Sony Promotes Ps3 with Decapitated Goat

[Gadfly2317]

I personally liked the sick crying baby ads, and this one doesn't bother me too much either. I also liked their graffiti style ad campaign for the PsP that caused so much controversy last year. Has Sony crossed a line? Is their marketing good, bad? Is it effective? I don't know, I see Sony ads and generally get an impression of "cool." I see Nintendo ads and generally think "dork." I see MS promotions and yawn.

So, if anyone wants to talk about marketing or decapitated goats, here's your chance.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=451414&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

[slade]

It seems like they are trying to get as much bad publicity as they can. While, personally, I don't care, anybody can see how the media will spin this. Which, makes me wonder why this story has not been picked up by the mainstream press yet. I read about this on Friday at GAF. What's the holdup?

BTW, the girl in that pic is topless and the Goat's decapitated head is censored. Had this story been published in the U.S, it would have been the other way around.

[Mochan]

That ad sucks. But no animals were harmed in the making of this ad.

[Mochan]

BTW why does the article differentiate between warm intestines and warm offal? Isn't offal = intestines? Or maybe worse. I still don't see the point.

Topless girls = nice

[ilnadmy]

Topless girls do indeed = nice. Decapitated goat....I'm not so sure.

[GameLegend]

What the F*** is this ****?!
Talk about pathetic desperation for publicity. As an animal activist, I can not believe an animal's life was taken away to make publicity. Not cool. Damn Shameless corporations.

Topless girl, ya so why isnt she cencored again?

[ilnadmy]

I don't think they specifically decapitated a goat for this thing, but they probably took some decapitated goat from somewhere and saved it for this occasion. Or something.

[GameLegend]

I don't think they specifically decapitated a goat for this thing, but they probably took some decapitated goat from somewhere and saved it for this occasion. Or something.

That is not point. The point dead goat had to be used to promote a product not to mention people sticking their hands into the goat. The goat derserves some form of integrity. Just like if u were in a different human species that had purple skin, and u saw a decaptiated purple human whose inside were being played with. Do you agree that the purple's human's body needs to be respected not engorged for all to admire in disgust? Make the connection.

[ilnadmy]

Except goats don't have media awareness and self-consciousness.

[folken001]

haha, animals have no rights in any country on the face of the earth. But, hey let's give them integrity. I think they would rather live longer than having some pointless integrity.

Yeah, we respect animals most of the time, just not when we eat them.

[GameLegend]

Yeah, we respect animals most of the time, just not when we eat them.

Sad but true.

On a side note, everyone i spoke to who watched this entire movie had the same comment: "everyone should watch this movie", simply because it opens your eyes. It is your ethical responsiblity to seek the truth.

The movie: Earthlings

Stream: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1282796533661048967
Download: http://dl.veg-tv.info/Earthlings.avi

Won Numerous awards:
"In 2005, Earthlings premiered at the Artivist Film Festival, (where it won Best Documentary Feature), followed by the Boston International Film Festival, (where it won the Best Content Award), and most recently at the San Diego Film Festival, (where it won Best Documentary Film, as well as the Humanitarian Award to Joaquin Phoenix for his work on the film)."
-wiki

[Renzatic Gear]

I love post millennial hippies. I'd consider stepping over at least 3 of you for the off chance the woman in the picture would let me lightly smack a tittie, yet for some reason people are spending most of their time *****ing about a poor dead goat. Your priorities really concern me.

Anyway, dead animals have been used in art since about damn forever now. Though this leans more towards the tacky side rather than being representative of legitimate art (whatever that is), it's really nothing to get worked up over when it comes to the grand scheme of all things. Plus the animal wasn't killed specifically for the event, it was brought in from a local butcher shop

[T.Tashi]

That ad makes me want to watch Conan. The first one, not the second one to remind me what's best in life.

Crush your enemies
See them driven before you
Hear the lamentation of the women

The lamentation of the women is especially important.

[Gadfly2317]

As long as they ate the goat and had sex with the girl, then all is natural and good in the world. A debaucherous good time was had by all, and associating debauchery with gaming--especially on the console that made GTA what it is--how is that bad?

[ilnadmy]

As long as they ate the goat and had sex with the girl, then all is natural and good in the world. A debaucherous good time was had by all, and associating debauchery with gaming--especially on the console that made GTA what it is--how is that bad?
What if it happened the other way round? :blush2:

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Yuck yuck yuck!!

[Dancer O_o]

Crush your enemies
See them driven before you
Hear the lamentation of the women

The lamentation of the women is especially important.

I've been seeing the commercial for Conan repeatedly lately that has that very scene in it on A&E is believe, cracks me up every time. Arnold could torture the English language like no other. I always wished for a real gritty hardcore Conan movie to be made in the spirit of the books...and I read every single one, some more than once.

lamentation (nom. lamentatio) "wailing, moaning, weeping,"...yep, this is important stuff, I can't hardly get through the night without hearing it, like music...:14:

[Mochan]

3 months ago my extended family threw a party and we bought a pig from the butcher and had it burnt on a stake (lechon kawali as it is known) here and we videotaped the event for posterity with the nice fat burnt crispy pig as the centerpiece of the table.

My cousins weren't naked and feeding me grapes, though. Dang!

[silversparrow]

3 months ago my extended family threw a party and we bought a pig from the butcher and had it burnt on a stake (lechon kawali as it is known) here and we videotaped the event for posterity with the nice fat burnt crispy pig as the centerpiece of the table.

I've seen similar events in Hawaii. Some sort of Pacific tradition?

[Mochan]

Yeah, must be a Polynesian/Micronesia/whatevernesian thing that goes on in island chain/archipelago nations. I think beaches make cooking pigs on a spit a very attractive pasttime.

[DragonSlayer]

haha, animals have no rights in any country on the face of the earth. But, hey let's give them integrity. I think they would rather live longer than having some pointless integrity.

Yeah, we respect animals most of the time, just not when we eat them.


Actually, yes animals do have rights in some countries, and people are arrested and jailed for abusing animal's rights. In other countries, such as India for example, the cow is sacred and also protected..., which is a right also, but for a different reason.

I understand your point about living longer than having integrity, but I think that would be directed at Sony...they showed absolutely no integrity with that ad. If they have to resort to such extremes to get someone interested in playing a game, that is rather sad. Good games speak for themselves.

As for the games, if people didn't respond to ads such as these, or if they would refuse to purchase their games, or failed to give them the publicity the company seeks in order to get attention, the companies would not gain any profit and would have to rethink what they publish. Companies want your money, and they will resort to whatever they think will make you shell it out....the art of manipulation. People are often basically suckered. If they brainwash you enough...you will buy, if for nothing more than out of curiosity.

[Gadfly2317]

Yeah, must be a Polynesian/Micronesia/whatevernesian thing that goes on in island chain/archipelago nations. I think beaches make cooking pigs on a spit a very attractive pasttime.

It's funny how in America people don't want their food to look like the animal. Like, there are tons of little authentic latin restaurants where I can get the whole fish head and all, but not normally places where white yuppies eat.

People who eat meat in America that goes through the slaughter assembly line and then can somehow get outraged at beheading and roasting an animal in what is basically an ancient communal food ritual. . .its just ignorance or hypocrisy. Ritual sacrifice and feast gives the animal eaten far more dignity than making it shuffle through a big death line, ass to nose, in total fear and terror as the cows, especially, are obviously aware of the slaughter that's going on in the line in front of them.

And have any of you guys ever seen how a chicken or turkey processing plant works?

And btw, the thought of roasting a pig at a beach party sounds so damned fun. It's the food chain people. And it's the one area where I agree with that loud mouthed right wing guitarist Ted Nugent on guns and hunting. It gives both the hunter and the animal a more natural dignity than the meat industry assembly line, which, ironically, resembles something in that other thread that turned into a discussion of the manner and scale in which the Nazi's killed Jews, gypsies, gays, etc.

[folken001]

Actually, yes animals do have rights in some countries, and people are arrested and jailed for abusing animal's rights. In other countries, such as India for example, the cow is sacred and also protected..., which is a right also, but for a different reason.

No, they don't. People are arrested and jailed for abusing animals because our system dont' want us to act like a bunch cavemen. That's why when you run naked on the street, you get arrested. That's also why when you taking a piss behind some cars, u'd get arrested. If animals had rights, then they would get trials in court like we do. If animals had rights, then their opinions would matter. If animals had rights, then they could say no when we gut them then cook them then eat them. In India, only the cow is sacred and it's for religious reason. That's not really a right and cow isn't a representative for the rest of the animals. People in India don't respect animals anymore than we do, other than the cows.

I understand your point about living longer than having integrity, but I think that would be directed at Sony...they showed absolutely no integrity with that ad. If they have to resort to such extremes to get someone interested in playing a game, that is rather sad. Good games speak for themselves.

You can't hold Sony accountable for that only, when the rest of society doesn't do it. Sony didn't show the goat the integrity it deserved but then, what intergrity are we talking about here? Who asks animals if it's alright to kill them? Who gives animals proper burials?

While it's a questionable marketing strategy, I have no problem with it. It's done in private too. The writer from PSM didn't go nor did the guy who wrote his article based on the PMS ad did.

I don't know. I guess they are both sad. It's sad that Sony should've been smarter to know that a bunch sissies are going to make a huge deal out of the goat. It is also sad that there are people who would whine over a dead goat.

As for the games, if people didn't respond to ads such as these, or if they would refuse to purchase their games, or failed to give them the publicity the company seeks in order to get attention, the companies would not gain any profit and would have to rethink what they publish. Companies want your money, and they will resort to whatever they think will make you shell it out....the art of manipulation. People are often basically suckered. If they brainwash you enough...you will buy, if for nothing more than out of curiosity.

Yes, people should get upset over an add like this. People dont' need to work. People don't need to take care of themselves. People have no mouths to feed. Let's just forget all of that and get upset over a goat. Companies already resorted to whatever they think they will make you to shell out. Welcome to today, buddy.

[Mochan]

I understand your point about living longer than having integrity, but I think that would be directed at Sony...they showed absolutely no integrity with that ad. If they have to resort to such extremes to get someone interested in playing a game, that is rather sad. Good games speak for themselves.




You are writing as if God of War 2 is a bad game that wouldn't sell, and Sony was desperate to have people even look at GoW2, let alone purchase it.

I think that's a shaky foundation to be making these statements, considering GoW was one of the most critically acclaimed games on the PS2 and sold like hotcakes, and is respected and loved by everyone on this board (except for myself).



People who eat meat in America that goes through the slaughter assembly line and then can somehow get outraged at beheading and roasting an animal in what is basically an ancient communal food ritual. . .its just ignorance or hypocrisy.

As for all that junk about animal rights, if PETA had its way we'd all be vegetarians but then I'd have to invoke Vegetable Rights and where'd we humans be, eating dirt? If someone is so into animal rights they should stop eating hamburgers and fried chicken. I always hate seeing animal rights activists like pet owners fighting for dogs rights and all that crap then see them come home and eat fried chicken or steak. Freaking hypocrites.

I agree with the point Gadfly points out here, it gives an animal far more dignity to sacrifice it in a ritual than it does to put it in a can and season it with preservatives. Though you'll have to pardon me if I'm not particulary into animal rights, I mean I can respect a pet but for some reason I just don't feel like crusading animal rights, and most of the time I feel annoyed seeing animal rights crusaders, I just do.

[Gadfly2317]

I agree with the point Gadfly points out here, it gives an animal far more dignity to sacrifice it in a ritual than it does to put it in a can and season it with preservatives. Though you'll have to pardon me if I'm not particulary into animal rights, I mean I can respect a pet but for some reason I just don't feel like crusading animal rights, and most of the time I feel annoyed seeing animal rights crusaders, I just do.

I have mixed feelings on animal rights. It generally boils down to a matter of the level of sentience we can perceive in the creature, and also just common sense, like don't torture things that feel pain. Animals eat other animals, and in most cases, except with sick twisted animals like domestic house cats, the kill is quick, and of necessity, to eat. The kill is not for fun, nor for commercial profit. Except for house cats. And I watched a nature show where a group of whales basically played hacky sack with a seal before they ate it.

But in general, I'm all for extending the right for animals to not be tortured by humans, and that humans that torture animals for fun should be severely punished, because it is usually a step in the chain to becoming someone who tortures humans. That's the thing about the goat beheading, or certain types of games one might ask. Is SIMULATING torture and murder desenstizing people to it, even if they don't necessarily engage in it? Man, it just makes me think of all the sick twisted stuff Americans were doing to the people we've got illegally locked away in Guantanamo Cuba.

And isn't Cuba officially our enemy? Funny that we'd keep our prisoners of war--whoops, I mean "detainees" in a country we condemn rather than hold them here in America itself. Animals have rights. Any human in the world that's not an American, in the eyes of America apparently, does not.

[Mochan]

Yeah, killer whales use seals as volleyballs but this isn't exaclty torture, the whales do it to break the seal's teeth, which can be dangerous to the whales when ingested. However, they do this also when not eating the seal, and will playfully fling the things far away for fun, so I would think what they are doing borders on sadism. House cats are known to play with their food (or even if it's not their food), Dolphins engage in gangbang rapes, and etc. etc. The smarter and more sentient a lifeform is, the greater its propensity to enjoy in sick acts like torture, and whales are hella smart.

Basically as a human I don't condone cruelty to animals simply because I find cruelty and torture... repulsive. And frankly I'd be alarmed if the lot of you don't. It doesn't matter to me what the object of that cruelty or torture is. I just don'e condone it. But I don't mind eating steak... eating something for food isn't torture, it's just a matter of biological survival. As long as I (or the butcher) am not torturing the cow before I chop it up for food, I don't think you can fault anyone for having steak.

I don't mind killing cows to eat them or anything of the sort, sorry cow fair is fair but we're at the top of the food chain. What I am against is doing it in an inhumane fashion, I don't like people (or animals) who get a sick sense of pleasure from torturing other living beings. As a child I used to torture cockroaches but I've since ammended my ways, even though torturing cockroaches does't seem as bad as, say, torturing puppies. (funny how animal rights activists love to defend the rights of "cute" and "beautiful" animals like dolphins, dogs, cats, pandas, etc. but I wonder how many people would react to cockroach torture?)

I am also against hypocriticism and animal rights advocates tend to be full of it. I am also against PETA, which I figure is a head hypocrite, and I hear PETA does other things other than hypocriticism that make them suspect.

[Mochan]

You know another thing that pisses me off? Ignorance. You nailed it with the animal food processing vs. ritualistic feasting idea, but I see it in other areas related to what we're currently talking about.

For instance, I still laugh at my Christian Living professors who would preach how "humans are the only species to wage war on each other," ignorant of how ants and bees routinely conquer each other's colonies and territories.

How about "humans are the only species that have sex for fun?" Where dolphins and bonobo chimps do it all the time.

And we've already covered "humans are the only species that torture others."

Good grief I hate these Christian Living teachers they are so full of it.

And you know what? I did some googling up on dolphins and torture while writing this because when you mentioned killer whales tossing seals, I remembered something about dolphin torture and wanted to read up on it.

Yet I was sorely disappointed, during my efforts to try to find accounts of dolphins torturing other sea mammals or fish, I instead came up with a gazillion links on condemning humans (particularly Japanese) torturing dolphins and marine anime rights pleas and all that junk. I find this sooo funny because the interest in these topics is probably very high because humans perceive dolphins as a "nice cute friendly" animal and all that WAFFy crap.

But the truth is that dolphins engage in incest, infanticide, gang rape, murder (of other species), bestiality (with other species!) and male dominance aggression over rights to mate with females, and all the crap Christian Living teachers preach to their students not to do!

It all makes me want to laugh a loooong good laugh into the night -- especially when you consider how dolphins and killer whales are viewed historically. We all know the tales of how dolphins are revered by sailors throughout the ages, whereas killer whales were feared (and even feared and hunted and prosecuted) throughout the ages, and the nomenclature says it all: Orca means "killer from hell" wheresa dolphin is just "fish with a womb."

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As for simulation and desensitization, simulating torture I think wouldn't desensitize people to it. Or maybe it does for some but not for others. We have those movies, Turistas and Hostel, which has that stuff, let me tell you watching those movies wouldn't suddenly desensitize me to torture and murder, heck it would make me sick and queasy and NEVER want to even think about the subject ever again! Not exactly desensitizing more like repulsing.

I don't know if other people get desensitized to it from simulations, I'm sure many people who've seen these movies or "simulated" them in goat orgy recreations would feel quite differently if put in the situation where they had to do it for real.

We hear about how people in wars have trouble pulling the trigger for the first time, but these people underwent army training to "simulate" the situation of killing, so where was the desensitization there? I think you only desensitize when you are actually doing the thing per se (these same army veterans will go on and say how much easier it is as you go along) rather than simulating it.

Torturing animals though is doing "it" (torture) and would desensitize you to it, as you said it could be a stepping stone to torturing humans.

[DragonSlayer]

You are writing as if God of War 2 is a bad game that wouldn't sell, and Sony was desperate to have people even look at GoW2, let alone purchase it.

I think that's a shaky foundation to be making these statements, considering GoW was one of the most critically acclaimed games on the PS2 and sold like hotcakes, and is respected and loved by everyone on this board (except for myself).


I am writing to say exactly what I did say, a good game speaks for itself. A COMPANY doesn't need to act "desperate" in order to sell a good game. If I wanted to trash talk the game, I would be talking game as opposed to company practices.

[Cuddly Knife]

I agree with your next to last post, Mochan. I hate any killing of any creatures unless it's for food. Cows are tasty. So are deer. But I won't go hunting anymore(haven't been since I got to high-school), even though the rest of my family are hardcore outdoorsmen type who love to kill for fun. I won't kill anything if it can be helped, though here in the Southwest US, you're always stepping on some kind of insect, and constantly running over mice and bunnies in your car.

[DragonSlayer]

We hear about how people in wars have trouble pulling the trigger for the first time, but these people underwent army training to "simulate" the situation of killing, so where was the desensitization there? I think you only desensitize when you are actually doing the thing per se (these same army veterans will go on and say how much easier it is as you go along) rather than simulating it.

I agree with this statement. Also, most veterans who come home don't go around killing people. A lot find it difficult, if not impossible, to even talk about it because they are so haunted by it.

As for PETA, I wouldn't support them because they are a bunch of hypocrites. Here is just one example:

http://petakillsanimals.com/
The North Carolina animal-cruelty trial of two PETA employees ended with a surprising result, but the animal rights group admitted under oath that it does, indeed, kill large numbers of animals. Our daily reports from inside the courtroom provide a rare look at one of the radical organization's most secret programs.

PETA has some nasty behavior associated with it...especially the head of PETA.

Chickens are often cannibals and eat each other. Some poultry companies clip the pointy ends of their beaks off so they don't peck on, maim or ultimately mutilate each other. If a chicken gets a small wound, others will peck at it until eventually the chicken is killed by it's own kind...and eaten afterwards. Now people will say that is inhumane to clip their beaks, but those same people will often have a dog with a docked tail or docked ears, or declaw their cat so it doesn't scratch their furniture. Those are done for reasons of "beauty" (which is questionable) or to keep their furniture intact. They will also purchase puppies from puppy mills, yet how often do you hear about the inhumane treatment dogs receive in cages meant for breeding purposes only?

[Mochan]

I am writing to say exactly what I did say, a good game speaks for itself. A COMPANY doesn't need to act "desperate" in order to sell a good game. If I wanted to trash talk the game, I would be talking game as opposed to company practices.

Cool, no problems then.

I've been to that PETA site too, and I read they also have a huge walk-in freezer where they store the bodies of their victims, and distribute gore comics to kids and other heinous acts to prep the kids for a life of rebellion and crime. I hate PETA!

Oh and welcome to the forums.

[Gadfly2317]

But the truth is that dolphins engage in incest, infanticide, gang rape, murder (of other species), bestiality (with other species!) and male dominance aggression over rights to mate with females, and all the crap Christian Living teachers preach to their students not to do!

You know all those tranquil new age posters with Dolphis swimming in gorgeous blue waters? And the suggestion that they are the most evolved and intelligent species? After reading your post, perhaps its true: Dolphins really are the most intelligent species on the planet.

Thanks for the intellectually stimulating post.

[ilnadmy]

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

[Renzatic Gear]

Dolphins are much more intelligent than Man in my opinion. It all began at some earlier point in our evolutions. Man looked at his brethren and said "Let us build temples, and monuments, and kingdoms to glorify ourselves." Dolphins thought the same, but turned to their brethren and said "nah, lets just swim, and ****, and laugh."

And thus, many years later, a man looks down on the sea from his skyscraper and says "Ignorant dolphins. I have a cell phone, an iPod, and am the CEO of a fortune 500 company, and all you do is swim and **** and laugh". And the Dolphins replied, "You're also 500,000 in debt, prematurely grey, have suffered from 2 heart attacks, and your daughter hates you. Whereas I'm in perfect health, my kids love me, and just got through ****ing the hell out of a seal sporting a rack worth dying for. Now you tell me who's stupider here."

The man cried as he realized his folly, and in desperation jumped into the sea to live as the carefree frolicking Dolphins do. Unfortunately he drowned because he was out of shape and never took swimming lessons.

[ilnadmy]

It is an important and popular fact that things are not always what they seem. For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much — the wheel, New York, wars and so on — whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man — for precisely the same reasons.

- classic quote from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

[Mochan]

LOL!

Killer Whales are indeed hella smart, I think Killer Whales devise the most incredible hunting tactics.

For instance, in order to catch birds, a killer whale will catch a fish, eat it, then regurgitate it to the surface where lots of pelicans and stuff are. When the bird comes down to eat the fish the orca jumps up out of the depths and eats the bird.

Or how about their co-op seal hunting tactics? If they see a sea on an iceflow and they can't do the beaching maneuvers they usually do on seals on beach, they use the "wave hunting" technique wherein one whale flaps the water strongly with his fins, causing waves to form and go onto the ice flow. These make the ice slippery and push the seal off the flow into the water on the other side of the flow... where his buddies quickly kill the seal with one bite.

Dolphins are awesomely smart.

[Mochan]

BTW off topic question in an already very-off-topic discussion:

Which do you guys like better, Great White Sharks or Killer Whales?

[Gadfly2317]

BTW off topic question in an already very-off-topic discussion:

Which do you guys like better, Great White Sharks or Killer Whales?

Whichever one of them that would bite the head off a goat if it fell off a boat gets my vote.

[Mochan]

I guess the Great Shark wins then!

[Gadfly2317]

I guess the Great Shark wins then!

Yay for the Ozzie Oz Shark!

And to get even more off topic, I have a pair of socks, for buisiness use only, that have sharks printed all over them. Your life, or this pointlessly meandering thread, wouldn't have been complete without knowing that.

[ilnadmy]

Killer Whales all the way for me. Anything that has "Killer" in its name is just made of pure awesome.

[Mochan]

I'm a killer whale fan myself. Because Killer whales EAT sharks.

And there is some evidence that Great White Sharks actually run away from killer whales. Some marine biologist did an experiment to play recorded killer whale clicking sounds and observed sharks darting away from the general vicinity. In addition, one great white was tagged and its whereabouts could be traced.

Then the famous LA Pod killer whale "C2" ate a shark's liver after tearing a Great White up, at the time that this happened it was observed that the other tagged great white suddenly darted and ran away from the area.

Even more interesting, according to the fossil record Megalodon, the awesome huge 50" great white shark thingee from ages past, lived about 15 million years ago. It was a contemporary of the Great White, however the two apparently did not live in the same areas according to the fossil record -- possibly the great whites ran avoided the much larger Megalodon. It became extinct some 2 million years ago.

Interestingly enough, the first killer-whale-like dolphins appeared around this time (albeit a bit earlier). One thesis is that great whites survived because they avoid killer whales (as shown above) however the Megalodons didn't... and paid the price.

[Gadfly2317]

Yeah, but do you have Killer Whales on your SOCKS????? That's the important question here. And, the outrage. Remember the outrage at corporate exploitation of animal mutilation? As a corporate pirate and enviromental rapist this interests me. Since when did VGR become the goddamn Discovery Channel?

Why don't we quit while we're ahead and all just go watch some porn, eh?

[Cuddly Knife]

They call him Jabber, Jabber, Jabber, Jabber, Jabber, Jabber, Jabberrrr Jaw.

[Gadfly2317]

Since this thread just seems to never end, let me just say, I was highly dissapointed not to get a rise out of Trebor with the house cat thing.

[Mochan]

Killer whales on my boxers > sharks on your socks!