Analyst Expects 900,000 PS3's Sold by Year's End

[Zilla Man]

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4405&Itemid=2

"USA Today reports that stores will be promising Wii stock in their Sunday circulars, leading to probable campouts, as more PS3 shipments are also expected; analyst predicts 900,000 PS3s, 1.5 million Wiis sold by year-end.
This weekend will mark one of the last chances to nab one of the hard-to-find consoles before Christmas.

Andy Estes of Nearby Networks, which runs PS3seeker and Wiiseeker, told the paper, “We believe there are going to be Wiis held and released Dec. 17 and that will be the last shipment before Christmas. We think there might be a PS3 shipment about the same time."

A Toys R Us spokesperson said the chain will receive an additional PS3 and Wii shipment after this weekend. Stores including Toys R Us and Circuit City are expected to advertise stock in their circulars.

American Technology Research’s P.J. McNealy said he believes retailers will be "trapping inventory" for Sunday, adding “[This weekend] realistically will be the last big shopping day of the year. I expect people to start camping out on Saturday again."

By year-end, McNealy said that he expects 900,000 PS3's and 1.5 million Wiis to sell in the US."

Wow, that's a lot of early adopters - on both consoles!

Regradless of whenther this happens or not, we all know the real battle begins in March and rages throughout the 2007 Holiday season.

[Mochan]

This place will be quieting down around mid-January I guess for a couple of months before we all get into a flurry again.

[NEO-360]

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4405&Itemid=2

"USA Today reports that stores will be promising Wii stock in their Sunday circulars, leading to probable campouts, as more PS3 shipments are also expected; analyst predicts 900,000 PS3s, 1.5 million Wiis sold by year-end.
This weekend will mark one of the last chances to nab one of the hard-to-find consoles before Christmas.

Andy Estes of Nearby Networks, which runs PS3seeker and Wiiseeker, told the paper, “We believe there are going to be Wiis held and released Dec. 17 and that will be the last shipment before Christmas. We think there might be a PS3 shipment about the same time."

A Toys R Us spokesperson said the chain will receive an additional PS3 and Wii shipment after this weekend. Stores including Toys R Us and Circuit City are expected to advertise stock in their circulars.

American Technology Research’s P.J. McNealy said he believes retailers will be "trapping inventory" for Sunday, adding “[This weekend] realistically will be the last big shopping day of the year. I expect people to start camping out on Saturday again."

By year-end, McNealy said that he expects 900,000 PS3's and 1.5 million Wiis to sell in the US."

Wow, that's a lot of early adopters - on both consoles!

Regradless of whenther this happens or not, we all know the real battle begins in March and rages throughout the 2007 Holiday season.

The Wii has a better chance making the 1.5 million mark than 900,000 PS3's being out by the end of this year. Has the PS3 even surpass 400,000 yet? Hell at this point people have to go buy gifts for their families. The shortage of PS3's may have cost Sony big time for the holiday rush.Just simply throw out $600 bucks weeks before this years end? Aint gonna happen.

If people have a spare $600 bucks they may get a PS3. But since their isnt alot of games worthy of purchasing a PS3 right away why should they run to the stores and buy it now? Yeah the real battle wont happen until about March and beyond of 2007. By then the PS3 should have something to talk about.:rolleyes:

Other than that like I said before the Wii just may make the 1.5 million mark. But the PS3 wont even come close.:aureola:

[Gamer88]

Would you be willing to bet on that?

It will at least come close, the only way it wouldn't would be if they had a severe shortage of units.

I've seen no indication thus far that people are reluctant to buy the ps3.

With ps2 userbase of over a kazillion people don't you think its probable that a high enough percentage of that said userbase is fanatical enough to purchase the ps3 at the 600 price tag regardless of games?

hell, how large would the percentage even have to be?

[Mochan]

The only way the PS3 won't make 900k is if there aren't enough PS3s on the shelves. Like we've said over and over the PS3s are flying off the shelves, selling like pancakes, etc. regardless of whether there are no games out for it, people don't have $600 spare cash, people have like $800-$1000 alloted to buy the PS3.

[NEO-360]

Would you be willing to bet on that?

It will at least come close, the only way it wouldn't would be if they had a severe shortage of units.

I've seen no indication thus far that people are reluctant to buy the ps3.

With ps2 userbase of over a kazillion people don't you think its probable that a high enough percentage of that said userbase is fanatical enough to purchase the ps3 at the 600 price tag regardless of games?

hell, how large would the percentage even have to be?

Back just over two weeks ago the PS3 wasnt even over 400,000 mark as Sony expected. So you're buying into the hype that 500,000 more units at $600 bucks a pop will sell within two weeks? I dont think so. Plus there isnt any system sellers on the PS3 roster to help push those PS3's out.

The Wii had Zelda. The 360 currently has Gears Of War. The PS3 only has Resistance:Fall Of Man. Good game but is it good enough to push 500,000 units out by this years end? Highly unlikely.

The PS2 fanbase is still intact. Indeed it is. But why should those guys buy PS3's right now when there are alot of great games STILL ON THE PS2? Right now it wouldnt surprise me if Sony got to at least 600,000 units sold by December 31 of this year. But 900,000? Those analysts are smoking the same dope George W. Bush has been smoking for two terms now. IMO its not going to happen.:cool:

[PapaSmurf]

Back just over two weeks ago the PS3 wasnt even over 400,000 mark as Sony expected. So you're buying into the hype that 500,000 more units at $600 bucks a pop will sell within two weeks? I dont think so. Plus there isnt any system sellers on the PS3 roster to help push those PS3's out.

The Wii had Zelda. The 360 currently has Gears Of War. The PS3 only has Resistance:Fall Of Man. Good game but is it good enough to push 500,000 units out by this years end? Highly unlikely.

The PS2 fanbase is still intact. Indeed it is. But why should those guys buy PS3's right now when there are alot of great games STILL ON THE PS2? Right now it wouldnt surprise me if Sony got to at least 600,000 units sold by December 31 of this year. But 900,000? Those analysts are smoking the same dope George W. Bush has been smoking for two terms now. IMO its not going to happen.:cool:

Duh, it's not about the games for those people in Sony fanbase, it's about that graphical upgrade they're going to get. These are the same people that passed on Xbox 360 waiting for the PS3. They haven't gone anywhere, they're just waiting to get their hands on that PS3. It's not like the PS3 won't play their PS2 games. PS3 graphics > PS2 graphics. That's what its about, really doesn't matter what games are available atm. The people getting PS3's now know or at least assume it'll pay off in the future. There were still alot of great games on the PS1 when the PS2 came out and that didn't change a thing. Actually FFIX for PS1 came out after the PS2 came out.

You know history has a habit of repeating itself, you'd be a fool to think there aren't 500,000 people of the 6 billion in the world that aren't willing to buy a PS3. I mean can you honestly tell me that you expect to go in a store in the next couple weeks and tell me you expect to find a PS3 sitting idly on a shelf with people just passing it up? Get out of here.

[NEO-360]

Duh, it's not about the games for those people in Sony fanbase, it's about that graphical upgrade they're going to get. These are the same people that passed on Xbox 360 waiting for the PS3. They haven't gone anywhere, they're just waiting to get their hands on that PS3. It's not like the PS3 won't play their PS2 games. PS3 graphics > PS2 graphics. That's what its about, really doesn't matter what games are available atm. The people getting PS3's now know or at least assume it'll pay off in the future. There were still alot of great games on the PS1 when the PS2 came out and that didn't change a thing. Actually FFIX for PS1 came out after the PS2 came out.

You know history has a habit of repeating itself, you'd be a fool to think there aren't 500,000 people of the 6 billion in the world that aren't willing to buy a PS3. I mean can you honestly tell me that you expect to go in a store in the next couple weeks and tell me you expect to find a PS3 sitting idly on a shelf with people just passing it up? Get out of here.

How many PS3's has been sold as of right now? When you get that number get back with me. Its not about doubting the drive of the Milk drinkers of America in terms of them wanting to buy a PS3. Its all about timing. People has to buy christmas gifts for the families. Things that are currently available.

Even if more PS3's makes it out within these last two weeks of 2006 Sony will not reach 900,000 units sold right here in America. Yes, you can play PS2 games on your PS3. But why buy a PS3 if the PS2 still has plenty of life in it right now? Thats going to be the frame of mind of most gamers right now. Until something comes along that truly makes you want to have a PS3 why buy it now?

Most PS3 owners are buying PS2 games anyway. Dont believe it? Check the software charts. Either way you cut it Sony wont make those numbers by this years end. Hype or no hype.:p

[PapaSmurf]

You act like people don't buy last minute gifts. Then again some people will just buy a PS3 just to have one and not for a christmas present. I seriously think the only way Sony doesn't sale those PS3's is if they don't have them available.

I have no doubt that most PS3 owners are buying PS2 games, hell when I had PS2 the christmas it came out, that's what I was doing for PS1 games. This is just one of those things we'll have to see play out, but I think Sony will pull it off because of the hype considering the they have units availabe.

Also this is for the month of december not just xmas. Remember there is a week after xmas of decemeber and best believe those are some the biggest shopping days of the year with people returning things and stuff and getting things they actually wanted like I dunno....a PS3

[Gamer88]

The PS2 fanbase is still intact. Indeed it is. But why should those guys buy PS3's right now when there are alot of great games STILL ON THE PS2? Right now it wouldnt surprise me if Sony got to at least 600,000 units sold by December 31 of this year. But 900,000? Those analysts are smoking the same dope George W. Bush has been smoking for two terms now. IMO its not going to happen.

Why should they buy it? good question. Maybe they shouldn't buy it

but in all probability they will buy it, because that is what fanboys/fantatics do...its just brand loyalty

you know...the name NEO-360 sounds..well...belonging of a person with a little too much zeal

I'd wager you know a fair bit more about brand loyalty than even an early PS3 adopter

[NEO-360]

Why should they buy it? good question. Maybe they shouldn't buy it

but in all probability they will buy it, because that is what fanboys/fantatics do...its just brand loyalty

you know...the name NEO-360 sounds..well...belonging of a person with a little too much zeal

I'd wager you know a fair bit more about brand loyalty than even an early PS3 adopter

Milk drinkers and videogame fanatics alike indeed may plan on owning a PS3 someday. But that doesnt mean that they are going to run to buy it before this year is over. 900,000 units by this years end is a very tall order that I dont believe will be accomplished. And with good reason. I dont have any loyalty. I go where the games are.

Currently the Wii & the 360 has that. The PS3 currently doesnt. Even the PS2 currently has that. If the PS3 had more console pushers in its lineup then I could see Sony reaching those numbers by the years end. But since they dont look for Sony to fall about between 200,000 or 300,000 units short.:aureola:

[NEO-360]

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4405&Itemid=2

"USA Today reports that stores will be promising Wii stock in their Sunday circulars, leading to probable campouts, as more PS3 shipments are also expected; analyst predicts 900,000 PS3s, 1.5 million Wiis sold by year-end.
This weekend will mark one of the last chances to nab one of the hard-to-find consoles before Christmas.

Andy Estes of Nearby Networks, which runs PS3seeker and Wiiseeker, told the paper, “We believe there are going to be Wiis held and released Dec. 17 and that will be the last shipment before Christmas. We think there might be a PS3 shipment about the same time."

A Toys R Us spokesperson said the chain will receive an additional PS3 and Wii shipment after this weekend. Stores including Toys R Us and Circuit City are expected to advertise stock in their circulars.

American Technology Research’s P.J. McNealy said he believes retailers will be "trapping inventory" for Sunday, adding “[This weekend] realistically will be the last big shopping day of the year. I expect people to start camping out on Saturday again."

By year-end, McNealy said that he expects 900,000 PS3's and 1.5 million Wiis to sell in the US."

Wow, that's a lot of early adopters - on both consoles!

Regradless of whenther this happens or not, we all know the real battle begins in March and rages throughout the 2007 Holiday season.

Sony sticks to PS3 targets
Sony president Ryoji Chubachi says 2 million PS3s worldwide by the end of 2006 and 6 million by March is "within our reach"; PS3 production issues could be history.
By Tim Surette, GameSpot
Posted Dec 14, 2006 10:27 am PT
It's no secret that Sony has had some manufacturing issues with its coveted PlayStation 3. The main culprit has been the production of the system's blue laser diode, which has caused shortages of the PS3 in the US and Japan and a delay of the console's release in Europe.

But if Sony president Ryoji Chubachi's recent words are any indication, it seems Sony has ironed out the bumps in the PS3's manufacturing process. Not only that, but Sony may meet its projection of having 2 million PS3s shipped worldwide by the end of 2006 and 6 million worldwide by March 2007, when the console is scheduled to launch in Europe.

Speaking before the media in Tokyo, Chubachi said, "It is true that it took us some time to bring the PS3 to mass production as blue laser availability worked as a bottleneck. But 2 million and 6 million are within our reach," according to Reuters.

Industry watchers had expressed concern that Sony wouldn't be able to meet those numbers after launch sales results indicated that the company missed its initial shipment targets. However, Chubachi's comments seem to indicate that things are now on track for the electronics giant.

Sony was expected to have 400,000 PS3s available in North America for the system's launch, but industry-sales tracker NPD reported that only 197,000 units were sold in the US--which was expected to have the bulk of the shipment.


Smoking mirrors perhaps or for real? :idea:

[T.Tashi]

Sony was expected to have 400,000 PS3s available in North America for the system's launch, but industry-sales tracker NPD reported that only 197,000 units were sold in the US--which was expected to have the bulk of the shipment.


Smoking mirrors perhaps or for real? :idea:

That IS the bulk of the shipment. Assuming one knows the geography of the entire continent of North America. Do the math.

[NEO-360]

That IS the bulk of the shipment. Assuming one knows the geography of the entire continent of North America. Do the math.

Just because Sony plans to send out alot doesnt mean that 900,000 units will be sold by this years end either. Timing is everything. :thumbsup:

[Gadfly2317]

Those analysts are smoking the same dope George W. Bush has been smoking for two terms now. IMO its not going to happen.:cool:

Clear thinking indicates that all Ps3 units produced this year will be sold. . .if Sony can manufacture and deliver 900,000 units, it will sell 900,000 units.

Just for the record, Bush isn't smoking any dope, and that's why he can't think around things. George WASHINGTON was the dope smoker, and look at the military strategies HE came up with. A little rag-tag army whipped the mighty Britsh, yet George Bush can't manage a pissant country like Iraq with the biggest army in the world.

Dope isn't the problem, it's stupid people. Like people who spout other people's thoughts and fill their posts with misquoted cliches like "smoking mirrors" and "whole nine yards in a nutshell." Indeed.

[NEO-360]

Clear thinking indicates that all Ps3 units produced this year will be sold. . .if Sony can manufacture and deliver 900,000 units, it will sell 900,000 units.

Just for the record, Bush isn't smoking any dope, and that's why he can't think around things. George WASHINGTON was the dope smoker, and look at the military strategies HE came up with. A little rag-tag army whipped the mighty Britsh, yet George Bush can't manage a pissant country like Iraq with the biggest army in the world.

Dope isn't the problem, it's stupid people. Like people who spout other people's thoughts and fill their posts with misquoted cliches like "smoking mirrors" and "whole nine yards in a nutshell." Indeed.

Once again, just because 900,000 units may get shipped before this years end doesnt mean that all those consoles will sell out. Sony doesnt want people to get nervous. Of course they are going to reassure people that everything is cool. Smoking mirrors like I said.

So far I havent seen you produce any numbers on how many PS3's thus far has been sold since November. When you can do that Gadfly then and only then will your limp"theory" will have possible validation. Thanks for the history lesson though. Dont quit your day job.:rolleyes:

[Gadfly2317]

Smoking mirrors like I said. The cliche you are attempting to use is "smoke and mirrors" tard boy.

So far I havent seen you produce any numbers on how many PS3's thus far has been sold since November. When you can do that Gadfly then and only then will your limp"theory" will have possible validation. Thanks for the history lesson though. Dont quit your day job.:rolleyes: Hey asshat, the December #'s aren't out yet because december is not over. And it's not MY "limp theory". . how about you go down to any store in whichever podunk Ohio city you live in and see how many Ps3's are sitting there unsold on the shelf.

All you have to do is turn on the news to see that Wii's and Ps3's are selling out every single new shipment that's hit retail. Again, not my THEORY, it's just a simple fact.

Reality. Check it out sometime. It actually exists.

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/hughes/8250
"As you know, it's impossible to find a Sony PS3 or Nintendo Wii in stores."

[Cuddly Knife]

If I saw PS3s just sitting at Wal-Mart one day while shopping, I'd probably scrape up enough cash asap to run to the store and get one of those bad boys. I know I'm not the only one. Like everyone else has said except NEO, if Sony can whip out 500k systems in 2 weeks, they'll sell 500k systems in 2 weeks.

[Mochan]

I'm sure they'll sell, I'm just not sure Sony can ship them. If I were Neo, my argument would center around Sony not producing enough units, rather than whatever other drivel is being thrown around regarding smoking mirrors. (man that is sooo a classic)

[Zilla Man]

Smoking mirrors perhaps or for real?

The cliche you are attempting to use is "smoke and mirrors" tard boy.


ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!:lol:

[Renzatic Gear]

If I saw PS3s just sitting at Wal-Mart one day while shopping, I'd probably scrape up enough cash asap to run to the store and get one of those bad boys. I know I'm not the only one. Like everyone else has said except NEO, if Sony can whip out 500k systems in 2 weeks, they'll sell 500k systems in 2 weeks.

I dunno. In my neck of the woods, I can go out and grab the 20 gig PS3 pack quite easily. While the $600 models sell out as soon as they hit the shelves, no one here seems to want to touch the gimped model with a 10 foot pole.

[NEO-360]

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!:lol:

I think those two things in your mouth Zilla Man belongs to Gadfly.:D

[NEO-360]

The cliche you are attempting to use is "smoke and mirrors" tard boy.

Hey asshat, the December #'s aren't out yet because december is not over. And it's not MY "limp theory". . how about you go down to any store in whichever podunk Ohio city you live in and see how many Ps3's are sitting there unsold on the shelf.

All you have to do is turn on the news to see that Wii's and Ps3's are selling out every single new shipment that's hit retail. Again, not my THEORY, it's just a simple fact.

Reality. Check it out sometime. It actually exists.

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/hughes/8250
"As you know, it's impossible to find a Sony PS3 or Nintendo Wii in stores."

We'll see when the final numbers come around in a couple of weeks. Sony will fall short of 900,000 units sold by this years end. Of course there isnt any PS3's on the shelf.

Especially when each shipment thats sent is so small it does in fact makes it appear like its hard to keep in stock doesnt it? Yep. Smoke & mirrors.(Smoking mirrors:ebonic term)

The only fact Gadfly is that there isnt any PS3's on the shelves of every retailer. Wiis are actually selling off the shelves like mad.(And there are plenty of those in stock unlike the PS3)

But, like I said we'll see when the smoke clears and the dust settles that 900,000 units will not happen in two weeks. Win, lose, or draw you make sure you post those numbers. Either way either I'll be eating crow or you'll be eating it along with a nice cold glass of that 2% milk you drink every day around here.:D

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

If I saw PS3s just sitting at Wal-Mart one day while shopping, I'd probably scrape up enough cash asap to run to the store and get one of those bad boys. I know I'm not the only one.

I would be tempted, until I look at the games that are out for the system. Then I'd remember what I already have to play on the Cube and 360, and decide not to get it at that time.

Actually, someone would probably club me in my noggin and take the PS3 before I had a chance to decide what to do.

[NEO-360]

I would be tempted, until I look at the games that are out for the system. Then I'd remember what I already have to play on the Cube and 360, and decide not to get it at that time.

Actually, someone would probably club me in my noggin and take the PS3 before I had a chance to decide what to do.

LMAO!! Good one RBH! :thumbsup:

[ilnadmy]

Smoking Mirrors. Hidden Phrasebook.

Waaaattaaahhh!!!!! Hiiiiiiiyaaaa!!!!

[Gadfly2317]

The only fact Gadfly is that there isnt any PS3's on the shelves of every retailer. Wiis are actually selling off the shelves like mad.(And there are plenty of those in stock unlike the PS3) I know there aren't an Ps3's sitting around on shelves. That's what I WAS SAYING.

"But, like I said we'll see when the smoke clears and the dust settles that 900,000 units will not happen in two weeks. Win, lose, or draw you make sure you post those numbers. Either way either I'll be eating crow or you'll be eating it along with a nice cold glass of that 2% milk you drink every day around here.:D

WTF is wrong with you???!!!!! Do you even remember what it was we were talking about, or what you said that I was rebutting? You said: "Once again, just because 900,000 units may get shipped before this years end doesnt mean that all those consoles will sell out. Sony doesnt want people to get nervous. Of course they are going to reassure people that everything is cool. Smoking mirrors like I said. "

Now you are saying that "yes they are selling out but they can't manufacture 900,000 units," which is WHAT I WAS SAYING IN THE FIRST PLACE. You changed your argument 180 degrees to MY argument. Are you really that damned retarded????

How is posting the numbers going to cause any crow to be eaten when it was ME who said I don't know how many units Sony will ship, just that they would sell ALL UNITS SHIPPED? Here's a breakdown on what we said though I have little faith you can comprehend:

Moody: Just because Sony ships 900,000 units doesn't mean they will sell out.
Gadfly: Sony will sell out however many they ship: IF they ship 900,000 they will sell 900,00.
Moody: There isn't any Ps3's on the shelves.
Gadfly: OF course there aren't Ps3's on the shelves, that's what I SAID IN THE FIRST DAMNED PLACE, THEY ARE SELLING EVERY PS3 THEY MANUFACTURE YOU RETARDED PIECE OF SH!T, IT WAS YOU REGGIE MOODY WHO SAID THAT SONY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SELL OUT A SHIPMENT OF 900,000 UNITS!!!!!!!!

Gadfly: dabs blood running from burst vessel in eyeball.

[NEO-360]

I know there aren't an Ps3's sitting around on shelves. That's what I WAS SAYING.



WTF is wrong with you???!!!!! Do you even remember what it was we were talking about, or what you said that I was rebutting? You said: "Once again, just because 900,000 units may get shipped before this years end doesnt mean that all those consoles will sell out. Sony doesnt want people to get nervous. Of course they are going to reassure people that everything is cool. Smoking mirrors like I said. "

Now you are saying that "yes they are selling out but they can't manufacture 900,000 units," which is WHAT I WAS SAYING IN THE FIRST PLACE. You changed your argument 180 degrees to MY argument. Are you really that damned retarded????

How is posting the numbers going to cause any crow to be eaten when it was ME who said I don't know how many units Sony will ship, just that they would sell ALL UNITS SHIPPED? Here's a breakdown on what we said though I have little faith you can comprehend:

Moody: Just because Sony ships 900,000 units doesn't mean they will sell out.
Gadfly: Sony will sell out however many they ship: IF they ship 900,000 they will sell 900,00.
Moody: There isn't any Ps3's on the shelves.
Gadfly: OF course there aren't Ps3's on the shelves, that's what I SAID IN THE FIRST DAMNED PLACE, THEY ARE SELLING EVERY PS3 THEY MANUFACTURE YOU RETARDED PIECE OF SH!T, IT WAS YOU REGGIE MOODY WHO SAID THAT SONY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SELL OUT A SHIPMENT OF 900,000 UNITS!!!!!!!!

Gadfly: dabs blood running from burst vessel in eyeball.

But you believe that Sony can have 900,000 PS3 units sold by this years end and I dont. Thats what this thread is all about right? Right. You say that if they ship 900,000 units they will in fact sell them right? Right. I dont believe that will happen because people have to buy christmas gifts for their families.

Not to mention its about that time to get ready for the bills too. So by early next year when people get their income tax checks then you may see a huge increase of PS3's sold. I never said that Sony couldnt manufacture that many. :rolleyes:

I said that they wouldnt dare send too many right now because it would spook the hell out of people if alot of PS3's were actually on the shelf not being bought. So how do you make people think its selling like IHOP hotcakes? You send a very small amount to each retailer. Smoke & Mirrors. The Wii is selling like mad and its available on the shelves of every retailer. Huge difference.

Other than that Gadfly you need to go see somebody about that temper of yours.Broadcasting my name with such haste makes you look like you didnt take your Midols on time today with your milk. :D

Calm down man, its only a videogame forum not a singles chatroom for fair-haired young men like yourself in search for a junior high school cheerleader.:eek:

[Gadfly2317]

I said that they wouldnt dare send too many right now because it would spook the hell out of people if alot of PS3's were actually on the shelf not being bought. So how do you make people think its selling like IHOP hotcakes? You send a very small amount to each retailer. Smoke & Mirrors.
OK, so now I think I understand your conspiracy theory. The main hole in the "intentional shortage conspiracy theory" is this: Sony's launch has not benefited from the shortages, it's been a major source of humiliation and bad press for the company. Making gamers anxious as to whether or not they'll be able get their hands on your product is one thing, not even meeting the measely 400,000 promised units is another. There is no secret stockpile of PS3's somewhere, being hidden in order to avoid the embarrasment of them sitting on the shelves. That's more whacked than the "flat earth theory."

The Wii is selling like mad and its available on the shelves of every retailer. Huge difference. Then how is the Wii selling like mad if its sitting on the shelves?

Your theory is, the Ps3 is selling like crap because there aren't any available, and the reason there aren't any available is because Sony knows they will sit on shelves unsold and is thus hiding them somewhere.

The second part of your theory says that the Wii is "flying off the shelves" even though you claim there's plenty sitting on store shelves. You do realize you can't be sitting and flying at the same time. Right? Please tell me you can understand that. Seriously. Please.

And anyway, where in the hell are you seeing Wii's just sitting around on shelves. . . for more than a few hours after a fresh shipment? At least around where I live, and at online stores, and in media reports, the Wii is not sitting on the shelves. It's sold out, and continues to sell out everytime more arrive at a store.

Other than that Gadfly you need to go see somebody about that temper of yours.Broadcasting my name with such haste makes you look like you didnt take your Midols on time today with your milk. :D Yes, I'm losing my temper because I'm on my period :rolleyes: and not out of frustration at my own unfounded attempt to reason with an imbecile. Yes, read that sentence again, I'm mad at myself right now, not you.

[NEO-360]

OK, so now I think I understand your conspiracy theory. The main hole in the "intentional shortage conspiracy theory" is this: Sony's launch has not benefited from the shortages, it's been a major source of humiliation and bad press for the company. Making gamers anxious as to whether or not they'll be able get their hands on your product is one thing, not even meeting the measely 400,000 promised units is another. There is no secret stockpile of PS3's somewhere, being hidden in order to avoid the embarrasment of them sitting on the shelves. That's more whacked than the "flat earth theory."

Then how is the Wii selling like mad if its sitting on the shelves?

Your theory is, the Ps3 is selling like crap because there aren't any available, and the reason there aren't any available is because Sony knows they will sit on shelves unsold and is thus hiding them somewhere.

The second part of your theory says that the Wii is "flying off the shelves" even though you claim there's plenty sitting on store shelves. You do realize you can't be sitting and flying at the same time. Right? Please tell me you can understand that. Seriously. Please.

And anyway, where in the hell are you seeing Wii's just sitting around on shelves. . . for more than a few hours after a fresh shipment? At least around where I live, and at online stores, and in media reports, the Wii is not sitting on the shelves. It's sold out, and continues to sell out everytime more arrive at a store.

Yes, I'm losing my temper because I'm on my period :rolleyes: and not out of frustration at my own unfounded attempt to reason with an imbecile. Yes, read that sentence again, I'm mad at myself right now, not you.

The Wii continues to sell out because people are buying them in droves. Not because of the shipments are coming in at only 5-6 units per store like Sony is doing with the PS3.There are lots of Wii's being delivered to each and every store. And when they arrive they sell out.

Why? Lets see: The console is only $250 dollars. It has games on it already. And its more family oriented as well. Plus you can download a butload of old games. Not to mention you can play your old Gamecube games.

Those are the reasons why the Wii is currently outselling the PS3. That IS a fact. From every magazine to the airwaves of G4TV. Everyone is buzzing that the Wii as of right now is outselling the PS3.

Sorry you dont understand the ole bait and switch technique the companies use. Its used to make consumers think that their products are is such high demand. By doing this they arent tipping off the public that their expectations of how much should've been sold hasnt been met.

Just a month ago only about 400,000 PS3 units were in fact bought. But Sony firmly believes that 500,000 more units by this years end will in fact be sold putting them up to 900,000 units in the bag.

Sony could ship all those consoles right now if they wanted too. Believe that. But if they did how would that look? Tons of Wii's flying off the shelves while alot of PS3's are sitting there? They cant have that. So by using the bait and switch technique guys like you falls for it and blindly believes that this thing is so hot it cant stay on the shelf.

You are losing your temper because you cant handle the truth perhaps? :idea: Mayyybe.

[ilnadmy]

The console is only $250 dollars. It has games on it already. And its more family oriented as well. Plus you can download a butload of old games. Not to mention you can play your old Gamecube games.

PS3 checklist:

$250? Nope.
Has games on it already? Check.
Family oriented? Nope (for the sake of the argument).
Download old games? Check.
Can play old PS1/2 games? Check.

So basically your REAL argument is that the Wii is selling like crazy because it's cheaper and family oriented. So stop trying to make it sound like the PS3 is lacking in the features department.

[NEO-360]

PS3 checklist:

$250? Nope.
Has games on it already? Check.
Family oriented? Nope (for the sake of the argument).
Download old games? Check.
Can play old PS1/2 games? Check.

So basically your REAL argument is that the Wii is selling like crazy because it's cheaper and family oriented. So stop trying to make it sound like the PS3 is lacking in the features department.

Its called the Wii is selling like crazy not only because it has a reasonable pricetag but it has the gimmick joystick that has gamers going nuts. Nobody is saying that the PS3 is lacking in the features department.

The PS3 is lacking where it counts the most: Not alot of games! Right now the PS3 doesnt have alot of games that appeals to gamers right now. Resistance:Fall of Man is the only title in the PS3's line up thats worth mentioning. But lets face it its no Zelda.

Games on the PS2 at this point is better than anything thats labled PS3. So at this point in time the PS2 is actually a better gaming machine than the PS3 currently is. And currently the Wii is clearly kicking the crap out of the PS3 in all aspects. I know that makes milk drinkers sick to hear but its the truth.:aureola:

[Gamer88]

It's kind of strange, I was talking to my friend recently who works at book and music exchange, and he says he has a PS3 on the shelf (its been there for a few days). Of course, another friend was actually going to buy it, to sell it on ebay, but thankfull I warned him against that.

[Gadfly2317]

The Wii continues to sell out because people are buying them in droves. Not because of the shipments are coming in at only 5-6 units per store like Sony is doing with the PS3.There are lots of Wii's being delivered to each and every store. And when they arrive they sell out.


I know the Wii's are selling out. That's what I said! YOU were saying there were plenty of Wii's IN STOCK on store shelves in your post 12-18-2006 05:15 PM. When confronted with your own BS, you just change your argument, and now you are saying what I was saying to begin with and acting like you are telling me something new.

You really are insane, aren't you? Stark raving schizo.

[NEO-360]

I know the Wii's are selling out. That's what I said! YOU were saying there were plenty of Wii's IN STOCK on store shelves in your post 12-18-2006 05:15 PM. When confronted with your own BS, you just change your argument, and now you are saying what I was saying to begin with and acting like you are telling me something new.

You really are insane, aren't you? Stark raving schizo.

Apparently you dont comprehend well. So let me say it again just a little slower for you. You can go to any videogame retailer and find Wii consoles at any given moment. As fast as they are put on the shelves they are selling just as fast. If you are in hunt for a PS3 good luck.

Since most stores are only shipping about 4-6 units a store. Thats what I am saying. The Wii is outselling the PS3 4-1. Confronted with my own BS? You're the one constantly throwing insults and name calling. I'm simply replying to threads.

But yet you're calling me insane and schizo? Alrighty then.:rolleyes:

[Gadfly2317]

You can go to any videogame retailer and find Wii consoles at any given moment.
No. You cannot go into any videogame retailer and find Wii consoles at any given moment.

As fast as they are put on the shelves they are selling just as fast. This statement is true and its what I've been saying all along. Wii's are selling every unit shipped as fast as they get there. That is why you CANNOT GO INTO ANY RETAILER AND FIND A WII JUST SITTING ON THE SHELF AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT.
You really can't see how your two statements are completely contradictory?



If you are in hunt for a PS3 good luck. Exactly. And this is also what I've been saying all along. Except for the rare lucky find, you are not going to see either a Wii or Ps3 just sitting on the shelf right now. EVERY PS3 SHIPPED IS SELLING. That's ALL I've ever been contending here is that both systems are selling all shipped units. All we can know for a FACT is that the Wii is outselling Ps3 solely because it shipped more.

You can GUESS that Ps3 wouldn't still be selling out if it shipped more, and you can GUESS Wii would be outselling Ps3 if they both had unlimited #'s available, but that's all it is, a GUESS. And personally, I hope your guess is right: that if both had millions of units sitting on shelves, consumers would pick the innovative Wii over the Mee-Too Ps3.

I am a NIntendo fan, in case you've forgotten, and I hope Wii contninues to outsell Ps3 as the Ps3 and Wii both become easily available next year, but for now Wii only outsells Ps3 because more were available at launch.

[NEO-360]

I am a NIntendo fan, in case you've forgotten, and I hope Wii contninues to outsell Ps3 as the Ps3 and Wii both become easily available next year, but for now Wii only outsells Ps3 because more were available at launch.


You're still a Nintendo fan huh? Good. So am I. I guess we both share some of the same feelings after all. Plus I guess you heard about Virtua Fighter 5 is also coming to the Xbox 360 as well as the PS3? Thats huge!!!! Boy Sony better get on the ball before Nintendo and MS be standing tall while they be on the outside looking in.:cool:

[NEO-360]

They apparently fell 150,000 units short by the end of 2006.:(

[Dancer O_o]

So stop trying to make it sound like the PS3 is lacking in the features department.

Unfortunately the PS3 is lacking in one thing very much it seems. For me that's a big one, no forcefeed back steering wheels this time is not good, I don't care how you spin it. I do not care if the Sixaxis control is spot on perfect, cars are not truly driven in this manner. FF was as close as you can get to the real thing. The true lack is the fact the the PS3 simply will not do FF at all, straight from the Corp. Office talking mouth of Sony. Sometimes I'd swear Sony is trying to drive it's fans into Microsofts arms. Forza 2 is probably going to be every bit as good as the first one, and a lot better looking. And with true FF included (althought that wheel is very expensive) I would imagine racing fans that loved GT before will have no choice but to look at Forza as a viable alternative if they want a realistic racing experience.

1. Sony had an edge in racing with GT and the FF wheels they had...and they tossed it this time like idiots
2. Sony had a great thing with Dual Shock, and incorporating Sixaxis with Dual Shock would have been superlative...and they tossed dual shock like a old boot, another idiotic move

Sony was doing everything great for a long time, and now, I just don't know

"Force Feedback on PS3? Not So Much
A Gran Turismo game without force feedback? Say it ain't so!
By Luke Smith, 01/04/2007
A NeoGAF post pointing to a GT Planet post raised our eyebrows at the possibility that Force Feedback (an Immersion-patented tech [the rumble guys, remember]) would not function on Sony's PS3. Force feedback response control is a big deal to racing fans and fans of Sony's Gran Turismo series are likely jonesing for the fifth installment of the game with a slick FF wheel.
Sony Computer Entertainment America confirmed that there would be no supported force feedback technology with its PlayStation 3. They told 1UP the following:

All PS3 games are programmed for the SIXAXIS which doesn't have force feedback, therefore the force feedback in the wheels won't be recognized.
No word this time on whether there will be a racing wheel that supports "leaning technology" where the SIXAXIS motion-control functionality can be integrated into a wheel. We're joking, but it's through tears."

linkypoo: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3156211

on a different note ilnadmy, I hope to get the MGS game for the PSP that came out the other day since it gets some stellar reviews. I'm willing to give it another try. At least where the PSP is concerned Metal Gear trumps Splinter Cell badly, as SC on the PSP gets ass sucking reviews

[Mochan]

Unfortunately the PS3 is lacking in one thing very much it seems. For me that's a big one, no forcefeed back steering wheels this time is not good, I don't care how you spin it. I do not care if the Sixaxis control is spot on perfect, cars are not truly driven in this manner.

Ironic indeed; rumble is a big thing in driving/simulation games, the six axis control is something I can see usable in driving and sim games but taking away FF is a shame. I don't care much for force feedback but it was nice to have.

I don't see why they don't create driving wheels with some kind of FF tech in it, as this will obviously not interfere with six axis sensors, unless they are lying again about why they took ff out -- we all know that it's because they lost to Immersion anyway -- and doing so would mean they'd have to develop their own FF libraries this time around.

[NEO-360]

Ironic indeed; rumble is a big thing in driving/simulation games, the six axis control is something I can see usable in driving and sim games but taking away FF is a shame. I don't care much for force feedback but it was nice to have.

I don't see why they don't create driving wheels with some kind of FF tech in it, as this will obviously not interfere with six axis sensors, unless they are lying again about why they took ff out -- we all know that it's because they lost to Immersion anyway -- and doing so would mean they'd have to develop their own FF libraries this time around.

When you've played games with it for so long it becomes second nature to feel that rumble during gameplay. I love playing games like Smackdown and Tekken with the dual shock stick for the PS2. When I first picked up a PS3 joystick I noticed right away just how light it was. I didnt like holding it at all compared to holding a PS2 controller.

Especially when playing driving games. Force feedback was a cool addition to have. I love that on the PS2 and the Xbox controllers.

I've been reading about this Six Axis control for the PS3. Hasnt been getting alot of good press as of late. Even though the"SIXAXIS" offers unique gameplay mechanics with its motion-sensing capabilities the lack of rumble and a headset input on the thing IMO is kind of a disappointment in my book.:(

[SavageSoldier]

I just buy what has all the stuff I want and the 360 does right now. So what if the ps3 has what people "think" will be tripple A titles coming later this year as long as I've got good games to play on the 360 then I don't care which system has the better graphics. If the 360 had the power that the ps3 has then everybody'd be getting one. The ps3 ain't doing nothing that impresses me right now. All it has is superior graphics. I don't care about the blu ray because all it does is play expensive movies that look good. I can just watch a movie at home and not care if it looks like it was made by some high tech aliens. Sony only has MGS4, DMC4, Heavenly Sword and Lair so far. The 360 has Halo 3. That's enough to put up a fight right there. If the ps3 titles live up to their expectations then ok, so what. Halo 3 might kill every one of them.

[Mochan]

I see Neo's disciple has finally shown up.

[theWacoKid]

I've seen ps3s on shelves and behind glass. Not a lot of units, one or two. I've yet to see a wii in the wild of a retailer's shelves. People are still lining up in front of best buys to snag a wii. The controllers are still hard to come by. The ps3 is something I could've bought mulitple times. The wii, not even close.

The wii is hotter, its that simple. Will it stay hotter and if so, for how long. I've had the chance to play the wii a couple of times at my cousin's house. I don't think the wii is going to have staying power, unless they get a lot more meat to these games. Tennis I"m already bored stiff by. All you do is swing the racket. Its just not enough to sustain interest, the novelty wears off quickly along with the retrograde simplisitc graphics. Bowling works well, but its too easy. Golf is atrocious, boxing tiring, and baseball is limited to pitching and hitting. Honestly, who here would actuallly pay $50 for wii sports as a standalone package.

Here's a link to gamestop advertising ps3s at a local store.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/01/07/gamestop-pulls-out-creative-stops-to-move-ps3s/

Locally, I'm not seeing ps3s in stock at the moment. Canada seems to have gotten short shipped in general. Launch numbers here were especially pathetic. My cousin also picked up a ps3 which I helped set up last night on their projector. We popped in a bluray movie, and tried out a few demos. My cousin had problems because the interface is hardly intuitive and can be quite confusing, especially with initial set ups. The thing that struck me the most is that I can get around a lot quicker on the 360.

No vibration is a big bummer. It affects gameplay. Anyone who says different is in a state of denial. I got killed a number of times in the resistance demo simply because I wasn't paying close enough attention to my health bar. You can't feel the shots so you have to rely on visual signs like your healthbar. In the F1 demo, you can't feel when you're going off track. As it is, the sixaxis controller is still the worst controller for fps games. The sticks, stick and aiming accurately and making fine adjustments is a PITA, just like with the regular dualshock.

I can only hope that the full game of Resistance has better AI than the demo. The cpu AI in the demo is hands down the dumbest and most irritating I've experienced in ages. I would watch with incredulity as teammate AI would gravitate to my position and actually set themselves up directly in my line of fire. Thanks, guys.

The ps3 has a nice feature set, its the better do it all machine, but after playing the resistance demo, the only ps3 game I had any interest in, I feel like I dodged a bullet. I know I'm not going to enjoy this game, the sixaxis is the inferior controller for an fps and I really didn't care much for what I played, regardless.

[PapaSmurf]

The reality with the PS3 I think is in smaller areas, there are going to be more PS3's on the shelves just because of the people who would live in that area. You guys bring up San Francisco and say that there have been PS3's sighted there. Says who? Can someone accurately portray this for me?

I was at home in Los Angeles for the xmas and I couldn't find one for my life. I wasn't even going to buy one I just wanted to see if they had any since you all claim to see these things everywhere. I even went down San Diego for some businesss I had to take care of and a friend and I went out looking for PS3's at at least 5 different shops and they didn't have them either. As for PS3's being available I definitely haven't seen them in big areas. I haven't even seen them here in Annapolis Maryland. I was at the mall yesterday and they didn't have it either. That's three different cities I've been too and I haven't seen a thing and ya'll expect me to believe they have PS3's just lying around in SF? Maybe in timbucktoo, MI they have some lyin around, but definitely not in any major city, and I can at test to that. Hell I was even in Seattle a couple weeks after the PS3 launched during Thanksgiving and I didn't see any then either, so I guess that's really four cities I've been too in the past month.

You guys do me a favor please and next time you see a PS3 lying around can you please take a picture, I know ya'll have camera phones (seems as if you can't even find a cell without one nowadays). I really don't think you guys are lying, but from what I have seen it just seems like a load of crap, and can you really blame me?

Oh and NEO...your were right and I was wrong. You're up 1-0 for the New Year

[Gadfly2317]

The reality with the PS3 I think is in smaller areas, there are going to be more PS3's on the shelves just because of the people who would live in that area. You guys bring up San Francisco and say that there have been PS3's sighted there. Says who? Can someone accurately portray this for me?

I was at home in Los Angeles for the xmas and I couldn't find one for my life. I wasn't even going to buy one I just wanted to see if they had any since you all claim to see these things everywhere. I even went down San Diego for some businesss I had to take care of and a friend and I went out looking for PS3's at at least 5 different shops and they didn't have them either. As for PS3's being available I definitely haven't seen them in big areas. I haven't even seen them here in Annapolis Maryland. I was at the mall yesterday and they didn't have it either. That's three different cities I've been too and I haven't seen a thing and ya'll expect me to believe they have PS3's just lying around in SF? Maybe in timbucktoo, MI they have some lyin around, but definitely not in any major city, and I can at test to that. Hell I was even in Seattle a couple weeks after the PS3 launched during Thanksgiving and I didn't see any then either, so I guess that's really four cities I've been too in the past month.

You guys do me a favor please and next time you see a PS3 lying around can you please take a picture, I know ya'll have camera phones (seems as if you can't even find a cell without one nowadays). I really don't think you guys are lying, but from what I have seen it just seems like a load of crap, and can you really blame me?

Oh and NEO...your were right and I was wrong. You're up 1-0 for the New Year

I haven't seen them everywhere because I haven't been out hunting for them, but where I saw them in SF was at the Sony store in the Metreon. There were even big signs in the windows saying "Playstation 3's in stock."

[Mochan]

No vibration is a big bummer. It affects gameplay. Anyone who says different is in a state of denial.

Or maybe they just don't find it a big deal. As a PC gamer primarily I am used to not having rumble in first person shooters and it's no biggie to me. I only get rumble on my PC in games I play on a gamepad, like Marvel Ultimate Alliance. That said of course I am miffed that the PS3 controller doesn't have rumble. And is not a batarang.

I got killed a number of times in the resistance demo simply because I wasn't paying close enough attention to my health bar. You can't feel the shots so you have to rely on visual signs like your healthbar.

In that case Resistance has some gameplay issues that should have been addressed: the screen shaking or blood smearing your vision should have been added as visual cues when you are near death. You don't need rumble for it, it's just poor deisgn choice.


Papasmurf, I'll take a pic of the lone PS3 sitting in the mall here next time I go. It's been sitting there for a while. Not a surprise though; units like this sell a lot slower in my country. If it's any consolation the 360 that was selling since last year is *still* there even after numerous price cuts.

BTW I am thinking of picking it up (the 360), since mod chips are available for it already. Nothing definite though as I don't really need it yet.

[NEO-360]

I see Neo's disciple has finally shown up.

And there is more to come Mochan. (The NEO World Order is coming....) :eek:

[Gadfly2317]

And there is more to come Mochan. (The NEO World Order is coming....) :eek:

What I'd love to see is the NEO World Odor vs Empire Arcadia.

That would be even more fun and depraved than bumfights. Remember that oldy but goody?

http://www.bumfights.com/

[Gadfly2317]

I haven't seen them everywhere because I haven't been out hunting for them, but where I saw them in SF was at the Sony store in the Metreon. There were even big signs in the windows saying "Playstation 3's in stock."

I saw PS3's, but no Wii's in an SF Best Buy today. There was also one behind one of the registers on the floor, which I snapped a cell phone picture of. I have no idea how to send it to you or post it to this site, but anyway. . .if you really are that skeptical I'm sure I could figure out something.

[Gadfly2317]

I haven't seen them everywhere because I haven't been out hunting for them, but where I saw them in SF was at the Sony store in the Metreon. There were even big signs in the windows saying "Playstation 3's in stock."

I saw PS3's, but no Wii's in an SF Best Buy today (mission district, 13th and Harrison.). There was also one behind one of the registers on the floor, which I snapped a cell phone picture of. I have no idea how to send it to you or post it to this site, but anyway. . .if you really are that skeptical I'm sure I could figure out something.

[theWacoKid]

I saw PS3's, but no Wii's in an SF Best Buy today (mission district, 13th and Harrison.). There was also one behind one of the registers on the floor, which I snapped a cell phone picture of. I have no idea how to send it to you or post it to this site, but anyway. . .if you really are that skeptical I'm sure I could figure out something.

I was at Best Buy today to return an item. I went early, first thing in the morning. They had wiis in stock. First time I've seen them in the wild. But, there were a slow but steady stream of purchasers for the wiis. I checked back a couple of hours later. The last two units were being pawed over by prospective wiiers. They also had a lone ps3. Nobody checked it out and it was still there unsold when I left. If I was a sony rep, I'd be worried, very worried.

[ilnadmy]

Well the PS3 has sold 750,000 systems in its first 6 weeks while the 360 managed 600,000 in the same time period, so comparatively I don't think it's doing too bad. Compared to the Wii though, even the PS2's birth looks like a total flop.

[NEO-360]

Well the PS3 has sold 750,000 systems in its first 6 weeks while the 360 managed 600,000 in the same time period, so comparatively I don't think it's doing too bad. Compared to the Wii though, even the PS2's birth looks like a total flop.

Thats about 600,000 units on top of what was already out there too. The PS3 is currently at 750,000 worldwide. Overall the PS3 is supposed to be targeted by analysts to sell at least 75 million units by the year 2010.

If thats the case then they better do something drastic to turn the tide around. Because at this rate that simply isnt going to happen. Right now Nintendo and MS is ahead. At least Nintendo has sold over 1.4 million Wii's. Sony hasnt even reached a million yet with the PS3.

They didnt reach 900,000 units by the end of 2006. So forgive me if I balk at analysts saying that 75 million PS3 units will be sold within 3 years from now. I aint buying it.:aureola:

[Mochan]

Well in all honesty I don't think the PS3 isn't selling 75 million by 2010 either.

[SavageSoldier]

75 million? more like 7.5 million.

[ilnadmy]

No Neo, 360 sold 600,000 in its first six weeks after it was launched in November 05, I didn't mean it sold 600,000 these past six weeks. Compared to the PS3 which sold 750,000 in its first six weeks, the PS3 is doing comparatively better.

[Gadfly2317]

75 million? more like 7.5 million.

"With a dry, cool wit like that, I could be an action hero!"--Homer Simpson

See, I told you it could be arranged.

[theWacoKid]

No Neo, 360 sold 600,000 in its first six weeks after it was launched in November 05, I didn't mean it sold 600,000 these past six weeks. Compared to the PS3 which sold 750,000 in its first six weeks, the PS3 is doing comparatively better.

The exact npd figures for the 360 were 615k for 2006 in NA. You have no npd figures for the ps3 for december, they haven't been released yet.

Regardless, let me reiterate this monumentally embaressing stat. COD2 by itself outsold the entire ps3 lauch library by itself in their respective launch months. And sellng software is ultimately what this game is all about.

[RandomTask]

Once again, just because 900,000 units may get shipped before this years end doesnt mean that all those consoles will sell out. Sony doesnt want people to get nervous. Of course they are going to reassure people that everything is cool. Smoking mirrors like I said.

So far I havent seen you produce any numbers on how many PS3's thus far has been sold since November. When you can do that Gadfly then and only then will your limp"theory" will have possible validation. Thanks for the history lesson though. Dont quit your day job.:rolleyes:


Hey NEO, I'm with you man but its 'smoke and mirrors' not "smoking mirrors."

[Superjoint Ritual]

I think what is more telling is how well software is doing on the 360. While the hardware hasn't really broke out to Ps2 levels as far as sells go, software is moving incredibly well.

I think a lot of Ps3's sold went to scalpers. It's a shame, because Resitance is a damn fine game. But the Ps2's launch, and post launch, was horrid as well, so I'm not writing off Sony until the up-coming holiday season. But I think it's relatively easy to say that Sony has a huge mountain to climb in both America and Japan with such a high price tag. It seems like everything that can wrong, has for Sony and it all began with the PsP.