System Wars...Nothing but XBOT drivel....

[thelastword]

It's amazingly sad and it becomes downright pathetic to witness at times, the amount of FUD and misinformation posted on here and the seemingly unending crusade of MS torchbearers rallying to dethrone and trashtalk the one company which has delivered, what is nothing short of an overload of AAA content two generations in succession. This is already enough evidence to catapault and lockdown all of the "let's bash sony crusaders" to kingdom come. Is this the better SysWars, the one where xbots congregate and talk smack? I beg to differ.

The PS1 survived for ten years plus, so will the PS2 and so will the PS3, it's undeniable. There's absolutely nothing that would indicate otherwise and being first out the door is no indicator as to how this race will end, especially this one, the console race.

I've never read so much FUD before, never, it reminds me of the PS2 launch and how it was perceived against the dreamcast. Oh how PS2 launch games didn't look noticeably better than dreamcast games etc..some here are even questioning the power of the PS3 when the results even at launch and with recent releases are clearly saying otherwise. I'm not against MS, I do think that this market can sustain these two companies easily and that competition is a very necessary element that benefits gamers fairly but I won't override that stance like the xbots and run with it like the MS crusaders.

I won't throw stats and facts away just to paint a rosey picture for MS. It was MS that reamed gamers 3.5 years in with a few good exclusives and a repetitive list of shooters. The PS2 like the PS1 is an indicator as to how the PS3 will do, Sony's consoles have done much better with each console progression and I see no regression here as it relates to what matters, the games, the exclusives and features. If anything this is the most complete console that Sony has ever offered. Lagfree online in a forty man mutiplayer game, tell that to xbox live junkies, who can't even get such quality service in a simple 8 on 8 versus. Yes, which one do you have to pay for again? So when boneheads like TMG keeps running his mouth that there was no online in GT4, I'll keep on telling him that the game would be compromised and that the standard that Sony First Parties set would just not allow anything below par, but to such guys once it's online it's better, it doesn't matter that some of these online games are unplayable. It has online baby and all the crock, I'm saying quality over quantity for free.


The PSN is in a class of it's own, super quick downloads and the content announced and coming on, is what I envisioned for it. All I need to say is an enhanced arcade version of Tekken Dark Ressurection at 1080P is insane, measuring at only 800MB nonetheless. For those thinking that the last tekken trailer was tekken 6, hell no, the real deal is in development, what we saw was the PSN port at it's early stages. Then we've got gripshift, which make Wii games look not so pleasing, flow is releasing soon, lemmings already released, and of course calling all cars is another one to look forward to. Go Sudoku has been released as well and we're talking more ambitious games coming along when more of the 40 PSN games are announced by Sony as time goes by. I make no bones about it, this is a great answer to smaller and indie devs, hell even the blockbuster devs are strongly behind it like David Jaffe, Evolution Studios etc..and to think this is only one part of the PS3 framework aiming to push compelling and innovative content.


What about the main dish though, gaming content via bluray, where does it stand. I'm seeing more exclusives for the PS3 and it's clear that Sony first party Studios including third party exclusive studios are really going to plough their dominance in terms of skill on the superior harware. Let the MS crusaders believe this is close, let them. Motorstorm rapes anything on the 360 right now including GEOW and that's a first generation title. Yes the hard to develop PS3 is doing so one month after release and even at launch Resistance is techniaclly superior to Gears, has absolutely no framerate drops anytime anywhere with the most packed and chaotic environments, the best snow and the best glass in any game thus far, any game ever. Better Ai, better weapons, better online play than gears of war from the outset and of course the online play is being tuned and balanced even more so after release. Overall, some comparisons were made on these two shooters, Gamedaily gives the edge to Resistance and Gamepro gives them a tie. It took the 360 an entire year to get a killer app, it's a shame that there's not many PS3's to go by but even that is easing out, when more people get PS3's more people will buy resistance.


The multiplats in the gamespot comparison, gave the edge to the 360 mainly due to HDR lighting and framerates, but there was more detail in many of the PS3 ports which they highlighted as is evident in FNR3, better textures in Carbon PS3 etc..For anyone to take this and run with it is completely assanine. These games were primarily programmed on the 360 and ported to the PS3, I'm thinking that EA made use of only the PPC and neglected the SPE's. Again, with PS3 you simply can't cheat your way out so of course that would explain these slight differences. As for COD3, that was coded at 1040 X 512 native and upscaled to 720P on the 360, you can't do that on the PS3 so they had to do native 720P. Since the PS3 was not the primary platform, it's framerate dips a little worse than that of the 360, but make no mistake, these games have framerate issues on both platforms and it's even worse for the 360 IMO, due to the cheating involved.

PS3 has the games and they're coming quickly, Motorstorm is here but a more fleshed out version is coming to the US and Europe in March, all with online multiplayer, more modes and more enhancements. VF5 is landing pretty soon, GTHD will be a free download later in December, perhaps we can beta test the online play there. Based on the latest scans I saw of Heavenly Sword, it now includes blood, so another one goes to scrivener there. Can't wait to see it on it's next showing. Every body is saying Naughty's Big project is looking jaw droppingly amazing, as recent as last week Jaffe made mention of it again. Hell, even Gabe Newell complimented naughty eons ago on that project. Harrison has said that Killzone PS3 has surpassed the trailer in some ways and matches it by and large. Wardevil is 1080P exclusive, Jaffe is working on GOW3, Capcom is making DMC4 godly, the burnout guys said that they have always preferred the playstation and clearly PS3 is the main platform for Burnout4, so when burnout comes out I want to hear which one is superior. These guys were all about "When you see a crash on PS3..." So let the naysayers keep chanting that it's close. These games are only the first wave of seperation from these hardware units. PS3 will have Motorstorm,Vf5,Dmc4,Hsword,Lair,Warhawk,MGS4 in it's first year and a whole lot more, known and unknown. 360 had Gears in it's first year. The difference A flood of AAA next gen looking games against ONE in a comparable timeframe, that is the difference between the playstation and the xbox. Great games are exceedingly superior to a great game.

[Gadfly2317]

The PS1 survived for ten years plus, so will the PS2 and so will the PS3, it's undeniable. There's absolutely nothing that would indicate otherwise and being first out the door is no indicator as to how this race will end, especially this one, the console race. There is no one here, even the "congregation of xbots", that is saying the Ps3 will "not survive." Most of us are talking about how unlikely it seems that the console will dominate. . .and certainly not dominate the way Ps2 did. And there are a LOT of indicators we have pointed to.

The PS2 like the PS1 is an indicator as to how the PS3 will do The SNES, like the NES, is an indicator as to how the N64 will do. :rolleyes: Take a logic class, boy. Your statement is riddled with fallacy.

As to the rest of it, sure, the Ps3 is also the technically superior machine, but as we've seen time and time again, the most expensive and powerful machine is rarely if ever the dominant system. If Ps3 bucks that historical trend, that's all well and good, but you assume a lot.

[Gadfly2317]

TLW, you can add even more tech functionality to the Ps3. . . in a scared-ass attempt to copy Nintendo even further (as if the last-minute six-axis wasn't bad enough) Sony's trying to jump on the motion control bandwagon with its attempt to develop a full motion tracking control, not just a tilty one:

http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Games_And_Devices/Accessories?Article=/Games%20And%20Devices/Accessories/J4P5T8L8

"Mee tooo!!!!! Meee tooo!!!! We want to follow, not lead. We want to steal, not create."

[Cuddly Knife]

A bunch of stuff, but no mention how Sony dropped the ball with units ats launch with units delivered and AAA exclusives
Whatever, Word. Go crawl back into the hole that you've been hiding under for the past couple of weeks since the launch of the PS3, and come out when you can tell us something that we haven't been discussing already with other Sony fans here, only ones more open-minded than you(except Folken, who might be worse).

BTW, from your post, it appears that you aren't even playing a PS3. Am I right? I hope not.

[thelastword]

There is no one here, even the "congregation of xbots", that is saying the Ps3 will "not survive." Most of us are talking about how unlikely it seems that the console will dominate. . .and certainly not dominate the way Ps2 did. And there are a LOT of indicators we have pointed to.

The SNES, like the NES, is an indicator as to how the N64 will do. :rolleyes: Take a logic class, boy. Your statement is riddled with fallacy.

Are you comparing the Nintendo line of sytems to the Playstation? Did the NES or Super Nes outsell the competition 6-1? Did these systems have as many titles like the playstation? Did these systems last as long as the Playstation systems? Did these systems outsell even next gen systems for over a year being on the market due to unwavering support even when the the next playstation was due and is here.

What makes a truly great system are the games. Can you tell me with a straight face, that the PS3 will have less AAA product in it's first year than the 360, especially after the list I've provided. Yes the PS3 is $600.00, that hasn't stopped it's sales, every PS3 shipped thus far has been nabbed, there's also the $500.00 version as well. Early next year, were going to shift to the the 65nm process and after that 45nm perhaps for the slim. The GS+EE chipsets are going to go very soon as well, since emulation by and far is done and the guys working on that are in the testing phase atm. PS3 is not always going to be at the $600.00 pricepoint, that is a fact.

No matter how cheap a system, the main selling point are the games first and foremost, features and of course longlasting support. Tell me where I can play Eight Days, LA Noire and Project Big? Bioshock is coming to the PC and So is Gears, my 8800GTX will run these games just fine, UT2007, I can play on my PC or my soon to receive PS3. When you can deny these games, yes the games, then your points of less marketshare is moot. The PS3 outclasses the 360 console through and through when it comes to functionality and that will play on the minds of gamers going for a purchase. Hell, even one of the guys working on emulation for the PS3 say they can do a better job than MS on BC, hell even now, that is a strong possibilty via linux down the road. So the games you can name on the 360 are no indicators as to what can seperate it from other platforms as such, especially when most of these games will eventually make it to the PC. When VF5, FF13,Versus,GT5, BIG,MGS4,Eight Days,DMC4,Lair makes it to the PC let me know, when they're multiplats let me know as well, Halo3 and Mass Effect, which will come to the PC as wellis not telling enough.


As to the rest of it, sure, the Ps3 is also the technically superior machine, but as we've seen time and time again, the most expensive and powerful machine is rarely if ever the dominant system. If Ps3 bucks that historical trend, that's all well and good, but you assume a lot.

As I've said before, if any console has made the impossible possible it was and is the playstation. PS1 going against N64, Oh! impossible, check what happened. PS2 going against Dreamcast,Gc and Xbox, the last two coming one year later. murdered them all, combined, and then some. Don't give me this logic BS McFly, you know damn straight who's painting the right picture. PS3, Oh! too expensive, bla bla bla, bla bla bla. Even now PS3's are trickling in regularly, hell, even Ebay prices have flatlined due the improving supply. When Motorstorm lands in NA and Europe in March along with HSword, VF5 etc..This train will be unstoppable. The only console that will take the thunder out of the PS2 is the PS3 and that will happen only after the European launch. This is enough to indicate how the 360 is competiting and will compete in the long run.

[thelastword]

Whatever, Word. Go crawl back into the hole that you've been hiding under for the past couple of weeks since the launch of the PS3, and come out when you can tell us something that we haven't been discussing already with other Sony fans here, only ones more open-minded than you(except Folken, who might be worse).

BTW, from your post, it appears that you aren't even playing a PS3. Am I right? I hope not.I'll let this holiday season go by, I'm getting mine next year January, maybe even before, since there'll be a major shipment on the 17th, the week before christmas.

Knife, if you're saying that you're open minded in your recent deliberations here, then' I'll be damned, that's for sure. You have been spreading the FUD unmixed with spirited vigor. I think many of the so called mulitplatform gamers are some of the most biased xbots around these parts.

[thelastword]

TLW, you can add even more tech functionality to the Ps3. . . in a scared-ass attempt to copy Nintendo even further (as if the last-minute six-axis wasn't bad enough) Sony's trying to jump on the motion control bandwagon with its attempt to develop a full motion tracking control, not just a tilty one:

http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Games_And_Devices/Accessories?Article=/Games%20And%20Devices/Accessories/J4P5T8L8

"Mee tooo!!!!! Meee tooo!!!! We want to follow, not lead. We want to steal, not create."I think that Sony has been doing great things with control innovation as well, the new Hidef Eyetoy which will launch in March, will bring forward a slew of control mechanisms and interactivity with PS3 content. Dr Marx has been working with Sony for years now in that regard, The Eyetoy-Hd camera is going to integrate even more motion control schemes and interfaces for the PS3. Nintendo was not the only company heading in that direction. I think what sony has in mind is quite ambitious and when more is revealed, all will be impressed.

[folken001]

I do agree though with some of the points. Xbots have been whining and crying about PS3 since its launch. They do more than terminal cancer patient in the last day of his life.

[Mochan]

Don't you know Cuddly? TLW is actually playing GOW on his 360 when he goes offline from here.
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[trebor]

Heightened Rumor: Metal Gear Solid 4 not a PS3 exclusive

Posted Dec 17th 2006 4:30PM by Alexander Sliwinski
Filed under: Sony PlayStation 3, Microsoft Xbox 360, Action, Adventure, Business

The rumors that Metal Gear Solid 4 is not a PS3 exclusive continue to snowball. A little over a month ago came the first wave of speculation and the idea even graced the cover of EGM. Fanboys screamed and raged, "Kojima-san owes way too much to Sony to stab them in the back like this, his honour would be tarnished forever and the Japanese care deeply about their honour." Konami's PR simply said, "Metal Gear 4 [sic] is a PS3 title."

Now website Noooz states they have "exclusive" information that MGS4 is coming to Xbox 360. We spoke directly with the editor of Noooz, Daniel Boutros, who has been around the industry for a good bit. He says his source for the information is quite high up, "I rarely run with anything unless I'm 100% confident. I rarely break news stories as you can see." He jokes that from now on he's sticking to opinion pieces after the storm of comments his site received.

Boutros' source says that MGS4 will be coming to the Xbox 360 shortly after the PS3 release. The source says Konami is concerned that there will still not be enough PS3 units out there to make the game profitable. This is the same rationale being used by many publishers, including Ubisoft, to jump off the exclusive bandwagon. Somebody has to pay the bills and the wider the net, the more money publishers will make. We, along with probably everyone else, will be following up with Konami and Microsoft for comment tomorrow. This story isn't going away until somebody sneaks up on it from behind, chokes it senseless and drags it into a storage locker.

[Thank you to all the people who sent this in]

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/12/17/heightened-rumor-metal-gear-solid-4-not-a-ps3-exclusive/

Uh oh!

Tell you what Lastword, if you keep showing up blathering on like an idiot, I'll keep raining on your parade - deal?

[Zilla Man]

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/12/17/heightened-rumor-metal-gear-solid-4-not-a-ps3-exclusive/

Uh oh!

Tell you what Lastword, if you keep showing up blathering on like an idiot, I'll keep raining on your parade - deal?

Interesting post.(I'm guessing that you don't necesarily believe him, Trebor, but the post was more of a reply to Last Word).:p

But Boutros is full of it. This is the same guy who claimed that DMC 3 and 4 were going to the Xbox because Capcom was disappointed in the sales/critical reaction to DMC 2. :rolleyes:

What he seems to forget are that MGS4 won't even be out until Nov. 2007. By that time PS3 supplies will be steady and sales will be in full swing. I'd even go out on a limb and predict that the PS3 install base numbers will be similar to that of the PS2 when MGS2 was released

He's also forgetting that MGS4 is a killer app: people will buy a PS3 just to play MGS4. PS2 sales spiked when MGS2 was released; I expect the same thing to happen this time around despite the $500-$600 price tag.

I'm not even going to reiterate the statements I posted from Team Kojima when I asked them if MGS4 would be coming to the Xbox (it's not). Statements that are repeated by Kojima himself in this month's Gamepro.

Of course, all this is conjecture on my part but the fact that he didn't even address these points says loads about his credibility (and is a main reason why I take anything I read on Joystiq with a pound of salt).

Still, I'm glad you posted it, Trebor.:thumbsup:

[thelastword]

What's the source of this rumor? Noooz.com, a sight which I've never heard of till now. So now you're a big supporter of info from Spong, Joystiq and now Noooz, nothing wrong with that, to each his own, but don't go spreading rumours as fact Gerty.

[Gadfly2317]

TLW, your response didn't really address my point, it just went on and on again about how great the Ps3 is. I think the Ps3 is a pretty awesome system too, and there are games on it I find appealing.

But that's not the point. You've seen time and again the lists of obstacles and challenges, both self-created, and external the Ps3 faces. And if you'd pull your head of the fanboy sand, you'd at least concede that extremely difficult and challenging market conditions exist. If you'd like, we can repost and remind.

I'm just asking you straight up, do you believe the Ps3 will have the same level of dominance (and thus the kind of power to pull third party exclusives) that it had last generation? At what point will the Ps3 achieve 6:1 dominance over 360 and Wii?

But first it has to catch up. Will it catch up to Wii and 360 by Jan 1 2008? And the Ps3 is set to lose at least 1billion dollars in 2007: what year do you predict it will be profitable?

[trebor]

Interesting post.(I'm guessing that you don't necesarily believe him, Trebor, but the post was more of a reply to Last Word).:p

Of course - rumors are just rumors, but this particular rumor has been pretty prevalent. I do so love punishing Lastword, though.


What he seems to forget are that MGS4 won't even be out until Nov. 2007. By that time PS3 supplies will be steady and sales will be in full swing. I'd even go out on a limb and predict that the PS3 install base numbers will be similar to that of the PS2 when MGS2 was released

I seriously doubt that. The lukewarm reception Blu-ray has gotten tells me that it won't have the same effect on consumers that the DVD enabled PS2 got in 2000. This leaves the public with a $600 videogame machine that has 95% of the same titles as the less expensive 360.


He's also forgetting that MGS4 is a killer app: people will buy a PS3 just to play MGS4. PS2 sales spiked when MGS2 was released; I expect the same thing to happen this time around despite the $500-$600 price tag.

Exactly why this rumor, if proven true, will be devastating to Sony.


I'm not even going to reiterate the statements I posted from Team Kojima when I asked them if MGS4 would be coming to the Xbox (it's not). Statements that are repeated by Kojima himself in this month's Gamepro.

Why, because when Japanese businessmen make promises they stick with them? Kinda like RE4's exclusivity with the Gamecube? I know it's two different companies, but there are an awful lot of similarities.


Still, I'm glad you posted it, Trebor.:thumbsup:

Me too :)

[thelastword]

TLW, your response didn't really address my point, it just went on and on again about how great the Ps3 is. I think the Ps3 is a pretty awesome system too, and there are games on it I find appealing.

But that's not the point. You've seen time and again the lists of obstacles and challenges, both self-created, and external the Ps3 faces. And if you'd pull your head of the fanboy sand, you'd at least concede that extremely difficult and challenging market conditions exist. If you'd like, we can repost and remind.

I'm just asking you straight up, do you believe the Ps3 will have the same level of dominance (and thus the kind of power to pull third party exclusives) that it had last generation? At what point will the Ps3 achieve 6:1 dominance over 360 and Wii?

But first it has to catch up. Will it catch up to Wii and 360 by Jan 1 2008? And the Ps3 is set to lose at least 1billion dollars in 2007: what year do you predict it will be profitable?

First off, I did answer your question, but let me expound on it a bit more for your grasping. I think that your reasoning behind "PS3 will lose marketshare" is loosely based, first off on it's initial price tag and your perception that it has, and will lose third party support. This is what I argued against in my post and my points still stands against such arguments.

Two things will cause a reduction in the PS3's price, first, emulation is pretty much done with, so the extra costs incurred due the inclusion of the EE+GS on the PS3's circuitry will be gone and relieve cost as a result, secondly, the shift to the 65nm process is on song for early 2007 so we may see a hardware revision very early next year which will reduce the cost factor tremendously. So this is how I believe Sony will make the system a more competitively priced console.

As for Sony losing support I don't see it, Sony's first party studios is the force to be reckoned with this generation, they're bigger and better than before, sharing assets and resources with over 160 games in development, that is a far cry from Nintendo and MS's efforts combined. As for third parties, Capcom has given all platforms support including the original xbox, it's all about staying power, the gamecube received favourable support from them, that changed nothing, the most important franchises remained on the playstation and could be played on the playstation. Dead Rising and Lost Planet are solid titles, but then Monster Hunter and DMC4 are proven franchises, It's easier to envision DR and LP coming over to the PS3 than for MH and DMC4 to come over to the 360, it's just the way it is. By and large the most important franchises are on and has remained on the playstation.

I think 6 million by March of 2007 is, I can easily see another 2-3 million being sold on or around the Euro Launch and in excess of 10 million sold worldwide by June and I see all that happening at the current pricepoint. Ea the biggest third party publisher has said that their next slate of multiplats will take adavantage of the PS3 tech, here's what Criterion had to say about the PS3 for e.g;


Criterion's Director of Design, Alex Ward, the man responsible for Burnout and Black has outlined the unique selling point (USP) in Burnout 5 which is, unsurprisingly, amazingly realistic car crashes!

Ward tells Newsweek in an interview this week that, “The first crash you see on PlayStation 3 has got to go way beyond everything you've ever seen, beyond anything that we've ever done because every time we put our game out, people say, 'It's the best crashes ever in a game.' We've got to go beyond that now."

While Burnout 5 is in development for both Xbox 360 and PS3, Ward makes no attempt to hide the team’s allegiance to PlayStation, noting, “At heart, my guys, the Burnout guys, we're kind of specialists on the Sony system. Because it was always that way on Burnout.”

Ward adds, “There's a lot of negativity everywhere now on PlayStation. And it's just 'cause people haven't got it, haven't seen it. People forget the astonishing stuff Sony have done, not just in the business, but the great software they've brought to us, the great hardware they've brought to us.”


The effectiveness of the Burnout 5 crash is all about what Ward calls "verisimilitude" in a nod to the new Superman movie, “If you didn't believe Superman was real, then you wouldn't believe the story, and you wouldn't understand the end of the film where he has to rewind the earth to save Lois Lane…our verisimilitude is on car crashing. If you don't believe the crash is real, then it's not going to frighten you. Because in Burnout, you see a crash 5,000 times, right? You play through the game and you crash, crash, crash, crash. We think the audience has become desensitized to that.”

So of course the lead at Criterion/Ea shares some of my thoughts on the issue, hell, recently Ea said that they've only been using 20% of the PS3's power, personally I'm thinking even less but that syncs in with my take on these multiplats only making use of the Cell's PPC. Even the lead at Infinity Ward was asking that Sony make COD4 exclusive for their system on the bonus round with Geoff Keighley, so I don't know of the lack of support, I see more support. When I look at GTA, that to me is not a loss and I think the PS3 version will edge out the 360 version anyway due to the advanced optical disk, I think that GTA will sell more copies on the PS3 not only because it will be the superior version, but because that series popularity was born on the playstation and is kinda synonymous to it.

All the xbots, including my good buddy Gerty are clamoring for MGS4, whether it's because of desperation or out of spite but frankly Mcfly, let's honor such a possibility for a second. Even if MGS4 makes it to the 360, it will come out maybe a year later and will have to be downgraded in many instances, what about sixaxis support, what about all the physics simulation going on in that game due to the cell processor, can it fit on a DVD9?. All of these are issues that will arise in porting this and frankly Kojima would rather work on the next ZOE than to port this game with diminishing returns on the xbox. 360 has Halo3 next year, that's their biggest franchise, it's theirs embrace it. Mass Effect looks interesting, but Bioware's lack of polish hurts their franchises IMO no matter how much their titles are praised and their games are not huge sellers in the vein of Halo, GT or GTA, so let's not get ahead of ourselves. Eight Days looks amazing, the Getaway looks striking and both of these title could compete with GTA.


To Gadfly Directly:
I always told you Fly that you have a skewed view of what support is, you were pimping the snort out Ubisoft's support of the Wii. I told you that If a company says it will support a console that means nothing frankly, show me the titles. 1 million subpar ports and lacklustre efforts does not equate to support in my book. Have you been reading the reviews of Farcry Wii, what about the flagship title Red Steel, what's next Gt Pro and blazing angels Wii. Which upcoming Wii game is really going to make the Wii fly Mcfly? Are the tacked on control shceme on Wii Zelda the tip of the iceberg? Seriously, what title do you forsee that will bring this new innovative gameplay to light via the Wii controls, perhaps you've seen something. Whilst you're at it could you please direct me to a title that looks better than an xbox game.

[theWacoKid]

Sony sock puppets are in full damage control mode. Not only does the ps3 have to play catch up to the 360, they're getting slapped silly by the nintendo wii on the sales front. Far more damaging however, is the press and attention the wii is getting from the general public and the gaming and mainstream media. Its all about the wii. The ps3 is mentioned as an afterthought. The lineups at stores each and every morning are not for the ps3, they're for the wii. Not only did sony screw up on the production end, they lost the mindshare battle in embaressing fashion to nintendo this holiday season.

Zilla is a joke, he keeps referring to some conversation at E3 with konami as if konami reps actually gave a sh#$ about this little kiingon asking them questions. If indeed any such conversation even took place. Even if it did, that was back in may, a very long time ago. Fast forward to the present. Hello, anybody home?

Sony has more to worry about than just getting ps3s out, they have to worry about what the hell these ps3 owners are doing with their systems, because it ain't buying games. And that's not a regional issue. They're buying jack in japan, and jack in NA. Here's a rundown on ps3 software sales in NA in november. The figures are somewhat inflated over npd numbers but its good for a comparative guide.

1 Resistance: Fall of Man PS3 Sony 1 80,000
2 Madden NFL 07 PS3 EA 1 39,500
3 Call of Duty 3 PS3 Activision 1 28,000
4 Marvel: Ultimate Alliance PS3 Activision 1 18,000
5 Ridge Racer 7 PS3 Namco 1 14,000
6 Need for Speed: Carbon PS3 EA 1 12,500
7 Tony Hawk Project 8 PS3 Activision 11,500
8 NBA 2K7 PS3 Take 2 1 10,000
9 NBA 07 PS3 EA 1 9,500
10 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 PS3 EA 9,000
11 Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom PS3 Sony 9,000
12 Genji 2: Days of the Blade PS3 Sony 7,000
13 Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire PS3 Bandai 4,000
14 NHL 2K7 PS3 Take 2 3,000

Given that there were 200k sold, and even taking into account the ebay factor, most ebay auctions take place in a day, its clear that a little more than one piece of software was sold per ps3. Any big spike in bluray sales due to the ps3 launch. If you check websites like amazon. com, nope. No bluray blip, nada.

Sony made this announcement which shows how desparate sony is getting.

MotorStorm Best-Selling PS3 Game in Japan
The UK title has won Japanese hearts.
by Daemon Hatfield


December 15, 2006 - Today Evolution Studios announced that its next-gen racing game MotorStorm is the best-selling PlayStation 3 game in Japan.

"It's a real coup for Evolution," says Martin Kenwright, CEO, Evolution Studios. "Developing MotorStorm has certainly not been easy -- but the team here really delivered. Evolution has a reputation for delivering high quality racing titles, but we really needed to up the ante with Sony's new hardware. We're delighted that the public has agreed with the press, and made MotorStorm the current Japanese number one PlayStation 3 title. We can't wait to see how it performs throughout the rest of the world."

Kenwright recently disclosed that his studio is already looking ahead to the PlayStation 4. For the time being, though, MotorStorm is out now in Japan, and will see a North American and Europe release next spring.

Notice how they don't meniton how many, er, should I say, how few copies they sold. Yes, it was the best selling ps3 game in japan. It sold 7k in the inital week, good for #34 spot on the famitsu charts. In other words, it bombed in japan. This is your typical and frankly, unbelievably pathetic sony spin. Winning japanese hearts. Yeah, right, whatever, sony.

[NEO-360]

I do agree though with some of the points. Xbots have been whining and crying about PS3 since its launch. They do more than terminal cancer patient in the last day of his life.

Xbots are only doing what Milk drinkers have done for years:Gloat. Why? Because when you see a game like Gears of War thats officially sold over 2 million copies worldwide in just a month thats reason to cheer and gloat. Why is Xbots very vocal these days? The same reason PS2 owners are so vocal. Because we have what PS3 owners currently dont have:GAMES TO PLAY!!! System Wars..Nothing but Xbot drivel? A thread from a milk drinker thats apparently bent out of shape because nobody has anything to talk about concerning the PS3 other than what all it can do. What about the games people? Other than Resistance:Fall Of Man whats to talk about concerning the PS3 launch? Nothing

The only ones whining about the PS3's launch is PS3 owners that has nothing to play other than PS2 games.

For years alot of us had to endure listening to guys like Folken and a select few of others brag about how the PS2 was the best thing since sliced bread. And the reason they were able to do that is because the PS2 had games to brag about. Right now the Xbox 360 along with the PS2 has plenty of games to play right now. The PS3 doesnt. The Wii at least has Zelda.

Other than that dont get it twisted LastWord. You are a total hypocrite by posting this. You know you're a milk drinker. But lets face it Xbot drivel is just as loud as the milk drinkers here. Only difference now is Xbots has games to brag about, PS3 owners dont have jack but PS2 games to brag about. Choke on that.

"Got Milk?" :rolleyes:

[thelastword]

PS3 shipments have been coming in more regularly than Wii shipments, usually when a bestbuy or walmart has 20 or so PS3's they only receive something like 3 Wii's, of course you must be at these stores at the right time as they are picked up immediately.

PS3 production is only starting to ramp up, the whole fiasco with Ebay is only now calming down due to that fact, it's understandable that software is not selling as exepected, primarily due to the limited installbase and of course all of those scalpers who denied the real gamers. From December and onwards we will witness an improvement to that deficiency as most of the PS3's will be in the hands of the actual gamers.

80,000 copies of RFOM out of 197k is not so bad IMO due to the above, and everyone can be sure that anyone who purchases a PS3 after November will most likely pick up RFOM with it, RFOM may not sell 2 million copies in two months, but as more consoles become available it will stretch it's legs much further than dhalism, the situation here is different and these are the factors involved.

Motorstorm sold 7K in one day, the last day of that week, nobody said that motorstorm would sell a million copies in Japan, I mean who in the eff would buy the million copies, the 240,000 PS3 owners there? Motorstorm is not a Japanese type title as such, but they shouldn't be denied the title either. Motorstorm is EU and NA's type of product and it will come to these territories packed to deliver.

This is only the start, motorstorm will sell even more copies at the end of this week, even resistance has done fairly as a shooter in that region with the present installbase in mind.

[theWacoKid]

I do agree though with some of the points. Xbots have been whining and crying about PS3 since its launch. They do more than terminal cancer patient in the last day of his life.

You're not only a AAA idiot, but an embaressing excuse for a human being. Terminal cancer patients on the last days of their life don't whine, you wretched little piece of sh#$! If you had someone close to you go that way, you'd know better, but being the congenital A-hole that you are, you spout this ridiculous drivel.

[NEO-360]

You're not only a AAA idiot, but an embaressing excuse for a human being. Terminal cancer patients on the last days of their life don't whine, you wretched little piece of sh#$! If you had someone close to you go that way, you'd know better, but being the congenital A-hole that you are, you spout this ridiculous drivel.

Right now I know exactly how that feels. As of right now I have a family member thats dying of terminal cancer as we speak. But sometimes you have to overlook ignorant, thoughtless responses like Folken's. Dont get yourself in trouble. Dont get it twisted I didnt like what Folken's little retort either Waco. Not one bit. But just let it go and move on man.

Lets just concentrate on happy thoughts. And videogames. And laying the smackdown on Capt. Sony and milk drinkers of VGR. Thats what we do best WacoKid! :thumbsup:

[NEO-360]

PS3 shipments have been coming in more regularly than Wii shipments, usually when a bestbuy or walmart has 20 or so PS3's they only receive something like 3 Wii's, of course you must be at these stores at the right time as they are picked up immediately.

PS3 production is only starting to ramp up, the whole fiasco with Ebay is only now calming down due to that fact, it's understandable that software is not selling as exepected, primarily due to the limited installbase and of course all of those scalpers who denied the real gamers. From December and onwards we will witness an improvement to that deficiency as most of the PS3's will be in the hands of the actual gamers.

80,000 copies of RFOM out of 197k is not so bad IMO due to the above, and everyone can be sure that anyone who purchases a PS3 after November will most likely pick up RFOM with it, RFOM may not sell 2 million copies in two months, but as more consoles become available it will stretch it's legs much further than dhalism, the situation here is different and these are the factors involved.

Motorstorm sold 7K in one day, the last day of that week, nobody said that motorstorm would sell a million copies in Japan, I mean who in the eff would buy the million copies, the 240,000 PS3 owners there? Motorstorm is not a Japanese type title as such, but they shouldn't be denied the title either. Motorstorm is EU and NA's type of product and it will come to these territories packed to deliver.

This is only the start, motorstorm will sell even more copies at the end of this week, even resistance has done fairly as a shooter in that region with the present installbase in mind.

Like anybody on G4TV is going to be bragging about Motorstorm for the PS3? LOL! Nope! Gears of War for the 360? You bet! 2 million copies sold worldwide. Nothing on that PS3 game list thusfar will come close to that. Everything else in your post is nothing but hoopla along with weak software numbers to boot. Nothing to get warm and fuzzy about if you're a PS3 owner by any stretch of the imagination. :rolleyes:

[NEO-360]

Interesting post.(I'm guessing that you don't necesarily believe him, Trebor, but the post was more of a reply to Last Word).:p

But Boutros is full of it. This is the same guy who claimed that DMC 3 and 4 were going to the Xbox because Capcom was disappointed in the sales/critical reaction to DMC 2. :rolleyes:

What he seems to forget are that MGS4 won't even be out until Nov. 2007. By that time PS3 supplies will be steady and sales will be in full swing. I'd even go out on a limb and predict that the PS3 install base numbers will be similar to that of the PS2 when MGS2 was released

He's also forgetting that MGS4 is a killer app: people will buy a PS3 just to play MGS4. PS2 sales spiked when MGS2 was released; I expect the same thing to happen this time around despite the $500-$600 price tag.

I'm not even going to reiterate the statements I posted from Team Kojima when I asked them if MGS4 would be coming to the Xbox (it's not). Statements that are repeated by Kojima himself in this month's Gamepro.

Of course, all this is conjecture on my part but the fact that he didn't even address these points says loads about his credibility (and is a main reason why I take anything I read on Joystiq with a pound of salt).

Still, I'm glad you posted it, Trebor.:thumbsup:

Lets see, there are about 5 million Xbox 360's out there. And there is well under a million PS3's out there.(Was last labled just under 400,000 units just a month ago)

And you wonder why Konami is worried about making MGS4 an PS3 exclusive? You are truly putting too much faith into the Sony hype this time around.

Nobody has $500-$600 dollars to just blow for a PS3 when just about everyone has already spent their hard earned money on Christmas already. JPlus there isnt many AAA titles currrently for the PS3 to force this issue of having to have one anytime soon either.

Thanks to the shortage people had to make decisions. And judging by the way Wii's been flying off the shelves along with the way Gears Of Wars has been selling I think its safe to say the PS2 owners, Wii owners ,and owners of The Xbox 360 will be the real winners during this stretch of the holiday season.

At this point the PS2 is a better gaming console than the PS3 is right now.So why should anyone bust their own cajones just to say they have one right now? Right now the PS2 has Bully, Final Fantasy 12,Raw vs. Smackdown, Guitar Hero,and some more cool RPG's just came out as well.

Why buy a PS3 so soon again? Right now the Xbox 360 and the PS2 has the games. The Wii has Zelda. The PS3 has nothing but Resistance and your favorite Motorstorm.:rolleyes:

Inside EGM the rumors were in print that Konami was in fact twisting Hideo Kojima's arm to get ready to start on a 360 port of MGS4. Nobody thought MGS2 was coming to the Xbox either.

But first came the rumors and then shortly after that it became officially a reality.(Could lightning be striking twice?)

Apparently there is another story out there to add to what I've been saying for a minute now. I guess its safe to say that um you along with a few others just may be eating some crow in the near future on this MGS4 issue.

But dont worry you got all that 2% milk to wash it down with. If Konami tells Hideo to make the port guess what? Thats exactly what he will HAVE to do. Remember that.

Plus never say never about any title coming to the Xbox 360. Its all about making money. And if the Xbox 360 has more consoles out there than the PS3 does money talks and BS walks partna! Right now I would keep my eyes wide open for those console numbers in two weeks.

Because if Sony falls well under 900,000 units by this years end alot of game developers just may start thinking about making lots of multiplatform ports in the near future instead of locking up alot of games to be PS3 exclusives.

Let us not forget what Namco said also. Right now its all about high expectations of moving lots of consoles and selling lots of software. Right now everybody else is doing that well except for Sony when it comes to the PS3.:cool:

[ilnadmy]

I hate to admit it, but the Xbots seem to be winning this thread.

A few things I'd like to clear up. First off, the PS3 most definitely is facing problems. Anyone who denies that is blind as a bat. Second, the 360 is selling well compared to the PS3 and the Wii. Again, that's to be expected seeing as it's been out on the market longer.

What TLW is trying to say is that the PS3 is poised to do more in its first year than the 360 did in its first year. And to be completely honest, that's not a very difficult task to accomplish. The 360 has Gears of War and Dead Rising. Other than that, what AAA, must-have exclusives can you get for the 360? The PS3, if all goes to plan, will get Heavenly Sword, DMC4, MGS4, and it already has Resistance. I'm not going to mention all the other games TLW mentioned because I'm not positive they're going to be AAA titles.

The PS3 might bomb in its first year. It might do as well as the 360. And it might blow everything else out of the water. It all depends on how things unfold. But looking at the tentative releases, it looks set to accomplish really big things.

And regarding MGS4, I don't think it will hit the 360 for two reasons. First, it's going to be released in late 2007, meaning all this "there aren't enough PS3s for Konami to make a profit" arguments are unfounded. A LOT can happen in a year, and if nothing else MGS4 will f***ing move consoles. I've said it before and I'll say it again: games like DMC4 and MGS4 will magically cause PS3s to materialize in people's homes overnight (same with Halo 3 and 360s, even though I don't specifically like Halo). And this dovetails into the second reason I don't think MGS4 will make it to the 360: Sony will fight like HELL to keep it exclusive. There are many things Sony, MS, and Nintendo can do to keep games exclusive, and if you think Sony is going to let Metal Gear Solid, probably the most famous series in PlayStation history (after Final Fantasy), fall into multiplat land, you're sorely mistaken. Sony KNOWS the power of MGS. Sony KNOWS what a rabid fanbase that game has. And Sony KNOWS that there are gamers (like me) that will go wherever MGS goes. They're already poised to make a $1 billion loss (according to some post I read in this thread), so what's a few million to keep their most anticipated game PS3-exclusive? MS pays developers money to bring games to their system, I don't see why Sony wouldn't. If all hell broke loose and every single third-party developer in the world made nothing but multiplat games, I can assure you that Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid would be the last two exclusive to leave the PlayStation brand (forgetting for a second that MGS4 is the last in the series :D).

[thelastword]

Inside EGM the rumors were in print that Konami was in fact twisting Hideo Kojima's arm to get ready to start on a 360 port of MGS4. Nobody thought MGS2 was coming to the Xbox either.

But first came the rumors and then shortly after that it became officially a reality.(Could lightning be striking twice?)

Apparently there is another story out there to add to what I've been saying for a minute now. I guess its safe to say that um you along with a few others just may be eating some crow in the near future on this MGS4 issue.

But dont worry you got all that 2% milk to wash it down with. If Konami tells Hideo to make the port guess what? Thats exactly what he will HAVE to do. Remember that.


You want official, this is official, you guys are the most desperate. As I've said before, nothing but xbot drivel, facts are greater than Fud. If these guys are winning then I'll keep on losing, I'm surely drinking 2% and whatever the eff right now.


Konami: "MGS4 is exclusive to PlayStation 3"

Monday 18-Dec-2006 10:27 AM Metal Gear 4 doing a 360? "MGS4 is exclusive to PlayStation 3", Konami tells CVG

5 CommentsThe internet was aflutter with rumours this weekend, as reports speculated that the massive PlayStation 3 Metal Gear Solid instalment, Guns of the Patriots was stealthing its way over to Xbox 360 - rumours that Konami has since debunked to CVG.

"Konami has no plans to bring Metal Gear Solid 4 to the Xbox 360 at this time," a Konami representative told CVG, reiterating that the Hideo Kojima stealth-em-up was still "exclusive to PlayStation 3."
link (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=152210&skip=yes)

[Gadfly2317]

"Konami has no plans to bring Metal Gear Solid 4 to the Xbox 360 at this time," a Konami representative told CVG, reiterating that the Hideo Kojima stealth-em-up was still "exclusive to PlayStation 3."

MGS4 may or may not end up on 360, but your "proof" that it's not coming to 360 is NO PROOF AT ALL. These kind of corporate statements are the same as a mid-term senate candidate claiming "I do not plan to run for president at this time."

Surely you are aware that most of these exclusivity contracts are time-period specific. And it's very telling that the Konami rep you quote makes a point to say "at this time." That leaves it wide open for MGS4 to become a 360 title at a later time.

[TPoD]

The 360 has Gears of War and Dead Rising. Other than that, what AAA, must-have exclusives can you get for the 360?

I like Saints Row an awful lot, and it sells pretty well too.

[TPoD]

MGS4 may or may not end up on 360, but your "proof" that it's not coming to 360 is NO PROOF AT ALL. These kind of corporate statements are the same as a mid-term senate candidate claiming "I do not plan to run for president at this time."

Surely you are aware that most of these exclusivity contracts are time-period specific. And it's very telling that the Konami rep you quote makes a point to say "at this time." That leaves it wide open for MGS4 to become a 360 title at a later time.

True, true. Remember when people said that Grand Theft Auto would never go multiplat? Now look at it...the new one is being released on the 360 on day one right?

[thelastword]

MGS4 may or may not end up on 360, but your "proof" that it's not coming to 360 is NO PROOF AT ALL. These kind of corporate statements are the same as a mid-term senate candidate claiming "I do not plan to run for president at this time."

Surely you are aware that most of these exclusivity contracts are time-period specific. And it's very telling that the Konami rep you quote makes a point to say "at this time." That leaves it wide open for MGS4 to become a 360 title at a later time.

Gadfly just STFU with this BS already, Is Metal Gear confirmed for the 360? No, Is it exclusive to the PS3? Yes, end of story. Should I tell Konami to stiff it and that they don't know if MGS4 is exclusive and believe some douchebag who is living a pipe dream that it will come to the 360 1 year 2 or 3 years later. I'll stick to the facts, Fact is greater than FUD.

[TPoD]

The really funny part is that we are all making this big deal about MGS and the series effing SUCKS anyway.

[Gadfly2317]

Gadfly just STFU with this BS already, Is Metal Gear confirmed for the 360? No, Is it exclusive to the PS3? Yes, end of story. Should I tell Konami to stiff it and that they don't know if MGS4 is exclusive and believe some douchebag who is living a pipe dream that it will come to the 360 1 year 2 or 3 years later. I'll stick to the facts, Fact is greater than FUD.

I never said it was confirmed, just that an executive saying "at this time" doesn't mean much in the world of games. Splinter Cell was an Xbox "exclusive" too. So was GTA III. Douchebags and pipedreams. I'm no 360 fan, and I could care less about MGS 4. We're just speculating about some rumors. And the only reason such trivial speculation could be getting your panties in such a wad is that even you can see the writing on the wall: Sony and its Playstation brand have passed their highwater mark and are now in decline.

If you are now so concerned about just "sticking to the facts" then you do that. . .because its hypocritical for you to join us in speculating about the future, as you do all the time in your epic posts about the "future" of the industry and the future of Ps3. . .NOTHING about the future is fact, it is all speculation. Yeah, you speculate too, TLW, you are not some mighty arbitar of fact.

[Cuddly Knife]

Mercenaries was exclusive for the PS3 for months, and then it became multi-plat.

And il, you can only get Viva Pinata on the 360. A must-play, IMO.

Lost Planet is looking to be a hit soon enough:

Lost Planet Demos Top One Million Downloads
Gamers spend 300,000 hours in deep freeze.
by Patrick Kolan, IGN AU

Australia, December 18, 2006 - Gamers are flocking to the icy environs of Lost Planet in droves, according to Capcom. Both the single-player and multiplayer demos currently available on Xbox Live! have been downloaded over one million times by the global Xbox Live! community. Since the release of the multiplayer demo on November 23, Xbox Live players across the globe have spent nearly 300,000 hours locked in furious combat.

"Xbox 360 players have now had two opportunities to try Lost Planet since the first demo was released in May, and they have in huge numbers," said Hiroshi Tobisawa, President of Capcom Europe. "Since we made the multiplayer demo available through Xbox Marketplace, there have been hundreds of thousands of hours spent playing the game, which is a great testament to the quality of Lost Planet. This latest demo has completely energized the Xbox community, giving them something to look forward to in the New Year, when the next big hit Xbox 360 title hits retail."

Lost Planet's action-packed multiplayer demo is available as a free download on Xbox Live Marketplace. Xbox Live Gold subscribers can experience Lost Planet's highly anticipated multiplayer demo, which lets gamers participate in heated online matches in the "Pirate Fortress" stage with support for up to 16 players via the Xbox Live online game service. Not freaking bad for a short SP demo and one multi-player map. Even with the multi-player smash-hit Gears out on the same system. And to give some props to Capcom: Lost Planet Demo Feedback Isn't Lost
Capcom is implementing changes suggested by you, the faithful tester.
by Daemon Hatfield

December 13, 2006 - After the Lost Planet demo was released on Xbox Live over the Thanksgiving weekend, players unanimously declared that text display for players with standard definition TVs needed to be enlarged. Capcom responded shortly thereafter, and now it seems they've taken many of your other suggestions to heart.

Based on feedback from message boards, email, and blogs, Capcom will be issuing a patch that will be available when Lost Planet launches next month. The patch will largely address Lobby and Matchmaking functionalities, such as:

* Private slots can be set by host
* Invite friends to a match
* Number of players in a room will be displayed next to name of the room
* Players will not be kicked all the way out to the main menu if they try to join a full game
* New button allows players to refresh the match list without going out to the main menu and selecting Quick Match again
* Players will now go to a post-game lobby at the end of a match, not kicked back to the main menu
* The ability to replay a match with the same group without leaving the post-game lobby
* Cycling maps on replayed matches when map selection is set to Random
* Text size on the team selection screen will be greatly increased when using non-HD resolutions
* When manual team selection is set to ON, players will have 20 seconds to form teams
* The time limit on each match will be maxed out at 60 minutes, instead of the current unlimited time
* A player's custom match criteria will now be saved


The people have spoken.

[ilnadmy]

If the MGS series "effing SUCKS" then it wouldn't be such a huge rumor that refuses to go away. However, it is quite understandable that Kojima refuses to port the game over to a system for whom a large part of the install base think the way you do. Can you blame him?

[NEO-360]

Gadfly just STFU with this BS already, Is Metal Gear confirmed for the 360? No, Is it exclusive to the PS3? Yes, end of story. Should I tell Konami to stiff it and that they don't know if MGS4 is exclusive and believe some douchebag who is living a pipe dream that it will come to the 360 1 year 2 or 3 years later. I'll stick to the facts, Fact is greater than FUD.

Is Metal Gear confirmed for the 360? For the moment no it is not. Does that mean that it never will be ported over to the 360 considering that there are more 360's out there than PS3's? Nope. Is MGS4 currently labled as a PS3 exclusive? Yes. Does that mean thats the way things will remain? Nope. MGS2 was a PS2 exclusive too. And what happened? Xbox owners got a version of their own too. So once again lastword whats your point here? Lightning can strike twice on this issue.

Dont get it twisted lastword, it can happen. The only pipe dream here is you believing that it cant happen when in the past it has happened before. It could very well happen again. You'll get over it though. :p

[NEO-360]

If the MGS series "effing SUCKS" then it wouldn't be such a huge rumor that refuses to go away. However, it is quite understandable that Kojima refuses to port the game over to a system for whom a large part of the install base think the way you do. Can you blame him?

MGS series doesnt suck. Its just different. Hideo Kojima can remain as loyal as he wants to be. But, if Konami TELLS him to port over MGS4 to the Xbox 360 then that is exactly what he will do since they sign his checks. Right now its all about making money right? Right.

Right now there are more 360's inside homes than PS3's right? Right. So why remain loyal to one console when you can make even more money by having two consoles with a game that could sell about 4 million copies between the both of them? Is loyalty worth sacrificing an extra 2 million dollars? I dont think so.

[NEO-360]

MGS4 may or may not end up on 360, but your "proof" that it's not coming to 360 is NO PROOF AT ALL. These kind of corporate statements are the same as a mid-term senate candidate claiming "I do not plan to run for president at this time."

Surely you are aware that most of these exclusivity contracts are time-period specific. And it's very telling that the Konami rep you quote makes a point to say "at this time." That leaves it wide open for MGS4 to become a 360 title at a later time.

Thank you very much Gadfly.:cool:

[TPoD]

If the MGS series "effing SUCKS" then it wouldn't be such a huge rumor that refuses to go away. However, it is quite understandable that Kojima refuses to port the game over to a system for whom a large part of the install base think the way you do. Can you blame him?

I am not so sure that I agree with you in that this MGS thing is a "huge rumor". I do agree with you in thinking that an MGS port would not be that big of a deal for the Xbox 360 crowd. The sales would probably be disappointing, but it would be a feather in MS' cap and would also be hilarious. I also doubt that it would cripple Sony sales-wise, but it would definately cripple them psychologically.

Oh, and btw, can anyone here really say that they get juiced for a new MGS game the way they used to for the first couple versions? Maybe saying that it sucks was a bit too strong, but don't you think that it has lost much of its luster?

[ilnadmy]

I actually made my decision to buy a PS3 after seeing the MGS4 trailer. Call me a huge MGS fanboy (which I admittedly am), but I follow MGS like a frat boy follows skirt. Some people have Zelda/Halo/Final Fantasy/Devil May Cry. I have MGS. And that's the way it is for a lot of PS1/2 owners.

[Dancer O_o]

I am not so sure that I agree with you in that this MGS thing is a "huge rumor". I do agree with you in thinking that an MGS port would not be that big of a deal for the Xbox 360 crowd. The sales would probably be disappointing, but it would be a feather in MS' cap and would also be hilarious. I also doubt that it would cripple Sony sales-wise, but it would definately cripple them psychologically.

Oh, and btw, can anyone here really say that they get juiced for a new MGS game the way they used to for the first couple versions? Maybe saying that it sucks was a bit too strong, but don't you think that it has lost much of its luster?

MGS is dead in this country, they so screwed up the story in the last few versions that nobody gives a poo anymore. And Snake is a cool character and all, but zzzzzzzzzzz....

Splinter Cell is another Coffin nail to the MGS series, and another thing about Snake zzzzzzzz....who? Meh...

agreed Prince

[NEO-360]

MGS is dead in this country, they so screwed up the story in the last few versions that nobody gives a poo anymore. And Snake is a cool character and all, but zzzzzzzzzzz....

Splinter Cell is another Coffin nail to the MGS series, and another thing about Snake zzzzzzzz....who? Meh...

agreed Prince

Well Dancer, tell us how you really feel.:p

MGS IMO has always been a cool series thats kinda gone off the track that it first started on many years ago. But I agree that the Splinter Cell series has gotten better while the MGS series has gotten even more weirder.

There has been some improvements though. Snake now has an eyepatch that can zoom in on things. And he has cute little toys that can taser enemies now.In addition now his suit can automatically blend in with any environment he touches.(stuff that you probably already know about) It all sounds cool.

But I still think like you that the SC series runs circles around it. Not to mention if this game does come to the 360 I think alot of folks would buy it. Especially if it has a kick ass multiplayer mode that you can play online. If thats the case then this game definately would be a welcome addition to the 360 librairy if its ported over.

You gotta love the gall of a milk drinker complaining about Xbot drivel in System Wars.:D

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

Oh, and btw, can anyone here really say that they get juiced for a new MGS game the way they used to for the first couple versions? Maybe saying that it sucks was a bit too strong, but don't you think that it has lost much of its luster?

After playing MGS3: Subsistence, I'm actually a little juiced for the new MGS. The camera system used in Subsistence, along with the aiming view that was first introduced in Splinter Cell (and later Gears of War) is also being used in the game, really makes MGS4 pretty interesting. The other two MGS are pretty much unplayable for me nowadays.

With that said, I wouldn't want to play MGS4 on the 360. I played the last MGS on a MS system, and that was a lazy port. No more of those for me.

[thelastword]

Sony and its Playstation brand have passed their highwater mark and are now in decline.

I'm sure it is Gadfly and Nintendo is on it's way up I suppose. Hell all that support from Ubisoft with great titles like Gt Pro, Monster 4X4, Red Steel, Far Cry Wii, Rayman Raving Rabbids, the PS3 is surely missing quite a bit here. Playstation on a decline....shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit....I guess the 664,000 PS2 units sold in November pales in comparison to the Wii figures of 476K, I guess 900K worth of FF12 for the month is an abysmal failure against the 412K copies of Zelda sold. I guess that the 340,000 copies of gundam sold in japan this past week is bullocks and the 280,000 copies of Yakuza 2 means nothing as well with these titles claiming #1 and #2 on that list respectively. Hell Blue Dragon on the effing 360 outsold Zelda in Japan including Wii Sports. Sony is on a decline, their franchises are dying, it's all rosey for Nintendo franchises, they're on the up, effing A dude. GH2 netted 20.2 million in revenue just like good old Zelda in NA. The Nintendo system (the Wii) is kicking the crap out of the Playstation...believe...One great game overshadows a million great games. Facts mean nothing, Metal Gear is crap despite the fact that it's ranking 93-94% at gamerankings and has outsold it's nearest competitor by a landslide. You surely have convinced me now.


If you are now so concerned about just "sticking to the facts" then you do that. . .because its hypocritical for you to join us in speculating about the future, as you do all the time in your epic posts about the "future" of the industry and the future of Ps3. . .NOTHING about the future is fact, it is all speculation. Yeah, you speculate too, TLW, you are not some mighty arbitar of fact. Dude, there's no hypocrisy involved here, it's a simple situation. MGS4 is exclusive to the PS3, the rumours were debunked officially by Konami, there's no reason for speculation anymore. If MGS4 is announced for the 360 then so be it, but until that is done it is exclusive, end of story. FACTS greater than FICTION.

[thelastword]

Mercenaries was exclusive for the PS3 for months, and then it became multi-plat Yeah! I wasn't aware of that, could you provide a linky? thanks, Ohhh.. and yes, Lost Planet is exclusive to the 360.

By the way, curious, how many copies of Viva got sold on the 360? thanks in advance Knife.

[thelastword]

Is Metal Gear confirmed for the 360? For the moment no it is not. Does that mean that it never will be ported over to the 360 considering that there are more 360's out there than PS3's? Nope. Is MGS4 currently labled as a PS3 exclusive? Yes. Does that mean thats the way things will remain? Nope. MGS2 was a PS2 exclusive too. And what happened? Xbox owners got a version of their own too. So once again lastword whats your point here? Lightning can strike twice on this issue.

Dont get it twisted lastword, it can happen. The only pipe dream here is you believing that it cant happen when in the past it has happened before. It could very well happen again. You'll get over it though. :p

I don't give a flying buffoon that you want to continue to speculate even after a big NO from Konami central. Fact: MGS4 is exclusive to the PS3 and it's scheduled for release late in 2007. Fud: MGS4 could come to the XBOX 360 a year after the PS3's 2007 release I think. I'm cool with the fact thanks, in good cheer, hope your downgraded port pans out by christmas 2008, most probably I would have beaten Killzone3 a couple of time and be tearing some asphalt in GT5. Thanks for playing though.

[thelastword]

It's funny, the comments about MGS's suckitude, SC is the contender right? It's going at 85% right now, fallen from grace, no? Sales figures are way lower than Chaos theory as well, We'll see how MGS4 compares to SC4, hell, even SC5 in terms of reviews and sales. Reading some of the comments here you would swear that the SC creator was the one inducted into the Video Game Hall of fame as best director. Lol, MGS is more popular than SC, it sells more companies and has a higher review aggregate, end of story.

[Gadfly2317]

Metal Gear is crap despite the fact that it's ranking 93-94% at gamerankings and has outsold it's nearest competitor by a landslide. You surely have convinced me now.

We can debate some of that other stuff, but you'll get no argument from me over the greatness of Metal Gear compared to the dreadfully boring Splinter Cell. Sure, I'm no longer personally interested in playing the Sneaking Genre, but at the time, on my beloved Ps1, Metal Gear Solid was one of my favorite games, right up there with Gran Turismo (another one where recent installments have left me underwhelmed.)

[trebor]

I'm a lying sack of sh!t and enjoy spreading misinformation.

It's all true.

[NEO-360]

I don't give a flying buffoon that you want to continue to speculate even after a big NO from Konami central. Fact: MGS4 is exclusive to the PS3 and it's scheduled for release late in 2007. Fud: MGS4 could come to the XBOX 360 a year after the PS3's 2007 release I think. I'm cool with the fact thanks, in good cheer, hope your downgraded port pans out by christmas 2008, most probably I would have beaten Killzone3 a couple of time and be tearing some asphalt in GT5. Thanks for playing though.

Let us reflect back to what was said. No Xbox 360 ports of MGS4 are to be made"at this time." What does that mean? Not as of right now. For now its still a PS3 exclusive. Just like Assassin's Creed was supposed to have been too. But that changed. Just like at one point in time The Raw/ Smackdown series used to be. That changed. Just like the Grand Theft Auto series used to be a Sony exclusive. That changed. So for now you're right. For now.

Killzone 3? LOL! Killzone 1 didnt fair so well. The so-called Halo killer was a flop. Killzone:Liberation for the PSP had crappy reviews too. So now you're busy bragging about you cant wait to be playing Killzone 3? Boy, it dont take much to please you huh? Guess not. GT5? Seen one you've seen em all. Cant wait to see how much Sony charges for those wonderful downloads for GT5. So far lastword you've only shown that you are all flash and no substance. Most milk drinkers are.:cool:

[ilnadmy]

Killzone: Liberation got crappy reviews? Umm.....what? That's news to me. Do you even do any research before you post, or do you just make random guesstimates based on the position of the sun in the sky?

[thelastword]

Killzone 3? LOL! Killzone 1 didnt fair so well. The so-called Halo killer was a flop. Killzone:Liberation for the PSP had crappy reviews too. So now you're busy bragging about you cant wait to be playing Killzone 3? Boy, it dont take much to please you huh? Guess not. GT5? Seen one you've seen em all. Cant wait to see how much Sony charges for those wonderful downloads for GT5. So far lastword you've only shown that you are all flash and no substance. Most milk drinkers are.:cool:Still arguing Metal Gear huh! hope that works out for you. Anyway....

Killzone was a solid shooter with lofty ambitions, there were some excellent parts in that game, but certain parts was not as solid partly due to the hardware which couldn't always sustain such ambitions, In the end, I think Killzone had enough in it to provide a good enough single player campaign and a very solid multiplayer effort, hell, Killzone is still being played online to date and since you like figures so much, it has sold over 5 million copies worldwide. Now perhaps the reason why it was a bit rough around the edges was partly due to the dev, but solid graphics, some of the best reloading animations you'll see in any game last gen are all plusses towards it. I think Guerilla has been beefed up tremendously in view of Sony's approach to development at SWWS. I'm not saying that Killzone3 will be the Halo3 Killer, I think the media hyped up the firstone towards that, in anycase I think this upcoming effort will be grander. It only takes one really solid effort for certain devs to crank up and shift up, hopefully this is what will happen to Guerilla especially with the new talent that they possess.

[Zilla Man]

MGS4 may or may not end up on 360, but your "proof" that it's not coming to 360 is NO PROOF AT ALL. These kind of corporate statements are the same as a mid-term senate candidate claiming "I do not plan to run for president at this time."

Surely you are aware that most of these exclusivity contracts are time-period specific. And it's very telling that the Konami rep you quote makes a point to say "at this time." That leaves it wide open for MGS4 to become a 360 title at a later time.

Gaddy, the team Kojima guys I spoke to at E3 were very adamant about why Kojima didn't port MGS3 over to the Xbox and why MGS4 would never be on the 360:

http://forums.videogamereview.com/showthread.php?t=6799

A good example of this is when I asked one of the guys from Kojima studios at the Konami booth if there was ever going to be a Metal Gear for the 360 - even a port. He said "No" because although Kojima likes the machine, he thinks the Xbox crowd is different than the PS and Nintendo gamers. and doesn't think it would be worthwhile for him.(He didn't elaborate but I'm guessing probably means the emphasis on shooters, military sims, etc. over fantasy But Kojima is planning on something for the Wii).


Sales from MGS2 on Xbox were poor. Sony sees MGS4 as a PS3 killer app and has a tight hold on the franchise. If that doesn't convince you, there's blurb in this month's GamePro where Kojima himself states why MGS4 won't be coming to the 360. I already chucked my issue but I'll see if I can get it again.

It'd be like DMC coming to the Xbox or the 360. Could Capcom do it? Yes. Will they? No .They'd never risk alienating Sony that way. Certain games belong to certain platforms.

MGS4 could come to the 360 like Dick Cheney could admit that invading Iraq was a bad idea. It could happen but I wouldn't hold your breath.

[TPoD]

It's funny, the comments about MGS's suckitude, SC is the contender right? It's going at 85% right now, fallen from grace, no? Sales figures are way lower than Chaos theory as well, We'll see how MGS4 compares to SC4, hell, even SC5 in terms of reviews and sales. Reading some of the comments here you would swear that the SC creator was the one inducted into the Video Game Hall of fame as best director. Lol, MGS is more popular than SC, it sells more companies and has a higher review aggregate, end of story.

Actually I would think that your boy Kojima would get more nods for best director since in Metal Gear you do more watchin' than playin'. Damn corny too if you ask me. Of course, Splinter Cell does not do it for me anymore either, but at least there is more playin' than watchin'.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

MGS3. I've dogged this game every since it came out. And after a couple of years of owning the original I just finished the single player campaign (Subsistence). The game is horribly paced I don't think anyone who has actually played the game can deny this. But damn once you get to the point where you rescue Golokov(?) The scientist and the boss battle against the Electric dude from that point on the rest of the game is really capitivating the chase scene was incredible. The last escort mission almost made me quit again.

People who love this series you really can't argue with them. Because the very reason people love it is the reason others hate it. The over bearing cut scenes and horrible dialouge some people actually like that. One thing I've come to accept about this series is that it's not a stealth game I played the whole game on hard and made no attempt at stealth. One of the miltary guys even mention it at the end snake is a mixture of soldier and a spy. Sam Fisher is a spy and his game is a stealth game. The comparsions are as ridiculous as comparing Halo to DMC. The game are not even remotely the same.

Lastword you are full of shiz. You go on about people not having facts then you mention a bunch of Xbox games that are not announced for PC and say they are like that's a fact. You spout out bogus sales numbers and in general have no definitive facts. You take comments completely out of text and give the meanings that suit you and then have the audacity to talk about facts??

Dealing in the here and now Sony is having problems there games do not look as good as 360 games on hold. Sony first party are so good. The same first party that released Genji, NBA 07. Resistance does not stand up to Gears of War and I've actually played the game all the way through on co-op (my brother whom I've just visted over the last week owns a PS2). Where the F@# is the a.i. every one was talking about in this game?

Sony has a uphill battle this gen there is no arguing there past success but history is by no means a prediction of future events.

[thelastword]

Resistance does not stand up to Gears of War and I've actually played the game all the way through on co-op (my brother whom I've just visted over the last week owns a PS2). Well when he gets a PS3 you can let us know, till then you can just STFU.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Well when he gets a PS3 you can let us know, till then you can just STFU.

Even though I had a Typo it's obvious he does have one.

[Cuddly Knife]

I don't know Zilla. You could be right, but then, RE5 is showing up on the 360. I never would've thought that series would've gone to that system. There hasn't been a Resident Evil on the XBOX, even though they ported RE4 to the PS2.

[ilnadmy]

You're right about one thing, DT, and that's that the reason some people hate MGS is the same reason others love it. Personally, I'm playing through Double Agent on my Xbox, and the almost-complete lack of exposition in the game is really off-putting. I make a huge decision, and then it's mission over, time to get started on the next mission. WTF? No repercussions? No cutscene explaining what happened or how your actions affected anything? Nope. Just a short voice-over explaining what happened (i.e. repeating your choice back to you) and then you move on.

To me, the cutscene is the reward I want for completing a segment of the game. I want plot. I want story. Yeah Splinter Cell is fun, but it's just a loose collection of levels tied together with a flimsy plot. THAT'S why I love MGS. When I get through a section of the game, I know EXACTLY why I'm doing it, and it leads to another task which I fully understand and comprehend.

*Disclaimer* I haven't finished Double Agent, so please no one make any comments about specific story elements. As much as I love plot, it's no surprise that my biggest frustration comes when someone ruins a movie/book/game I'm going through.

Thanks. :D

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

You're right about one thing, DT, and that's that the reason some people hate MGS is the same reason others love it. Personally, I'm playing through Double Agent on my Xbox, and the almost-complete lack of exposition in the game is really off-putting. I make a huge decision, and then it's mission over, time to get started on the next mission. WTF? No repercussions? No cutscene explaining what happened or how your actions affected anything? Nope. Just a short voice-over explaining what happened (i.e. repeating your choice back to you) and then you move on.




MGS3 the gameplay is the reward for watching the cutscenes especially at the begining but I digress:D

For me the reward is gameplay. A cool set piece like in Half life 2 the game was basically a race from point a to point b. But they through in so many cool moments. The first helicopter fight. The first time you get to drive the buggy. The fights against the stilt walkers in the city. These little moments to me are the reward. In traditional console games it was the cool boss battles that switched up the game play that was the reward. But that just my better than average opinion :thumbsup:

[NEO-360]

You're right about one thing, DT, and that's that the reason some people hate MGS is the same reason others love it. Personally, I'm playing through Double Agent on my Xbox, and the almost-complete lack of exposition in the game is really off-putting. I make a huge decision, and then it's mission over, time to get started on the next mission. WTF? No repercussions? No cutscene explaining what happened or how your actions affected anything? Nope. Just a short voice-over explaining what happened (i.e. repeating your choice back to you) and then you move on.

To me, the cutscene is the reward I want for completing a segment of the game. I want plot. I want story. Yeah Splinter Cell is fun, but it's just a loose collection of levels tied together with a flimsy plot. THAT'S why I love MGS. When I get through a section of the game, I know EXACTLY why I'm doing it, and it leads to another task which I fully understand and comprehend.

*Disclaimer* I haven't finished Double Agent, so please no one make any comments about specific story elements. As much as I love plot, it's no surprise that my biggest frustration comes when someone ruins a movie/book/game I'm going through.

Thanks. :D

From the 1st one to Pandora Tomorrow to Chaos Theory to Double Agent Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell series has gotten better and better with each chapter. From graphics to gameplay this series IMO is truly the better stealth game than Metal Gear has been in 3 attempts.

I used to play Metal Gear back when it first debuted on the NES. Back then it was about stealth. MGS indeed took it to a whole new level. After that I dunno what happened. It was still entertaining. But it was kinda cooky at times though.

I love the fact that in the SC series you're put in situations that you cant kill people so it makes you have to play things differently. Dont get it twisted I love the boss battles in Metal Gear. I truly do. I just wish this game would go back to its roots and go back to being a great stealth game. Overall IMO the SC series is better. But the MGS series is more popular. :thumbsup:

[NEO-360]

I don't know Zilla. You could be right, but then, RE5 is showing up on the 360. I never would've thought that series would've gone to that system. There hasn't been a Resident Evil on the XBOX, even though they ported RE4 to the PS2.

Not to mention the next Grand Theft Auto will also be released on the 360 at the same time its released for the PS3. Who ever would have thought that Smackdown vs. Raw would've been on the 360 and not on the PS3? With 3rd parties like this on board the 360's chances for survival has clearly gone up IMO.:p

[Zilla Man]

From the 1st one to Pandora Tomorrow to Chaos Theory to Double Agent Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell series has gotten better and better with each chapter. From graphics to gameplay this series IMO is truly the better stealth game than Metal Gear has been in 3 attempts:

Yeah, this is coming from the same guy who couldn't even get past the first Splinter Cell's lock picking tutorial without asking VGR members for help! :rolleyes:

Okay, NEO, whatever you say...

[ilnadmy]

Who ever would have thought that Smackdown vs. Raw would've been on the 360 and not on the PS3?

WEEEEEEE AAAAAAAREEEEEE DOOOOOOOOOMEDD!!!!!!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

[NEO-360]

Yeah, this is coming from the same guy who couldn't even get past the first Splinter Cell's lock picking tutorial without asking VGR members for help! :rolleyes:

Okay, NEO, whatever you say...

Gotta love that. Ever since then I've learned how to pick those locks alot better with Pandoar Tomorrow, Chaos Theory,and now Double Agent. All great games.Cant wait till the next one. Good one Zilla Man. I owe ya one.:D

[ilnadmy]

So you've been wiggling the left analog stick a lot better with every new iteration of Splinter Cell? Good for you!

[NEO-360]

So you've been wiggling the left analog stick a lot better with every new iteration of Splinter Cell? Good for you!

The fun you are going to have.Try not to throw your joystick into the wall. Its going to take a couple of times before you put that last boss down. Besides, the crap that Zilla Man was talking about was back when the 1st SC came out. I really didnt know how to deal with the lockpick thing in the beginning. So I asked for help. Most of the guys around here never let me live that down. Its all good. Its not like I dont have dirt on them too.

Will you be buying MGS4 when it comes out?:cool:

[Gadfly2317]

The fun you are going to have.Try not to throw your joystick into the wall. Its going to take a couple of times before you put that last boss down. Besides, the crap that Zilla Man was talking about was back when the 1st SC came out. I really didnt know how to deal with the lockpick thing in the beginning. So I asked for help. Most of the guys around here never let me live that down. Its all good. Its not like I dont have dirt on them too.


The main reason no one lets you live it down is because in the tutorial, all you had to do was READ THE WORDS on the screen: it TOLD you how to pick the lock. . . and the reason why this continues to be funny is because you continue to do the same thing when you respond to people's post. . . . you DON'T READ AND RESPOND TO THE ACTUAL WORDS PEOPLE WRITE.

Hey as long as we're off topic and reminsicing. . . .The other thing we love is when you got your ass whipped online by Folken in some game and then you claimed it was your little brother that had been playing online instead of you.

[slade]

Hey as long as we're off topic and reminsicing. . . .The other thing we love is when you got your ass whipped online by Folken in some game and then you claimed it was your little brother that had been playing online instead of you.

LOL, that was one of the funniest days on this site. The loser even backpedalled and said it was him all along.

[ilnadmy]

Will you be buying MGS4 when it comes out?

Why yes, yes I will.

Hey as long as we're off topic and reminsicing. . . .The other thing we love is when you got your ass whipped online by Folken in some game and then you claimed it was your little brother that had been playing online instead of you.

Haha I missed that. What game was it?

[slade]

Haha I missed that. What game was it?

Capcom vs. SNK 2 for Xbox Live.

From all accounts, the only thing Moody could do was spam Guile's Flash Kick over and over again.

[NEO-360]

The main reason no one lets you live it down is because in the tutorial, all you had to do was READ THE WORDS on the screen: it TOLD you how to pick the lock. . . and the reason why this continues to be funny is because you continue to do the same thing when you respond to people's post. . . . you DON'T READ AND RESPOND TO THE ACTUAL WORDS PEOPLE WRITE.

Hey as long as we're off topic and reminsicing. . . .The other thing we love is when you got your ass whipped online by Folken in some game and then you claimed it was your little brother that had been playing online instead of you.

I can take it as well as I can dish it. Its all good. I'm glad you guys continue to live in the past. The more things change the more things stay the same.:thumbsup: