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Gamer From '78
04-18-2007, 06:32 PM
From Spong:

"The management of a corporation are rewarded for ‘increasing shareholder value’, so you’d expect the Nintendo management to have trouble getting out of their offices right now due to the sheer weight of rewards blocking the door. The reason for this is that, according to finance newswire, Bloomberg, Nintendo’s current share price on the Osaka, Japan Securities Exchange, is the best it’s been since the company launched on the exchange in 1962.

Analysts are slapping the Wii on the back for this one – although the DS, which has seen huge success in recent years, must also take some of the credit.

So, is the share price up on ‘good vibes’ and excellent word of mouth? No, while in fanboy land this kind of thing may hold sway, in the land of the market trader, it comes down to cash-money.

According to the company’s recent financial statements, overall sales went up a massive 90% to 966-billion yen (a smidge over £4-billion) for the year ended March 31. This compares well to the Januay forecast of 900-billion yen in sales.

Yes, you say, but the Wii and the DS are not exactly expensive pieces of kit compared to the PS3 or even the Xbox 360. So, maybe it’s sold a load of kit for not much cash? Nintendo states that its earnings are actually up by approximately 20-billion yen (£84-million).

All of this excellent news for president and CEO Satoru Iwata and his team, as are the recent findings from Japan-based statistics company, Enterbrain. Its figures for hardware sales in Japan for the week ending April 8th show sales of the DS up by 28% up to 110,935 (and that’s despite apparent stock shortages). Sales of the Wii also rose 52,583 – this compares with the PSP’s Japanese sales of 31,503 during the same week.

The PlayStation 3 beat out the Xbox’s 2,963 sales with 14,520 units of its own (less than half the Wii’s)."

Why don't I feel graphics matter so much this gen? First, sales of the PSP versus the Nintendo DS. The DS is clearly graphically inferior to the PSP, yet it's compelling content and innovative design and implementation have propelled it where the PSP will never be able to catch it.

Second, last-gen titles such as God of War II and Resident Evil 4 STILL look spectacular. While I will be the first to say how much graphics in games like Gears of War "wows" me, it takes second place to the gameplay. Wii games like Zelda, Paper Mario, WarioWare and many others deliver in spades.

Third, World of Warcraft. This game is decidedly LAST-GEN, yet it has sold over 8 million copies with over 7.5 million users subscribing currently.

Quality gameplay wins every time. A game is good regardless of how much bump and/or normal mapping it has.

With the pheomenal and unrelenting worldwide sales of the wii-nearing 7 million now, developer heads are turning. It doesn't take a genius to see that more & more projects will be released on the Wii.

BUT...Nintendo needs to not only have unique and fun experiences, they need to have the Guitar Hero's of the gaming world. How perfect would that game be on the Wii? And just like the classic controler, they could make the guitar plug directly into the Wiimote for wireless control. How great could that be?

While we see the Wii being played by grannies at the nursing home, I don't think people should mistake the fact that the system is selling primarily to gamers. What Nintendo has done is to make a system that CAN appeal to people of all ages and they are scoring free press as the world watches the news and sees old ladies throwing virtual bowling balls.

The best thing to happen to Nintendo was Yamauchi handing the reigns over to Satoru Iwata. He is leading Nintendo in a brilliant new direction.

And back to the question of how important are graphics? The world has spoken. And Wii is kicking @$$. :thumbsup:

Mochan
04-18-2007, 09:59 PM
I'm not entirely sure what the point of using the Wiimoto for Guitar Hero is, other than making an onscreen avatar jive to the same movements you are making.

One thing about your statement on graphics:

Why don't I feel graphics matter so much this gen? First, sales of the PSP versus the Nintendo DS. The DS is clearly graphically inferior to the PSP, yet it's compelling content and innovative design and implementation have propelled it where the PSP will never be able to catch it.

I think it's more like "graphics don't matter for overall sales." But frankly graphics matter a lot to me.

As for compelling content and innovative design, I am more convinced that it's the Nintendo brand (very strong on handhelds) plus non-gamer content like Nintendogs and Brain Age that is moving it (compelling content) rather than the innovative design (dual screen and touch screen).

BTW, I don't know how Warioware on the Wii is, but Warioware on the DS is one of the worst games I have EVER had the displeasure of crossing.

Anyway if you feel like downplaying graphics just because the rest of the world says it doesn't matter, feel free but I am and always will be a graphics whore. While its true that brilliant graphics won't save a bad game, I will always value good graphics. And I think a good chunk of the gaming world does, too. I mean GOW wouldn't be such a megahit otherwise, frankly.

ThaMaskedGamer
04-19-2007, 07:48 AM
Nintendo is taking this approach because graphics don't matter to a certain segment of the gaming market and if they can dominate this segment, they can be very profitable in that space. So good for Nintendo.

I was just looking at Alien Syndrome for the Wii. And I was asking myself, isn't the Wii supposed to be 3 times more powerful than the XBOX? Yet it looks sh*tty compared to XBOX games! The only decent looking game was Zelda.

I still contend that Nintendo has managed to sell a lot of systems thus far, but not games yet in the USA. I still don't see Wii moving games like 360 is doing, neither is PS3 but for some reason i'm not too worried about Sony. Wii could very well end up like the GC which also got off to a good start if I recall.

GameLegend
04-19-2007, 01:27 PM
Graphics matter.
Sigh. Thats what happens everytime i read about a developer porting a game from PS2 to the Wii and they state "We will totally utitlize the Wii remote controls" And i m left asking, thats it?
Thats the LEAST a publisher can do,is make the game accessible to the Wii controls.

I wont stand for it. I refuse to purchase any port that does not utilize above PS2 graphics on the Wii.
ex: GodFather Backhand Ed., Heatseeker, Metal of Honor: Vanguard (slight upgrade hardly noticeable), ScarFace

Sorry, utilizing controls alone doesnt cut it for me.

ilnadmy
04-19-2007, 02:16 PM
I don't know where people are getting the "Wii is 3x as powerful as the Xbox". Last I read the Wii is on par with the GameCube.

GameLegend
04-19-2007, 02:17 PM
I don't know where people are getting the "Wii is 3x as powerful as the Xbox". Last I read the Wii is on par with the GameCube.

Last I heard from discussions in E3 that it was 2-3 times more powerful than the GameCube.

Mochan
04-19-2007, 02:27 PM
Last I saw the Wii's games at best are only on par with the Gamecube. Hopefully that will change to 2-3 times a Gamecube. At least.

Gamer88
04-19-2007, 05:55 PM
Graphics don't matter at all, lets revert back to the nes days...how awesome would that be if some company still made snes games, hell, i'd buy chrono trigger/cross 2

give me cyber empires on an old dos computer and i'll be satisfied

GameLegend
04-19-2007, 06:06 PM
Graphics don't matter at all, lets revert back to the nes days...how awesome would that be if some company still made snes games, hell, i'd buy chrono trigger/cross 2

give me cyber empires on an old dos computer and i'll be satisfied

No, see your referring to nostalgia. Back then you probably thought cyber empires' graphics standards were acceptable and that same feeling of enjoyment u got years ago dawns upon u now when u play that game.

If graphics REALLY did not matter, heck u should be downloading a bunch of SNES games u didnt already play. In that case u should be preoccupied downloading NES/SNES games from Wii or your computer. But i doubt u are going NES/SNES rom crazy now are u?

Gamer From '78
04-19-2007, 09:11 PM
I'm not entirely sure what the point of using the Wiimoto for Guitar Hero is, other than making an onscreen avatar jive to the same movements you are making.

One thing about your statement on graphics:

I think it's more like "graphics don't matter for overall sales." But frankly graphics matter a lot to me.

As for compelling content and innovative design, I am more convinced that it's the Nintendo brand (very strong on handhelds) plus non-gamer content like Nintendogs and Brain Age that is moving it (compelling content) rather than the innovative design (dual screen and touch screen).

BTW, I don't know how Warioware on the Wii is, but Warioware on the DS is one of the worst games I have EVER had the displeasure of crossing.

Anyway if you feel like downplaying graphics just because the rest of the world says it doesn't matter, feel free but I am and always will be a graphics whore. While its true that brilliant graphics won't save a bad game, I will always value good graphics. And I think a good chunk of the gaming world does, too. I mean GOW wouldn't be such a megahit otherwise, frankly.

First, let me clarify the use for the Wiimote. Basically, the Nunchuck, Classic controller, etc. all work by plugging them into the Wiimote. The Wiimote then basically acts as a transmitter to send the signal back & forth from the Wii and the controller. So more or less, having Guitar Hero's controller plug into the Wiimote would essentially make it wireless.

Second, while I am also a big fan of newfangled graphics (hence why I love my 360 so much) a shallow game that looks beautiful does nothing for me. Hence the reason I couldn't care less about a game like Motorstorm. I'm not saying that graphics don't matter in the sense that some are making out (SNES would be just fine, etc.) but rather that the Wii is capable of some very nice graphics ala Resident Evil 4 and Umbrella Chronicles. Zelda as well and some crazy stuff like Super Paper Mario.

This is why I referred back to World of Warcraft. A huge seller with last-gen graphics. Many "current-gen" games such as Guitar Hero 2 and others have less than stellar graphics. Yet it makes no difference in how fun the game is to play.

And this is also relevant when looking at the continued popularity of games such as Castlevania. Retro graphics, timeless gameplay. People can't get enough.