one, you would know that so far what's come out for the PS3 is at best, just average, and in the future, there are slim pickings.

Maybe you'd get through to people if you were on a forum where the posters are uninformed, but here, this BS just falls on deaf ears, even to the Sony fans.

So someone going into the store with his bills in hand is primarily primed for it's next gen features. They've seen MGS4 and KZONE and they know nothing compares on alternative consoles, they know of it's earth shattering first year lineup. Jeez, homie. Jeebz. What a steamer.

[Fivespot]

Yup. There have been plenty of examples where Word has proven his not owning a PS3 although some may be older (if in fact he bought a PS3 later on).

Off the top of my head:

-PS3 games load faster than XBOX 360 games. Huh? Yeah right. Ever choose a car in Motorstorm?

-Virtua Fighter 5 runs is 1080p native. Nope.

Not that he has any cred around here it's still worth pointing out a couple other examples. I started a thread a few moons ago re: the "predictable drivel" here at VGR and how it can make our discussions pretty much pointless and useless. I nominate TLW as the poster boy for that campaign.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

ROFL...please...READ THE ORIGINAL POST.

Now Folkie's mantra is "teh sum of all partz makes teh PS3 unstoppablez!!!!!!!!!!!!" Proves my point...all the Sony fanboys are media whores who are now adding gaming as an afterthought whereas when Xbox 1 fans decided that Xbox was superior due to the HDD, 1080i, and custom soundtracks(which, oh yea, PS3 STILL doesn't have), WE were considered media whores with so many quotes from the Sony front like "I play consoles for games".

The PS3's first year lineup is garbage...see gamerankings.com and the first wave of 2nd gen PS3 games are looking like utter trash (Warhawk...Lair...even Heavenly Sword).

Thanks for the laughs Sony fanboys. You somehow justified originally spending $600 to play what? Resistance? Motorstorm? Now, Sony is giving all these Blu Ray movies away and you all see this as something other than SHEER DESPERATION?!

You get and give all this constant PS3 hype which has let you down time and time again. I've not seen a positive piece of PS3 news in weeks.

[Gadfly2317]

Thanks for the laughs Sony fanboys. You somehow justified originally spending $600 to play what? Resistance? Motorstorm? Now, Sony is giving all these Blu Ray movies away and you all see this as something other than SHEER DESPERATION?!

You get and give all this constant PS3 hype which has let you down time and time again. I've not seen a positive piece of PS3 news in weeks.

It was $499, same as the Elite and it is better hardware, period.

360 is entering into its third Christmas season on the market. It had BETTER have more, impressive software than the Ps3. If it didn't, that would be tremendously embarrasing.

I love the 360 controller, and there are now a few games I want to play on it. If the 65nm chipset 360 that's coming soon really clears up the defect rate, I'll pick one up.

But as far as hating on Ps3, I just don't see it. I realize if you've already got a 360, there is virtually no reason to pick up a Ps3, especially for you guys who hated the Ps2. I downloaded the Dirt demo. I dug the hell out of Colin Mccrae on Xbox, and this sequel is great. I don't see it as a negative that it is also on 360. It's just another game on Ps3 I want to play. If I'd bought the 360 first, I'd be playing those games there.

I don't think anyone is overhyping Ps3 except Last Word. I acknowledge there are problems, and the Ps3 does need to put out more first rate exclusives. It's a shame that games like Lair and Warhawk are apparently seriously flawed. But the Ps3's is not the piece of crap you guys are playing it off as. It just isn't.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

Well, I never said it was a piece of crap, it just needs more games.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Yo Tappy Kutragi called this guys. He said they would buy it without games. Guess he was righit.

[ilnadmy]

I don't think you people realize that all the people on this forum who bought a PS3 have stated that they did it for future games. We all agree that the 360 has the better holiday lineup this year. If Sony didn't drop the price and decide to phase out B/C I know that Gad, Papa, Tashi, and I wouldn't have bought a PS3 just yet. Hell, I plan to play PC games for the majority of this, and next, year, with some PS2 games thrown into the mix.