Comparing the Launch Windows

[Glockstar]

Microsoft said the 360's "Launch Window" ran thru the end of February 2006. Some people here however will tell you that it ran thru whenever Oblivion came out. Like the launch window was a roving, moving target. :rolleyes: Well, whatever; let's play it the stupid way and say that the next-gen systems comparative launch windows run thru Oblivion's release date. It's okay, because this actually works, seeing as how the release date for the PS3 version of Oblivion is the exact same as it was for the 360.

So yesterday was the day. March 20th it is. That's the cutoff date for this little comparison.

And with that, let's go to the numbers...

Wii
- 39 Retail Titles
- 13 Exclusives (Wii Sports; Excite Truck; Red Steel; GT Pro Series; Super Monkeyball: Banana Blitz; Super Swing Golf; Elebits; Metal Slug Anthology; WarioWare: Smooth Moves; Wii Play; Sonic and the Secret Wings; SSX Blur; and Kororinpa)
- 1 AAA Title (Zelda:TP)
- 56 Virtual Console games


PS3
- 30 R.Titles
- 7 Exclusives/Timed Exclusives (Resistance:Fall Of Man; Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom; Genji; Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire; Virtua Fighter 5; Formula 1 Championship Edition; and Motorstorm)
- 1 AAA Title (Assuming Oblivion/PS3 scores just as well as it did for the PC and 360)
- 7 Playstation Network games


360
- 26 R.Titles
- 7 Exclusives/Timed Exclusives (Kameo; Project Gotham Racing 3; Perfect Dark Zero; Condemned Criminal Origins; Dead Or Alive 4; Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter; and The Outfit)
- 3 AAA Titles (Call of Duty 2; GRAW; Oblivion)
- 16 Xbox Live Arcade games

[Glockstar]

The Wii Launch Window Library:

Retail Titles
1. Excite Truck
2. Trauma Center: Second Opinion
3. Super Monkeyball: Banana Blitz
4. Rampage: Total Destruction
5. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
6. Red Steel
7. Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam
8. GT Pro Series
9. Call of Duty 3
10. Rayman Raving Rabbids
11. Wii Sports
12. Madden 07
13. The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy
14. Monster 4X4: World Circuit
15. Marvel Ultimate Alliance
16. Need For Speed: Carbon
17. Cars
18. Happy Feet
19. Dragon Ball Z: Budokai T
20. Avatar: The Last Airbender

21. Rapala Tournament Fishing
22. Splinter Cell: Double Agent
23. Open Season
24. Barnyard
25. The Ant Bully
26. Ice Age 2: The Meltdown
27. Super Swing Golf
28. Elebits
29. World Series of Poker
30. FarCry Vengeance
31. Metal Slug Anthology

32. WarioWare: Smooth Moves
33. Wii Play
34. Sonic and the Secret Rings
35. SSX Blur
36. Tiger Woods 07
37. TMNT
38. Kororinpa: Marble Mania
39. The Godfather: Blackhand Edition


Virtual Console games
Altered Beast
F-Zero
Sonic the Hedgehog
Super Mario 64
Donkey Kong
Mario Bros.
The Legend of Zelda
Pinball
SimCity
Soccer
Solomon's Key
Golden Ax
Bomberman '93
Bonk's Adventure
Ice Hockey
Columns
Space Harrier II
Tennis
Alien Crush
Gunstar Heroes
Donkey Kong Jr.
Super Star Soldier
Super Mario Bros.
Baseball
Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine
Urban Champion
Wario's Woods
Super Castlevania IV
Moto Roader
Gradius
Street Fighter II: The World Warrior
ToeJam & Earl
R-Type
R-Type III
MarioKart 64
Comix Zone
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Contra III: The Alien Wars
Super Mario World
Ecco the Dolphin
Soldier Blade
Vigilante
Kid Icarus
Ice Climber
Kirby's Adventure
Street's of Rage
Xevious
Donkey Kong Country
Military Madness
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Ristar
Sword of Vermilion
Tecmo Bowl
Sonic Spinball
Elevator Action
Splatterhouse

[Glockstar]

The PS3 Launch Window Library:

Retail Titles
1. Tony Hawk's Project 8
2. Genji
3. Call of Duty 3
4. Resistance: Fall of Man
5. NBA 07
6. NHL 2K7
7. Tiger Woods 07
8. Madden 07
9. NBA 2K7
10. Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire
11. Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom
12. Ridge Racer 7
13. Marvel Ultimate Alliance
14. Need For Speed: Carbon

15. Fight Night Round 3
16. Full Auto 2: Battlelines
17. Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII
18. Sonic the Hedgehog
19. Virtua Fighter 5
20. Formula 1 Championship Edition
21. Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection
22. Major League Baseball 2K7
23. Motorstorm
24. NBA Street Homecourt
25. Def Jam: Icon
26. College Hoops 2K7
27. The Godfather: The Don's Edition
28. Armored Core 4
29. Virtua Tennis 3
30. ES IV: Oblivion


Playstation Network games
1. Blast Factor
2. Cash Guns Chaos
3. Gripshift
4. Lemmings
5. flOw
6. Q-Bert
7. Go! Sudoku

[Glockstar]

The 360 Launch Window Library:

Retail Titles
1. Kameo
2. PGR3
3. Perfect Dark Zero
4. Amped 3
5. Call of Duty 2
6. Condemned
7. Quake 4
8. Ridge Racer 6
9. Gun
10. Tony Hawk's American Wasteland
11. NBA 2K6
12. NBA Live '06
13. Madden '06
14. NHL '06
15. FIFA '06
16. NFS: Most Wanted
17. Tiger Woods '06
18. King Kong

19. Dead Or Alive 4

20. Full Auto
21. Fight Night Round 3
22. Burnout Revenge
23. College Hoops 2K6
24. Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter
25. The Outfit
26. ES IV: Oblivion


Xbox Live Arcade games
1. Hexic HD
2. Joust
3. Geometry Wars Retro Evolved
4. Gauntlet
5. Bejeweled 2
6. Zuma Deluxe
7. Bankshot Billiards
8. Mutant Storm Reloaded
9. Outpost Kaloki X
10. Robotron 2084
11. Hardwood Hearts
12. Hardwood Spades
13. Hardwood Backgammon
14. Wik
15. Marble Blast Ultra
16. Crystal Quest

[ilnadmy]

To be honest I don't really care about the majority of these titles. I don't buy consoles within the first year anyway so it makes no difference to me. The most important things to look at, as far as I'm concerned, are the make-or-break exclusives, which usually come out a year or two in the console's cycle.

Not to diminish the value of your thread, it's just not very important to me.

[slade]

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Tekken 5 belongs in the PSN games.

[Glockstar]

No kidding? Wow.

[Glockstar]

And double wow... because when I first saw that you made a reply I was sure that it was to gloat. Gloat about being right - about the PS3 ending up with more games than the 360. :blush2:

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

PGR3 was a Triple AAA title a double AA title at least.

[Mochan]

Oblivion PS3 isn't likely to be scoring good, games that are re-released at a later time (like a year later) for another system usually do not score as well as they did the first time around, especially for big high profile hyped games like Oblivion -- these games get high scores due to the hype and when re-released reviewers often do not look at them kindly, for various reasons but the time factor is one of them -- it's just not fresh anymore and the hype has been deflated.

Also, isn't the reason people extend the launch window to Oblivion's release because they want to be able to claim that 360 had that majorly awesome game in its launch window? Fudging things in this manner I rather see the PS3's launch window include at least either Lair or Heavenly Sword.

I'd also like to point out that GRAW is not an exclusive. And why isn't Gundam Musou included in the PS3 lineup?

[Glockstar]

Also, isn't the reason people extend the launch window to Oblivion's release because they want to be able to claim that 360 had that majorly awesome game in its launch window? Fudging things in this manner I rather see the PS3's launch window include at least either Lair or Heavenly Sword.

Yeah, okay, let's extend the PS3s Launch Window to 9 months. LOL

But hey, it's up to slade - if that's what he wants to do... Afterall, he's the one who corrected MS and told them, and everybody, when their LW ended.


And why isn't Gundam Musou included in the PS3 lineup?

Say huh?

[Gadfly2317]

Yeah, okay, let's extend the PS3s Launch Window to 9 months. LOL


Lair and Heavenly Sword are due in August? I thought they got bumped to 08?

[ilnadmy]

I propose we extend the PS3's launch window up to the week before the release of the PS4. See, Microsoft? TWO can play your game! HAH!

[Mochan]

Say huh?


Say huh? It's a game that came out in your launch window.



So Lair and HS are due out next year? Let's have a year long launch window then, hoho hohohoho

[Gamer From '78]

Say huh? It's a game that came out in your launch window.



So Lair and HS are due out next year? Let's have a year long launch window then, hoho hohohoho

Gundam Goo-Goo-Gai-Pan or whatever isn't a US title. So hence, it doesn't count. If you want to count Gundam, we can take the Launch title Crossfire which currently holds a record-breaking 37.4% average. LMAO!

[Gamer From '78]

Oblivion PS3 isn't likely to be scoring good, games that are re-released at a later time (like a year later) for another system usually do not score as well as they did the first time around, especially for big high profile hyped games like Oblivion -- these games get high scores due to the hype and when re-released reviewers often do not look at them kindly, for various reasons but the time factor is one of them -- it's just not fresh anymore and the hype has been deflated.

Also, isn't the reason people extend the launch window to Oblivion's release because they want to be able to claim that 360 had that majorly awesome game in its launch window? Fudging things in this manner I rather see the PS3's launch window include at least either Lair or Heavenly Sword.

I'd also like to point out that GRAW is not an exclusive. And why isn't Gundam Musou included in the PS3 lineup?

First, GRAW IS an exclusive as it appears on NO OTHER CONSOLE NEXT GEN CONSOLE. But hey, if you want to include the horendous PS2 version, that's fine by me.

Second, a quick glance at Gamerankings reveals that PS3's "heavy hitters" Motorstorm and Resistance continue their downhill slide in the rankings. Currently residing at 83.4% and 88.2% respectively.

Let's see, take this, add it to that, mulitply by this and the average review score of PS3 games=poop! Haw-haw-haw!!!

[ilnadmy]

Gundam Goo-Goo-Gai-Pan or whatever isn't a US title. So hence, it doesn't count. If you want to count Gundam, we can take the Launch title Crossfire which currently holds a record-breaking 37.4% average. LMAO!
Would you like some Freedom Fries with that?

Oh, and I'm playing GRAW on my PC. With better graphics than the 360. And free online play.

[PapaSmurf]

Would you like some Freedom Fries with that?

Oh, and I'm playing GRAW on my PC. With better graphics than the 360. And free online play.

You're playing GRAW on your PC too? With better graphics at that? Wow!

[Gamer From '78]

Would you like some Freedom Fries with that?

Oh, and I'm playing GRAW on my PC. With better graphics than the 360. And free online play.

Dude....you took my comment about Gundam the wrong way. I meant the game doesn't have a US release, hence the reason Glock didn't count it in his games list. It's not some anti-Japanese sentiment.

I'm happy you are playing GRAW on your PC, free online, etc. That's great. But in the context of this thread, Glockstar was listing "launch window" titles. GRAW for the PC certainly doesn't fit into that category. :thumbsup:

[PapaSmurf]

Dude....you took my comment about Gundam the wrong way. I meant the game doesn't have a US release, hence the reason Glock didn't count it in his games list. It's not some anti-Japanese sentiment.

I'm happy you are playing GRAW on your PC, free online, etc. That's great. But in the context of this thread, Glockstar was listing "launch window" titles. GRAW for the PC certainly doesn't fit into that category. :thumbsup:

Well if we want to talk about launch games for the PC...pretty much impossible.

[ilnadmy]

Well you've got Super Strip Poker. That came out a long time ago I believe.

[Mochan]

Well if we want to talk about launch games for the PC...pretty much impossible.

No, launch games on the PC are everywhere. When the 8800GTX launched, R6 Vegas was a launch game. Crysis will yet be in its launch window. When the 7800GTX launched GRAW was a launch window game. You name any game on the PC, you can make it into a launch game.



Gundam Goo-Goo-Gai-Pan or whatever isn't a US title. So hence, it doesn't count.

M*****F****** Arrogant Americans.

[Fivespot]

M*****F****** Arrogant Americans.

Hey now, that was below the line. Don't you have arrogance where you come from? Way to stereotype an entire country and all it's people based on one stupid comment by one single person.

[slade]

You can import Gundam Musou and play it on your N. American PS3. Good luck on understanding the story bits though.

[Mochan]

My bad I should edit the post to remove the "s" then.

[Gadfly2317]

Hey now, that was below the line. Don't you have arrogance where you come from? Way to stereotype an entire country and all it's people based on one stupid comment by one single person.

I don't know, I thought the "stupid" comment "Gundam goo goo gai pan" was pretty funny.

As far as the stereotype, it obviously doesn't apply to all indivduals, but it's a pretty widely known stereotype and true. Americans traveling abroad are notriously known as the most rude and arrogant tourists, and as an American living in America, it also seems true that American arrogance is especially obnoxious because it is a self-entitled ignorant arrogance.

I'm all for arrogance if you've earned it. But people who know the names of every contestant in American idol but don't even know the approximate troop and civilian death count in Iraq, and they still act like arrogant self-important twits. . . that to me is the very picture of the ugly, ignorant, arrogant American.

[Fivespot]

Thank you Mochan.

[Gamer From '78]

No, launch games on the PC are everywhere. When the 8800GTX launched, R6 Vegas was a launch game. Crysis will yet be in its launch window. When the 7800GTX launched GRAW was a launch window game. You name any game on the PC, you can make it into a launch game.

M*****F****** Arrogant Americans.

Again, another person took the comment the wrong way. I was simply stating that the game is a non-NTSC release. Comprehend?

And again, when I called it moo-goo-gai-pan I was making a JOKE. You know? A FUNNY? Sorry you took it the wrong way. While I never enjoyed Gundam, I have always been a HUGE fan of Yamato, Evangelion, Serial Experiments: Lain and too many other anime to count. And I do love me some Japanese games like the Capcom and Konami stuff. So don't even try the "arrogant american" crap.

BTW...I think G.W. Bush licks balls.

[slade]

Again, another person took the comment the wrong way. I was simply stating that the game is a non-NTSC release. Comprehend?

You're still trapped in your old world of region releases. Buy a PS3, it'll open up your horizons.

[Mochan]

Again, another person took the comment the wrong way. I was simply stating that the game is a non-NTSC release. Comprehend?

Well my apologies if I took the comment the wrong way, but you're actually incorrect: Gundam Musou comes in NTSC.


So don't even try the "arrogant american" crap.

You'll have to sue me for thinking so when you make fun of Gundam AND go on saying that "it's not a US title so it doesn't count." It's good that you clarified but I'm sure you can see where I'm coming from based on the statements you made. Personally I'm not a big Gundam fan either (the only Gundam I really enjoyed was G Gundam, and also Gundam Seed) but the way your statements came across could easily be construed as "only Americans count I don't care about the numbers in other parts of the world."


BTW Fiveski I hope you didn't take my last post as a sarcastic comment, like Gaddie said I did not mean to generalize with that comment.

[Glockstar]

Sorry, I missed Mochan's comment about GRAW.

GRAW is a 360 exclusive, Mochan. GameRankings and your very own comments say so.

First off, there is no way in hail you can say the 360 version is the same as the other versions when there is such a discrepancy in scores. The 360 version has a GR of 90%. Other versions, like the PS2 and Xbox versions, score no better than 64%. Even the PC version only scores an 80%.(!)

And second, I do believe that you're the one who came on here citing how different - and better :rolleyes: - the PC version was as compared to the 360 version. So I know you're not making that claim now.

The games are the same in name only. But make no mistake about it, the 360 experience is an exclusive one.

[PapaSmurf]

And second, I do believe that you're the one who came on here citing how different - and better :rolleyes: - the PC version was as compared to the 360 version. So I know you're not making that claim now.

Actually that was me that said that after extensive time with both versions.

[Glockstar]

No. You may have said as much in this thread, but Mochan created a whole thread on the subject a little while back, back when he was into trolling the forums and trying to provoke the xbots.

[Gamer From '78]

You're still trapped in your old world of region releases. Buy a PS3, it'll open up your horizons.

Why? So I can play crappy non-English games as well as the crappy English games on the PS3? No thank you. Once something comes out worthwhile, the PS3 will join the PS2 and PSP I already own (Oh, and an old Playstation).

Currently, I see the PS3 lineup as being equal to a fudge dragon or mud monkey (watch Southpark...you'll get it).

[folken001]

Why? So I can play crappy non-English games as well as the crappy English games on the PS3? No thank you. Once something comes out worthwhile, the PS3 will join the PS2 and PSP I already own (Oh, and an old Playstation).

Currently, I see the PS3 lineup as being equal to a fudge dragon or mud monkey (watch Southpark...you'll get it).

Neither Sony nor the World is trying to convince you to get a PS3. You don't have to say the same old things over and over. You don't want a PS3 right now. We get it. You will get it when it has more games. Yes, again, we get it. You really love Xbox360. We have that carved on our hemispheres. (both of them, left and right). Money isn't an issue to you but PS3 is just outrageously expensive. Again, I hate to say it, we can't get anymore of it, AGAIN.

Seriously, attention whore, why don't you share other things you aren't content with in your life and repeat them 10000 times. Maybe we can see if words can really kill, some of us anyways.

Oh, Sony's a dick. What M$ did at Sony's Euro launch made them a saint, didn't it? Or no? God knows what you think of it. You are a flipper. You obviously aren't as cute as a flipper though.

[slade]

Why? So I can play crappy non-English games as well as the crappy English games on the PS3? No thank you. Once something comes out worthwhile, the PS3 will join the PS2 and PSP I already own (Oh, and an old Playstation).

Currently, I see the PS3 lineup as being equal to a fudge dragon or mud monkey (watch Southpark...you'll get it).

No, my comment was a rebuttal to your crappy non NTSC argument. Since you can play every Japanese game released in Japan currently on your N. American PS3 with no need for modding, your argument is moot. Gundam Musou should be included in the PS3 list of games.

[Gamer88]

Neither Sony nor the World is trying to convince you to get a PS3. You don't have to say the same old things over and over. You don't want a PS3 right now. We get it. You will get it when it has more games. Yes, again, we get it. You really love Xbox360. We have that carved on our hemispheres. (both of them, left and right). Money isn't an issue to you but PS3 is just outrageously expensive. Again, I hate to say it, we can't get anymore of it, AGAIN.

Seriously, attention whore, why don't you share other things you aren't content with in your life and repeat them 10000 times. Maybe we can see if words can really kill, some of us anyways.

Oh, Sony's a dick. What M$ did at Sony's Euro launch made them a saint, didn't it? Or no? God knows what you think of it. You are a flipper. You obviously aren't as cute as a flipper though.

Actually, I think the correct way to say it would be that Sony is trying to convince the WORLD (Including Gamer from 78) to get a PS3. At least, thats why I get when I see the commericals and various advertisments.

Come on, I think both you and slade have called him an attention whore, who the hell would come to this forum for attention? If Gamer from 78 wanted attention he could post the same stuff on any other forum and garner way more attention than here. Heck, maybe he does, maybe he spends his entire day posting on various gaming forums across the internet, or, god forbid, maybe he actually has a life.

Or hell, maybe he is actually a 56 year old man that has nothing better to do than annoy you Folken. He is on the opposite side of the line, I mean he supports the 360 right, so I can understand why you have so much hatred for him. The flippin' $%^#$%#$, trading sides, I guess it really makes you furious doesn't it? What a traitor!


Anywho

Yeah, Gamer from 78, your posts can be effin annoying

but no more than holier-than-thou lastword and the other pro-sony "elites"

[Glockstar]

No, my comment was a rebuttal to your crappy non NTSC argument. Since you can play every Japanese game released in Japan currently on your N. American PS3 with no need for modding, your argument is moot. Gundam Musou should be included in the PS3 list of games.

And where are we going to buy this Gundam Goo-goo-gay-pan game, huh? Lik-sang? I don't think so. Stupid. :rolleyes:

[folken001]

Actually, I think the correct way to say it would be that Sony is trying to convince the WORLD (Including Gamer from 78) to get a PS3. At least, thats why I get when I see the commericals and various advertisments.

Come on, I think both you and slade have called him an attention whore, who the hell would come to this forum for attention? If Gamer from 78 wanted attention he could post the same stuff on any other forum and garner way more attention than here. Heck, maybe he does, maybe he spends his entire day posting on various gaming forums across the internet, or, god forbid, maybe he actually has a life.

Or hell, maybe he is actually a 56 year old man that has nothing better to do than annoy you Folken. He is on the opposite side of the line, I mean he supports the 360 right, so I can understand why you have so much hatred for him. The flippin' $%^#$%#$, trading sides, I guess it really makes you furious doesn't it? What a traitor!


Anywho

Yeah, Gamer from 78, your posts can be effin annoying

but no more than holier-than-thou lastword and the other pro-sony "elites"

Maybe he is 56 years old or maybe he isn't. I don't think I really care. I usually don't have problems with anyone on this board. We have different views and we flame each other from time to time for them. It's what we suppose to do in this forum. I enjoy it. I believe most do too. I think it's the fact knowing that we are somehow passionate towards videogame makes us feel belonging in a group. But, I don't have much respect for people who changes their belief days in and days out. It's like today 78'll be your friend because you are popular, tomorrow he'd put a knife in your back without a 2nd thought just because you aren't popular anymore. On top of that, he tries to justify his doings with irony and contradictions. In a lot of ways, he's worse than moody.

I honestly have no problem with lastword. At least he introduces new ideas or radical views on things. It's interesting to read. He's like Daman but on Sony's side. I don't even really have a problem with waco or glock or tippy. If you think that I am hating on 78 simply because he's not pro-sony, then you obviously have a life and don't read on this board as much as we,people with less life as you put it, do. In that instance, you probably should just do what 78 should've done: keep ignorance to yourself. It's like you don't go to your math class and you don't know what's going on. One day you just go and try to answer every question. You don't just make an ass out of yourself, but everyone else in the class as well.

[folken001]

And where are we going to buy this Gundam Goo-goo-gay-pan game, huh? Lik-sang? I don't think so. Stupid. :rolleyes:
www.play-asia.com or ncsx.com.

at least google it. geez.

[slade]

And where are we going to buy this Gundam Goo-goo-gay-pan game, huh? Lik-sang? I don't think so. Stupid. :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

That was a pathetic troll.

[Gamer88]

Maybe he is 56 years old or maybe he isn't. I don't think I really care. I usually don't have problems with anyone on this board. We have different views and we flame each other from time to time for them. It's what we suppose to do in this forum. I enjoy it. I believe most do too. I think it's the fact knowing that we are somehow passionate towards videogame makes us feel belonging in a group. But, I don't have much respect for people who changes their belief days in and days out. It's like today 78'll be your friend because you are popular, tomorrow he'd put a knife in your back without a 2nd thought just because you aren't popular anymore. On top of that, he tries to justify his doings with irony and contradictions. In a lot of ways, he's worse than moody.

I honestly have no problem with lastword. At least he introduces new ideas or radical views on things. It's interesting to read. He's like Daman but on Sony's side. I don't even really have a problem with waco or glock or tippy. If you think that I am hating on 78 simply because he's not pro-sony, then you obviously have a life and don't read on this board as much as we,people with less life as you put it, do. In that instance, you probably should just do what 78 should've done: keep ignorance to yourself. It's like you don't go to your math class and you don't know what's going on. One day you just go and try to answer every question. You don't just make an ass out of yourself, but everyone else in the class as well.

I consider the news feed Gamer from 78 introduces as radical and new. Definatly a different view on things.

and hey! I got no chance to display ignorance in my BS math class because after 4 absences they boot you...oh wait...this is relevant how? It's not.

AS for you first paragraph, what I get out of that is that your pissed because he is now on the opposite side. Okay, he switched sides this generation, he was on your side the last two, so whats it matter? That doesn't even classify as a Benedict Arnold, because it's a single switcher. What makes him such a flip-flopper? and seriously, if he flip-flops back to the PS3, who cares, more power to him. It's a little sad when you compare it to a knife in the back (actually, I get the analogy, but still, you got some passion about this $$$$). I my as well back off, someone who cares so much about loyalty on a gaming forum probably has had something more profound than I can understand happen in his life involving treachery and loyalty.

Anyways

360 is the CHAMP!

even though I don't own one

[Glockstar]

That was a pathetic troll.

Yeah. Okay.

An import game should be counted among a systems' launch lineup. And I'm a troll. This coming from the guy who said the 360 launch window ends the day after Oblivion comes out. :rolleyes:

[Gadfly2317]

But, I don't have much respect for people who changes their belief days in and days out.

I have no respect for people who can't change their beliefs. "Beliefs" are a pre-scientific medieval minded left-over. We should be guided by fact-based paradigms that are capable of shifting when we discover or learn new facts and information.

Once you are under the spell of a "belief" that you identify with your ego, you cease to be an individual capapable of critical thought in whatever area that belief covers.

[Renzatic Gear]

"Let me tell you, Maude. Getting that subscription to Reason was the best thing that ever happened to me. Well...maybe not the best thing, per se. I need to compile data on all the positive experiences of my life to see which I benefited from the most before I can truthfully make such a wide arching claim. But it was good, Maude. Real good."

[slade]

Yeah. Okay.

An import game should be counted among a systems' launch lineup. And I'm a troll. This coming from the guy who said the 360 launch window ends the day after Oblivion comes out. :rolleyes:

It came out within the time limit you specified in your first post. It can be played on N. American PS3's. What's the problem here.... aside from your Xenophobia and blatant system bias.

[ilnadmy]

I have no respect for people who can't change their beliefs. "Beliefs" are a pre-scientific medieval minded left-over. We should be guided by fact-based paradigms that are capable of shifting when we discover or learn new facts and information.

Once you are under the spell of a "belief" that you identify with your ego, you cease to be an individual capapable of critical thought in whatever area that belief covers.
No amount of scientific boohockey is going to convince me that spontaneous combustion is not an everyday fact of life.

[Renzatic Gear]

I've seen hay spontaneously combust.

[ilnadmy]

I've seen hay spontaneously combust.
Disprove that, liberal Hollywood tree-hugging Scientologists!

[Renzatic Gear]

I can't. First there was no hay fire, then there was hay fire. It was RIGHT THERE!

[Glockstar]

First... how much did you have to drink beforehand, huh?

[Glockstar]

It came out within the time limit you specified in your first post. It can be played on N. American PS3's. What's the problem here.... aside from your Xenophobia and blatant system bias.

You can be a real pain sometimes, you know that? Fine then. But if you want to count Gundam GGGP for the PS3, then we've got to count (eM)-eNCHANT-arM; Tetris: The Grandmaster Ace; and Everyparty for the 360. Hey, if we're going to be importing games then why not import systems too?

[folken001]

I have no respect for people who can't change their beliefs. "Beliefs" are a pre-scientific medieval minded left-over. We should be guided by fact-based paradigms that are capable of shifting when we discover or learn new facts and information.

Once you are under the spell of a "belief" that you identify with your ego, you cease to be an individual capapable of critical thought in whatever area that belief covers.
Yeah and how many scientists we have today who are just, by chance, religious or have beliefs?

Did you know that Einstein had a belief?

I am capable of changing. If PS3 turned out to be like a GC at the end of this generation, I'd be more cautious of buying Sony's console in the future. Unlike somebody, after the flop of n64 and gc, he still kisses Nintendo's ass. But, when it's only 3 month into PS3's life spin and PS2 HAD a similar timetable, seriously, what kind of fairness are you haters giving it?

[folken001]

You can be a real pain sometimes, you know that? Fine then. But if you want to count Gundam GGGP for the PS3, then we've got to count (eM)-eNCHANT-arM; Tetris: The Grandmaster Ace; and Everyparty for the 360. Hey, if we're going to be importing games then why not import systems too?
Retarded argument.

Japan and America are in the same zone (zone1) now, as far as blu-ray goes. That's why Slade's argument works. Is it really that hard to understand?

[slade]

You can be a real pain sometimes, you know that? Fine then. But if you want to count Gundam GGGP for the PS3, then we've got to count (eM)-eNCHANT-arM; Tetris: The Grandmaster Ace; and Everyparty for the 360. Hey, if we're going to be importing games then why not import systems too?

Because importing a console costs that much more then importing a game. Unless you're saying that a person who doesn't have a 360 console would import the console for that particular game but then most of those N. American titles on your list become useless to that person.

Anyway, c'mon now, you're reaching for any reason to not include the game and it's showing.

[Mochan]

You can include Tetris in the 360 lineup if you want, I am just pointing out that Gundam Musou, being probably the best seller title of the PS3, deserves to be included in the lineup, especially since it is perfectly playable on NA PS3s as is, and is very likely to receive a NA version anyway later down the road. It's a significant PS3 title.

In case you haven't noticed when I talk 360 software I talk about Enchant Arms all the time, although it sold ass I find Enchant Arm to be a significant title as well, being the 360's first JRPG. It may not be as big as Blue Dragon but to me it's important and was also something of a draw to get a 360 (well until it became multiplat anyway).

[Glockstar]

Because importing a console costs that much more then importing a game. Unless you're saying that a person who doesn't have a 360 console would import the console for that particular game but then most of those N. American titles on your list become useless to that person.

Anyway, c'mon now, you're reaching for any reason to not include the game and it's showing.

That's funny. Availability and language aren't barriers but money is. Look, the game wasn't released here in NA. It doesn't count! And in case you didn't get the implication, that's what we're talking about: the NA Launches. NA is what we always talk about; it's the subject of 99.999% of every topic we discuss here at VGR, fer crying out loud.

I'm reaching. slade says I'm reaching. Well, if slade says it then it must be so. :rolleyes: Shoot, I'm the only here that's making any sense.

[Mochan]

I don't want to pull another "arrogant American" stunt here but you have to remember this is an international board and we do make a habit of talking about things outside of America (France Love Boat and Free Bravias anyone?) so why are you pushing to constrain the discussion to North American shores when gaming is so much bigger than that.

[Glockstar]

Because 99.999% of the members here live in North America. Sorry if you feel like you're in the minority here... but you are. And sorry if that makes me sound insolent - but it's just a fact; you'll have to excuse me for taking certain things - like the VGR landscape - for granted, you know?

[slade]

I don't want to pull another "arrogant American" stunt here but you have to remember this is an international board and we do make a habit of talking about things outside of America (France Love Boat and Free Bravias anyone?) so why are you pushing to constrain the discussion to North American shores when gaming is so much bigger than that.

Because it suits his argument and because he will do anything he can do to keep the PS3 list from looking bigger then the 360 one.

A little info about this forum, back when Xbox and GC launched, I used to post Japanese sales data as well as the N. American NPD numbers. Most of the Xbots at the time did not like the fact that Xbox was continually last in Japan and they spun it into little idiosyncracies like, 'Japan doesn't matter' and the current, 99% of gamers on this forum are N. American so 'Japanese sales data doesn't matter.' So, I stopped posting the numbers. If they wanted to shove their heads in the sand, who was I to stop them.

Now, that that's out of the way, who do you suppose has been posting and talking about media create numbers recently? Yep, that's right, the Xbots.

That's funny. Availability and language aren't barriers but money is. Look, the game wasn't released here in NA. It doesn't count! And in case you didn't get the implication, that's what we're talking about: the NA Launches. NA is what we always talk about; it's the subject of 99.999% of every topic we discuss here at VGR, fer crying out loud.

Availability is not much of a barrier. Any idiot knows how to order online and it fits with the 18-25 demographic which both PS3 and 360 cater to. Language isn't much of a barrier either since most of these games either come with an english menu or have simplistic menus to navigate. I could see language being a barrier if we were talking about JRPG's but not effing Gundam Musou. As for its story, I'm surprised it concerns you now since you've always taken the position that story in Japanese games is mostly crap.

And yes, price is a huge barrier. Look at the PS3.

Fact of the matter is that this is a real advantage of Blu Ray. I'll present you with a little scenario since you still have some kind of mental lock over this. Now, unless DMC4 is a multi region release on day one, I'll have it long before any Xbox fan outside of Japan gets their hands on the 360 version. And considering the fact that most Capcom games are English audio and subtitled at release, availability and language aren't barriers at all.

In the end, if I want to play Japanese and American games and connect my console through HDMI, I would need one PS3. If I wanted similar performance from the 360, I would have had to have bought three separate consoles by now.

[Glockstar]

Because it suits his argument and because he will do anything he can do to keep the PS3 list from looking bigger then the 360 one.

A little info about this forum, back when Xbox and GC launched, I used to post Japanese sales data as well as the N. American NPD numbers. Most of the Xbots at the time did not like the fact that Xbox was continually last in Japan and they spun it into little idiosyncracies like, 'Japan doesn't matter' and the current, 99% of gamers on this forum are N. American so 'Japanese sales data doesn't matter.' So, I stopped posting the numbers. If they wanted to shove their heads in the sand, who was I to stop them.

Now, that that's out of the way, who do you suppose has been posting and talking about media create numbers recently? Yep, that's right, the Xbots.

Hahahahaha! You think I have a cause here?! That's your first mistake.

I could give a bleep if the Sony list is longer by one. Or not. But fine, whatever; have your way (again) - I honestly don't give a bleep. But I was talking about the North American Launch(es) when I created this thread - and that should have been obvious.

[Gadfly2317]

But, when it's only 3 month into PS3's life spin and PS2 HAD a similar timetable, seriously, what kind of fairness are you haters giving it?

Who hates it? I think the Ps3 itself is a damned sweet machine, and I hope it finds itself, starts to sell well, and manages to live up to its claims of being able to deliver games far beyond what the 360 is capable of.

That would be sweet. But right now, it's not about hate, its just been about discussing how we think the real problems in the real world facing sony will affect the Ps3 over the course of this gen.

[folken001]

Who hates it? I think the Ps3 itself is a damned sweet machine, and I hope it finds itself, starts to sell well, and manages to live up to its claims of being able to deliver games far beyond what the 360 is capable of.

That would be sweet. But right now, it's not about hate, its just been about discussing how we think the real problems in the real world facing sony will affect the Ps3 over the course of this gen.
Are you not aware the hate PS3 is getting here and anywhere else?