Capcom's response to fan's rage.

[folken001]

I am sure by now that most of you have read the current outrage to Capcom's decision to port DMC4 onto XBox360.

no? not really?

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6168044.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;3

So, hopefully, BY NOW, you know that there are people out there who are mad regarding to Capcom's decision.

It's a topic that has been talked about a lot on various forums. People flame each other back and forth. Pretty much, it's just Sony fans and 360 fans having a shouting contest while Wii fans chilling on the side and grinning.

From Xbox360's point of view, it's really just another kick while Sony's down. I doubt most of xbox users even care for DMC series at all. However, like usual, they pretend that they have great interest in the game and calling Sony fans selfish and pathetic for wanting it to be an exclusive to PS3. Obviously, websites like Kotaku.com also pointed out that it would be stupid for Capcom not to go multiplat. (Kotaku is pretty baised in my opinion, even though the guy tries often to portrait that he isn't, but w/e) Capcom itself also tried to cover its own butt by saying the decision was made purely because it cares for other gamers out there so on and so forth. Here is my question though. PS2 sold like 100+ millions. It's safe to say that whoever is into videogame had a PS2 most likely. And how many copies did DMC/DMC2/DMC3 sell? 15 mil? Is that an overestimation? Whatever the real number was, it couldn't have been close to 100 million. So what additional fanbase is Capcom trying to tap into?

To Sony fans' defense, I do believe they have the right to be angry. After all, it's them who support Capcom and DMC ever since the beginning. Capcom can't just leech off these people's loyalties for years and now ask them to be subjective when DMC is going to be taken away. It's also pretty misleading when Capcom has been advertising it as PS3's exclusive up until now. All in all, Capcom has lost some credits with me for pulling this stunt. I'll rant about them again if SF4 doesn't come out next year.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

I am sure by now that most of you have read the current outrage to Capcom's decision to port DMC4 onto XBox360.

no? not really?

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6168044.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;3

So, hopefully, BY NOW, you know that there are people out there who are mad regarding to Capcom's decision.

It's a topic that has been talked about a lot on various forums. People flame each other back and forth. Pretty much, it's just Sony fans and 360 fans having a shouting contest while Wii fans chilling on the side and grinning.

From Xbox360's point of view, it's really just another kick while Sony's down. I doubt most of xbox users even care for DMC series at all. However, like usual, they pretend that they have great interest in the game and calling Sony fans selfish and pathetic for wanting it to be an exclusive to PS3. Obviously, websites like Kotaku.com also pointed out that it would be stupid for Capcom not to go multiplat. (Kotaku is pretty baised in my opinion, even though the guy tries often to portrait that he isn't, but w/e) Capcom itself also tried to cover its own butt by saying the decision was made purely because it cares for other gamers out there so on and so forth. Here is my question though. PS2 sold like 100+ millions. It's safe to say that whoever is into videogame had a PS2 most likely. And how many copies did DMC/DMC2/DMC3 sell? 15 mil? Is that an overestimation? Whatever the real number was, it couldn't have been close to 100 million. So what additional fanbase is Capcom trying to tap into?

To Sony fans' defense, I do believe they have the right to be angry. After all, it's them who support Capcom and DMC ever since the beginning. Capcom can't just leech off these people's loyalties for years and now ask them to be subjective when DMC is going to be taken away. It's also pretty misleading when Capcom has been advertising it as PS3's exclusive up until now. All in all, Capcom has lost some credits with me for pulling this stunt. I'll rant about them again if SF4 doesn't come out next year.


How is Capcom taking the series away? It's still coming to the PS3. This isn't what the initially did with RE4.

As for your point about sales. No everyone who plays games doesn't own a PS2 some people owned only Xbox or GC last gen. Look the PS2 is up to about 120 mill sold that's cool but there are over 6 billion people on this planet. So the market can always grow. Everyday is some kids first day getting a console. Or Some adult finally deciding to pick one up. My point is across multiplatform there will be more sales to earn.

Now if this would hurt the quality of the game you may have a point but I doubt that would happen.

[Mochan]

Kotaku's a heavily biased site. Not to mention, it's a very ass-holish site.

Anyway Folken, nobody is "taking DMC4 away" it's still there on the PS3, it's just that it's also there on the 360, and that is obviously going to damage the Playstation platform.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

I am sure by now that most of you have read the current outrage to Capcom's decision to port DMC4 onto XBox360.

no? not really?

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6168044.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;3

So, hopefully, BY NOW, you know that there are people out there who are mad regarding to Capcom's decision.

It's a topic that has been talked about a lot on various forums. People flame each other back and forth. Pretty much, it's just Sony fans and 360 fans having a shouting contest while Wii fans chilling on the side and grinning.

From Xbox360's point of view, it's really just another kick while Sony's down. I doubt most of xbox users even care for DMC series at all. However, like usual, they pretend that they have great interest in the game and calling Sony fans selfish and pathetic for wanting it to be an exclusive to PS3. Obviously, websites like Kotaku.com also pointed out that it would be stupid for Capcom not to go multiplat. (Kotaku is pretty baised in my opinion, even though the guy tries often to portrait that he isn't, but w/e) Capcom itself also tried to cover its own butt by saying the decision was made purely because it cares for other gamers out there so on and so forth. Here is my question though. PS2 sold like 100+ millions. It's safe to say that whoever is into videogame had a PS2 most likely. And how many copies did DMC/DMC2/DMC3 sell? 15 mil? Is that an overestimation? Whatever the real number was, it couldn't have been close to 100 million. So what additional fanbase is Capcom trying to tap into?

To Sony fans' defense, I do believe they have the right to be angry. After all, it's them who support Capcom and DMC ever since the beginning. Capcom can't just leech off these people's loyalties for years and now ask them to be subjective when DMC is going to be taken away. It's also pretty misleading when Capcom has been advertising it as PS3's exclusive up until now. All in all, Capcom has lost some credits with me for pulling this stunt. I'll rant about them again if SF4 doesn't come out next year.


The mouth-frouthing PS fan looks at their exclusive games like Gollum looks at the "Ring" my precious. It is very sad to be jealous because another system "stole" your precious. We see it in the PC community("Halo was stolen" "Ghost Recon is now crap" etc.) and we see it in the PS community now and in the past.

Your analysis, as usual, is way off course.
<b>"PS2 sold like 100+ millions. It's safe to say that whoever is into videogame had a PS2 most likely. And how many copies did DMC/DMC2/DMC3 sell? 15 mil? Is that an overestimation? Whatever the real number was, it couldn't have been close to 100 million. So what additional fanbase is Capcom trying to tap into? </b> Yup the PS2 not the PS3 sold 100+ millions as you say. But the PS3 has not and likely will not have that kinda of install base. By the time DMC is published PS3 will be lucky to have 10 million installed worldwide. Couple that with the fact Playstation fans don't buy a lot of software then it is obvious they have to bring their products to the 360. Lost Planet and Deadrising were test cases in a sense that proved to Capcom they can make a lot of money on 360, unlike say GCN last cycle. This is purely financial the PS3 is not going to allow publishers to make major revenue by itself, at least not for a few years.

<b>I doubt most of xbox users even care for DMC series at all.</b> You are right. I don't think many cared when the game was exclusive to PS2. Why worry about a game that you can't play? But now that it will be on 360 of course 360 gamers are going to be INTERESTED. As Armored Core and VF5 will see, and like Metal Gear 2 and FF saw, that interest doesn't mean automatic sales. DMC will have to step up and show that it can hold its own in the growingly crowded 360 market. And I think Capcom, unlike a lot of other cross-over publishers, understand this. I think this will probably be the most ambitious DMC game yet, not just because it is nextgen, but also because it is coming to 360. If anything the DMC faithful should be very pleased because they are definitely going to get a better game. One that will likely feature additinal content/support for LIVE.

I was looking at pics of Ace Combat 6 which now features 16 player support over LIVE. First of all the game looks damn good, even the terrain detail is pretty good. But I doubt if this was a PS3 project it would feature 16 player online support, not that Sony's network can't handle it, but it would be a waste of money and time. Hell RFOM features what 100 people online or something crazy, it isn't really helping move product. The mindset of the PS gamer is give me a marginally entertaining 10-12 hour single player experience and i'm happy. 360 gamers want an explosive single player experience and a meaty online experience to boot.

Anyway I look forward to DMC. I haven't bought Lost Planet nor Dead Rising yet, i'm waiting for them to drop to like $20 bucks. I can't say yet whether I will buy DMC it just depends on what the game offers, when it is released, and what other games are available. If it comes down to DMC vs. Mass Effect/Halo3/Bioshock/Assassins Creed/Forza2 for example, I just don't see the game being that good. But if they release during a dry period of time, like um NOW, then i'd likely get the game. It seems like this game is going to get lost in the shuffle if you ask me. Lost Planet and DeadRising did well because they helped diversify the lineup, but after May throughout Christmas there will be too many good games and this one might get lost in the mix. We will see what Capcom can do to improve it.

[Cuddly Knife]

I would easily pick up DMC4 if I had to choose between that and Mass Effect/Bioshock/Halo3/Forza2, but maybe not for Assassin's Creed.

And I wouldn't give a rat's asshair if Ninja Gaiden 2 came out day one with the 360 version, but I bet a lot of 360 fanboys would be crying as bad if not worse than the ones crying about DMC4.

[Gamer From '78]

I am sure by now that most of you have read the current outrage to Capcom's decision to port DMC4 onto XBox360.

no? not really?

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6168044.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;3

So, hopefully, BY NOW, you know that there are people out there who are mad regarding to Capcom's decision.

It's a topic that has been talked about a lot on various forums. People flame each other back and forth. Pretty much, it's just Sony fans and 360 fans having a shouting contest while Wii fans chilling on the side and grinning.

From Xbox360's point of view, it's really just another kick while Sony's down. I doubt most of xbox users even care for DMC series at all. However, like usual, they pretend that they have great interest in the game and calling Sony fans selfish and pathetic for wanting it to be an exclusive to PS3. Obviously, websites like Kotaku.com also pointed out that it would be stupid for Capcom not to go multiplat. (Kotaku is pretty baised in my opinion, even though the guy tries often to portrait that he isn't, but w/e) Capcom itself also tried to cover its own butt by saying the decision was made purely because it cares for other gamers out there so on and so forth. Here is my question though. PS2 sold like 100+ millions. It's safe to say that whoever is into videogame had a PS2 most likely. And how many copies did DMC/DMC2/DMC3 sell? 15 mil? Is that an overestimation? Whatever the real number was, it couldn't have been close to 100 million. So what additional fanbase is Capcom trying to tap into?

To Sony fans' defense, I do believe they have the right to be angry. After all, it's them who support Capcom and DMC ever since the beginning. Capcom can't just leech off these people's loyalties for years and now ask them to be subjective when DMC is going to be taken away. It's also pretty misleading when Capcom has been advertising it as PS3's exclusive up until now. All in all, Capcom has lost some credits with me for pulling this stunt. I'll rant about them again if SF4 doesn't come out next year.

Another jilted Sony-fan whining about yet another lost exclusive. When Metal Gear Solid 4 and/or Final Fantasy XIII go multiplatform, there will be full-on crocodile tears the likes of which System Wars has never seen! :cryin:

You don't need anyone to tell you the sorry state of the PS3 Folken. You don't listen anyway. But here is a BIG sign for you! Capcom did it for MONEY. They are making MONEY on the 360. The PS3 is NOT SELLING WELL! Clover's Okami was a brilliant game...THAT NOBODY WHO OWNED A PS2 BOUGHT!!! The result? Clover is out of business.

You might as well get used to it. Pretty much all 3rd party games are either going to be exclusive on the 360 (because Microsoft PAYS for exclusives!) or multiplatform. You have to rely on the 1st party games. And I have to tell you, right now-Sony ain't looking so hot.

[folken001]

Obviously, it's not lost to PS3. But, the whole exclusivity special aura is completely gone. I would think after getting support from fans over the years, at least, Capcom should've given PS3 some exclusive period. Capcom didn't even bother to do that. It's very apparent that Capcom is doing this even out the cost. However, I don't see why Capcom is in such a hurry to release DMC. DMC hasn't even gotten a release date, but release platforms have to be locked first? It seems the whole thing is kinda out of order. It's just somewhat disappointing that Capcom didn't really bother to show some courtesy to Sony or, at least, Capcom fans who own PS2/PS3.

I wonder if Xbots would whine about the samething if next DOA or next NG become multiplat at launch? It seems this has become the trend since the developmental cost has become so ridiculous high.

@DTM: I dont think consoles will have full penetration into household. Not ever. And 120+ million is a lot of people. While some people might grow into videogaming, some might grow out of it. Either way, I think it's illogical to assume just because there are 6 billion people on Earth, hence there are still ALOTMORE of potential buyers out there. We had billion of people years ago, and 120 millions is the highest count among any console. So, I think my original estimate isnt so far off the base. The point is DMC hasn't even achieved to capture 20% of PS2 userbase, what makes capcom think they can extend the popularity into nongamers? That just strikes odd to me.

@Daman: once again, you are off. I am not going to write a paper to make a response. Just read my reponse to DTM and that should cover it. AC6 was another surprise to me. While AC's popularity has gone down quite a bit due to questionable decision on namco's party(US release of AC3 was butchered and AC4 was a diaster), I still prefer it over other flight fighting games/simulation/w.e. I wonder if it's going to be exclusive to 360. Joystiq made it seem like it's going to be. But, gamespot didn't sound so sure. We'll see.

[NEO-360]

Obviously, it's not lost to PS3. But, the whole exclusivity special aura is completely gone. I would think after getting support from fans over the years, at least, Capcom should've given PS3 some exclusive period. Capcom didn't even bother to do that. It's very apparent that Capcom is doing this even out the cost. However, I don't see why Capcom is in such a hurry to release DMC. DMC hasn't even gotten a release date, but release platforms have to be locked first? It seems the whole thing is kinda out of order. It's just somewhat disappointing that Capcom didn't really bother to show some courtesy to Sony or, at least, Capcom fans who own PS2/PS3.

I wonder if Xbots would whine about the samething if next DOA or next NG become multiplat at launch? It seems this has become the trend since the developmental cost has become so ridiculous high.

@DTM: I dont think consoles will have full penetration into household. Not ever. And 120+ million is a lot of people. While some people might grow into videogaming, some might grow out of it. Either way, I think it's illogical to assume just because there are 6 billion people on Earth, hence there are still ALOTMORE of potential buyers out there. We had billion of people years ago, and 120 millions is the highest count among any console. So, I think my original estimate isnt so far off the base. The point is DMC hasn't even achieved to capture 20% of PS2 userbase, what makes capcom think they can extend the popularity into nongamers? That just strikes odd to me.

@Daman: once again, you are off. I am not going to write a paper to make a response. Just read my reponse to DTM and that should cover it. AC6 was another surprise to me. While AC's popularity has gone down quite a bit due to questionable decision on namco's party(US release of AC3 was butchered and AC4 was a diaster), I still prefer it over other flight fighting games/simulation/w.e. I wonder if it's going to be exclusive to 360. Joystiq made it seem like it's going to be. But, gamespot didn't sound so sure. We'll see.

Bottom line:The once PS3 exclusive is now coming to the PC and the Xbox 360 also. Why? Dead Rising and Lost Planet both sold extremely well on the 360. Therefor money talks and BS walks! So now DMC4 is 360 bound. Trust me when I tell you this:Its only going to get worse Folken.

Now the latest in rumorville is now the Final Fantasy series showing up in the future on the 360 is now a possibility. And not to mention in the latest Game Informer the man:Hideo Kojima said a couple of things that was indeed interesting.

Now only did he say that he actually likes the Xbox 360 but he also said that he would be interested in making a game for the console as well. What else is there left to say but:ITS GOOD TO BE A 360 OWNER!!

Xbox owners: :D

PS3 owners: :cryin:

Any questions?

[Bane]

I dont think you guys see the real problem here.Without exclusive titles nothing game wize will set these console's apart.Without PS 3 exclusive games they will lose the war hands down to the 360.Id rather pay $300 for a system then $600 with the same games.If this trend keeps happening they might as well just merge and make 1 console in which they can charge as much as they want because it will be the only one in existance.This is not good news at all,atleast for the PS 3.I would be pissed to if i bought a PS 3 spending 600 for one then finding out all my favorite games are going to the 360.It would then make you feel as though you got ripped off paying twice as much for a console that loses its good exlusive titles.I would care less if it was a lesser known game but DMC is one of those games that would sell the PS 3 and now there losing that.

[thelastword]

The problem I see in all of this, is that there might be a bigger possibility of DMC being lower in quality overall, since it's going multiplat. There's no doubt that exclusive games push systems much more than multiplats, and that much more care and detail is tailored into the games as a result. What makes it worse in this whole Capcom/DMC scenario, is that from the outset the engine in use for DMC4 was/is not an engine built ground up for the PS3, but rather a multiplat engine just souped up. I think Capcom went after it's bottomline and there's no doubt that MS coerced them with moneyhats, to make such an announcement just days before the Euro launch is a bit of a slap especially from a console brand which launched their most important franchise (currently) which is (RE) and of course DMC into stardom. I just hope it doesn't backfire to badly for Capcom in the longterm and hope that this does dwindle interest in the series from hencetoforth. The fact is Capcom like any other better be ready for some serious competiton on the PS3 console in that genre, I do not think DMC4 will measure up to Hsword in terms of visuals especially with this multiplat engine, the gameplay aspects are what we will analyze later.

[Cuddly Knife]

OK, Word, now I see that you really are a dumbass fanboy b!tch.

[slade]

That petition is crap just like the petitions and boycotts from the Nintendo fanboys when RE4 went multiplat. The game will be fine since Capcom is usually good with their multplatform titles and their Framework Engine allows for easy ports between consoles.

[Mochan]

The petition is as stupid as it gets, but I think something in what TLW says is true, much as it pains me to admit it, making a multiplat will prevent a game from pushing itself and the hardware its on to the limits, I mean if Halo were a multiplat with the PS2 how far do you think would the developers have managed to push it?

If it were a timed exclusive and they would port it later after devoting time to one system I don't see any real problems but simultaneous development will take its toll somehow.

[Gamer88]

Last Word....out of pure curiousity, do you actually work for sony?

Hell, do you consider yourself a volunteer crusader/advertiser for sony?

People like you got some skill. You can make a pile of dog$$$t look delicous. The PS3 isn't getting setback, hell, things are going completely according to plan. Sony, ie all that is good in the universe, will truimph once more simply because they are Sony and loyalty should be above all else.

thats how my dad is, has anyone seen V for Vendetta? My dad came in when the chanceller was giving his speech, and my dad said "Right on", "Thats right, that guy knows what he is talking about" In 100% seriousness. Why? Because when someone says "we will prevail", or "get the terrorists", he is sucked in. He is one loyal MF####, even if the candidate he voted for in the 2000 and 2004 election screwed up royalty, he will support him and even movies which vaguely make fun of him or portray a character similar to his style because he is loyal.

but at least my dad is loyal to something that matters, like his country, rather than videogames, I mean seriously who gives a ####? It's the VG industry people, go where the gameplay is at. I don't own a 360, or a PS3, heck, I almost bought a PS3, but the 360 has had the most entertaining games, and in the entertainment industry I would think that is what matters.

Flip flop all you want, the games, the entertainment is what matters.

[thelastword]

Let me make it clear, I am not forsaking DMC4 because it has gone multiplat, It will be a day one purchase for me as I have detailed before. I am really interested in what DMC4 looks like now though, since last it was shown. I want to see how much Capcom have improved the engine. Saying that Capcom has competition on the PS3 cannot be effin fanboyism, it's just the plain effing truth. The fact is, Capcom decided to use a multiplat engine in tune with their multiplat strategy, it was their decision. There are some high points and there are some low points with such an approach, it's that simple. Personally, I would've prefered a custom PS3 engine for DMC4 and if they wanted, they could simply port it to the 360, but with their current approach we will be denied a game really using the strengths of the PS3, that's the point.


As for this whole petition thing, it is the guys prerogative. Calling them fanboys or what not, does not make us non-fanboys ourselves. Personally, I don't think the petiton is necessary, as Capcom simply chose their bottomline and have simply followed their approach of a multiplatform strategy in this generation. The issues I detailed above however are still sustained.

I think that DMC4 will be just fine though, It's artstytle is amazing as usual, I just hope Capcom really overhauls the engine and don't compromise too much because of the 360. At first they said the engine was not capable of 30fps whilst devving LostPlanet. I just hope too many sacrifices are not made just so the product will look similar across the board. That is the point.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Let me make it clear, I am not forsaking DMC4 because it has gone multiplat, It will be a day one purchase for me as I have detailed before. I am really interested in what DMC4 looks like now though, since last it was shown. I want to see how much Capcom have improved the engine. Saying that Capcom has competition on the PS3 cannot be effin fanboyism, it's just the plain effing truth. The fact is, Capcom decided to use a multiplat engine

Dude you are off on some new sh%t. What the hell is this "Multiplat Engine" you keep rambling on about in each of your posts? I've never heard of such an animal!

And if it exists, why did nobody tell Ubisoft so that they could have utilized it to make GRAW2, SCDA, and R6 for the PS3. Hell last I knew they had to use a PS3 engine which is why none of those games have arrived yet. If a multiplat engine existed i'm sure Bethesda would have used it to get Oblivion out before last week.

I guess a lot of developers have yet to hear about this "multiplat engine" i'm sure Ace Combat 6 would be on PS3, if only the developers knew!

Fact is this is just sour grapes for you. There is no GD multiplat engine lol. If Capcom has one they should license it out quickly, they'd make a fortune. As far as the theory the game will suffer because it is multiplat and cannot take advantage of each console's strength, that is bull dookie. First of all no game for a number of years is going to tax either of these consoles so there is opportunity for Capcom to push both to new heights. Second of all if Capcom makes a bad game it will simply be because of poor skill or lack of effort. Oblivion and the other games I mentioned seemed to have turned out just fine, the only problem is the extra year it seems to take to make a PS3 version. Hopefully the 360 version won't be held back in terms of release date to launch alongside the PS3 version.

Many games right now like Spider-man 3 and the Darkness, both multiplat, will do things specific for each console. In Spiderman3 the PS3 version will allow you to play as the new Goblin(360 will not), it will also have 6 axis support and extra bluray features. Ditto for the Darkness, 6 axis support and bluray features. Someone has already said BO5 will feature 1080p support for PS3, only 720p for 360. We see that Marvel UA has a download pack which features the Hulk and Dr.Doom on LIVE. LIVE just got the expansion for Oblivion. So it all boils down to what the developers are willing to do.

But I believe DMC will be a better game because it is going to be on 360 simply because Capcom knows it must in order to compete for 360 consumers' dollars. Why take a game like that, as opposed to an average title like Armored Core, bring it to 360 only to make a crappy game. I'm sure they want to compete on 360 at the highest level and be mentioned in the same breath as games like Ninja Gaiden and Halo. I don't think Capcom's approach is to come in with this project and low-ball it. If so, then it will fail miserably.

But I know the grapes must taste so sour right now for you and, it appears, others but just keep the faith, in the end, if you really care about the game itself, i'll bet you will be pleased. If you are just gonna piss and moan cause you lost exclusivity then no matter how good the game is you will find a reason to dislike it.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

@Daman: once again, you are off. I am not going to write a paper to make a response. Just read my reponse to DTM and that should cover it. AC6 was another surprise to me. While AC's popularity has gone down quite a bit due to questionable decision on namco's party(US release of AC3 was butchered and AC4 was a diaster), I still prefer it over other flight fighting games/simulation/w.e. I wonder if it's going to be exclusive to 360. Joystiq made it seem like it's going to be. But, gamespot didn't sound so sure. We'll see.

No, you are off. Which why you can't understand why a corporation which is in the business to make a PROFIT will forsake loyalty in the pursuit of those profits! They should be loyal, that's funny and so naive.

You keep saying Capcom is in a rush to make DMC. I don't see the rush. It seems to me they have been pretty patient, they have taken the time hesistate releasing anything big like RE or DMC, meanwhile they've developed new IP for the 360 like LP and DR. And they have managed to do all of this while Sony was waiting to start the next generation. To me if Capcom was rushing we would have seen DMC and/or RE already on the 360. I think Capcom has patiently given Sony the benefit of the doubt, and sat nervously whilst Sony has made every attempt possible to self-destruct. Any further patience and loyalty on their part toward Sony would be mis-management on Capcom's part. They have product, they are losing mind and marketshare to competitors. There are RE-esque clones coming that may/may not be better than RE, ditto for DMC. You think they were happy to see Ninja Gaiden Sigma on PS3, you think they wondered about Sony's loyalty. You think they were happy to see Team Ninja make a boat load of money on XBOX last generation with Ninja Gaiden. Think they were happy to see projects end up like turds on the GCN?

Just think if they had of released DMC year one on the 360, instead of doing DR and LP. It might have done GOW type numbers. Now they have waited, and they gotta face monster games like Mass Effect and Halo3. So loyalty and unwarranted patience is NOT the way to run a business. You should be happy they waited and you will get a PS3 version.

[Glockstar]

Obviously, it's not lost to PS3. But, the whole exclusivity special aura is completely gone. I would think after getting support from fans over the years, at least, Capcom should've given PS3 some exclusive period. Capcom didn't even bother to do that. It's very apparent that Capcom is doing this even out the cost. However, I don't see why Capcom is in such a hurry to release DMC. DMC hasn't even gotten a release date, but release platforms have to be locked first? It seems the whole thing is kinda out of order. It's just somewhat disappointing that Capcom didn't really bother to show some courtesy to Sony or, at least, Capcom fans who own PS2/PS3.

#@$%ing fanboys, man. Straaaaaaaaange people.

[Mochan]

As far as the theory the game will suffer because it is multiplat and cannot take advantage of each console's strength, that is bull dookie. First of all no game for a number of years is going to tax either of these consoles so there is opportunity for Capcom to push both to new heights.


BS? Of course not. There will be compromises. Especially in the case of PS3 and 360 where the PS3 has a radically different architecture, not to mention the difference in storage mediums. To multiplat for the PS3 and vice versa would mean rewriting core code from scratch, you yourself mentioned that Oblivion is taking an extra year to come out on the PS3. Guess why? It's no BS that a game will suffer from the multiplat move; that's time, money and manpower spent just porting that could be spent doing something else.

Take note that this is taking this theory and operating it in a vacuum; i.e. not taking into account that a developer may be putting more budget into something just to compensate to get both versions to the same level.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

Capcom is the overrated muse of the vocal minority. Plain and simple.

[slade]

But I believe DMC will be a better game because it is going to be on 360 simply because Capcom knows it must in order to compete for 360 consumers' dollars.

That's BS. What will help DMC4 sell is that after two years, there is still nothing remotely like it on the 360. Too Human is set to end up like Hunter the Reckoning and Ninja Gaiden 2 has not even entered the development phase yet.

[Gamer From '78]

That's BS. What will help DMC4 sell is that after two years, there is still nothing remotely like it on the 360. Too Human is set to end up like Hunter the Reckoning and Ninja Gaiden 2 has not even entered the development phase yet.

I don't think any sort of "porting" between the systems will benefit the game. But I don't think it will hurt it either. Since Capcom has been working on the PS3 code for some time now, it will be much easier to move that code and make it work correctly on the Xbox 360 than it is going from 360 to PS3. I base this on the shoddy ports that have technical issues moving from 360 to the PS3.

You can't just lay down a blanket statement that there will be nothing remotely like Devil May Cry 4 on the Xbox 360 after two years. Do you know every game coming out on the 360? I don't either. People said the same last gen and Otogi did what Devil May Cry was doing and upped the ante IMO.

And don't be so fast to write Too Human off. The only games from Silicon Knights that I can recall are Legacy of Kain (PSOne), Metal Gear Solid Twin Snakes and Eternal Darkness. All three of those games were solid and fun. Let's wait and see before we judge this title and dismiss it as a "Hunter the Reckoning" clone. :idea:

[ThaMaskedGamer]

That's BS. What will help DMC4 sell is that after two years, there is still nothing remotely like it on the 360. Too Human is set to end up like Hunter the Reckoning and Ninja Gaiden 2 has not even entered the development phase yet.

There will be nothing like DMC on the 360 except DMC! You guys kill me what do you want originality, uniqueness, or continous carbon copies and duplication on each system. It isn't a knock against the 360 that there is nothing like Motorstorm on the 360. If they make Motorstorm for the 360 then there will be something just like it. There was nothing like Oblivion on the PS platforms until they made it. So I don't knock a console for not having a competitors games. What are we arguing about, exclusivity and its benefits. This hurts Sony because they lose exclusivity on this project, this doesn't hurt the PROJECT! It doesn't hurt the game. And you belief that the game will sell well on 360 because there is nothing like it is wrong, there was nothing like FF. There was nothing like Rockstar's Table Tennis. The game will sell well if it a quality project in the eyes of 360 gamers. And I think 360 gamers standards are higher than what is expected on PS3 or PS platforms.

You guys act as if multiplatform and being a good game are mutually exclusive. Or worse you act as if when a game goes multiplatform it magically becomes worse. I don't think Oblivion is worse on the PS3, I haven't played so I cannot personally testify, but it looks like it turned out pretty damned good to me.

The point is plain and simple, DMC will be whatever Capcom decides they want it to be. If they put the time and resources and skill into the game, it will be good on both platforms, if they don't, it won't. Simple as that. You guys are just upset and want to reflect that now by saying the game cannot be as good as it would have been.

Well that is BS because right now I don't see ANY original PS3 games setting the world on fire. Motorstorm is like 83% and RFOM is like 85% or something. Hey maybe you guys are correct, they should have made it exclusive to the 360 because it looks like the PS3 might cause the game to be worse than it would be if it was exclusive. 360 has made AAA games, what about PS3? Hell, F1 is in the mid 70%. What were some of those other awesome PS3 games averaging 54%? Yeah the 360 is really going to hurt what it could have been on PS3, lol. Yeah we all want our console to have unique and exclusive games but Ps3 lost this one, deal with it!

[Glockstar]

You guys act as if multiplatform and being a good game are mutually exclusive. Or worse you act as if when a game goes multiplatform it magically becomes worse. I don't think Oblivion is worse on the PS3, I haven't played so I cannot personally testify, but it looks like it turned out pretty damned good to me.

Thank you.

[Mochan]

You guys act as if multiplatform and being a good game are mutually exclusive. Or worse you act as if when a game goes multiplatform it magically becomes worse. I don't think Oblivion is worse on the PS3, I haven't played so I cannot personally testify, but it looks like it turned out pretty damned good to me.

Oblivion for the PC became worse because it became an Xbox multiplat.

[folken001]

Thank you.
Did you even read the whole thing before you made your comment?

How exactly is it going to be better? Care to explain?

There is a chance of the game being worse than it could be if the multiple ports of game were being developed at the same time.

[folken001]

#@$%ing fanboys, man. Straaaaaaaaange people.
Yeah, you are Mr. Neutral, aren't you? Not?

[Gamer From '78]

There will be nothing like DMC on the 360 except DMC! You guys kill me what do you want originality, uniqueness, or continous carbon copies and duplication on each system. It isn't a knock against the 360 that there is nothing like Motorstorm on the 360. If they make Motorstorm for the 360 then there will be something just like it. There was nothing like Oblivion on the PS platforms until they made it. So I don't knock a console for not having a competitors games. What are we arguing about, exclusivity and its benefits. This hurts Sony because they lose exclusivity on this project, this doesn't hurt the PROJECT! It doesn't hurt the game. And you belief that the game will sell well on 360 because there is nothing like it is wrong, there was nothing like FF. There was nothing like Rockstar's Table Tennis. The game will sell well if it a quality project in the eyes of 360 gamers. And I think 360 gamers standards are higher than what is expected on PS3 or PS platforms.

You guys act as if multiplatform and being a good game are mutually exclusive. Or worse you act as if when a game goes multiplatform it magically becomes worse. I don't think Oblivion is worse on the PS3, I haven't played so I cannot personally testify, but it looks like it turned out pretty damned good to me.

The point is plain and simple, DMC will be whatever Capcom decides they want it to be. If they put the time and resources and skill into the game, it will be good on both platforms, if they don't, it won't. Simple as that. You guys are just upset and want to reflect that now by saying the game cannot be as good as it would have been.

Well that is BS because right now I don't see ANY original PS3 games setting the world on fire. Motorstorm is like 83% and RFOM is like 85% or something. Hey maybe you guys are correct, they should have made it exclusive to the 360 because it looks like the PS3 might cause the game to be worse than it would be if it was exclusive. 360 has made AAA games, what about PS3? Hell, F1 is in the mid 70%. What were some of those other awesome PS3 games averaging 54%? Yeah the 360 is really going to hurt what it could have been on PS3, lol. Yeah we all want our console to have unique and exclusive games but Ps3 lost this one, deal with it!

Sony fanboys think that PS3 games are like Lucky Charms...Magically Delicious! They act like spurned lovers when something goes multiplatform and automatically assume it will suck.

But I can tell you something. The only ported games sucking are those Xbox 360 games that were polished to a spit-shine, then got ported to the PS3 and stutter & play like @$$.

[folken001]

No, you are off. Which why you can't understand why a corporation which is in the business to make a PROFIT will forsake loyalty in the pursuit of those profits! They should be loyal, that's funny and so naive.

My point is that it's not right. What is so hard to understand the concept of them wanting to make money. That logic is so overused. You understand why a corporation wants to make a profit off their products. Wow, you are a genius. You are so smart, you give me headaches.

You keep saying Capcom is in a rush to make DMC. I don't see the rush
It seems to me they have been pretty patient, they have taken the time hesistate releasing anything big like RE or DMC, meanwhile they've developed new IP for the 360 like LP and DR. And they have managed to do all of this while Sony was waiting to start the next generation. To me if Capcom was rushing we would have seen DMC and/or RE already on the 360. I think Capcom has patiently given Sony the benefit of the doubt, and sat nervously whilst Sony has made every attempt possible to self-destruct. Any further patience and loyalty on their part toward Sony would be mis-management on Capcom's part. They have product, they are losing mind and marketshare to competitors. There are RE-esque clones coming that may/may not be better than RE, ditto for DMC. You think they were happy to see Ninja Gaiden Sigma on PS3, you think they wondered about Sony's loyalty. You think they were happy to see Team Ninja make a boat load of money on XBOX last generation with Ninja Gaiden. Think they were happy to see projects end up like turds on the GCN?

I think Capcom is rushing. Unless you can prove that DMC4 was originally intended for Xbox360 as well, it's being rushed. If they weren't rushing and DMC4 was originally intended for PS3, they would very well wait for the userbase for PS3 to grow. On top of that, Capcom could've made DMC4 for PS2 too. PS2 is still going strong today. It has way larger fanbase than 360. If mere 10 million userbase is a incentive, why wouldn't 120 million move Capcom? Why did they have to wait for PS3? It makes no sense. Hence, your whole argument is as broken as the hardware of a 360. Only difference is the red ring of death.

Just think if they had of released DMC year one on the 360, instead of doing DR and LP. It might have done GOW type numbers. Now they have waited, and they gotta face monster games like Mass Effect and Halo3. So loyalty and unwarranted patience is NOT the way to run a business. You should be happy they waited and you will get a PS3 version.

I don't think any of the DMC game had GoW like numbers. I love how now DMC is this huge series when it's now XBox bound. If businesses do not care about loyalty, why is Capcom doing damage control now?

[thechieflives]

Who Cares - Dmc Sux Arse So Does Mgs As Well.
Halo Kicks The **** Out Both Of These Games!

[Cuddly Knife]

Stupid-stupid chief. Halo is average, but DMC is in a world of it's own.

And to add to 78 post, the PS3 might've done well Online with RFoM, but still, ther devs are having some trouble with Online. Virtua Tennis 3 has a great Online portion for the 360, but zilch for the PS3. WTF is the problem?

[slade]

You can't just lay down a blanket statement that there will be nothing remotely like Devil May Cry 4 on the Xbox 360 after two years. Do you know every game coming out on the 360? I don't either. People said the same last gen and Otogi did what Devil May Cry was doing and upped the ante IMO.

Can we agree that Otogi was likely announced maybe six or seven months before it was released? In that case, since I don't see anything on the 360 release lists for the forseeable future that looks anything like DMC except for DMC itself, my statement stands.

There will be nothing like DMC on the 360 except DMC!

Except that I want more then one game in that genre for a system.

Let me put it to you this way. If the 360 only had Halo and no other FPS's and Oblivion and no other RPG, would you be thrilled with the console after you had finished those games. It's the same concept here. DMC4 is the only actual action game of its type on the system. When it's done, the drought of games begins again. Although, I guess it won't end any time soon since I'll get the game on PS3.

Anyway, the multiplat comments don't take into account Capcom's Framework Engine which is the toolset they used to develop games like Dead Rising and Lost Planet. It's the same engine they are using to develop DMC4. They built this engine with multiplat titles in mind. The development is begun on PC's and then midway switched to either console. It allows for easier porting between the consoles and it is a far more efficient way to develop for next gen platforms then creating a separate engine for every game that comes along, something Japanese developers did in the past.

[Mochan]

Just think if they had of released DMC year one on the 360, instead of doing DR and LP. It might have done GOW type numbers. Now they have waited, and they gotta face monster games like Mass Effect and Halo3. So loyalty and unwarranted patience is NOT the way to run a business. You should be happy they waited and you will get a PS3 version.

DMC to do GOW type numbers on the 360? You make me laugh, the XBox fanbase didn't gobble up Ninja Gaiden, and you expect them to eat up DMC? Please.

Like I said before, Ninja Gaiden is a game that would have sold more on the Playstation platforms last gen. It might not have stood out as much but it would have found a better home on the Playstation brand than on the Xbox, as DMC did.

[Gamer From '78]

Can we agree that Otogi was likely announced maybe six or seven months before it was released? In that case, since I don't see anything on the 360 release lists for the forseeable future that looks anything like DMC except for DMC itself, my statement stands.

You see everything in the world as cut & dry, black & white. There is no middle ground. Yes, I can agree that Otogi was announced. But are you ACTUALLY SAYING that no game in the history of gaming has come along that was under the radar and was good? Are you ACTUALLY SAYING that you know every game coming down the pike for the 360? Really? You KNOW FOR A FACT that there is no game similar to Devil May Cry in the works? :aureola:

[Mochan]

I thought Ninja Gaiden was pretty similar, and NG2 is very likely to see a 360 release.

[slade]

You see everything in the world as cut & dry, black & white. There is no middle ground.

Funny, considering that is pretty much how your stance on the system wars looks. What you forget in all your bashing of consoles is that one day, you will own those consoles but until that day, everything is black and white to you.

Yes, I can agree that Otogi was announced. But are you ACTUALLY SAYING that no game in the history of gaming has come along that was under the radar and was good? Are you ACTUALLY SAYING that you know every game coming down the pike for the 360? Really? You KNOW FOR A FACT that there is no game similar to Devil May Cry in the works? :aureola:

I don't profess to know of every single game coming for 360 but I do make it a habit to look out for games in genres I like. I was aware of Bullet Witch long before anybody on this forum had any idea of what the game was and I still know more about it then most of you. It's a 360 game btw. So unless a game flies completely under the radar as in, not getting announced at all, which would be retarded and follow Denis Dyack's method of information release, my argument still stands. For all of 360's time on the market, there are still some huge gaps in genre's I like and MS is not doing much to address those gaps.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Let me put it to you this way. If the 360 only had Halo and no other FPS's and Oblivion and no other RPG, would you be thrilled with the console after you had finished those games. It's the same concept here. DMC4 is the only actual action game of its type on the system. When it's done, the drought of games begins again. Although, I guess it won't end any time soon since I'll get the game on PS3.



Ninja Gaiden 2 has been announced and it has been announced as a 360 exlusive. It is in development by a different team that is being led by itagaki.

Kingdom Under Fire Circle of Doom is a third Person action game that has been annnounced.

Too Human has been announced. We'll reserve comment on quality once there is some major coverage on it. As for Too Human being likened to HTR that's like when Zilla said Dead Rising is GTA with Zombies

Conan a multiplat action game has been revealed as well.


As for multiplats not living up technically to a console perfomance that's B.S. last Gen the best Arcade racers and maybe best Racer period was the Burnout Games did they suffer.

What about Pince of Persia

Splinter Cell Chaos Theory was one of the top 5 best looking games on the Xbox it was multiplat.

The biggest selling franchise of last gen was multiplat GTA

Mercenaries was a great game and it didn't suffer because it was multiplat.

Ghost Recon 2 didn't suffer on the Xbox because the PS2 got a version.

Saying the quality of game will suffer because it's multiplat is internet fanboy drival.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Oblivion for the PC became worse because it became an Xbox multiplat.

I've played every Elder Scrolls game. The leap between Morrowind and its predecessor was staggering, and the leap between Oblivion and Morrowind is even more staggering. And right now Oblivion is arguably the best W-rpg out there.

In the past, I'll give u the stipulated fact that the original Baldur's, Planescape, games where better. But in terms of current w-rpgs nothing is touching Oblivion until Mass Effect comes out, and oh that is only on 360 baby-boy.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Folken, you ask is it right to bring DMC to 360? I say yes it is right. Legally and morally. Obviously they control the rights to the intellectual property, so from a legal stand-point it is right. Morally it is right also. Capcom makes games and they want the most people to play their games. They don't want to entertain just a select group of gamers. If DMC was an arcade game, do you think they would turn away people based on race, gender, or if they owned a PS or XBOX at their home. No, they'd take anyone's quarters. So if they feel they can create the game that they have envisioned on both consoles it is morally right for them to do so. Notice they didn't include the Wii, why not? Because i'm sure they feel they cannot make the game they intend to make based on the Wii's hardware. What you want is immoral. You want Capcom to give Sony a beneficial permanent exclusivity or period of exclusivity for DMC, WITHOUT PAYING NOTHING. Last I looked you don't get something for nothing in this world. If Sony wanted DMC to remain exclusive, then they should have paid for that benefit. The company you need to be mad at is Sony. Not Capcom.

Slade you claim XBOX/360 needs more games of this type. First of all, so does PS3. In fact PS3 needs more games of all types. But 360 is getting the Dynasty Warriors successor from Koei simultaneously now with the PS3. Obviously DMC. Of course another Ninja Gaiden is on the way. DTM and Glock mentioned other games like Conan and Too Human has been mentioned. There is a game called Bullet Witch. Are all of these games the exact same as DMC, no. But it is a new ballgame. You fail to understand that the PS3 is not the PS2. There is no guarantee that the PS3 will now have more of these kinds of games than 360 will.

Look at GTA-esque games. Based on last generation, there will be more GTA clones on PS3 than 360. Except already 360 has Saint's Row, Crackdown, and will be getting GTA. So this generation won't go down like last generation. We have already seen that with Armored Core, Ace Combat. Who saw Deadrising and Lost Planet from Capcom, based on what little support Capcom gave XBOX last generation. Things will be different and the PS3 thus far is not the PS2. It might be better technically, but in terms of game support, it is not going to have the advantage, this time 360 will be more diverse.

[trebor]

This is just a testament to how "loyal" 3rd party devs actually are to platforms they "traditionally" supported with exclusive content.

I.E. - THERE IS NO LOYALTY. This is about money, pure and simple - Sony has created a machine that will make it extremely difficult for 3rd party devs to turn a profit, thus they are covering their own asses. This is also why we will start seeing more and more devs start heavily supporting the Wii.

[Mochan]

Folken, you ask is it right to bring DMC to 360? I say yes it is right. Legally and morally.

WTH TMG are you now the 360 Prophet? Denounce those evildoer milkdrinkers for going against the plan of God!

I mean I agree with your other points but I'm going zonkers over this morality crap here. You say it's immoral to keep your games to a select audience? Well last I checked MS is the one doing its darndest to gobble as many exclusives as it can. It works both ways.

Please leave the morality out of the discussion, it just stinks.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

WTH TMG are you now the 360 Prophet? Denounce those evildoer milkdrinkers for going against the plan of God!

I mean I agree with your other points but I'm going zonkers over this morality crap here. You say it's immoral to keep your games to a select audience? Well last I checked MS is the one doing its darndest to gobble as many exclusives as it can. It works both ways.

Please leave the morality out of the discussion, it just stinks.

No I didn't. Or at least I hope I didn't imply that. He asked was it right. Well right or wrong has two aspects. Law and morality. Of course from a legal view, they have the right to do what they will with their IP. Therefore Folken must be stating it is morally or ethically wrong for them to release the game on a non Playstation platform. I'm saying morally they are just also. Capcom makes games and any entertainment company wants their product to be used by as many people as possible. So absent any compelling reason, they should release the game to as wide an audience as possible.

But Sony and MS obviously want to make their consoles unique by offering exclusive games. We all know the more exclusive game there are the more that adds value to the console. So if Sony or MS wants that additional value from an independent company then they MUST pay for that value or offer some compelling reason for a developer or publisher to keep or make a game exclusive. Sony did NOT want to pay for exclusivity for GTA, Sony did not want to pay for exclusivity for DMC. So how is it morally wrong for Capcom to seek to maximize exposure of their game to consumers of games? The only company that can be seen as disloyal in all of this is Sony. If people who bought PS3 purchased the console because Sony led them to believe the same games that were exclusive on PS2 would be exclusive on PS3, then Sony is to blame for not making it happen.

Personally, I believe Sony has been very disloyal in this aspect. I've said many times before GTA saved PS2, period. Other games like DMC helped a lot too. But Sony said time and again, the next generation starts when we launch. They more than implied they would have games the other consoles would not have and could not have. I've said many times before if Sony's marketing would have been, "wait for the PS3 because we will have the same games or fewer than 360" 5 million more people would have bought 360 the first year. But people waited, they didn't wait for the console alone, they waited for the console and DIFFERENT games, better games, exclusive games. If I'm Konami, i've very happy right now, because the value of MetalGear has SHOT through the roof. They should hold Sony out for a pretty penny to keep the game exclusive.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

This is also why we will start seeing more and more devs start heavily supporting the Wii.

This is what puzzles me about the Wii, I haven't seen it pay yet for any developer yet. The development cost must be next to nil if companies are making money.

[folken001]

Folken, you ask is it right to bring DMC to 360? I say yes it is right. Legally and morally. Obviously they control the rights to the intellectual property, so from a legal stand-point it is right. Morally it is right also. Capcom makes games and they want the most people to play their games. They don't want to entertain just a select group of gamers. If DMC was an arcade game, do you think they would turn away people based on race, gender, or if they owned a PS or XBOX at their home. No, they'd take anyone's quarters. So if they feel they can create the game that they have envisioned on both consoles it is morally right for them to do so. Notice they didn't include the Wii, why not? Because i'm sure they feel they cannot make the game they intend to make based on the Wii's hardware. What you want is immoral. You want Capcom to give Sony a beneficial permanent exclusivity or period of exclusivity for DMC, WITHOUT PAYING NOTHING. Last I looked you don't get something for nothing in this world. If Sony wanted DMC to remain exclusive, then they should have paid for that benefit. The company you need to be mad at is Sony. Not Capcom.

Of course it is right in a legal sense. As long as they don't kill anybody. All the Capcom executives could dance butt naked in their meeting room too. It's right but I wouldn't say it's moral. There is a reason I buy DMC over other games. DMC, of course, is fun in its own sense. But, I also buy it because it's a Capcom product, hence the term brand loyalty. Something you know Sony, Nintendo or any other recognized organization has been riding on for years. I doubt Sony paid Capcom for the exclusivity of the previous two installments, Capcom still gave it to PS2, no? So what'd you say about that?

I am not furiously mad at Capcom per se. But I was disappointed. I don't think I can be mad at Sony either. After all, do you know anyone else in the world that has more money to throw around like M$? If you don't, then what's the point to blame Sony? God damn you Sony for not having 40 billion dollars in the pocket? So Sony can turn around and say damn you consumers for not giving me the monopoly in electronics?

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Of course it is right in a legal sense. As long as they don't kill anybody. All the Capcom executives could dance butt naked in their meeting room too. It's right but I wouldn't say it's moral. There is a reason I buy DMC over other games. DMC, of course, is fun in its own sense. But, I also buy it because it's a Capcom product, hence the term brand loyalty. Something you know Sony, Nintendo or any other recognized organization has been riding on for years. I doubt Sony paid Capcom for the exclusivity of the previous two installments, Capcom still gave it to PS2, no? So what'd you say about that?

I am not furiously mad at Capcom per se. But I was disappointed. I don't think I can be mad at Sony either. After all, do you know anyone else in the world that has more money to throw around like M$? If you don't, then what's the point to blame Sony? God damn you Sony for not having 40 billion dollars in the pocket? So Sony can turn around and say damn you consumers for not giving me the monopoly in electronics?

It must MS' fault that Sony lost exclusivity for DMC. I mean it probably has nothing to do with the fact Sony internally developed an expensive console that costs more than they can sell it for. It has nothing to do with the fact they are losing up to $300 per console. It has nothing to do with the fact they are trying to duplicate LIVE and not really make any revenue from it. I mean it has nothing to do with the fact Sony is blowing their money in other places, that can't be the reason why they can't afford exclusivity.

I agree with you when you say Capcom probably was NOT paid to make previous games exclusive on PS2. They did so because it was in their best interest to do so. The XBOX was an unproven console, in their minds, and the PS2 had a huge lead and huge installed base. They probably did the analysis and decided it was not going to be profitable. Then i'm sure they were kicking themselves when A) Sony paid Rockstar to keep GTA exclusive B) Team Ninja released Ninja Gaiden on XBOX C) Other developers made crazy money off projects like Fable and KOTOR and Jade Empire. And like you said yourself, DMC sold well on PS2, but not GTA well, NOT Halo well.

So now in this generation, what compelling reason is there for Capcom to keep the game exclusive, absent a PAYMENT to do so? None. PS3 doesn't have the installed base, so the game won't be nearly as profitable. They made money on Lost Planet and Dead Rising. 360 consumers are buying more software per console. PS3 cost a fortune in time and money to develop good games, and that costs needs to be spread out. They have absolutely NO reason to keep the game exclusive. You just said you are loyal to Capcom, so they know their fanbase is loyal. Why would they believe their fanbase would revolt for supporting 360?

It is kinda bizarre. Rockstar never feared PS2 fans becoming angry when they supported XBOX and when they announced simultaneous support on next gen systems. Assassin's Creed, Armored Core, hell Capcom a long time ago announced R.E. would go to 360 in this generation, VF5, and plenty others, Ridge Racer didn't even wait!!! But there was NO backlash or minor backlash. What is it about DMC that has caused this relatively huge backlash? Is is something about this game or is it just the cumulative effect of PS3 losing so much exclusivity, is this just that final straw?

[folken001]

It must MS' fault that Sony lost exclusivity for DMC. I mean it probably has nothing to do with the fact Sony internally developed an expensive console that costs more than they can sell it for. It has nothing to do with the fact they are losing up to $300 per console. It has nothing to do with the fact they are trying to duplicate LIVE and not really make any revenue from it. I mean it has nothing to do with the fact Sony is blowing their money in other places, that can't be the reason why they can't afford exclusivity.

I agree with you when you say Capcom probably was NOT paid to make previous games exclusive on PS2. They did so because it was in their best interest to do so. The XBOX was an unproven console, in their minds, and the PS2 had a huge lead and huge installed base. They probably did the analysis and decided it was not going to be profitable. Then i'm sure they were kicking themselves when A) Sony paid Rockstar to keep GTA exclusive B) Team Ninja released Ninja Gaiden on XBOX C) Other developers made crazy money off projects like Fable and KOTOR and Jade Empire. And like you said yourself, DMC sold well on PS2, but not GTA well, NOT Halo well.

So now in this generation, what compelling reason is there for Capcom to keep the game exclusive, absent a PAYMENT to do so? None. PS3 doesn't have the installed base, so the game won't be nearly as profitable. They made money on Lost Planet and Dead Rising. 360 consumers are buying more software per console. PS3 cost a fortune in time and money to develop good games, and that costs needs to be spread out. They have absolutely NO reason to keep the game exclusive. You just said you are loyal to Capcom, so they know their fanbase is loyal. Why would they believe their fanbase would revolt for supporting 360?

It is kinda bizarre. Rockstar never feared PS2 fans becoming angry when they supported XBOX and when they announced simultaneous support on next gen systems. Assassin's Creed, Armored Core, hell Capcom a long time ago announced R.E. would go to 360 in this generation, VF5, and plenty others, Ridge Racer didn't even wait!!! But there was NO backlash or minor backlash. What is it about DMC that has caused this relatively huge backlash? Is is something about this game or is it just the cumulative effect of PS3 losing so much exclusivity, is this just that final straw?
I don't have the time to reply all this right now. I might later. But to say the developmental cost is that high is kinda blah.

% RPGs can go both ways. I would suspect that Pokemon was actually fairly inexpensive to create but Final Fantasy 7 with all the effects and CG cost around 40 million.

http://greggman.com/headlines/2000/2000-11-11g.htm
But, I'll try to make a better reply later. If i remember, that is....

[thelastword]

I've said many times before GTA saved PS2, period.Then you've got one simple question to answer, what in the the blue heavens did GTA save the PS2 from? What was it? impending doom, what the eff was it? the xbox console? the GC? Wha.....ttt...what was it?

[PapaSmurf]

TMG, I have to agree with TLW. What did GTA save the PS2 from? Apparently the game sold around 10-14 million copies. There are 120 million PS2's lurking around.

[slade]

Ninja Gaiden 2 has been announced and it has been announced as a 360 exlusive. It is in development by a different team that is being led by itagaki.

It was announced around Xbox's launch and it was never confirmed to be 360 exclusive. Furthermore, it is still in the conceptual stage of development considering Team Ninja devoted their resources last year to putting out DOAXBV2 and we have not heard one iota of news about the project. Even more, Itagaki was busted for sexual harrassment last year and that had to have delayed the game somewhat.

So, in the end, it's not coming out this year for sure.

Kingdom Under Fire Circle of Doom is a third Person action game that has been annnounced.

Not the same type of game. I know of it and I would pretty much pick this up only if my options were limited.

Too Human has been announced. We'll reserve comment on quality once there is some major coverage on it. As for Too Human being likened to HTR that's like when Zilla said Dead Rising is GTA with Zombies

You're the one that wanted co-op 4 player hack n' slash play. Hunter the Reckoning, it is.

Conan a multiplat action game has been revealed as well.

Conan looks goddamn awful from the screens they released of it. I'm waiting for it since I'm a huge fan of Conan but I'm skeptical of its quality.

Out of the games you listed, one is multiplat, one isn't going to be released any time soon, one has been hyped up by its own creator so much, I doubt it'll live up to the quality and one is not the same type of game as DMC.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

It was announced around Xbox's launch and it was never confirmed to be 360 exclusive. Furthermore, it is still in the conceptual stage of development considering Team Ninja devoted their resources last year to putting out DOAXBV2 and we have not heard one iota of news about the project. Even more, Itagaki was busted for sexual harrassment last year and that had to have delayed the game somewhat.

So, in the end, it's not coming out this year for sure.

Well no one said it was coming out this year. You said it wasn't in development it is. The status of the develoment is unknown you don't know what it is, no one does so please. The only fact is, is the game is in development. Your conjecture on the state of development is irreleveant to the point as for exlusivity

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IGN: Based on our interview from last year, we spoke with you about a particular game and its sequel. We spoke about whether it would be on the Xbox 360 or not. As a follow up question, we'd like to know what console you're bringing Ninja Gaiden 2 to?

Itagaki: Thanks. I said something and then I created all kinds of commotion. People started speculating about the game with all the worst case scenarios.

IGN: We just wanted to follow up from last year in case there was any miscommunication about the future of Ninja Gaiden 2.

Itagaki: I think that what I can say is that I will never betray my Ninja Gaiden fans. That, I can promise.

There was also a video at TGS where itgaki said it was in development for 360 but right now the facts are this it's in development and it's in development on 360. Exlusivity is still up in the air.



Out of the games you listed, one is multiplat, one isn't going to be released any time soon, one has been hyped up by its own creator so much, I doubt it'll live up to the quality and one is not the same type of game as DMC.

You are funny. As if your opinion of a game that isn't released yet matters. I guess in slades world where the quality of medicore selling franchise in a genre that's marginally niche matters.I Mean god you are the captain of the strawman arguments. You said there weren't a certain type of gaming coming to the 360, you were flat out wrong but as usual you try and strawhat the argument bringing up points that really don't directly relate to the statement you made. If you said I prefer the PS3 action games there is nothng anyone can say to that but you specificly said "there weren't any games of this type" on the system or anytime soon.

As for your points against the games.

Too Human is Hunter? Ok whatever we'll wait to more previews of the game come out. In fact go read any of the previews now and see if you believe that.

KUF it's a 3rd person hack and slash action game just like DMC 4 any differences aren't big enough to put the game in a different genre. And the music and art looks better than DMC 4 imo.

Conan you don't have a point here so you use your opinion as a point in a factual debate. Regardless what you think of the quality it's another game you said wasn't coming.

Ninja Gaiden 2 discussed above.


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[Gadfly2317]

Of course it is right in a legal sense. As long as they don't kill anybody. All the Capcom executives could dance butt naked in their meeting room too. It's right but I wouldn't say it's moral.

Moralists are usually the worst sort of hypocrites, and usually the least ethical. Where was your so called moral outrage when Capcom brought over Resident Evil 4 from GC to Ps2, hmm, hypocrite?

And in that case, they'd actually told people RE4 was exclusive, causing a lot of people to buy Gamecube's who might otherwise have just waited to get the game for their Ps2.

Morality has nothing to do with this Devil May Cry game--in war and business there is no morality, only game rules that all parties agree upon; Capcom makes software for lots of different kinds of hardware and Sony doesn't own Capcom, end of story.

[trebor]

This is what puzzles me about the Wii, I haven't seen it pay yet for any developer yet. The development cost must be next to nil if companies are making money.

Compared to the PS3, the development cost for the Wii IS next to nil.

Rayman Raving Rabbids sold very well, considering it was a launch title going up against the Zelda juggernaut. I don't believe it's a coincidence that it also happened to be the highest quality game that Ubisoft has released for the Wii.

All I'm saying is that there is a direct correlation between software quality and software sales, and if developers continue to ignore the former they shouldn't be surprised by the later.

[slade]

Well no one said it was coming out this year. You said it wasn't in development it is. The status of the develoment is unknown you don't know what it is, no one does so please. The only fact is, is the game is in development. Your conjecture on the state of development is irreleveant to the point as for exlusivity

Team Ninja also said that they would develop a set of games for the 360. There was DOA4, DOAXBV2, DOA Code Chronos and then Ninja Gaiden 2. And yes, they did say that each game would come one after the other. So, you're not going to see NG2 for quite a while. Plus, basically, your whole argument here boils down to, 'wait and see.' Wonder where I've heard that before. :D And unlike before where you just wanted to stick your head in the sand and not worry about the politics of the situation, this time it does matter.

And as for exclusivity you said yourself that it is still up in the air. So, that's that as far as NG2 is concerned.

You are funny. As if your opinion of a game that isn't released yet matters.

And your's does? Should it matter to me? You've already proven that all it takes is some gory QTE's and you'll call a game the best thing you've ever played. Your opinion on action games like these is not even worth considering to me.

I guess in slades world where the quality of medicore selling franchise in a genre that's marginally niche matters.I Mean god you are the captain of the strawman arguments. You said there weren't a certain type of gaming coming to the 360, you were flat out wrong

I said that there was no game like DMC4 coming to 360 anytime soon, except for DMC4 itself. You listed a bunch of games that were either multiplat or nothing like DMC. As far as that particular subset of the genre goes, I'm right and you know I'm right. That's why you bust out the silly euphemisms like you did.

As for your points against the games.

Oh goody :rolleyes:, I can hardly wait.

Too Human is Hunter? Ok whatever we'll wait to more previews of the game come out. In fact go read any of the previews now and see if you believe that.

Again, wait and see. You are as clueless about the game as anyone else. How can you profess to know any more about it then I do? In fact, at this point, I know that I know more about this game then you do. I bet you don't even know how the combat is set up for the game. Research this little bit of info first and then get back to me.

KUF it's a 3rd person hack and slash action game just like DMC 4 any differences aren't big enough to put the game in a different genre. And the music and art looks better than DMC 4 imo.

Yeah sure, and Kingdom Hearts 2 is just like DMC4 because you can hack and slash actively. Dude, give it up. You have no clue about the genre from your comments.

Conan you don't have a point here so you use your opinion as a point in a factual debate. Regardless what you think of the quality it's another game you said wasn't coming.

It's multiplat. It's as much a point in PS3's favor as it is 360's. And since you can't really say which version will be better, again you will have to resort to wait and see.

:yawn: while I do that, why don't you go and dig up another list of games. Hint, try putting in Elveon since you seem to think one third person hack n' slash is just like any other.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Team Ninja also said that they would develop a set of games for the 360. There was DOA4, DOAXBV2, DOA Code Chronos and then Ninja Gaiden 2. And yes, they did say that each game would come one after the other. So, you're not going to see NG2 for quite a while. Plus, basically, your whole argument here boils down to, 'wait and see.' Wonder where I've heard that before. :D And unlike before where you just wanted to stick your head in the sand and not worry about the politics of the situation, this time it does matter.

And as for exclusivity you said yourself that it is still up in the air. So, that's that as far as NG2 is concerned.

Wrong the very link I posted Said NG2 will come before Code Chronos. And if you want to play the maybe it will be multiplat game fine. MGS4 and FFXIII will eventually be multiplat.



And your's does? Should it matter to me? You've already proven that all it takes is some gory QTE's and you'll call a game the best thing you've ever played. Your opinion on action games like these is not even worth considering to me.

And millions of gamers agree with my opinon we'll see the numbers DMC4 does with the advantage of being Multiplat. Anyway taste in games wasn't the issue if that was the issue there would have been no need to respond the issue is you made a false comment and I corrected it.



I said that there was no game like DMC4 coming to 360 anytime soon, except for DMC4 itself. You listed a bunch of games that were either multiplat or nothing like DMC. As far as that particular subset of the genre goes, I'm right and you know I'm right. That's why you bust out the silly euphemisms like you did.

Exactly when is DMC coming out. Is there a release date. Too Human and KuF are both coming this year. And they are both 3rd person hack and slash. And to push it further there is already NNN and Dynasty Warriors with the next one coming as well they though aren't exactly the same. Again you are wrong.







Again, wait and see. You are as clueless about the game as anyone else. How can you profess to know any more about it then I do? In fact, at this point, I know that I know more about this game then you do. I bet you don't even know how the combat is set up for the game. Research this little bit of info first and then get back to me.

I know very well that it's dual analoge control similar to what was done in the garbage Jet li PS2 game. Yes there is a multiplayer element and such bottom lime it's a 3rd person action game.



Yeah sure, and Kingdom Hearts 2 is just like DMC4 because you can hack and slash actively. Dude, give it up. You have no clue about the genre from your comments.

No you are too EMO obsesse being teh hardcore action gamorz! To see the inherent similarites in the game. As for Kindom Hearts they are similar but that is an RPG



It's multiplat. It's as much a point in PS3's favor as it is 360's. And since you can't really say which version will be better, again you will have to resort to wait and see.

Again I'm not saying what's better or who has more. I'm simply stating that you made false obnoxious statement and expect it to be taken for truth. Again you are wrong.


:yawn: while I do that, why don't you go and dig up another list of games. Hint, try putting in Elveon since you seem to think one third person hack n' slash is just like any other.

I probably could but my point has been made. You are basically saying that you dictate genre convictions. You don't. DMC is a third person hack and slash action game. That's not disputable now you can take your opinon and make DMC into whatever you want find that's cool. But the bottom line is that there are several other 3rd person hack and slash action games coming to the platform.

[Glockstar]

And if you want to play the maybe it will be multiplat game fine. MGS4 and FFXIII will eventually be multiplat.

Metal Gear Caca? Yes. But probably not for a good 9-months after the PS3 version.

FF XIII? I don't think that one's ever coming over. Doesn't Sony own a good chunk of Square-Enix? Somebody?

[Gamer From '78]

Metal Gear Caca? Yes. But probably not for a good 9-months after the PS3 version.

FF XIII? I don't think that one's ever coming over. Doesn't Sony own a good chunk of Square-Enix? Somebody?

Yes, when Square made the abysmal flop that was known as Final Fantasy-The Spirits Within and lost a big chunk of cash, Sony bought part of the company's stock. Though, I believe it is around the 30% mark.

Coupled with strong sales of Sony systems, it made sense for Squaresoft to stick with them. However, this has not stopped Square-Enix from releasing MANY Final Fantasy remakes on the DS and Final Fantasy XI on the Xbox 360 and PC. And we also have Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles on the Gamecube and the upcoming sequel on the Wii. Dragon Quest games are all moving to Nintendo platforms for the next go-around (no matter how much Slade wants to try and downplay the significance of that!).

Final Fantasy XI didn't do too hot on the 360, mostly because it was a not-so-suped-up port of a PS2 game and the fact that it costs $10 a month over and above any Xbox Live fees.

But considering not only the significant revenue that games on Nintendo systems are bringing in, the move for more and more formerly-PS3 exclusives being released on the 360 and the SUCESS and high sales of Japanese-made games such as Lost Planet, Dead or Alive and Dead Rising on the 360-it would be STUPID for Square not to put their games on the Xbox 360 as well. And we already know the Unreal engine works beautifully on the 360 which is what Square has licensed for upcoming projects. Coupled with ease of development for the 360 platform, the high software attach rate of 360 games and the installed base-to me it's a no-brainer.

[Glockstar]

That's true; I forgot about the Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles'es and Final Fantasy XI. My bad.

[slade]

LOL, now you're just quibbling and arguing semantics. Just because a game is classified a certain way has no bearing on whether its gameplay mechanics are the same as another game that is classified under the same heading. This is very much true for the 3rd person action genre. Plus most people who have actually spent time with games like DMC, Ninja Gaiden, GOW, would balk at having them compared with the Musou genre like Dynasty Warriors and NNN much less games like effing KUF. However, let's bring some more insight into just how little you know:

No you are too EMO obsesse being teh hardcore action gamorz! To see the inherent similarites in the game. As for Kindom Hearts they are similar but that is an RPG

So what if Kingdom Hearts is an RPG, so is KUF. Both games are action RPG's and cannot be compared with a game like DMC. You can see that pretty much in KUF's preview which talks about randomly generated dungeons and 40 different spells and other what not.

As for the whole hardcore gamer thing, that's the viewpoint I approached this argument from in the first place. If you don't even care enough about the genre to place the games in their right classifications, then why exactly are you arguing with me in the first place? Is it because I insulted the wittle Xbox? Did you get your panties in a bunch over that?

Anyway, one more thing and then I'm done here for good because you just seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing:


Exactly when is DMC coming out. Is there a release date. Too Human and KuF are both coming this year.

Again, you have no clue what you are talking about. KUF has a big TBA 2007 next to it over on IGN's release dates. Too Human has a Q3 2007 next to it while DMC4 has a Q4 2007 date as its release. At the moment, all anyone can go on are the developers words that the games will launch this year.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

LOL, now you're just quibbling and arguing semantics. Just because a game is classified a certain way has no bearing on whether its gameplay mechanics are the same as another game that is classified under the same heading. This is very much true for the 3rd person action genre. Plus most people who have actually spent time with games like DMC, Ninja Gaiden, GOW, would balk at having them compared with the Musou genre like Dynasty Warriors and NNN much less games like effing KUF. However, let's bring some more insight into just how little you know:


Yak Yak Yak Dude first off I know that DW and NNN are different style I was making a point that you could actually relate them. KUF Circle of Doom is not like the previous KuF games. This is a new 3rd person action game. There isn't the mass armies fighting each other here.


So what if Kingdom Hearts is an RPG, so is KUF. Both games are action RPG's and cannot be compared with a game like DMC. You can see that pretty much in KUF's preview which talks about randomly generated dungeons and 40 different spells and other what not.

I'm not even trying to convince you. If you look at the videos you will see it's the same hack and slash combofied gameplay. The RPG elements come in as far as leveling up your character no different than using orbs buying new skill in damn near every action game on the market.


As for the whole hardcore gamer thing, that's the viewpoint I approached this argument from in the first place. If you don't even care enough about the genre to place the games in their right classifications, then why exactly are you arguing with me in the first place? Is it because I insulted the wittle Xbox? Did you get your panties in a bunch over that?

The point is you made a blanket statement that is patently false. That's it.

Anyway, one more thing and then I'm done here for good because you just seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing:



Again, you have no clue what you are talking about. KUF has a big TBA 2007 next to it over on IGN's release dates. Too Human has a Q3 2007 next to it while DMC4 has a Q4 2007 date as its release. At the moment, all anyone can go on are the developers words that the games will launch this year.

So you said no games like this anytime soon the devs say the games will all be out relatively the same time your point is?

[NEO-360]

Moralists are usually the worst sort of hypocrites, and usually the least ethical. Where was your so called moral outrage when Capcom brought over Resident Evil 4 from GC to Ps2, hmm, hypocrite?

And in that case, they'd actually told people RE4 was exclusive, causing a lot of people to buy Gamecube's who might otherwise have just waited to get the game for their Ps2.

Morality has nothing to do with this Devil May Cry game--in war and business there is no morality, only game rules that all parties agree upon; Capcom makes software for lots of different kinds of hardware and Sony doesn't own Capcom, end of story.

Well said.:cool:

[Superjoint Ritual]

At least Capcom has decided that betrayal is multi-platform as well.;)

[Dancer O_o]

I was just sitting here reading the PSM unofficial and it has a long winded read about this and that and the other on the game in question. They said in the read that you can tell it's a super AAA title in the making and blab, blah, blah...and that the anti-hero is more blah and so on. If this guy is so freaking bad how come he hasn't the slightest clue as to how to hold a gun? Sorry but gangster styled shooting by sideways holding the pistols is like showing a carpenter beat and screw in with a hammer...it's just wrong on so many levels as to be embarassing. And what's with white hair, these guys fight it out in a bleach factory or something?

These games may be great and all but when you make so many obvious real world mistakes with weapons handling and fashion sense there's clearly something wrong...oh, and there seems to be an awful lot of posing in this game "strike a pose! I'm bad!", come on.

Heh, they also mentioned in one tiny itty bitty sentence how it is being created also for the PC and 360 to their growing frustration...and that leads me to another point, the freaking Turok game is also in parallel development with 360 versions that are further along than the PS3 version, talk about pissed off, I was counting on that game to make the clear distinction between what's possible on the PS3 that may not be so on 360...apparently the 360 motto is "anything you can do I can do better!", sounds like a song, and Sony must be tired of the music. I was also getting pretty excited for the new Spiderman game coming and the PS3 version is looking pretty nice, but then, I see the build for the Wii version that looks visually very good and has some damned interesting ideas for the Wii-based control scheme. Most reviewers have already played a build of the beta and were impressed, so I guess it'll be yet another Wii buy and Playstation ignore like Sonic was. Godfather...same story.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

I was just sitting here reading the PSM unofficial and it has a long winded read about this and that and the other on the game in question. They said in the read that you can tell it's a super AAA title in the making and blab, blah, blah...and that the anti-hero is more blah and so on. If this guy is so freaking bad how come he hasn't the slightest clue as to how to hold a gun? Sorry but gangster styled shooting by sideways holding the pistols is like showing a carpenter beat and screw in with a hammer...it's just wrong on so many levels as to be embarassing. And what's with white hair, these guys fight it out in a bleach factory or something?

These games may be great and all but when you make so many obvious real world mistakes with weapons handling and fashion sense there's clearly something wrong...oh, and there seems to be an awful lot of posing in this game "strike a pose! I'm bad!", come on.



God you are so right. Seriously Dante has got to be the corniest character in gaming. He's some warped Japanese interpertation of American cool. Seriously the "Let's Rock!" and "I live for this!" shouts of enthusiasm just completely take me out the game. Maybe Nero is better but young Dante (DMC 3) was horrible. Now Kratos yeah he's cool!

[Mochan]

I don't care much for either Kratos or Dante but I wouldn't be worried about real world mechanics in a game like Devil May Cry. Real world style... well I won't comment on that.

[Gamer From '78]

God you are so right. Seriously Dante has got to be the corniest character in gaming. He's some warped Japanese interpertation of American cool. Seriously the "Let's Rock!" and "I live for this!" shouts of enthusiasm just completely take me out the game. Maybe Nero is better but young Dante (DMC 3) was horrible. Now Kratos yeah he's cool!

Don't forget the pizza scene where the monster stomps his pizza. :rolleyes:

And who can forget dialogue like "Did you lose a mother and a brother to evil blah, blah, blah? Are you the son of the legendary Sparta?" PUHleeze!

The reason you find Kratos more palatteable is because that game was developed in Santa Monica, CA. Sony Computer Entertainment America. That's why the dialogue is more realistic

So much rediculousness stems from Japanese misunderstandings about other cultures. More examples?

The main protagonist in Lost Planet. A Japanese fellow named "Wayne." Why? As in John Wayne?

How about what people seem to miss in the whole Resident Evil universe. It takes place in "a small midwestern town of racoon city." A small town. Ok, got it. So why in the hell do they have not one, but TWO elite special forces teams??? Last time I checked, podunk towns have one, maybe two sheriff's cars!

And what about Hideo Kojima who has totally gone off the deep end? As if the screwball VR plot of MGS2 wasn't enough, Snake Eater has you launching rockets at "the Boss" who is just a chick. A guy who commands bees? With every installment, MGS has gotten fruitier. How about the fat dude on rollerblades planting bombs? Psycho Mantis? And now we have biomechanical Metal Gear units with bleeding legs??? And they scream and whine??? And now we have a little robot buddie that Otacon talks through that rolls around and flaps and makes stupid gestures???

Splinter Cell games 1-uped Metal Gear games in graphics, storyline and controls. I can't wait to see the 360 exclusive Splinter Cell 5 take on the (maybe) exclusive MGS4.

[Cuddly Knife]

Kratos is a whiny b!tch. All you ever hear come out of his mouth is ZEUS!, ATHENA!, ZEUS!, ARES!, ZEUS! I'm the God of War! RAAAARRRR! I would rather have Dante's cheesy cool than the EMO stylings of Kratos.

Sure, he's ruthless, but I can't picture Kratos shoving his fist through a sword to get at his enemy.

I really prefer the silent murder of Hyabusa.

[Cuddly Knife]

Don't forget the pizza scene where the monster stomps his pizza. :rolleyes:
I thought that was funny, and then he ranks everyone in the room+.



And what about Hideo Kojima who has totally gone off the deep end? As if the screwball VR plot of MGS2 wasn't enough, Snake Eater has you launching rockets at "the Boss" who is just a chick. A guy who commands bees? With every installment, MGS has gotten fruitier. How about the fat dude on rollerblades planting bombs? Psycho Mantis? And now we have biomechanical Metal Gear units with bleeding legs??? And they scream and whine???
In MGS defense, Psycho Mantic was in the first MGS, so it couldn't have gotten fruitier when it was the first game, right? That's what those groups are, though, and that's a bunch of freaks. They're even called so in the game by various characters.


Splinter Cell games 1-uped Metal Gear games in graphics, storyline and controls. I can't wait to see the 360 exclusive Splinter Cell 5 take on the (maybe) exclusive MGS4.
I love the MGS series for it's far out take on sneaking, and I love Splinter Cell games for their realistic take on sneaking.

[Gamer From '78]

Kratos is a whiny b!tch. All you ever hear come out of his mouth is ZEUS!, ATHENA!, ZEUS!, ARES!, ZEUS! I'm the God of War! RAAAARRRR! I would rather have Dante's cheesy cool than the EMO stylings of Kratos.

Sure, he's ruthless, but I can't picture Kratos shoving his fist through a sword to get at his enemy.

I really prefer the silent murder of Hyabusa.

LOL! True, true...but at least Kratos doesn't hold his blades "gangsta style" and tell his women that "the bathroom's in the back." :thumbsup:

[Cuddly Knife]

:D

And I wasn't aware that there was a "gangsta" way to hold swords. I thought that was strictly a gun affair?

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

I think the problem with Dante is that the gameplay and combat style is so over the top. That they try and infuse that into his character. He shouldn't talk if he was mute ala Afro Samurai he would be a helluva lot better as a character. But got I cringe at his dialogue.

P.S. I know Afro Samurai isn't mute but he doesn't speak much.

[Gamer From '78]

:D

And I wasn't aware that there was a "gangsta" way to hold swords. I thought that was strictly a gun affair?

Well, "gansta's" point there finger cocked to the side just like they shoot so why not with a knife?

BTW...I had this great idea to help America out! The government should round up all the gangsters and teach them how to PROPERLY shoot. That way, they can kill each other more effectively! Great idea, isn't it? :thumbsup:

[slade]

If this guy is so freaking bad how come he hasn't the slightest clue as to how to hold a gun?

You get infinite ammo for the guns. So, since you never need to worry about reloading and what not, you can shoot willy nilly all you want. And if you're doing that then why not look stylish. This isn't some tactical simulator, after all.

And yeah, I'd take Dante over wimpy Kratos. I mean the first scene you see in God of War is Kratos trying to kill himself because he couldn't handle a few dreams. And then it's all a slippery downhill slope of wimpiness. I mean c'mon, begging for help because he was getting his ass kicked by a barbarian. He let himself be used and that's a continual theme in both GOW games. If that's what you guys think is badass, then you can keep him.

[ilnadmy]

I see there has been a raging Dante vs. Kratos discussion on this thread that I have been ignoring. Very well, then.

If you think that Kratos is wimpy, well then I don't know what to tell you. He kills the freaking God of War, he stabs minotaurs in the throat and rips the heads off medusas, he makes it through Pandora's temple and pulls his ass out of Hades, and why? For vengeance. He's on a pure revenge mission: to kill the guy who ****ed him over, and he won't let a few evil, giant, man-eating monstrosities from the deep slow him down.

As far as storyline, at least GOW HAD a good storyline. With DMC1 and DMC3 (this one not the whole way through though I have to admit) I never felt like there was any semblance of an interesting storyline. Ooh, there's a bad guy who wants to bring monsters back from hell and I have to stop him. Ooh, there's a damsel in distress and I have to save her. Grow up and get a real story.

[Gadfly2317]

I see there has been a raging Dante vs. Kratos discussion on this thread that I have been ignoring. Very well, then.

If you think that Kratos is wimpy, well then I don't know what to tell you. He kills the freaking God of War, he stabs minotaurs in the throat and rips the heads off medusas, he makes it through Pandora's temple and pulls his ass out of Hades, and why? For vengeance. He's on a pure revenge mission: to kill the guy who f***ed him over, and he won't let a few evil, giant, man-eating monstrosities from the deep slow him down.

As far as storyline, at least GOW HAD a good storyline. With DMC1 and DMC3 (this one not the whole way through though I have to admit) I never felt like there was any semblance of an interesting storyline. Ooh, there's a bad guy who wants to bring monsters back from hell and I have to stop him. Ooh, there's a damsel in distress and I have to save her. Grow up and get a real story.

Great post. BTW, I never knew the Dante story was basically the same old "Mario saves the princess" structure.

I like Ninja gaiden better as far as gameplay, but I don't see how anyone can fault the GOW story. I realize in games, story's are there as a pretext for the gameplay, but its nice when a game can succesfully integrate both.

[slade]

Congratulations on having no clue about the DMC story. If you think it's the same old saving the princess story, then I have no idea what to tell you. Ignorance like that is hard to correct.

Kratos's actions do not excuse the fact that he is a tool and a pawn for others. In his quest for vengence, he lets himself be used. In fact, in GOW2, he's more antagonist then protagonist.

I realize in games, story's are there as a pretext for the gameplay, but its nice when a game can succesfully integrate both.

Have you even played God of War 2 yet? I don't think you've even played DMC1 or 3.

As for successfully integrating story, DMC3 did it a lot better then either GOW games.

[Gadfly2317]

Congratulations on having no clue about the DMC story. If you think it's the same old saving the princess story, then I have no idea what to tell you. Ignorance like that is hard to correct.

Kratos's actions do not excuse the fact that he is a tool and a pawn for others. In his quest for vengence, he lets himself be used. In fact, in GOW2, he's more antagonist then protagonist.



Have you even played God of War 2 yet? I don't think you've even played DMC1 or 3.

As for successfully integrating story, DMC3 did it a lot better then either GOW games.

I was just going by what Ilnadmy said, and obviously the "save the princess" thing was an absurdist reduction. I've never played DMC, and I haven't done GoW2 yet. I still haven't decided if I'm going to bother. I liked the first one a lot, but I'm kinda wanting to just finish up the Ps2 games I've got and then get a 360 or Ps3. I'm pretty done buying this-gen titles for now, and have been cutting back on handheld titles too.

[ilnadmy]

To be honest if I still had a PS2 I'd be buying last-gen games still. FFXII, GOW2, Rogue Galaxy, and Okami are only a few of the games I have yet to play. I tried fiddling around with a PS2 emulator but those things are really unstable. I have a GameCube and Xbox still, but I'm pretty much done with those (although I have yet to finish Eternal Darkness, Metroid Prime, and Resident Evil on the Cube, and haven't played Resident Evil 4 yet). To be honest there's a lot of gaming left in the last-gen, and there's no real reason to get a next-gen console until maybe 2008.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Kratos will Kick your A$$ and bang your girl.

Dante will spin his guns around and scream out "let's rock!"

Kratos is a man among Gods!

Dante is bleach blond surfer dude!

As for the story is you think all that nonsense of Spardas sons and brothers and whatever (I never finished any of the games) is better than God of War story well there is no accounting for taste.