360 Falls Far Short of Its 10 Million Goal

[Zilla Man]

I posted this in another thread but I thought it deserved it's own thread:

It seems that the 350 will not meet it's goal 10 million units sold by the end of 2006:

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4343&Itemid=2

"Xbox 360 unit sales topped a minimum of 500K units in the month, probably more, with 200K in Black Friday week. Retailers attributed the increase to strong sales of Gears of War and “chronic press coverage” of supply constraints on PS3. Microsoft is now on track to sell through about 4.25 million units in the US in calendar 2006 with an installed base of around 5 million units."

While sales actually bumped up slightly it wasn't nearly enough. Unless MS has some secret strategy for selling 5 million units in 3 weeks, I'd say my predictions of MS not being able to reach its goal of 10 million, despite its early launch, were accurate. If they'd waited a year and launched worldwide with plenty of units and GOW as their killer app, they would've trounced both Sony and Nintendo even more.At this rate, they'll be lucky to hit 7 million by the end of 2007.

Sorry but with Wii and PS3 in full swing by March of 2007, things will only get worse for MS. Halo 3 will help, but I can't help think that when Super Mario Galaxy, Lair, and other killer apps come out for those systems, the MS tank will be starting to run dry. And hiiting the technological wall do to either no or not a large enough HDD will make it even worse.

MS has done a good job in snaring the hardcore/early adopter crowd with the 360. But they need to get in with the casual gamer to be profitable and take chunks out of Sony and Nintendo's marketshare.

I predict a price drop, bundling, an MS Live revamp/discount and a larger HDD offering for the 360 as Sony and Nintendo units start to become readily available in early 2007.

Okay, Xbots, commend sniping...! :)

[ilnadmy]

I predict a price drop, bundling, an MS Live revamp/discount and a larger HDD offering for the 360 as Sony and Nintendo units start to become readily available in early 2007.

...effectively screwing over everyone who bought a 360 early.

[Ocelot]

Word of mouth is pretty big for that 360 tho. Heck I just went to Xbox.com and watched the 2nd Halo 3 trailer for the first time. Impressive, I'm going to need this game. Don't get me wrong, I'm really enjoying my PS3 right now. Just looking at the potential of what this pig will dish out later on is what really has me tweaked.

Over the next few months and when both Sony/Ninty are in full swing, there will be a big fight and will be an interesting one to see. I personally think Sony might lead but 360 will be in close second.


Nice read Zilla!

[TPoD]

Sorry but with Wii and PS3 in full swing by March of 2007, things will only get worse for MS. Halo 3 will help, but I can't help think that when Super Mario Galaxy, Lair, and other killer apps come out for those systems, the MS tank will be starting to run dry.


I think that your post is a pretty fair assessment overall except for this statement. Do you really think that the PS3 and the Wii will be in "full swing" by March. First off it usually takes a year or so for a console to hit its stride. Secondly, when I look at the Wii release list I don't see any killer apps in the near future(definately no Mario). Wii owners can probably take heart in the fact that they may be able to find some accessories by March, though. As far as the PS3 goes---Lair is slated for 3/1/06, but given the history of gaming companies in general what are the odds that it will hit anywhere near that date. I guess that I don't see which killer apps you are talking about. Meanwhile MS has Blue Dragon, Lost Planet, and Forza 2 to look forward to during this slow period.

[Gadfly2317]

I think that your post is a pretty fair assessment overall except for this statement. Do you really think that the PS3 and the Wii will be in "full swing" by March. First off it usually takes a year or so for a console to hit its stride. Secondly, when I look at the Wii release list I don't see any killer apps in the near future(definately no Mario). Wii owners can probably take heart in the fact that they may be able to find some accessories by March, though. As far as the PS3 goes---Lair is slated for 3/1/06, but given the history of gaming companies in general what are the odds that it will hit anywhere near that date. I guess that I don't see which killer apps you are talking about. Meanwhile MS has Blue Dragon, Lost Planet, and Forza 2 to look forward to during this slow period.

I would be surprised if Lair made this spring. And as for Ps3 being in "full swing". . .I just think about 360 performing more slowly than Xbox did its first year, and I really do think its price. I don't believe Ps3--at $200 more--is going to be exactly flying off the shelves any faster than the 360. With those titles you mentioned for the 360 landing this spring--especially if they bundle or do a price drop--it might be 360 that finally gets into full swing.

The Wii on the other hand. . . Nintendo is the worst of all about getting anything big out other than the fall/xmas season, but it seems possible they'll start rolling out their online gaming service this spring with Super Smash Brothers Brawl, and based on last gen, that's a far greater killer-app/system seller than the Mario platformer will be.

[NEO-360]

I posted this in another thread but I thought it deserved it's own thread:

It seems that the 350 will not meet it's goal 10 million units sold by the end of 2006:

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4343&Itemid=2

"Xbox 360 unit sales topped a minimum of 500K units in the month, probably more, with 200K in Black Friday week. Retailers attributed the increase to strong sales of Gears of War and “chronic press coverage” of supply constraints on PS3. Microsoft is now on track to sell through about 4.25 million units in the US in calendar 2006 with an installed base of around 5 million units."

While sales actually bumped up slightly it wasn't nearly enough. Unless MS has some secret strategy for selling 5 million units in 3 weeks, I'd say my predictions of MS not being able to reach its goal of 10 million, despite its early launch, were accurate. If they'd waited a year and launched worldwide with plenty of units and GOW as their killer app, they would've trounced both Sony and Nintendo even more.At this rate, they'll be lucky to hit 7 million by the end of 2007.

Sorry but with Wii and PS3 in full swing by March of 2007, things will only get worse for MS. Halo 3 will help, but I can't help think that when Super Mario Galaxy, Lair, and other killer apps come out for those systems, the MS tank will be starting to run dry. And hiiting the technological wall do to either no or not a large enough HDD will make it even worse.

MS has done a good job in snaring the hardcore/early adopter crowd with the 360. But they need to get in with the casual gamer to be profitable and take chunks out of Sony and Nintendo's marketshare.

I predict a price drop, bundling, an MS Live revamp/discount and a larger HDD offering for the 360 as Sony and Nintendo units start to become readily available in early 2007.

Okay, Xbots, commend sniping...! :)

Nintendo has sold 600,000 Wii units thus far. So between MS and Nintendo I would say so far they both are off to a great start.Falling short of 10 million is considered a letdown for MS. But it shouldnt be though. For a consoles first year thats not bad IMO.

So Zilla Man, do you have any numbers on how much hardware and software has been sold concerning the PS3 thus far? Its only fair considering how many units Sony claimed they want to have sold by a certain time frame.:cool:

I mean can a $600 dollar console actually sell extremely well considering that has never happened over the last say 10 years in the videogame world?

In the long run it may be Sony that doesnt meet their own expectations. But anytime you can get those numbers Zilla Man. I got faith in ya to get them for all us to see. I'm surprised Slade has produced those numbers either. Hes normally good for getting numbers as well. Hmm...

[Gadfly2317]

Nintendo has sold 600,000 Wii units thus far.

I think that's just its US #'s as of last week. The Wii also did nearly 400,000 units in its first two days of the recent Japanese launch, and the Australian launch was yesterday, and I believe it was a sell out, but I don't know how many units.

At the rate its going, Nintendo will have caught up with MS by March.

[NEO-360]

I think that's just its US #'s as of last week. The Wii also did nearly 400,000 units in its first two days of the recent Japanese launch, and the Australian launch was yesterday, and I believe it was a sell out, but I don't know how many units.

At the rate its going, Nintendo will have caught up with MS by March.


Damn!! The Wii is doing better than even I expected. Does anyone know how many PS3's has been sold so far?:confused:

[Fivespot]

Does anyone know how many PS3's has been sold so far?:confused:

According to Sony, all of them. At the same time they're not releasing the total shipped. So basically no one really knows just yet.

[Gadfly2317]

According to Sony, all of them. At the same time they're not releasing the total shipped. So basically no one really knows just yet.

It must be an embarrassing number, or they'd have released it. If they'd have even met their target of 400,000 they'd have said so. . .you've got to keep those investors confident.

Trust me, this is not inspiring confidence--not just in investors, but in the REAL investor: the dedicated Sony gamer. And Sony's fumble fest is outing the fanboys who had in recent years been trying to pass themselves off as mere "objective observers." There is a real sense of fear coming out of the fanboys, and the desperation is showing in their posts (and in some cases, total disappearing acts.)

And for all Sys Warriors, its joyful to behold.

[Cuddly Knife]

Amen, brother Gadfly.

Amen to that, Reverand.

[theWacoKid]

Damn!! The Wii is doing better than even I expected. Does anyone know how many PS3's has been sold so far?:confused:

The dismal sales figures for the ps3 so far.

North America. 197k for november. From what I've read, Resistance sold a whopping 65k. Sony failed to launch with even 200k. Pathetic, just pathetic.

Japan. On sale since nov.10. Sales from nov. 10th to dec. 3rd. A whopping 187,796. Between japan and NA not even 400k sold so far. Japan software figures for the ps3 are dismal. For the week of nov.27th to dec.3rd, no ps3 games in the top 30. The previous week, RR7 and Gundam were in spots 29 and 30. Sony is currently shipping about 35k a week in japan, about a third of what they said they would ship on a weekly basis. With sony its just lies and more lies.

Effin Zilla is rehashing a thread about the xbox360 not selling 10 million. What a dufus. Sony is mired in production problems plain and simple. But, it gets worse. Nobody really gives a damn about the ps3. The ps3 kiosks showed up in my area, and man, they're dead, nobody plays them and when they do, its for a couple of minutes. NBA 07 sucks and Motorstorm is kind of blah. Its slow, there's no sensation of speed, there's no rumble, so you don't really feel connected to the game.

Ebay prices have crumbled on the ps3. You go to EB, its all about the wii. PS3 who? Sony made a big mistake launching alongside the wii, dumb effin move. They don't have consoles to move and now that the word is out on sony's less than stellar software offerings and their exagerrated performance claims, good luck on moving a $500 to $600 console. At some point in the not too distant future, MS will lay down the price drop trump card. The 360 will get cut by $100 and sony will be in even deeper sh#$ than they are now.

[slade]

At least in terms of November, MS has failed to make any sort of headway in the U.S. 360 sales are still dissapointing and it hasn't really taken the lead from current gen consoles like it should have by now. And this is with all the bundle deals floating around out there. November NPD for consoles goes a little something like this:

PS2 664K
PS3 196.6K
360 511.3K
Wii 476K

Anyway, if the 360 fails, it'll go along with my own personal trend of buying the loser console first.

[theWacoKid]

At least in terms of November, MS has failed to make any sort of headway in the U.S. 360 sales are still dissapointing and it hasn't really taken the lead from current gen consoles like it should have by now. And this is with all the bundle deals floating around out there. November NPD for consoles goes a little something like this:

PS2 664K
PS3 196.6K
360 511.3K
Wii 476K

Anyway, if the 360 fails, it'll go along with my own personal trend of buying the loser console first.

Gears of War was the no. 1 game for the month. They sold a million copies, and they outsold FFXII on the ps2. The bundle deals were in Canada, they weren't prevalent in the US. The 360 is a $400 console and there's a lot of competition for gaming dollars. Why there's no official Gears of Wars bundle from MS mystifies me. They shoudl do a premium bundle with Gears and a core bundle with Viva Pinata. MS is too complacent. You don't relly on your chief competitor royally fu#$ing up which sony has done. It doesn't help your sales. I'm not a big believer that if I can' get what I want for xmas, then I buy what's left over. The 360 has been out for a year, the lineup this xmas is the not the kind of lineup that the ps2 had back in 2001 when it had the murderer's row trio of MGS2, FFX and GTA III.

I think we may see a two tier console setup. The high def battle between the ps3 and the 360 and the standard def battle between the wii and the ps2.

[NEO-360]

At least in terms of November, MS has failed to make any sort of headway in the U.S. 360 sales are still dissapointing and it hasn't really taken the lead from current gen consoles like it should have by now. And this is with all the bundle deals floating around out there. November NPD for consoles goes a little something like this:

PS2 664K
PS3 196.6K
360 511.3K
Wii 476K

Anyway, if the 360 fails, it'll go along with my own personal trend of buying the loser console first.

The bottom line is the PS3 isnt selling better than the 360 or the Wii right now. Everything else you and Capt.Sony 001 had to say is like an old man that didnt take his viagra: pretty limp. :D

Gotta love those numbers.:thumbsup:

[NEO-360]

Amen, brother Gadfly.

Amen to that, Reverand.

Oh my brothers TESTIFY!!!!:D

The reaction of Sony milk drinkers across the country: :cryin:

[slade]

I don't know about 360's pricepoint being that much of a factor right now. The bundles out there basically reduce the 360 to a three hundred dollar console. If it isn't selling then the bigger problem is software. MS really fumbled the ball there because aside from Gears, I don't see one title on 360 that has the pull that PS2's heavy hitters did back in 2001. It would have helped if they had been able to bring Lost Planet, Blue Dragon (headline it with, 'from the creator of Final Fantasy' in tv ads), Alan Wake, Halo 3, Mass Effect plus a few more Japanese centric games out in Q4 2006.

[NEO-360]

I don't know about 360's pricepoint being that much of a factor right now. The bundles out there basically reduce the 360 to a three hundred dollar console. If it isn't selling then the bigger problem is software. MS really fumbled the ball there because aside from Gears, I don't see one title on 360 that has the pull that PS2's heavy hitters did back in 2001. It would have helped if they had been able to bring Lost Planet, Blue Dragon (headline it with, 'from the creator of Final Fantasy' in tv ads), Alan Wake, Halo 3, Mass Effect plus a few more Japanese centric games out in Q4 2006.

Isnt that pretty much the bottom line right now? Everything else you have to say basically falls short when compared to the actual numbers on just who is doing well and who is doing not so well.:aureola:

[ilnadmy]

At some point in the not too distant future, MS will lay down the price drop trump card. The 360 will get cut by $100 and sony will be in even deeper sh#$ than they are now.

Pleeaaaaase. MS's gaming division is bleeding red. If you think they're going to cut the price of the 360 anytime soon you really have no clue what you're talking about.

[Zilla Man]

Isnt that pretty much the bottom line right now? Everything else you have to say basically falls short when compared to the actual numbers on just who is doing well and who is doing not so well.:aureola:

Well for once you're actually right, NEO -- even if it's by mistake.:rolleyes:

Looking at the PS2 #'s, it sold more than the 360 - just like it's been doing since the 360 was released.

As far as the PS3 numbers vs. 360 numbers; Sony sold less because they shipped less (duh). So you have to put the numbers in context. And since Sony is losing no money on the PS2's, they're still in a better position than MS.

[NEO-360]

Well for once you're actually right, NEO -- even if it's by mistake.:rolleyes:

Looking at the PS2 #'s, it sold more than the 360 - just like it's been doing since the 360 was released.

As far as the PS3 numbers vs. 360 numbers; Sony sold less because they shipped less (duh). So you have to put the numbers in context. And since Sony is losing no money on the PS2's, they're still in a better position than MS.

So you are saying that the numbers on Sony were wrong? Well who's to say that the numbers that you presented in your post about M$ was totally accurate?

You're busy talking about the PS2's numbers compared to the 360's? Thats so weak even for you. The PS2 has been around for over 5 years and the 360 has been around for a year. One year and about 5 million consoles later IMO thats not bad at all. The PS2 is still cranking out good games so it shouldnt come as a surprise that its still selling well. You can buy a PS2 for only $129 bucks. There is no reason why it shouldnt still be selling. Unfortunately, the PS2 is also taking thunder away from the PS3 as well.

Since we are talking about the 360 vs. the Wii vs. The PS3 lets stick to that shall we? Stop trying to divert the attention away from the obvious:The PS3 is being outsold by the Wii and the 360. No, M$ didnt reach 10 million like they projected. But you cant overlook the fact that Sony also fell wayyyyyyyy below their expectations of how many PS3's they intended to sell.

Plus you can sit there and blame the shortage for the reasons why the numbers are so low. But the truth is that Sony knew that their $600 dollar console wasnt going to fly off the shelves like hotcakes. A videogame console with a pricetag over $500 bucks has NEVER and I do mean NEVER ever sold extremely well over the last 10 years.(CDI, 3DO,and NEO-GEO)

Sony could have shipped the original number of consoles they clamied they would do. But just think if they would've done that how much money they would have truly lost here? The numbers would probably been alot worse.

Yes Sony is still in a better position than M$. But since we are talking about the current next gen consoles as of right now M$ and Nintendo are ahead while Sony currently is in the cellar. And the data from NPD has the numbers to prove it. Any other excuses to add here Zilla Man? :D

[Gadfly2317]

Nobody really gives a damn about the ps3. The ps3 kiosks showed up in my area, and man, they're dead, nobody plays them and when they do, its for a couple of minutes. NBA 07 sucks and Motorstorm is kind of blah. Its slow, there's no sensation of speed, there's no rumble, so you don't really feel connected to the game.

Your observation holds true here in SF, too. The VERY busy and very large Best Buy I like to swing by rarely has anyone on the Ps3, except me. I actually really dig Motorstorm. . . but I would love to FEEL this game, the big landings off the ramps, the truck shaking when you hit the boost, the collisions. . . I mean, the lack of rumble really is a huge and noticeable step backwards as far as "immersion."

And DAMN are the load times eternal.

[ilnadmy]

But the truth is that Sony knew that their $600 dollar console wasnt going to fly off the shelves like hotcakes.

PS3's are flying off the shelves like hotcakes.

[NEO-360]

PS3's are flying off the shelves like hotcakes.

After reading the numbers from the NPD data report for November I beg to differ.:D

[NEO-360]

The dismal sales figures for the ps3 so far.

North America. 197k for november. From what I've read, Resistance sold a whopping 65k. Sony failed to launch with even 200k. Pathetic, just pathetic.

Japan. On sale since nov.10. Sales from nov. 10th to dec. 3rd. A whopping 187,796. Between japan and NA not even 400k sold so far. Japan software figures for the ps3 are dismal. For the week of nov.27th to dec.3rd, no ps3 games in the top 30. The previous week, RR7 and Gundam were in spots 29 and 30. Sony is currently shipping about 35k a week in japan, about a third of what they said they would ship on a weekly basis. With sony its just lies and more lies.

Effin Zilla is rehashing a thread about the xbox360 not selling 10 million. What a dufus. Sony is mired in production problems plain and simple. But, it gets worse. Nobody really gives a damn about the ps3. The ps3 kiosks showed up in my area, and man, they're dead, nobody plays them and when they do, its for a couple of minutes. NBA 07 sucks and Motorstorm is kind of blah. Its slow, there's no sensation of speed, there's no rumble, so you don't really feel connected to the game.

Ebay prices have crumbled on the ps3. You go to EB, its all about the wii. PS3 who? Sony made a big mistake launching alongside the wii, dumb effin move. They don't have consoles to move and now that the word is out on sony's less than stellar software offerings and their exagerrated performance claims, good luck on moving a $500 to $600 console. At some point in the not too distant future, MS will lay down the price drop trump card. The 360 will get cut by $100 and sony will be in even deeper sh#$ than they are now.

Those prices on Ebay are insane.Good post Waco.:cool:

[Gadfly2317]

After reading the numbers from the NPD data report for November I beg to differ.:D

Now I remember why Gamer from '78 and I dubbed you "The bloody tampon in the unflushed toilet bowl of the universe."

You. Goddamn. Retard. What do the "NPD numbers" have to do with every single Ps3 unit manufactured being sold? Don't you know when EVERY SINGLE ONE is sold, that is by definition "Flying off the shelf???" They might not fly off the shelf forever at that price, but they are flying off the shelves now.

[NEO-360]

Now I remember why Gamer from '78 and I dubbed you "The bloody tampon in the unflushed toilet bowl of the universe."

You. Goddamn. Retard. What do the "NPD numbers" have to do with every single Ps3 unit manufactured being sold? Don't you know when EVERY SINGLE ONE is sold, that is by definition "Flying off the shelf???" They might not fly off the shelf forever at that price, but they are flying off the shelves now.

The number of PS3's that was currently available due to the so-called shortage has flown off the shelves. Okay. We were comparing numbers werent we? Yep. So thats what I was doing. Comparing the numbers of PS3's sold compared to the numbers of the Wii from the report. Thats all. Now all of a sudden you get all evil like a woman that forgot to take her midol to control those cramps . Sheesh!! :rolleyes:

I'll be the bigger man and not resort to using God's name in vain and harsh retorts to answer your reply.

[theWacoKid]

Pleeaaaaase. MS's gaming division is bleeding red. If you think they're going to cut the price of the 360 anytime soon you really have no clue what you're talking about.

You're clueless, know nothing about business, go back to your playpen and play with your blocks, junior. You don't even know why MS is selling a console to begin with. Figure that one out and maybe certain things would become clear. MS had no problem dropping the original xbox by $100 after only 6 months. And no, pathetic sony fan, it wasn't in reaction to a price cut by sony. MS cut the price because they publicly announced that they had not met their sales targets.

What's sony going to do when MS drops the price? That's the bigger question. You want to talk about bleeding in red ink, that's sony, maybe you should check their financials. MS makes money, quarter in, quarter out. MS can fund their gaming division for as long as it takes. They've lowered the cost of components for the 360 during the past year. A price cut is in the offing for 2007 during the first half of the year. Bank on it.

[Gadfly2317]

The number of PS3's that was currently available due to the so-called shortage has flown off the shelves. Okay. We were comparing numbers werent we? Yep. So thats what I was doing. Comparing the numbers of PS3's sold compared to the numbers of the Wii from the report. Thats all. Now all of a sudden you get all evil like a woman that forgot to take her midol to control those cramps . Sheesh!! :rolleyes:

I'll be the bigger man and not resort to using God's name in vain and harsh retorts to answer your reply.

It wasn't used in vain. It was used with concise, direct intent and purpose.

[NEO-360]

It wasn't used in vain. It was used with concise, direct intent and purpose.

And what was your point again while you were blowing all that hot air? :p

Zilla Man posted up the numbers of MS shortcomings concerning the 360 and then we starting talking about the NPD data from November that was posted.Sales was up 15%. In addition the Wii was outselling the PS3 by a margin of 197,000 to 476,000.(about 280,000 units more sold) and we were talking about that as well. Then shortly after that you started biatching about me ranting about it. Whats up with that?

Dont shoot the messenger. I didnt post the numbers. But I sure as hell plan to slap Milk drinkers with that tidbit of news every chance I get though. You'll learn to get used to it. Comprede? :p

[Cuddly Knife]

In other news:

360 Doing Better than Original Xbox
But just barely.
by Hilary Goldstein

December 7, 2006 - A new Reuters report states that, according to NPD, Xbox 360's first 13 months have outperformed the original Xbox's first 13 months by 6%.

NPD's numbers show that 3.79 million Xbox 360s have sold in the U.S. since November of last year. The original Xbox sold 3.57 in its first 13 months. Those numbers aren't altogether positive, as 360 already has a built in audience. However, the latest NPD numbers for November 2006 show brisk sales of more than half a million 360 units.

Numerous analysts have speculated that over the next five years, 360 will surpass Sony to become the worldwide market share leader.

[theWacoKid]

The basic problem comparing 360 sales to xbox sales is that MS was forced to cut the price of the xbox down to $200 in may of 2002. Otherwise, the xbox would've floundered badly. Prior to the price cut in may, the xbox had sold just 78k in april. The system was tanking. MS has not had to resort to price drops with the 360 so far. At some point in the not too distant future they will have to. There are only so many buyers at a given price point.

Overall, the 360 is doing much better than the original xbox and they've done it without the benefit of a halo. Their xbox live subcription numbers are much higher than before, they have a high software tie ratio, they've sold a great many accessories. They've brought component costs down, they have a stacked 2007 library. They're in good shape moving forward.

[Mochan]

Sony could have shipped the original number of consoles they clamied they would do. But just think if they would've done that how much money they would have truly lost here? The numbers would probably been alot worse.

Duh, Sony loses more money the more PS3s they ship, since they are selling the hardware for less than it actually cost them to make it.

Now let's say they DID make more but shipped less, they would also be losing money because then they'd have warehouse space overhead AND then eventually sell the PS3s at a loss later. No, only an idiot would not ship all that they produced. What would Sony gain by not putting out all their units on the market? Just so some schmucks at SysWars boards the world over can say the PS3 sold like hotcakes? Hell no they don't care what we say, they want to get their units out and consolidate marketshare.

If they had spare units those units would be out in Japan so that they can at least get into more than 100k households in Japan. It's quite clear that Sony has production problems, this ham-fisted innuendo that they simply did not ship us much to get closer to 100% sale of all units is pure idiocy.

[NEO-360]

Duh, Sony loses more money the more PS3s they ship, since they are selling the hardware for less than it actually cost them to make it.

Now let's say they DID make more but shipped less, they would also be losing money because then they'd have warehouse space overhead AND then eventually sell the PS3s at a loss later. No, only an idiot would not ship all that they produced. What would Sony gain by not putting out all their units on the market? Just so some schmucks at SysWars boards the world over can say the PS3 sold like hotcakes? Hell no they don't care what we say, they want to get their units out and consolidate marketshare.

If they had spare units those units would be out in Japan so that they can at least get into more than 100k households in Japan. It's quite clear that Sony has production problems, this ham-fisted innuendo that they simply did not ship us much to get closer to 100% sale of all units is pure idiocy.

Maybe....maybe not. :17: :23:

[Zilla Man]

So you are saying that the numbers on Sony were wrong? Well who's to say that the numbers that you presented in your post about M$ was totally accurate?

You're busy talking about the PS2's numbers compared to the 360's? Thats so weak even for you. The PS2 has been around for over 5 years and the 360 has been around for a year. One year and about 5 million consoles later IMO thats not bad at all. The PS2 is still cranking out good games so it shouldnt come as a surprise that its still selling well. You can buy a PS2 for only $129 bucks. There is no reason why it shouldnt still be selling. Unfortunately, the PS2 is also taking thunder away from the PS3 as well.

God, NEO, your debating skills are so weak that sometimes I feel like I'm talking to a 12 year old.

So the PS2 is "taking thunder away" from the PS3. Really? What link do you have to prove it?

In fact you've just proved the opposite with your post. A PS2 cost $129 and a PS3 cost $600. If PS2 is cutting into PS3's sales then how come every single PS3 shipped sold out in a matter of hours? Please, tell me how a console that cost 5 times more than the PS2 selling out all its shipments is indicative that the PS2 was stealing its thunder. I'm just dying to know (complete with facts and figures).

I don't mind you disagreeing with me, NEO, but at least look at the facts (or present some) before you go trumpeting things that are so blatantly false. I've yet to see you post a link backing up any of your claims. :mad2:

[Zilla Man]

Dont shoot the messenger. I didnt post the numbers. :p

And that's the problem, NEO. You never do. Yet when Gadfly, Mochan, or I are in a debate you'll simply jump whichever one's coattails happen to agree with you're current viewpoint.

There's nothing wrong with that per se, but it becomes really annoying after a while.

Gadfly, Trebor, iladmy, Glockstar, Cuddly and I may bash each other on these boards but there is a big difference between what they do and what you do. It's the equivalent of a trial lawyer spending 3 years prosecuting a murder case who finally gets a conviction. Outside the courthouse he's besieged by the press and after he makes a statement to them, a paralegal whos only been working on the case for 3 months jumps in front of the mics to spout "Yup, I knew he was guilty." without even having a point of reference.

They're the lawyers, you're that paralegal. That's why, as much as they mifght anger/annoy each other, We also have a begrudging respect for one another.

So when you say that you're going to "slap the Milkdrinkers", what you're really doing is just undermining Gadfly's and other's PS3 criticisms. You never bring anything to the argument - you simply spout non-sequitors. And that does more harm then good.

[Gadfly2317]

So the PS2 is "taking thunder away" from the PS3. Really? What link do you have to prove it?

The Ps2 and my positive experiences with its great software library are the main reason I'm eyeing the Ps3 for a potential purchase--not becasue of anything the Ps3 has done yet.

The idea that Ps2 is taking away "thunder" from Ps3 is ridiculous. Someone that buys a $129 Ps2 this week was not going to be buying a $600 Ps3, but they MIGHT be the same customer that buys the Ps3 in 5 years. They ARE a Sony customer, so the only thunder they could be possibly stealing is from MS or Nintendo.

Stealing thunder from yourself. . . you can't do that, because if you steal thunder from yourself, you still are in possession of thunder. Lets break that down even simpler for Moody:

If Moody took ten dollars from Moody's wallet and put that ten dollars in Moody's bra, Moody would still have ten dollars.

[Glockstar]

Wait, what if Moody spat $10 out of his dumb #@$%ing mouth, then turned around and shoved it up his dumb #@$%ing @$$, and twisted... what would he have then?

[I don't see this post staying around long. :p ]

Still, #@$% it. 'So glad your back Moody; we missed ya; the place wasn't the same without ya.' :rolleyes:

[Cuddly Knife]

Microsoft's console being beaten by Game Boy Micro.
by Hilary Goldstein

December 8, 2006 - Microsoft's Xbox 360 has enjoyed success in North America, Australia and the UK, but Japan remains elusive. Despite offering exclusive games from Japanese developers and multiple 360 pack-in bonuses, the new Xbox console is having difficulty gaining traction in the Land of the Rising Sun.

According to a Famitsu Marketing data survey, 113,000 Xbox 360 units have been sold in Japan this year. Over the past 11 months, Sony has sold 1.4 million PS2s. The new releases of PS3 and Wii have already trumped Xbox 360 yearly sales in just a handful of weeks. Even the Game Boy Micro, a niche collectible, managed to sell 150,000 units this year. To be fair, Xbox 360 outsold GameCube in 2006 as Nintendo's now-defunct console sold under 100,000 units.

Microsoft is hopeful that the newly-released RPG from Mistwalker Studio, Blue Dragon, can spark renewed interest in the 360 in Japan. Nope.

[ilnadmy]

After reading the numbers from the NPD data report for November I beg to differ.:D
The numbers might be small, but still, as soon as PS3s land in a store, they're immediately gobbled up by consumers. If that's not "flying off the shelves", then I don't know what is.

[ilnadmy]

The basic problem comparing 360 sales to xbox sales is that MS was forced to cut the price of the xbox down to $200 in may of 2002. Otherwise, the xbox would've floundered badly. Prior to the price cut in may, the xbox had sold just 78k in april. The system was tanking. MS has not had to resort to price drops with the 360 so far. At some point in the not too distant future they will have to. There are only so many buyers at a given price point.

Overall, the 360 is doing much better than the original xbox and they've done it without the benefit of a halo. Their xbox live subcription numbers are much higher than before, they have a high software tie ratio, they've sold a great many accessories. They've brought component costs down, they have a stacked 2007 library. They're in good shape moving forward.
We all know MS has a lot of money. We also all know MS's gaming hasn't made a single quarter of profit yet. Do you think they're going to go and reduce the cost of an admittedly successful product because they want to increase market share? They're selling well and (supposedly) making a profit on each console sold. They might actually be able to make a profit sometime soon. And you think they are going to throw this all out the window to get into a ****-waving contest with Sony? You said it yourself, the reason they cut the cost with the Xbox was because it was selling like crap. The 360 isn't selling like crap. So why would they cut cost when people are willing to buy their product at full price? And you're telling me that I don't know jack about business?

[NEO-360]

The Ps2 and my positive experiences with its great software library are the main reason I'm eyeing the Ps3 for a potential purchase--not becasue of anything the Ps3 has done yet.

The idea that Ps2 is taking away "thunder" from Ps3 is ridiculous. Someone that buys a $129 Ps2 this week was not going to be buying a $600 Ps3, but they MIGHT be the same customer that buys the Ps3 in 5 years. They ARE a Sony customer, so the only thunder they could be possibly stealing is from MS or Nintendo.

Stealing thunder from yourself. . . you can't do that, because if you steal thunder from yourself, you still are in possession of thunder. Lets break that down even simpler for Moody:

If Moody took ten dollars from Moody's wallet and put that ten dollars in Moody's bra, Moody would still have ten dollars.

In the next 3-5 months which console has better games coming out for it? The PS3 or the PS2? The PS2. Yes, if you are a PS3 owner these days 9 times out of 10 you'll buy more PS2 games since there isnt anything outside of Resistance that is a must buy on the PS3 anytime soon.

Thats what I meant by the PS2 taking away thunder from the PS3. All I hear is how great the PS3 from a hardware standpoint. But I dont hear all of you milk drinkers out there talking about the games though. :blush2:

Right now the PS2 has better games coming out over the next 3-5 months than the PS3 does. But, apparently some of you been drinking alot of haterade. I'm used to it. :thumbsup:

[NEO-360]

The numbers might be small, but still, as soon as PS3s land in a store, they're immediately gobbled up by consumers. If that's not "flying off the shelves", then I don't know what is.

If there is one thing I've learned over the years anything can happen in the videogame world. Right now Sony is only 280,000 units behind Nintendo right now. So its not too out of reach. With MS up by about 5 million its definately going to be a game of catch up ball for Nintendo and Sony. :aureola:

[NEO-360]

And that's the problem, NEO. You never do. Yet when Gadfly, Mochan, or I are in a debate you'll simply jump whichever one's coattails happen to agree with you're current viewpoint.

There's nothing wrong with that per se, but it becomes really annoying after a while.

Gadfly, Trebor, iladmy, Glockstar, Cuddly and I may bash each other on these boards but there is a big difference between what they do and what you do. It's the equivalent of a trial lawyer spending 3 years prosecuting a murder case who finally gets a conviction. Outside the courthouse he's besieged by the press and after he makes a statement to them, a paralegal whos only been working on the case for 3 months jumps in front of the mics to spout "Yup, I knew he was guilty." without even having a point of reference.

They're the lawyers, you're that paralegal. That's why, as much as they mifght anger/annoy each other, We also have a begrudging respect for one another.

So when you say that you're going to "slap the Milkdrinkers", what you're really doing is just undermining Gadfly's and other's PS3 criticisms. You never bring anything to the argument - you simply spout non-sequitors. And that does more harm then good.

Just like when I brought up the issues that developers will have with to contend with concerning the chip inside the PS3. Didnt I tell you exactly which magazine it was in? Yep. Electronic Games Monthly with Master Chief on the cover. Everything I said about the chip came from the mouths of the editors of EGM. The article is on page 60 if you would like to be slapped across the lips with the truth.

So Zilla Man if thats what you want me to do from now on I dont have a problem with that. Other than that are you done doing this: :cryin:

Good. If I truly didnt bring anything to arguments around here geniues like you wouldnt respond is such nasty fashion towards me. But I'm only telling you what you already know. :cool:

[NEO-360]

We all know MS has a lot of money. We also all know MS's gaming hasn't made a single quarter of profit yet. Do you think they're going to go and reduce the cost of an admittedly successful product because they want to increase market share? They're selling well and (supposedly) making a profit on each console sold. They might actually be able to make a profit sometime soon. And you think they are going to throw this all out the window to get into a ****-waving contest with Sony? You said it yourself, the reason they cut the cost with the Xbox was because it was selling like crap. The 360 isn't selling like crap. So why would they cut cost when people are willing to buy their product at full price? And you're telling me that I don't know jack about business?

The force is strong with you young ilnadmy.:shocked:

[theWacoKid]

We all know MS has a lot of money. We also all know MS's gaming hasn't made a single quarter of profit yet. Do you think they're going to go and reduce the cost of an admittedly successful product because they want to increase market share? They're selling well and (supposedly) making a profit on each console sold. They might actually be able to make a profit sometime soon. And you think they are going to throw this all out the window to get into a ****-waving contest with Sony? You said it yourself, the reason they cut the cost with the Xbox was because it was selling like crap. The 360 isn't selling like crap. So why would they cut cost when people are willing to buy their product at full price? And you're telling me that I don't know jack about business?

Do yourself a favor and STFU! We all know, aside from you, Major Clueless, that the xbox division did indeed have a profitable quarter. Here's a hint as to when, Halo 2 came out that quarter. DOH!

Until you figure out why MS is in the console business, which you obviously haven't figured out, you'll be floundering in a sea of ignorance. Here's a hint, it has nothing to do with gaming. There are solid business reasons why MS would like to avoid a price cut this year, but a price cut next year is a foregone conclusion. It will happen, no maybe about it. You can only sell so many consoles at a given price point, then you have to lower the price of your product. This is how business has worked for ages now. Apparently, you were napping when they sent out the memo.

[theWacoKid]

The numbers might be small, but still, as soon as PS3s land in a store, they're immediately gobbled up by consumers. If that's not "flying off the shelves", then I don't know what is.

BFD! The wii is in much more demand than the ps3. Talk to retail employees and they'll tell you as much. Sony puts out a pathetically low number of units and you herald that as selling like hotcakes. Why don't you comment on the pathetically low ps3 software sales. Those aren't flying off the shelves. They're stuck there like they were nailed down.

COD2 on the 360 sold more copies in its launch month than the entire ps3 launch library. 250k>215k. Care to comment. And the last time I checked sony lost money on each hardware unit sold, and made money on the software. So not only is sony losing their shirt on the hardware end, they're not making it up on the software end, a double whammy. Sony's ps3 launch tie ratio 1.1. The 360's tie ratio last november. 3.9. I don't know what you sony sock puppets are doing with your ps3s, but you sure in the hell aren't buying games for it. Oh, yeah, third parties are just going to be flocking to the ps3 with those kinds of numbers.

[NEO-360]

Wait, what if Moody spat $10 out of his dumb #@$%ing mouth, then turned around and shoved it up his dumb #@$%ing @$$, and twisted... what would he have then?

[I don't see this post staying around long. :p ]

Still, #@$% it. 'So glad your back Moody; we missed ya; the place wasn't the same without ya.' :rolleyes:

Right back at ya Glockstar! :rolleyes:

[Robert-The-Rambler]

Wait, what if Moody spat $10 out of his dumb #@$%ing mouth, then turned around and shoved it up his dumb #@$%ing @$$, and twisted... what would he have then?

[I don't see this post staying around long. :p ]

Still, #@$% it. 'So glad your back Moody; we missed ya; the place wasn't the same without ya.' :rolleyes:

Definitely not a diamond.

[Gadfly2317]

But, apparently some of you been drinking alot of haterade. I'm used to it. :thumbsup:

If we were all drinking haterade, wouldn't that affect how we treat everyone? I mean, its haterade afterall. Doesn't it seem, that since it was all directed at YOU, that it might be YOU that's the problem, and not the consumption of "haterade?"

[Zilla Man]

Nope.

Whaddya mean, "Nope"? I thought Blue Dragon hadn't even been released yet over there.

[NEO-360]

If we were all drinking haterade, wouldn't that affect how we treat everyone? I mean, its haterade afterall. Doesn't it seem, that since it was all directed at YOU, that it might be YOU that's the problem, and not the consumption of "haterade?"

Key two words you apparently overlooked"some people" drinking haterade. I'm staying on the threads what about you? Its becoming painfully obvious that you and Zilla Man need to practice what you've been preaching. Because both of you are truly sounding more and more like two sniveling hypocrites.:cool:

We supposed to be talking about the shortcomings of MS and Sony at this point in terms of what they expected to sell at a certain time frame. MS fell short of selling 10 million as planned. Instead they sold just shy of 5 million while Sony fell short by 200,000 units when they were expected to have 400,000 in the bag before the end of 2006.

Thats what this thread is about. Why dont you and Zilla Man try to keep up instead of doing this: :cryin:

[ilnadmy]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6154809.html

Microsoft's gaming division has a history of red ink. For fiscal year 2005, it posted a loss of $485 million. For fiscal year 2006 (which ended June 30, 2006, and included the launch of the Xbox 360), it lost $1.26 billion.

However, Microsoft entertainment and devices division president Robbie Bach today said that's about to change. In a presentation at the company's Financial Analyst Meeting 2006, Bach said the gaming division is expected to lose the company money once again for fiscal 2007, but that it will turn in a profit for 2008. If that happens, it would be the first time the gaming part of Microsoft's entertainment and devices division posts a profit for a fiscal year.

I wasn't able to find numbers for their quarters, but so far they've posted loss after loss, fiscal year after fiscal year. Why can't you get this through your head, Waco? So what if they made one quarter of profit? You think that they have that quarter's numbers framed up on a wall in Bill Gates' bathroom? Are you really so daft as to think they're going to willingly cut prices when people are willing to pay full price for their console?

And you keep telling me I don't know why MS is in the gaming business, care to explain why they are? Or are you gonna keep running your mouth pretending to be the mighty god of business knowledge when your posts belie ridiculous assumptions that are based on nothing more than uneducated guesses and retarded speculation?

[Gadfly2317]

Key two words you apparently overlooked"some people" drinking haterade.

No kidding, retard. Some people. As in Zilla and I. I said, if WE (i.e., the "some people who were drinking haterade") were drinking haterade, wouldn't we then be hateful to everyone? Or at least hateful in general? Since certain accusations only arrise in relation to YOU. . . can you stop for a second and consider it is YOU, not the "haterade" that's having a problem?

Forget it. You simply are unable to comprehend the most basic concepts. Carry on. I will probably need to just put you on my ignore list. My hopes of you reverting to the formerly tolerable posting of your first few months back from banishment are probably in vain.

[NEO-360]

No kidding, retard. Some people. As in Zilla and I. I said, if WE (i.e., the "some people who were drinking haterade") were drinking haterade, wouldn't we then be hateful to everyone? Or at least hateful in general? Since certain accusations only arrise in relation to YOU. . . can you stop for a second and consider it is YOU, not the "haterade" that's having a problem?

Forget it. You simply are unable to comprehend the most basic concepts. Carry on. I will probably need to just put you on my ignore list. My hopes of you reverting to the formerly tolerable posting of your first few months back from banishment are probably in vain.

I'm busy talking about games and consoles. You're busying acting like a female that isnt getting her way by crying and moaning about the way I operate. Hiding behind ignore list simply makes you a coward Gadfly. I thought you were above that. I guess I gave you wayyyy to much credit over the years. :rolleyes:

[NEO-360]

Analysts react to November numbers
Industry watchers weigh in on "record-low tie ratios" for Wii and PS3 and other results from the month of the new systems' debut.
By Brendan Sinclair, GameSpot
Posted Dec 8, 2006 12:14 pm PT

The industry-tracking NPD Group released its retail numbers for November yesterday, and US sales were up nearly 15 percent over November 2005. It was good news for the industry after October's sales figures--predicted by analysts to show a percentage increase in the double digits--were unexpectedly flat.

In an investor's note discussing the NPD's numbers today, Pacific Crest Securities analyst Evan Wilson said the off month was due to consumers holding on to their wallets in anticipation of a big November. "It appears there was a meaningful pause in spending in front of the launch of the PlayStation 3, Wii, and lots of AAA software in November," Wilson said.

However, few of those AAA software sales were for games on the new systems, as Wilson noted that PS3 and Wii games weren't flying off the shelves as much as expected. The tie-ratio--the average number of games sold per system--was 1.1 for the PS3, and 2.1 for the Wii. Wilson blamed the low numbers on people buying the systems on their own to turn around and sell them for a profit.

Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter also pointed out the tie-ratios, calling them "record lows" for new consoles. Despite that, Pachter expects the Wii and PS3 to play a significant role in year-over-year sales growth of 7-10 percent for the month, so long as Nintendo and Sony can get enough systems to retail and "the eBay effect" is suppressed.

For people who did pick up games with their new systems, Wilson said the best-sellers on the Wii were The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Red Steel, and Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz, in that order. Far and away the best-seller on either new system, Twilight Princess sold enough copies to spin in 86 percent of Wii systems sold in November.

On the PS3, the biggest mover was Resistance: Fall of Man, followed by Madden NFL 07 and Call of Duty 3, respectively. NPD figures show that Resistance sold a little more than one copy for every three PS3 systems on the market.

[Cuddly Knife]

Whaddya mean, "Nope"? I thought Blue Dragon hadn't even been released yet over there.
It hasn't, but come on, one game(or two if you count Lost Odyssey) will not bring in enough people to buy the 360 and penetrate the Japanese market, especially when the PS3 starts flowing out regularly over there and and the usual J-style games start making regular appearences on the system. People will be too busy eating up the next Final Fantasy, plus any other games that are popular over there coming out of Japanese devs. I see the same thing happening like it happened with the XBOX.

over 4 million(or however many) systems sold worldwide for the 360, and less than 200K got sold in Japan area. The games might be good, and even tailored to their market, but they don't like the XBOX(MS?) brand over there, and that's what the problem is.

[ilnadmy]

That's exactly it. MS was never going to do better than Sony and Nintendo in Japan, and if they didn't know that then they're pretty stupid. The first sign came when they had a surplus of 360s in Japan for release whereas in the US people were falling over themselves to buy one of the few systems that were released into the market. The Japanese aren't crazy about military sims, shooters, and fighters (OK maybe fighters a little, but still). They were always going to stick with Nintendo and Sony, and if nothing else that's a huge advantage to those companies, and somewhat of a consolation to Sony who probably won't be selling so many PS3's this year.

[Cuddly Knife]

That's also why the 360 won't see games like MGS4, even if they are possible. Although Kojima is really upset that the PS3 has no rumble. Really upset.

I think that's also why MS locked down the next Splinter Cell as an exclusive. Unless Ubi saw that the game was only selling on the XBOX. I could be wrong, but I imagine that the XBOX version of all three Splinter Cell games sold better than the PS2 and GCN combined.

These days, I don't see why any company other than extreme first-party devs would want to keep their games exclusive. It's costing too much money to risk it all on one system, especially depending on what other games will be coming out at the same time for other systems and what-not. There has to be more of a payoff putting your game out on two or more systems compared to exclusive-ness, right? Unless it costs a lot to port a game that was designed for on system(like if it's developed for the Cell, how much harder is it to put it on the 360 cores?).

[NEO-360]

That's also why the 360 won't see games like MGS4, even if they are possible. Although Kojima is really upset that the PS3 has no rumble. Really upset.

I think that's also why MS locked down the next Splinter Cell as an exclusive. Unless Ubi saw that the game was only selling on the XBOX. I could be wrong, but I imagine that the XBOX version of all three Splinter Cell games sold better than the PS2 and GCN combined.

These days, I don't see why any company other than extreme first-party devs would want to keep their games exclusive. It's costing too much money to risk it all on one system, especially depending on what other games will be coming out at the same time for other systems and what-not. There has to be more of a payoff putting your game out on two or more systems compared to exclusive-ness, right? Unless it costs a lot to port a game that was designed for on system(like if it's developed for the Cell, how much harder is it to put it on the 360 cores?).

At one point in time we never thought we would see a Metal Gear game on the Xbox. First came a rumor that it was coming to the Xbox, and then behold it became a reality. Who's to say lightning wont strike twice? Because as of right now there are more 360's out there than PS3's. So its not far fetched that MGS4 may end up on the 360. Not at all.

If its all about making money Konami has to be thinking that if they keep MGS4 strictly to the PS3 will they sell at least a million copies considering how the PS3 is currently selling right now?

From there they also have to be thinking about how many copies could they sell if they make a port for the 360 as well. The odds are better if Konami makes MGS4 for both consoles. Loyalty is a good thing but it doest always pay the bills. Food for thought. :aureola:

[Mochan]

Well 360 has a few things in its pocket for Japan: Blue Dragon, Zegapain, and DOAX2. We thought we'd see SRW but so far no sign of it. Despite all this I like you still think we'll be seeing the same Xbox debacle all over again. Japan is the toughest market to breach for foreign businesses (yeah learned that in Marketing class!) and I don't think that's changed.

And ilnadmy, Japanese are CRAZY over fighters. It's Americans who aren't that crazy over them.

You know, I don't really mind if the 360 wins and the PS3 dies, that's actually better for me because it means I only need to worry about getting one system to get all the major games, but I'd be lying if I didn't say I'm a little worried about monopolies in the market and the long-term implications of such a setup. I think though that, for as long as Japan rejects the xBox, there'll always be at least one console to differentiate itself from the Xbox even if it only circulates in Asia.

[ilnadmy]

Yeah I kinda figured about that fighter thing as I was typing it, and so added those parentheses after the fact.

[NEO-360]

Well 360 has a few things in its pocket for Japan: Blue Dragon, Zegapain, and DOAX2. We thought we'd see SRW but so far no sign of it. Despite all this I like you still think we'll be seeing the same Xbox debacle all over again. Japan is the toughest market to breach for foreign businesses (yeah learned that in Marketing class!) and I don't think that's changed.

And ilnadmy, Japanese are CRAZY over fighters. It's Americans who aren't that crazy over them.

You know, I don't really mind if the 360 wins and the PS3 dies, that's actually better for me because it means I only need to worry about getting one system to get all the major games, but I'd be lying if I didn't say I'm a little worried about monopolies in the market and the long-term implications of such a setup. I think though that, for as long as Japan rejects the xBox, there'll always be at least one console to differentiate itself from the Xbox even if it only circulates in Asia.

Especially the part about fighters. Japanese LOVES fighting games. Over here in America its not like we dont like fighting games. We just dont worship them like the Japanese does. Everything else well said Mochan. :thumbsup:

[Gadfly2317]

You're busying acting like a female that isnt getting her way by crying and moaning about the way I operate.

Here. Let me help you out a little, so maybe you won't get banned again. Do you remember one of the reasons? Your continuous sexism. And do you remember the utterly vile and sick things you posted about Lara (and women in general) at the AoE site after you got banned? You disgust me.

Sorry, I have respect for women (even if I occasionally use the word "chicks") so I don't take your comment as an insult. And regarding your [i]"I'm busy talking about games and consoles."[i/]. . . .that's what we're all doing, but it doesn't mean we can't take an aside to tell someone they're turning back into a piece of human waste. You're so busy trying to dig yourself out rather than just listening to advice that you're digging yourself deeper and acting more and more like the Moody that got banned. STOP. Start acting like the more responsible NEO-360 you've been up until recently.

[NEO-360]

Here. Let me help you out a little, so maybe you won't get banned again. Do you remember one of the reasons? Your continuous sexism. And do you remember the utterly vile and sick things you posted about Lara (and women in general) at the AoE site after you got banned? You disgust me.

Sorry, I have respect for women (even if I occasionally use the word "chicks") so I don't take your comment as an insult. And regarding your [i]"I'm busy talking about games and consoles."[i/]. . . .that's what we're all doing, but it doesn't mean we can't take an aside to tell someone they're turning back into a piece of human waste. You're so busy trying to dig yourself out rather than just listening to advice that you're digging yourself deeper and acting more and more like the Moody that got banned. STOP. Start acting like the more responsible NEO-360 you've been up until recently.

I didnt post anything out of the ordinary when it came to Women. Nothing over the top that would have me pegged as a sexist pig. We all are guilt of saying things out of the ordinary in that fashion. What I find funny is if I said something on another website that was deemed as unacceptable how is it that repercussions was handled on this website? Isnt that considered a form of discrimination? :idea:

I cant change what happened in the past. All I can do is not repeat those mistakes now. Which I have no intentions on doing.

I never said such things while I was on this website so how does that wash? Plus the only one that griping about me possibly turning this place into a piece of human waste is you Gadfly. Once again people often fear what they dont understand.(You & Zilla Man)

Whats painfully obvious is that you are busy turning all this into a straight fiasco. Dwelling on the past fearing that I may bring that kind of chaos and anarchy into the present. I'm not digging myself into anything. I'm busy having fun with the guys and talking about games and consoles.

Its you and Zilla Man turning this back into a Soap opera drama. Why is it that you two speak for everyone? What makes you two so special that you get to speak for everyone here about me? If you want the unbiased truth take a poll and ask everyone how they feel about me being back then? You got the balls to do that? Of course you dont.

So if you are done doing this: :cryin: Lets concentrate on more positive things. Like games, consoles,and other news in the videogame world. Save the dramas for other peoples mamas. Those things arent needed here Gadfly.:aureola:

[Gadfly2317]

Isnt that considered a form of discrimination? :idea:

Uhm. . . . . .NO!!!!

I cant change what happened in the past. All I can do is not repeat those mistakes now. Which I have no intentions on doing. EXACTLY!!!! That's what I said. . . I've known who were for a long time now, but you were being cool and I had no intention of calling you out or giving you a hard time about the past. It wasn't till recently your behavior warranted it.

But. . ."Not repeat those mistakes" from the past. . . that's exactly what you are doing, and it's the ONLY reason I bring up the past, to remind you and to illustrate: YOU ARE DOING IT AGAIN. Just step back and think about it for a minute, okay? I'm not trying to bust your chops here, no vendetta, no desire to re-ignite personality wars.

If you want the unbiased truth take a poll and ask everyone how they feel about me being back then? You got the balls to do that? Of course you dont. Of course I do. But you don't get it: I'm not saying I don't want you back, I'm just saying, start acting like how NEO-360 acted his first couple months back, and stop acting like the banned "The Game Evolution."

Like games, consoles,and other news in the videogame world. Being that I am into games, consoles and other news in the videogame world, you can't blame me for speaking out when someone starts pulling the "spam retard" act at one of my favorite sites. Take all this into consideration.

And I apologize to the rest of the board who are mature enought to have just ignored the stupidity; I'm not going to keep this up. Hopefully "neo" gets this and will start being Neo again, and not Moody-the-Banned.

[NEO-360]

Uhm. . . . . .NO!!!!

EXACTLY!!!! That's what I said. . . I've known who were for a long time now, but you were being cool and I had no intention of calling you out or giving you a hard time about the past. It wasn't till recently your behavior warranted it.

But. . ."Not repeat those mistakes" from the past. . . that's exactly what you are doing, and it's the ONLY reason I bring up the past, to remind you and to illustrate: YOU ARE DOING IT AGAIN. Just step back and think about it for a minute, okay? I'm not trying to bust your chops here, no vendetta, no desire to re-ignite personality wars.

Of course I do. But you don't get it: I'm not saying I don't want you back, I'm just saying, start acting like how NEO-360 acted his first couple months back, and stop acting like the banned "The Game Evolution."

Being that I am into games, consoles and other news in the videogame world, you can't blame me for speaking out when someone starts pulling the "spam retard" act at one of my favorite sites. Take all this into consideration.

And I apologize to the rest of the board who are mature enought to have just ignored the stupidity; I'm not going to keep this up. Hopefully "neo" gets this and will start being Neo again, and not Moody-the-Banned.

Actually most of the people on this board has ignored the stupidity that you've recently been posting about me and my past VGR crimes.Your ramblings is getting old & tiresome to be honest. It makes you actually look pretty petty as well as pathetic .

The only person trying to get something started is you. But I'm not going to fall into this sad trap you're trying to set Gadfly. Grow up lad. :rolleyes:

Stop speaking for everyone and concentrate solely on yourself. This thread originally was supposed to be about the 360 along with the PS3 falling short of expectations in terms of consoles sold at a certain time frame. Try doing what you havent done in a while Gadfly: Sticking to the thread. :thumbsup:

If you want drama turn on your cable and watch SoapNet. When you are ready to talk about games and consoles feel free to drop back into VGR. :thumbsup: