It's been out for a year? Wh-what?

[ilnadmy]

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/748/748098p1.html

Great article on IGN talking about how mediocre this holiday season was for the 360.

I have heard Microsoft executives say to wait until next fall. "Oh well, wait until you see what we have next year!" Do they ever get tired of saying that? Everybody says that every year. There is always next fall. And then the year after that, there is another after that, and so on. The time is now. Microsoft, you launched one year early for a reason, right? Stick it to Sony now. Don't let them have an inch. Sony grabbed the market in fall 2001 and never let go. It pummeled Microsoft and Nintendo. Where is Microsoft in fall of 2006? It's scraping by with Gears of War, Viva Pinata and three Burger King games. Get real.

So.

Yeah.

Honestly, this is what's keeping me from buying a 360. Well, this and the fact that it won't get the good Japanese games. But like I've said time and time again...where are the AAA must-haves? Gears of War is pretty much it. Hell, I'll throw Dead Rising and Saints' Row in there too, even though they're not true must-buys. I gotta ask, why did MS release a year early if it doesn't have the games to fill it? Yeah it sold 10 million systems, but that's only because it didn't have any next-gen competition. To be quite honest, MS got spared a pounding because Sony f***ed up so much, but even so it looks ready to ship 1 million PS3s by year-end.

What gives MS? Where are your juggernauts? Where are your powerhouses? And where the hell did those 365 days go?

[thelastword]

Crazy isn't it, what we've been saying all along, I guess it's easy for xbots to convince themselves. Hey! I was thinking of getting a 360 recently with Gears two controllers a remote and the charger for just over $500.00, I was thinking maybe I should go the same way as last gen, as Nintendo is just not convincing me with their gameplan at all. So of course I'm getting the PS3 as soon as I can lay hold on one, but I was thinking perhaps I could squeeze the box in advance, but then I heard that Gears is coming to the PC, this console just keeps defeating it's own self. I've got the 8800GTX from EVGA with a 4200+ dual core on the 590 chipset with the 7.1 S750 gigaworks for sound and a 24" widescreen monitor, simply, I'll play the superior version of gears with less gitches when it pops on that platform. DTM said that I mentioned games coming to the PC that's not, so I guess Bioware isn't coming to the PC, I mean DTM said it :rolleyes:.

When I look at what's coming to the PS3 in mere months after release, I'm pretty sure right now, that I won't need a second console at all, considering that my PC can play all of these upcoming games including GRAW2 at 1900 X 1200, yes with everything on. PS3 has VF5 in February, Motorstorm, Hsword, Lair in march and who knows what else. GTHD with ten cars including the ferrari as a demo on christmas EVE. DMC4, Warhawk and Ratchet to follow in quick succession after March. The Europeans will have the best launch ever IMO and with downloads such as flow, blast factor and calling all cars starting to rumble, frankly, I'm not even sure the MS console product is for me anymore. When more games come out to that system I'll sift through to see whether enough exclusives will warrant a purchase, but as it is, I'm still working through my PS2 backlog and you just can't play everything so I might just pass on it alltogether.

[ilnadmy]

To be fair, I will say that the 360 is a better choice for a non-PC gamer than for a PC gamer, and that has always been the Xbox brand's strength. However, with multiplat seeming more and more palatable these days, and with the increase in consoles' graphical prowess this gen, I would say that a PS3 gamer is increasingly able to experience those games too.

What I'm trying to show here, and what the article discusses, is that the 360 has not shown anything to solidify its position as the forerunner in the console race. It is the #1 console by default, not design, as the article eloquently states. It's sold a lot of systems because there was nothing else out there, period.

In 2001, Sony smote the brains out of Microsoft and Nintendo with the greatest fall line-up ever -- it had everything, from Ico to Metal Gear Solid 2 to Devil May Cry to Grand Theft Auto III and Final Fantasy X. This fall, we've got Gears of War, Viva Pinata, Dead or Alive Xtreme 2, Splinter Cell Double Agent and three Burger King games. Are you psyched or what?

Hell, even Xbots' arguments are: "Wait 'till you see what's coming out next year!" Shiii... PS3 SUPPORTERS ARE MAKING THE EXACT SAME ARGUMENT, AND THE PS3 WAS RELEASED LAST MONTH! There's something seriously wrong with that situation.

[Mochan]

That's why people should game on PCs, we got the games now, AND we got them coming in next year, too!

[NEO-360]

Crazy isn't it, what we've been saying all along, I guess it's easy for xbots to convince themselves. Hey! I was thinking of getting a 360 recently with Gears two controllers a remote and the charger for just over $500.00, I was thinking maybe I should go the same way as last gen, as Nintendo is just not convincing me with their gameplan at all. So of course I'm getting the PS3 as soon as I can lay hold on one, but I was thinking perhaps I could squeeze the box in advance, but then I heard that Gears is coming to the PC, this console just keeps defeating it's own self. I've got the 8800GTX from EVGA with a 4200+ dual core on the 590 chipset with the 7.1 S750 gigaworks for sound and a 24" widescreen monitor, simply, I'll play the superior version of gears with less gitches when it pops on that platform. DTM said that I mentioned games coming to the PC that's not, so I guess Bioware isn't coming to the PC, I mean DTM said it :rolleyes:.

When I look at what's coming to the PS3 in mere months after release, I'm pretty sure right now, that I won't need a second console at all, considering that my PC can play all of these upcoming games including GRAW2 at 1900 X 1200, yes with everything on. PS3 has VF5 in February, Motorstorm, Hsword, Lair in march and who knows what else. GTHD with ten cars including the ferrari as a demo on christmas EVE. DMC4, Warhawk and Ratchet to follow in quick succession after March. The Europeans will have the best launch ever IMO and with downloads such as flow, blast factor and calling all cars starting to rumble, frankly, I'm not even sure the MS console product is for me anymore. When more games come out to that system I'll sift through to see whether enough exclusives will warrant a purchase, but as it is, I'm still working through my PS2 backlog and you just can't play everything so I might just pass on it alltogether.

Their are more Xbox 360's in peoples homes than PS3's isnt it? Yep. SO why are we writing threads like this? Yes PS3 wayyyyyyyyyyyy down the horizon has games coming.Best games not until the mid way point of 2007.(enjoy the wait)

But guess what? So does the 360. Bioshock,GRAW 2, Lost Planet, Phantasy Star,Assassin's Creed, Grand Theft Auto, Resident Evil 5, and a little game called HALO 3! So believe me both consoles will have plenty to entertain whomever buys them. I thought GTHD for the PS3 was canned? Since you had to pay for those downloads. Hmm..?

Just about everything thats going to be on the PS3 is also coming to the 360. Yeah, I read about them rushing VF5 for it can arrive in Febuary. 17 fighters, 2 extras one added that wasnt in the arcade version, and one more character can be added by a create-a-fighter feature. Sounds okay. I didnt know people still played fighting games much anymore.

I dunno if thats the game thats going to make people holla come february though. Considering that God Of War 2 for the PS2 will be coming out around that time.I'll be picking up God Of War 2 myself. Dont get it twisted boys and girls and milk drinkers of America. The 360 is doing better than the PS3 currently is. Right now Sony has to catch Nintendo first before they can even start talking about MS. I mean the PS3 has been labled one of the biggest diappointments for 2006.

Not to mention Time magazine has them labled as the same. So if you plan on owning a PS3 I say good for you. But if you own either a PS3 or a 360 you are in great shape considering how many great games on coming in 2007 for both consoles. Dont get it twisted milk drinkers. :cool:

[ilnadmy]

Yes PS3 wayyyyyyyyyyyy down the horizon has games coming.Best games not until the mid way point of 2007.(enjoy the wait)

But guess what? So does the 360.

That's exactly what we're saying. The 360 has games coming wayyyyyyyyy down the horizon. It has f***-all right now.

[NEO-360]

That's exactly what we're saying. The 360 has games coming wayyyyyyyyy down the horizon. It has f***-all right now.

In addition, there are plenty of games down the horizon for the 360. Plus right now Gears Of War is the game that everyone has in their sights to own if they dont already. 2 million copies worldwide. Thats more than any PS3 game has done in one months time.

The 360 has been out over a year and currently there are more 360's inside the homes of gamers than PS3's. With about 5 million consoles in the bag and scoring a runaway hit like GOW selling as well as it has its clearly been a cool year for the Xbox 360. Who currently is the biggest disappointment? Not the 360. And not the Wii. Who's left? The PS3.:thumbsup:

[folken001]

This is probably the only thing that Xbots are completely clueless about. All they need from the system is that few games to keep them interested and everything else M$ fails to do is all justified. They would probably say something about the online play. But, that's just another excuse in my opinion.

On a personal note, it's funny how Neo360 replies every thread, every post and every argument with the same old "Every xbox360 owner wants GoW but hardly one third of XBox360 owners bought it" or "PS3 sucks at selling. Why can't they sell 3 million units even though they have only been able to produce 1 million units right now" So on and so on.

That is exactly why I don't reply to him. It's like talking to a retard. You'd only get the same old nonsense answer from him over and over. You can't blame the retard though because it is you who should've known better.

[Gadfly2317]

That is exactly why I don't reply to him. It's like talking to a retard. You'd only get the same old nonsense answer from him over and over. You can't blame the retard though because it is you who should've known better.

I wish I could do the same. I have no idea why I continue to try and find a way to reason with him, to break through his thick skull and actually help him comprehend. I feel like that episode of X-Files, the one with the pizza-delivery Vampire who had no choice but to tie shoestrings if they were untied.

[folken001]

I wish I could do the same. I have no idea why I continue to try and find a way to reason with him, to break through his thick skull and actually help him comprehend. I feel like that episode of X-Files, the one with the pizza-delivery Vampire who had no choice but to tie shoestrings if they were untied.
I think he's doing it on purpose. I'd really feel sorry for him if he's actually that dumb. But, I still say let's just stop replying to him because it's troublesome reading threads with his posts in it. It's like read read read skip skip skip read skip......

[thelastword]

But guess what? So does the 360. Bioshock,GRAW 2, Lost Planet, Phantasy Star,Assassin's Creed, Grand Theft Auto, Resident Evil 5, and a little game called HALO 3! So believe me both consoles will have plenty to entertain whomever buys them. I thought GTHD for the PS3 was canned? Since you had to pay for those downloads. Hmm..?You do like to use analogies don't you, ok, I'll tell you this, you're like this soldier coming into battle with no weapons, no meds, no food, you're completly bone dry, hell if this were an rpg (another analogy) you have just cast curaga on me as you were not equipped with demi.

If the games listed above are the reasons why I should buy a 360 then I'll never buy one. Hell, even in my post I made mention of GRAW2, then you talk about a whole wave of multiplats minus Halo and LP, that is the problem we're citing with the 360. GTA4,RE5,AC, PHANTASY STAR, GRAW 2 and BIOSHOCK are destined to other platforms, I know I'm going to buy the superior version of GTA4, RE5 for the PS3.

I never mention multiplats in my debate as to why the PS3 is the system to own even if these titles will be superior. I guess though, 360 owners and worshippers like yourself are just that dense, praising multiplats as primary reasons why they should own that console, no wonder you guys are so desperate for MGS, want it multiplat huh? It's clear why you guys blow a single good game way out proportion, it's because the box starves of the quantity of AAA exclusives that the playstation has. Frankly, I'm use to waves upon waves of triple A titles on playstation, hell, just the last couple of months had so many smacking titles for the PS fan..

As for the PS3, VF5 is due in february, HSword and Lair and Motorstorm in march, when is Halo3 dropping, I'll give you an exclusive, how about Forza2?



Just about everything thats going to be on the PS3 is also coming to the 360. Yeah, I read about them rushing VF5 for it can arrive in Febuary. 17 fighters, 2 extras one added that wasnt in the arcade version, and one more character can be added by a create-a-fighter feature. Sounds okay. I didnt know people still played fighting games much anymore. A game enhanced over arcade version B, which is the latest arcade version with all the balances and tweaks with an enhanced Dojo mode with a frame counter for veterans is rushing it, do you know how long VF5 has been out in the arcades? Do you know that people actually expected it at the PS3 launch? Do you know that the PS3 version has been in dev for about the same time as the arcade version? Do you know that the lindbergh architecture has much similarity to the PS3 GPU? When you do let me know, If you are the soldier designated for this battle you have now become a prisoner of war.


I dunno if thats the game thats going to make people holla come february though. Considering that God Of War 2 for the PS2 will be coming out around that time.I'll be picking up God Of War 2 myself. Dont get it twisted boys and girls and milk drinkers of America. The 360 is doing better than the PS3 currently is. Right now Sony has to catch Nintendo first before they can even start talking about MS. I mean the PS3 has been labled one of the biggest diappointments for 2006.

Hey, I've got a PS3 in Feb, GOW2 is out and so is VF5, whatever the eff I'm gonna do, what a predicament. Hey! silly, I'll just buy both titles and play them on the PS3, Hell I could take appropriate doses of each as I see fit. Fact is PS fans are use to having several AAA's in one month, we've been there, done that....

What a soldier for the xbox cause..

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

That's an old article and from a gamers point of view I can see what they mean somewhat. I don't totally agree. MS wanted the headstart to get a good lead to reach 10 million units first and to be the lead development platform. Mission accomplished anyway you look at. Sure some people may not be happy about it (people who weren't likely to buy one anyway) but that is why they launched first.

As for the games you can say what you want about system sellers but the simple fact is this 360 games have been selling like crazy and they keep games in the top 20 month after month. The system has numerous million sellers and even some games that haven't hit a million have still done well Just Cause and Saint's Row.

I'm not going to sit here and argue with you about what's a system seller because I quite frankly don't believe in that term I think it's more about a collection of games you want to play than one game that will make you buy a console. Who would buy a console for one game and nothing else you may already be on the fence about a PS3 but MGS4 would be the game that pushes you over. And using that logic a system mover could be almost anything.You wan't to talk about percentages of games sold or percentages of Xbox live users. There are over 100 million PS2's sold yet has there been any one game that has sold 10 million copies? That's only 10% it's a ridiculous argument that Folky & Zilla continue to bring up. GOW sells 2 millon units in less than a month and that's not good?

Crazy isn't it, what we've been saying all along, I guess it's easy for xbots to convince themselves. Hey! I was thinking of getting a 360 recently with Gears two controllers a remote and the charger for just over $500.00, I was thinking maybe I should go the same way as last gen, as Nintendo is just not convincing me with their gameplan at all. So of course I'm getting the PS3 as soon as I can lay hold on one, but I was thinking perhaps I could squeeze the box in advance, but then I heard that Gears is coming to the PC, this console just keeps defeating it's own self. I've got the 8800GTX from EVGA with a 4200+ dual core on the 590 chipset with the 7.1 S750 gigaworks for sound and a 24" widescreen monitor, simply, I'll play the superior version of gears with less gitches when it pops on that platform. DTM said that I mentioned games coming to the PC that's not, so I guess Bioware isn't coming to the PC, I mean DTM said it .[/qutoe]

You have a 8800GTX? I'm going to call your card on that. If your are out there splurging on that type of tech you woudn't make some of the comments you do. Honestly homeboy you are way to impressed with PS2 level graphics for me to believe that you actually have that card. In another thread you actually said it's not all about shader effects it's more about artistic vision. And that's an opinion I can respect but more times than not that type of gamer isn't going to splurge on a $600 plus graphics card. Even allowing for the fact that you would your statements in multiple post prove how ignoranat you are about graphics technology. So no I'm not buying it. And show me where you see that Gears of War has been announced for the PC Show me where Mass effect has been announced for the PC (Bioware is currently making Dragon Age for the PC). If you want to speculate then I'm going to speculate that MGS4 is coming to the 360.

[quote=ilnadmy] To be fair, I will say that the 360 is a better choice for a non-PC gamer than for a PC gamer, and that has always been the Xbox brand's strength. However, with multiplat seeming more and more palatable these days, and with the increase in consoles' graphical prowess this gen, I would say that a PS3 gamer is increasingly able to experience those games too.

This is true. But you seem to have a misconception and that misconception is that the PC is a gaming platform. No it's not, the platform is windows, the games run on Windows and Windows as we all know is a MS platform. They are invested there MS intentionally coined the term console exlusive for the simple fact there bread is buttered with windows and as a PC gamer you see the push MS is making with DX10 and Games for Windows. So yes if you are a serious PC gamer there will be a lot of over lap with the 360 library that's the way it is and always will be.Some see it as a weakness I think it's a strengt. But honestly looking at it we both know that the PC and consoles are two different markets. As for the games that are out now I'm not going to get into the facts speak for themselves they're great games out now and they sell well on the 360.

[Mochan]

The PC and Console markets are different markets but they intersect. In pretty much the same way the 360 and PS3 are different markets, but they have an intersect.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

The PC and Console markets are different markets but they intersect. In pretty much the same way the 360 and PS3 are different markets, but they have an intersect.

The PS3 and the X360 aren't different markets at all. They are direct compeitors in the same marke. It's Mustang vs Corvette. Where as the PC will be depending on your rig will be a Ferrari. Sure they are all sports car but obviously they aren't all compeitive with each other.

[Gadfly2317]

I agree. . . if he's spending $600 on a graphics card when he says he doesn't prefer PC gaming and then claims there's not enough games for a $400 360 or a $250 Wii is just pushing the boundries of credibility.

[folken001]

I agree. . . if he's spending $600 on a graphics card when he says he doesn't prefer PC gaming and then claims there's not enough games for a $400 360 or a $250 Wii is just pushing the boundries of credibility.
Well....I bought my videocard for 300 bucks and I am not into PC gaming that much. True, it is not 600 bucks, but it's still a lot.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Well....I bought my videocard for 300 bucks and I am not into PC gaming that much. True, it is not 600 bucks, but it's still a lot.

That's not the only reason I don't believe dude generally doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to graphics tech. Not that I'm so wiz myself.

[NEO-360]

This is probably the only thing that Xbots are completely clueless about. All they need from the system is that few games to keep them interested and everything else M$ fails to do is all justified. They would probably say something about the online play. But, that's just another excuse in my opinion.

On a personal note, it's funny how Neo360 replies every thread, every post and every argument with the same old "Every xbox360 owner wants GoW but hardly one third of XBox360 owners bought it" or "PS3 sucks at selling. Why can't they sell 3 million units even though they have only been able to produce 1 million units right now" So on and so on.

That is exactly why I don't reply to him. It's like talking to a retard. You'd only get the same old nonsense answer from him over and over. You can't blame the retard though because it is you who should've known better.

You dont reply to me because you're still reeling from all the ass-whippings you used to take from me back in the good ole days Folken. I'm talking about news. You're throwing out Dr.Phil advise along with insults.

I talk about the news in the videogame world. Its my job to beat you milk drinkers with it every chance I get when Sony gets kicked in the cajones. If MS does something bad I have no qualms talking about it. But with VF5 now coming to the Xbox 360 as well as the PS3 the skies the limit to future 360 owners.

Thats why you stay in your hole and dodge me like the plague. Right now Nintendo and MS are kicking the holy hell out of Sony Thats the bottom line for now. Not replying to me is smart Folken. Everybody here knows how well my foot fits in your pie-hole. But at least you still have your Capcom vs. SNK 2 victory over me many years ago. Good job!!! :thumbsup:

Thats about the only time you've ever obtained a victory over me in some kinda way in System Wars. :D

[NEO-360]

You do like to use analogies don't you, ok, I'll tell you this, you're like this soldier coming into battle with no weapons, no meds, no food, you're completly bone dry, hell if this were an rpg (another analogy) you have just cast curaga on me as you were not equipped with demi.

If the games listed above are the reasons why I should buy a 360 then I'll never buy one. Hell, even in my post I made mention of GRAW2, then you talk about a whole wave of multiplats minus Halo and LP, that is the problem we're citing with the 360. GTA4,RE5,AC, PHANTASY STAR, GRAW 2 and BIOSHOCK are destined to other platforms, I know I'm going to buy the superior version of GTA4, RE5 for the PS3.

I never mention multiplats in my debate as to why the PS3 is the system to own even if these titles will be superior. I guess though, 360 owners and worshippers like yourself are just that dense, praising multiplats as primary reasons why they should own that console, no wonder you guys are so desperate for MGS, want it multiplat huh? It's clear why you guys blow a single good game way out proportion, it's because the box starves of the quantity of AAA exclusives that the playstation has. Frankly, I'm use to waves upon waves of triple A titles on playstation, hell, just the last couple of months had so many smacking titles for the PS fan..

As for the PS3, VF5 is due in february, HSword and Lair and Motorstorm in march, when is Halo3 dropping, I'll give you an exclusive, how about Forza2?


A game enhanced over arcade version B, which is the latest arcade version with all the balances and tweaks with an enhanced Dojo mode with a frame counter for veterans is rushing it, do you know how long VF5 has been out in the arcades? Do you know that people actually expected it at the PS3 launch? Do you know that the PS3 version has been in dev for about the same time as the arcade version? Do you know that the lindbergh architecture has much similarity to the PS3 GPU? When you do let me know, If you are the soldier designated for this battle you have now become a prisoner of war.



Hey, I've got a PS3 in Feb, GOW2 is out and so is VF5, whatever the eff I'm gonna do, what a predicament. Hey! silly, I'll just buy both titles and play them on the PS3, Hell I could take appropriate doses of each as I see fit. Fact is PS fans are use to having several AAA's in one month, we've been there, done that....

What a soldier for the xbox cause..

Oh yeah, Xbox 360 owners are so desperate. Damn, VF5 is also coming to the Xbox 360. Not only do I have some great exclusives to look forward to playing on the 360 but I have a ton of 3rd party multiplatform titles thats going to make my purchase in April that much sweeter.If 360 owners get any more desperate we may have to call a doctor to get more oxygen from laughing at all these Sony exclusives dropping like flies!

Lastword you are the real soldier. Nobody stands up for Milk Inc. better than you. :thumbsup: (Except Folken)

[Gadfly2317]

Well....I bought my videocard for 300 bucks and I am not into PC gaming that much. True, it is not 600 bucks, but it's still a lot.

But you bought a Ps3 already right? You're obviously willing to shell out some bucks, rather than pimp something forever and then wait until next year to buy it.

I don't blame Last Word for waiting on his Ps3 even if it makes his evangelical fervor come across as sort of silly and hypocritical. I don't trust Sony not to build a bugged out building burning first batch either.

[ilnadmy]

Man I would love to get my hands on a GeForce 8800 GTX, but so far my GeForce 6800 Go Ultra is still serving me quite well.

[NEO-360]

I think he's doing it on purpose. I'd really feel sorry for him if he's actually that dumb. But, I still say let's just stop replying to him because it's troublesome reading threads with his posts in it. It's like read read read skip skip skip read skip......

You guys are wayyyyyyyy too close these days. In a "Brokeback Mountain" kinda way.:eek:

Just because I'm continuing to punch you guys in the mouth on threads doesnt mean you have to sling mud in order to make yourselves look cool. For you Folken all you do is ride the sack of others thats attacking me. Try standing by yourself. Oh thats right you never did that.:rolleyes:

I'm sticking to talking about the thread. What do you and your boyfriend Gadfly do? Keep talking about little ole me. Shame. This is the reason why Slade is the real hero of VGR. At least he steps up to the plate to fight. He doesnt hide behind others and throw stones from their glass houses like you do Capt. Sony.:aureola:

When you guys are ready to be men step up to the plate. Until then feel free to um...bake each other some cookies and comb each others hair whenever I'm around. :D

[SavageSoldier]

[QUOTE=NEO-360]You guys are wayyyyyyyy too close these days. In a "Brokeback Mountain" kinda way.:eek:

Just because I'm continuing to punch you guys in the mouth on threads doesnt mean you have to sling mud in order to make yourselves look cool. For you Folken all you do is ride the sack of others thats attacking me. Try standing by yourself. Oh thats right you never did that.:rolleyes:

I'm sticking to talking about the thread. What do you and your boyfriend Gadfly do? Keep talking about little ole me. Shame. This is the reason why Slade is the real hero of VGR. At least he steps up to the plate to fight. He doesnt hide behind others and throw stones from their glass houses like you do Capt. Sony.:aureola:

When you guys are ready to be men step up to the plate. Until then feel free to um...bake each other some cookies and comb each others hair whenever I'm around


:lol:
Brokeback Sony!!!!

[thelastword]

Man I would love to get my hands on a GeForce 8800 GTX, but so far my GeForce 6800 Go Ultra is still serving me quite well.Funny, my card prior to the 8800 was the 6800 Ultra, great card no doubt, was the latest and greatest when I bought it, but it was time to move on, Vista is landing in a couple of weeks with directX 10, so It's a good time to upgrade.

Something about me and EVGA though, My ultra was from EVGA and so is the 8800GTX, bought it for $649 two weeks after launch, it's now $600, but is it ever worth it, according to a review this card is so beyond the 7950GTX that it seems it seems like the next next gen series from Nvidia (9800). It's truly that powerful, I reinstalled Fear and it runs circles over it, I'm talking over 100 fps at 1900 x 1200 with 2 gigs of ram. I reinstalled chaos theory and I'm using shader 3.0, 16X AF and 16X AA, basically everthing maxed out and it's amazing. It runs through these games all maxed out in laid back mode IMO, these direct x 9 games simply aren't going to make this card budge. Dark Messiah was packed in, it's a descent oblivion so far, it was packaged with the card and I'm ploughing through it atm. I think that Halflife 2 looks amazing at 1900 x 1200, the game only allows me 6X AA in the game's video options, but I'm cranking it up for all games via the Nvidia control panel, amazing stuff really.


General:

I must say this though, it's not because I have the latest and best card, that suddenly the PS2 will become ugly to me. Last gen we had three consoles, the ps2 was first available on March 4th of 2000 in Japan, the box came out 21 months later on November the 15th in America, the gamecube was first available on the 14th of September in Japan and at the end of the day all these consoles had comparable graphics, some consoles had an edge here or there over the other, the xbox with it's basic shaders, the cube with it's texture passes and the PS2 with it's framerate performance/lighting and particle effects. There were games that showed the prowess of these machines special capabilities, like SC on the box, Rogue Leader on the cube and ZOE2 on the PS2, the fact remains that their graphics were not far apart at all. This is why I believe that Sony has always pushed the better tech at the point of delivery and If the PS2 could push GT4 at 1080i at 60fps without immediate access to shader tech then we can see how strong this machine really was and is, hell the xbox came almost two years after it did and there's no denying that GT4 looks better than Forza on the xbox.

I think FF12 is a beautiful game, I've made mention of SOTC as well, but these games can only be judged in line with the hardware they're on and in the generation in which they exist. These games are beautiful IMO, personally, I think consoles games endeavour to grab the finer details much more and give you a more wholesome experience in the end. When I look at a game, especially in the console realm, I look at the whole package, art, technical aspects like lighting, framerates, animation, to me as much as the msboys touted bumpmapping in 2001 and beyond, I looked at a racer like sega gt for example, it had bumpmapped roads but the car models paled to that of GT3, the environments looked washed out and foggy and it just didn't have that wow effect that GT3 had when I first laid eyes on it, to me, last gen the added effects that the xbox had just didn't balance it's weaknesses, there were certainly some games which edged on even further to show the specific strength of these machines, like GT4,GOW and MGS3 on the PS2 and SC on the box, but in the end, it was not a runaway type of victory for any of the consoles when ot came to capability in the standard def era, however, I'm still giving the edge to the PS2 because of game performance it's framerates were clearly superior in most genres.



In this gen however, we can now talk of all our shaders effects, whether that be shader 3-4.0 etc..HDR, AA, AF etc..these are technologies that are pretty much basic in the hidef era. There's no doubt that we have taken a huge step forward in terms of resolution and graphics processing, who knows what new technologies may pop up, how about terra deformation a la evolution studios, who knows what effects the PS3 will first use widespread in it's games down the line. I think now, it's more appropriate to talk about how certain shaders will make a game look better, how AF is needed because everything is so vivid, that if it's not used it becomes a bit jarring. The fact is though, I'm against Nintendo's approach because they're the only company not offering any type of advance in technology, the games shown so far for the Wii are decidedly worst looking than xbox games, GOW 2 ****s all over twilight princess graphically etc..It's not all about graphics with me but you've got to advance your hardware as well, I think there's a bigger payoff for those who can give us a mindblowing experience with next gen graphics, next gen physics, next gen resolution, true HD (1080P), with next gen controls. I'm into where I can get the entire package, the more wholesome experience. Personally I think Nintendo's strategy is simply to remain profitable. MS is all about raping you with addons and microtransactions. Sony is like, I'll give you, you'll give me. Scratch my back and I'll scratch yours, the gamer chooses which one works for him in the end. I'm into tech that pushes boundaries and I'm into games that uses the tech to move boundaries.

[trebor]

Wow. NEO-360 and Lastword arguing with each other. Those two could create a vortex of such stupidity that it could very well rip a hole in time and space.

[Mochan]

The PS3 and the X360 aren't different markets at all. They are direct compeitors in the same marke. It's Mustang vs Corvette.

Well the car analogies are a bit lost on me but I don't agree that they're exactly the same market. I'm not looking at just a localized game market like in NA (where even there I think the markets are a bit different), but more worldwide. The Playstation brand caters more to a specific kind of demographic that is noticeably different from the XBox brand's demographic. We all recognize this in the different games that each system sells more. If you guys don't see this, I don't know, I thought we were discussing this all of last gen ... XBox market is more into shooters, racers and that sort of thing, PS2 market is more into RPGs, fighters, 3D Action, platformers, etc. There is some intersect but they are clearly two different markets.

They are in a kind of competition, yes, but like I said it is the same for the PC and Console markets -- in particular the XBox market -- especially now that the XBox 360's games are encroaching ever closer to the PC's games.


As for the 8800GTX thing, I agree that anyone buying an 8800 and not into PC gaming is just a moron. I have to say though, an 8800GTX cannot run circles around FEAR or rather, not over 100fps at 1900x1200 with everything turned on. The average FPS you get from the 8800GTX in FEAR at those settings is around 80fps according to the reviews.

The PS2 was ugly to me the moment I got one. Actually, even before I got one. I'm well documented on these forums (and on the PC forum) saying this.

On the other hand I *do* understand what TLW is saying in that Japanese/console games make do with technical limits and instead emphasize the artistic side instead. FF12 looked really chunky but the character models in it are leagues beyond what say Condemned or Prey has. I've made this point over and over in the past, it's well-documented, I find that in general Western games push tech but Eastern games push artistry.



BTW all this talk of the 8800GTX reminds me once again that console gamer will NEVER match PC gaming and even with highly subsidized console tech, the PC was already ahead of the XBox 360 last year, but this year with the advent of the 8800GTX the performance gap is so huge nobody can ever contest that consoles are catching up to the PC. But yeah all that performance carries like a $1000 price tag, LOL.

[thelastword]

As for the 8800GTX thing, I agree that anyone buying an 8800 and not into PC gaming is just a moron. BS, I do play PC games, then how in the eff would I always say that I'll play most of the xbox games on the PC, I wasn't saying that just to make an argument, I was saying that because that's what I do. COD2, FEAR, CONDEMNED, TOMB RAIDER-L, HITMAN-BM, MOST WANTED, CARBON, RAINBOW SIX VEGAS, SC DA. Some of these titles I've ploughed through, some I've started off to get the general feel, If I decide they're good enough, then I'll finish them eventually. Bioshock I'll play on my PC, I'm going to play the next ID game on my PC etc..etc..When Gears lands, I'm there to give it a run as well. I think your statement is bull****, If I want the latest PC tech, I get the latest PC tech. Crysis is running like a charm on the 8800GTX and I may very well get UT2K7 for the PC.


I have to say though, an 8800GTX cannot run circles around FEAR or rather, not over 100fps at 1900x1200 with everything turned on. The average FPS you get from the 8800GTX in FEAR at those settings is around 80fps according to the reviews.

With everything maxed? Did I say that for FEAR? yes, over 100 fps in 1900 X 1200 with no AA, AF or softshadows, now I'm running it maxed out with soft shadows on and it's smooth as butter at 1200p. Hell, Fear runs at 90fps at 2048 X 1536, how in the eff won't it run over 100 fps at 1900 X 1200? I went beyond some game's visual options via the Nvidia control panel. I set 16X AF,16 AA to override and enhance the max settings available in those game's in game visual options. All the details are set on max, I did it for Chaos Theory and HL2, these games run at blazing speeds with everything on. FEAR, I maxed out everything in-game and it's smooth as butter, AA and AF doesn't generate the type of performance hit like previous cards in the Nvidia line.


The PS2 was ugly to me the moment I got one. Actually, even before I got one. I'm well documented on these forums (and on the PC forum) saying this.

Dude, at the end of the day it's all about the gameplay, it seems if you had this 8800 GTX you'd be rubbing it in these guys faces all day, but truth is even If I have the latest and greatest and I do love the latest and greatest, graphics are only part of the equation. A perfect game to me is one that looks good, animates beautifully, has great art, amazing story, great controls etc..If crysis comes out and doesn't deliver in terms of gameplay/pacing then it means nothing to me. That's why when I look at Naughty's game I'm more impressed than what I see in Crysis, great use of tech, stellar animation, super physics, great art, of course when it comes to gameplay Naughty has always delivered so it's a marriage of a whole lot to me.


BTW all this talk of the 8800GTX reminds me once again that console gamer will NEVER match PC gaming and even with highly subsidized console tech, the PC was already ahead of the XBox 360 last year, but this year with the advent of the 8800GTX the performance gap is so huge nobody can ever contest that consoles are catching up to the PC. But yeah all that performance carries like a $1000 price tag, LOL.

As I said, I love PC gaming too, but I'm afraid anytime someone says the PC is ahead, they only focus on speed and ram and forget about results. I think console devs do more with what they have, and if the PS3's RSX is based on a G80 it will outdo graphics we see on the PC for the next 2-3 years, especially with the Cell Cpu coupled. I look at GTHD Concept and the realism is smacking, much more than the Nvidia demos for the 8800 GTX. You're too quick to lunge the PC forward, yes, it will always have the latest tech, but it simply won't be put into use as to what's in the PS3.

[thelastword]

There are over 100 million PS2's sold yet has there been any one game that has sold 10 million copies? That's only 10% it's a ridiculous argument that Folky & Zilla continue to bring up. GOW sells 2 millon units in less than a month and that's not good?
You are so full of drunkened ****, talking out your ass like there's no tomorrow. Gran Turismo 3 sold 14.84 million copies, San Andreas, 14.36, Vice City 13.81, GTA3 11.62. The fact of the matter is, pirating is a ***** and alot of that is going on with PS2 games across the world, ask Mochan.

Second string, GT4 at 8.02 million and FFX at 7.93 outsold Halo2 at 7.91M and Halo-Ce at 6.44M. MGS2 is just below the Halo's in terms of sales. You spread so much misinformation it's vomit inducing.

source (http://www.vgcharts.org/worldtotals.php)


By the way, since I don't always have the time. I never said that Mass Effect is coming to the PC, although I think it will eventually. Bioshock is coming to the PC however and from what I've heard, so is Gears, although not totally confirmed. Ms has nothing against the windows platform, they're pimping Halo2 and Crysis for Vista and Gears maybe their third, it's their bread and butter afterall. Hell, there's even a leaked screenshot of the PC version of Gears floating around the W3. As for whether I have an 8800GTX, I don't have time for BS.

[folken001]

Originally POsted by DrunkenThumbmaster
There are over 100 million PS2's sold yet has there been any one game that has sold 10 million copies? That's only 10% it's a ridiculous argument that Folky & Zilla continue to bring up. GOW sells 2 millon units in less than a month and that's not good?

Hey, what did I keep bringing up? I don't think I ever talked the sale figure of GoW.

[trebor]

Today I was in one of the local Targets and -- shock of shocks -- there were a few sad, lonely $599 PS3s sitting on the shelf with zero interest from any of the numerous people in the videogame section. Of course, there were also tons of unloved 360s to keep them company - just like I've seen ALL HOLIDAY SEASON. Hmmm...

Meanwhile both the Wii and DS supplies were still completely sold out.

[folken001]

Well, my friend sold his Wii to his other friend due to the lack of online play and games. I think it's really too early to call Wii a success. I agree with the notion that Wii is just a novelty. Once the thrill wears off the sale is going to drop dramatically. That's just my 2cents anyway.

[Mochan]

Bioshock is a PC game first, it was announced for the PC first before the Xbox 360 was alive. Crysis in DX10 is going to be one hell of a visual feast and will more than likely put GOW's visuals to shame. I'd like to play Crysis on a dual or quad 8800GTX setup.

To TLW, I won't argue with your numbers for running FEAR, I am just going by the reviews of the 8800GTX and I don't have the card on hand to do my own figures testing. I'm just saying the reviews said the game only runs with all settings maxed at about 80fps at the resolution you were quoting. And before you get the wrong idea I'm not saying you don't have an 8800GTX, and I'm not saying you're an idiot for getting one and not being into PC gaming (just saying that only an idiot would get one and NOT be into PC gaming).

As for the PS2 thing, yep gameplay is where it's at, don't forget I gamed a lot on the PS2 and I know what you are saying. Graphics are one thing but gameplay (and other things) is part of the equation, too, and I thoroughly enjoyed a lot of PS2 games last gen despite their less-than-awe-inspiring graphics, such as SotC, FFX, BOF5, Tekken 5, Suikoden 3 and 5, etc.

As for Crysis I don't see why Crysis won't deliver on the gameplay; the original Far Cry had gameplay in spades and that along with the graphcis, the controls, the massive expansiveness of the world, etc. all this conspired to make it the best FPS I had played in a LONG time.

On the PC/console performance thing, I do agree with what you say... console devs are able to do more with what they have, games on the Gamecube are running on what, 2 MB of GPU or something like that, the only games you'd see on the PC running like that are 10 year old games like Thief, certainly not games like Resident Evil 4. I am on record on the PC boards preaching about how console games are able to make games look so good despite having crap for hardware. It's true, results are what counts and as gamers we should not let anyone tell us otherwise. I only pimp PC power because it is quite obvious that an 8800GTX will push out graphics like we saw on Xbox 360's best games only in higher resolution, with 8x super antialiasing and 16x AF at far more fluid framerates. You can't argue with these technological superiorities.