360 losing exclusives.

[slade]

Let me preface this by saying that I was never going to buy any of these titles anyway.

Anyway, first up to bat are Kane and Lynch and Crossfire:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=24390

Next up is the Namco/Bandai RPG, Eternal Sonata aka Trusty Bell although not confirmed as of yet:

http://www.siliconera.com/index.php/2007/04/23/eternal-sonata-also-coming-to-the-ps3/

[PapaSmurf]

Well these aren't big games anyway so it doesn't matter. Oh and they're aren't going from PS3 to the 360 so that's another reason this doesn't matter. Not a big deal at all. It's only a couple games.

[ilnadmy]

Yeah, true. They're only some of the games 360 advocates have been pimping for a while. Not a big deal.

[Mochan]

*yawn* is that all? Tell me when Kameo goes to the PS3.

[folken001]

Yeah, true. They're only some of the games 360 advocates have been pimping for a while. Not a big deal.

Probably more will follow suit. I wonder why Mass Effect is delayed. My guess is that a PS3 version is in the work as well.

I love how all the xbots are now all like "oh i am happy for PS3" or "it's only logical for developers to go multiplatforms". What a bunch liars.

[folken001]

*yawn* is that all? Tell me when Kameo goes to the PS3.
Hmm, nothnx. Kameo can stay with 360.

[Mochan]

'twas supposed to be sarcasm....

[folken001]

'twas supposed to be sarcasm....
well darn, how did you manage to scare me? you need to exercise on that sarcasm muscle of yours more.

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

I kind of knew about Kane & Lynch (I think it was mentioned in the GI Cover story a while ago). I'm disappointed that the game is coming out Holidays 2007. Great idea, Eidos. Here's a new game, why not stick it on store shelves around the time when so many other titles are coming out. That's a great way to establish a possible franchise.

It's a 3rd person shooter, so I'll still get it behind Mercs 2 and Army of Two.

[Gamer From '78]

Probably more will follow suit. I wonder why Mass Effect is delayed. My guess is that a PS3 version is in the work as well.

I love how all the xbots are now all like "oh i am happy for PS3" or "it's only logical for developers to go multiplatforms". What a bunch liars.

1) Mass Effect is being published by Microsoft Game Studios and Bioware is receiving greenbacks from Microsoft. Exclusive.

2) I am happy for PS3 owners to get some more games. Especially given the drought of quality software on the system. It looks right now that I won't buy one until God of War III comes out.

It IS logical that developers create multiplatform titles. You PS3 Milkdrinkers are the only nancy's crying about games like Devil May Cry 4 going multiplat. When have you seen an Xbot here whine about Oblivion, Splinter Cell or F.E.A.R being released on the PS3? Doesn't happen.

Go throw some more books on the fire hater. If it isn't the word of your God Sony, it's crap. :rolleyes:

[Gamer From '78]

Hmm, nothnx. Kameo can stay with 360.

Yes, because Kameo was such a bad platformer right. I mean, why play a game like Kameo when you have a great platformer like.....wait a minute...there ARE no platformers on the PS3! :idea:

You have your head rammed so far up Sony's @$$ that you won't play a good game unless it's on a Sony system. You think Gears of War and Halo are crap, yet you have played through Resistance how many times now??? :rolleyes:

You are about a tool dude. A corporate, sniveling tool. I'll have to make a new GIF of you and LastLoad on a PS3-Blue raft playing bum-darts. :thumbsup:

[silversparrow]

The only big title that the 360 has to lose is BioShock. Others like Mass Effect, Alan Wake, Blue Dragon and Too Human will remain exclusive to the 360 and/or PC.

Ninja Gaiden 2 might end up being ported to the PS3, but I presume that's conditional on how well NG: Sigma does.

[ilnadmy]

Well technically I can play BioShock without needing a 360, but for some reason I see that argument getting a lot of negative backlash here...

[folken001]

Yes, because Kameo was such a bad platformer right. I mean, why play a game like Kameo when you have a great platformer like.....wait a minute...there ARE no platformers on the PS3! :idea:

You have your head rammed so far up Sony's @$$ that you won't play a good game unless it's on a Sony system. You think Gears of War and Halo are crap, yet you have played through Resistance how many times now??? :rolleyes:

You are about a tool dude. A corporate, sniveling tool. I'll have to make a new GIF of you and LastLoad on a PS3-Blue raft playing bum-darts. :thumbsup:

So, I pick no platformer over a bad platformer. What's the problem?

I don't have my head rammed up so far of anywhere. I don't make a anti-M$ post like very other day like you do with Sony. You did it so much you got waco to lash out at you. And, he's sided with 360. Yeah, u are right. I am the tool.

I think Halo is overrated and I never said GoW is crap. I've played through Resistance 3 times comparing to zero time of what I went through of Halo. Resistance is just that much better.

[Dancer O_o]

I've played through Resistance 3 times comparing to zero time of what I went through of Halo. Resistance is just that much better.

Saying a game that you have played 3 times thru is so much better than a game you have never played at all is like saying I like chocolate better than vanilla even though I've never actually tried vanilla....it makes little sense to take your claim seriously. I know you are a dyed in the wool Sony champ but even this statement is a bit over the top for you. Resistance is damned good and you know I love a good FPS but even I can't see myself retreading that ground more than twice.

Now, I have played Halo 1 thru at least twice and some sections many times more than that on co-op because it is just that good. Halo 2 I played twice because the ending sucked and left me hang'n so bad that I immediately restarted on the harder skill level hoping to have more ending or more levels, this didn't happen because Bungie skimped and ran out of time, disappointing me very much. So, Halo 2 I would say is weaker as a single player game than RFOM and even RFOMs multiplayer is better than Halo 2 because I got bored as hell playing Halo 2 online and could not for the life of me understand why people were telling me it was the bomb when CS 1.6 smokes anything Halo online could do. Halo 1 was more than anyone expected with all the vehicles, Warthog, Supertank, flying Covanent thingy and Banshee, plus the turrets you could jump into...all with impressive AI. Halo 1 is much older than RFOM and still a better game overall.

Both RFOM and Halo are similar in a lot of ways, so many ways infact that it is clear in RFOM that at times they blatantly copied Halo (the jeep levels in RFOM are a PERFECT example of this). So again, without having played Halo you are unaware of just how similar these games are and it seems to me that if you did play Halo thru once you would not be so quick to lay a blanket statement out there like that, especially to peeps that have played Halo a lot and know better.

I do look forward to the next chapters of RFOM, the story is as good as Halo in a lot of ways. I'm a sucker for ulternate universe stories, where things just go different than history dictates.

[ilnadmy]

I think he meant he played Halo, but never got through it.

[Dancer O_o]

I think he meant he played Halo, but never got through it.

his xbox must've busted...and that would make MS bad. Having played both I know they both start strong and keep you interested througout, it would be interesting to find out what would make someone stop playing such a good game in the middle and say "Meh, this is boring where RFOM is not!"

[ilnadmy]

Well I played Halo all the way through, but only because I paid for it and felt obliged to finish it. Halo 2, though, I did NOT finish. The first Halo I found to be sinfully boring, and when the second seemed to continue the trend I decided to quit while I was ahead.

[Dancer O_o]

Well I played Halo all the way through, but only because I paid for it and felt obliged to finish it. Halo 2, though, I did NOT finish. The first Halo I found to be sinfully boring, and when the second seemed to continue the trend I decided to quit while I was ahead.

I think the Flood were boring to fight. Sinfully boring? Hmm, to each his own, I guess Folken felt as you did, bored. I still can't see how a person would be bored of Halo but overjoyed with RFOM.

[folken001]

Saying a game that you have played 3 times thru is so much better than a game you have never played at all is like saying I like chocolate better than vanilla even though I've never actually tried vanilla....it makes little sense to take your claim seriously. I know you are a dyed in the wool Sony champ but even this statement is a bit over the top for you. Resistance is damned good and you know I love a good FPS but even I can't see myself retreading that ground more than twice.

I didn't play it through ONCE. I didn't not play it AT ALL. I think i played 3 or 4 chapters and that's about it. One of the missions, I remember I started with sniper rifle or something.

Both RFOM and Halo are similar in a lot of ways, so many ways infact that it is clear in RFOM that at times they blatantly copied Halo (the jeep levels in RFOM are a PERFECT example of this). So again, without having played Halo you are unaware of just how similar these games are and it seems to me that if you did play Halo thru once you would not be so quick to lay a blanket statement out there like that, especially to peeps that have played Halo a lot and know better.

I am more into tactical shooters like GRAW. My feeling towards RFOM or Halo are about the same as far as FPS aspect goes. RFOM won from its splendid, not so typical storyline. Halo, on the other hand, got way too much credit for doing ordinary things. Obviously xbots didn't help by pimping it all the time.

Again, your presumption of me not playing Halo at all kinda ruin your entire argument.

I do look forward to the next chapters of RFOM, the story is as good as Halo in a lot of ways. I'm a sucker for ulternate universe stories, where things just go different than history dictates.

RFOM has better story than Halo imo. But, it's just an opinion. Halo being overrated is also an opinion. But, when many agree on one opinion, that opinion becomes a fact, more or less.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

RFOM has better story than Halo imo. But, it's just an opinion. Halo being overrated is also an opinion. But, when many agree on one opinion, that opinion becomes a fact, more or less.

Well the millions of sells and praise that Halo get's Makes it fact that it's one of the greatest games of all time thanks Folky:D :D :D

[folken001]

Well the millions of sells and praise that Halo get's Makes it fact that it's one of the greatest games of all time thanks Folky:D :D :D
If it is the greatest game of all time to you, kudos to you. I thought The Bouncer was entertaining, but I also acknowledged the fact that many thought it was sh1t.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

If it is the greatest game of all time to you, kudos to you. I thought The Bouncer was entertaining, but I also acknowledged the fact that many thought it was sh1t.

I remember that post specifically because I thought the Bouncer was OK myself. God we've been on this board too long.

In other newsI'm not gettin of work till 11pm est. so I'm going for the record post in a day at VGR.

[folken001]

I remember that post specifically because I thought the Bouncer was OK myself. God we've been on this board too long.

Now i think about it. Yes, we have. Is it commendable? or Is it kinda sad? :)

In other newsI'm not gettin of work till 11pm est. so I'm going for the record post in a day at VGR.

Have fun trolling!

[Dancer O_o]

I also enjoyed the story in RFOM very much. I wasn't arguing your position so much as questioning you farther on it because of so little input and brief statement. Playing 3 or 4 chapters is about 1/3 of the game and that's probably enough length to determine worth I think. If you didn't like it because of weak story I can understand, the story was not entirely original or even unpredictable. I think it was directed strongly and had exceptional music and it pulled me right in.

Tactical shooters I used to love but have come to see them as more work than fun...I just want to point and shoot and run lately.

[PapaSmurf]

So, Halo 2 I would say is weaker as a single player game than RFOM and even RFOMs multiplayer is better than Halo 2 because I got bored as hell playing Halo 2 online and could not for the life of me understand why people were telling me it was the bomb when CS 1.6 smokes anything Halo online could do.

This is what I've been trying to get across for years. Halo was just boring as hell to me. I own the game on PC and can't get passed the 3rd or 4th level cuz I'm just not interested in the game. As I think about it though, maybe it's not because it's Halo, maybe it's because I just don't genereally finish single player campaigns for FPS games. Hell I never even beat Half-Life (I know I got very far in it though). Most FPS's I just take'm online. I'm currently working through GRAW on single player, I wonder if I'll beat it.

So when I think about games in the context of finishing them I haven't really finished too many FPS games. I know I'm on the last level of Quake IV, a game I really like. Lasted more appeal than Doom 3 for sure. So I guess online play is what makes an FPS game to me, and for Halo it sucks. If you had played CS 1.6 or Battlefied 1942 before Halo than I don't know how you could think Halo online was the bomb. I think the only thing Halo had going for was the LAN aspect, and it's alot easier to bring over 4 xbox's than four computers. Whenever I hear my friends (not hardcore gamers or people on this board) talk about Halo, it was about playing it in their homeboys room bored on a Wednsday night as if it was some party game.

[Mochan]

LAN parties have never been a problem for me, because we have shops here that let you play LAN parties for like $.50US an hour (plus discounts and bonuses depending on the shop). No need to lug PCs over just tell your buds to grab some beer, chips and go to the nearest LAN shop to smoke each other's brains out. That's why Halo has no appeal to me whatsoever.

And don't let anyone fool you Halo's singleplayer isn't special in any way either, the narrative was much stronger in games like Undying and the action was more tense and atmospheric in games like Ghost Recon. Halo has very little going for it other than being the first big FPS hit MS marketed for their XBox.

[ilnadmy]

Seriously, Halo was very, very middling. For long stretches of the game you're doing things just because they're mission objectives. OK so I need to backtrack through the first half of the game and blow up those three towers. Umm why? Oh because if I press Start and go to objectives I can see that.

That's just boring and stupid. Same with Half Life 2 - you're running around for hours on end trying to complete some stupid-ass objective just because it's there, not because it has anything to do with the story.

[Mochan]

It IS logical that developers create multiplatform titles. You PS3 Milkdrinkers are the only nancy's crying about games like Devil May Cry 4 going multiplat. When have you seen an Xbot here whine about Oblivion, Splinter Cell or F.E.A.R being released on the PS3? Doesn't happen.

On the other we have XBots crying about the PS3 losing DMC4 and it going multiplat. This is very strange, the Xbots don't care about their own games going multiplat but care when the PS3's games go multiplat. Make no mistake, the ones who cried the sky was falling when the PS3 games went multiplat were the XBots, not the milkdrinkers.

I guess the insecurity is showing....

The reason why milkdrinkers are talking about the lost exclusives is because the Xbots, in particular a certain turncoat Xbot who can't help but post every single bit of derailing news on the PS3 no matter how small, keep making a big deal about it.



Well the millions of sells and praise that Halo get's Makes it fact that it's one of the greatest games of all time thanks Folky


Super Mario Brothers 1 sold millions and is one of the best selling games ever and tons of people praise it, but I would never even consider ranking it amongst my top 1000 greatest games of all time. Ditto The Sims.

You can fondle your Halo sales all you want but anyone with a working critical thinking faculty can see how mediocre the game really is.

[Mochan]

Seriously, Halo was very, very middling. For long stretches of the game you're doing things just because they're mission objectives. OK so I need to backtrack through the first half of the game and blow up those three towers. Umm why? Oh because if I press Start and go to objectives I can see that.

That's just boring and stupid. Same with Half Life 2 - you're running around for hours on end trying to complete some stupid-ass objective just because it's there, not because it has anything to do with the story.


You said it, I hated how you had a ton of objectives in Halo and Halflife that "were just there" and didn't really integrate into the narrative, if at all. Compare bobbing for barrels in Half Life 2 (and man was there ever so much of that going on there) to how objectives were done in say Call of Juarez -- every objective was tied to the narrative. You had to climb over buildings and get into a barn, why? Because thugs were chasing you trying to kill you. You had to hold off bandits at a cave, why? Because you had to buy time for the train to arrive that would take you to so and so... etc. etc.

[NEO-360]

Let me preface this by saying that I was never going to buy any of these titles anyway.

Anyway, first up to bat are Kane and Lynch and Crossfire:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=24390

Next up is the Namco/Bandai RPG, Eternal Sonata aka Trusty Bell although not confirmed as of yet:

http://www.siliconera.com/index.php/2007/04/23/eternal-sonata-also-coming-to-the-ps3/

Compare that to the PS3 losing exclusive games like Virtua Fighter 5,Assassin's Creed, & Devil May Cry 4 to the 360. Not to mention the Final Fantasy series is still a possibility. And if Metal Gear Solid 4 jumps to the 360 you basically can kiss the PS3 possibility of dominance good-bye. So basically Slade this thread you started is pretty weak. Lukewarm at best.:D

[Gadfly2317]

Let me preface this by saying that I was never going to buy any of these titles anyway.

Anyway, first up to bat are Kane and Lynch and Crossfire:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=24390

Next up is the Namco/Bandai RPG, Eternal Sonata aka Trusty Bell although not confirmed as of yet:

http://www.siliconera.com/index.php/2007/04/23/eternal-sonata-also-coming-to-the-ps3/

I'm not quite getting the significance of this news. I think everyone assumed that a numerous 360 titles--that were 360 titles because the 360 came out first--would eventually get Ps3 versions. I totally assumed even stuff like Dead Rising would be on Ps3, which unfortunately still hasn't happened.

Is this thread somehow trying to offset the exclusives Ps3 lost, which WERE exclusives, years-long established franchised that helped define Sony's systems like Devil May Cry? I'm just not seeing a correlation, or what you were trying to say with this "news."

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

I'm not quite getting the significance of this news. I think everyone assumed that a numerous 360 titles--that were 360 titles because the 360 came out first--would eventually get Ps3 versions. I totally assumed even stuff like Dead Rising would be on Ps3, which unfortunately still hasn't happened.

Is this thread somehow trying to offset the exclusives Ps3 lost, which WERE exclusives, years-long established franchised that helped define Sony's systems like Devil May Cry? I'm just not seeing a correlation, or what you were trying to say with this "news."

Good Post Gad. I mean these two games one by the makers of the Conflict:Desert Storm series. Doesn't carry near the Wait of DMC or GTA IV first day.

Plus the point is this Sony had truck loads of exlusives last gen. This gen it's not the same. When Some major exlusives jump ship then it's a conversation worth having.

[ilnadmy]

Why is it when PS3 exclusives are lost everyone talks about how the PS3 lost exclusives, yet when the 360 loses exclusives they "weren't really exclusives in the first place...why are you surprised? Grow up. Get a life. Move on. Now talking about DMC4..."

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

WTF????

If you can't see the correlation of the lost PS3 exlusives to the lost 360 exlusives. Then I don't know what to say.

If Team Ninja makes Ninja Gaiden 2 multiplatform that's a isuue. If the PS3 Get's the next Kotor that's a issue. If and when Dead Rising or Lost Planet goes to the PS3 then you have something.

Saints Row, Kane & Lynch (which I think looks awesome and will buy) and Cross Fire aren't the same. As the high profile platform defining titles that the PS3 has lost. If you honestly think it's the same. There is noting I can say.

[NEO-360]

Why is it when PS3 exclusives are lost everyone talks about how the PS3 lost exclusives, yet when the 360 loses exclusives they "weren't really exclusives in the first place...why are you surprised? Grow up. Get a life. Move on. Now talking about DMC4..."

Ninja Gaiden,Elder Scrolls Oblivion,Saint's Row,and now Kameo? LOL! C'mon this is almost like it was back when the PS2 first came out. How many Dreamcast ports did we see on the PS2? Too many to remember. Now all of a sudden the same thing is happening again on the PS3. Why buy these games on the PS3 when you can buy them cheaper on the 360? A fresh coat of paint on an old 360 port isnt enough to push consoles IMO.:rolleyes:

Its different when some of the games that at one point in time were PS3 exclusives became multiplatform titles. But the difference is that on the 360 games are indeed selling well.Plus it helps when your console is $200 dollars cheaper than your competitons is. So far other than RFOM what PS3 game has truly sold well thusfar? None.:(

[NEO-360]

Seriously, Halo was very, very middling. For long stretches of the game you're doing things just because they're mission objectives. OK so I need to backtrack through the first half of the game and blow up those three towers. Umm why? Oh because if I press Start and go to objectives I can see that.

That's just boring and stupid. Same with Half Life 2 - you're running around for hours on end trying to complete some stupid-ass objective just because it's there, not because it has anything to do with the story.

Best FPS ever on a videogame console. And now we have Halo 3 & Halo Wars coming. Enough said. RFOM for the PS3 and.........:confused: Any questions?

Cant believe people around here is still talking ill about Halo after all these years later. Imagine that.:p

[ilnadmy]

Best FPS ever on a videogame console.

False. The answer you're looking for is GoldenEye.

Also, you call them 360 leftovers, I call them 360 exclusives. Different name, same idea. Games that were pimped to be 360 exclusive are coming to the PS3, same as how games that were pimped to be PS3 exclusive are going to the 360. If you truly can't see that then you must really have critical thinking issues.

[slade]

I'm not quite getting the significance of this news. I think everyone assumed that a numerous 360 titles--that were 360 titles because the 360 came out first--would eventually get Ps3 versions. I totally assumed even stuff like Dead Rising would be on Ps3, which unfortunately still hasn't happened.

Is this thread somehow trying to offset the exclusives Ps3 lost, which WERE exclusives, years-long established franchised that helped define Sony's systems like Devil May Cry? I'm just not seeing a correlation, or what you were trying to say with this "news."

:Sigh: I could mean a number of things like how the overall quality of PS2's games has always been higher and how the exclusives game was Sony's to lose. Or hey, let's talk about how various Xbots have fallen in love with Eastern games after worshipping to the alter of Western games design for the past five years. Or, we could talk about how everybody loves to say they want newer IP's when in fact they just want sequels to the golden oldies. However, how about we go into a sidebar about how people who never even bought or played DMC games for the PS2 are now saying that said games were platform defining exclusives for Sony when, in fact, they were not even the best selling games on the system.

The fact of the matter is that Sony had no platform defining exclusives. It was the library as a whole that defined the PS2. Third party exclusives are a thing of the past no matter whether you're Sony or MS. The year long headstart accounts for some exclusives over in MS land but going forward, there is not going to be that much disparity. Both systems will hang by their first and second parties and in that respect, I'll stick by Sony's development studios.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

RFoM online and offline were NOT as good as Halo 1 or 2.

[ilnadmy]

RFoM online and offline were NOT as good as Halo 1 or 2.
You're totally correct. They were better.

Thanks for pointing that out.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

:Sigh: I could mean a number of things like how the overall quality of PS2's games has always been higher and how the exclusives game was Sony's to lose. Or hey, let's talk about how various Xbots have fallen in love with Eastern games after worshipping to the alter of Western games design for the past five years. Or, we could talk about how everybody loves to say they want newer IP's when in fact they just want sequels to the golden oldies. However, how about we go into a sidebar about how people who never even bought or played DMC games for the PS2 are now saying that said games were platform defining exclusives for Sony when, in fact, they were not even the best selling games on the system.

The fact of the matter is that Sony had no platform defining exclusives. It was the library as a whole that defined the PS2. Third party exclusives are a thing of the past no matter whether you're Sony or MS. The year long headstart accounts for some exclusives over in MS land but going forward, there is not going to be that much disparity. Both systems will hang by their first and second parties and in that respect, I'll stick by Sony's development studios.

Assuming you are prefering to Xbots on this board I think you will find it hard pressed to find any who all of a sudden has a preference for Eastern games. It has been bought up in the context of the 360 broading the library. But I haven't seen anyone on this board who's changed there opinion

As for the first party situation I agree with you. Sony has more in house studios MS seems to contract more independent devs and just outright money hat 3rd party publishers. MS does seem to be losing an advantage they had last gen though. PC devs just out right by passed the PS2 doesn't seem to be happening much this gen.

Personally I prefer MS first party games (admittedly they have had more bombs than Sony) the good ones. God of War though is as good as or probably better than anything MS has put out so far. Racthet and Jaks are meh to me. GT is cool but I think Forza is better. Sony just has so much more across more Genres though.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Assuming you are prefering to Xbots on this board I think you will find it hard pressed to find any who all of a sudden has a preference for Eastern games. It has been bought up in the context of the 360 broading the library. But I haven't seen anyone on this board who's changed there opinion

As for the first party situation I agree with you. Sony has more in house studios MS seems to contract more independent devs and just outright money hat 3rd party publishers. MS does seem to be losing an advantage they had last gen though. PC devs just out right by passed the PS2 doesn't seem to be happening much this gen.

Personally I prefer MS first party games (admittedly they have had more bombs than Sony) the good ones. God of War though is as good as or probably better than anything MS has put out so far. Racthet and Jaks are meh to me. GT is cool but I think Forza is better. Sony just has so much more across more Genres though.

Slade mentioned better quality PS2 games. I never saw them. he says everyone is excited in 360 land about eastern games and pulling previous PS games, true. I'm excited, doesnt translate into a sale or into a quality game.

Case in point. Ridge Racer once a big game on PS2, comes to 360. The game is not good, then people say, "oh its just th 360 version." Then the ps3 version comes out, it is no better maybe worse than the 360 version. But both versions were probably better than the ps2 version. What does it mean? The game was way overrated on PS2. It was never a quality title.

I was excited about Armored Core coming to 360, a lot of people were. But, look at the game! It doesnt stack up against Chrome Hounds, it doesnt even stack up to Mech Assault 2 nor Steel Battalion. The quality of PS games is inferior and while eastern games might be gettin a lot of hype and interest, it doesnt mean when the game arrives, consumers will snap it up. Nobody bought these two games on 360. This at a time when games like Saint's Row and Crackdown, new IP, sold a million each at least. Crackdown moved 400,000+ in a month. So 360 buyers are smart consumers we can spot quality and thus far PS to 360 projects are not up to snuff.

This is no different than XBOX days. Look at MGS2 it paled in terms of quality on XBOX, it was a joke side by side the previously released SC1 game. Sales, it tanked. Ditto for Onimusha.

So a I excited to see DMC of course, but as I said when it was announced, it is too bad the game will be releasing when 360 has its big guns in the marketplace. DMC is going to have to raise the bar from what it was on PS2 and compete with the best of the 360 games. If not, the game is not going to do well on 360, just like Armored Core, Ridge Racer, Final Fantasy.... And as far as PS games having more quality, it is simply a myth that is continuously exposed. People talk about all the dude games that were on XBOX back then, but when u look at the sheer number of titles released on the PS2 compared to the ones that turned out to be good, by PS standards, XBOX had a larger ratio of good games. The very same thing is happening on PS3. Look at stuff like Genki it is a joke.

And the contention that the platforms will share all the same games except first party stuff is also wrong. There are and will be plenty of projects on 360 not on PS3.

Plus PS3 was supposed to be cleaning up right now! All of the "great" PS3 games got pushed back from launch. They were supposed to release in the spring! Where are they? I have feeling these games will get pushed back into the fall holiday period to give the PS3 the appearance of dropping "the motherlode" during the holiday season, when in fact, PS3 users were starved the whole year. People who fall for this won't realize that after Sony drops it typical holiday fare, it will probably be back to starvation mode.

[thelastword]

The question is, do you even believe what you just posted and why can't you spell certain Sony Games properly. First of all it's Genji, it was not even the 5th best game on the PS2 in it's genre. Your facts are way out of whack and twisted as usual.

Did FF13 release on the 360? what FF are you talking about? the ancient mmorpg which has been on the PS2 and the PC from times immemorial, which has been played to death, expansion packed to all hell? OK! that's what you're talking about. I wonder if it 's because it's older than Moses that it didn't get a much better reception, I wonder if it's because nobody wants to play it anymore.

Since I'm on it, since you're one who always talks trash about GT I will correct you on this one as well, it's spelled Gran Turismo, not Gran Tourismo as you usually spell it.

Grand Touring is closer to what you dribble down as GT in your posts, maybe it's because you use to play that old PC racer (Grand Touring) back in your PC days. At least get some knowledge and hands on before you dribble your bile. I speak about Forza, you never see me referring to it as Fourza, it just shows how ignorant you really are towards the games you criticize. So I'm not even sure if you've ever seen these games running on a screen or even seen videos of how they play. It's really sad with you though.

[Cuddly Knife]

Really Word, b!tching about spelling is worse. Of course, b!tching to someone about their b!tching about spelling is even lamer. *points to self*

You heard me.

[thelastword]

No knife, To be honest, I actually think TMG is referring to Genji as Genki in an effort to nail him some humour points, he thinks that Genji downright stinks and he wants to nail that in, but that's his schtick anyway.

[NEO-360]

False. The answer you're looking for is GoldenEye.

Also, you call them 360 leftovers, I call them 360 exclusives. Different name, same idea. Games that were pimped to be 360 exclusive are coming to the PS3, same as how games that were pimped to be PS3 exclusive are going to the 360. If you truly can't see that then you must really have critical thinking issues.

Halo clearly is the best FPS on any console. Take away the cheat codes Goldeneye was basically just fun to play but not even in Halo's league.The multiplayer mode for Goldeneye was cool though. I'll give it that. But Halo is the best of the best right now.

Sorry, but um the PS3 is basically taking old 360 leftovers and putting a fresh coat of paint on those games trying to make an extra buck off of old games thats already come and gone. Thats basically the truth.

Nobody is going to lose any sleep over games like Kameo coming to the PS3. Why? There are more 360 consoles out there than PS3's isnt there? So why bother? VF5 for the PS3 came out when? February? And a mere 6 months later its going to be on the 360. Not even a year. Thats not bad.

Look at when Ninja Gaiden came out for the Xbox. About when? 3 years ago? Yep. But now PS3 owners are supposed to cream their jeans because the same game is coming back on the PS3 with 3 extra levels starring a busty Blonde,a few new animations,and a fresh coat of paint on every character? :rolleyes:

Why pay full price for a 3 year old game when you can play the same game on the Xbox for only $19.99? Some of the games that was on the 360 is going to the PS3. Not real news compared to the PS3 exclusives jumping ship to the 360. Sorry Charlie.:thumbsup:

[NEO-360]

You're totally correct. They were better.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Gears Of War slapped RFOM around in terms of sales. LOL! Even the dinky $ 5.00 games starring the Burger King outsold Resistance:Fall Of Man. Hows that for a fact ilnadmy? :D

[ilnadmy]

Halo is a better game than GoldenEye? I find that hard to believe, especially when GoldenEye had better designed levels which were varied and different and did not repeat earlier levels to the point of painful boredom. It also had an amazing multiplayer mode, and was the FIRST great console FPS, no matter what Halo freaks would have you believe (hell Halo isn't even a great FPS if you really want to get down to the nitty gritty).

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Halo is a better game than GoldenEye? I find that hard to believe, especially when GoldenEye had better designed levels which were varied and different and did not repeat earlier levels to the point of painful boredom. It also had an amazing multiplayer mode, and was the FIRST great console FPS, no matter what Halo freaks would have you believe (hell Halo isn't even a great FPS if you really want to get down to the nitty gritty).

Goldeneye was cool for it's time it doesn't hold up today. Halo does. Halo bought more gameplay elements to the table than Goldeneye did. Golden was cool for the multiplayer. But Perfect Dark rapes goldeneye in every respect from head to toe. From single player to multiplayer. Even The original Medal of Honor on the PSONE had a better single player than goldeneye.

I'm not even going to bother defending Halo anymore obiviously some you (Mochan,Papasmurf) are just massive Haters.

Nolf 2 had cool character (Kate Archer) but the gameplay was the definition of average.

[Gadfly2317]

I'm not even going to bother defending Halo anymore obiviously some you (Mochan,Papasmurf) are just massive Haters.

Liking Halo is subjective, but you don't have to be a massive hater to say the game had repetitive, dull and unimaginative level design (it was like they would cut and paste the last section you'd just went through), stupid sidekicks following you around (mostly getting lost) and the vehicle control made Grand Theft Auto look like a master of physics.

And you mentioned Perfect Dark, which makes me think of the other thing Halo skimped out on which was customizable bots for death match and other modes in order to try to force conusmers to go online. Online is cool, but its nice to be able to get your skills honed before you head out. I think of all the modes that were packed into TimeSplitters2, then look at Halo. Halo had its moments, but again, you don't have to be a massive hater to see that it is one of the most overrated games of all time.

[ilnadmy]

I notice you didn't mention the original NOLF - for good reason I believe.

Even NOLF2 is a LOT more interesting than Halo. What does Halo have? Shooting enemies. At least in NOLF2 you have to sneak around, hide bodies, and still have the shooter aspects that you all love. The enemies are even smarter than those in Halo; they hide and take potshots at you and are a lot more challenging to take out than the enemies in Halo, where they just get more and more armor. But my real beef with Halo is the level design, which you CANNOT tell me was interesting. Not even mildly. In that regard NOLF2 puts the smackdown on Halo.

And of course GoldenEye doesn't hold up today, it came out 700 years ago. Would you compare WarCraft 1 to Command and Conquer 3? Hell no.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

The question is, do you even believe what you just posted and why can't you spell certain Sony Games properly. First of all it's Genji, it was not even the 5th best game on the PS2 in it's genre. Your facts are way out of whack and twisted as usual.

Did FF13 release on the 360? what FF are you talking about? the ancient mmorpg which has been on the PS2 and the PC from times immemorial, which has been played to death, expansion packed to all hell? OK! that's what you're talking about. I wonder if it 's because it's older than Moses that it didn't get a much better reception, I wonder if it's because nobody wants to play it anymore.

Since I'm on it, since you're one who always talks trash about GT I will correct you on this one as well, it's spelled Gran Turismo, not Gran Tourismo as you usually spell it.

Grand Touring is closer to what you dribble down as GT in your posts, maybe it's because you use to play that old PC racer (Grand Touring) back in your PC days. At least get some knowledge and hands on before you dribble your bile. I speak about Forza, you never see me referring to it as Fourza, it just shows how ignorant you really are towards the games you criticize. So I'm not even sure if you've ever seen these games running on a screen or even seen videos of how they play. It's really sad with you though.


What does anything u posted have to do with my post? I guess u are conceding it to fact that PS games are lacking in quality. Indeed it is a point that cannot be refuted, look at all the gar-bage from Armored Core to Genki...its all very stanky. Hell, Gran Tourismo was such a joke they killed it upon inception.

My post was so good, hate to admit it, it bears repeating. See if u can debate it, not my spelling, if not, pipe down junior:

<b>Slade mentioned better quality PS2 games. I never saw them. he says everyone is excited in 360 land about eastern games and pulling previous PS games, true. I'm excited, doesnt translate into a sale or into a quality game.

Case in point. Ridge Racer once a big game on PS2, comes to 360. The game is not good, then people say, "oh its just th 360 version." Then the ps3 version comes out, it is no better maybe worse than the 360 version. But both versions were probably better than the ps2 version. What does it mean? The game was way overrated on PS2. It was never a quality title.

I was excited about Armored Core coming to 360, a lot of people were. But, look at the game! It doesnt stack up against Chrome Hounds, it doesnt even stack up to Mech Assault 2 nor Steel Battalion. The quality of PS games is inferior and while eastern games might be gettin a lot of hype and interest, it doesnt mean when the game arrives, consumers will snap it up. Nobody bought these two games on 360. This at a time when games like Saint's Row and Crackdown, new IP, sold a million each at least. Crackdown moved 400,000+ in a month. So 360 buyers are smart consumers we can spot quality and thus far PS to 360 projects are not up to snuff.

This is no different than XBOX days. Look at MGS2 it paled in terms of quality on XBOX, it was a joke side by side the previously released SC1 game. Sales, it tanked. Ditto for Onimusha.

So a I excited to see DMC of course, but as I said when it was announced, it is too bad the game will be releasing when 360 has its big guns in the marketplace. DMC is going to have to raise the bar from what it was on PS2 and compete with the best of the 360 games. If not, the game is not going to do well on 360, just like Armored Core, Ridge Racer, Final Fantasy.... And as far as PS games having more quality, it is simply a myth that is continuously exposed. People talk about all the dude games that were on XBOX back then, but when u look at the sheer number of titles released on the PS2 compared to the ones that turned out to be good, by PS standards, XBOX had a larger ratio of good games. The very same thing is happening on PS3. Look at stuff like Genki it is a joke.

And the contention that the platforms will share all the same games except first party stuff is also wrong. There are and will be plenty of projects on 360 not on PS3.

Plus PS3 was supposed to be cleaning up right now! All of the "great" PS3 games got pushed back from launch. They were supposed to release in the spring! Where are they? I have feeling these games will get pushed back into the fall holiday period to give the PS3 the appearance of dropping "the motherlode" during the holiday season, when in fact, PS3 users were starved the whole year. People who fall for this won't realize that after Sony drops it typical holiday fare, it will probably be back to starvation mode.</b>

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Liking Halo is subjective, but you don't have to be a massive hater to say the game had repetitive, dull and unimaginative level design (it was like they would cut and paste the last section you'd just went through), stupid sidekicks following you around (mostly getting lost) and the vehicle control made Grand Theft Auto look like a master of physics.

And you mentioned Perfect Dark, which makes me think of the other thing Halo skimped out on which was customizable bots for death match and other modes in order to try to force conusmers to go online. Online is cool, but its nice to be able to get your skills honed before you head out. I think of all the modes that were packed into TimeSplitters2, then look at Halo. Halo had its moments, but again, you don't have to be a massive hater to see that it is one of the most overrated games of all time.

You don't have to like Halo but the way some posters talk about it's like one of the worst games ever made. I would debate your points all day. Since you offer legitmate criticisms

Vehicle control in the first one was kind of wacked. I thought I just couldn't get used to a new control scheme but the vehicle control in Halo 2 was so much better I could see the faults of it a lot more easier. You have to remember though up until this point vehicle control in FPS wasn't common the only game that had it was Operation Flashpoint which came out a few months earlier on the PC.

Anyway there are a bunch of criticisms about Halo but I'm not going to get into debating or defending all of them. For my money the game has the Best and most Varied pure combat/gunplay in any FPS series.

Go back and play a console FPS before or right around the launch of Halo. And see what you think of the control scheme most games were still going with the single analogue control scheme of Goldeneye. Which I litererally can't play with now.

Anyway Halo is awesome NOLF 1 & 2 are the epitome of average.

[thelastword]

What does anything u posted have to do with my post? I guess u are conceding it to fact that PS games are lacking in quality. Indeed it is a point that cannot be refuted, look at all the gar-bage from Armored Core to Genki...its all very stanky. Hell, Gran Tourismo was such a joke they killed it upon inception.

My post was so good, hate to admit it, it bears repeating. See if u can debate it, not my spelling, if not, pipe down junior:
Actually I did address your idiocy in that post. You were attempting some humour there weren't you "Genki Stanky" you aren't wacky.

Slade mentioned better quality PS2 games. I never saw them. he says everyone is excited in 360 land about eastern games and pulling previous PS games, true. I'm excited, doesnt translate into a sale or into a quality game.You never saw them because you never played them, how could you know about the quality of PS2 games having never played them. When I speak of Halo and Doa and Kotor etc.. it's because I've played them, not the other way around, that's where you fail all the time and now you declare that you're excited for these eastern games, but at the same time you might not buy and it won't be quality. Then what the eff are you excited for? You are simply a biased hypocrite.



Case in point. Ridge Racer once a big game on PS2, comes to 360. The game is not good, then people say, "oh its just th 360 version." Then the ps3 version comes out, it is no better maybe worse than the 360 version. But both versions were probably better than the ps2 version. What does it mean? The game was way overrated on PS2. It was never a quality title.
Ridge Racer was bigger on the PS1 than on PS2, Gran Turismo was big on the PS2 not Ridge Racer, hell, Need for Speed the multiplat was bigger on PS2 than Ridge could ever imagine, and so was Burnout. Get your facts straight before you splooge, it's not helping you any.


I was excited about Armored Core coming to 360, a lot of people were. But, look at the game! It doesnt stack up against Chrome Hounds, it doesnt even stack up to Mech Assault 2 nor Steel Battalion. The quality of PS games is inferior and while eastern games might be gettin a lot of hype and interest, it doesnt mean when the game arrives, consumers will snap it up. Nobody bought these two games on 360. This at a time when games like Saint's Row and Crackdown, new IP, sold a million each at least. Crackdown moved 400,000+ in a month. So 360 buyers are smart consumers we can spot quality and thus far PS to 360 projects are not up to snuff.
It's funny that you choose all the burnt out series from PS1 stretching over to PS2 as A1 high profile franchises on the PS3, guess you have an agenda. Thing is, no one ever expected Armored Core to be getting 10/10 from all publications and no one ever expected for it to sell 4 million copies in a day, you are just being ridiculous. If you appreciate Armored Core's gameplay then buy it, but don't pretend you're not buying it because your neighbour didn't. If the developer couldn't get the product up to good enough quality, then just pass, simple, I don't think anybody said that Armored Core would be better than all mech games out there. You want to know the mech game every playstation fan is waiting for? Zone Of The Enders 3, let it sink in slowly.


This is no different than XBOX days. Look at MGS2 it paled in terms of quality on XBOX, it was a joke side by side the previously released SC1 game. Sales, it tanked. Ditto for Onimusha. Because your arguments are the same tired ones over and over again. I'll bet you that you're here cracking jokes on Onimusha yet again and saying that SC was greater than MGS, wooippydoo, deja-effing-vu. It's the same $hit, it just never stops.

We argued games like Onimusha in the action genre for the PS2, how varied the library was and how games, say like armored core broadened the pool of games available (something which the xbox was severely lacking in). So when we mentioned Onimusha, it's because apart from Devil May Cry, we had another quality action series available unlike the Xbox which only had Ninja Gaiden worthy of any salt in that genre. Our argument was that the PS2 had a larger volume of quality franchises in mostly all of the genres.


So a I excited to see DMC of course, but as I said when it was announced, it is too bad the game will be releasing when 360 has its big guns in the marketplace. DMC is going to have to raise the bar from what it was on PS2 and compete with the best of the 360 games. If not, the game is not going to do well on 360, just like Armored Core, Ridge Racer, Final Fantasy.... And as far as PS games having more quality, it is simply a myth that is continuously exposed. People talk about all the dude games that were on XBOX back then, but when u look at the sheer number of titles released on the PS2 compared to the ones that turned out to be good, by PS standards, XBOX had a larger ratio of good games. I've already dealt with AC and RR, I dealt with FFXI in length in my previous post to you, Now here's the question. You speak about the 360 having heavy guns coming up at the time of DMC's release, tell me? What action game coming to the 360 in the year 2007 will be better than DMC4? emphasis....


The very same thing is happening on PS3. Look at stuff like Genki it is a joke.Here you go again, Genki Stanky...te he he... good for you. Thing is, Genji makes about 95% of all 360 games look like ass. I know the game could have been better, we all wanted it to be better, but the game was rushed, but this teams know how to make a pretty game. It's not like the series is now broken because of part 2. If these guys are given a slightly higher budget and the time that they need to polish their efforts, I think they will redeem themselves tremendously. These guys are monsters when it comes to tech and I think they'll be able to deliver a superior game in every way having devved on the cell before, and not having to rush their project to meet a launch.


And the contention that the platforms will share all the same games except first party stuff is also wrong. There are and will be plenty of projects on 360 not on PS3. There will be a wave-tonne more games available on the PS3 that will never see the light of day on the 360. Eat it...


Plus PS3 was supposed to be cleaning up right now! All of the "great" PS3 games got pushed back from launch. They were supposed to release in the spring! Where are they? I have feeling these games will get pushed back into the fall holiday period to give the PS3 the appearance of dropping "the motherlode" during the holiday season, when in fact, PS3 users were starved the whole year. People who fall for this won't realize that after Sony drops it typical holiday fare, it will probably be back to starvation mode.
After the onslaught this year, a bigger onslaught awaits the following year. How about Rfom2, Motorstorm2, Africa, The Getaway, Wardevil, FF13, GT5, La Noire, God of War3, TurricanPS3 etc.. etc..etc..

In a recent interview with Evo Studios, these guys said they only used 20% of the Spu's on the PS3, they said they didn't use the harddrive, they didn't stream textures off the disc, they didn't offload any work on the RSX by using the Cell (RSX+CELL in tandem). They said they didn't off load any of their processes from the PPC to the SPU's for greater code efficiency. These guys were basically saying that they haven't done much yet and yet it there it is, the best looking out on store shelves. In summary these guys are saying that their future products will reflect in bold fashion, how much they've learned since Mstorm1.

How about Insomniac who had alot to do with the crackdown on Spu Usage, they detailed much in that realm for EDGE Suite, How about Naughty Dog who continue to be at the top of tech pushing nirvana. How about Poliphony which has GT4 assets with the exception of the cars in a simple demo that makes Forza2 look like Forza1 in high rez, how much better will GT5 look than the demo is already mind boggling, as Kanzunori said he's not satisfied with anything in that demo with the exception of the cars which he declared will look much better than it does now.

Dude All I can say is this, be afraid, be very afraid. I always said that Sony first and second parties could not be touched, this time it will be felt across the gaming universe like no other time. It's going to be absolutely brutal.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

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Oh now I get it. You make a bunch of non sensical claims and when they don't come true. You say they do.

Naughty Dog at the top of tech for Devs (or whatever you typed) Uhm Dude every game by them since the PSone has been a cartoon game that hasn't pushed the tech. Jak look good. But it wasn't a technical marvel like you're making it out to be.

Genji looks good but better than 95% of 360 games?
See how this work I could say no you could say yes it's your opinion of course it isn't a commonly held opinion or a really popular one like say uhm Gears of War is the best looking game on a console. But you have your opinion so in you mind your point is proven.

Ditto with Motorstorm

The getaway? Hasn't every game in that series stunk? Even the PSP version?

But you like good quality devs right. But you harp on KZ2 from Gurreilla Games who've made exactly how many good games? But you respect great devs.

Genji 1 wasn't well recieved either (other the grass effect on the PS2 were cool) But next time they'll get it right?

Be afraid? We are talking about Videogames here right.

Keep up the good work I needed a good laugh. Seeya in the mornig buddy.

[ilnadmy]

Go back and play a console FPS before or right around the launch of Halo. And see what you think of the control scheme most games were still going with the single analogue control scheme of Goldeneye. Which I litererally can't play with now.

Are you kidding me? TimeSplitters 1 used the dual analog system almost a year before Halo, and that's only one of many.

Anyway Halo is awesome NOLF 1 & 2 are the epitome of average.

OK now I know you have no idea what you're talking about. I don't think you've even played NOLF1, you're just bad-mouthing it. Prove me wrong.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Are you kidding me? TimeSplitters 1 used the dual analog system almost a year before Halo, and that's only one of many.

ER??? Wrong Timesplitters didn't get a dual analogue set up until timesplitters 3



OK now I know you have no idea what you're talking about. I don't think you've even played NOLF1, you're just bad-mouthing it. Prove me wrong.[/QUOTE]

Kate Archer, 70;s/Austin Power vibe. I've played the game didn't finish it but I played.

[thelastword]

Oh now I get it. You make a bunch of non sensical claims and when they don't come true. You say they do.
Like what? Are you ok?


Naughty Dog at the top of tech for Devs (or whatever you typed) Uhm Dude every game by them since the PSone has been a cartoon game that hasn't pushed the tech. Jak look good. But it wasn't a technical marvel like you're making it out to be.
Dude, Jak1,2&3 were some of the most impressive games on the PS2 on a tech level, you have no idea what you speak of. When you speak about huge worlds, no load times, stellar animation and 60fps, then you can speak of the Jak series. The jump from Jak1 to Jak2 was amazing and there were effects seen in Jak2 that was never saw the light of day on xbox games. Hell, a special custom programming language was written by the guys at Naughty to push PS2 tech specifically.

In any case, your statement just reeks of ignorance. Do you think that RatchetTOD for the PS3 isn't a great looking game pushing the tech envelope? Why? because it's a cartoony game? Do you not see the great lighting, monster huge bustling city geometry with out of this world draw distance, animation to die for, 4xaa, texture streaming off bluray etc.. etc.. all of that combined, and it's not impressive technically? You are beyond the realms of bat$hit insanity.


Genji looks good but better than 95% of 360 games?
See how this work I could say no you could say yes it's your opinion of course it isn't a commonly held opinion or a really popular one like say uhm Gears of War is the best looking game on a console. But you have your opinion so in you mind your point is proven.

Ditto with Motorstorm
Genji looks like mid-level CG with great effects, it applies 4xaa and 8x aniso, you know what it is you should do? how about asking MS and ATI, where the anisoptric filtering is on your 360 games, just take a look at some of the latest VF5 360 screenshots for good measure. Thing is, many people want to know and if the latest games aren't showing it, that really puts things in perspective doesn't it. Many people are already citing problems with the ATI hardware, but the devs are a bit hush hush on the issue.

Gears looks good but Motorstorm looks better. Mstorm has the best lighting in any next gen game so far with F1 at a close second, I won't touch on the mud deforming physics and crash physics, everyone knows how impressive these are. Furthermore It has 2xMsaa with HDR and up to 12 players can race online all at once, with no loss in quality. Gears is a great looking game but then the lighting isn't as good as in Mstorm, it has a wave of low poly character models and has absolutely no antialiasing. It dips occasionally, so then, if it actually had aa one tends to wonder what it's framerate would be like.


The getaway? Hasn't every game in that series stunk? Even the PSP version?
I agree that the previous games weren't the best, but this one looks really interesting on a technical level, with good direction and some dedicated dev time at SCEWW's this game can turn out to be a good game. In any case, it's not like any other game in the genre came close to GTA, although I'm thinking that you will say Crackdown and Saints Row did, so don't even bother.


But you like good quality devs right. But you harp on KZ2 from Gurreilla Games who've made exactly how many good games? But you respect great devs. Ok! here's the skinny on Guerilla, they may not have made a great game before, but they did make a good game, in Killzone. The fact is, there were many aspects of killzone that was excellent, gun and facial animation, multiplayer and the plot was interesting, If you want to call it avearge, that's up to you, but many people saw something in Killzone which they liked and it did sell millions. In essence, I don't think Sony would be pushing the series if they didn't see it's potential, hell, many people have highlighted areas in which they would like to see improvements.

The fact is Guerilla is able to push tech and that's a complement to Sony, the team is now over 150 and they're not limited by the PS2 as they once was, so they can do what they want to. There's a whole pool of new talent in there to contribute to this new game, like artists, sound engineers and writers. This game has a huge budget and it's being overseered by Sony Worldwide Studios. I can't say exactly how it will turn out, but I'm stoked, the odds of a better turn out is significantly higher than the first time out IMO, putting all into perspective.


Genji 1 wasn't well recieved either (other the grass effect on the PS2 were cool) But next time they'll get it right?
Genji 1 was no DMC, but no one ever said that, with the exception of TMG of course, with whom I've dealt with. It was a second tier action game on the PS2 which great graphics, it wasn't a great game but it was good and was yet another game for action fans to jump into. Personally I think the best action games on the PS2 are the GOW's, the DMC's, Rygar and the Onimusha's. Genji would come after these games, but if these guys could fix their camera issues and take the time to improve gameplay some more, I think the series could be quite good.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Not going to get into Motorstorm with you. I don't agree with. The best lighting in a game? :rolleyes:

Anyway here's a preview that I posted in another thread I made of Sega Rally

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MotorStorm had mud. Lots of it. Mud that squelched when you drove on it and glistened in the sun when you scrubbed away its dry top layer. Well, Sega Rally can beat that. The Sega Rally we saw running on Xbox 360 in London recently has real mud in it. It isn't just a graphical trick - the new Sega Rally streams mud directly off the disc and fills your TV up with it. It's Liquid Crystal Dirt and you'll be seeing a lot more of this technology as Sega licenses it to other developers in the near future.

No not really. But Sega Rally's track deformation does put Sony's racer to shame. We watched as a Sega representative took us on a drive through a stage set in dense jungle. The cars scrubbed their wheels over hard-baked dirt, leaving it scuffed but still pretty flat. Then they hit soft mud and displaced it, leaving true 3D furrows in the track's surface. After doing this a few times, the furrows started to fill with water which reflected the blue sky and white clouds like rippling glass. Driving across any of these furrows caused them to displace appropriately - and stay like that until you hit them again. This is real next-gen stuff, make no mistake."

This is a multiplat game but the 360 version is being reviewed.
http://www.gamesradar.com/us/xbox360...41612363996022

Jak 1 did having loading section. There were areas in game where you went through long stretches and animations repeatedly and the game loaded in the background. Cute technique to hide the loading but it was there (MGS3 did the same thing when you climbed outta the sewer). As for the best technical games on the PS2
I don't think Jak series is up there. Gran Turismos, God of Wars, Ghost Hunter, Genji, Transformers (which looked surprisingly good) Burnouts, Black, etc Animation is more art design than technical design.

Getaway is a below average series. And you are the one who talks about posters who are "hoping and wishing" about upcoming games.

Gurreila Games is a average developer at best again you are hoping and wishing it get's better. The budget doesn't really matter if the design is flawed. That was the problem with the first Killzone which I still occassionaly play online (much better than god awful Socom). The trench warfare sucked and the different charcters didn't really differentiate much when it came to actually using them in the game. The game looked good for a PS2 game at the time the production values were high. And the game still was nothing more than average I see no reason why this would change I'll hold my opinion till it's released.

Genji was the second lowest rated game on the PS3 end of story it's a bad game with decent graphics.

Gears of War I'm not either bothering with you about again. This was explained to you by several other posters. But you still have your head in the sand. As far as the merits of low model highly textured characters and models.

Incredible Hulk ultimate Destruction, Mercenaires, And Crackdown all are great sandbox games. I prefer all of them over GTA (my thoughts on GTA have been well documented on this board) Getaway is just bad I never touched the second one though.
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[ilnadmy]

ER??? Wrong Timesplitters didn't get a dual analogue set up until timesplitters 3

From the IGN review of TimeSplitters 1:

The default controls depend on the two dual shocks buttons and the shoulder buttons. With the left analog button you strafe, move forward and backward. With the right one, you look up down, or spin and turn.

Still sticking to your story that Halo was the first FPS to use two analog sticks?

Kate Archer, 70;s/Austin Power vibe. I've played the game didn't finish it but I played.

You could have gotten that from looking at the box. You say you played it? Fine. You probably didn't play more than a few levels though.

When you say that NOLF is the epitome of mediocrity then I really have to question your judgment, especially when you hype Halo to the high heavens (alliteration ftw). Whereas in NOLF you go to Berlin, the Bahamas, a space station, onto a cruise liner, underwater diving, onto a plane, and even jumping off the damn plane and getting into mid-air combat, in Halo you do what? Get into an alien structure...then into another one that looks the same...then into another one that looks the same...then into another one that looks the same...then into another one that looks the same...then into another that looks the same...THEN INTO ANOTHER ONE THAT LOOKS THE SAME...AND THEN YOU GET TO GO BACKWARDS THROUGH THE WAY YOU CAME!!!! Wow...how entertaining.

[PapaSmurf]

I have to back Ilna claim too. There were two games on the PS2 to use the dual analog for moving and aiming first as ilna said, Timesplitters 1 already did it, just go look at the review at gamespot. Let's not forget about Red Faction either. Red Faction is also the first game to allow you to use vehicles in a console FPS and you could use them in multiplayer with guess what, BOTS! Drunken, I guess I've come to expect too much from you because you're while arguement is flawed now. What did Halo innovate on consoles now? LAN?

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

I just put Timesplitters in (I don't trade games in) first off Dual analogue isn't default control system it's the same as the N64 shooters. Plus it has the weird auto center that can give even me motion sickness. And second the Dual Analogue control method is not the one used in Halo.

The second stick doesn't control the camera it's used tp strafe it's a completely different control setup. Play the game and you will see that you read a review that mentioned dual analogue and think it's the same. Like I said go back and Play a console FPS before Halo.and you'll see a marked difference in the control scheme. As far as Red faction I remember playing the first one but I'd probably have to dig it out. I'm not quite sure of the exact control schem I'm not even sure it actually came out before Halo.

[NEO-360]

How in the blue hell did we go from the 360 losing lame exclusives to the PS3 to talking about NOLF and Halo? "Whats my motivation again?":confused:

[ilnadmy]

Neo, this is how threads in VGR work. I'm sorry if you were planning to add some useful discussion to the first topic, but you're gonna have to deal with it.

Hmm so maybe the first TimeSplitters had some weird analog system (although from what you say there are probably a bunch of different configurations, since the IGN review mentions that the right analog stick is used for looking around and the left analog stick is used for strafing). Either way, I know for a fact that TimeSplitters 2 had the dual analog stick layout that you were talking about because I played that game to death.

Also, Red Faction was released in May 2001, while Halo was released in November, so yeah Red Faction was released before Halo.

[thelastword]

Anyway here's a preview that I posted in another thread I made of Sega Rally Sega Rally seems to be an interesting title based on previews, but we have not really seen it for ourselves except for that teaser video. It's focus is a tad more realistic than what's seen in Motorstorm and people are comparing it's mud physics to Mstorm because Motorstorm is basically the Pioneer of Mud deformation. I mean if these guys have improved on what we have in Mstorm there's nothing wrong with that, you call it a multiplat which it is but you also fail to note that it's lead platform is the PS3. These guys are also aiming for 1080P 60fps on the PS3 like most of Sega's games so far.


The fact is at this moment and this time, Mstorm is the game to beat and it was basically a launch effort in many respects. Here we have the Mstorm guys saying they only made use 20% of the SPU's, they didn't stream textures off bluray, didn't use the cell for vertex work etc.... so you know they're going to put all other offroad racers to shame yet again with Mstorm2.

I am looking forward to see what Sega Rally brings to the table, if they can bring that bumper to bumper action on good mud def tracks that should be quite a riot, but let's not kid ourselves as to what MStorm has brought to the table. There will only be 6 cars in Sega Rally as opposed to double that in Mstorm. Sega Rally does look impressive from the teaser footage, the previews sounds interesting, afterall, Sega (as a whole) has 2 titles on the PS3 already, they are learning PS3 architecture more and more, but it's inevitable, Mstorm2 will just blow every other offroad racer out the park with it's sequel and they will continue to set the standard.


Jak 1 did having loading section. There were areas in game where you went through long stretches and animations repeatedly and the game loaded in the background. Cute technique to hide the loading but it was there (MGS3 did the same thing when you climbed outta the sewer). As for the best technical games on the PS2
So you're going to nitpick how loading was done in Jak1, Naughty's first game on the PS2? How many xbox games had no loadtimes like the Jak Series? That was a feature of Jak1, way back in 2001, deal with it.


I don't think Jak series is up there. Gran Turismos, God of Wars, Ghost Hunter, Genji, Transformers (which looked surprisingly good) Burnouts, Black, etc Animation is more art design than technical design.
We were talking about Naughty Dog and I do think their games should be listed as great technical pieces especially Jak2&3, with the overhaul they received from Jak1. I agree with the games you mentioned above as some of the PS2's best showcases and I can actually commend you for checking on Ghosthunter and Transformers as I've always been touting these games here, good job.


Getaway is a below average series. And you are the one who talks about posters who are "hoping and wishing" about upcoming games.
Never said it was an excellent series, but if you would realise there's a heavier focus on all of Sony's franchises now with SCEWWS, especially with Phil Harrison in charge.


Gurreila Games is a average developer at best again you are hoping and wishing it get's better. The budget doesn't really matter if the design is flawed. That was the problem with the first Killzone which I still.
The question is how much do you know of the design of the new game? I reiterate, the team is now over 150 strong with SCEWWS overseering development to the T.


occassionaly play online (much better than god awful Socom). The trench warfare sucked and the different charcters didn't really differentiate much when it came to actually using them in the game. The game looked good for a PS2 game at the time the production values were high. And the game still was nothing more than average I see no reason why this would change I'll hold my opinion till it's released.
Well, what's new. The fact is, multiplayer was solid and it had many high points. You're a pessimist and I'm an optimist, we'll see how that works out in the end.


Genji was the second lowest rated game on the PS3 end of story it's a bad game with decent graphics.No, it's an average game with graphics that blow away wave after wave of 360 games and this is no joke.


Gears of War I'm not either bothering with you about again. This was explained to you by several other posters. But you still have your head in the sand. As far as the merits of low model highly textured characters and models.Mstorm does look better than Gears, better lighting, better framerate, better physics all with more happening on screen, but that seems to be a clear cut PS3 advantage from the offset.


Incredible Hulk ultimate Destruction, Mercenaires, And Crackdown all are great sandbox games. I prefer all of them over GTA (my thoughts on GTA have been well documented on this board) Getaway is just bad I never touched the second one though.
.Well, I'm no pioneer of GTA as such, but you have to give props where it's deserved. GTA set a whole new standard for open ended gameplay in that genre, a comparable feat which Halo was not able to muster in the FPS genre, yet still you praise Halo to all hell, you're looking quite transparent right now. Well,well what do you know? you mentioned Crackdown didn't you, I guess you left Saints Row to sound balanced right? laughable really.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

If the PS3 is the lead Platform I've never heard that every preview I've sen seems to be the Xbox version of the game. Regardless a game coming to Xbox surpassed the biggest feature of your beloved Mstorm. Mstorm being the game to beat is not that big of a deal since it's currently the only Motorcross/Rally game on a Nex Gen console. As far as the usage of the PS3 the devs used I don't get into all that. For all anyone Knows no one will ever use all it's power according to Phil Harrison. Bottom line you can only judge whats available.

You mentioned Jak's technical prowess and mentioned it's no loading I corrected you. It's not nitpicking you made a inaccurate statement. JaK looks good but I don't think it was ever a great technical achievement. For any platform.

Regardles of the Focus on Sony's First party they are still dropping Duds. Genji Horribaly review. I forget the name but the online RPG at launch was horrible as well. Resistance was good. Motorstorm Average. So is F1. Even though technically the latter games were better than average. There has been nothing shown so far that SCEWW are making markedly better games. Especially to the level they can carry a platform. MS first party games seems to have made a dramatic improvement this year. Truthfully they didn't have as far to go as sony.

As far as Killzone the facts are the first game did deliver on expecations it was trumpeted as Sony's Answer to Halo. wether it was by Sony or the gaming press. That was how the game was measured. It failed. GG hasn't made a good console game yet. KZ2 introduction was a lie and embarressment. I see nothing to be optimistic about. It could turnout good. But there is nothing to suggest that it will.

Genji please your fanboyism is embarassing if that's your opinon hey cool. I'm finished with the Gears vs Mstorm debate. There is no way to determine a winner here. I have my opinion you have yours.

I've said that Halo didn't really introduce much just bought a whole lot of different elements together. I love the gameplay. It has some flaws it's far from perfect. I was one of the ones who *****ed about the ending on this board before anyone. Also I acknoweledge the ridiculous balance in the difficultly levels. Being even with it's flaws it's still one of the better and most complete FPS out there.

Crackdown is a great game If it was a Sony game I would have mentioned it. Saints Row was so much of a rip off that it doesn't deserve mentione although it does have a superior targeting system to GTA games.

GTA pionerred the open world gameplay but imo it was so unpolished GTA3 and Vice City were just not that enjoyable to me.

With me it's not about who makes the games it's about the games.

[folken001]

With me it's not about who makes the games it's about the games.

Yes, keep lying to yourself. Sometimes, it takes years for some people to see through their own denial. For some, it takes days. And then some, it would take a life time. Which one are you? My guess is the last. Isn't it?

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Yes, keep lying to yourself. Sometimes, it takes years for some people to see through their own denial. For some, it takes days. And then some, it would take a life time. Which one are you? My guess is the last. Isn't it?


yeah I woke up this morning with a MS logo tatted on my ass.:blush2:

[folken001]

yeah I woke up this morning with a MS logo tatted on my ass.:blush2:

You were probably born with it, you just didn't notice until this morning.

Anyway, this is a bad news for you. Red ring of death comes without warning and it's fatal. It sounds like Cancer, but it's only worse. The worst part is, M$'s replacement service takes a long time and they can't replace life. It seems you are completely screwed. Oh well.

[Gadfly2317]

You were probably born with it, you just didn't notice until this morning.

After shaving off the hair? Like the birthmark on Damien's head? Wow. Even Folken's firing off good one's. I'm not one for astrology, but something's in the air.

Or else my sense of what's witty has gone right down the toilet. :( ??

[thelastword]

If the PS3 is the lead Platform I've never heard that every preview I've sen seems to be the Xbox version of the game. Regardless a game coming to Xbox surpassed the biggest feature of your beloved Mstorm. Mstorm being the game to beat is not that big of a deal since it's currently the only Motorcross/Rally game on a Nex Gen console. As far as the usage of the PS3 the devs used I don't get into all that. For all anyone Knows no one will ever use all it's power according to Phil Harrison. Bottom line you can only judge whats available.Sega Rally was first announced for the PS3, it was demoed on the PS3 as well just like in this bit from a preview at a belgium website, read on..

The introductory part of the presentation in Amsterdam contained comparisons between the old and new SEGA Rally, especially concerning graphical details. For instance: the first SEGA Rally had environments consisting out of 20 000 triangles. Pretty weak in this day and age, but you mustn’t forget that in it’s time (already 12 years ago) these were pretty impressive. Next-gen consoles won’t be easily intimidated by this and plans to provide us with levels built out of 20 million triangles! Furthermore, this new SEGA Rally will include cars with 65 000 polygons each, which should provide us plenty of eye candy. All of this should normally run on a constant 60 frames per second and at 1080p; my hat off to SEGA should they attain this goal in the retail version. We couldn’t actually get any confirmation though whether or not the Xbox 360-version will support the same resolution, but we were assured both versions will look exactly alike in every way.Despite any of that, the fact is we haven't seen much of the game at all. So if it does have improved track deformation that's not to the detriment of motorstorm, the question we should be asking is whether Sega Rally will be a better game. Mstorm is not only about mud def, it's about great physics, brutal ai and the most fun arcade racing engine out there atm, it's also about 12 persons tearing those tracks up online.

In any case there's a huge update for motorstorm come the 7th of June. A tonne of new modes and fixes will be available on the PSN. You must also note that there are quite a few differences between Mstorm and Sega Rally. Mstorm is an offraod racer that's 100% arcadelike where Sega Rally mixes it up 50/50. Colin Mcrae on the other hand is 100% sim. In the end we've got to see more on Sega rally to see what it brings to the table. There's one other thing I know however, Mstorm is 100% fun.


You mentioned Jak's technical prowess and mentioned it's no loading I corrected you. It's not nitpicking you made a inaccurate statement. JaK looks good but I don't think it was ever a great technical achievement. For any platform.Dude, there was no loading in Jak1 whilst you played. when the gaming world was loaded from the title screen you could go anywhere on the island without ever seeing a loading screen, deal with it. In 2001 Jak1 was a technical achievement and the no load times had a bit to do with that. With Jak2 yet again the bar was raised with an even bigger world and some of the best graphical effects on the system, all at 60fps with no load times and some of the best animation last gen as well.


Regardles of the Focus on Sony's First party they are still dropping Duds. Genji Horribaly review. I forget the name but the online RPG at launch was horrible as well. Resistance was good. Motorstorm Average. So is F1. Even though technically the latter games were better than average. There has been nothing shown so far that SCEWW are making markedly better games. Especially to the level they can carry a platform. MS first party games seems to have made a dramatic improvement this year. Truthfully they didn't have as far to go as sony. You would surely like to believe that Mstorm is an average game, won't you? You are sadly mistaken, Mstorm is a riot of a game, nothing is wrong with Mstorm apart from a little short change on the singleplayer game modes, (which will be addressed come June).The core racing game/engine is beyond anything on the 360 atm where fun factor is part of the criteria.

F1CE has some flaws, but there's alot hidden in the menus that some reviewers never bothered to look into. A great sense of speed and if you're a fan of the genre, no other sim comes close in the console circles, that is, at the moment.


As far as Killzone the facts are the first game did deliver on expecations it was trumpeted as Sony's Answer to Halo. wether it was by Sony or the gaming press. That was how the game was measured. It failed. GG hasn't made a good console game yet. KZ2 introduction was a lie and embarressment. I see nothing to be optimistic about. It could turnout good. But there is nothing to suggest that it will. It was painted by the press and that is significant. Case in point, sometimes the gaming press will preview a game and splooge and the end result would not be indicative of their juice flow. If you can't see GG doing anything good then it's really up to you to believe that, to deny that much has changed and improved with that team is just blind bat$hit insanity biased I hate guerilla games bull.


Genji please your fanboyism is embarassing if that's your opinon hey cool. I'm finished with the Gears vs Mstorm debate. There is no way to determine a winner here. I have my opinion you have yours.
Dude, you know I'm not joking. These guys should really work on their camera and spruce up gameplay, because they have everything else covered.


I've said that Halo didn't really introduce much just bought a whole lot of different elements together. I love the gameplay. It has some flaws it's far from perfect. I was one of the ones who *****ed about the ending on this board before anyone. Also I acknoweledge the ridiculous balance in the difficultly levels. Being even with it's flaws it's still one of the better and most complete FPS out there.As I've said, I don't think Halo is the second coming, but I do believe it was a solid shooter in 2001. I think the most impressive thing about Halo was the music, plain and simple, it had a way of pumping you up for the charge, don't want to beat it too much, but everyone knows Halo's level design especially in the latter half was lacking severely. I don't beat that too much, because that's what it was. On the other hand I hate it when products are reviewed so well, hyped to all hell and lack basic polish. I do believe however that the offline multiplayer was pretty cool.

Crackdown is a great game If it was a Sony game I would have mentioned it. Saints Row was so much of a rip off that it doesn't deserve mentione although it does have a superior targeting system to GTA games. You know what, crackdown pales in terms of content alonsgside gta on the PSP, I'm not saying it's a bad game, but I don't think draws to GTA is warranted here. Hey! superior targetting, well it had to have improve on something from GTA of last gen, dontyathink?


GTA pionerred the open world gameplay but imo it was so unpolished GTA3 and Vice City were just not that enjoyable to me.I can understand that, never bought a Gta for the PS2, never got the urge. I did play a bit of GTA3 on the PS2 however and I started off San-Andreas on my PC, never really got back to that, but maybe it's because I had too much to play then. I do however give the series props for what it did.


With me it's not about who makes the games it's about the games.
Ok! :rolleyes:

[ilnadmy]

There was some discussion about GAF in the other thread, so I checked it out and clicked on a thread about the Halo 2 PC review. Here are some quotes I got from people posting in that thread:

it may be good compared to console shooters, but seriously... compared to PC shooters (shooters in general), halo is trash.

heh, im not a Halo fan, but i know a few people out there are, so the score might be a shocker for them (well, it shouldn't be compared with amazing FPS titles on the PC)

Lets be honest here, Halo wouldn't have been this popular if it were on the PC. It would have been overshadowed by Halflife / Counter strike and other superior shooters. This score is fair.

the game's pace is only good with a controller, but even then it's still filled with dated game design. when you put halo or halo 2 next to PC games (even those that came out before halo/halo2 xbox release), they're simply nothing special. before halo existed, i was playing games like tribes 2 on PC.


Basic summary of the game from PC Gamer.
"Boring, repetitive and 'achingly, repulsively mediocre'."

.. so, just like the X-box version.. :P

I'd probably have given Halo 2 for Xbox somewhere along 7.5 to 8.0 so I think this score is fair, Halo 2 is one of the most overrated games of all time.

the score that it deserved since the first version


AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL campaign


So now at least you people know that the few people on this forum that hate Halo are not just hating on it because it's on Xbox.

[NEO-360]

Neo, this is how threads in VGR work. I'm sorry if you were planning to add some useful discussion to the first topic, but you're gonna have to deal with it.

Hmm so maybe the first TimeSplitters had some weird analog system (although from what you say there are probably a bunch of different configurations, since the IGN review mentions that the right analog stick is used for looking around and the left analog stick is used for strafing). Either way, I know for a fact that TimeSplitters 2 had the dual analog stick layout that you were talking about because I played that game to death.

Also, Red Faction was released in May 2001, while Halo was released in November, so yeah Red Faction was released before Halo.

I remember Red Faction for the PS2. Cool game. I had it for awhile. Got rid of it after I ended it. It did come out before Halo did. Timesplitters was a cool game. Too bad it tried to hard to be different. Thats what actually turned me off from it though. Never played the full version of TS2 though. Played the demo. Controlled better than the original did IMO.

Getting back to the original topic of the so called lost 360 exclusives. Its kinda funny, I just read that a DOA game is coming to the PS3. I'm willing to bet its DOA 4 with a fresh coat of paint on it? LOL! Now if Tecmo and Team Ninja actually was going to make a brand new DOA game for the PS3 and make the game online playable then I would say kudos to PS3 owners. But we'll see if thats the route they go with it. Thats another 360 title coming to the PS3.(yawn) Cant wait for VF5 this summer on the 360.:thumbsup:

[NEO-360]

Last Word said that the most impressive thing about Halo in his humble opinion was the music? "Got Rehab?"

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Sega Rally was first announced for the PS3, it was demoed on the PS3 as well just like in this bit from a preview at a belgium website, read on..
Despite any of that, the fact is we haven't seen much of the game at all. So if it does have improved track deformation that's not to the detriment of motorstorm, the question we should be asking is whether Sega Rally will be a better game. Mstorm is not only about mud def, it's about great physics, brutal ai and the most fun arcade racing engine out there atm, it's also about 12 persons tearing those tracks up online.

The mud deformation was the defining feature of MStorm. Everything else you mentioned every racer claims that. To boil it down you have no facts when I responded with a preview of game with a direct comparisons of the two. The only legitimate response is we'll see.


In any case there's a huge update for motorstorm come the 7th of June. A tonne of new modes and fixes will be available on the PSN. You must also note that there are quite a few differences between Mstorm and Sega Rally. Mstorm is an offraod racer that's 100% arcadelike where Sega Rally mixes it up 50/50. Colin Mcrae on the other hand is 100% sim. In the end we've got to see more on Sega rally to see what it brings to the table. There's one other thing I know however, Mstorm is 100% fun.

I'm not getting into patches. I mean Sega Rally could have a 1000 patches after release. They aren't quite the same game I agree Mstorm is more Motorcross than a Rally racer but the preview compared the tech in the games and that's all I'm doing. Mstorm being 100% fun, yeah it's sales and reviews attest to that.


Dude, there was no loading in Jak1 whilst you played. when the gaming world was loaded from the title screen you could go anywhere on the island without ever seeing a loading screen, deal with it. In 2001 Jak1 was a technical achievement and the no load times had a bit to do with that. With Jak2 yet again the bar was raised with an even bigger world and some of the best graphical effects on the system, all at 60fps with no load times and some of the best animation last gen as well.

They masked the loading. Look bottom line Jak series weren't in the top 5 most impressive technical games on the PS2 much less gameplay wise. We'll see about Naughty Dogs next game. In fact it actually does look decent so I'm not going to dogg it I'll see how it turns out.


You would surely like to believe that Mstorm is an average game, won't you? You are sadly mistaken, Mstorm is a riot of a game, nothing is wrong with Mstorm apart from a little short change on the singleplayer game modes, (which will be addressed come June).The core racing game/engine is beyond anything on the 360 atm where fun factor is part of the criteria.

We are so far at different ends of the spectrum on this it's really no common ground to argue opinons. I dont think it's a great game I would be hesitant to call it good.


F1CE has some flaws, but there's alot hidden in the menus that some reviewers never bothered to look into. A great sense of speed and if you're a fan of the genre, no other sim comes close in the console circles, that is, at the moment.

Honestly I'm not going to take your word over a reviewers. Irreguardless of all that my initial point was that Sceww was not strong enough to carry a console. F1 in no way shape or form challenges that. What has been the sales of the game and average review of the game?


It was painted by the press and that is significant. Case in point, sometimes the gaming press will preview a game and splooge and the end result would not be indicative of their juice flow. If you can't see GG doing anything good then it's really up to you to believe that, to deny that much has changed and improved with that team is just blind bat$hit insanity biased I hate guerilla games bull.

This kills me more than anything. Lets be honest the only reason KZ2 is getting any type of pub is because of that BS CG trailer. What has changed? You have some inside knowledge to this team? The game has a different director? This sounds like more hoping and wishing on your part to me. Back this up with something substantial and then we'll talk.


Dude, you know I'm not joking. These guys should really work on their camera and spruce up gameplay, because they have everything else covered.

Another Xbox (platform) game of the year. Best selling game of this new generation. Facts! Say whatever you want.


As I've said, I don't think Halo is the second coming, but I do believe it was a solid shooter in 2001. I think the most impressive thing about Halo was the music, plain and simple, it had a way of pumping you up for the charge, don't want to beat it too much, but everyone knows Halo's level design especially in the latter half was lacking severely. I don't beat that too much, because that's what it was. On the other hand I hate it when products are reviewed so well, hyped to all hell and lack basic polish. I do believe however that the offline multiplayer was pretty cool.

Another Game of the year for the Xbox platforms (although this year Half-life 2 got it's share of Goty awards) You talk about Hype when you come to this board and hype every single Playstion 3 exlusive. With no type of objectivity come on .


You know what, crackdown pales in terms of content alonsgside gta on the PSP, I'm not saying it's a bad game, but I don't think draws to GTA is warranted here. Hey! superior targetting, well it had to have improve on something from GTA of last gen, dontyathink?

I'm not going to let you steer this toward a Crackdown vs. GTA I named several open world games I preferred over Gta most of which have appeared on Sony platforms.


Ok! :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

I challenged you before to find 1 SINGLE POST of me just bashing Sony. JUST ONE I have bashed several playstation games I have bashed the PS3. I have praised several SONY MADE playstation games. Check my post history see what my favorite console of all time was. My favorite game of all time. Check my opinon on the Handheld wars. See what I think of the Wii. Look up my preference in next gen formats(truthfully I rather stick to DVD for now) When there is so much bashing about Sony adding Blu-Ray to the PS3 see what my thoughts on that are. It's all there in my post history. Look at mines then look at yours. And that's all that needs to be said.

The attempt to just try and generalize someone to take away credence from there arguments shows how weak your standing is. You and the two other stooges.

"The truth is out there"

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

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I get PC Gamer and Games for Windows in the mail every month. I frequent PC gaming sites. I'm well versed in the PC Nazi community opinion of Halo.

[thelastword]

The mud deformation was the defining feature of MStorm. Everything else you mentioned every racer claims that. To boil it down you have no facts when I responded with a preview of game with a direct comparisons of the two. The only legitimate response is we'll see. And that's what I said, we will see, no media has been shown of this game as such. There are still many unknowns so there's no point in being conclusive having no media or even a demo to form an opinion. As I said we will see if the mud deformation is better and how so and we will see if Sega Rally is a solid effort in the end. I did say that if Sega Rally's mud deformation is superior it's no knock on Motorstorm. Mstorm is the pioneer in that realm, I expect many offroad/rally racers to follow suit. It is what EVO comes up with MStorm2 that will be telling.


I'm not getting into patches. I mean Sega Rally could have a 1000 patches after release. They aren't quite the same game I agree Mstorm is more Motorcross than a Rally racer but the preview compared the tech in the games and that's all I'm doing. Mstorm being 100% fun, yeah it's sales and reviews attest to that. Just letting you know that Mstorm is going to get even better before Sega Rally drops. The only reason why the reviewers knocked the game was because of the lack of some standard racing modes, it's still averaging 83% despite all that, that speaks of how much a quality racer it is. The patching should take it beyond that numeric value in the present scheme of things, but to all the people who are having a blast, they already know it's shining quality.


They masked the loading. Look bottom line Jak series weren't in the top 5 most impressive technical games on the PS2 much less gameplay wise. We'll see about Naughty Dogs next game. In fact it actually does look decent so I'm not going to dogg it I'll see how it turns out.
Results are results, you can't contest that. Uncharted on the other hand will be a frontrunner for best looking game of the year. So technically, it's all about Uncharted, Lair and Hsword this year.


Honestly I'm not going to take your word over a reviewers. Irreguardless of all that my initial point was that Sceww was not strong enough to carry a console. F1 in no way shape or form challenges that. What has been the sales of the game and average review of the game?
If SCEWWS cannot carry the PS3, ask MS to pack up and ask Nintendo to stop making another stale Zelda or Mario. Dude, Nintendo and MS first party combined can't hold a candle to Sony first party studios.


This kills me more than anything. Lets be honest the only reason KZ2 is getting any type of pub is because of that BS CG trailer. What has changed? You have some inside knowledge to this team? The game has a different director? This sounds like more hoping and wishing on your part to me. Back this up with something substantial and then we'll talk.There's no need to talk because you have never seen Killzone2 and have this urge to bash it and it's developer. Hell, I'm sure Killzone could look like the E3 trailer in every way and Halo fanboys would still wake up from deep sleep to suck blood.


I challenged you before to find 1 SINGLE POST of me just bashing Sony. JUST ONE I have bashed several playstation games I have bashed the PS3. I have praised several SONY MADE playstation games. Check my post history see what my favorite console of all time was. My favorite game of all time. Check my opinon on the Handheld wars. See what I think of the Wii. Look up my preference in next gen formats(truthfully I rather stick to DVD for now) When there is so much bashing about Sony adding Blu-Ray to the PS3 see what my thoughts on that are. It's all there in my post history. Look at mines then look at yours. And that's all that needs to be said.
Dude I have nothing of that sort to do, if one actually plays PS2 games they will eventually admit to it's quality stable, that's just inevitable, yes, that's no matter how much of a hardcore xbot you are beneath. The games don't lie, plain and simple. You are a witness. End of story.

[folken001]

How can DTM be praising SONY and trash them at the same time? You can't say oh PS2 is good but PS3 sucks when they both have similar time tables. PS3 doesn't have any games but did PS2 have any in the first 12 months? DTM is like making one comment then slap himself for saying it right after. THEN, he would say something to refute then slap himself again for saying it. It's hella confusing.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

How can DTM be praising SONY and trash them at the same time? You can't say oh PS2 is good but PS3 sucks when they both have similar time tables. PS3 doesn't have any games but did PS2 have any in the first 12 months? DTM is like making one comment then slap himself for saying it right after. THEN, he would say something to refute then slap himself again for saying it. It's hella confusing.

??? PS2 and PS3 are two different products. From day one PS2 had games that clearly showed it's superioty. And at the time every one new MGS2 was coming and that was before the shine had left the MGS series. There was no Xbox in the picture. DC was packing it in. And I've never been a huge Nintendo fan. Completely different scenarios.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

If SCEWWS cannot carry the PS3, ask MS to pack up and ask Nintendo to stop making another stale Zelda or Mario. Dude, Nintendo and MS first party combined can't hold a candle to Sony first party studios.

There's no need to talk because you have never seen Killzone2 and have this urge to bash it and it's developer. Hell, I'm sure Killzone could look like the E3 trailer in every way and Halo fanboys would still wake up from deep sleep to suck blood.


Dude I have nothing of that sort to do, if one actually plays PS2 games they will eventually admit to it's quality stable, that's just inevitable, yes, that's no matter how much of a hardcore xbot you are beneath. The games don't lie, plain and simple. You are a witness. End of story.

MS has a lot to prove with there first Party this year though there first party games look great.

Nintendo First Parties have been carrying platforms since Super Mario Bros on the Nes. Nintendo owns 4 of the top 10 selling franchises of all time.

Sony's platforms have been traditonally defined by 3rd parties. I love God of War but let's be real here in the States Madden and GTA carried it to dominace (even thought GT3 sold boatloads you can't really count a pack in). Final Fantasy and DQ were monsters in Japan. Now Sony is trying to change things we'll see.

The PS2 had tons of great games. But the Xbox had the best of the Best IMO. The best Shooters, The best Racers, The best Action Game (Depending on what you call God of War 2 it's more adventure but if you label it Action then Sony has it), The best RPG (granted I don't play JRPG'S) The best versions of Multiplats, The best online. Hell they were even on equal footing with Platformers. Sure Sony had good games. And maybe more. But these are my opinions.

As for the best games Technically so far we'll see. Honestly I'm not sure the PC is so far ahead it's moot. Nothing on the Consoles is going to touch Crysis or Spore (delayed :cryin: )

But Mass Effect, Alan Wake, Bio Shock, standup technically to anything on the PS3.

[ilnadmy]

Oh so now it's the PC Nazi opinion of Halo? Well done trying to discredit the bearers of opinion which you don't agree with. Because see, calling them "PC Nazis" automatically implies that whatever they say doesn't matter, which is what you were going for; the PC gamers' opinion doesn't matter, only the opinion of Xbox gamers matter (and those PC gamers who like Halo). Am I right or what?

Fact of the matter is, these are GAMERS. And a lot of GAMERS who have played a lot of FPS see Halo for what it is; an overrated, crappy, repetitive, and boring video game. It's not just a bad FPS, but a bad game in general.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

:idea: :idea: :idea: WOW your're right Halo is a bad game thanx for lifting MS brainwashing.


Over the last 10-12 years I've played as many FPS as anyone. First you need to get it out of your head that Halo is the first/only FPS me or any other xbot has played.

There have been several Landmark FPS over the last few years

Quake 2, Half-Life, Counter Strike, Team Fortress Classic, Goldeneye, UT, Battlefield 1942, Rainbow 6, Far Cry, Operation Flash Point, Medal of Honor Allied Assualt and Halo

These are the landmark FPS games all of them introduced new concepts they may not be the best games but you can see there "DNA" in most shooters today. Halo is up there I think it's a great game and so do millions of others. Call of Duty doesn't make the list because it basically just took the Medal of Honor formula and ran with it (better than MOH).

I've told you why Halo is a great game I'm not going back into it again.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Dude All I can say is this, be afraid, be very afraid. I always said that Sony first and second parties could not be touched, this time it will be felt across the gaming universe like no other time. It's going to be absolutely brutal.

Well you and I are so far off base it would just be a waste of time even replying. You are talking about Zone of Enders3 and games that are 20% done. You are complaining because I'm criticiizing what you claim are worthless Playstation franchises now. Dude, what the hell am I suppose to compare? AC and RidgeRacer are the games Sony chose to lead with! These are the games Sony said would bring in the nextgen! Plus they scrapped GT HD. So u just need to relax and come back down to earth and deal with the reality. In fact, you are making my point. There is NOTHING worth talking about on PS3 if all you are going to do is sit around and opine about games that are years from release.

Way back at E-3 before Sony launched they weren't pimping Armored Core and Genji, they were pimping Warhawk, MetalGear4, Killzone2....it turns those games would be years away from launch and you get garbage like we are talking about. And somehow gamers are supposed to bite their lip and not comment on this garbage.

As far as me being afraid, if all these great games you somehow attest to somehow turn into reality, I won't be afraid, i'll simply buy a PS3 and enjoy them. But I'm sorry i'm not as optimistic as you. Oh and MetalGear4 slipped again, March 2008, which really probably means September 2008.

I just don't understand why anyone would pay $600 for this machine right now it is the most useless of the three and happens to be the most expensive. Yeah there isn't a lot to play on Wii right now, but at least it is NOT $600.

[thelastword]

Nintendo First Parties have been carrying platforms since Super Mario Bros on the Nes. Nintendo owns 4 of the top 10 selling franchises of all time. Nintendo lost the platforming crown to Jak, Ratchet and Sly on the PS2.


Sony's platforms have been traditonally defined by 3rd parties. I love God of War but let's be real here in the States Madden and GTA carried it to dominace (even thought GT3 sold boatloads you can't really count a pack in). Final Fantasy and DQ were monsters in Japan. Now Sony is trying to change things we'll see.You speak like the 14 million copies of GT3 sold were pack-ins. I'm looking at 1 million packed-in copies of GT3 at best, and that still leaves us with 13 mllion copies sold seperately, so what is your point. GT4 was knocked a bit because of no online presence, yet still it sold 8 million copies, much more than Halo2. I agree that third party exclusives were important to the PS2, but the PS2 installbase guaranteed it the exclusives it received from them, not withstanding that good business relations between the Sony and third parties from the PS1 days was naturally sustained for the PS2.

As I said, I agree with GTA selling consoles, FF and DQ as well, these games may have a slightly larger stake in the pie, but apart from GT which matched Gta, games like Socom sold millions upon millions, Hot Shots sold millions, Jak sold millions, Eye Toy Play sold millions, God of War sold millions, hell even the Getaway sold millions....the point is, there were many contributors from Sony first party and there has been a significant focus on Sony first party software in this new generation.


The PS2 had tons of great games. But the Xbox had the best of the Best IMO. The best Shooters, The best Racers, The best Action Game (Depending on what you call God of War 2 it's more adventure but if you label it Action then Sony has it), The best RPG (granted I don't play JRPG'S) The best versions of Multiplats, The best online. Hell they were even on equal footing with Platformers. Sure Sony had good games. And maybe more. But these are my opinions. And surely it is your opinion. As for you saying that the xbox was on equal footing with the PS2 when it came to platformers, this just makes it clearer to us how screwed up your opinions really are.


As for the best games Technically so far we'll see. Honestly I'm not sure the PC is so far ahead it's moot. Nothing on the Consoles is going to touch Crysis or Spore (delayed :cryin: ) Personally, I don't think that crysis will be the be all and end all as it relates to graphics this year, but graphically it really is amazing, especially coupled with it's brilliant physics engine. It should be noted however that one would have to plop down some serious hardware to play it in all of it's glory as seen in previews. To be honest though, I think that the PS3 will have common place titles on the level of Crysis pretty soon.

Crytek has been recruiting staff to port Cryengine 2.0 over to the PS3 a while back, they're now working on a title for the system using that said engine, so we'll see how that goes. Carmack's new title should be an interesting one visually as well, as the guys at ID said it's more impressive than anything out there, so once again we shall see, funny, they're still using directx9 for that game. I've already mentioned graphical wonders as it relates to the PS3 this year, Ratchet is yet another title that should be mentioned in that pool, UT3 looks like the game built to display the best of UE3 IMO. The thing is, there are many games to see this year, Killzone is slated for this year and we have not seen it. Sony Gamers Day is ongoing, where most of the AAA titles are being shown. NDA's end at the end of the week. E3 is slated for July and there will be a wave of Sony first party games shown as well as third party exclusives. Fumito Ueda's next game will be an effin event and that's not afar off (ICO, SOTC creator). This year is young as it relates to media and revelations.

As it relates to Spore, this game is now slated for March 2008, to be honest I do not believe it's going to be a technical wonder when it releases, but it's gameplay should be amazing.


But Mass Effect, Alan Wake, Bio Shock, standup technically to anything on the PS3.This is the big problem with the 360, you mentioned two titles that will look significantly better on my PC and the third has just gone through massive downgrades, not good at all IMO.

[ilnadmy]

Fair enough, you have your own opinion. But I still can't see what you people like about Halo. To each his own.

[Cuddly Knife]

In any case there's a huge update for motorstorm come the 7th of June. A tonne of new modes and fixes will be available on the PSN. You mean all of these modes?

The new mode lets players chase up to seven ghost versions of themselves, or download and race against the best laps recorded by others from a worldwide leaderboard.

Another new feat