Sony loses another exclusive.

[slade]

This one's a biggie too:

SEGA ANNOUNCES VIRTUA FIGHTER 5 FOR XBOX 360

Premiere Fighting Game Franchise Makes First Appearance on Microsoft’s Next Generation Videogame Console

STOCKHOLM, SWEDEN (December 21, 2006) – SEGA of America, Inc. and SEGA Europe Ltd. today announced that the highly anticipated arcade fighting game, Virtua Fighter™ 5, will make its way onto the Xbox 360™ video game and entertainment system. Virtua Fighter™ 5 is scheduled for release on Xbox 360™ in North America and in Europe during late summer 2007. The game will also be available for the PLAYSTATION®3 computer entertainment system on February 20th, 2007 in North America and will be available in Europe simultaneously with the system’s launch in March 2007.

“Those people lucky enough to have already played Virtua Fighter™ 5 will know that it’s laid the foundations to become the clear benchmark for fighting games on all next generation consoles”, said Matt Woodley, Creative Director, SEGA Publishing Europe Ltd. “Bringing Virtua Fighter™ 5 to the Xbox 360™ offers us a platform with power to handle the astonishing visuals, the complex and varied fighting styles of all the customisable characters and will undoubtedly put Virtua Fighter™ 5 into the hands of a gaming audience craving for a highly polished and credible fighting game.”

Virtua Fighter™ 5 features beautifully detailed stages from around the world where players face off in fast-moving martial arts battles against one of 17 characters. Two lively new characters join the elite group of fighters, adding two new unique fighting styles for players to try and master. With more skill and strategy than ever before, players are also given the opportunity to learn and employ the new “Offensive Move” technique to take down their opponents from different angles, adding a new dimension to the game and something for both new and old fans to master. Virtua Fighter™ 5 also includes the ability to customise characters by selecting from four base costumes and a wide range of unlockable accessories and earnable items. As players win more tournaments they will not only earn costumes and accessories, but also prizes and in-game money that will allow them to buy items from the in-game shop.

“The Virtua Fighter™ series from SEGA has one of the most prestigious histories in video games,” said Jeff Bell, corporate vice president of global marketing for the Interactive Entertainment Business at Microsoft. “It’s a franchise that has grown an army of loyal fans both in arcades and on consoles worldwide, and is consistently rated extremely high by the media. Fighting game fans have been hungry for Virtua Fighter™ 5 and we can now proudly deliver this game with SEGA to Xbox 360 gamers around the world.”

Developed by the highly renowned Tokyo based development team, AM R&D Development No.2, Virtua Fighter™ 5 for the Xbox 360™ will be available across Europe and North America during late summer 2007.

Sony's lost another one. If Capcom makes DMC4 multiplat as well, I won't have to bother with a PS3 for a long long while.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

This one was the killer for me. It always made me sick that the second best 3d fighter of last gen never made it to the xbox when Sega had showed so much love to the xbox with other games.

The best fighter was VF3tb for the DC VF4 evloution was dumbed down but still better than everything else followed by DOA ultimate and Soul Calbier 2.

[Mochan]

No, Tekken was the best.

Anyway yeah that's a major loss, ESPECIALLY in Japan. Notice how MS is targetting the Japanese market here? VF is the biggest 3D fighting game franchise in Japan, so with DQ9 lost and now VF5 going to the 360, the PS3 is really hurting.

It'd almost be enough to make me jump ship to the 360 if Metal Gear, Tekken and the whole plethora of JRPGs jumped to the 360. Well anyway I can still take a wait and see approach. To be honest though for entirely selfish reasons I actually starting to want the 360 to win over Sony, believe it or not.

[Glockstar]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! BOOM, baby! I told you!

[folken001]

Hopefully there will be original titles to carry on. Can't always rely on sequels.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Hopefully there will be original titles to carry on. Can't always rely on sequels.

This is what I've always thought was Sony's main problem. They've traditionally let 3rd parties define there platform. And you never know when those 3rd parties are going to take there games an go multiplat.

Phil Harrison has said that SCEI is going to be stronger emphasis on 1st party titles though.

[folken001]

That could be exactly why Sony had the strongest 3rd party support though.

After playing Resistance, I am actually looking forward to their next title.

[NEO-360]

Hopefully there will be original titles to carry on. Can't always rely on sequels.

Can't always rely on sequels? Good excuse. Boy, this is truly getting rich by the second.Havent I been saying that exclusives for Sony were going to be very small this time around? Yep. And lord behold. VF5 is now bound for the Xbox 360. :D

Boy oh boy. Whats next? Tekken? Devil May Cry 4 starring Nero? MGS4:Guns Of The Patriot:? Final Fantasy 13? Right now milk drinkers are truly having a bad day. With tears running down their faces and p--- running down their legs. I think its safe to say that um at this point just about any so called Sony exclusive can turn 360 bound. No ifs,ands,or buts about it. The 360 is truly becoming a force to be reckoned with.

Oh well, cant wait to see whats next. VF5 for the Xbox 360. Gotta love it.:smilewinkgrin:

[NEO-360]

No, Tekken was the best.

Anyway yeah that's a major loss, ESPECIALLY in Japan. Notice how MS is targetting the Japanese market here? VF is the biggest 3D fighting game franchise in Japan, so with DQ9 lost and now VF5 going to the 360, the PS3 is really hurting.

It'd almost be enough to make me jump ship to the 360 if Metal Gear, Tekken and the whole plethora of JRPGs jumped to the 360. Well anyway I can still take a wait and see approach. To be honest though for entirely selfish reasons I actually starting to want the 360 to win over Sony, believe it or not.

I kinda liked Tekken better than Virtua Fighter too.But I loved playing them both over the years. Huge blow indeed.DQ along with VF5 are two huge exclusive losses. At the way things are going could Tekken be far behind as another potential multiplatform title for the 360?:idea:

[Fivespot]

Sony also recently lost another important title only this time not to other consoles. The next major Dragon Quest game is being developed exclusively for the DS (although some side story type games might be made for consoles down the road). Probably not a big deal in the US but an important factor in Japan as I understand.

[thelastword]

No, Tekken was the best.

Anyway yeah that's a major loss, ESPECIALLY in Japan. Notice how MS is targetting the Japanese market here? VF is the biggest 3D fighting game franchise in Japan, so with DQ9 lost and now VF5 going to the 360, the PS3 is really hurting. Japan? where? I see no indication of a Japanese release for the 360. If that was the case though; we're looking at roughly 800k-1million PS3's in Japan by February 8th(the date when VF5 lands there) against maybe 200k 360's. Of course 6 months exclusivity is another 6 months that may very well usher an additional 2 million PS3's to the Japanese LTD count, and by extension, more sales of VF5. It just does not make sense to put this out in Japan from a business perspective.

As for the NA and EURO regions, I think that gamers who have not gotten a chance to play VF will do so, but I'm not sure it make a difference for Sega's bottomline, Hell, I don't see the 360 pushing 1/10th of the VF5 sales the PS3 will. Once again it's like this, in 9 months the PS3 would have pushed say roughly 3 million consoles in Japan, 4 million in NA and 3.5 million in EU IMO, hell, maybe even more, but this is how I view it. I don't think the returns for SEGA will be that great on the 360, I mean these guys felt that DOA4 was a deep fighter, frankly I expect alot of weaksaucery from these bots, but in the end, the more gamers that enjoys great games the better, even if they're bots.

Tekken is my personal favourite though, I grew up on Tekken and it will always be my number one fighter.


It'd almost be enough to make me jump ship to the 360 if Metal Gear, Tekken and the whole plethora of JRPGs jumped to the 360. Well anyway I can still take a wait and see approach. To be honest though for entirely selfish reasons I actually starting to want the 360 to win over Sony, believe it or not. Well that won't happen, Tekken belongs to the PS3, so will MGS4 and DMC4. I think though, that Sony is kinda loosening it's grip on certain franchises, I mean as much as VF5 has gone timed exclusive, it was not always a PS game. My biggest support of Sony is as a result of the new franchises that they keep churning out, I think this is the key that Sony holds and with how organized and how big SWWS has gotten, we can be sure that they will have the majority of genres under lockdown. Maybe we will see a new fighter from Sony, maybe we will see an arcade racer from them who knows, they're that big, that capable and that talented, hell even Kazunori Yamauchi is planning to do another game outside of GT for the PS3. I remember when the PS lost Crash and Spyro, people were saying how bad things was going to be, things change, the world evolves, new titles will eventually come out to best our old favourites. I appreciate more than anything Sony's approach in making that a reality, Mstorm,Hsword,La Noire, Eight Days, Lair, project Big I welcome with open arms.

[Fivespot]

Sony is kinda loosening it's grip on certain franchises

Sega is making this game, not Sony. So Sony has no control over what Sega decides to do with one of their major franchises. But sure, this is just Sony "loosening it's grip on certain franchises".

Nice attempt at spinning this in a positive Sony light but you're missing the obvious fact that this is not positive news for Sony no matter how you or anyone else attempts to spin it.

[silversparrow]

Sega is probably banking on North American and European gamers to buy VF5 for the 360. Even with the major PS3 shortages in Japan, 360s just aren't moving over there.

[Gadfly2317]

I think though, that Sony is kinda loosening it's grip on certain franchises,

Sony is not loosening it's grip, which makes no sense. No. They are having their grip loosened for them by strong competitors.

And keep chanting Lair Motorstorm Lair Motorstorm. You're starting to sound like last gen Xbots who for a whole year were like Halo Splinter Cell Halo Splinter Cell.

[folken001]

I think this is happening due to the fact that Sony can't supply enough PS3s around. It'd be a concern if exclusives are still leaving a year later.

[ilnadmy]

To be honest I never did like Virtua Fighter, but that's just me. I understand how big this news is though.

Xbots keep chanting how Sony is losing more and more exclusives to the 360, but that still doesn't change the fact that Sony has more third-party exclusives than the 360. Off the top of my head, and the ones Neo keeps ****ing off to, are MGS4 and DMC4. You're not getting them, period. Let it go. There's also FFXIII which is a PS brand exclusive (the main games at least).

The true 360 killer-apps are all 1st- or 2nd-party games. Halo 3 and Too Human, for example. Mass Effect I suppose is your one 3rd-party exclusive, but even then BioWare has ported all its games over to the PC. Yeah it's taken a year or more, but whatevs I'm not in a hurry to play it.

It's a little unsettling that the PS3 is losing so many exclusives, but all it needs right now are those 3 exclusives, along with a slew of killer 1st- and 2nd-party efforts to increase sales of its system. That's when you're going to see exclusives start flocking back to the PS3. The way I see it, this is just a factor of a bad launch; it's not going to be this way for the entire PS3's life. And even now, it still has more 3rd-party exclusives than the 360, so it's in no real trouble yet.

[thelastword]

Sega is making this game, not Sony. So Sony has no control over what Sega decides to do with one of their major franchises. But sure, this is just Sony "loosening it's grip on certain franchises".

Nice attempt at spinning this in a positive Sony light but you're missing the obvious fact that this is not positive news for Sony no matter how you or anyone else attempts to spin it.loosening it's grip as in not fighting for absolute exclusivity through money. I mean look at GTA, personally I felt Sony did the right thing by not fighting for it to remain timed exclusive, it's time to move on and get new and fresher games that will be the Gta's and Halo's of this gen. There were so many Gta's last gen and so many spinoffs as well, it's ok if the series is shared from day one IMO. VF5 will finally indicate to the box fanatics how limited they were in so many genres last gen, it's a good thing that it's coming to the box in the end, but I don't think this changes a blip as to what the forecast is, VF5 will not push XBOX360's it's as simple as that.

I'm not referring to VF5 as such in this instance, but there are some games that are on a decline due to other games in their specific genre which are more fulfilling. In the arcade racing scene I think that burnout is the best out there atm, so despite RR being a huge seller of times gone past, it's time for Sony to let loose on these titles a bit and of course it has, there's not much milk left in that cow, it's done it's time, let Namco do what's best for it's bottomline in that regard and let Sony do things to bring new IP's, new ideas, new concepts that will take the gaming world by storm.

[thelastword]

And keep chanting Lair Motorstorm Lair Motorstorm. You're starting to sound like last gen Xbots who for a whole year were like Halo Splinter Cell Halo Splinter Cell.These are new games, any one of them or both could be the next best thing. There were several SC's across all platforms last gen, there's no way I would make an argument based on that, totally different and you know it. The flood of new titles are most interesting to me, I know already that MGS4 is going to deliver but I'm really excited about the new games, because they hold great possibilities.

[NEO-360]

loosening it's grip as in not fighting for absolute exclusivity through money. I mean look at GTA, personally I felt Sony did the right thing by not fighting for it to remain timed exclusive, it's time to move on and get new and fresher games that will be the Gta's and Halo's of this gen. There were so many Gta's last gen and so many spinoffs as well, it's ok if the series is shared from day one IMO. VF5 will finally indicate to the box fanatics how limited they were in so many genres last gen, it's a good thing that it's coming to the box in the end, but I don't think this changes a blip as to what the forecast is, VF5 will not push XBOX360's it's as simple as that.

I'm not referring to VF5 as such in this instance, but there are some games that are on a decline due to other games in their specific genre which are more fulfilling. In the arcade racing scene I think that burnout is the best out there atm, so despite RR being a huge seller of times gone past, it's time for Sony to let loose on these titles a bit and of course it has, there's not much milk left in that cow, it's done it's time, let Namco do what's best for it's bottomline in that regard and let Sony do things to bring new IP's, new ideas, new concepts that will take the gaming world by storm.

Then its a whole new ballgame. First its Sega. Next? Namco? Capcom? Square Enix? You guys can sit there and say no it wont happen. But right now nobody knows for sure who is going to jump ship next. Anything can happen. But you guys know that.:thumbsup:

[NEO-360]

To be honest I never did like Virtua Fighter, but that's just me. I understand how big this news is though.

Xbots keep chanting how Sony is losing more and more exclusives to the 360, but that still doesn't change the fact that Sony has more third-party exclusives than the 360. Off the top of my head, and the ones Neo keeps ****ing off to, are MGS4 and DMC4. You're not getting them, period. Let it go. There's also FFXIII which is a PS brand exclusive (the main games at least).

The true 360 killer-apps are all 1st- or 2nd-party games. Halo 3 and Too Human, for example. Mass Effect I suppose is your one 3rd-party exclusive, but even then BioWare has ported all its games over to the PC. Yeah it's taken a year or more, but whatevs I'm not in a hurry to play it.

It's a little unsettling that the PS3 is losing so many exclusives, but all it needs right now are those 3 exclusives, along with a slew of killer 1st- and 2nd-party efforts to increase sales of its system. That's when you're going to see exclusives start flocking back to the PS3. The way I see it, this is just a factor of a bad launch; it's not going to be this way for the entire PS3's life. And even now, it still has more 3rd-party exclusives than the 360, so it's in no real trouble yet.

At this point no one knows for sure what Sony"exclusive" is next on the list. You guys can sit there all you want and say"Oh this will never be on the 360." But the truth is:You guys are scared s---less right now.

Right now nobody here should be surprised if any of the major players decides to port over anything to the 360 in the near future. Never say never to anything anymore. The tide is turning. You guys can live in Egypt if you want to.:cool:

[NEO-360]

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Tekken is my personal favourite though, I grew up on Tekken and it will always be my number one fighter.

Well that won't happen, Tekken belongs to the PS3, so will MGS4 and DMC4 .

Is that right? Because why? Its an Sony exclusive? LOL!! Considering how poorly games like Soul Calibur 2, Soul Calibur 3, and the last couple of Tekken's has faired dont be surprised if you look up one day and see Namco announcing that the Tekken series will be also coming to the 360.

Konami already stated "At this time" we are not porting over MGS4 to the 360. Meaning theres a good chance a 360 port will be in the works. Konami never said it'll never happen. Remember that.

And then there is Capcom.Capcom had alot of fighters on the Xbox. Would it be totally surprising if Devil May Cry comes to the 360? Hell, if Capcom felt the Resident Evil series was good enough to be on the 360 why not Devil May Cry 4?

Is it totally impossible at this point for DMC4, MGS4,and the next Tekken to become 360 ports in the near future? No it isnt. Its all about making money. Loyalty doesnt keep the bills paid on time. At this point any so called"Sony exclusive" can be reduced to"360 port" status. Dont get it twisted fellas.

[VGV]

VF5 on the 360 ... so what's the fuss all about ? Plenty of PS3 exclusives coming up in the next few months. From the top of my head : Heavenly Sword, Fatal Inertia, MotorStorm, Gran Turismo 5, Lair, WarHawk and Unkown Realms. Heck there's even some multi-plats that I'm anxiously waiting on ! So once more ... VF5 on the 360, what's the fuss about ?

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Maniacal Milkdrinkers. Damn can you guys admit that there is a issue with Sony losing exlusives?

And for the record the 360 are introducing more new franchises than the PS3.

Halo Wars
Lost Planet
Dead Rising
Chrome Hounds
Ninty Nine Nights
Mass Effect
Kane & Lynch
Condemend
Kameo
Viva Pinata
Gears of War
Too Human
Blue Dragon
Lost Oddesey

[NEO-360]

Maniacal Milkdrinkers. Damn can you guys admit that there is a issue with Sony losing exlusives?

And for the record the 360 are introducing more new franchises than the PS3.

Halo Wars
Lost Planet
Dead Rising
Chrome Hounds
Ninty Nine Nights
Mass Effect
Kane & Lynch
Condemend
Kameo
Viva Pinata
Gears of War
Too Human
Blue Dragon
Lost Oddesey

You already know that the maniacal milkdrinkers will not openly admit that Sony is currently having a problem keeping exclusives. That would be like them admit that Sony isnt a videogame God. Its against their religion. LOL!

Nice list of upcoming games there DT. Cant wait to get my hands on those games.Along with those great upcoming 3rd party multiplatform titles.:thumbsup:

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

And all those are new orignal games I forgot Crackdown and Saint's Row.

[folken001]

Maniacal Milkdrinkers. Damn can you guys admit that there is a issue with Sony losing exlusives?

And for the record the 360 are introducing more new franchises than the PS3.

Halo Wars
Lost Planet
Dead Rising
Chrome Hounds
Ninty Nine Nights
Mass Effect
Kane & Lynch
Condemend
Kameo
Viva Pinata
Gears of War
Too Human
Blue Dragon
Lost Oddesey

Man, you count Halo War as a new franchise? Half of listed games here are crap. The other half are yet to be proven. I mean, are you really trying to pimp Xbox360 out with games like Lost oddeysey or Viva Pinata?

PS3 is losing exclusives largely due to lack of install user base. Seriously, if Xbox 360 was doing so well, then Virtual Fighter 5 would've been announced for Xbox360 already, not as a port of a PS3 game.

[ilnadmy]

At this point no one knows for sure what Sony"exclusive" is next on the list. You guys can sit there all you want and say"Oh this will never be on the 360." But the truth is:You guys are scared s---less right now.

No one's scared. If MGS4 goes to the 360, I will probably buy the 360. I don't care either way, as long as I get the games I want. However, what we're saying is that most probably MGS4, DMC4, and FFXIII will NOT make it to 360. Of course you're right, we don't know for sure. But we can tell you that the games that are no longer PS3 exclusive never were big PS-exclusive series. MGS, DMC, and FF were. That's the difference.

Also, you still didn't respond to my point that the PS3 still has MORE THIRD-PARTY EXCLUSIVES THAN THE 360. I understand though, selective memory, what you don't know can't hurt you, etc...

You guys can live in Egypt if you want to.

I don't get it.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Man, you count Halo War as a new franchise? Half of listed games here are crap. The other half are yet to be proven. I mean, are you really trying to pimp Xbox360 out with games like Lost oddeysey or Viva Pinata?

PS3 is losing exclusives largely due to lack of install user base. Seriously, if Xbox 360 was doing so well, then Virtual Fighter 5 would've been announced for Xbox360 already, not as a port of a PS3 game.


How's Halo wars not a new franchise? It's not an FPS it's RTS if you don't want to count it fine. My point was simply that there are a lot of new original IP's being introduced on the 360.

And exactly what's your issue with Lost oddeysey and Viva. LO isn't out but it looks good if you like that type of game Art style stands out and Viva has been getting good reviews everywhere. And they both are different than what's seen as typical Xbox games.

However, what we're saying is that most probably MGS4, DMC4, and FFXIII will NOT make it to 360.

Why do you say that. The only one I see that's closest to a lock is FFXIII and that's due to Sony's partial ownership in Square.

[NEO-360]

No one's scared. If MGS4 goes to the 360, I will probably buy the 360. I don't care either way, as long as I get the games I want. However, what we're saying is that most probably MGS4, DMC4, and FFXIII will NOT make it to 360. Of course you're right, we don't know for sure. But we can tell you that the games that are no longer PS3 exclusive never were big PS-exclusive series. MGS, DMC, and FF were. That's the difference.

Also, you still didn't respond to my point that the PS3 still has MORE THIRD-PARTY EXCLUSIVES THAN THE 360. I understand though, selective memory, what you don't know can't hurt you, etc...



I don't get it.

The Grand Theft Auto series is considered a big exclusive series for Sony for a long time wasnt it? Yep. Smackdown vs. Raw was also a big exclusive series for Sony for a very long time wasnt it? Yep. Resident Evil was indeed an exclusive prime time player for Sony for a very long time wasnt it? Yep.

Now all of those games are now big time 3rd party ports for the 360. Does the PS3 has more 3rd party exclusives than the 360? I dunno. Currently there are so many great games coming from 3rd party support for the 360 I can honestly say that it really doesnt matter anymore.

At this point any of those so called Sony exclusives can change at the drop of a hat. Btw, what I meant when I said you guys are living in Egypt.(Your're in denial) Rhymes with Nile.

I say keep those Sony exclusives coming. Future 360 owners appriciate it very much.:cool:

[NEO-360]

How's Halo wars not a new franchise? It's not an FPS it's RTS if you don't want to count it fine. My point was simply that there are a lot of new original IP's being introduced on the 360.
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DrunkenThumbmaster, you know Folken bleeds, eats,drinks, & craps Sony. He knows nothing about what Halo War is. He has no clue that Halo War & Halo 3 are two seperate things.(Only us Xbox die hards knows of this) Right now he along with the rest of Milk Inc. are hating on Xbots and 360 owners due to all this wonderful attention the loss of Sony exclusives is getting right now. He'll get over it. Until the next bombshell hits in the near future. :D

[Gadfly2317]

DrunkenThumbmaster, you know Folken bleeds, eats,drinks, & craps Sony. He knows nothing about what Halo War is. He has no clue that Halo War & Halo 3 are two seperate things.(Only us Xbox die hards knows of this)

Diehard? I thought you said you didn't even own a 360?

Anyway, regardless of what folken may or may not know, most everyone here knows what Halo war is. Just because it is Masterchief staring in another type of game, it doesn't mean its a new IP I don't think. It's like Mario starring in those RPG's, as opposed to his usual platforming antics.

One day, after the MS's xbox division is dead and buried like dozens of other consoles, Master Chef will be in Super Smash Brothers, and then we can finally test out the Samus vs. Master Chef theories. Should be a lot of fun to use the grapple hook to rip off his head, fling it into the sky, and boomheadshot the wretched thing in mid air like we was skeet shootin'!

[Mochan]

Speaking of Halo Wars, I am actually a bit interested in this title, seeing as it is from MS's Ensemble Studios, the peeps who were responsible for the annoying Age of Empires series but who were responsible for the awesome Age of Mythology game.

While I doubt that Halo Wars will be as good as Company of Heroes, it will probably rival AoMyth. BUT... how will it work with a gamepad? Can it possibly be good? I would like to see how creative Ensemble can be in making a traditionally PC genre work on a console.

[NEO-360]

Diehard? I thought you said you didn't even own a 360?

Anyway, regardless of what folken may or may not know, most everyone here knows what Halo war is. Just because it is Masterchief staring in another type of game, it doesn't mean its a new IP I don't think. It's like Mario starring in those RPG's, as opposed to his usual platforming antics.

One day, after the MS's xbox division is dead and buried like dozens of other consoles, Master Chef will be in Super Smash Brothers, and then we can finally test out the Samus vs. Master Chef theories. Should be a lot of fun to use the grapple hook to rip off his head, fling it into the sky, and boomheadshot the wretched thing in mid air like we was skeet shootin'!

Just because I dont own a 360 doesnt mean I dont read up on whats coming up on the horizon for it though. Since I plan to be an 360 owner in a couple of months I have to keep up with whats going on with it.

It would be interesting to see if DMC or Tekken ends up on the 360 in the near future.I have a strange feeling though that MGS4 will come to the 360.Just not for probably about 4-6 months after its PS3 release.

Not to mention thats the only way to know whats going on the videogame world. You have to keep up with things. From the internet to G4TV to Gamepro,Game Informer, EGM;etc.

Master Chief in a spinoff type of Halo game IMO would be cool. Something new and something different.

Master Chief vs. Samus? Nah. Even if they were in a Smash bros. game you and I both know that Chief wouldnt stand a chance. Now if they were in an open field and Chief was allowed to have a Banshee and a rocket launch at this disposal, then I may say different.(Kill em Chief!)

When the MS division is dead and buried like dozens of other consoles? I guess the PS3 will be right along with it then. We'll throw in guys from Killzone to join the Smash bros fight too. :rolleyes:

[ilnadmy]

Does the PS3 has more 3rd party exclusives than the 360? I dunno. Currently there are so many great games coming from 3rd party support for the 360 I can honestly say that it really doesnt matter anymore.

HAHAHAHAHA!!! If there was a backwards cycling competition, you would be the unchallenged champion. Sony losing exclusives is a HUGE deal, but the fact that it still has more 3rd-party exclusives than the 360 is not?

Uh-huh.

From the looks of things, you're the one "living in Egypt".

[Cuddly Knife]

Just because it is Masterchief staring in another type of game, it doesn't mean its a new IP I don't think. It's like Mario starring in those RPG's, as opposed to his usual platforming antics.
No, I don't think people know what Halo Wars is. For one, it does not star the Chief. 2, it takes place before the events of the first Halo on the XBOX. So far, about the only thing people know about this game is that it's an RTS.

[Mochan]

RTS don't usually "star" a specific character. I mean even Starcraft didn't star Kerrigan. And yeah the word about Halo Wars is that it's before the 1st Halo game because there were multiple this and that and that and this in the preview trailer (doesn't make sense to me as I know zilch about Halo).

[NEO-360]

HAHAHAHAHA!!! If there was a backwards cycling competition, you would be the unchallenged champion. Sony losing exclusives is a HUGE deal, but the fact that it still has more 3rd-party exclusives than the 360 is not?

Uh-huh.

From the looks of things, you're the one "living in Egypt".

At this point does it matter? Right now there are plenty of games coming for the 360 from all corners. Whether Sony has more 3rd party exclusives or not isnt even an issue to be concerned about yet. Keeping exclusives for your console exclusive is Sony's current problem that needs to be "fixed." Till then buying a 360 is looking even better than buying a PS3 at this point.:thumbsup:

[ilnadmy]

Well I disagree with your last sentence specifically for the reason cited in your third sentence. Buying a PS3 looks better than buying a 360 because the PS3 still has more 3rd party exclusives than 360. And those games that are multiplat now? Well you can still buy them on PS3. The only thing I won't be able to play on PS3 is Halo 3...but I prefer to play entertaining games anyway.

[NEO-360]

Well I disagree with your last sentence specifically for the reason cited in your third sentence. Buying a PS3 looks better than buying a 360 because the PS3 still has more 3rd party exclusives than 360. And those games that are multiplat now? Well you can still buy them on PS3. The only thing I won't be able to play on PS3 is Halo 3...but I prefer to play entertaining games anyway.

Buying a PS3 looks better because it has more 3rd party exclusives than the 360? Really? Judging by all those great multiplatform titles thats coming to the 360 I didnt notice.At this point that means nada.Absolutely nada. Yeah you can still play them on the PS3. If you can get your hands on one these days.:D

Not to mention either way you cut it the fact that alot of games that normally would have never been on an Xbox console will be on one this time around. That little tidbit will indeed be huge down the stretch. And yes this a huge difference maker here.

Plus what are you trying to say? That Halo isnt an entertaining game? What game is better than Halo on any videogame console? What game has brought more spotlight to the FPS genre than Halo has done over the last 4 years?

Every milk drinker to every Nintendo brownie to every Xbot knows that Halo 3 will be without question the most anticipated game of 2007. Regardless of what game is coming out for any console Halo 3 will be the game to beat. You rather play more entertaining games? LOL! From where? The PS2? Yep. The 360? Yep. The Wii? Yep. The PS3? Nope.:cool:

[tyrant619-uber]

im still trying too figure out what third party titles that ilnadmy is talking about. I still have yet too see this list of games. I cant sit back an wait another 9,10,12 months for that next killer app. show me something that can keep my playstation dreams alive. may all the milk drinkers unite in all out rage against neo.

[NEO-360]

im still trying too figure out what third party titles that ilnadmy is talking about. I still have yet too see this list of games. I cant sit back an wait another 9,10,12 months for that next killer app. show me something that can keep my playstation dreams alive. may all the milk drinkers unite in all out rage against neo.

Since ilnadmy has been throwing this little tidbit around like new money this would indeed be a wonderful piece of evidence that could possibly validate what ilnadmy has been saying. So how about it ilnadmy? You got a list to go with that theory of yours?:cool:

[ilnadmy]

Oh.

My.

%$^#@!@!!!!

How many times have I mentioned MGS4, DMC4, FFXIII? HOW MANY TIMES??!!?! DO YOU PEOPLE NOT READ??!! DO YOU JUST CLOSE YOUR EYES, RANDOMLY POINT AT A WORD IN MY POST, AND THEN REPLY TO THAT?? HOLY FREAKING GOD!!! PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE!! THE SMOKE RISING FROM THAT THING OBSCURES YOUR VISION!!

....oh my throbbing head.....

And you guys wanna be such smart-asses, NONE of you Xbots has STILL mentioned a third-party exclusive such as I previously asked. NONE OF YOU. Care to venture a guess why?

[tyrant619-uber]

okay ilnadmy, lets see. so far you have mention the same three tired old games that a true gamer could care less about. I dont give a rats left butt cheek about exclusive titles. in this age of multiplat gaming the only thing i care about is who can do the game better(graphics,control,game play, etc.). i still have yet too see sony give me something worth putting down the kind of money that i would only throw out for my pc. But seeing that you seem to be the resident know it all, heck, what do i know, i've just been playing games since you were just a stain on the backseat of your old man's ford.

[tyrant619-uber]

Oh.

My.

%$^#@!@!!!!

How many times have I mentioned MGS4, DMC4, FFXIII? HOW MANY TIMES??!!?! DO YOU PEOPLE NOT READ??!! DO YOU JUST CLOSE YOUR EYES, RANDOMLY POINT AT A WORD IN MY POST, AND THEN REPLY TO THAT?? HOLY FREAKING GOD!!! PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE!! THE SMOKE RISING FROM THAT THING OBSCURES YOUR VISION!!

....oh my throbbing head.....

And you guys wanna be such smart-asses, NONE of you Xbots has STILL mentioned a third-party exclusive such as I previously asked. NONE OF YOU. Care to venture a guess why? okay heres two LOST PLANET and BIOSHOCK time for a little new blood in the gaming world, not the same tired old formula time and time again.

[ilnadmy]

Pshh. Lost what? If, as you say, a "true gamer" doesn't care about MGS, DMC, and FF, then who the hell cares about Lost Planet? Retarded, rabies-infested monkeys maybe. And Bioshock? I got a PC for that sh**.

in this age of multiplat gaming the only thing i care about is who can do the game better(graphics,control,game play, etc.).

Ha! And yet you guys cream your pants over the prospect of holding the Halo 3 box lovingly between your legs. Gimme a break.

[Dancer O_o]

Oh.

My.

%$^#@!@!!!!

How many times have I mentioned MGS4, DMC4, FFXIII? HOW MANY TIMES??!!?! DO YOU PEOPLE NOT READ??!! DO YOU JUST CLOSE YOUR EYES, RANDOMLY POINT AT A WORD IN MY POST, AND THEN REPLY TO THAT?? HOLY FREAKING GOD!!! PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE!! THE SMOKE RISING FROM THAT THING OBSCURES YOUR VISION!!

....oh my throbbing head.....

And you guys wanna be such smart-asses, NONE of you Xbots has STILL mentioned a third-party exclusive such as I previously asked. NONE OF YOU. Care to venture a guess why?

poor ilnadmy

"Sony Lost PS3 Exclusives, Says Requisite Stupid Things


The last generation, Sony kicked ass and took names thanks to a whole slew of exclusives. This time around, blah! Sony Computer Entertainment czar Ken Kutaragi took his sweet time finalizing business terms with third party developers, leaving the door open for Microsoft.

According to Newsweek, Take-Two and Rockstar were interested in continuing their exclusive relationship with Sony. Ubisoft, too, hoped to make Assassin's Creed a PS3 exclusive. But neither company could get a green light from Kutaragi, who was probably busy comparing the PS3 to a super computer. Says SCEA VP, Jack "Flying Breakfast Car" Tretton:

We really feel like we're well positioned to contribute platform-defining games from a first-party standpoint, and we're not dependent on third-party community to the degree that a Microsoft would be. That being said, you would be crazy to say that you would never entertain or not welcome exclusives. It's just a question of how deep into your pockets do you have to reach to secure that? Desperation breeds deep pockets. Confidence breeds the opposite. When it makes sense, you do the deal. When it doesn't, you pass.
Actually confidence breeds arrogance. And what does arrogance breed, Jack? Brian Ashcraft

Jack Tretton Smack Talks Again [Newsweek, Thanks Que!]"

Linkypoo

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/flying-breakfast-car/sony-lost-ps3-exclusives-says-requisite-stupid-things-216256.php?mail2=true

For Sony to let this slip is the biggest problem. They literally have let arrogance ruin exclusivity for them and MS laughs like hell over it thinking "Sony must be fumbling about over there at their HQ or something". Kutaragi was supposably promoted for this....yeah, ok. This is the same guy who said people will want to go get a second job to pay for their new PS3 right? This guy is brain dead and has screwed Sony so badly that even Sony execs are worried. Sony has also bet the whole farm on Blue Ray, so much so that if the PS3 does not succeed they are in deap poodoo. Sony has so many loans taken out to carry them till the PS3 is profitable that I would be stressing myself into a stroke if I was management over there. Making the PSP downloadable PSX games only available through the PS3? What hair-brained moron thought that one up? Take a guess...Tashi was more right than he knew on this one. I'd just love to get a PS3 and may be able to later this week or next, but God damn it Sony is not making me feel that secure in the purchase at this time like the PSX, PSP, and PS2 did. Without exclusivity the PS3 will not be the must have console anymore, that's a hard fact to choke down.

I think that game Motorstorm is exclusive, right? That's 4! And Resistance Fall of Man too right? That's 5 maybe, maybe.

[tyrant619-uber]

this one is for u ilnadmy, why do u have such a hatred for anything that isnt pro sony or pc. why do u get ur panties in a bunch as soon as the name of microsoft crosses ur lovely monitor. did u do something bad in a past life that we have to torture u so. back too the games..... metal gear has run its coarse, devil may cry, after the first one, franchise pretty much sucks monkey balls, as for final fantasy well what can i say after 7, screw 'em. Like i have already stated its the same old song and dance. same tired a$$ formula. If u want to try and get under somebodies skin ilnadmy make sure its someone who hasnt been around as long as i have. HOLLA!!!!

[ilnadmy]

Alright grandpa, I think it's time for you to lay off the viagra.

I don't hate Microsoft. I don't have an anti-Microsoft bias. I have a pro-Sony bias. Big difference there. You're the one saying MGS, DMC, and FF has "run its coarse" without backing it up. I never make claims without providing a reason. You, on the other hand, have "been around" so long you think everything you say is right. You think throwing that in my face every post automatically validates your opinions? Think again. Try thinking before posting, and then maybe I'll respect what you have to say.

[Mochan]

http://forums.videogamereview.com/showthread.php?p=86722#post86722


this one is for u ilnadmy, why do u have such a hatred for anything that isnt pro sony or pc. why do u get ur panties in a bunch as soon as the name of microsoft crosses ur lovely monitor.

er... Microsoft grazes his lovely monitor every time he boots his Microsoft Windows PC up. Get a clue, noob.

make sure its someone who hasnt been around as long as i have. HOLLA!!!!

Noob Grandpa, LOL that's priceless! Frome here on I dub our new member Noob Grampa for being around as long as he has, longer than anyone else on this board!

[NEO-360]

Pshh. Lost what? If, as you say, a "true gamer" doesn't care about MGS, DMC, and FF, then who the hell cares about Lost Planet? Retarded, rabies-infested monkeys maybe. And Bioshock? I got a PC for that sh**.



Ha! And yet you guys cream your pants over the prospect of holding the Halo 3 box lovingly between your legs. Gimme a break.

Me and him have a few slight differences of opinion. Most of the time we are on the same page with most things. Here? Well, a"true gamer" loves all types of games. That I do. MGS, DMC,and FF to me arent tired franchises at all. They are indeed franchises thats been around for awhile now. For me? I would like to see alot more from those franchises. Since this is the next gen war I want to see something that I havent seen before.

Games like Lost Planet and Bioshock indeed looks to be something special. Retarded, rabies-infested monkeys maybe? Get real ilnadmy. The 360 has alot of great upcoming titles that most of you have indeed seen time and time again on the PC game front. Granted.

But its nice to see games like this on a videogame console for a change. Plus, you can say anything you want about Halo 3. Bottom line here is that Halo 3 most likely Will be your 2007 Game of the year. Nothing from the PS3 will be holding that honor. Thats just telling it like it is. Like it or not.:cool:

[Mochan]

But its nice to see games like this on a videogame console for a change. Plus, you can say anything you want about Halo 3. Bottom line here is that Halo 3 most likely Will be your 2007 Game of the year. Nothing from the PS3 will be holding that honor. Thats just telling it like it is. Like it or not.

It might be your 2007 GOTY but no way in hell will it be my 2007 GOTY. I can say this with 100% certainty even without playing it.

[NEO-360]

It might be your 2007 GOTY but no way in hell will it be my 2007 GOTY. I can say this with 100% certainty even without playing it.

For me I'm sticking with Halo 3. The original Halo did it against MGS2:Sons Of Liberty many years ago. And I'm predicting that lightning will strike twice come next year. So with all the games that we know of thats coming for 2007 what do you think thats out there that could take the title from Halo 3 for GOTY honors? :)

[ilnadmy]

It might be your 2007 GOTY but no way in hell will it be my 2007 GOTY. I can say this with 100% certainty even without playing it.
You go gurrl.

And Neo, I said that IF a "true gamer" doesn't care about MGS, DMC, and FF, THEN rabies-infested monkeys care about Lost Planet. It was an if-then statement. I don't think rabies-infested monkeys care about Lost Planet obviously. No one cares about Lost Planet.

[folken001]

Having Neo predicting what's going to be GOTY of 2007 is like having a homeless guy naming hte TV show of 2007.

Reporter: "Sir, how would you know if you don't have a TV?"
Homless bum: "I just do"

[Mochan]

Neo, nothing will take away 07 GOTY honors from Halo 3 as long as it's you we're talking aobut.

If it were my 07 GOTY, it would be something else other than Halo 3, no questions asked.

Or are you talking about Gamespot GOTY 07, or GameSpy GOTY, or IGN GOTY, or what?

[ilnadmy]

No, see he's talking about GOTY like it was a global award.

[Mochan]

Which is what totally puzzles me.

[NEO-360]

You go gurrl.

And Neo, I said that IF a "true gamer" doesn't care about MGS, DMC, and FF, THEN rabies-infested monkeys care about Lost Planet. It was an if-then statement. I don't think rabies-infested monkeys care about Lost Planet obviously. No one cares about Lost Planet.

I'm a true gamer. And I do care about franchises like DMC, MGS,and FF. As far as Lost Planet goes? It appears to be a great game on the horizon for Xbox 360 owners. You're hating on it because you have nothing else to do. You dont care about Lost Planet. Good for you. Doesnt mean the game is going to suck just because you wish it so. But I'm only telling you what you already know.:cool:

[NEO-360]

Having Neo predicting what's going to be GOTY of 2007 is like having a homeless guy naming hte TV show of 2007.

Reporter: "Sir, how would you know if you don't have a TV?"
Homless bum: "I just do"

If it isnt a thread involving Sony what good is he? My sentiments exactly. Folken is about as useful around here as a condom with a hole in it during mack time. That sums up just about every Folken post in VGR for the last 5 years. Next.:p

But it doesnt surprise me that he chooses to throw crap and run rather than stand his ground like most guys with a pair would do around here.Seems to be alot of "unicks" running around VGR these days.

But if you haters dont think Halo 3 will be your 2007 GOTY whats good enough to take the crown then? Anybody? I'm all ears! :D

[NEO-360]

Neo, nothing will take away 07 GOTY honors from Halo 3 as long as it's you we're talking aobut.

If it were my 07 GOTY, it would be something else other than Halo 3, no questions asked.

Or are you talking about Gamespot GOTY 07, or GameSpy GOTY, or IGN GOTY, or what?

Thats all I asked. Apparrently you dont seem to have an answer for me. All you know is that in your humble opinion that the 2007 GOTY wont be Halo 3. Thats so lame. At least have something to counter it with. Instead you're doing what Slade and Folken do better than anyone:DODGE AND RUN LIKE HELL from a good question.

Whenever you can Mochan feel free to answer that simple little question of mine. What do you think is good enough to take the crown from Halo 3 for GOTY honors? Simple question. :cool:

[NEO-360]

No, see he's talking about GOTY like it was a global award.

Halo 3 seems to be the most anticipated game for 2007 already. I dont see anything standing in its way from becoming the 2007 GOTY. If you think there is something out there on the horizon that has a much better chance to win it feel free to voice it. The floor is yours. You always have something to say. Heres your chance to let it out.:incazzato:

[ilnadmy]

I'm a true gamer. And I do care about franchises like DMC, MGS,and FF. As far as Lost Planet goes? It appears to be a great game on the horizon for Xbox 360 owners. You're hating on it because you have nothing else to do. You dont care about Lost Planet. Good for you. Doesnt mean the game is going to suck just because you wish it so. But I'm only telling you what you already know.:cool:
I know you were agreeing with me, I was just...ugh never mind. You won't get it anyway.

[NEO-360]

It might be your 2007 GOTY but no way in hell will it be my 2007 GOTY. I can say this with 100% certainty even without playing it.

Can we say"labotomy?":idea:

[ilnadmy]

No we can't. We say "lobotomy".

[NEO-360]

No we can't. We say "lobotomy".

Either way it goes you knew what I was saying didnt ya? Yep.:D

[ilnadmy]

I'm the international spelling superhero. You can call me...Super Speller Man.

[Mochan]

Thats all I asked. Apparrently you dont seem to have an answer for me. All you know is that in your humble opinion that the 2007 GOTY wont be Halo 3. Thats so lame. At least have something to counter it with. Instead you're doing what Slade and Folken do better than anyone:DODGE AND RUN LIKE HELL from a good question.

Pot calling the kettle black.

Sheesh, that's because I also asked a question, it's not like you're answering it. What do you mean by GOTY anyway? Your personal GOTY? Gamespot's GOTY? What? I can't answer a question when I don't understand the question.

You're the one not answering my questions.

Going to however I interpret your question, what's my personal GOTY of 2007 probably going to be? I say Stalker.

Outside of myself, other bets are Hellgate London, Spore, Crysis (if it comes out on time) and of course MGS4 and maybe, just maybe, DMC4 (not likely). Stalker will probably NOT be a gaming site's pick for GOTY; these European games NEVER make it to the website awards.

[folken001]

Pot calling the kettle black.

Sheesh, that's because I also asked a question, it's not like you're answering it. What do you mean by GOTY anyway? Your personal GOTY? Gamespot's GOTY? What? I can't answer a question when I don't understand the question.

You're the one not answering my questions.

Going to however I interpret your question, what's my personal GOTY of 2007 probably going to be? I say Stalker.

Outside of myself, other bets are Hellgate London, Spore, Crysis (if it comes out on time) and of course MGS4 and maybe, just maybe, DMC4 (not likely). Stalker will probably NOT be a gaming site's pick for GOTY; these European games NEVER make it to the website awards.
The answer is he doens't know himself. He just likes to stir sh1t up.

[NEO-360]

Pot calling the kettle black.

Sheesh, that's because I also asked a question, it's not like you're answering it. What do you mean by GOTY anyway? Your personal GOTY? Gamespot's GOTY? What? I can't answer a question when I don't understand the question.

You're the one not answering my questions.

Going to however I interpret your question, what's my personal GOTY of 2007 probably going to be? I say Stalker.

Outside of myself, other bets are Hellgate London, Spore, Crysis (if it comes out on time) and of course MGS4 and maybe, just maybe, DMC4 (not likely). Stalker will probably NOT be a gaming site's pick for GOTY; these European games NEVER make it to the website awards.

I am talking about what do you think overall will be some of the top candidates for the 2007 GOTY? Your personal GOTY. My top personal GOTY pick for 2007 is Halo 3. The only game I see that will be in the running for that crown is MGS4. Considering that the 1st Halo took the crown from Metal Gear Solid 2 many years ago me thinks lightning could be striking twice on this issue. We'll just have to wait and see.

Is Hellgate London,Stalker, Spore,and Crysis all PC games? If they are then thats cool if we are talking about whats the PC GOTY of 2007 is going to be. But as far as videogame consoles go what do you think overall will be the top candidates for GOTY in 2007 Mochan? IMO I dont think nothing stands a chance against Halo 3. Nothing.:cool:

[NEO-360]

The answer is he doens't know himself. He just likes to stir sh1t up.

Besides riding me like a bad case of Elephantitis I havent seen you post what you think will be top candidates for the 2007 GOTY. So Folken, what do you think will be good enough to take the crown from Halo 3 for GOTY honors come next year? :confused:

C'mon Capt. Sony gimme a couple of real good games coming out for the PS3 that will snatch the crown from Bungie. I'm all ears. I do like to stir stuff up from time to time. But at least I'm talking about a thread subject instead of hanging around like an unwanted net at the dinner table.:cool:

Saying that Halo 3 WILL win GOTY for 2007 is a bold prediction. A prediction that I'm sticking with. Plus add in the possibility that if Sony continues to lose exclusive after exclusive the momentum is truly going to lie with MS during the next gen war in 2007.

So Folken, show us that you still have a pair and give us your personal picks for GOTY honors for 2007? And please no beating around the bush or giving others"Dr.Phil" advise on how to dodge me just answer the question please. If you cant answer the question without all that hoopla then do us all a favor? Have a coke and a smile and shut..... well you know the rest.:thumbsup:

[folken001]

Besides riding me like a bad case of Elephantitis I havent seen you post what you think will be top candidates for the 2007 GOTY. So Folken, what do you think will be good enough to take the crown from Halo 3 for GOTY honors come next year? :confused:

C'mon Capt. Sony gimme a couple of real good games coming out for the PS3 that will snatch the crown from Bungie. I'm all ears. I do like to stir stuff up from time to time. But at least I'm talking about a thread subject instead of hanging around like an unwanted net at the dinner table.:cool:

Saying that Halo 3 WILL win GOTY for 2007 is a bold prediction. A prediction that I'm sticking with. Plus add in the possibility that if Sony continues to lose exclusive after exclusive the momentum is truly going to lie with MS during the next gen war in 2007.

So Folken, show us that you still have a pair and give us your personal picks for GOTY honors for 2007? And please no beating around the bush or giving others"Dr.Phil" advise on how to dodge me just answer the question please. If you cant answer the question without all that hoopla then do us all a favor? Have a coke and a smile and shut..... well you know the rest.:thumbsup:

Seeing how desperately you need the help, i'll throw one in just because new year is near.

I don't care what GOTY of 2007 is and frankly I don't think how you can tell when we aren't even in 2007 yet. What's even funnier is that you are predicting a game on a console you don't even have. And what's even more retarded is that you picked a game that is claimed to be released at the end of 2007. I think Halo 3 is very likely to be delayed into 2008.

[Mochan]

Well seeing as how it's my personal Goty, I'll choose all the PC games I want. Spore & Crysis aren't PC-only games, though, and I noted some console picks too.

[NEO-360]

Seeing how desperately you need the help, i'll throw one in just because new year is near.

I don't care what GOTY of 2007 is and frankly I don't think how you can tell when we aren't even in 2007 yet. What's even funnier is that you are predicting a game on a console you don't even have. And what's even more retarded is that you picked a game that is claimed to be released at the end of 2007. I think Halo 3 is very likely to be delayed into 2008.

If you didnt care what GOTY of 2007 is going to be why did you reply then? :idea:

From what I've read about thats coming on the horizon I dont see anything other than MGS4 that has a chance in hell in taking the top honor of GOTY of 2007 from Bungie with Halo 3. Nothing. Plus Halo 3 will be released on time.

I read just last month a 17-page article inside EGM on Halo 3. Everything from how great the game is playing,to how great the new weapons are, all the way to the time frame the game should be released worldwide. And it'll be out this year to meet MGS4 head on when its released.Nice try though.

No I dont have a 360 yet.(But I plan on owning one in about 3 months) But yet you talk ill about Xbox games and we all know you dont own one 001.Imagine that. There is nothing wrong with making predictions about 2007. Especially when its the most anticipated game of 2007.Dont be mad when that prediction of mine becomes a harsh reality.:thumbsup:

[NEO-360]

Well seeing as how it's my personal Goty, I'll choose all the PC games I want. Spore & Crysis aren't PC-only games, though, and I noted some console picks too.

Thank you very much Mochan. I wish others were as lucid as you are.:D

[Mochan]

Don't underestimate a Call Center Professional! My livelihood is in answering questions!

[Robert-The-Rambler]

Don't underestimate a Call Center Professional! My livelihood is in answering questions!

The pay kind of sucks.

[Gadfly2317]

Is Hellgate London,Stalker, Spore,and Crysis all PC games? If they are then thats cool if we are talking about whats the PC GOTY of 2007 is going to be. But as far as videogame consoles go what do you think overall will be the top candidates for GOTY in 2007 Mochan? IMO I dont think nothing stands a chance against Halo 3. Nothing.:cool:

GOTY is GOTY. . . not "Console GOTY". . . ."Console GOTY" is a sub-category.

It seems a little dumb to speculate on 2007's GOTY when we don't even have a total idea of what exactly will even be released this year, but certainly Spore--with its ambitious originality-- stands a chance of being a more realistic GOTY contender than the third installment of an over-rated console Xbox FPS.

At the same time, it doesn't really matter how good Halo 3 is, some fanboy site out there is going to call it GOTY. And what do you care anyway, you don't even have a 360. Aren't you still posting from county jail?

[NEO-360]

GOTY is GOTY. . . not "Console GOTY". . . ."Console GOTY" is a sub-category.

It seems a little dumb to speculate on 2007's GOTY when we don't even have a total idea of what exactly will even be released this year, but certainly Spore--with its ambitious originality-- stands a chance of being a more realistic GOTY contender than the third installment of an over-rated console Xbox FPS.

At the same time, it doesn't really matter how good Halo 3 is, some fanboy site out there is going to call it GOTY. And what do you care anyway, you don't even have a 360. Aren't you still posting from county jail?

And why is it dumb to be talking about GOTY candidates on the horizon for 2007? Most of us know what games is coming for the Xbox 360, the PS3,and the Wii. You can take it from there. Right now I dont believe that anything should take the crown from Bungie this year. Halo 3 IMO is the most anticipated game for this year.

I'm not saying that there isnt some nice contenders to challenge for that honor. Not at all. But I think Halo 3 may have that sewed up already. Yes it is a bold predicition. But I'm sticking with it. Spore has a more realistic chance to be a more realistic GOTY contender than Halo? LOL! Thats the best joke you've told yet Gadfly. :D

Does Spore have a fanbase that rivals Halo? Highly unlikely. So to even mention Spore in the same sentence as Halo is indeed a slap in the face. No I dont have a 360 yet. But by the time Halo 3 does arrive I'll have one. Count on that. Why do I care? Why not? I love the videogame world. If most of us didnt care we wouldnt be here in VGR would we? Food for thought Gadfly.

County jail huh? Well you had to find out where you were conceived sometime.:D

[Mochan]

Spore has a more realistic chance to be a more realistic GOTY contender than Halo? LOL! Thats the best joke you've told yet Gadfly.

Not so dumb when you think about it. The Sims bagged top honors and is the best selling computer game ever, it was GOTY before Halo and all that jazz. Spore has a fanbase that rivals Halo? It probably has one that dwarfs Halo's.... Spore's fanbase are the same people who played the original Sim City. These people are all around the world in droves.

Halo 3 the most anticipated game this year? Spore was one of the most anticipated games last year. And this year. On multiple systems, not just on the Xbox. And with all the innovations Spore is bringing to the table, not to mention its inherent replayability, and its availabilty and accessibility on many systems (not just an Xbox 360), it has a very good shot at being GOTY.

[Gadfly2317]

I'm not saying that there isnt some nice contenders to challenge for that honor. Not at all. But I think Halo 3 may have that sewed up already. Yes it is a bold predicition. But I'm sticking with it. Spore has a more realistic chance to be a more realistic GOTY contender than Halo? LOL! Thats the best joke you've told yet Gadfly. :D

Does Spore have a fanbase that rivals Halo? Highly unlikely. So to even mention Spore in the same sentence as Halo is indeed a slap in the face.

Publications don't pick GOTY because of fanbase but because of a lot of factors including quality, originality, depth, graphics. . .a lot of factors, fanbase being one of the least.

If you are going by fanbase (especially amongst editors and long time gamers), Wii's Mario Galaxy--if it is pulled off with the same level of brilliance and originality we saw in Twilight Princess this year--could be a 2007 GOTY contender. Or it could be another Mario Sunshine. Or 2007 GOTY could be the next Grand Theft Auto--and going by fanbase and past GOTY nods, that's a better prediction than Halo 3. Or both Halo 3 and GTA5 could be eclipsed by some new craze.

That's the problem with sequels, you never know when one is going to exceed all expectations set by the franchise, or if its going to finally hit that point where even if its a really great game in its own right, it starts feeling like last years news, an old thing, not the hot new thing. And that is the same pitfall Halo 3 faces. We don't know what is going to get it right this year and grip people's imaginations.

Halo 3 might not even be the best game on 360 this year--much less overall GOTY. It could be Allen Wake. It could be Mass Effect. Who knows?

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Even I think Halo 3 is going to have a tough go at it. I'm really looking forward to it. But there are so many new original games coming out this year. I'll be surprised if Halo3 makes GOTY even for just the Xbox 360.

The problem it's going to face is that it has to me more of the same Bungie can't radically change the formula or the fanbase will be up in arms (unless they have a knock the ball out the park type of innovation). And it's going to be hard for a game even if it is better than the other two Halo's to GOTY when it will be more of the same but just refined.

I have no doubt though that it will be one of the 2 best sellers of the year. Halo 3 and GTA4.

[Mochan]

Halo 3 could end up like Call of Duty 3. Call of Duty was a real head-turner back with Call of Duty 1, but that success hasn't quite been replicated with 2, and certianly wasn't with 3. The problem is that Halo is just another game in a tired franchise, it's a great franchise no doubt even if I hate it, but unless the 3rd installment has a ton of unique new innovations and improvements it's just not going to have the same impact as its predecessors. Quake once upon a time was a revolutionary game that redefined the gaming world, today people aren't even giving Quake 4 the time of day (well mostly in the 360 world thanks to a lousy port). Quake Wars will do relatively well but will not be any kind of blockbuster I'm sure.

Surprisingly I am agreeing with DTM....

[ilnadmy]

Does Spore have a fanbase that rivals Halo?

Is Spore even out yet for you to make that kind of statement?

[NEO-360]

Is Spore even out yet for you to make that kind of statement?

Spore hasnt proven itself yet to even be labeled a potential"Franchise" like Halo already is.

Thank you ilnadmy.:cool:

[ilnadmy]

Oh dear lord. I wasn't agreeing with you. I'm saying you can't say "Spore doesn't have the same size fanbase as Halo" because Spore isn't even out yet so it doesn't even have a fanbase at all. And before you say, "My point exactly!" let me just say that whatever you say next, I don't agree with it. There. That settles that.

[NEO-360]

That's the problem with sequels, you never know when one is going to exceed all expectations set by the franchise, or if its going to finally hit that point where even if its a really great game in its own right, it starts feeling like last years news, an old thing, not the hot new thing.

In that case since you feel that way about sequels Gadfly I guess its safe to say that the same thing can be said about Devil May Cry 4 and Metal Gear Solid 4 couldnt it? Yep. I'll keep that in mind.

Halo 3 no doubt will be among one of the top candidates for the 2007 GOTY. Granted there are alot of games out there on the horizon thats causing alot of buzz. When you look at some of the past winners of GOTY honors Zelda, Halo,and RPG's indeed have taken the top prize time and time again.

Alot of these other games are enigmas at this point. MGS has never won that coveted award. Is MGS4 good enough to be there this time around? I think so. Mario? LOL! Good enough to be best platform title for 2007 perhaps. But GOTY? Nope. Grand Theft Auto? LOL! Sorry. One of the best games for 2007? Most likely. GOTY material? Nah.

Everything from sports GOTY to FPS GOTY to RPG of the year and so on and so on. There are alot of great games on the horizon for all 3 consoles. No doubt about it.

Yes, there are alot of factors that determine what is in fact good enough to be considered a GOTY candidate. So far my # 1 pick is Halo 3. Everything else IMO is a toss-up.:thumbsup:

[ilnadmy]

Nah, MGS sequels are always so different from the previous iteration that they never suffer from sequelitis.

And didn't the original PS1 MGS win GOTY when it was released? I'm pretty sure it did...

[Mochan]

Yup, MGS installments never suffer from sequelitis; it's always something new each time. It's been that way since Metal Gear in the NES days. The next game may not be as good as the previous game, but it always tries to do things to keep things fresh and different from the last game. I don't know if MGS4 will be a good game, but from the story alone we know it's already doing some rather bold and daring things.

Halo 2 on the other hand was more of the same.

[NEO-360]

Nah, MGS sequels are always so different from the previous iteration that they never suffer from sequelitis.

And didn't the original PS1 MGS win GOTY when it was released? I'm pretty sure it did...

And the same thing that you said here can be said about Halo too.(Thanks again) Plus if that is the case about MGS winning GOTY for the PSX, do you know how long ago that was? There has been two MGS games since then. And neither one has won GOTY. MGS4 has a good chance though.:p

[NEO-360]

Yup, MGS installments never suffer from sequelitis; it's always something new each time. It's been that way since Metal Gear in the NES days. The next game may not be as good as the previous game, but it always tries to do things to keep things fresh and different from the last game. I don't know if MGS4 will be a good game, but from the story alone we know it's already doing some rather bold and daring things.

Halo 2 on the other hand was more of the same.

Halo 2 was more of the same? In Halo you couldnt play as a different character. You could play only with Master Chief. In Halo 2 you played with Master Chief and a Brute. Alot of different touches was added to Halo 2. But alot of what made Halo so great was inside the game as well.

Now what has changed so much in MGS2 & MGS3? The storyline has indeed been up & down. But everything else? Same. Other than having to change camouflauge make-up to match up with your clothes in order to blend in with environments what was so different about MGS3 when compared to MGS2? Hardly anything.

Btw, Metal Gear for the NES was indeed alot more of a true stealth game than MGS2 & MGS3 ever was.:aureola:

[ilnadmy]

Halo 2 is Halo with dual-wielding.

[Mochan]

Now what has changed so much in MGS2 & MGS3? The storyline has indeed been up & down. But everything else? Same. Other than having to change camouflauge make-up to match up with your clothes in order to blend in with environments what was so different about MGS3 when compared to MGS2? Hardly anything.

MGS2 *also* had you play 2 different characters. Also the storyline is an integral part of the game and is a huge part of the experience, and they way the storyline morphed into new directions was a huge change in the experience (albeit not necessarily a better one).

The special set piece stages in MGS2 are also all different of course; since MGS has boss fights the changes in the boss fights will always totally offer new experiences that are more dynamic than level design changes you will get in a run and gun shooter. Not to mention the level design in MGS2 alone offered a lot of change in variety from the first game. Ditto MGS3.

And MGS3 changed the way the game played a lot with its camera, the hunting, camou, and guard alerts who did not quite give up the way they did in the first two games. I admit I did not like MGS3 as much as I did the first few games, like I said the changes aren't necessarily making the game better, but the point we were discussing was sequelitis.

Halo 2 on the other hand was definitely just more of the same Halo. Story is not integral to the experience either, and dual wield was probably the biggest difference gameplay-wise outside of the multiplayer (which was pretty much just standard FPS multiplayer options)

[NEO-360]

Halo 2 is Halo with dual-wielding.

The gameplay of Halo 2 was also improved over the original in alot of areas. MGS gameplay hasnt changed at all. Besides people still play Halo 2 online to this day. Who still plays MGS3 these days? :thumbsup:

[Mochan]

Game longevity has no bearing on its sequelitis rating.

As for Halo gameplay improvements, what were there? Other than Dual Wielding.

MGS changed the name of the game entirely in 3, 3 played more like Splinter Cell than Metal Gear. Camou plus the AI difference plus hunting plus the very noticeable pacing change (MGS1 and MGS2 were more "run and gun" but MGS3 was more SC-like if you would) and camera difference, it radically changed how the game played.

[NEO-360]

Game longevity has no bearing on its sequelitis rating.

As for Halo gameplay improvements, what were there? Other than Dual Wielding.

MGS changed the name of the game entirely in 3, 3 played more like Splinter Cell than Metal Gear. Camou plus the AI difference plus hunting plus the very noticeable pacing change (MGS1 and MGS2 were more "run and gun" but MGS3 was more SC-like if you would) and camera difference, it radically changed how the game played.

MGS3 was more SC-like? LOL! Thats a good one. I could tell the way "The End" was chasing me down with that sniper rifle.:rolleyes:

MGS was very tactical. And it involved more stealth. MGS2 was run and gun and hide. MGS3? Had its moments.The camera helped.But it didnt change one thing outside of that though. Overall it was run and gun and camouflague alot. Doesnt compare to the true essence of stealth when compared to SC though. Not even close.

Halo 2 was in fact a slightly better version of the original Halo. Plain and simple.With alot of extra touches to make the gameplay even better. Not perfect, but a little better. Same can be said about MGS3. To a certain degree. But comparing both games to their original counterparts? I'll take the original MGS and Halo anyday.:thumbsup:

[ilnadmy]

Halo 2 was in fact a slightly better version of the original Halo.

There, you said it yourself. MGS3 on the other hand took place in a damn jungle for crying out loud. Have you EVER played a stealth game in a jungle? The radar was changed, CQC was added (just a fancier way to fight hand-to-hand, but you could slit people's throats :D), it gave us probably the best boss fight in a video game to date (The End), and was just plain fun.

Halo 2 was Halo on steroids, just like you said. The Halo series isn't one that is going to change radically every iteration because the first game wasn't imaginative to begin with.

[Mochan]

MGS was very tactical. And it involved more stealth. MGS2 was run and gun and hide. MGS3? Had its moments.The camera helped.But it didnt change one thing outside of that though. Overall it was run and gun and camouflague alot. Doesnt compare to the true essence of stealth when compared to SC though. Not even close.


And what does that have to do with our discussion? We're discussing how the MGS games change with each iteration. You yourself pretty much just pointed out the changes in your post I quoted above. Whereas Halo 2 was just "a slightly better version of Halo."

Face it, the MGS series changes with each iteration and avoids the "sequelitis" trap whereas Halo does not.

And oh I have *never* said that MGS was a better "stealth" game than Splinter Cell, I have only ever claimed that MGS is the better overall experience. In terms of actual stealth mechanics Splinter Cell is above MGS. I've said this over and over and over but of course you being you this always flies over your head.

[NEO-360]

There, you said it yourself. MGS3 on the other hand took place in a damn jungle for crying out loud. Have you EVER played a stealth game in a jungle? The radar was changed, CQC was added (just a fancier way to fight hand-to-hand, but you could slit people's throats :D), it gave us probably the best boss fight in a video game to date (The End), and was just plain fun.

Halo 2 was Halo on steroids, just like you said. The Halo series isn't one that is going to change radically every iteration because the first game wasn't imaginative to begin with.

Yep. But Halo 2 still felt like a totally different game than the original. And thats good enough. Have I ever played a stealth game in the jungle? Yeah. But I've played better than what I saw for myself in MGS3 in the jungle.

The best boss fight in a videogame to date fighing that old koot? I dont think so. IMO the best boss battle to date was in MGS fighting Solid Snake. Considering what all you had to do just to visibly see the bastard before you could kill him will always stick in my mind as one of the best boss battles ever in MGS history.:thumbsup:

[ilnadmy]

Have I ever played a stealth game in the jungle? Yeah.

ORLY? Name that game.

[NEO-360]

MGS3 and Splinter Cell:Pandora Tomorrow.:cool:

[Mochan]

Well Hitman 1 had a jungle stage.

Speaking of Hitman, I think I still prefer Hitman to Splinter Cell, but I haven't played the latest Splinter Cell and Hitman games yet so I'll withhold judgement.

[ilnadmy]

The whole of Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow was in the jungle? Or just the one level in Indonesia?

Yeah that's what I thought.

[Cuddly Knife]

I didn't know where to post this, so I just will stick it here.

I read in the new EGM that there are a few more exclusives for the PS3 that are getting bumped to 2008 becuase the game companies want to wait for a larger user base for the PS3, and some are becoming timed exclusive also because of that reason.

Capcom also confirmed that Dead Rising 2 will be exclusive for the 360. Good news for me, not so much for Glock and RBH.

Hmmm. DMC4 360 is looking more real by the day.

[slade]

Capcom also confirmed that Dead Rising 2 will be exclusive for the 360. Good news for me, not so much for Glock and RBH.

Hmmm. DMC4 360 is looking more real by the day.

Capcom hasn't confirmed anything about DR2 including the formal announcement on whether they are actually working on the game. Although they probably will considering how well it has sold thus far. What you read though was an EGM rumor which also stated that MS forked over a lot of cash to keep DR2 exclusive to 360.

[Cuddly Knife]

Ah, my bad then.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

Maniacal Milkdrinkers. Damn can you guys admit that there is a issue with Sony losing exlusives?

And for the record the 360 are introducing more new franchises than the PS3.

Halo Wars
Lost Planet
Dead Rising
Chrome Hounds
Ninty Nine Nights
Mass Effect
Kane & Lynch
Condemend
Kameo
Viva Pinata
Gears of War
Too Human
Blue Dragon
Lost Oddesey


Don't forget ALAN WAKE

[ilnadmy]

I bet Sony is cooking up some new games, they just haven't released any info on them yet. Off the top of my head I remember stuff like Eight Days and Heavenly Sword for example. Then you have all the new franchises that were started in the PS2's lifetime, like God of War, Jak and Daxter, Ratchet and Clank, Killzone, The Getaway, etc... MS didn't give us many new franchises for the original Xbox, so overall I'd say they even out.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

I bet Sony is cooking up some new games, they just haven't released any info on them yet. Off the top of my head I remember stuff like Eight Days and Heavenly Sword for example. Then you have all the new franchises that were started in the PS2's lifetime, like God of War, Jak and Daxter, Ratchet and Clank, Killzone, The Getaway, etc... MS didn't give us many new franchises for the original Xbox, so overall I'd say they even out.


There's a lot of hub bub around MGS4 being the game to really show off the PS3 and that's the game a lot of people are waiting for before they get one. The hell with that GOD of WAR is THEE Playstion Franchise IMHO. Whenever God of War 3 get's hear I'll be on board. Hell I settle for a PS3 version of God of War 2.

[Gadfly2317]

I bet Sony is cooking up some new games, they just haven't released any info on them yet.

If they have something big that's very far in development at all, i.e. good screens and vids to show off, Sony would be utterly stupid not to start putting that info out there to build excitement and give people a reason to buy the system.

I'm starting to feel like that even the Ps3 will not be the next Dreamcast, it may well be the next N64.

It feels like the Ps3 is pulling an N64. . . coming in a year late with only one decent title (and not even a revolutionary title the way Mario64 was.) And losing third party support. With very little third party exclusives, it seems that the Ps3--like Nintendos consoles over the last few years--is going to be a purchase most justified by the first party titles.

All this really means to me is that it looks like the Ps3 will survive, and be a good system with many must-play games, but that Sony's console dominance is over. I don't think the titles will be as sparse as N64 because gaming is so much bigger now, but the loss of dominance and the loss of exclusives combined with the red-ink this system is bleeding for Sony will damage the company deeply. Without software dominance, they may never recoup the hardware losses.

[ilnadmy]

It feels like the Ps3 is pulling an N64. . . coming in a year late with only one decent title (and not even a revolutionary title the way Mario64 was.)

You know, the way the Wii launched is pretty much the same. Only 1 must-have game (Zelda), and no serious exclusives on the horizon. By "serious" I mean a real story-driven game, and not a gimmicky game that plays off the Wii controller.

[Gadfly2317]

You know, the way the Wii launched is pretty much the same. Only 1 must-have game (Zelda), and no serious exclusives on the horizon. By "serious" I mean a real story-driven game, and not a gimmicky game that plays off the Wii controller.

Yeah, but Nintendo already put itself on the downhill with the N64 move; The Wii has more than one exclusive launch title, even if Zelda is the only AAA one, and judging by the sales, Nintendo is definitely on the upswing.

That aside, I think very few would dismiss out of hand the likelyhood that the way things have gone for Sony do very well indicate a downswing.

[NEO-360]

I bet Sony is cooking up some new games, they just haven't released any info on them yet. Off the top of my head I remember stuff like Eight Days and Heavenly Sword for example. Then you have all the new franchises that were started in the PS2's lifetime, like God of War, Jak and Daxter, Ratchet and Clank, Killzone, The Getaway, etc... MS didn't give us many new franchises for the original Xbox, so overall I'd say they even out.

:sleep:

[RandomTask]

Diehard? I thought you said you didn't even own a 360?

Anyway, regardless of what folken may or may not know, most everyone here knows what Halo war is. Just because it is Masterchief staring in another type of game, it doesn't mean its a new IP I don't think. It's like Mario starring in those RPG's, as opposed to his usual platforming antics.

One day, after the MS's xbox division is dead and buried like dozens of other consoles, Master Chef will be in Super Smash Brothers, and then we can finally test out the Samus vs. Master Chef theories. Should be a lot of fun to use the grapple hook to rip off his head, fling it into the sky, and boomheadshot the wretched thing in mid air like we was skeet shootin'!

Haha. Master Chief is Samus' Pimp! Samus is trick a** ho. As soon as she would transform into her little retarded ball form, Master Chief would cut her in half with a plasma sword, then spin donuts in hers remains with the warthog!

Master Chief pwns Samus
ANY Splinter Cell agent would pwn Snake (and then scalp him of his stupid mullet)

Xbox360 pwns PS3!

...and you are high if you think Xbox is going down. Don't hate because your friends don't want to come over and WATCH you play Devil May Cry(like a little girl) or Metal Gear, because they are playing multiplayer games on a 360. Sooo sick of these fangirls ie: Mocha, that only like games containing transexual characters with queer looking trenchcoats. Tired of the Anime looking characters. Anime WOULD be cool if all the characters weren't so Sally looking. Which is why I can't stand to play ANY of the Japanese RPG's. NONE of the characters look like men. Tired of having to figure out the sex of characters from these retarded games with terrible voice acting, and Nancy cutscenes.

[Superjoint Ritual]

Haha. Master Chief is Samus' Pimp! Samus is trick a** ho. As soon as she would transform into her little retarded ball form, Master Chief would cut her in half with a plasma sword, then spin donuts in hers remains with the warthog!

Master Chief pwns Samus
ANY Splinter Cell agent would pwn Snake (and then scalp him of his stupid mullet)

Xbox360 pwns PS3!

...and you are high if you think Xbox is going down. Don't hate because your friends don't want to come over and WATCH you play Devil May Cry(like a little girl) or Metal Gear, because they are playing multiplayer games on a 360. Sooo sick of these fangirls ie: Mocha, that only like games containing transexual characters with queer looking trenchcoats. Tired of the Anime looking characters. Anime WOULD be cool if all the characters weren't so Sally looking. Which is why I can't stand to play ANY of the Japanese RPG's. NONE of the characters look like men. Tired of having to figure out the sex of characters from these retarded games with terrible voice acting, and Nancy cutscenes. This is why you say no kids.

[Gadfly2317]

. Which is why I can't stand to play ANY of the Japanese RPG's. NONE of the characters look like men.

So you like looking at men, eh? REAL men.

Hey, that's cool, I'm no bigot--if macho men are your preference that's cool. But its always bothered me how butch-on-butch muscle-bound guys are so violent towards the nancies. You've done time in prison, haven't you?

[NEO-360]

Haha. Master Chief is Samus' Pimp! Samus is trick a** ho. As soon as she would transform into her little retarded ball form, Master Chief would cut her in half with a plasma sword, then spin donuts in hers remains with the warthog!

Master Chief pwns Samus
ANY Splinter Cell agent would pwn Snake (and then scalp him of his stupid mullet)

Xbox360 pwns PS3!

...and you are high if you think Xbox is going down. Don't hate because your friends don't want to come over and WATCH you play Devil May Cry(like a little girl) or Metal Gear, because they are playing multiplayer games on a 360. Sooo sick of these fangirls ie: Mocha, that only like games containing transexual characters with queer looking trenchcoats. Tired of the Anime looking characters. Anime WOULD be cool if all the characters weren't so Sally looking. Which is why I can't stand to play ANY of the Japanese RPG's. NONE of the characters look like men. Tired of having to figure out the sex of characters from these retarded games with terrible voice acting, and Nancy cutscenes.

Nothing wrong with Japanese RPG's. I love all RPG's.And I love Anime as well. But to each his/ her own.:p