Ea Says Judge Playstation 3 In Two Years Time

[thelastword]

Electronic Arts' boss Gerhard Florin has told GamesIndustry.biz that the true effect of the PlayStation 3's controversial price point will only become apparent two years' after release.


While early critics are suggesting the console's luxury price is hampering sales, EA's executive VP of international publishing doesn't believe the GBP 425 price tag will hold back sales in the first twelve months.


"Look at the price in two years' time, and then you can say whether it's too high," said Florin, in an interview published today (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=24427).


"Whether it's too high or not the consumer has to decide, but I don't think for the first year the price will be a problem which holds anything back," he added.


It's not just Sony's latest home console that EA is withholding judgement on. Florin believes that both Microsoft's and Nintendo's recent launches also have a niche to find and sales to exploit.


"I wouldn't make any judgements within the next two years," commented Florin.


"The first two years will clearly be an open race, everybody will do very well. I believe all three [consoles] are worth supporting in different ways."
Electronic Arts is confident it has the portfolio of franchises to spread across each home console, playing to each machine's respective strengths.
"Something like Harry Potter is a very clear candidate to lead on the Wii," offered Florin.


"Shooters like Medal of Honor, Black, we will clearly concentrate on PlayStation 3 because we need Cell processor power."


"Then we've got more strategic, online-orientated games that we concentrate more on 360," he added.

Link (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=24483)


Pretty much a similar take to Eidos and Square as it relates to the year 2008 for the PS3, only that EA has been supporting the PS3 from launch day as they did with the PS2. The full interview is linked inside as well, (published today)...

[Dancer O_o]

"Shooters like Medal of Honor, Black, we will clearly concentrate on PlayStation 3 because we need Cell processor power."

That's fine, just make them work like they should and could. I mentioned the other day of wanting FEAR for PS3 and waiting patiently for it only to find it lacking in every single review I ever read and that simply won't do. EA has taken advantage of the Wii controls on a few Wii games and I expect they will treat the PS3 right by no rushed ports. Put a few PS3 exclusive levels in and stuff like that in their games and the world will turn. Madden on PS3 is a game I have played a lot in the last few weeks and the more I play it the more I like it, EA already knows how to throw code at the PS3 or at least the sports division does.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

MoH console games have always sucked. Frontline is probably the most overrated game ever made. Only received praise because Ps2 had crap for FPS at the time. Simple as that. Black was decent for a playthrough and had great graphics but only like 3 different enemys in the game. EA can keep their crappy shooters for the "cell's power". Give me something I care about on the PS3 and maybe I will get one. The crappy Japanese devs can't even afford the everlasting flow of crap JRPGs like there were for the PS2 at launch.

This is hilarious watching devs flounder.

[joquito]

So is EA saying that they need 2 years to make a good game for the PS3?

[Mochan]

Funny how the 360 is now the strategy gamer's console? Wii looks like it'll still have a kiddy image to deal with. And I agree MoH sucks.

[ilnadmy]

MoH console games have always sucked. Frontline is probably the most overrated game ever made. Only received praise because Ps2 had crap for FPS at the time. Simple as that.

Sorta like Halo then.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

But Halo didn't suck.

[folken001]

MoH console games have always sucked. Frontline is probably the most overrated game ever made. Only received praise because Ps2 had crap for FPS at the time. Simple as that. Black was decent for a playthrough and had great graphics but only like 3 different enemys in the game. EA can keep their crappy shooters for the "cell's power". Give me something I care about on the PS3 and maybe I will get one. The crappy Japanese devs can't even afford the everlasting flow of crap JRPGs like there were for the PS2 at launch.

This is hilarious watching devs flounder.
don't get one if you don't want one. having u buy a ps3 is hardly an item on my need to do list. oh wait, it ISN'T. Is it on anyone's?

[thelastword]

So is EA saying that they need 2 years to make a good game for the PS3?No, not at all, the two year talk is related to the current PS3 price. They're saying that the current price should not deter PS3 sales for the first year and that the price is reasonable for what you do get inside.

As for the good games from Ea this year, there's Burnout 4, and Army of Two does look promising. There some other new IP's like Skate which may ar may not take off, but it looks capabale. There's Battlefield Bad Company and MOH which may be solid as well.

[ilnadmy]

But Halo didn't suck.
That's your opinion.

[Gamer From '78]

Link (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=24483)


Pretty much a similar take to Eidos and Square as it relates to the year 2008 for the PS3, only that EA has been supporting the PS3 from launch day as they did with the PS2. The full interview is linked inside as well, (published today)...

Of course EA is going to speak nicely about Sony. They've been business partners who have made money off of each other for over a decade now. The fact is PS3 is #3, selling the least systems and the least amount of software compared to the Xbox 360 and Nintendo Wii.

The PS2 is a success. There is no arguement about that. I love my PS2. It has many great games on it. When God of War migrates to the PS3, I shall buy one of those then. By that point, there should be enough quality software to warrant buying the system. And anything released up until that point, I will be able to pick up for $29.99 or less through the Greatest Hits lineup. So it's win-win for me.

It just doesn't make sense to buy a $600 console right now to play one or two games when I can wait a year or more, save myself $100 or better on the hardware and $60 or better on the software.

But in truth, the next-gen started with the Xbox 360. Like those Heavenly Sword screenies? I'm talking the in-game graphics and not the super CG that someone tried to pawn off as the "real dea?" Take a gander at the latest screen for Too Human. In-game graphics baby!

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/781/781085/too-human-20070416055331601.jpg

[Gamerbro]

As much as I dislike EA...I agree with the point they're making here...

[Gamer From '78]

As much as I dislike EA...I agree with the point they're making here...

I too think it will be a "slightly" different story two years from now. But the days of Sony domination I believe are over.

Microsoft FORCED Sony into the next gen. Sony drug their feet. And with good reason. The PS2 is lucrative, money-making machine. The PS3 is not and will not be for some time.

Unfortunately, Sony didn't really learn anything. For all it's "mythical" power, it's just that-based on Myth. The Xbox 360 is pumping out killer graphics and killer games. It's showing PS3 up. I've yet to see a game on the PS3-even Motorstorm-that I think looks better than some of the stuff on the 360. Certainly even those who DO think a PS3 game here or there DOES look better, they have to admit that the graphics difference between the PS3 and Xbox 360 is negligible at best.

[thelastword]

Of course EA is going to speak nicely about Sony. They've been business partners who have made money off of each other for over a decade now. The fact is PS3 is #3, selling the least systems and the least amount of software compared to the Xbox 360 and Nintendo Wii.

The PS2 is a success. There is no arguement about that. I love my PS2. It has many great games on it. When God of War migrates to the PS3, I shall buy one of those then. By that point, there should be enough quality software to warrant buying the system. And anything released up until that point, I will be able to pick up for $29.99 or less through the Greatest Hits lineup. So it's win-win for me.

It just doesn't make sense to buy a $600 console right now to play one or two games when I can wait a year or more, save myself $100 or better on the hardware and $60 or better on the software.

But in truth, the next-gen started with the Xbox 360. Like those Heavenly Sword screenies? I'm talking the in-game graphics and not the super CG that someone tried to pawn off as the "real dea?" Take a gander at the latest screen for Too Human. In-game graphics baby!

In-game graphics in Too Human, but is that all? Too Human is using UE3 and that engine seems to be doing fine on the 360, but there's alot missing from these games IMO. Next gen to me is not simply a new coat of paint on an action game or an action rpg, I like to see other areas which necessitates the advancement to the next gen era as well. I'm talking animation here as a very important step, it makes no sense that I have good looking in-game chars when they animate like Al Gore. I'm not sure where you're going with comparisons to HSWORD, when it comes to animation, physics abd smooth gameplay Too Human leaves alot to be desired, especially against Hsword.

I've seen the main character run stiffly through a level in TH, the gunplay looks really dull, when he uses his sword his body stays stiff, I mean come on. I think you guys should thank Capcom that DMC4 is 360 bound. Here you're are talking about an action game with RPG elements, Have you seen a pure RPG in White Knight Story, have you seen the animation and responsiveness in that game. I think next gen is a combination of many things, graphics and texturing is one, but man, there are so many other things aspects necessary for the imprint of the next gen tag.

[thelastword]

I too think it will be a "slightly" different story two years from now. But the days of Sony domination I believe are over.

Microsoft FORCED Sony into the next gen. Sony drug their feet. And with good reason. The PS2 is lucrative, money-making machine. The PS3 is not and will not be for some time.

Unfortunately, Sony didn't really learn anything. For all it's "mythical" power, it's just that-based on Myth. The Xbox 360 is pumping out killer graphics and killer games. It's showing PS3 up. I've yet to see a game on the PS3-even Motorstorm-that I think looks better than some of the stuff on the 360. Certainly even those who DO think a PS3 game here or there DOES look better, they have to admit that the graphics difference between the PS3 and Xbox 360 is negligible at best.I'm looking at the 360's first year and I'll tell you what, Gears of War was the first game that showed some next gen graphical capability on that machine. I think many people were pretty much frustrated, seeing that it took so long to get a next gen looking game like Gears, no-less, on the "easy to develop 360". So of course when people mention PDO and KAMEO as some of 360's next gen graphical ICONS, even up till now, it just becomes downright laughable.

I've praised some 360 games for their looks, I think that LP looks good, as I know what could tax a system. The particles and smoke effects are quite solid and the lighting and texturing is up there as well. It's NO AAA title, it's NO DMC, but I would put it up there with Gears in terms of the best looking titles on the 360. Guess what though? Lost Planet is coming to the PC in June, so I get to play it at 1900 x 1200 in June and I'm not thinking that Gears is afar off either.


The point is, the best games on the 360 at launch I've played them. COD2 anyone, I enjoyed Quake4 on my PC, I don't know what your experience has been with that marvellous 360 port though. So to be very honest, there's no reason for me to get a 360, I'm not feeling Too Human (though some of the chars do look interesting), Halo3 will have to really outshine RFOM to be spectacular, Bioshock is PC bound and will very likely be on the PS3 as well, Mass Effect has been downgraded severely, but to be frank, I think all these games can be good titles on the 360 and I wish that xbots enjoy these titles, but that lineup is lacking severley IMO.

I'll tell you what I want to play.....I want to play Lair (a dragon game), Hsword (a next gen action title), Uncharted(a graphical benchmark of a game set in the bermuda triangle), Eight Days (IGN says December), Eye of Judgement with playstation Eye (this summer), Hot shots Golf5 (the best golf game EVER), GT Prologue, Killzone (huge unveiling at E3), Folk Souls (June), Calling All Cars (read the IGN review and impress on your mind what was said about how it stacks to everything on XBLA), Little Big Planet (Can you feel the Power) and of course Home (cause that's where the heart is) at the same time I could fold@home to help the cause, whilst not forgetting NGSIGMA (Demo already out, super 1080P graphics, landing in June) and I'll be sure to pickup the pacey, 1080P, Burnout 4 (the superior version on the superior machine).

I mean can you blame me, man, that's effing year one. Compare the 360's first year to this lineup, Dude? Compare the 360's 2 year lineup to this, it's just plain silly. I've always said it, I'm a gamer, I love a great diverse lineup of games. If this is simply a Bluray player to you in 2007, then by all means, keep the faith......

[thelastword]

What do you know, I left out two of my most wanted games for the year. WARHAWK and RATCHET&CLANK-TOOLS OF DESTRUCTION....and dangit!..there may very well be more......

[Mochan]

Next gen started wtih the PC. That Too Human screenshot is on a level of graphics that has been playing on the PC for quite some time now.

[Gadfly2317]

I'll tell you what I want to play.....I want to play Lair (a dragon game), Hsword (a next gen action title), Uncharted(a graphical benchmark of a game set in the bermuda triangle), Eight Days (IGN says December), Eye of Judgement with playstation Eye (this summer), Hot shots Golf5 (the best golf game EVER), GT Prologue, Killzone (huge unveiling at E3), Folk Souls (June), Calling All Cars (read the IGN review and impress on your mind what was said about how it stacks to everything on XBLA), Little Big Planet (Can you feel the Power) and of course Home (cause that's where the heart is) at the same time I could fold@home to help the cause, whilst not forgetting NGSIGMA (Demo already out, super 1080P graphics, landing in June) and I'll be sure to pickup the pacey, 1080P, Burnout 4 (the superior version on the superior machine).

I want to play a couple of those games, especially Lair and Little Big Planet. But the # of titles is meager and far off, which makes the Ps3, with its price, an obvious choice to WAIT. The 360 has it now, and the list of stuff coming out THIS YEAR is staggering.

You gotta admit this a problem. A lot of consumers ready to go HD in their gaming are going to wait on the pricey Ps3 and pick up the less expensive system with all the titles (including the better version of Grand Theft Auto this fall.) And the more consumers wait, and the more Wii and 360 keep outselling it, the less software will be coming its way. It is a snowball effect.

Something like Little Big Planet and Lair look far more awesome to me than most of what's coming to 360. But then, Ocarina of Time, Mario 64, and a couple other N64 titles looked and played better than most of what came to Ps1, and that didn't stop me from waiting til nearly the end of its lifespan to pick up an N64. . . a system with overpriced games just like the Ps3.

[Mochan]

I'm totally in the Sony camp but even I will admit the 360 is where the gaming titles are at right now.

[thelastword]

I want to play a couple of those games, especially Lair and Little Big Planet. But the # of titles is meager and far off, which makes the Ps3, with its price, an obvious choice to WAIT. The 360 has it now, and the list of stuff coming out THIS YEAR is staggering. What stuff? and please don't mention Bioshock, Alan Wake etc..which will also be on other platforms. Staggering you say? but here lies the fallacy. It's not staggering at all, I'll tell you what, the exclusive 360 games are; Mass Effect,Too Human, Forza and Halo3, these are the titles that the 360 is going to depend on to deliver this year. Bioshock and Alan Wake are not such titles and they aren't going to sell any systems. Too Human needs loads of improvement as of now and since this is SK, I'm not even sure that 2007 is a lock. Forza was supposed to have landed in November of 2006, do you remember, but Turn10 saw a 1080P/60fps demo of GTHD and felt that having their premier racer at 30fps and at 720P was downright shameful in comparison. So here it is, If I were to buy a 360 this year, these would be the titles I would choose from but as it stands none of these titles are guaranteed to be the best in their genres this year.

=Gadfly
You gotta admit this a problem. A lot of consumers ready to go HD in their gaming are going to wait on the pricey Ps3 and pick up the less expensive system with all the titles (including the better version of Grand Theft Auto this fall.) And the more consumers wait, and the more Wii and 360 keep outselling it, the less software will be coming its way. It is a snowball effect. $120 the difference between an ELITE and a PS3, the latter a system which is using all aspects of it's advanced tech, via motion control, better ai, better physics and wider vistas in games to give experiences just not possible on that machine $120 less. All of that with a HUGE bonus of watching HD movies, accessing original downloadable games and also creating content. If you're a well informed customer then it's a no brainer. I'm not going to spend $480 on a system where I can play about 60% of it's most wanted games on my PC. Lost Planet, Alan Wake, C&C, Bioshock etc..I won't even play these titles right on release, I'll be playing a wave of PS3 titles.

So then, I'll be digging into Lair,Warhawk,Lbp,Ngsigma,Hsword,Ratchet,Killzone,E ye of Judgement, Uncharted,HotShots5,Eight Days,GT Prologue,Folks Soul just to name a few. I sure won't be putting that off for 2008 when it's just going to be insane with GT5,WKS,MGS4,RE5,FF13,FF13VS,KH3, Africa,LA Noire,RFOM2,GOW3,Ratchet2,WIPEOUT etc.. I think it's just downright silly and to think that in 2007 Burnout4 and GTA IV are two multiplats that will actually move PS3 systems alongside that first party onslaught. Gadfly, this is becoming silly, there's no way anyone could play such a backlog of games in 2008 or whenever, the 2007 hits could be a dollar a pop in 2008 and it simply won't change that fact.



Something like Little Big Planet and Lair look far more awesome to me than most of what's coming to 360. But then, Ocarina of Time, Mario 64, and a couple other N64 titles looked and played better than most of what came to Ps1, and that didn't stop me from waiting til nearly the end of its lifespan to pick up an N64. . . a system with overpriced games just like the Ps3.The last time I checked, PS3 games are not $70-$80, they're at $60 pricepoint and interestingly 360 games are priced the same, that is simply not an argument. If you're talking multiplats, then my advise is that no one should buy F.E.A.R and SCDA on the PS3, I wouldn't buy them if they were $1 and I certainly didn't buy a PS3 to play SCDA as I've not even bothered with it on my PC.

Note: Please go into detail as to what makes the 360 version of GTAIV superior, it will be a great read, have no doubts. Thanks much in advance....

[Gadfly2317]

My god that was weak, TLW. Grasping at the "Elite Pack." I think we both said our piece. We'll watch it play it over the summer, fall, and through Xmas. And I fully believe the Ps3 will get stomped by the Wii, and by the significantly less expensive system with Mass Effect, Halo 3, and GTA4.

Personally, I want to play Blue Dragon, Culdcept Saga, and Viva Pinata, and I still want to play Kameo. And Forza 2. But that's just me. I realize Halo 3 and GTA 4 are going to likely be the big factors in moving systems this fall. And I'm interested in Alan Wake, too. You can say its on another platform, but sorry, most people don't have Windows Vista.

But hey, I could be wrong and maybe your fantasy of Sony rolling in with all its massive greatness will come to pass. Again, we'll just have to wait and see. It really seems like the dried fanboy jizz has crusted over your crystal ball. (See, isn't that so much more fun than the cliche "cloudy" crystal ball?)

[thelastword]

Well, here's how it is. Yes, the 360 Elite is gimped compared to the PS3, but if you're a potential customer right now (for a 360), there's no doubt which one is the best offering out of the lot. I mean, would it be better if I compared the PS3 to the 360 core pack? Certainly not, as it relates to value and price the 360's best bet in comparison to the PS3 is an Elite, not that it matches the PS3 in any way, but even there you can see why comparing the PS3 to a lower tiered 360 is more detrimental to it's appreciated value.

Getting all this out of the way....I can't justify a 360 purchase now (that's me), but If I were to get one now, the Elite would be a no-brainer. You've listed some games here which appeal to you and that's good, afterall, It's all about what you want to play. So yes, If you can justify the purchase, then by all means, plop that money down with those games, but as it stands, you still got to wait for Blue Dragon and Culdcept to hit US stores. As for Forza 2, here's hoping that it doesn't get delayed yet again past the 29th of May. As I've said before though, If these games are going to light your fire, then rock and roll.

[Zilla Man]

I
You gotta admit this a problem. A lot of consumers ready to go HD in their gaming are going to wait on the pricey Ps3 and pick up the less expensive system with all the titles (including the better version of Grand Theft Auto this fall.) And the more consumers wait, and the more Wii and 360 keep outselling it, the less software will be coming its way. It is a snowball effect.

Howi s the 360 version of GTA IV supposed to be better? Sam Houser's said that both platforms will have exclusive downloadable content.

Not only that, the 360 version might not even have custom soundtracks - due to the fact the Rockstar's said they have to program that version as if there's no hard drive (like they did with the PS2) because some people just have the tard pack. With PS3 they know everyone has a drive so that version will definitely have custom soundtracks.

[Fivespot]

Every 360 game supports custom soundtracks. It's built into the system. Why would GTA4 be any different???? I think you got some bunk information Zilla.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Mass Effect-Downgrades? Please this RPG is more ambitious than anything coming to the PS3 this year.

Too Human-Did you read any of the IGN previews last Week. Ambitious online ambitous single player. A True meld of the Action genre and RPG. HS at it's best is only half the game. It's also has to be said that HS devs have never had a hit game.


Halo3-The King plain and simple. This is the FPS franchise on consoles.

Lost Oddeysee-Don't know much but the pedigree is incredible.

Blue Dragon-This Pixar quality this is next gen animation. This is the JRPG of the year.

Kingdom Under Fire-A different take on a consistantly quality franchise. Which from a gameplay standpoint stacks up to every thing on the PS3

Forza 2-Better than GT4 the reviews say. Way more gameplay options.

Banjo Three-We'll be better than the tired ass R&C games that come out every year. I mean honestly you could put any of the first 3 games in the series in you PS2 and if you didn't have the Box you wouldn't know which one was which. Insomniac changed it up with Deadlock but it sucked so they go back to the same formula whatever.

Bioshock-multiplat game of the year canidate WONT BE ON PS3

Alan Wake-awesome looking open world Survivor Horror WONT BE ON PS3

Shadow Run-Looks cool different type of FPS console vs PC WONT BE ON PS3

Not to mention the quality title that have been released so far this year

Graw 2 million sold. And if history shows us anything it will be worse on the PS3

Lost Planet. Another Million Selling game that guess what WONT BE ON PS3

Crackdown- Truly open ended gameplay exlusive to the Xbox 360 and another hit selling game.

PS3 games

Lair looks good gameplay from all reports is nothing but average. Developer hasn't made a good game since the launch of the FREAKING GAMECUBE! And for there next big game it's damn there the exact same play mechanics

Calling all Cars. According to IGN stacks up to anything on xbox live. Not better just stacks up. But that's one game I've lost count of the amount of games on Xbox Live. And I'm talking original games. Let's see how long it takes to for sony to get them 40 PSN games out

Heavenly Sword when is this supposed to be released? Technically the only special thing is the animation. Which is good. Let's not forget this game started on the 360 but MS turned it down. Unproven developer

Eight Days? Come on are you serious. What do you know about that game? One press release and a CGI trailer.

Uncharted. What was the last really good game Naughty Dog made? CTR on the PSOne? Plus they have lost there President we'll see how this goes. Have you seen any gameplay of this game.

Hot Shots Golf? Come on man I'd rather play Tiger Woods on the Wii. You talking about games pushing Technology and you bring this up.

Warhawk. Is irreleveant look at the competition this game has this year. As far as massive online shooters. Why play this instead of Frontlines Fuel of War or Quake Wars, or Battleifield Bad Company or UT3 or Halo 3 even. It could be good but the thing that is going to sell this game is that's its cheap and it's on the PSN.


Anybody can make a list of games and claim the suckitude or the greatness of them. Bottom line the PS3 has not delievered a geaet game yet. The Best game is an average shooter followed by a gimped arcade rally racer. You talking about games moving consoles. The PS3 has nothing.

Halo 3 will move consoles and GTAIV will move a lot more 360'a a $400 than PS3's at $600.

And to finish this Killzone? please? GGames have never made a good game. The best they've come was a isometric 3rd person shooter on the PSP. And you think KZ2 is going to be a savior. That CG trailer completely sold you huh buddy?

[slade]

snip!!

How can anyone look at this post and not think of you as anything but a MS shill? You like crying about how other people like to pretend they are partial but you're one of the biggest pretenders here.

[thelastword]

Mass Effect-Downgrades? Please this RPG is more ambitious than anything coming to the PS3 this year.
uh! huh?


Too Human-Did you read any of the IGN previews last Week. Ambitious online ambitous single player. A True meld of the Action genre and RPG. HS at it's best is only half the game. It's also has to be said that HS devs have never had a hit game.

I didn't read any previews, I watched the preview on IGN WEEKLY, episode 43 to be exact. There was quite a bit of footage shown, by Dennis Dyack himself.

I think that the story in Too Human could be good (Norse Mythology), the music seems ok as well, but the gameplay is where it's seems out of whack. Melding the action set of GOW & DMC etc..(well according to Mr Dyack anyway) isn't yielding fluid like action gameplay to me. You want to know of an action rpg that looked and felt smooth the first that you laid your eyes upon it? Kingdom Hearts, and that was last gen.

As for Hsword being half the game that Too Human is, it just shows how ignorant you really are, but then in the end the games will prove themselves.


Halo3-The King plain and simple. This is the FPS franchise on consoles.
Halo-CE was good but not perfect, introduction of the flood later in the game felt a bit off and the last level was pretty much a slideshow. Now putting that shooter against RFOM, it's lack of polish clearly shows and they are both launch day shooters. I think what made Halo is not so much it's single player, but moreso it's multiplayer, why do you think Bungie concentrated more on the multiplayer aspects of Halo2 as opposed to it's singleplayer?

I'm not saying that Halo 3 will be a bad game at all. I just think that the RFOM experience is so smooth and that it just gets better and better from the first level to the very end, and that applies to it's graphics and gameplay, not a hint of slowdown and the levels of chaos and geometry that would make the last level in Halo-CE look seriously barren. RFOM is like the exponential experience of greatness IMO (as it relates to console shooters) and I see Insomniac doing great things with RFOM 2 in 2008.


Lost Oddeysee-Don't know much but the pedigree is incredible.

Really?


Blue Dragon-This Pixar quality this is next gen animation. This is the JRPG of the year.
How many copies did it sell in Japan? the home of JRPG's, how many xbots on this very forum have their copies reserved? Do you? How does Blue Dragon stack up to FF12 on the PS2?

This isn't funny, you want to talk about pixar level animation and graphics, look no further than Ratchet and Clank.


Kingdom Under Fire-A different take on a consistantly quality franchise. Which from a gameplay standpoint stacks up to every thing on the PS3Kingdom Under Fire? are you insane?


Forza 2-Better than GT4 the reviews say. Way more gameplay options.

Yeah!, you mean there are reviews of Forza 2 out already? Damn man you're unto **** quick, I'll be sure to check them out...:rolleyes:

Well dangit! I hope it's better than GT4 because GT5 will absolutely smoke GT4. Mark my words though and you can put this one in your sig for good ole times...GT5 at the time of it's release will be the best looking game on any console and the smoothest racer on any platform......


Banjo Three-We'll be better than the tired ass R&C games that come out every year. I mean honestly you could put any of the first 3 games in the series in you PS2 and if you didn't have the Box you wouldn't know which one was which. Insomniac changed it up with Deadlock but it sucked so they go back to the same formula whatever.

I've seen Ratchet in action, it lands this fall. Have you seen gameplay of threeie? When is it landing? Questions...Questions...


Bioshock-multiplat game of the year canidate WONT BE ON PS3

Alan Wake-awesome looking open world Survivor Horror WONT BE ON PS3

Shadow Run-Looks cool different type of FPS console vs PC WONT BE ON PS3

Not to mention the quality title that have been released so far this year

Graw 2 million sold. And if history shows us anything it will be worse on the PS3

Lost Planet. Another Million Selling game that guess what WONT BE ON PS3

Crackdown- Truly open ended gameplay exlusive to the Xbox 360 and another hit selling game.

Go on..Enchanted Arms won't be on PS3, Saints Row won't be on PS3, Kane and Lynch won't be on PS3, Eternal Sonata Won't be on PS3, NG2 won't be on PS3..oops, did I spill that one too soon. Dude, If I have to make a list of what won't be on the 360, it won't be funny anymore. Free Radical is working on an exclusive PS3 project, Haze is going to come before it, these guys gave us timesplitters. According to EGM, there's a rumour that Team Ninja is working on a secret DOA project for the PS3. You know you can take your ONLY ON and shove it up your dhumbasster.



Lair looks good gameplay from all reports is nothing but average. Developer hasn't made a good game since the launch of the FREAKING GAMECUBE! And for there next big game it's damn there the exact same play mechanics

Really, you mean F5 is just an average run of the mill dev house? So Lair is going to suck donkey balls? I see...


Calling all Cars. According to IGN stacks up to anything on xbox live. Not better just stacks up. But that's one game I've lost count of the amount of games on Xbox Live. And I'm talking original games. Let's see how long it takes to for sony to get them 40 PSN games out

Yet again.... really? I guess I must be dhumbfounded, oh! my...but I'm reading this off.. IGN...and it says...


Until now, that is. Calling All Cars is Sony's first truly original, must-have title on the PlayStation Network, and it bests just about everything there is to be found on Microsoft's online arcade center. The game is just about as fun as any downloadable game could hope to be and while it isn't perfect, you'd be hard-pressed to find a better party game anytime soon on any system.
link (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/783/783536p1.html)

What do you know, I'm not that Dhumb I guess....


Heavenly Sword when is this supposed to be released? Technically the only special thing is the animation. Which is good. Let's not forget this game started on the 360 but MS turned it down. Unproven developer

And your point is? Are you a tool? Do you know what an engine is? Do you think that the Hsword is the very same game that it was on the xbox in it's intial stages, do you think that they're technically the same? Did you know that God of War's engine is derived from the game Kinetica on the PS2. You have no idea what an engine is and how it can be retooled to take advantage of beefier hardware, In that case you know nothing of Hsword and it's tech. I'll tell you this, Hsword is more a less a game built ground up for the PS3.


Eight Days? Come on are you serious. What do you know about that game? One press release and a CGI trailer.

Did you see the HUD in that trailer?


Uncharted. What was the last really good game Naughty Dog made? CTR on the PSOne? Plus they have lost there President we'll see how this goes. Have you seen any gameplay of this game.

There was no platformer on the GC better than Jak1..2&3.


Hot Shots Golf? Come on man I'd rather play Tiger Woods on the Wii. You talking about games pushing Technology and you bring this up.


Hot shots Golf5 blows away any golf game on the 360 and the Wii, it's coming with online play just like HSG-FORE, the appeal of this game goes beyond just golf lovers, it's appeal is more widespread than tiger woods would ever dream of.


Warhawk. Is irreleveant look at the competition this game has this year. As far as massive online shooters. Why play this instead of Frontlines Fuel of War or Quake Wars, or Battleifield Bad Company or UT3 or Halo 3 even. It could be good but the thing that is going to sell this game is that's its cheap and it's on the PSN.

I'll tell you why, because I can play all of these games minus Halo 3 as well as the solidly previewed warhawk.


Anybody can make a list of games and claim the suckitude or the greatness of them. Bottom line the PS3 has not delievered a geaet game yet. The Best game is an average shooter followed by a gimped arcade rally racer. You talking about games moving consoles. The PS3 has nothing.BS, you can't make a list for your precious 360 without listing a whole bunch of titles I can play without getting a 360. Why is it that you guys always pimp Ubisoft multiplats as if they were exclusive? are the best games on the 360 multiplats? it's really a sad affair. Do you think that I will be deprived of titles like Bioshock and Alan Wake, amongst all these high profile multiplats one of the games I'm really looking forward too is Dark Sector, that game looks better than GeOW IMO.


Halo 3 will move consoles and GTAIV will move a lot more 360'a a $400 than PS3's at $600.
You know what, we will see about that. I can't say I'm as optimistic as you though.


And to finish this Killzone? please? GGames have never made a good game. The best they've come was a isometric 3rd person shooter on the PSP. And you think KZ2 is going to be a savior. That CG trailer completely sold you huh buddy?Tell me this, you keep spewing this crap about devs not having hit games, according to you "When was the last time such and such a dev made a great game and all that ass?" What was Bungie's hit game before Halo? Can you answer that?

[Gadfly2317]

How can anyone look at this post and not think of you as anything but a MS shill? You like crying about how other people like to pretend they are partial but you're one of the biggest pretenders here.

I don't know, I read his post and wanted to run out and buy a 360. And this from a guy who thinks Lair looks like the coolest thing in the gaming pipeline. I hate the way this has turned out. I love my Ps2, I'd love the b/c of the Ps3 and eventually there'll be some games and the price won't always be $600, but damn the games are rolling.

And yes, Blue Dragon does look freaking amazing. And yes, Forza 2 looks like it smokes the increasingly stale Gran Turismo franchise. . . and basically, Drunk nailed it all as far as I'm concerned.

[Gadfly2317]

uh! huh?


Well dangit! I hope it's better than GT4 because GT5 will absolutely smoke GT4. Mark my words though and you can put this one in your sig for good ole times...GT5 at the time of it's release will be the best looking game on any console and the smoothest racer on any platform......


I hope we can finally get some damage modelling, and hopefully it won't have the same damn tracks and repetitive gameplay. In fact, I thought the modes in GT4 were the worst in the series. Gran Turismo blew my mind, I played it for months almost exclusively. I had Gran Turismo parties at my house. I don't know how my Ps1 survived the Gran Turismo abuse. But sorry, GT4 was an overhyped dissapointment and Forza2 looks cool. GT5. . .hey, maybe it will step up and blow the worlds mind. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Btw, when is GT5 coming out?

[slade]

I don't know, I read his post and wanted to run out and buy a 360. And this from a guy who thinks Lair looks like the coolest thing in the gaming pipeline. I hate the way this has turned out. I love my Ps2, I'd love the b/c of the Ps3 and eventually there'll be some games and the price won't always be $600, but damn the games are rolling.

And yes, Blue Dragon does look freaking amazing. And yes, Forza 2 looks like it smokes the increasingly stale Gran Turismo franchise. . . and basically, Drunk nailed it all as far as I'm concerned.

It goes so far beyond just GT and Forza, two games I wouldn't buy anyway. Basically, he insinuated that Naughty Dog were an unproven developer and then went on to list games from Rare and Silicone Knights. Naughty Dog's entire portfolio last gen massacres these two developers. We've got more proven developers in just Naughty Dog and Insomniac then MS's entire first party and both developers are actually productive unlike Rare and Silicone Knights.

Anyway, I was considering making a list wars comparison but then I figured why bother. The problem right now is that there is still very little information out there concerning a majority of PS3 exclusive titles. Unfortunately, some of the biggest titles on PS3 fall into that category. Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet Future, Little Big Planet, White Knight Story, Eight Days, Wardevil etc etc. There is little information about most of these titles if all you look at are the mainstream websites. You have to be part of the bigger forums to know more about these games. For example, TLW mentioned stuff about Mass Effect being downgraded and I was there when they released screenshots from the game that looked significantly worse then anything they had shown up to that point. Now the developers were quick to damage control and said that the screens were released by some numbskull but the damage has been done.

Anyway, both consoles are going through a drought for me right now. I take solace in the fact that I can still grab a couple of PS2 titles and play those while I wait for the PS3 to pick up steam. Something that will be fixed with the release of Ninja Gaiden Sigma in June and Lair in July. Another little known title like Folks Soul also comes out in June although it is being released in Japan first. If it has English language support though, I will import it. This is better then the 360, which won't really have anything for me until Too Human launches and then it seems I have to settle in for a long wait again for Alan Wake, which is a 2008 title now.

[thelastword]

I hope we can finally get some damage modelling, and hopefully it won't have the same damn tracks and repetitive gameplay. In fact, I thought the modes in GT4 were the worst in the series. Gran Turismo blew my mind, I played it for months almost exclusively. I had Gran Turismo parties at my house. I don't know how my Ps1 survived the Gran Turismo abuse. But sorry, GT4 was an overhyped dissapointment and Forza2 looks cool. GT5. . .hey, maybe it will step up and blow the worlds mind. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Btw, when is GT5 coming out?GT5 should be coming out early 2008, around February/March.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

It goes so far beyond just GT and Forza, two games I wouldn't buy anyway. Basically, he insinuated that Naughty Dog were an unproven developer and then went on to list games from Rare and Silicone Knights. Naughty Dog's entire portfolio last gen massacres these two developers. We've got more proven developers in just Naughty Dog and Insomniac then MS's entire first party and both developers are actually productive unlike Rare and Silicone Knights.

Rare productiveness. Everybody says this about Rare but Rare released Conker, PD0, and Kameo all within a year. Kameo and Conker at the time of release were the two most technically impressive games out on console. Maybe PGR3 was more so than Kameo. The quality of the games are questionable and Rare does seem to have lost there Nintendo Magic. But Viva Pinata seems to be a return to form.

Jak and Daxter according to Gamerankings.com got worse with every iteration. While personally I feel the first one was overated the second I didn't play because of all the bad buzz and the 3rd was terrible. And the racer was horrid especially since it came from the team who made one of my favorite racing games of all time period. But if you fell that Naughty Dog gets a pass so be it.

Insomniac is decent. You will always get a cetain level of quality with them. I just feel like the first 3 R&C games are completely identical and really can't tell them apart. And the new one according to them are going rigth back to that Style. So if you want the same game all over again I guess that's fine. I guess you have no problem with that since you are so hyped over DMC4 a game where the Devs say that it will play just like the previous one.

Silicon Knights may take forever but there games deliver and Too Human seems like it's going to deliver.



Anyway, both consoles are going through a drought for me right now. I take solace in the fact that I can still grab a couple of PS2 titles and play those while I wait for the PS3 to pick up steam. Something that will be fixed with the release of Ninja Gaiden Sigma in June and Lair in July. Another little known title like Folks Soul also comes out in June although it is being released in Japan first. If it has English language support though, I will import it. This is better then the 360, which won't really have anything for me until Too Human launches and then it seems I have to settle in for a long wait again for Alan Wake, which is a 2008 title now.

Hilarous you are the one who has a post titled "Ninja Gaiden Sucks" you are the one who has gone on about how over rated Team Ninja is and they make games on Xbox because of lack of competition. Yet you are looking forward to there next gen Port oops remake of a game that you just played not a few months ago? And you call me a shill... please :rolleyes:

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

uh! huh?



I didn't read any previews, I watched the preview on IGN WEEKLY, episode 43 to be exact. There was quite a bit of footage shown, by Dennis Dyack himself.

I think that the story in Too Human could be good (Norse Mythology), the music seems ok as well, but the gameplay is where it's seems out of whack. Melding the action set of GOW & DMC etc..(well according to Mr Dyack anyway) isn't yielding fluid like action gameplay to me. You want to know of an action rpg that looked and felt smooth the first that you laid your eyes upon it? Kingdom Hearts, and that was last gen.

As for Hsword being half the game that Too Human is, it just shows how ignorant you really are, but then in the end the games will prove themselves.


Halo-CE was good but not perfect, introduction of the flood later in the game felt a bit off and the last level was pretty much a slideshow. Now putting that shooter against RFOM, it's lack of polish clearly shows and they are both launch day shooters. I think what made Halo is not so much it's single player, but moreso it's multiplayer, why do you think Bungie concentrated more on the multiplayer aspects of Halo2 as opposed to it's singleplayer?

I'm not saying that Halo 3 will be a bad game at all. I just think that the RFOM experience is so smooth and that it just gets better and better from the first level to the very end, and that applies to it's graphics and gameplay, not a hint of slowdown and the levels of chaos and geometry that would make the last level in Halo-CE look seriously barren. RFOM is like the exponential experience of greatness IMO (as it relates to console shooters) and I see Insomniac doing great things with RFOM 2 in 2008.



Really?


How many copies did it sell in Japan? the home of JRPG's, how many xbots on this very forum have their copies reserved? Do you? How does Blue Dragon stack up to FF12 on the PS2?

This isn't funny, you want to talk about pixar level animation and graphics, look no further than Ratchet and Clank.

Kingdom Under Fire? are you insane?



Yeah!, you mean there are reviews of Forza 2 out already? Damn man you're unto **** quick, I'll be sure to check them out...:rolleyes:

Well dangit! I hope it's better than GT4 because GT5 will absolutely smoke GT4. Mark my words though and you can put this one in your sig for good ole times...GT5 at the time of it's release will be the best looking game on any console and the smoothest racer on any platform......



I've seen Ratchet in action, it lands this fall. Have you seen gameplay of threeie? When is it landing? Questions...Questions...



Go on..Enchanted Arms won't be on PS3, Saints Row won't be on PS3, Kane and Lynch won't be on PS3, Eternal Sonata Won't be on PS3, NG2 won't be on PS3..oops, did I spill that one too soon. Dude, If I have to make a list of what won't be on the 360, it won't be funny anymore. Free Radical is working on an exclusive PS3 project, Haze is going to come before it, these guys gave us timesplitters. According to EGM, there's a rumour that Team Ninja is working on a secret DOA project for the PS3. You know you can take your ONLY ON and shove it up your dhumbasster.




Really, you mean F5 is just an average run of the mill dev house? So Lair is going to suck donkey balls? I see...



Yet again.... really? I guess I must be dhumbfounded, oh! my...but I'm reading this off.. IGN...and it says...


link (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/783/783536p1.html)

What do you know, I'm not that Dhumb I guess....



And your point is? Are you a tool? Do you know what an engine is? Do you think that the Hsword is the very same game that it was on the xbox in it's intial stages, do you think that they're technically the same? Did you know that God of War's engine is derived from the game Kinetica on the PS2. You have no idea what an engine is and how it can be retooled to take advantage of beefier hardware, In that case you know nothing of Hsword and it's tech. I'll tell you this, Hsword is more a less a game built ground up for the PS3.



Did you see the HUD in that trailer?



There was no platformer on the GC better than Jak1..2&3.



Hot shots Golf5 blows away any golf game on the 360 and the Wii, it's coming with online play just like HSG-FORE, the appeal of this game goes beyond just golf lovers, it's appeal is more widespread than tiger woods would ever dream of.



I'll tell you why, because I can play all of these games minus Halo 3 as well as the solidly previewed warhawk.

BS, you can't make a list for your precious 360 without listing a whole bunch of titles I can play without getting a 360. Why is it that you guys always pimp Ubisoft multiplats as if they were exclusive? are the best games on the 360 multiplats? it's really a sad affair. Do you think that I will be deprived of titles like Bioshock and Alan Wake, amongst all these high profile multiplats one of the games I'm really looking forward too is Dark Sector, that game looks better than GeOW IMO.


You know what, we will see about that. I can't say I'm as optimistic as you though.

Tell me this, you keep spewing this crap about devs not having hit games, according to you "When was the last time such and such a dev made a great game and all that ass?" What was Bungie's hit game before Halo? Can you answer that?


Not going to bother replying to all that. We'll see the quality of games when they release. Of course you will complain how Reviewers didn't play the whole game (like you did with RFOM) and the PS3 games are better anyway.

Bungie had several hit games on the Mac. They weren't monster sellers but they were all high quality games (Marathon) Name me one Developer who made junk games then turned out a world beater?

[thelastword]

Bungie had several hit games on the Mac. They weren't monster sellers but they were all high quality games (Marathon) Name me one Developer who made junk games then turned out a world beater?"Bungie had several hit games on the mac" yeah? I mean really? "Marathon was one of these high quality, hit titles" Seriously?....Dude, it's over.....

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

"Bungie had several hit games on the mac" yeah? I mean really? "Marathon was one of these high quality, hit titles" Seriously?....Dude, it's over.....

Anyone who knows about games who reads this board. Knows How ignorant you sound. Marathon was a fvcking series it's a franchise.

Go google Bungie and do the research yourself.

[Dancer O_o]

"Bungie had several hit games on the mac" yeah? I mean really? "Marathon was one of these high quality, hit titles" Seriously?....Dude, it's over.....

Marathon was a good game, it was one of the only games I ever played on a MAC oh so long ago, there may have been more than one Marathon game but i can't remember. I do remember thinking MS made a good purchase in acquiring them, they also made one of my favorite RTS series of all-time, Myth (make way for the molotov cocktail chucking dwarfs). There is clearly no doubt that Bungie is an exceptional developer. Anyone who says otherwise is ignorant of their history.

[folken001]

God I hated Myth. One of the most boring games I've ever played. It still holds my best personal record among all other games. It puts me to sleep in about 5 mins and no other game has yet to be able to surpass that. Wait, no game has yet to come even close to that!

Slade's reply to DTM is nothing short of amazing. Seriously, how can you say you aren't a MS shill when you lick its a@@ all over? Not that I am trying to offend DTM, but I dont' see how you can list games like Kameo and PD0 like they are something great. I am sure they could be your personal favorites but that doesn't really worth anything. Rare hasn't had anything significant ever since Conker on 64? After its bought out, its popularity went straight down the crap hole. Most of the talents left the company. What M$ bought was really mere shell of it. And, what greatness do you really expect out of it? I think it's a mockery to even compare Rare to companies like Naughty Dogs.

Look here, what DTM is doing is like me saying that I am not a Sony fanboy. I am pretty sure everyone here will have a good laugh at it and tell me to stop lying. And, you know what, I don't post nearly Sony-a@@ kissing posts as much as DTM do for M$.

[Dancer O_o]

God I hated Myth. One of the most boring games I've ever played. It still holds my best personal record among all other games. It puts me to sleep in about 5 mins and no other game has yet to be able to surpass that. Wait, no game has yet to come even close to that!

Are you sure you are not thinking of MYST and not Myth? The games names sound nearly identical but are completely different. I can understand not liking a RTS game though, it is niche. Myst is a boring puzzle game I hated nearly as much as you hated Myth the RTS game.

[ilnadmy]

Everybody says this about Rare but Rare released Conker, PD0, and Kameo all within a year.

They probably would have benefited from spreading them out a little.

[thelastword]

Marathon was a good game, it was one of the only games I ever played on a MAC oh so long ago, there may have been more than one Marathon game but i can't remember. I do remember thinking MS made a good purchase in acquiring them, they also made one of my favorite RTS series of all-time, Myth (make way for the molotov cocktail chucking dwarfs). There is clearly no doubt that Bungie is an exceptional developer. Anyone who says otherwise is ignorant of their history.Marathon may have been a good game, but it sure wasn't a hit game. On the Mac though any game can be considered good, because there's not many games on the mac to begin with. So I'll tell you this; Marathon is no Halflife, it's no Deus-Ex, it's no NOLF and in a space where all these games exist marathon would would not be considered good. Halo-CE is considered Bungie's best game and even then, it is considered below these FPS games I mentioned, so then, where does that put marathon.

[folken001]

Are you sure you are not thinking of MYST and not Myth? The games names sound nearly identical but are completely different. I can understand not liking a RTS game though, it is niche. Myst is a boring puzzle game I hated nearly as much as you hated Myth the RTS game.

oooh right. I was thinking about myst. Sorry about that. I've never played myth but myst scarred me when I was still a innocent child.

[thelastword]

Anyone who knows about games who reads this board. Knows How ignorant you sound. Marathon was a fvcking series it's a franchise.

Go google Bungie and do the research yourself.I didn't see your post, anyway, Marathon is a 3 game series, the darn thing is free, what makes it an effin hit game/series. Are you now comparing games on the mac to PC and console games that are reviewed well and sell tonnes. This is too sad.

[Dancer O_o]

Marathon may have been a good game, but it sure wasn't a hit game. On the Mac though any game can be considered good, because there's not many games on the mac to begin with. So I'll tell you this; Marathon is no Halflife, it's no Deus-Ex, it's no NOLF and in a space where all these games exist marathon would would not be considered good. Halo-CE is considered Bungie's best game and even then, it is considered below these FPS games I mentioned, so then, where does that put marathon.

Hmm, Marathon was good for its day and anything on the MAC was considered a godsend, so you are correct about that. I believe Marathon was a bit before Half Life's time and there are a lot of people that just love it to death, I can't even remember the story its been so long now, so I am not too sure how it ranks against the big FPS titles like you mentioned.

One thing I do remember now though, Bungie was floundering before MS bought them. The Myth series was on it's last legs and just finally moved into true 3D (Wolfs Age). I remember buying the game and not being able to get it to work with any system I had because of limited video support and I had 2 or 3 state of the art machines back then, pissed. And then I got a PC games magazine CD trailer of Halo coming the PC and MAC, not the Xbox because the damned thing hadn't been invented yet. I still have that trailer actually. Anyway, Halo was to be its saving grace because Bungie was not turning out enough games a year to sustain them. I don't know what their financials were back then but they must have been in a bind to sell like they did, MS way overpaid for them as they laughed all the way to the bank from what I recall.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

God I hated Myth. One of the most boring games I've ever played. It still holds my best personal record among all other games. It puts me to sleep in about 5 mins and no other game has yet to be able to surpass that. Wait, no game has yet to come even close to that!

Slade's reply to DTM is nothing short of amazing. Seriously, how can you say you aren't a MS shill when you lick its a@@ all over? Not that I am trying to offend DTM, but I dont' see how you can list games like Kameo and PD0 like they are something great. I am sure they could be your personal favorites but that doesn't really worth anything. Rare hasn't had anything significant ever since Conker on 64? After its bought out, its popularity went straight down the crap hole. Most of the talents left the company. What M$ bought was really mere shell of it. And, what greatness do you really expect out of it? I think it's a mockery to even compare Rare to companies like Naughty Dogs.

Look here, what DTM is doing is like me saying that I am not a Sony fanboy. I am pretty sure everyone here will have a good laugh at it and tell me to stop lying. And, you know what, I don't post nearly Sony-a@@ kissing posts as much as DTM do for M$.


My Final reply. Read it slow because obviously you are mentally challenged.

Let's make a few points here I"m going to number them for you let's make this easy ok.

1. Me being a MS shill? Not true I like the Xbox call me a Xbot ok call me a xbox fanboy cool. I have a preference for the Xbox. It's a MS product. But I don't go on pimping anything else from MS. Do you see me posting my love for the Zune? or Even Windows? I say I might upgrade to Vista but that's because of PC games none which are by MS. Crysis for example. Next gen format wars. I prefer blu ray I have said that. I didn't buy MS dumb ass HD DVD add on.

2. I loved the PSone I loved the PSP my favorite game of all time is a Sony property. I own a PS2 as well and eventually I will own a PS3 plus. I have nothing against Sony. I have never attacked there management or anything. I'm not a big fan of the PS3 I thinke Sony lied. But MS has shi++y built product. If mines breakdown I'll post it here. MS customer service a crap as well.

3.Let's get this through your thick head. Folky the Xbox(s) and Playstation(s) aren't the only products of these companies and is not fully indicative of the company. I have a preference for one of the product which is what Systems wars about.

4.Company Shill= you lastword and slade. lastword is so obvious the argument needen't even be made. Your buddy slade has shunned a console with a plethora of games from a developoer he claims to love. Picks it up when the console is dying. But will admittedly buy a console with not much games available in is stated preference of games. The one game available (Genji) get's trashed everywhere. Now reviews aren't the be all and end all but how many universally panned games are really good? (mochan don't bother it's understood you like sucky games :D ). Another example how often did Slade dogg Team Ninja last Gen. Read is post in the Xbox forum about Ninja Gaiden (Ninja Gaiden Sucks) Now he is going to buy a updated port of that same game? But oh it's on Sony's platform. Dude is a shill.

You just go read your ridiculous post about Capcom betraying there fames because they are making a game multiplatform. Still never explained the logic behind that one buddy. Plus go ahead and repeat your well documented stance on MS. Everyone here knows it. Now I challenge you to find any post by me that is praising MS the way the lastzealot praises sony. Find any post by me professing my undying hatred of Sony similar to your stance on MS. Find any post by me hating on a Sony game then loving it when it comes to the Xbox platforms ala slade. Go ahead find any post like that by me and I'll change my sig to "DTM am Folkens Beyotch"

5 A few other points to touch on lastword give it up. You were wrong about bungie and you know it move on. They were a qualtiy dev before Halo. Gurreilla games is garbage. Always have been. Marathon is Freeware but it wasn't always jacka$$. I was going to wait on Myth but Dancer bougth that up.

Rare games Folky slade commented on there level of production I stated 3 games they put out within a year. I've never said PD0 was great. I don't think it was the worst game but it fell far short of the superior PD on the N64. I liked Kameo and technically graphic wise it still stands up today.

6.And this goes out to a few people on this board. Who have weak ass arguments and when they can't defend they stance they resort to ignornat blanket statements

ilnadmy and any of his post directed at Xbot in general.
or Mochan and how Xbots are brainwashed into liking Halo
Zilla Xbots don't buy anything but shooters.

Serious guys step your game up.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

God I hated Myth. One of the most boring games I've ever played. It still holds my best personal record among all other games. It puts me to sleep in about 5 mins and no other game has yet to be able to surpass that. Wait, no game has yet to come even close to that!

Slade's reply to DTM is nothing short of amazing. Seriously, how can you say you aren't a MS shill when you lick its a@@ all over? Not that I am trying to offend DTM, but I dont' see how you can list games like Kameo and PD0 like they are something great. I am sure they could be your personal favorites but that doesn't really worth anything. Rare hasn't had anything significant ever since Conker on 64? After its bought out, its popularity went straight down the crap hole. Most of the talents left the company. What M$ bought was really mere shell of it. And, what greatness do you really expect out of it? I think it's a mockery to even compare Rare to companies like Naughty Dogs.

Look here, what DTM is doing is like me saying that I am not a Sony fanboy. I am pretty sure everyone here will have a good laugh at it and tell me to stop lying. And, you know what, I don't post nearly Sony-a@@ kissing posts as much as DTM do for M$.


My Final reply. Read it slow because obviously you are mentally challenged.

Let's make a few points here I"m going to number them for you let's make this easy ok.

1. Me being a MS shill? Not true I like the Xbox call me a Xbot ok call me a xbox fanboy cool. I have a preference for the Xbox. It's a MS product. But I don't go on pimping anything else from MS. Do you see me posting my love for the Zune? or Even Windows? I say I might upgrade to Vista but that's because of PC games none which are by MS. Crysis for example. Next gen format wars. I prefer blu ray I have said that. I didn't buy MS dumb ass HD DVD add on.

2. I loved the PSone I loved the PSP my favorite game of all time is a Sony property. I own a PS2 as well and eventually I will own a PS3 plus. I have nothing against Sony. I have never attacked there management or anything. I'm not a big fan of the PS3 I thinke Sony lied. But MS has shi++y built product. If mines breakdown I'll post it here. MS customer service a crap as well.

3.Let's get this through your thick head. Folky the Xbox(s) and Playstation(s) aren't the only products of these companies and is not fully indicative of the company. I have a preference for one of the product which is what Systems wars about.

4.Company Shill= you lastword and slade. lastword is so obvious the argument needen't even be made. Your buddy slade has shunned a console with a plethora of games from a developoer he claims to love. Picks it up when the console is dying. But will admittedly buy a console with not much games available in is stated preference of games. The one game available (Genji) get's trashed everywhere. Now reviews aren't the be all and end all but how many universally panned games are really good? (mochan don't bother it's understood you like sucky games :D ). Another example how often did Slade dogg Team Ninja last Gen. Read is post in the Xbox forum about Ninja Gaiden (Ninja Gaiden Sucks) Now he is going to buy a updated port of that same game? But oh it's on Sony's platform. Dude is a shill.

You just go read your ridiculous post about Capcom betraying there fames because they are making a game multiplatform. Still never explained the logic behind that one buddy. Plus go ahead and repeat your well documented stance on MS. Everyone here knows it. Now I challenge you to find any post by me that is praising MS the way the lastzealot praises sony. Find any post by me professing my undying hatred of Sony similar to your stance on MS. Find any post by me hating on a Sony game then loving it when it comes to the Xbox platforms ala slade. Go ahead find any post like that by me and I'll change my sig to "DTM am Folkens Beyotch"

5 A few other points to touch on lastword give it up. You were wrong about bungie and you know it move on. They were a qualtiy dev before Halo. Gurreilla games is garbage. Always have been. Marathon is Freeware but it wasn't always jacka$$. I was going to wait on Myth but Dancer bougth that up.

Rare games Folky slade commented on there level of production I stated 3 games they put out within a year. I've never said PD0 was great. I don't think it was the worst game but it fell far short of the superior PD on the N64. I liked Kameo and technically graphic wise it still stands up today.

6.And this goes out to a few people on this board. Who have weak ass arguments and when they can't defend they stance they resort to ignornat blanket statements

ilnadmy and any of his post directed at Xbot in general.
or Mochan and how Xbots are brainwashed into liking Halo
Zilla Xbots don't buy anything but shooters.

Serious guys step your game up.

[ilnadmy]

Yeah so I made a few posts where I refer to Xbots, I never feel like searching the forums to find the specific post from the past that I am referring to, so I say Xbots. People end up saying "not me" or "not so and so" and so eventually we narrow it down to who it was who said it.

I'm a lazy bastard. Sue me.

[slade]

Heh, forget him, he's still fronting and the sad thing is he knows it.

The only proof you really need to see he's a MS shill is how giddy he got when he thought GTA4 was going to be exclusive to 360. But there's so much more.

[Cuddly Knife]

I liked Kameo. It was different in gameplay compared to the usual platformers, and the graphics still kick ass to this day, even for a launch title. PD0 was sh!t. Viva Pinata is a fun game in small doses. For me, at least.

[Gadfly2317]

Rare productiveness. Everybody says this about Rare but Rare released Conker, PD0, and Kameo all within a year. Kameo and Conker at the time of release were the two most technically impressive games out on console.

Conker was a prettied up remake and Kameo had been in development since before the Gamecube came out. Don't you remember the Kameo screenshots on the Gamecube boxes at launch?

It always seemed dumb for MS to buy Rare for half-a billion dollars, it always seemed dumb that Nintendo sold it (aside from raking in more cash, like they needed it :rolleyes: ), and it always seemed weird that Rare felt "constrained" by Nintendo's demands and "interference" ie making sure the games were polished and didn't suck.

Viva Pinata and Kameo should have been on the GC or Wii and in a market that would appreciate them, hi-definition be damned.

[ilnadmy]

To be honest, after Rare left Nintendo they haven't made a single game that could be considered a "must-have". Nintendo knew what they were doing.

[Mochan]

Myth was a so-so RTS with good graphics for its time but the gameplay was very shallow. It mostly involved standing on high ground and showering opponents with sniper arrows.

Myth 2 and some other sequels I think were released but I didn't get into them, because Myth 1 wasn't very impresive. I never played Marathon. Oni was a snorefest and an insult to the anime-style. And we all know what I think about Halo.

And yes XBots are brainwashed into the Halo thing and yes it is just an average FPS at best.

[NEO-360]

Sorta like Halo then.

Last time I checked not only do gamers STILL play Halo 2 on multiplayer mode online to this day.In addition Halo 3 will be the most anticipated game on any console out this year followed up by Halo Wars. And what major player on the PS3 roster has that kind of hype for 2007? MGS4 come this Winter in December. Other than that whats left? Nada.

EA say judge the PS3 in two years? BS! I say judge them now. Its been half a year for the PS3 already. And what have we seen thus far from the PS3 that we cant get from the PS2? Nothing. The textures indeed and the processing power are the only things seperating the two. What about the games? PS2 by a landslide. Especially when it comes to EA games.

EA telling consumers wait two years before before passing judgement on the PS3 is about as pathetic as the hermathradites that wanted to start a petition about DMC4 being ported to the 360 instead of being a mere PS3 exclusive.

Xbox 360 owners: :D
PS3 owners: :mad2:

Any questions?

[ilnadmy]

Yeah I have a question.

Why are you back? It was so nice when you were gone.

*sigh*

Back to this argument again, huh? Well RFOM is still being played online, and you can bet your ass it's going to be a series, so what then? As soon as part 2 comes out it immediately becomes a better game? Pleeeease. A franchise does not mean "good game". It means "financially successful", yes, but not specifically "good".

[NEO-360]

Yeah I have a question.

Why are you back? It was so nice when you were gone.

*sigh*

Back to this argument again, huh? Well RFOM is still being played online, and you can bet your ass it's going to be a series, so what then? As soon as part 2 comes out it immediately becomes a better game? Pleeeease. A franchise does not mean "good game". It means "financially successful", yes, but not specifically "good".

A franchise doesnt mean a "good game" in your opinion? Well to you that may hold water. But to those that continue to support any series by purchasing those games time after time with great consistantcy begs to differ. :aureola:

[ilnadmy]

So you'd say Spyro the Dragon is a good game? As are the games in the Resident Evil Survivor series? Mary Kate and Ashley must be a good game since there are, like, 5 games in the series! Oh, Barbie Balloon Bonanza must also be awesome, since its the 645th in the series too.

Gimme a break man. Series mean more money, not necessarily good games.

[NEO-360]

Howi s the 360 version of GTA IV supposed to be better? Sam Houser's said that both platforms will have exclusive downloadable content.

Not only that, the 360 version might not even have custom soundtracks - due to the fact the Rockstar's said they have to program that version as if there's no hard drive (like they did with the PS2) because some people just have the tard pack. With PS3 they know everyone has a drive so that version will definitely have custom soundtracks.

Everybody knows that the Xbox 360 does in fact support custom soundtrack features big time. And the all powerful PS3 doesnt support the feature AT ALL! That alone truly seperates the two versions of GTA IV big time! The part that truly makes no sense is why?

Downloadable content shouldnt be a problem for both consoles considering both has great HD's packed with them. But nothing truly makes the GTA experience better than being able to listen to your own tunes while playing the game. Edge:360's version.:cool:

Exclusive downloadable content will indeed be the small factor that will in fact seperate the difference with alot of upcoming titles that the PS3 and the 360 will share. GTA will be no different.:cool:

[NEO-360]

So you'd say Spyro the Dragon is a good game? As are the games in the Resident Evil Survivor series? Mary Kate and Ashley must be a good game since there are, like, 5 games in the series! Oh, Barbie Balloon Bonanza must also be awesome, since its the 645th in the series too.

Gimme a break man. Series mean more money, not necessarily good games.

If gamers continue to buy those games in a series then in their eyes they feel the game series is good enough to continue to support. In their eyes they feel those games are good. Its in the eyes of the beholder ilnadmy. What do opinions and anuses have in common? Everybody has one.

And the videogame industry is no different. Some say Halo was the greatest FPS ever made. And others beg to differ. Some say Final Fantasy was the best RPG series ever. Some may say different. Thats just the way the cookie crumbles.:p

[ilnadmy]

Sure, people have opinions. But I think most critics, and gamers for that matter, will tell you the Mary Kate and Ashley series is crap. Thus, series does not equal good.

[thelastword]

Halo is the most important franchise for the xbox, but that's where it gets tricky and that's where it has always gotten tricky. The truth is, this gen we're looking at two consoles that has a tonne of shooters coming down the pipeline, there's no lack of shooters. The fact that the most important game on the 360 is a shooter is going to be tough. Looking at third parties alone, there's COD4 which looks much more impressive to me than HALO3, then there are games like UT3, Frontlines-Fuel Of War, Mercenaries, Haze, Medal Of Honour-Airbourne, Army Of Two, Turok etc.. there's just a tonne of games in that very genre that looks quite impressive, so it's not a homerun for HALO3, it's not that simple (don't get me wrong, it will sell tonnes) but not as much as before.

Looking into this even further though, it's clear that the PS3 has a higher stable of high profile shooters. The PS3 has Killzone, RFOM2 and Wardevil coming up, yes, Ms has Halo which has a proven record, but at the time when the Halo's came the PS2 didn't have as good a controller for FPS as the PS3 does and the PS2 didn't have a GPU that could do bumpmapping on the fly. The fact is, these are different times and if Halo3 is no better than say COD4 which is going to be available across the board, then why should I purchase Halo3 just because the first two were good to descent? Games are not getting cheaper afterall.....

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

War Devil is coming to the 360 is well. COD4 IF WE go by history will play better on the 360. As well as the ubi soft miltary shooters. Not only does the 360 have Halo which will be the biggest shooter of the year the biggest shooter this gen so far is Gears of War and it's a 360 title. And the six axis is as bad for shooter as the dual shock was. It's even worse because of lack of rumble. Until Sony makes a controller with better quality analogue sticks and off set them on the face of the controller it will continue to have a weak controller for shooters.

[thelastword]

War Devil is coming to the 360 is well. COD4 IF WE go by history will play better on the 360. As well as the ubi soft miltary shooters. Not only does the 360 have Halo which will be the biggest shooter of the year the biggest shooter this gen so far is Gears of War and it's a 360 title. And the six axis is as bad for shooter as the dual shock was. It's even worse because of lack of rumble. Until Sony makes a controller with better quality analogue sticks and off set them on the face of the controller it will continue to have a weak controller for shooters. The last time I checked Wardevil was a PS3 exclusive, this is a 1080P game you know. Anyway I won't even provide a link, I should be asking you to provide me a link confirming that it's coming to the 360, perhaps that announcement was made just seconds after I submitted this thread, but there's something about you and your inside info, always ahead of the curve aren't you? :rolleyes:

I think the biggest shooter so far is Gears of War, that's in terms of commercial success though, but the best shooter out there is RFOM. Even the Sony hating Garnett Lee of 1up, a passionate FUD spreader against the PS3, declared RFOM the better shooter over Gears. Yes, that same guy who said that PS3 couldn't play dvd's because of bluray and that the PS3 would not have downloadable content due to the split ram. So even a bone dry Ms jockey like Garnett could declare that over his FUD pile.

[thelastword]

COD3 on the 360 is suddenly the chest of history from which you will draw an automatically superior version of COD4 on the 360? This isn't Treyarch developing COD4, this is Infinty Ward here, break your shackles of ignorance.

The only difference between the two versions of COD3 was a slightly better framerate on the 360 version but then that was it's lead platform and treyarch like many third party devs struggled with the PS3. To assume that Infinity Ward is going to struggle with the PS3 after all this time and with the introduction of EDGE is assinine. In any case, there are some devs who are just lower tiered than others. The Guys at Infinity Ward are quite capable coders, the guys at Criterion are probably at the top of their game when it comes to third party capability and talent, even without EDGE these guys would put great, non-halfassed products on the PS3.

Don't forget that the 360 version of COD3 was upscaled to 720p from a lower res, the PS3 version has more pixels drawn onscreen at native res. The fact that these guys just dumped 360 code on the PS3's PPC and could not do the cheating they did on 360 in terms of resolution says alot about the power of the PS3, because in the end the versions are the same minus a couple of frames less for the PS3 at chaotic times. If COD3 is what is going to indicate what future multiplats will fare like in the series, you are in for a rude awakening.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

"blah blah blah edge PS3 blu ray"

COD3 on the 360 actually is up ressed to 1080p and side by side says the 360 version is better. As for infinity ward they are a primarily PC dev the only console they developed on so far is COD 2 for the 360. And we all know the preference of PC dev houses anyway we are jumping the gun. We don't even know what version of COD4 the consoles are getting.

[folken001]

"blah blah blah edge PS3 blu ray"

COD3 on the 360 actually is up ressed to 1080p and side by side says the 360 version is better. As for infinity ward they are a primarily PC dev the only console they developed on so far is COD 2 for the 360. And we all know the preference of PC dev houses anyway we are jumping the gun. We don't even know what version of COD4 the consoles are getting.

COD3 was a ****ty game.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

The last time I checked Wardevil was a PS3 exclusive, this is a 1080P game you know. Anyway I won't even provide a link, I should be asking you to provide me a link confirming that it's coming to the 360, perhaps that announcement was made just seconds after I submitted this thread, but there's something about you and your inside info, always ahead of the curve aren't you? :rolleyes:

I think the biggest shooter so far is Gears of War, that's in terms of commercial success though, but the best shooter out there is RFOM. Even the Sony hating Garnett Lee of 1up, a passionate FUD spreader against the PS3, declared RFOM the better shooter over Gears. Yes, that same guy who said that PS3 couldn't play dvd's because of bluray and that the PS3 would not have downloadable content due to the split ram. So even a bone dry Ms jockey like Garnett could declare that over his FUD pile.

Wardevil is coming to the 360 I actually didn't know it was coming to the PS3
http://xbox360.ign.com/index/games.html?ordering.attribute=game.lower_catalog_n ame&ordering.order=asc&constraint.return_all=is_true&constraint.letter.game.catalog_name=W

Everyone has there preference and that's cool. But the fact is this Commercial success Gears is Better than RFOM
Critical Success Gears is better than RFOM

Gears of War 93.8%
Resistance Fall of Man 88%
Gamerankings.com

Eat it. Honestly if you can't reply with facts to back up your statements don't bother.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

COD3 was a ****ty game.

Your mama wash a ****ty lay.















Sorry I couldn't help myself.:wink:

[folken001]

Your mama wash a ****ty lay.















Sorry I couldn't help myself.:wink:
And you HAD to go and hurt my feelings.......

[thelastword]

"blah blah blah edge PS3 blu ray"

COD3 on the 360 actually is up ressed to 1080p and side by side says the 360 version is better. As for infinity ward they are a primarily PC dev the only console they developed on so far is COD 2 for the 360. And we all know the preference of PC dev houses anyway we are jumping the gun. We don't even know what version of COD4 the consoles are getting.Any 360 game can be uprezzed to 1080p vis VGA, doesn't make them 1080P games. Doesn't make them look as good as native 1080P games.

I'll tell you something on Infinity Ward, after COD2 was released on the PC and the 360, Grant Collier (President of Infinity Ward) was wooing Sony to make COD4 exclusive for their platform, that was on the Bonus Round with Geoff Keighley.

Many PC devs have realized that consoles are where it's at if they want to get better returns and with how powerful these new consoles are, it's a good time for them to make the transition or launch their products across the PS3, 360 and PC. Last time the PC didn't even get COD3, there are PC devs who are capable more than others, they whine less and work harder. Infinity Ward is one of these devs, I respect the guys who are doing (the darkness) they formally worked on (Chronicles of Riddick) and as much as I don't like some aspects of UE3 I have great respect for Epic and their abilities. So in the end the better devs will always deliver the better product, it's just the way it is.

As for which version of COD4 the next gen consoles will receive. I know of (1) one COD4, the same version that will launch across the PC, 360 and the PS3. Now I don't know if some b-rated team is working on another version for the last gen consoles, that is the Wii and PS2, but there is only one version of COD4 atm. Do watch the trailer for COD4, as it's been available for about a week now.

[thelastword]

DIGI-GUYS

WARDEVIL ENIGMA E3 PRESS RELEASE

MAY 11th 2006

WARDEVIL ENIGMA

(For Immediate Release)

Digi-Guys is pleased to unveil WarDevil Enigma at E3 2006. The project is being developed exclusively for the Sony PS3,

The demo, created for E3, can be found at the Playstation3 stand and is running in real-time on PS3 hardware.

WarDevil Enigma is the latest development in the WarDevil project franchise. Digi-Guys is excited to be working with Sony’s flagship next Generation PS3 system.

E3 DEMO

The WarDevil Enigma demo showcases the combined power of the RTE1080 Engine & the PS3, allowing for the creation of ultra high resolution textures, polygon rich characters & environments in real-time that far exceed those of normal gaming products.

TECHNOLOGY DETAILS

Featuring the latest build of the RTE1080 Engine, WarDevil Enigma runs in full 1080P (60fps) mode on the PS3.

The RTE1080 Engine itself can run in a variety of modes & frame rates – although it is designed to take optimal advantage of the PS3 1080P (60 Progressive frames per second) mode, which ensures players a smoother gameplay experience in the highest possible resolution. 1080i & 720P are also supported.

The E3 showcase is still a Technology Work in Progress. Many extra features will be added over the coming months, in preparation for a playable version in Q3 2006.
Link (http://playsyde.com/news_2980_en.html)

That has been known for so long, it's not even funny and you want to talk about facts? dude you are laughable.

[ilnadmy]

Your mama wash a ****ty lay.















Sorry I couldn't help myself.:wink:
His mama washed a ****ty lay? How the hell do you wash a lay? And what the hell is this lay anyway?

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Any 360 game can be uprezzed to 1080p vis VGA, doesn't make them 1080P games. Doesn't make them look as good as native 1080P games.

I'll tell you something on Infinity Ward, after COD2 was released on the PC and the 360, Grant Collier (President of Infinity Ward) was wooing Sony to make COD4 exclusive for their platform, that was on the Bonus Round with Geoff Keighley.

Many PC devs have realized that consoles are where it's at if they want to get better returns and with how powerful these new consoles are, it's a good time for them to make the transition or launch their products across the PS3, 360 and PC. Last time the PC didn't even get COD3, there are PC devs who are capable more than others, they whine less and work harder. Infinity Ward is one of these devs, I respect the guys who are doing (the darkness) they formally worked on (Chronicles of Riddick) and as much as I don't like some aspects of UE3 I have great respect for Epic and their abilities. So in the end the better devs will always deliver the better product, it's just the way it is.

As for which version of COD4 the next gen consoles will receive. I know of (1) one COD4, the same version that will launch across the PC, 360 and the PS3. Now I don't know if some b-rated team is working on another version for the last gen consoles, that is the Wii and PS2, but there is only one version of COD4 atm. Do watch the trailer for COD4, as it's been available for about a week now.


Gawd! After all this time, you are still barkin' up a storm about 1080P. Okay big deal PS3 does 1080P so where are all the good 1080P games? Where are all the good games on PS3 for that matter? Sony made the big mistake of thinking it is all about specs, the specs have to somehow make the games better before they matter!

Far as COD franchise. Someone needs to declare victory and end the damn war. I am sooooo glad I didn't buy COD3. I bummed it off a friend and I was bored to tears after the first level, I didn't even finish it. So the last thing I want to play or see is COD4. 1080P or not!

[Fivespot]

Ironically the PS3 has less 1080p games than the 360 does "native" or not. And the difference between a 1080i game that is upscaled to 1080p vs. a "native" 1080p game is unnoticeable especially when using an Elite 360 with HDMI.

I've been checking multiplat games a lot and most are 1080i and 1080p on the 360 while the same game on the PS3 maxes at 720p.

[thelastword]

Gawd! After all this time, you are still barkin' up a storm about 1080P. Okay big deal PS3 does 1080P so where are all the good 1080P games? Where are all the good games on PS3 for that matter? Sony made the big mistake of thinking it is all about specs, the specs have to somehow make the games better before they matter!

Far as COD franchise. Someone needs to declare victory and end the damn war. I am sooooo glad I didn't buy COD3. I bummed it off a friend and I was bored to tears after the first level, I didn't even finish it. So the last thing I want to play or see is COD4. 1080P or not!This is how you always get things wrong, this is not even about COD4 perse but moreso about capable devs, I'm not pimping COD at all, but it does look more interesting than Halo at this point in time.

No one ever said it would be 1080P, I'm not sure where you're heading with that, perhaps it's your plan to declare I stated it when you discover it's 720P. This has been your trend afterall, so perhaps you want to get your facts straight.


As for COD4 it's no longer based on WW2, it's now modern times based and it looks interesting and different, it might very well spark the series. It's not on my top five games I'm looking forward to this year, but it's one of the more interesting multiplats. I like what COD has done with sound in the series, this one should measure up just the same.

[thelastword]

Ironically the PS3 has less 1080p games than the 360 does "native" or not. And the difference between a 1080i game that is upscaled to 1080p vs. a "native" 1080p game is unnoticeable especially when using an Elite 360 with HDMI.

I've been checking multiplat games a lot and most are 1080i and 1080p on the 360 while the same game on the PS3 maxes at 720p.Well what Lastspot is saying here is pure BS. VT3 on the 360 is upscaled as opposed to the native PS3 version, from recent reports the only native 1080P game on the 360 is NBA STREET HOMECOURT and it's also 1080P on the PS3, well obviously, but then, the game plays better at 720P 60fps and that's how it was meant to be played.

All 360 games can be upscaled to 1080i and 1080P there's no doubt about that due to ANA(scaling chip), but this does not make the game look as detailed as natively drawn 1080P games. There's a wave of 1080P games on the PS3, the 360 has only one which doesn't even run well in that res as I mentioned. I've already made a list of PS3 games that are native 1080P in a previous thread, the endless FUD is vomit inducing, braaahhhh!

[ThaMaskedGamer]

This is how you always get things wrong, this is not even about COD4 perse but moreso about capable devs, I'm not pimping COD at all, but it does look more interesting than Halo at this point in time.

No one ever said it would be 1080P, I'm not sure where you're heading with that, perhaps it's your plan to declare I stated it when you discover it's 720P. This has been your trend afterall, so perhaps you want to get your facts straight.


As for COD4 it's no longer based on WW2, it's now modern times based and it looks interesting and different, it might very well spark the series. It's not on my top five games I'm looking forward to this year, but it's one of the more interesting multiplats. I like what COD has done with sound in the series, this one should measure up just the same.

My first point, if u read it, was simply to say personally I'm sick of HD stats. Really all it is doing is confusing the marketplace. 1080P 720P 1080i who gives a freak! The first thing I care about is how good is the game. If it is a good game, i'm buying it whether it is 1080p or not, long as it is HD.

The second point was not directed at you per se. Which is why I said FAR AS COD4.....
Honestly, I had forgotten that the game is now changing to modern times. That is much needed and hopefully as u say it will breath new life into the franchise. Personally, I would have changed the title away from COD if I was them. But whatever, they are talented, they just seemed to be stuck in a rut with COD3.

I don't know how anybody can be NOT be anticipating Halo3, unless you are a hater. Since 2001 there has only been 2 Halo games, both of them have been very good products. Any true gamer would be pumped about it. But, guess that is just my opinion.

[thelastword]

My first point, if u read it, was simply to say personally I'm sick of HD stats. Really all it is doing is confusing the marketplace. 1080P 720P 1080i who gives a freak! The first thing I care about is how good is the game. If it is a good game, i'm buying it whether it is 1080p or not, long as it is HD.
I agree that a good game is a good game no matter if it's 1080P, 720P or 1080i or even 480P, but that's not the point of debate. The fact is, we have stepped up in this new gen and the technology is that much better. Certain hardware are more capable than others but that doesn't mean that the more capable hardware is all about tech and that gameplay has been have forfeited, this is plain wrong and you know it. As for games going into new places, new IP's, new ideas and experiences, the superior hardware that is PS3 is ahead of the curve.


I don't know how anybody can be NOT be anticipating Halo3, unless you are a hater. Since 2001 there has only been 2 Halo games, both of them have been very good products. Any true gamer would be pumped about it. But, guess that is just my opinion.Hey! I have nothing against Halo3, I thought that Halo-CE was a good shooter when I played it, Halo2 was a mixed bag on a progression standpoint. Clearly, the guys at Bungie will want to hit hard with part 3 and end the trilogy with a bang, but that's not a guarantee, in other words there's no guarantee of critical success here. Halo will have to prove itself just like any other shooter out there, it's a new gen with new and varying competitors.

The market will be ripe with shooters at the time of Halo's release, there's no doubt it will outsell them all, but will it be better than all of them? It was the best looking shooter on consoles at the time the first one made it's debut, will the same apply when it hits the shelf this time around, it had very solid Ai when it launched, but the fact is, there were'nt many high profile shooters on the other consoles to compare it with. There are many factors to consider, all the major PC devs are now devving on all next gen consoles this round. PC devs who's been doing just that for years will be putting out their products, the question is, where there is real competition, how will it fare?

I respect solid devs, If they can muster polished efforts time after time after time then I will look forward to their products. There was a lack of polish on both Halo's to be honest despite it's strengths. I'm looking forward to see how it fares in the rat race later on.

[ilnadmy]

So you like Halo but hate COD?

Man...oh man...you really need to go back and replay COD and COD2 (haven't played 3 yet since it's not on PC), but damn that's one of the best FPS games out there! (after NOLF of course)

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Link (http://playsyde.com/news_2980_en.html)

That has been known for so long, it's not even funny and you want to talk about facts? dude you are laughable.

Old jerkoff. That was last year at E3 same time Mercenaries, Assasin Creed, Devil May Cry 4, were all exlusive to the PS3. I guess you are just conviently going to ignore the newer link I posted you are truly a imbecile.

And god come on are you telling me just by looking at the screen you can tell the difference between upscaled 1080p and native? Whatever.

Infinity Ward you like them now huh? So any dev who doesn't call sony on the B.S. design of there hardware is ok in your book?

As for COD4 where do you get your info? No platforms have been announced for it yet. Leat not that I've seen. I'm not denying the possiblitiy it will happen but you are jumping the gun.

[thelastword]

Old jerkoff. That was last year at E3 same time Mercenaries, Assasin Creed, Devil May Cry 4, were all exlusive to the PS3. I guess you are just conviently going to ignore the newer link I posted you are truly a imbecile.
Ok!


Drunken-dumb-ass-ter's. ....so called...newer link............





http://gallery.roadbikereview.com/uploads/vgr/155725/wardevil0a.jpg





Watch when that link was posted you tool, the date when it was announced for the 360 as well as the PS3. I posted a link that was dated May 11, 2006 and yet still you said your link was newer.

So after clicking on that useless link what do I see....... Well Duh!





http://gallery.roadbikereview.com/uploads/vgr/155725/wardevil1a.jpg



I really tried to save your embarasmment, but you are hopeless. There have been many followups and re-affirmations as to the exclusivity of Wardevil on the PS3. If I wanted I could link you the latest info as it relates to Wardevil as recent as March 2007. I linked you instead to the very first time when that announcement was made, just to drive home how long it's been known. You provide me a tripe of a link which says cancelled for the 360, you are an effin moron. Guys like you have no idea what you speak of and its becoming so effin typical.

In the future however, posting IGN's release list to confirm a title reeks of absolute desperation. Post a link where the devs actually give a press release on the issue (like I did), it will serve you much better.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

You got me on that one. To my credit in the most recent issue of 360 gamer a UK 360 mag they have a 2page preview of the game which was actually the first time I even heard of the game.

chalk one up for last word.

[thelastword]

You got me on that one. To my credit in the most recent issue of 360 gamer a UK 360 mag they have a 2page preview of the game which was actually the first time I even heard of the game.

chalk one up for last word.So once again you declare that you were talking out of your ass. Thing is, if you actually chalked up everytime in the past, the world would be out of black-boards many eons ago frankly, but nothing's new here, we can now move on...

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Whatever Jackass. The game has been listed on every major gaming site as coming to the 360. Google the game "Wardevil videogame" and see what comes up. Anyway it's an average looking game coming from a nobody dev team. The previously horrible looking Timeshift looks a lot better.

[thelastword]

Whatever Jackass. The game has been listed on every major gaming site as coming to the 360. Google the game "Wardevil videogame" and see what comes up. Anyway it's an average looking game coming from a nobody dev team. The previously horrible looking Timeshift looks a lot better.Wow, you're still going down that line? brilliant.. and now you've shifted gears..you are one desperate tool.

The previously horrible looking timeshift looks better, but then Wardevil was shown eons ago and looked quite good, do you imagine that it has made some strides just like Timeshift did?

[slade]

Guys like you have no idea what you speak of and its becoming so effin typical.



That's one of the bigger problems with this forum as well as the long time it takes actual news to trickle down here. It's sad because this forum wasn't always the bottom of the barrel when it came to news. Times past, people actually used to discuss the latest issues not weeks after they happened but while they were happening. Many of the posters that actually posted newsworthy items in the old days aren't here any longer and it allows people with no clue about what is actually happening out there to run amok. It's funny because as bad as Waco was, I could still respect him because he knew what was going on out there.

Neither of the two ignorant's you've run into, Drunken and TheMaskedGamer, have a clue what's going on.

[thelastword]

That's one of the bigger problems with this forum as well as the long time it takes actual news to trickle down here. It's sad because this forum wasn't always the bottom of the barrel when it came to news. Times past, people actually used to discuss the latest issues not weeks after they happened but while they were happening. Many of the posters that actually posted newsworthy items in the old days aren't here any longer and it allows people with no clue about what is actually happening out there to run amok. It's funny because as bad as Waco was, I could still respect him because he knew what was going on out there.

Neither of the two ignorant's you've run into, Drunken and TheMaskedGamer, have a clue what's going on.Yeah! pretty much, and the fact that you can school these guys on the facts today, yet tomorrow, they will spew the same ignorant pile like they never heard it before. That's why I made a thread sometime ago on how many of the people here aren't interested in the facts, but are more keen on spreading FUD, and knowingly so. It's a sad state of affairs really.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

God the blind leading the muthaphuking blind :rolleyes:

[thelastword]

Isn't it the guy who's been diagnosed with retinal vein occlusion talking, I mean whowouldofthunkit, who would?

[slade]

Yeah! pretty much, and the fact that you can school these guys on the facts today, yet tomorrow, they will spew the same ignorant pile like they never heard it before. That's why I made a thread sometime ago on how many of the people here aren't interested in the facts, but are more keen on spreading FUD, and knowingly so. It's a sad state of affairs really.

That's the reason why I post so little nowadays. Most of my time I spend ove on GAF, these days.

[thelastword]

That's the reason why I post so little nowadays. Most of my time I spend ove on GAF, these days.Yeah! Gaf is pretty much the first place I head to when I fire up my browser. I started a thread just recently, highlighting an interview where "Relentless", a game studio working a new PS3 IP, have indicated making some serious strides with their PS3 development due to the EDGE suite of tools. These guys including Media Molecule have nothing but absolute respect for Insomniac being that they've basically cracked the code on SPU usage. It was derailed by Doombringer however, with his crazy antics, lol.

Anyways, I've seen you post on and off in most if not all of the DMC threads. Thing is, VGR can be a cool place to make your arguments, but the level of ignorance on many issues is just plain mindboggling at times, so sometimes it defeats the purpose.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Really? Well Why do you troll The Team Xbox forums. Or are you not the Majestic Saint preaching the Sony Gospel.

http://forum.teamxbox.com/search.php?searchid=1153608

[slade]

Yeah! Gaf is pretty much the first place I head to when I fire up my browser. I started a thread just recently, highlighting an interview where "Relentless", a game studio working a new PS3 IP, have indicated making some serious strides with their PS3 development due to the EDGE suite of tools. These guys including Media Molecule have nothing but absolute respect for Insomniac being that they've basically cracked the code on SPU usage. It was derailed by Doombringer however, with his crazy antics, lol.

Anyways, I've seen you post on and off in most if not all of the DMC threads. Thing is, VGR can be a cool place to make your arguments, but the level of ignorance on many issues is just plain mindboggling at times, so sometimes it defeats the purpose.

I usually stay on the gaming side when it comes to posting at GAF. You can actually find someone there that enjoys the same games you do and talk about them. There are like three people that regularly post in the PS3 forum and we don't see eye to eye on most of the games.

I saw that other thread of yours. It got derailed fast. Sony is taking a beating across the board right now. Hopefully, their Gamer's Day next week provides a much needed look at other games heading to the system besides the ones we already know about.

[thelastword]

I usually stay on the gaming side when it comes to posting at GAF. You can actually find someone there that enjoys the same games you do and talk about them. There are like three people that regularly post in the PS3 forum and we don't see eye to eye on most of the games.

I saw that other thread of yours. It got derailed fast. Sony is taking a beating across the board right now. Hopefully, their Gamer's Day next week provides a much needed look at other games heading to the system besides the ones we already know about.Yeah, it's a bit unfortunate that the PS3 section don't get much activity, but this place has such a low member count. Most people tend to post in SysWars where most of the limited activity ensue.

To be honest, I don't post in the other sections and can't really cite a reason to post new info or articles there either, these sections are too dry to sustain any type of worthy dialog. I do think however, that things can improve, but after following and contributing to the latest news at gaf it's just not warranted coming back here to deliberate on the same thing. I think things will or can get better in the future however. It would be great If Namco would put Tekken6 and Soul Calibur 4 online so some of the fans here could duke it out. GT5 and SOCOM and Burnout4 are coming to make an impact in the online space, so perhaps as more VGR members get their hands on PS3's there'll be some interesting sessions online apart from our treasured singleplayer experiences. Perhaps that can generate a spark in the sub sections.

[Gadfly2317]

Yeah! Gaf is pretty much the first place I head to when I fire up my browser. I started a thread just recently, highlighting an interview where "Relentless", a game studio working a new PS3 IP, have indicated making some serious strides with their PS3 development due to the EDGE suite of tools. These guys including Media Molecule have nothing but absolute respect for Insomniac being that they've basically cracked the code on SPU usage. It was derailed by Doombringer however, with his crazy antics, lol.

Anyways, I've seen you post on and off in most if not all of the DMC threads. Thing is, VGR can be a cool place to make your arguments, but the level of ignorance on many issues is just plain mindboggling at times, so sometimes it defeats the purpose.

When things aren't going well, people do tend to isolate themselves in mental ghettos; the comfort of the like-minded.

Is "ignorance" when someone disagrees with you, or are you still harping on that spelling error someone made recently?

Or am I prematurely judging the forum? Is it really worth checking out? I haven't looked at any other gaming discussion forum in a long time because they are always so lame.

[slade]

Sony gets ten times the hate on GAF then you guys could mustre in one year.

[thelastword]

When things aren't going well, people do tend to isolate themselves in mental ghettos; the comfort of the like-minded. Gaf is no PS3forums.com and there's absolutely no reason for me to seek any safe haven anywhere. If anything, the xbots at gaf are just more up to date on the happenings in the gaming world. This discussion is not about anyone promoting Gaf here, it was just an inevitable comparison under the circumstances based on how slowly info and knowledge trickles over to the members here. VGR is unique in it's own way, it should remain that way. I say, let Vgr be Vgr and let Gaf be Gaf, but surely, some members should seek to educate themselves a bit more on the issues they like to talk about.


Is "ignorance" when someone disagrees with you, or are you still harping on that spelling error someone made recently?
No, ignorance is when one knows so little about a game that they can't even spell it's name right, yet still they take pot shots. That's ignorance, you don't criticize what you have no knowledge of.


Or am I prematurely judging the forum? Is it really worth checking out? I haven't looked at any other gaming discussion forum in a long time because they are always so lame.Aren't you already registered? I saw a Junior Member "Gadfly" making a post in a youtube like thread, where some older guys made a kid cry playing Gears of War. I do however agree with the statement that "Gadfly" made there, that was not funny at all.

Anyways, various forums have their plusses and/or minuses. I'm registered at a few forums but I frequent at least 3 of them and that includes Vgr and Gaf. Vgr is great for some laid back arguments and convo's but it's not an ideal place for the latest news and views in the industry. It's no place to interact with industry insiders and it's no place to get thorough impressions and feedback of the latest demo's, games and interviews as a result. In essence, I think members should get their knowledge base up to par elsewhere and come to Vgr to make them interesting slow traffic dialogues.

[thelastword]

Sony gets ten times the hate on GAF then you guys could mustre in one year.Yeah, I was going to go more indepth with that, but I believe the PS3forums.com part should clue him in, hell, even PS3forums .com is flooded with xbots, farless Gaf.