All for Mochan

[Cuddly Knife]

Taken From IGN:
Blu-Ray Already Ripped on PS3
The troubles with Linux begin.
by Hilary Goldstein
December 1, 2006 - As soon as we installed Linux on our office PS3, it was clear that trouble would be brewing quickly. We began taking bets on how soon someone would hack the PS3. While we haven't heard of anyone truly cracking the PS3 software yet, thanks to Linux, Blu-Ray movies are now being ripped onto the PS3 hard drive.

Multiple sites, including PVRWire, are reporting on gamers illegally copying movies to the PS3 hard drive. Once the large file is on the hard drive, it's possible that someone could figure out a way to burn them.

It only took a few days, but already the Linux PS3 has enabled piracy. As the months continue, users are certain to find other ways to exploit Sony's new console. The fault lies with those committing the crime as the majority of those who download Terra Soft's Yellow Dog Linux v5.0 are likely doing so legitimately.

[NEO-360]

:yesnod: Taken From IGN:
Blu-Ray Already Ripped on PS3
The troubles with Linux begin.
by Hilary Goldstein
December 1, 2006 - As soon as we installed Linux on our office PS3, it was clear that trouble would be brewing quickly. We began taking bets on how soon someone would hack the PS3. While we haven't heard of anyone truly cracking the PS3 software yet, thanks to Linux, Blu-Ray movies are now being ripped onto the PS3 hard drive.

Multiple sites, including PVRWire, are reporting on gamers illegally copying movies to the PS3 hard drive. Once the large file is on the hard drive, it's possible that someone could figure out a way to burn them.

It only took a few days, but already the Linux PS3 has enabled piracy. As the months continue, users are certain to find other ways to exploit Sony's new console. The fault lies with those committing the crime as the majority of those who download Terra Soft's Yellow Dog Linux v5.0 are likely doing so legitimately.

Holy S***! Can't wait to see if this become a major issue down the stretch.Considering how much Blu-ray DVD players cost these days:yesnod:

Good post CK!!

[Mochan]

Cool!!! It won';t be long now before PS3 games will likewise be hacked. I may be buying a PS3 sooner than I thought. Will this become a major issue down the stretch? Probably to the same extent the PSP and the PS2 experienced it. Piracy is rampant on the PSP and PS2; usually more popular consoles/platforms experience more piracy as there is a superior, huge organized market for making the things piratable.

The PSP is pirated way more than the DS, and the PS2 was pirated WAY WAY WAY more than the Xbox and the Gamecube combined.

The effect was seen -- low tie of games sold compared to units sold, etc.


Who woulda thought I would have Linux to thank for it? I have to give it to MS's staunch foe to make the PS3 my playground.

[NEO-360]

Cool!!! It won';t be long now before PS3 games will likewise be hacked. I may be buying a PS3 sooner than I thought. Will this become a major issue down the stretch? Probably to the same extent the PSP and the PS2 experienced it. Piracy is rampant on the PSP and PS2; usually more popular consoles/platforms experience more piracy as there is a superior, huge organized market for making the things piratable.

The PSP is pirated way more than the DS, and the PS2 was pirated WAY WAY WAY more than the Xbox and the Gamecube combined.

The effect was seen -- low tie of games sold compared to units sold, etc.


Who woulda thought I would have Linux to thank for it? I have to give it to MS's staunch foe to make the PS3 my playground.

Sony could end up losing alot of money if this is true. Its all about making money in thevideogame industry. These type of things only hinders it.Let us hope that it doesnt happen to MS, Nintendo, or Sony.:frown2:

[Fivespot]

Game publishers lose out the most - much more than Sony. Hackers still need a PS3 to hack so they purchase one. Games on the other hand... Who needs those when you can get free copies???

No offense to folks like Mochan who do such things, but I prefer my gaming the old fashion way - legitimately. As with any theft the loser is all of us and not the large corporations. They can just up there prices in order to recoup lost dollars leaving us all ultimately footing the bill.

[Mochan]

Keep in mind this sort of thing isn't new. Piracy on the PS2 was massive on a scale equal to DVD movie piracy -- not that you guys are aware of the magnitude of DVD piracy unless you've been to an Asian flea market.

[Cuddly Knife]

Iv'e seen that on the news. Crazy sh!t, I tells ya.

Not while the systems are new, but sometime, I would like to get me a new PS2 and XBOX, a fat HDD, and mod the crap out of it in the way my PSP is so I can play games of yesterday that I normally wouldn't think about. I believe in supporting the things that please me, but when the hardware and software becomes obsolete, then I'd like to have a piece for old times sake, if that makes sense.

Can the CGN be modded in the ways that the XBOX and PS2 can?

[Mochan]

CGN? You mean the Cube Game Nintendo? Not that I know of; I'm sure it can, I just haven't come across it, and there may not be a market for it. DC was annoying because of the media, but at least you could still burn a DC ROM onto 1 or 2 normal CDs. GC's proprietary media format is a whole different ballgame.

I too believe in supporting what pleases me; that's why I buy games of the games I really like. I differ with you though in that I partake my enjoyment while the hotware is still hot, now when it is obsolete. Think of it as shareware (not that I'm rationalizing what I'm doing, it's piracy pure and simple) but the concept is "try before you buy." I often try out a game and if it gave me hours upon hours of entertainment I feel no reservations against buying it.

That said I am a hard man to please and thus my catalogue of legit games is very small.

I definitely reap the advantages of getting to play games I would never even give a second glance if I had to pay for them. Helps me broaden my horizons, and find diamonds in the rough. If it weren't for piracy, I would never have come across gems like Gothic, Divine Divinity, etc. and on the console front games like Deception, Suikoden 2, etc.

[ilnadmy]

I'm kind of the same way. I've got a handful of PS2 games, the ones which really blew me away (God of War, Metal Gear Solid 2, Final Fantasy X, among others). I've got those PC games which also really entertained me, but only very few on the PC. I've only recently felt like I should start buying PC games rather than downloading them, but even then I'm only going to buy games that I know I will enjoy. I've gotten burned on video game purchases quite a bit that I can't trust the advertising anymore.

My GC and Xbox libraries, on the other hand, are completely legit. But then, I don't have that many games for either console (although the Cube Game Nintendo outweighs the Xbox in terms of game library).

[T.Tashi]

Keep in mind this sort of thing isn't new. Piracy on the PS2 was massive on a scale equal to DVD movie piracy -- not that you guys are aware of the magnitude of DVD piracy unless you've been to an Asian flea market.

I have, in several Asian countries. What many don't realize is it's hard to avoid. You don't have to go looking for it cause it's out in the open. You go to a mainstream store in a mainsteam mall and 80-90% of what you'll find is pirated. In fact, it's probably a lot harder to find the legal software. Sometimes it's obvious and sometimes it's hard to tell the copies are so good, including the boxart.

[Mochan]

Yup! It really is harder to find legal copies than pirated ones. And yeah I remember we discussed this before I think only 2 of us here have real hands-on experience with the rampant PS2 piracy.

[T.Tashi]

Yup! It really is harder to find legal copies than pirated ones. And yeah I remember we discussed this before I think only 2 of us here have real hands-on experience with the rampant PS2 piracy.

Yeah that's right. I think corporations have an extreme luxury at least in the U.S. We have an area here called the City Market. It's probably the closest thing to a Chinatown we have 'cause of the Asian businesses down there. But it used to be the Asian vendors sold a ton of pirated items... movies, CDs etc. If a Jackie Chan movie came out in Hong Kong, I could go rent it here a week or 2 later. But there were two huge raids, and that sh** got shut down. The vendors disappeared, the movie rental place closed, things became highly regulated. Corporations say jump and the police say how high. I can't see that happening in Asia. Especially in China where the corporations do the jumping. Also, that's probably why online gaming is growing so fast in China. The residual income from monthly fees is probably the only way to get people to pay legitimately.

[Mochan]

BTW Fiveski:

"Game publishers lose out the most - much more than Sony. Hackers still need a PS3 to hack so they purchase one. Games on the other hand... Who needs those when you can get free copies???"

Doesn't Sony lose out more, since they subsidize PS3s? Each PS3 you buy costs Sony some $300 or something. :)

[Fivespot]

Well played.... Funny and true all at the same time.

[ilnadmy]

Which brings me to something I've been thinking about for a while...

If you're a true Xbot that would like nothing more than to hurt Sony, what better way than to buy a 60 GB PS3 right now, while the price is still high and Sony is making a huge loss, and then just not buy any games for it? You just basically cost Sony $300. You could then use it as a very reliable doorstop.

[Mochan]

And brag to your friends that your doorstop is $600!

And tell them to get one too. That really hurts Sony!

BTW -- I did have this idea before, MS wants to drive Sony out of business? Just buy a ton of PS3s, keep them in storage somewhere, and Sony ends up not having smaller PS3 userbase, no installed base means less games sold, and that along with Sony losing money on each unit sold will be a serious problem!

I actually posted this on this board sometime back.

[ilnadmy]

Haha yeah but I think that would border on illegal. I'm pretty sure there would be a law against that...