RPG WARS!!!!! What console has your role-playing eye?

[Gamer88]

Their seems to be a very thin line distinguishing RPG support for the next-generation of consoles. I know Blue Dragon is out for the 360, but other than that what is there?

Basically, if you like RPGs, which console is going to attract your interests? I would say the the RPG genre has a steady slew of followers, who would gladly focus their console choice on the RPG's available. Seeing as how the 360 is already ahead in this department (to my knowledge...lets see)
Oblivion (seems to appeal more to western, non-traditional RPGers
Blue Dragon
to PS3's superior Oblivion

As far as upcoming RPG's for the two consoles, I know that PS3 has FFXIII..and thats about it..

the 360 has a possible blue-dragon 2, and they have KOTOR 3,and Fable 2

and what about the Wii? Haven't heard much on any new RPG for the wii, but I know that the virtual console should eventaully get some old treasures like Chrono Trigger ( I hope) if that counts. Maybe the Wii will get a SKIES OF ARCADIA 2! Holy ****, I wonder what that game would be like...of course, it's probably not significant for the massive RPG market, but all us GC gamers who were craving an RPG last generation found this one more than sufficient.

I got a load of questions...

What is monolith soft doing? (the people behind xenosaga) I know their series was cut short from a once 6 game series down to three, but what future games are they planning, if any?

and does anyone know of any PC RPG that is taking advantage of the upcoming Direct x 10? What does the PC hold for the future of RPGing.

and can either Warhammer Online or Lord of the Rings MMO's even put a dent in the ever-popular World of Warcraft?


and did anyone here ever actually finish a RPGmaker game?



what I really want to know, from all your points of view, is what console do you think will be the RPGers favorite this generation? and Why?

[Mochan]

For consoles, the RPG chips will fall in this way, probably:
Western RPGs - 360 You can already see the big guns eyeing the 360 and making stuff for it. I can't help but think that the 360 support for JRPGs just won't be there, Enchant Arm did lousy and despite Blue Dragon's high profile, I have to wonder just how popular it will be with the standard XBot crowd.
JRPGs - Wii - I can't help but feel that the mass of JRPGs are going to be on the Wii rather than PS3 or 360. I'm talking games like Breath of Fire, Suikoden, Front Mission, Xenosaga, Shin Megami Tensei, Dragon Quest, etc.
But the PS3 is not to be underestimated. At least Wild Arms will still be on the PS3. And Final Fantasy XIII is still going to be on the PS3.

For the PC, well this is still the place for MMORPGs, and you still get a good deal of very good RPGs, but little to no JRPG support. WoW will rule forever and I doubt LOTR Online is going to topple it. But I think LOTR online will do reasonably well. Warhammer Online though will just be another MMORPG in the sea.

In the meantime it seems that PC RPGs will become fewer and further in between. Instead we will get more action RPGs.

[folken001]

It's hard to tell. But back then, PS2 was kinda too weak to run western RPGs and Western RPG developers didn't really bother to make port their games onto PS2. Now, PS3 is powerful enough. So, people should see a health mix of RPGs on PS3.

I still don't see Wii becoming the major focus of any 3rd party except Nintendo themselves.

[Gadfly2317]

It's not very often an RPG appeals to me, but Blue Dragon really does. And I want to play Oblivion, and I like action RPG's like Fable, so Fable 2 is much wanted (I realize real RPG fans don't consider that an RPG, but anyway. . . )

So, oddly, it's 360.

I think Wii could be a great system for RPG's, but I'm not aware of any RPG's for it yet.

[folken001]

It's not very often an RPG appeals to me, but Blue Dragon really does. And I want to play Oblivion, and I like action RPG's like Fable, so Fable 2 is much wanted (I realize real RPG fans don't consider that an RPG, but anyway. . . )

So, oddly, it's 360.

I think Wii could be a great system for RPG's, but I'm not aware of any RPG's for it yet.
DQ sword?

[Mochan]

Wii could be the home of the "real" "Action" RPG.

[folken001]

Wii could be the home of the "real" "Action" RPG.
If Wii has a game like this one, then I am sold.

http://www.seanbaby.com/nes/naughty/naughty02b.jpg

can you say Boong-Ga Boong-Ga?

Boong-Ga Boong-Ga is the first arcade game that combines of assaulting a@@holes and fortune-telling.

http://www.seanbaby.com/nes/naughty02.htm

And yes, you can quote me on that. ONE game like this on Wii, I will get one myself.

[Ocelot]

At this point I'm leaning toward Xbox 360 for my RPG fix this year. Mass Effect, Blue Dragon and Eternal Sonata look impressive. Even though PS3 is bringing FF13 to the table, I'm currently hacking through FF12 so I'm in no rush to play this.

I also hope to see another Deus Ex title.


PS: worry not Gamer 88, PS3 will deliver an (F-word) load of RPGs aside from FF13 just give it time.

[PapaSmurf]

KOTOR 3 hasn't even been announced yet. I don't think we can put it into 360's boat just yet. Bioware is a 3rd party dev. KOTOR 3 might be coming to the PS3 as well. I for one will be getting it for the PC, but I'm not getting my hopes up for anymore KOTOR as another sequel has yet to be announced.

[Cuddly Knife]

Actually, OXM assured us last month that KOTOR3 is rolling along.

RPG's for the 360 include Enchant Arms, Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Mass Effect, Two Worlds, and Sacred 2. There's also C&C3, but I'm not sure if that goes in rpgs. And Culdcept?

PS3 RPG's include Untold Legends(trash), Soon Enchant Arms, and the eventual FF Thirteen. Beofre long though, I expect more for the PS3 to be announced.

[PapaSmurf]

KOTOR3 has not been annoucned. If it was I would know. Hell I'm pretty sure it's in developement too, but there has been nothing official. I trust Lucasarts and Bioware sites, more than a pro-xbox gaming magazine anyday of the week when it comes to stuff like this. I just was at the OXM forums and a person said what was in the magazine wasn't true. I haven't read the issue, but like I said I trust Lucasarts and Bioware (hell don't even know if Bioware is even making it this time...)

We'll see what happens when it's actually announced and if it's exclusive to the 360 or not, which I seriously doubt it will be.

[Mochan]

It may be a timed exclusive, but it will more than likely show up on the PC as well.

[PapaSmurf]

Timed exclusivity is not a deciding factor when you already have the system the game is going to come out for at most 4-6 months later.

[ilnadmy]

You guys are forgetting the amazing-looking White Knight Story on the PS3.

Overall, it's going to be:
Western RPGs - 360
Japanese RPGs - PS3 and Wii

If you're into those JRPGs with the awesome graphics and great FMVs, then PS3 is up your alley. If you're into the cel shaded, simpler JRPGs, then the Wii is what you want.

This is just my assumption of course.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Right now the 360 has got to be any RPG gamers choice

you have

Oblivion and later this Month Shivering Isle's will be release with a Patch to add in the shader effects that were improved in the PS3 version

Enchant Arm was already released

Blue Dragon this summer

Overlord and 2 worlds both this summer

Eternal sonata

Lost Oddyesse

unnamed Level 5 rpg.

What's so special about White Night story looks like typical turn based RPG to me. If you like those games of course you would be excited but I've seen people on this board who don't particularly J-rpgs bring this game up.

[ilnadmy]

It's the combat system. I can't really explain it, but watch the videos and you'll understand. It looks very organic.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

It's the combat system. I can't really explain it, but watch the videos and you'll understand. It looks very organic.

it looks like basic turn based system to me.

[ilnadmy]

I was talking about the animations, with the blocking and hitting animations connecting perfectly and such. As far as gameplay, I don't know much yet, but it looks like a good JRPG, which is as good a reason as any to be happy.

[Glockstar]

WHAT'S OUT NOW

360
- Oblivion
- Enchanted Arms
- Final Fantasy XI
- Phantasy Star Universe
- Marvel Ultimate Alliance

PS3
- Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom
- Marvel Ultimate Alliance
- Oblivion

Wii
- Marvel Ultimate Alliance
- Beyond Oasis (Virtual Console)
- Sword of Vermilion (Virtual Console)

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WHAT'S UPCOMING - THRU THE END OF 2007

360
- Two Worlds
- Mass Effect
- Elveon
- X Quest
- Blue Dragon
- Lost Odyssey
- Eternal Sonata
- Fable 2
- Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom
- Spectral Diario

PS3
- Enchanted Arms
- Age of Conan
- X Quest

Wii
- Super Paper Mario
- Alien Syndrome
- Code Lyoko
- Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Crystal Bearers
- Fire Emblem: Goddess of Dawn
- Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars (Virtual Console)

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For me personally, the 360 wins it easily. I've already got 350+ hours into Oblivion and Marvel Ultimate Alliance, with probably another 150 hours upcoming after I get their "expansions".

Then I've got Mass Effect(!) and Fable 2 coming out.(!) And I honestly have to admit that Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey look intriguing, despite my general disdain for J-RPGs. I get the feeling that Blue Dragon is going to be one of the years biggest events - and I'm not sure if I want to miss out on that.

[ilnadmy]

Blue Dragon, one of the year's biggest events? Really?

I woulda thought you guys would be all over Halo 3. And it's funny how the Xbots are suddenly falling in love with JRPGs once they've started coming out for the 360.

[Glockstar]

Blue Dragon, one of the year's biggest events? Really?

I woulda thought you guys would be all over Halo 3. And it's funny how the Xbots are suddenly falling in love with JRPGs once they've started coming out for the 360.

Why don't you generalize some more, then maybe you'll have a better understanding. :rolleyes:

[PapaSmurf]

I have to agree with Glock, this is an RPG thread....

[ilnadmy]

Weren't Xbots the ones that kept saying how crappy the JRPGs on the PS2 were, and how JRPGs in general don't interest them? And now they're falling over themselves trying to praise Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey and Eternal Sonata? Give me a break.

[Cuddly Knife]

And who are these XBOTS, exactly?

[Mochan]

Then I've got Mass Effect(!) and Fable 2 coming out.(!) And I honestly have to admit that Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey look intriguing, despite my general disdain for J-RPGs. I get the feeling that Blue Dragon is going to be one of the years biggest events - and I'm not sure if I want to miss out on that.

<I>Riiiight,</i> the moment JRPGs come out on the Xbox, they become intriguing. ¬_¬

Also, Elveon and Two Worlds are also coming to the PS3, are they not?


But yes, the 360 is still definitely the winner at this point.

[Ocelot]

<I>Riiiight,</i> the moment JRPGs come out on the Xbox, they become intriguing. ¬_¬

Also, Elveon and Two Worlds are also coming to the PS3, are they not?


But yes, the 360 is still definitely the winner at this point.

Yeah, I mean what if Resistance was on X...whoops RPG thread, my bad!

For some reason, right now I'm more interested in trying some J-RPGs on 360. Something refreshing about it. Blue Dragon looks really cool. In the end I grabbed a 360 mostly for the ultimate Western RPGs among other genres.

[Gamer88]

Yeah, I mean what if Resistance was on X...whoops RPG thread, my bad!

For some reason, right now I'm more interested in trying some J-RPGs on 360. Something refreshing about it. Blue Dragon looks really cool. In the end I grabbed a 360 mostly for the ultimate Western RPGs among other genres.


I don't care much for oblivion, but blue dragon definatly looks interesting to me. KOTOR 3 and Fable 2 would be must buys. Also, later this year, hopefull,y the Sith Lords restoration project will be done so anyone that still cares can play an actual complete version of KOTOR 2 the sith lords.

and ilnadmy, what xbots are you talking about? Do I count as an xbot?

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Mass Effect....the progression from KOTOR to Jade Empire has me waiting to see what they have in store for Mass Effect. Immediately one of the biggest differences in this game is that in comparison to their standing with other games, unlike KOTOR and JE, Mass Effect might be one the best looking titles to date.

The one thing I love about Bioware inspired RPGs is the combat system is not hack and slash like Oblivion. Heck Jade Empire probably had the most varied and uniqe combat system of any RPG to date. I think these guys are innovators and there is no way i'd miss this game.

The only other RPG i'll be playing is Oblivion. I just couldn't get traction on this game, but I do plan on finishing it.

[Cuddly Knife]

Mass Effect might be one the best looking titles to date. I agree, and I don't understand how people(haters) like Word can say that Gears of War is the limit to what the 360 can do graphically, when there are games like ME, and even on some levels Lost Planet which surpass Gears graphically. Mass Effect looks better than what I've seen of MGS4, which is supposed to be the PS3 graphical showpiece. But then again, so was Motorstorm, and we all know how that came out(average).

[Mochan]

Bioware innovators? PFFT

Baldur's Gate ripped off the Darklands combat system, and their entire portfolio is based on using an existing game system designed over the past 30 years.

Jade Empire was a novel idea but isn't quite as unique as it seems, there's an old PC game called Revenant which did the same idea only it had more customization of your character. And what of Star Ocean 3? The combat in that game felt a lot more fulfilling than Jade Empire's.

And personally the evolution from KOTOR to Jade Empire left me wretching, Jade Empire SE what a HORRID game.

[ilnadmy]

Mochan, this is an RPG thread, no room for bad-mouthing Xbox games here.

LOL Gamer88, everyone wants to know if they're an Xbot now. I don't consider Gamer an Xbot because he does have a PC and discusses it on the PC forums, so he's more well-traveled if you know what I mean. I was thinking more in terms of the people who last gen kept talking about how JRPGs are all the same and the battle system sucks and they're all just big FMV parties, and yet now they're all over Blue Dragon. Those people are the real Xbots.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Bioware innovators? PFFT

Baldur's Gate ripped off the Darklands combat system, and their entire portfolio is based on using an existing game system designed over the past 30 years.

Jade Empire was a novel idea but isn't quite as unique as it seems, there's an old PC game called Revenant which did the same idea only it had more customization of your character. And what of Star Ocean 3? The combat in that game felt a lot more fulfilling than Jade Empire's.

And personally the evolution from KOTOR to Jade Empire left me wretching, Jade Empire SE what a HORRID game.

First, if games weren't influenced by past games we'd still be playing Space Invaders and Asteroids.

Second, all of this coming from a guy who dissed the original Half-life, Halo, and now Baldur's Gate and Jade Empire. It is an understatement to say you and I have completely different tastes in games. I've never heard anyone criticize Jade Empire's novel combat system...anyone who actually played it. I myself was skeptical because back then a lot of other guys around here had played J.E. before I did. I picked it up late and the first few hours it seemed odd but once you get the hang of it you can't put it down.

[Gadfly2317]

I was thinking more in terms of the people who last gen kept talking about how JRPGs are all the same and the battle system sucks and they're all just big FMV parties, and yet now they're all over Blue Dragon. Those people are the real Xbots.

Who are you thinking of, just out of curiousity? I haven't seen any long-time xbot who hated JRPG's last gen suddenly start talking up this game. I'd be ripping them if I noticed. . . I hate hypocrisy.

Pretty much the people talking about this game were people who were not "xbots" last gen, but Ps2 fans who are now into the 360. People who are all over Blue Dragon are not real Xbots, they are people MS is managing to draw in by getting the games and expanding beyond the more limited racer/shooter focus of the Xbox. MS just need to keep doing more of this.

Personally, my interest in JRPG's is fairly weak, but Blue Dragon's appeal to me is the variety of gameplay it has mixed in, including even shooter sequences. If it were just FMV and random battles, I'd be yawning.

[ilnadmy]

Well I think I recall Glock and 78 and Neo talking about how crappy the battle systems in JRPGs are and how their stories are all crap and they're just a bunch of FMVs. Of course I'd have to go dig through past threads to prove this and to be honest I don't have the drive to go and do that, so if I've mentioned someone who never ragged on JRPGs I apologize. I am pretty sure, however, that those three, among others (maybe even Cuddly? I'm not sure...) didn't like JRPGs and now they're hyping up Blue Dragon.

[Cuddly Knife]

Not me, FFX and Eight are my favorite RPGs ever, yo. You'd know this if you payed any attention to what people were posting. Just like in this very thread, Glock mentions that he doesn't like JRPG's but has slight interest in Blue Dragon. You missed that part, I guess?

And this? Mochan, this is an RPG thread, no room for bad-mouthing Xbox games here.Didn't you notice that Mochan was talking about RPGs? My guess is yes, but since you saw that they were also XBOX(btw, BG is also on the PS2) games, you had to hate.

Meh.

[ilnadmy]

First of all, that post to Mochan was pure sarcasm about how Xbots are telling me not to post stuff about other genres because this is an "RPG thread." Yeah, like that stopped them from posting about different genres in a thread that is discussing FPS or whatnot.

Second, I said that I wasn't sure whether or not you dissed JRPGs. And when Glock said that he doesn't like JRPGs but is interested Blue Dragon, that's the whole REASON I made that statement.

Maybe you need to start paying attention to what I'm saying.

[Glockstar]

...was pure sarcasm about how Xbots are telling me not to post stuff about other genres because this is an "RPG thread." ...

XBOTS told you that? You've got issues.

[Cuddly Knife]

Maybe you need to start paying attention to what I'm saying.

Nope. It's you. Hater.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

OH MY GAWD ilnadmy is under attack by PHANTOM XBOTS!

i Personally hate random battles more than anything in Jrpgs the turn based nature and over abundance of cutscenes turns me off as well. Blue Dragon doesn't have random battles it's more like Grandia (Grandia 3 on DC I played for about 4 hrs the longest I've ever played a Jrpg) even with that I still doubt I'll play it.

As for Lost Odysysee the combat hasn't been revealed but if it's real time I'm there that's what they have been hinting at.

Another one that's been forgotten is Kindom Under Fire it's more of an action game but it has online co-op and looks great (plus slade says it's not a action game)

[Cuddly Knife]

From what I've seen of LO, the combat is just turn-based.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

From what I've seen of LO, the combat is just turn-based.

well forget it then.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Who are you thinking of, just out of curiousity? I haven't seen any long-time xbot who hated JRPG's last gen suddenly start talking up this game. I'd be ripping them if I noticed. . . I hate hypocrisy.



He may have me in mind because I've stated numerous times my dislike for turn-based rpgs. The last completely turn-based rpg I played was a game on the PC called Odium. Ever since then I just think they are kinda stupid. Then I have also stated my dislike for Japanese anime , not all of it, but this fixation with teen-age boys and girls is kinda homo-ish and pedaphilic to me. I mean it seems J-RPGs are obsessed, sexuall, with kids.

However, he probably has me mixed up with other people like CK who never criticized J-RPGs and ARE looking forward to Blue Dragon. I'm NOT looking forward to Blue Dragon. Though I agree with you, it does round out the product line-up and in that sense I definitely think it is a good thing. Just like I thought it was a good thing that FF came to 360. The more genres covered the better.

[Glockstar]

From what I've seen of LO, the combat is just turn-based.

Are you sure? I thought it was real-time too.

I once stated that I was looking forward to LO more than BD, but all the BD media has grabbed my attention away. And I haven't heard anything on LO in quite some time. Which makes sense to me - I mean, they're both from the same company and BD is scheduled to come out first - but at the same time, "out of sight, out of mind".

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As far as illnadmy... I think CK and TMG both got it right: he's a Mixed-Up Hater.

[ilnadmy]

Maybe you need to start paying attention to what I'm saying.

Nope. It's you. Hater.
Ooh. Awesome argument. I'm speechless. Can't argue with that logic.

As far as illnadmy... I think CK and TMG both got it right: he's a Mixed-Up Hater.

And you have yet to reply to my suggestion that you're a hypocrite. I'm not surprised though. You've been all over the place lately, and as long as your argument supports the 360 anything can fly. Don't count foreign games, support JRPGs even when you hate them, etc... So why don't you stop trying to throw baseless, paper-thin arguments in my face like "You're a hater" and start responding to my arguments.

I'll tell you why. Because with all the stink you've been spewing lately it would take a freaking miracle worker to get a coherent argument to come out of you, and given your avatar I'm not surprised. In fact, it seems to suit the "new you" quite well.

[Gadfly2317]

Well I think I recall Glock No; I'm guessing that's not right. It was Glock who turned me on to Xenosaga, Ogre Tactics, and Disgaea (though I haven't played the copy of Disgaea I bought yet.)

and 78
Well, 78's tastes change from time to time, as we know. BUT, I do recall he's a huge anime fan, and criticizing the repetitive nature of JRPG's doesn't disqualify one from also liking JRPG's. We all know, even those that are big fans of the genre, that the genre has an epidemic of titles riddled with cliched plots and repetitive gameplay. Blue Dragon looks to be a stand-out in the genre. That's the thing, a lot of us who are not fans of a specific genre still may be interested in the best or most original titles that genre has to offer. I'm not sure Blue Dragon is that title, but there's a reason many of us are interested in it, and that reason is not because it is on the 360.

and Neo
Neo doesn't own a system or play games, so you can't really call him an Xbot, even though he does like talking about Kratos and Ryu Hayabusa a lot due to his love of chisled muscle-men.

<they>didn't like JRPGs and now they're hyping up Blue Dragon.
The other thing is, you don't have to like a game at all or even intend on playing it and still be able to cite the title in the context of System Wars. There's all kinds of titles we point to when comparing the systems and how we think they will do. Blue Dragon is a title that's helping 360 in Japan, and will help MS make inroads into new demographics in the US.

It's like how when I point out how I think the double-punch of Halo3/GTA4 on a $200 less expensive console is gonna be a real kick in the balls to Sony. I have no interest currently in Halo 3, but I still cite it in systems wars.

[ilnadmy]

No; I'm guessing that's not right. It was Glock who turned me on to Xenosaga, Ogre Tactics, and Disgaea (though I haven't played the copy of Disgaea I bought yet.)


Well, 78's tastes change from time to time, as we know. BUT, I do recall he's a huge anime fan, and criticizing the repetitive nature of JRPG's doesn't disqualify one from also liking JRPG's. We all know, even those that are big fans of the genre, that the genre has an epidemic of titles riddled with cliched plots and repetitive gameplay. Blue Dragon looks to be a stand-out in the genre. That's the thing, a lot of us who are not fans of a specific genre still may be interested in the best or most original titles that genre has to offer. I'm not sure Blue Dragon is that title, but there's a reason many of us are interested in it, and that reason is not because it is on the 360.


Neo doesn't own a system or play games, so you can't really call him an Xbot, even though he does like talking about Kratos and Ryu Hayabusa a lot due to his love of chisled muscle-men.


The other thing is, you don't have to like a game at all or even intend on playing it and still be able to cite the title in the context of System Wars. There's all kinds of titles we point to when comparing the systems and how we think they will do. Blue Dragon is a title that's helping 360 in Japan, and will help MS make inroads into new demographics in the US.

It's like how when I point out how I think the double-punch of Halo3/GTA4 on a $200 less expensive console is gonna be a real kick in the balls to Sony. I have no interest currently in Halo 3, but I still cite it in systems wars.
See, now that's a well thought-out argument.

[Cuddly Knife]

Gadlfy always was one with the words.

In any case, he's still saying what the rest of us were also saying. That you're confused and need to get your facts straight before the hate. But this is old hat already, so I'm whiting this out.

Let me ask a Q to get back on topic;

What classic RPG's should be made for the next-gen systems? I'd like to see something like Earthbound remade, only with realistic graphics(since it was set in real Earth, I think). I also want a Zelda game on the 360 or PS3. The whore in me wants a next-gen Zelda with slick, original(think Wind Waker, only a new style) graphics instead of 3-D control of my shaft.

[Mochan]

Fallout and Suikoden of course.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Clash at Demonhead. Action RPG on the original Nes man that game was sweet. Me and my brother was near the when mom came home and starting cussing us out for not cleaning and playing that game my brother gets so scared that he jumps up and turn the NES off instead of just the T.V.! :mad2: we didn't right down the password. And in his panic of my moms switch (yeah real ghetto) he throws away our passcode sheets while cleaning. Man we never went back to that game Tecmo Bowl took over. But I would love to see a remake or at least put in on the VC I'd bother hooking the wii up online for that.

[ilnadmy]

I'd like to see a Level 5 RPG (the guys who made Dark Cloud 1/2, Rogue Galaxy). They've made some really good stuff, and I'd love to see a next-gen version.

[Ocelot]

I don't care much for oblivion, but blue dragon definatly looks interesting to me. KOTOR 3 and Fable 2 would be must buys. Also, later this year, hopefull,y the Sith Lords restoration project will be done so anyone that still cares can play an actual complete version of KOTOR 2 the sith lords.

and ilnadmy, what xbots are you talking about? Do I count as an xbot?


I guess 2007 has tought me a lesson and considering how much I enjoyed my first Xbox, I really should have known...but hey! I've made references to myself being an Xbox on more than one occasion but in the grand scheme of things I'm really not. I'm officially a proud owner of both "Hi-Def" systems and this year is all about my 360. Even though Halo3 and Bioshock are my two top games, there are too many to list here that will have my 360 working OT this year.

The games you listed above are indeed promising and aside from Kotor 3 I must agree. I guess after clearing KOTOR I just couldn't get into the sequel. Maybe I'll step back into the sereies. I really need to give the first Fable another chance.

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

What classic RPG's should be made for the next-gen systems?

Was the original Golden Axe considered an action-rpg? I can't remember (don't know if I even played the game since it's been so long), but there's a next-gen version being made, and it sounds like it could be an action-rpg. If it is, I hope it doesn't turn out like that Gauntlet game did on PS2/Xbox a couple of years ago. That one was crap.

I wouldn't mind seeing this Genesis/Saturn game, Beyond Oasis, made into a next-gen action rpg. Of course, I would have to have a choice of main characters, and it couldn't be developed by Sega. Besides Virtua Fighter, I can't think of a good Sega developed game.

For the original subject: It's all 360 when it comes to RPGs, just like the Xbox was before. I don't know if there's any rpgs on PS3 I'm looking forward to that isn't multiplatform, so every rpg I get will probably be on 360, except for Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey. I have no interest in either of them.

[Cuddly Knife]

IMO, Fable was MEH to the max. The fighting wasn't fun, the RPGing was barely there, the promises were underdelivered. Working on the game as long as they did , it shouldn't have been such a pieced together at the last moment type deal, because that's the way it felt. Give me Zelda instead.

I'd like to see a Chronicals of Riddick RPG. It seems like the material is there for a great tale.

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

I was the opposite. When I was playing Twilight Princess back in late December (between Bowl Games), all I wanted to do was find a decent copy of Fable and play that instead. I thought the combat was fun (melee combat, anyway), and I enjoyed the customization options in the game. I never bought into the promises for the game, probably because before Fable, I never heard of Moleneux (sp?) so there wasn't high expectations for me with the game except for what I saw in that DVD that came with Fable pre-orders.

[Glockstar]

Ditto.

[Mochan]

Golden Axe isn't anywhere close to being an action RPG.



For the original subject: It's all 360 when it comes to RPGs, just like the Xbox was before. I don't know if there's any rpgs on PS3 I'm looking forward to that isn't multiplatform, so every rpg I get will probably be on 360, except for Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey. I have no interest in either of them.

Well the 360 is definitely the RPG console right now, but the XBox last gen wasn't, the only RPGs it had were what? Fable, KOTOR, Morrowind and Jade Empire?

Maybe I missed something and I do realize you have no interest whatsoever in JRPGs, but that's hardly a convincing set of RPGs. I do realize that one great game is worth far more than a dozen crappy ones (or a dozen ones you don't care for) but I still find it hard to accept that the XBox was "the Console RPG" last gen even coming from someone who might have truly loved the few RPGs that came on it.


Speaking of Fable, while it certianly didn't deliver on pretty much anything it promised, it was still a fun game for me but hardly an RPG revolution. Heck it was more action adventure game than RPG actually.

Molyneux, he's a famous guy in PC circles, however he is also famous for overhyping and overpromising and underdelivering. He hyped Black and White a ton but the resultant product, as usual fell far short of the mark.

[Cuddly Knife]

Golden Axe isn't anywhere close to being an action RPG.

No, it's not. It's straight-up arcade action, but now that I think of it, it would make a great Action RPG.


Speaking of Fable, while it certianly didn't deliver on pretty much anything it promised, it was still a fun game for me but hardly an RPG revolution. Heck it was more action adventure game than RPG actually.


That's why I compared it to Zelda, which is leagues better. Fable 2 looks neat though, with the whole Dog mechanics.

[Gadfly2317]

No, it's not. It's straight-up arcade action, but now that I think of it, it would make a great Action RPG.



That's why I compared it to Zelda, which is leagues better. Fable 2 looks neat though, with the whole Dog mechanics.

Zelda was definitely better. . . graphics, gameplay, length, more memorable characters.

But I really like this type of game, and Fable had many merits. It came across as a strong first try, and hopefully the sequel can build on the original and fix some of the flaws, like the weak combat, the length, the constraints of the paths vs. a more open world.

It would be cool if the RPG/sandbox elements like owning houses and other things could be more integrated into the story somehow.

[Mochan]

I keep saying the way to integrate those sandbox elements is to do a story ala Suikoden where you get your stronghold and it is assailed by opposing forces. I don't get why the idiots at Bethesda could never figure this out. You have a keep, a keep isn't just to live in, it's to hold strategic positions of land to keep enemies at bay!

They're too stuck in their "Quests is Best!" Mentality and just keep churning out more and more boring quests when the real way to make the game and the action run is to break away from assigning quests to NPCs that you talk to, but to have the game take you places by itself at times! Look at Oblivion, 400+ hours gameplay from doing repetitive quests you get by talking to every NPC you see one at a time and them sending you to Point A to get object/kill person then return to Point B for reward. That's so retarded. And that's *after* you became Guildmaster or Lord of the Castle or what not... as if all that meant was to have the title then you leave the guild never to set foot again in the guildhall as you go about your business finishing the other 399 quests the game has to offer. Retarded.

Make the game come to you and create the narrative, so you don't just look like some kid in a candy score picking out candy one at a time doing stupid FedEx quests. Make the world live! Breath! Do stuff to you even when you're not looking! Have opposing barons amass armies and set them to your doorstep when you're not looking (or even when you are) independent of what you are doing. Have monsters move into the woods outside your castle and start killing your cattle and your townsfolk while you are out adventuring. And don't make it scripted! Why no RPG developer has ever thought of doing things like this, I will never understand.

If you take the examples I gave, this could be a mix of RTS and RPG - an RTS engine that controls opposing enemy barons/lords AI and creating forces to send to your doorstep, or say you have a forest with resources in it (food) so monsters move in from the edge of the map to feed. I feel so many things could happen with game design but nobody wants to do stuff like this. It's very exasperating.

[Zilla Man]

What classic RPG's should be made for the next-gen systems?

That's simple. Most of you are probably too young to remember these and I think Mochan's the only one on here who's played them:

I'd love to see ULTIMA IV through IX remade with the Oblivion engine.:D

I'm sorry but there has yet to be any console game with as great AI, NPC's, and choice/consequences as these games were. Morrowind and Oblivion are steps in the right direction but they still pale in comparison to Lord British's Magnum Opus.

I'm surprised that all these years later with the leaps in technology, programming, and AI that nobody's stepped up to the plate in this area.

[Mochan]

Yeah, Ultima VII in particular has AI that Oblivion tried to copy, but didn't quite get right. Ultimas though had some rather crumby writing in parts but who cares, Oblivion had that too.

The main problem with the Elder Scrolls games is that they always feel "impersonal" and despite the vastness they still feel generic in comparison to Ultima, whcih just felt more fleshed out all around (back when they were contemporaries). While Oblivion has made huge steps forward to combat these problems that plauged the earlier Elder Scrolls games, it's still lacking that special something the Ultima games had (though granted I may be walking a bit through memory lane with rosey glasses ehre -- I did try to play Ultima IV and Ultima VII again a few years back and the experience was.... not entirely pleasant). But it can't be denied that the Ultima games did manage some AI and world-detail feats still unmatched in RPGs today.

[Glockstar]

No; I'm guessing that's not right. It was Glock who turned me on to Xenosaga, Ogre Tactics, and Disgaea (though I haven't played the copy of Disgaea I bought yet.)


Well, 78's tastes change from time to time, as we know. BUT, I do recall he's a huge anime fan, and criticizing the repetitive nature of JRPG's doesn't disqualify one from also liking JRPG's. We all know, even those that are big fans of the genre, that the genre has an epidemic of titles riddled with cliched plots and repetitive gameplay. Blue Dragon looks to be a stand-out in the genre. That's the thing, a lot of us who are not fans of a specific genre still may be interested in the best or most original titles that genre has to offer. I'm not sure Blue Dragon is that title, but there's a reason many of us are interested in it, and that reason is not because it is on the 360.


Neo doesn't own a system or play games, so you can't really call him an Xbot, even though he does like talking about Kratos and Ryu Hayabusa a lot due to his love of chisled muscle-men.


The other thing is, you don't have to like a game at all or even intend on playing it and still be able to cite the title in the context of System Wars. There's all kinds of titles we point to when comparing the systems and how we think they will do. Blue Dragon is a title that's helping 360 in Japan, and will help MS make inroads into new demographics in the US.

It's like how when I point out how I think the double-punch of Halo3/GTA4 on a $200 less expensive console is gonna be a real kick in the balls to Sony. I have no interest currently in Halo 3, but I still cite it in systems wars.


Gadlfy always was one with the words.

Yeah, thanks Gadfly. Great... argument...? :confused: No but seriously, thanks.

[T.Tashi]

I do seem to recall debates about Japanese rpg developers vs. Western rpg developers and how Jrpgs were basically played out rehashes with boring turnbased combat and western devs were on the cutting edge. Similar to the old argument that content counts over sales, which has also reversed. Go figure. I like this site for checking rpgs.

http://www.rpgamer.com/games/upcoming.html

The DS, Windows and PS2 are the front runners in terms of rpg content, and I concur, I still have a ton of PS2 rpgs to wade thru.

Playing WoW rekindled my love for what the PC platform offers in terms of rpgs. But these days I'm kinda busy so the DS and PSP are the most convenient platforms for me as of late. Hopefully the rpgs for the DS won't suck, like they have been.

[ilnadmy]

Playing WoW rekindled my love for what the PC platform offers in terms of rpgs.

YEAH BABY!! WoW rocks! Hey what's the status of your characters so far? How far have you gotten?

[T.Tashi]

YEAH BABY!! WoW rocks! Hey what's the status of your characters so far? How far have you gotten?

I have a lvl 50 rogue and I've almost maxed out his assassin build. That's the only character I have. I know people who juggle multiple characters and wow where do they find the time? :P I try to get in a couple hours after work (midnight) and right when I'm prepared to log off some people will want to group for an instance that takes 2 hours. I had to start saying no. Playing til 4-5am was killing me. I do have some peeves, like the crappy item drop rates but otherwise it's a pretty amazing game.
BG is always a mixed experience because it seems the Horde players are generally always better than the Alliance.

I wanted to try Vanguard but I won't have a PC that can run it properly for a while.

[ilnadmy]

Yeah don't bother with Vanguard, I hear only bad things about it.

I personally have my Shaman up to 63, but I took like a 5 month break from WoW. Once BC came out and I got a new computer I went back into the game with a vengeance. I play about 2-3 hours a day, and I'm leveling pretty constantly every 2-3 days. Hope to hit 70 soon and start exploring end-game content, maybe even start up a new toon.

And yeah, Horde rocks and Alliance sucks. How come you don't know that yet?

[T.Tashi]

And yeah, Horde rocks and Alliance sucks. How come you don't know that yet?

Heh, so is that what I have to do to avoid the kids? :p
Fortunately I hooked up with a good guild, but sometimes WoW is juvenile enough to really get on my nerves. Especially since I'm supposed to be on a RP server... supposed to be.

[ilnadmy]

Haha noob, there are no RP servers in WoW. There's just "hey look some people are actually taking this seriously ROFLOL" servers. You should roll on a PvP server horde-side. Nothing more satisfying than having a dwarf hunter 2 levels higher than you roll up on you and start attacking you, having him kill you, then using Shamans' battle rez to own his surprised noob face, and then laughing at him back in the Cenarion Outpost so that when he attacks you the guards take him out (true story).

Man, Alliance sucks.

[T.Tashi]

Haha noob, there are no RP servers in WoW. There's just "hey look some people are actually taking this seriously ROFLOL" servers. You should roll on a PvP server horde-side. Nothing more satisfying than having a dwarf hunter 2 levels higher than you roll up on you and start attacking you, having him kill you, then using Shamans' battle rez to own his surprised noob face, and then laughing at him back in the Cenarion Outpost so that when he attacks you the guards take him out (true story).

Man, Alliance sucks.


Speaking of taking it seriously....:p

[ilnadmy]

Speaking of taking it seriously....:p
I can take you, Alliance noob.

:D

[Gamer88]

Am I the only one that thinks the Naga should have been a playable, third party race? They should have made the Burning Crusade come with an additional faction. The Alliance, Horde, and now Outland (a faction). Illidian's night elves (few if any), Kael's blood elves, and the Naga would have made for a badass faction.

[ilnadmy]

I'd prefer if they added Pandaren Horde-side for the next expansion - World of Warcraft: The Freezing Jihad.

You Alliance kids can have...I dunno...beetles, or children, or something.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

Is it just me or does it seem rather odd that PS3 doesn't have more RPGs and didn't at launch? When PS2 launched, it was full of crappy Summoner, Orphen, and I think there were more...what happen PS3?