We lambasted 360, bashed PS3, is Wii getting a free ride?

[ThaMaskedGamer]

If you think about the reasons 360 and PS3 got slammed on their respective launches, I must say we should BURY the Wii! Afterall, there is only ONE good game. And then if you look at other criteria we used such as Nextgen-ness of the games, Zelda was actually a GCN game, that was suppose to release on both Wii and GCN, so we know Zelda is totally last-gen! Still it appears to be a very great game, so kudos, but ah what happens when tire of it?

Red Steel? Excite Truck? These games are garbage, I played Excite Truck in EBgames over the holiday, it was super-stupid! It doesn't even deserve to be mentioned against even a game like RidgeRacer7 and y'all know how I feel about RR7. But i'd take RR7 over Excite Truck all year long! Excite Truck is so stupid, if I was given the game for free i'd never play it. There is just NOTHING else to play. I haven't played Red Steel, so personally, I can't say if the game is fun, but the critics are killing it. I mean it is only averaging a knotch above Genji. So PS3 was rightfully slammed for its one-trick pony launch, well the Wii's launch is WORSE. Dare I say WORSE than the GCN launch! Probably worse than any recent launch I can think of, even the PS2 launch. At least on PS3 you have a bunch of games that are decent to good, even though they were 360 retreads, you don't even get the retreads on the Wii or if you do, obviously it isn't the same game, it is a horribly blocky watered down version. The graphics just suck outside Zelda.

The Wii is doing well from a sales perspective. Indeed, I might buy one as a XMAS gift, but then again, maybe not. I might just get my daughter Viva and some DS games for her VG-fix! It looks like 70% of Wii buyers are also purchasing Zelda, is the Wii going to be any different than N64 or GCN? Too soon to tell, but I haven't seen any reason to think third party stuff will sell on Wii. And we all know Nintendo doesn't have enough franchises to make the Wii viable on its own. Those looking at console sales and saying the Wii is doing as good as the 360 did, remember this, so did GC. GC sold 18 million!

Nintendo is back, once again they have managed to launch successfully, but what now and what next? Will the Wii tank even faster than the GC did? Or will it end up more like the DS? We already know the Wii, like the GC will have excellent first party support, but that didn't save GC. The GC died because of lack of third party games that people wanted to buy, and the Wii will live or die by the very same criteria. It is amazing that we constantly criticize 360 about its supposed lack of variety, but Nintendo, an established gaming giant for decades, gets a free pass.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

It's the advantage of low expectations. They are trying to set thereselves outsid the market and it's work. Because you just don't hear them being compared to the other consoles.

Plus Nintendo is trying to push the market beyond "gamers" and I think this will work. I'm starting to believe that in the first couple of year o fthis console cycle they may sell the most units on a year to year basis. But the problem I see in the future with them they may get console owners who don't buy many games I'm pretty sure they are a bunch of new Wii owners who if they didn't buy Zelda they didn't buy any game at all they are ultra casuals and will be satisfied with Wii sports through the year. The thing Nintendo is going to have to do is get these type of gamers to pick up more games. There going to have to have Nintendogs type phenomeon on the Wii. Because lets face it with all the critical success Zelda, Mario, Metro, Super Smash Bros and so on receieve Nintendo's markethare has been decreasing with each generation. So we'll see.

And finally if they do blow open the market with game sales as well will they be the type of games the not neccessairly hardcore but long time gamers want to play?

After saying all this I'm gettin a Wii today or tommorrow or as soon as I can find one. The wife and kids want it so I guess I'm getting it.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

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After saying all this I'm gettin a Wii today or tommorrow or as soon as I can find one. The wife and kids want it so I guess I'm getting it.</b>

See I told my oldest daughter that i'm getting Wii for her babysister and she flipped with excitement. But I don't know if I still want to do it because we went to ToysRus and EBgames and my babygirl was NOT interested at all in Wii. She didn't even want to touch the controller, all she wanted to do was look at DS games. But I have a feeling upon getting it she will play it. For me it is a tough decision because the thing isn't exactly cheap! Plus i'm afraid to get it and then all she may want is more DS games! But I can definitely see her and everybody else playing it on XMAS day. At the same time I can see her and everybody else playing Viva and Fuzion Frenzy 2(though I think this got pushed back). I don't know its a tough decision. I will be thinking hard on this one up until the last minute. Aside from Zelda what else u plan on picking up? Rayman, Red Steel?

[folken001]

Wii Sport is fun too

[Gadfly2317]

Maybe you missed it, but there was no free pass given by me. I ripped the crap out of Nintendo's launch in another thread. Maybe "launch window" will have something, but day 1, there was NOTHING but the refried GC Zelda title. As great as that Zelda title might be for a launch title, over all I give the Wii a thumbs-down on its launch. Even the Virtual Arcade titles available suck. I got Ecco the Dolphin,an old Sega Genesis title I'd always wanted to play, and that's it so far.

As boring as the 360 launch was to me personally, it was still objectively a more substantial launch than what the Wii came to the table with.

[theWacoKid]

Nintendo is less of a videogame company and more of a toy company. The wii is an elaborate electronic toy. The controller is less about providing a better interface and more about differentiating nintendo from MS and Sony.

One of the reasons that people have wound up hurling their wiimotes and cracking their tvs is because they've been watching nintendo's ad spots where the actors are going nuts with the controllers. The sad fact of the matter is that you don't have to move the controller much at all or make large gestures, but then if you don't, then what's the point? The less you actually physically do, the more it becomes like a conventional controller.

Some of the wii software is utter crap, especially some of the ubi stuff. Red Steel is flawed, they released two crappy racing games. COD3 is inferior to the next gen versions. All this mini-game stuff is a real turnoff, especiallly at $60can a pop. And therer's more on the way, Warioware Smooth Moves, Wii Play.

Excite Truck is dull as a racer can get. Control is sloppy, you go really fast and make big jumps, whoop de do. And the soundtrack is one of the worst EVAR! No online, and only two player split screen. $60can for this? Yikes! PGR3 or any half decent conventional racer pisses all over this frankly, rather pathetic effort on nintendo's part.

The sensor bar is apparently quite useless and can even be a limiting factor. You can use two lighted candles and they'll do just as good a job. I'm really not thrilled with the whole tethering of the nunchuk to the wii mote, its whack. And I can't shake the feeling that the wii is going to get replaced in two to three years time. There's no way people are going to keep paying top dollar for current gen visuals two three years down the road. There was no reason why nintendo had to go so low tech with the wii. It didn't have to be on a par with MS and Sony, but gamers deserve better than a souped up gamecube.

[no.1gamer]

Maybe you missed it, but there was no free pass given by me. I ripped the crap out of Nintendo's launch in another thread. Maybe "launch window" will have something, but day 1, there was NOTHING but the refried GC Zelda title. As great as that Zelda title might be for a launch title, over all I give the Wii a thumbs-down on its launch. Even the Virtual Arcade titles available suck. I got Ecco the Dolphin,an old Sega Genesis title I'd always wanted to play, and that's it so far.

As boring as the 360 launch was to me personally, it was still objectively a more substantial launch than what the Wii came to the table with.


Hey guys, I'm not going to buy a console at launch I think but I just want to add my 2 pennies.

Xbox 360: My brother has one and I played Call of Duty 3. It was pretty awesome on his hi def tv and surround sound. Controller feels comfortable and the box looks cool next to the DVD player and stereo. Looks like Microsoft learned something and made a vast improvement over the original Xbox, which was the worst console of last generation and possibly ever.

Wii: There's only 1 good game being Zelda as some of you point out, but it seems to be getting good reviews. I'm going to pick up the Gamecube version when it comes out. When Super Smash Bros. and Metroid come out on this console woa look out! And there better be a Donkey Kong too cause gamecube owners (like myself) got screwed out of one. Does anyone know what Silicon Knights is working on for Wii? Eternal Darkness and MGS:TTS were 2 of my favs on Gamecube.

PS3: Ok. This console is plain and simple overpriced. 600 bucks?!?! That is a total joke. 600 bucks for a system with zero games and 1 controller mind you. By the time you pick up a few games and more controllers you'll be looking at spending near a grand. I bought my Gamecube last gen on launch date and I think from that point to now (what's that like 5 years?) I have not even invested that much to it (and that's with like 30 or so games and 4 controllers). Now honestly......what can the PS2 do that the 360 and Wii can't? I know most of you are total graphic whores, but give me a break. There will be minimal difference, if any difference at all, with the graphics. And don't sound like a moron like those Xbots who claimed the Xbox has better graphics than Gamecube and PS2. So you're going to have more fun playing a game that has a few more polygons and an extra 2 frames per second? Now, I know a lot of you reading this are little kids and I also know there is no way in hell you have that much money in your pocket to blow. And if your parents shell out the money for one of these for christmas, you're a spoiled little brat. Can anyone back me up here? If you're a normal person in this world you have to sit back and ask yourself if this hobby of yours is worth that much money. I'll tell you what. You take that money and go buy a plasma tv, and your PS2 games will look better on that than PS3 games look on your pos tv. Buy a new computer! You can play games on that and download music and movies to boot!

Ok, I guess that's about it for my rant about PS3. If you've got tons of cash to blow, good for you, but I know 99% of you guys have bills that need to be paid.

Oh and btw, I haven't posted in system wars much over the last year or so because I've been playing WoW for 2 years now and I don't really have enough time for any other games with my schedule. I'm the guild master of a guild with about 80 or so people and as you can imagine it's quite time consuming. We're running Blackwing Lair, and we'll be heading into AQ40 soon. I still browse the site though it's just that there aren't any WoW players in the pc forums for me to post too. BTW if you're on stonemaul server, send me a pm!

[NEO-360]

Nintendo is less of a videogame company and more of a toy company. The wii is an elaborate electronic toy. The controller is less about providing a better interface and more about differentiating nintendo from MS and Sony.

One of the reasons that people have wound up hurling their wiimotes and cracking their tvs is because they've been watching nintendo's ad spots where the actors are going nuts with the controllers. The sad fact of the matter is that you don't have to move the controller much at all or make large gestures, but then if you don't, then what's the point? The less you actually physically do, the more it becomes like a conventional controller.

Some of the wii software is utter crap, especially some of the ubi stuff. Red Steel is flawed, they released two crappy racing games. COD3 is inferior to the next gen versions. All this mini-game stuff is a real turnoff, especiallly at $60can a pop. And therer's more on the way, Warioware Smooth Moves, Wii Play.

Excite Truck is dull as a racer can get. Control is sloppy, you go really fast and make big jumps, whoop de do. And the soundtrack is one of the worst EVAR! No online, and only two player split screen. $60can for this? Yikes! PGR3 or any half decent conventional racer pisses all over this frankly, rather pathetic effort on nintendo's part.

The sensor bar is apparently quite useless and can even be a limiting factor. You can use two lighted candles and they'll do just as good a job. I'm really not thrilled with the whole tethering of the nunchuk to the wii mote, its whack. And I can't shake the feeling that the wii is going to get replaced in two to three years time. There's no way people are going to keep paying top dollar for current gen visuals two three years down the road. There was no reason why nintendo had to go so low tech with the wii. It didn't have to be on a par with MS and Sony, but gamers deserve better than a souped up gamecube.

The Wii launching with Zelda pretty much puts them in the drivers seat when it comes to launch titles. Zelda is a franchise thats never gotten any bad reviews nor has any Zelda game(with the exception of the one that was on the CDI a long time ago) has ever done poorly. Its clearly a console seller. Overall what do you I think of the Wii after playing it for myself? Its okay. Gimme a plain ole joystick without all the motion theatrics.

The Wii is simply the fun console. Its the appetizer on the menu. When you want meat and potatoes you order a 360 or a PS3. If 3rd party support doesnt knock on Nintendo's door look for the Wii to go down the same avenue as the Gamecube did. Plain and simple.

This is going to be between Sony and MS as usual. But you cant overlook 600,000 Wii units being sold already though. Kudos to Nintendo for that. And kudos for Sony coming up short on PS3's opening up the doors for gamers to buy Wii's & 360's to tidy them over till PS3's become more available.:aureola:

[Gadfly2317]

Nintendo is less of a videogame company and more of a toy company. The wii is an elaborate electronic toy. The controller is less about providing a better interface and more about differentiating nintendo from MS and Sony. Hmmm. Aside from disliking the launch software, I can't see anyone agreeing with this "they are not a videogame company." This is a company who has repeatedly set the standard for games and is still regularly copied, from the structure of Okami being straight from Zelda to PsP ripping off Brain Training and Advance Wars. To me, Sony is an electronics/movie company that happens to make games and a system which is a Trojan Horse for their movies, and MS is a software giant that wanted to corner the living room online market and saw gaming as the path to that. Nintendo is the only company that's all games, all the time, and it shows.

One of the reasons that people have wound up hurling their wiimotes and cracking their tvs is because they've been watching nintendo's ad spots where the actors are going nuts with the controllers. Some people are just clumsy and stupid with their fat, pizza-greased hands, and get a little over excited while punching their buddy in the face in Wii boxing, and that's about the end of that story. No need to go all pseudo-intellectual over people imitating ads.

Excite Truck is dull as a racer can get. Control is sloppy, you go really fast and make big jumps, whoop de do. Have you played it yet? I'd been hearing it was a lot of fun not dull, just shallow, short. . . and the other stuff you mentioned: no online and crappy soundtrack (thought doesn't it support custom soundtracks?) Anyway, it didn't look like it was worth $50. . . .I'll definitely wait for better software. But since you stepped out and said it was "as dull as a racer can get". . . that's a pretty concrete opinion, so I assume you've played it. Love to hear more detail as to why its dull.

For all my displeasure with the currently available software, your snide dismisal of the control as merely a way to differentiate the console--a gimmick--is premature and off target. The Wii is accurate, fast and fun. I've put it through the paces on Rayman. . . and yes, I'm sick of minigames, but as far as seeing how smoothly the controller functions, I cannot wait to play something meaty like Metroid Corruption with this controller. It is no mere gimmick, it will definitely improve Metroid. And the little touches like sound in the controller, and the fact it still has rumble along with motion sensing. . .the little touches add up.

The Wii is not perfect, but for an inexpensive little innovation, its gonna provide a lot of fun and entertainment and for people who because of budget will need to wait for a Ps3 price drop, this is a great interim console. I still want a 360 or Ps3 for some hi-end, graphically intense gaming experience, but just like the Wii does not negate the need for a 360 or Ps3, owning either of those is no substitute for the Wii either. The Wii is what it is. . . something really fun and different and it deserves a spot under any real gamer's TV as well us under the casual gamer's TV.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Aside from Zelda what else u plan on picking up? Rayman, Red Steel?

I bought the Wii yesterday along with 2 wiimotes and one nunchuck (only one left) That actually came out to be so much I didn't even buy another game. I'm not going to open it until christmas since it's technically for the wife and kids. I probably won't even by a game for myself until around tax season (I've been spending way too much money this Holiday). If I do end up getting another game it'll probably be GT racer with the little stairing wheel attachment. And that'll be for my 4 year old son who has an obession with cars. My Wife and daughter will be happy with Wii sports they are by no means gamers and just want it because it's the hot thing. I bought it because I knew eventually me and my son would get my money's worth out of it.


Does anyone know what Silicon Knights is working on for Wii? Eternal Darkness and MGS:TTS were 2 of my favs on Gamecube.

They aren't making any Wii games. They said that they didn't agree with the low tech routh Nintendo took. It didn't suite the type of games they wanted make. They're making Too Human and action triliogy for the Xbox 360 and they said they are working on a PS3 game as well.

There was no reason why nintendo had to go so low tech with the wii. It didn't have to be on a par with MS and Sony, but gamers deserve better than a souped up gamecube.

I'm more disappointed in the Developers the system is at least more powerful than the GC yet not 1 launch game look as good as the Best games on the GC The RE 0, RE Remake, RE 4, Rogue Squadron 2. Even the Windwaker looks like it has better animation than the New Zelda.

[Mochan]

Videogames are toys.

[trebor]

Videogames are toys.

And we have a winner!

Seriously - PS3, Xbox360, and Wii play videogames. They are there for purely entertainment purposes and anyone trying to convince otherwise should have a permanent seat on the short bus.

And what is the purpose of videogames? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Hello?

IT'S TO HAVE FUN. It's incredibly foolish to discredit the Wii simply because it doesn't have equivalent horsepower of the PS3/360, considering it is almost unanimously considered a FUN console to play.

And if were *****ing about launch titles, then the Wii is certainly on par with BOTH the 360 and the PS3.

[TPoD]

I lied in some past posts when I said that I would never buy another Nintendo console...well only half-lied. I own a Wii, but I did not buy it. Some of my friends all kicked in and bought me one for a wedding present. It was funny because I thought that they had cheesed me on gifts, and a UPS package arrived for me a week ago(a solid two months after the wedding), and it was a Wii and Zelda.

I have only had it a week, so I have limited time with it so far but I must say that I am really liking it. Yeah the graphics are typical cutesy Nintendo graphics, but the control scheme(and the endless future possibilities) more than make up for that. I have only checked out Zelda for a couple of hours, but it really seems like it could turn out to be the best version yet. Really my wife and I have been all over Wii Sports---the tennis and golf in particular. Those games really have me juiced for the prospect of future full-blown Wii controller inspired golf and tennis games. In fact, I never thought in a million years that I would say this about a Nintendo console, but I can't wait to see some of the sports games.

I was so excited with Wii Sports that I actually read some of the Madden reviews, and I picked up a copy yesterday. I only got to play it last night, and I did not graduate past the mini-games and training modes since it has a pretty steep learning curve with the controls. For once I really have to commend EA because it looks like they finally took some care in creating a product that actually takes advantage of its specific piece of hardware. I mean they did not just slap in a few motion controls to keep the Wii owners happy---there are a ridiculous amount of motion controls at your disposal. That is why I did not even get to play a whole game last night. It blew me away.

I want to apologize that I have not been around more, but my life has been totally chaotic with work, the wedding, and now married life. Plus, believe it or not I had a pretty bad accident on my honeymoon and ended up with a real bad staff infection in my leg. I was out of work for a month after my honeymoon because of it, but it has seemed to resurrect my love of gaming. Anyway, I guess that is way too much information for you guys, but I have been thinking about posting for a while now and was just waiting for a good reason. Not much has changed here except one thing that I just read about---Slade bought a 360? You must be kidding me?

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

Glad to see you back, Prince, even if it's for just a bit.

Sorry to hear about your leg, your O's (though my Twins shocked me) and good luck with your Ravens and hope they don't have to go to Qualcomm Stadium in the playoffs, or the Bolts will strike them hard.

[TPoD]

Glad to see you back, Prince, even if it's for just a bit.

Sorry to hear about your leg, your O's (though my Twins shocked me) and good luck with your Ravens and hope they don't have to go to Qualcomm Stadium in the playoffs, or the Bolts will strike them hard.

Thanks RBH, but let's not get carried away. Just because the Ravens layed an egg in Cincy last night does not mean that the game between them and the Bolts that has already been played has been forgotten. Mr. Rivers can't handle that D!

[Glockstar]

Hey Prince. We miss ya!

http://www.nflhs.com/images/CoachPics/BrianBillick2005_200.jpg

:p

Congrats on getting married, btw.

[Mochan]

Take care of your leg man, at least you got a month off from work to play Zelda!

[TPoD]

Hey Prince. We miss ya!

http://www.nflhs.com/images/CoachPics/BrianBillick2005_200.jpg

:p

Congrats on getting married, btw.

That's too funny---all that ripping that I did on Billick, and now look at him. He looks like a frickin' genius for canning his Offensive Coordinator, and calling the plays himself.

[TPoD]

Take care of your leg man, at least you got a month off from work to play Zelda!

I was not so lucky...I just got the Wii a week ago. When I was laid up it was all about the 360.

[Glockstar]

That's too funny---all that ripping that I did on Billick, and now look at him. He looks like a frickin' genius for canning his Offensive Coordinator, and calling the plays himself.

See! One of these days you're going to listen to the ole' G-man. :wink5:

[trebor]

Holy crap! A couple of days ago I was seriously wondering where TPoD had gone. Lo and behold, he has risen again! And even more shocking, he's come armed with a Wii!?

Good to see ya' man.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

IT'S TO HAVE FUN. It's incredibly foolish to discredit the Wii simply because it doesn't have equivalent horsepower of the PS3/360, considering it is almost unanimously considered a FUN console to play.

And if were *****ing about launch titles, then the Wii is certainly on par with BOTH the 360 and the PS3.

Well, i'd like to believe you, but I know you are speaking from the heart and not your brain. Nothing wrong with that.

[trebor]

Well, i'd like to believe you, but I know you are speaking from the heart and not your brain. Nothing wrong with that.

What does that even mean? Do you even know? I'm either having fun with the console or not, and I AM having fun with it - a LOT of people are. Over 600,000 in N.America alone.

Besides, if your heart isn't in to what your playing, then there is something wrong with what you're playing.

[TPoD]

Holy crap! A couple of days ago I was seriously wondering where TPoD had gone. Lo and behold, he has risen again! And even more shocking, he's come armed with a Wii!?

Good to see ya' man.

I know isn't that just messed up? I am always saying that I am done with Nintendo. Hell I should have just given the thing away for chrissakes. You know what that makes me don't you...wiik. He he!!!

Seriously though, I think that it is time for me to come back in here and argue with you guys again. I just don't know what side to take just yet, though. I guess that I will have to take the anti-Sony side right? I mean have you seen that PS3? I can't believe that people thought the Xbox was ugly...The Ps3 is uglier still. The problem is that it seems that the PS3 really has no backers around here any more(except Folken, but he doesn't have one does he???). Even Slade has jumped ship---what the hell is up with that? Anyway, thanks man it is good to see you too.

[TPoD]

See! One of these days you're going to listen to the ole' G-man. :wink5:

Yeah right. I was always listening to you, but I just thought you were crazed.

[trebor]

I know isn't that just messed up? I am always saying that I am done with Nintendo. Hell I should have just given the thing away for chrissakes. You know what that makes me don't you...wiik. He he!!!

Seriously though, I think that it is time for me to come back in here and argue with you guys again. I just don't know what side to take just yet, though. I guess that I will have to take the anti-Sony side right? I mean have you seen that PS3? I can't believe that people thought the Xbox was ugly...The Ps3 is uglier still. The problem is that it seems that the PS3 really has no backers around here any more(except Folken, but he doesn't have one does he???). Even Slade has jumped ship---what the hell is up with that? Anyway, thanks man it is good to see you too.

I'm surprised you didn't get rid of it immediately when you found out it didn't have a convenient handle built right into the system. ;)

I don't know what you're saying about the PS3 being ugly. I mean, it not only will cook your hamburgers in minutes, it has special groves built into the cooking surface to drain fat away from the meat, which is much healthier.

Seriously though, I'm sure once the PS3 picks up a tiny bit thelastword will show up again, but for the time being I'm sure he is laying low and saving face. Zilla man seems firmly entrenched in the Sony camp as well.

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

Thanks RBH, but let's not get carried away. Just because the Ravens layed an egg in Cincy last night does not mean that the game between them and the Bolts that has already been played has been forgotten. Mr. Rivers can't handle that D!

Marty Schottenheimer gave the Ravens that win earlier in the season. How can a coach sit on a 6 point lead for that long and expect to win? If he unleashed Rivers during that game like he has done lately, I'm not sure how many more points SD would have put up :D

[PapaSmurf]

TPoD, it's a especially been a long time for me since I just got back to these boards not too long ago as well. I had a staff infection last year from football, and man do I feel for you. I actually had MRSA, I'm sure the doctors told you about that strain. It's a great thing to be rid of.

Ya'll stop talking about the NFL too, my raiders...*sigh*

[Gadfly2317]

Holy crap! A couple of days ago I was seriously wondering where TPoD had gone. Lo and behold, he has risen again! And even more shocking, he's come armed with a Wii!?

Good to see ya' man.

Yeah, that's weird. I was thinking of PM'ing TPoD the other day. And his Wii impressions are more shocking than Slade picking up a 360. That's why he's back: Hell has frozen over!

Welcome back Darkness, sir. And if you have a chance, fill us in on what you are listening too as well.

[Gadfly2317]

The problem is that it seems that the PS3 really has no backers around here any more(except Folken, but he doesn't have one does he???). Even Slade has jumped ship---what the hell is up with that? Anyway, thanks man it is good to see you too.

I'm sort of a Ps3 backer; I think they have an uphill battle, but I love the tech under the hood, I like the motion control, and so far, the direction of the 360 software hasn't wowed me very often. Motorstorm impresses me, as does Heavenly Sword and Lair, and I can't wait to see what the guys who did Shadow of the Collosus come up with.

The positivity I feel towards Ps3 is mostly based off how much fun I've had with the Ps2 vs how much fun I had with the xbox; but right now its all hope and potential. If this time next year there aren't several games that outclass what's on the 360--in graphics and gameplay/control innovation--I'll probably end up getting the 360 first and let the Ps3 age awhile.

Or I could succumb to system envy and buy a 360 next month. I don't know. When it comes to Ps3/360, I feel like I've taken over Geezer from '78's role as resident flip-flopper.

[GameLegend]

And I can't shake the feeling that the wii is going to get replaced in two to three years time. There's no way people are going to keep paying top dollar for current gen visuals two three years down the road. There was no reason why nintendo had to go so low tech with the wii. It didn't have to be on a par with MS and Sony, but gamers deserve better than a souped up gamecube.

This man speaks the truth. I guess the only comforting factor here is that the Wii is considered to be 2-3 times more powerful than the GC. It did Nintendo did practically every generation, get 2 times more graphic horse power (not SNES->N64, big jump).

[no.1gamer]

Seriously though, I think that it is time for me to come back in here and argue with you guys again. I just don't know what side to take just yet, though.

You be a brownie hound and I'll go buy and Xbox 360 and be an Xbot.

[Glockstar]

You be a brownie hound and I'll go buy and Xbox 360 and be an Xbot.

Yeah well, you owe us a couple of months of that anyhow. Welcher.

[Mochan]

The positivity I feel towards Ps3 is mostly based off how much fun I've had with the Ps2 vs how much fun I had with the xbox; but right now its all hope and potential. If this time next year there aren't several games that outclass what's on the 360--in graphics and gameplay/control innovation--I'll probably end up getting the 360 first and let the Ps3 age awhile.

Yes, that's what I asid earlier as well. I am coming off my feelings and thus expectations I had set from the last gen, and you can't fault me for that. I totally expect the PS2's successor to give me the same kind of gaming experience I had, whereas I am expecting the Xbox successor not to. I know you Xbots feel the same, and I do know that most of us here will probably jump ship if the expectations prove otherwise.

That doesn't change the fact though that we here at SysWars have the mandate to bash and undermine the other platform for whatever reasons we deem fit, and it's our joy to pick at each other's bashings for whatever reasons we see fit.



This man speaks the truth. I guess the only comforting factor here is that the Wii is considered to be 2-3 times more powerful than the GC. It did Nintendo did practically every generation, get 2 times more graphic horse power (not SNES->N64, big jump).

And if the Wii disappears in 2-3 years time, then you know even Nintendo got swallowed and swept in by MS's move to make gaming more expensive for everyone, and if you guys still think it was a good move for MS then woe to you. Boom! Headshot.
Gamers deserve more than "souped up Gamecube" but the only reason console gamers had that expectation is because MS upped the ante for the hardware race. If not a system 2-3 times the power of the GC would have been perfectly acceptable. Well I'll give it to MS, they at least brought console gaming almost up to par with PC gaming in the hardware arms race, though I do not like that idea not because the PC is threatened, but because the PC used to be the "expensive hardware platform" and consoles were my "cheap gaming" platform. Now both platforms will be expensive; and I do not like that notion. Which is why I have said time and again I will probably get a Wii first, as it fits in the role of the "cheap platform" that I am accustomed to having consoles fill.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

And if the Wii disappears in 2-3 years time, then you know even Nintendo got swallowed and swept in by MS's move to make gaming more expensive for everyone, and if you guys still think it was a good move for MS then woe to you. Boom! Headshot.
Gamers deserve more than "souped up Gamecube" but the only reason console gamers had that expectation is because MS upped the ante for the hardware race. If not a system 2-3 times the power of the GC would have been perfectly acceptable. Well I'll give it to MS, they at least brought console gaming almost up to par with PC gaming in the hardware arms race, though I do not like that idea not because the PC is threatened, but because the PC used to be the "expensive hardware platform" and consoles were my "cheap gaming" platform. Now both platforms will be expensive; and I do not like that notion. Which is why I have said time and again I will probably get a Wii first, as it fits in the role of the "cheap platform" that I am accustomed to having consoles fill.

What the hell are you talking about lol. You can get the 360 for $300. The same price as the PS2 and XBOX when they launched. MS has not raised the price of gaming. You can play the 360 without a HDD, just like you can play all the other consoles previously that didn't have a HDD! If you want the HDD and Wireless controller, pay an extra $100. But MS isn't FORCING you. But along came Sony with a $600 console! They are raising the price of gaming. You cannot get a PS3 for $300, you cannot get a PS3 for $400. This has nothing to do with MS, this is all on Sony and them forcing Bluray and HDMI down your throat. So let us recap, for $300 you can buy a 360 with no HDD, and it is way more powerful than XBOX and PS2!! For $250 you can buy a Wii!! MS and Nintendo did NOT increase the price of gaming!

But for $300 the only console you can't buy is a Sony. The company who made BILLIONS in profit from gamers! Is rewarding them by making them pay $500 and $600 for the same game performance as a 360, well actually thus far, lessor game performance. So get it straight buddy!

[Mochan]

What the hell are you talking about lol. You can get the 360 for $300. The same price as the PS2 and XBOX when they launched. MS has not raised the price of gaming.

You could get a *crippled* Xbox 360 for $300 at launch, and you now have games 10$ more expensive than they used to be.

So let us recap, for $300 you can buy a 360 with no HDD, and it is way more powerful than XBOX and PS2!!

Duh, it's 6 years later. 20 years later you can get a 360 for $300 and it's way more powerful than a SuperNES.


If Nintendo's Wii does get replaced in 3 years you know MS's actions raised the cost, as Nintendo now forces you to do a "hardware upgrade" ala PC gaming in 3 years time. That's what I was saying, read it you dolt.

[GameLegend]

Gamers deserve more than "souped up Gamecube" but the only reason console gamers had that expectation is because MS upped the ante for the hardware race. If not a system 2-3 times the power of the GC would have been perfectly acceptable. Well I'll give it to MS, they at least brought console gaming almost up to par with PC gaming in the hardware arms race, though I do not like that idea not because the PC is threatened, but because the PC used to be the "expensive hardware platform" and consoles were my "cheap gaming" platform. Now both platforms will be expensive; and I do not like that notion. Which is why I have said time and again I will probably get a Wii first, as it fits in the role of the "cheap platform" that I am accustomed to having consoles fill.


Arent PC games cheaper than Console games? I mean realistically, if a person was looking for a bargain then the console games is where to go cuz the cost of getting a PC and buying some games that are a bit cheaper highly does not offset the PC price, but if a gamer is known to buy many games, then it would be chepar to be a PC gamer, cuz he'll save about $10 each time they buy a new PC game (as apposed to buying console games). So unrealistically, if that gamer bought 100 games, (saved $10 per game) he'd save $1000, therefore for that scerio it would be 'cheaper' to be a PC gamer.

I dont have a real point thought i'd throw that in the air

[Zilla Man]

I want to apologize that I have not been around more, but my life has been totally chaotic with work, the wedding, and now married life. Plus, believe it or not I had a pretty bad accident on my honeymoon and ended up with a real bad staff infection in my leg. I was out of work for a month after my honeymoon because of it, but it has seemed to resurrect my love of gaming. Anyway, I guess that is way too much information for you guys, but I have been thinking about posting for a while now and was just waiting for a good reason. Not much has changed here except one thing that I just read about---Slade bought a 360? You must be kidding me?

Welcome back, P.O.D.! :thumbsup: Wii missed ya!

[NEO-360]

You could get a *crippled* Xbox 360 for $300 at launch, and you now have games 10$ more expensive than they used to be.



Duh, it's 6 years later. 20 years later you can get a 360 for $300 and it's way more powerful than a SuperNES.


If Nintendo's Wii does get replaced in 3 years you know MS's actions raised the cost, as Nintendo now forces you to do a "hardware upgrade" ala PC gaming in 3 years time. That's what I was saying, read it you dolt.

If the PS3 was easy to develop for the Wii and the 360 would have stormy weather ahead of them. But since it currently is a hell of alot harder for game developers to do things for the PS3 the door is truly wide open down the stretch for the 360 as well as the Wii. And thats not being a Sony hater thats keeping it real fellow gamers.:idea:

This is something that eventually game developers will learn to use. But until then its going to be very hairy when it comes to exclusives as well as doing multiplat games. Most of those games in the future may either look just the same as the games on the 360 or perhaps look worse.:cryin:

[Cuddly Knife]

Arent PC games cheaper than Console games? I mean realistically, if a person was looking for a bargain then the console games is where to go cuz the cost of getting a PC and buying some games that are a bit cheaper highly does not offset the PC price, but if a gamer is known to buy many games, then it would be chepar to be a PC gamer, cuz he'll save about $10 each time they buy a new PC game (as apposed to buying console games). So unrealistically, if that gamer bought 100 games, (saved $10 per game) he'd save $1000, therefore for that scerio it would be 'cheaper' to be a PC gamer.
That makes a lot of sense, and I never thought of it that way, because until recently, I thought pc games cost the same as console games. I know I'd save gangloads if I was pc exclusive, but there are far too many console games that demand my attention over pc games.

BTW, sorry to say it, but DMC3 got raped in the scores on the pc. Why is it so hard to port a game to the pc, when it doesn't seem as hard to do the opposite? I know Mochan wants RE4 on pc if it's good, hopefully Capcom doen't butcher that one as well.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Arent PC games cheaper than Console games? I mean realistically, if a person was looking for a bargain then the console games is where to go cuz the cost of getting a PC and buying some games that are a bit cheaper highly does not offset the PC price, but if a gamer is known to buy many games, then it would be chepar to be a PC gamer, cuz he'll save about $10 each time they buy a new PC game (as apposed to buying console games). So unrealistically, if that gamer bought 100 games, (saved $10 per game) he'd save $1000, therefore for that scerio it would be 'cheaper' to be a PC gamer.

I dont have a real point thought i'd throw that in the air

What you aren't accounting for are the hidden costs! Such as TIME! How much is your time worth? Mine is valuable! I buy a PC game a half-hour to an hour later, or sometimes longer, you are fuddling with it to get it to work properly and install it. Aside from the PS3, with console games you just pop 'em in and 1 minute or less you are playing. Hell even when there is an update from LIVE it takes 1 minute to maybe 3 at the worst to install it and restart!

Plus the costs of console gaming are shared over a larger number of people in the household! The only way PC gaming even begins to make sense is if you are the only one playing. Any mulitplayer games are just not doable on the PC, for example fighting games, and party games, co-op games!

Also, who is gonna buy 100 games? I might buy that many games over 3 consoles' lives. Half the games I played and finished on XBOX were rentals! Try renting PC games. So when u subtract $5 from a the cost of a $40 PC game, bam, you are saving $35 a game on consoles just by renting. Even if you buy the game you can trade it in, what's the trade in value for a PC game? And finally at the end of your console's life you can trade it in. PC gaming is just way more expensive.

[Superior Beatslayer]

You be a brownie hound and I'll go buy and Xbox 360 and be an Xbot.

***** whats going on gamer, warcraft kinda fell apart on us eh?

[Zilla Man]

Maybe you missed it, but there was no free pass given by me. I ripped the crap out of Nintendo's launch in another thread. Maybe "launch window" will have something, but day 1, there was NOTHING but the refried GC Zelda title. As great as that Zelda title might be for a launch title, over all I give the Wii a thumbs-down on its launch. Even the Virtual Arcade titles available suck. I got Ecco the Dolphin,an old Sega Genesis title I'd always wanted to play, and that's it so far.

I don't understand your logic, Gaddy.

Why pay $8 for a 12 year old game? You have a PS2, so why not just go out and buy the GENESIS GREATEST HITS package that includes Ecco, it's sequel and nearly twenty other classic games - alll for $20? :confused: For what Nintendo charges for 2 of the games in that package, you can get so much more.

I can understand paying for something like Mario 64 that you can't get on any modern system, but why give them your money for Ecco when you can get it cheaper somewhere else?

I guess you must really like giving Nintendo your $$$.

[Mochan]

Any mulitplayer games are just not doable on the PC, for example fighting games, and party games, co-op games!

What the? Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter were on the PC, and 2 could play at the same time. I demolished a horde of people in Mortal Kombat back in the day on the PC.

In college we had a PC with a PS1 emulator set to play Tekken and I was also cleaning house.

Party games? PC probably doesn't have as many party games as Nintendo or Playstation consoles (though even that I'm doubtful of) but You Don't Know Jack was one awesome party game for an entire plethora of people. Monopoly was also a mainstay, and there are a lot of others I don't play. But party games are there and your ignorance of it just shows that... your ignorance.

Coop, does NBA Live count as co-op? There's also Most Co-Op on PCs require two PCs to play but there are games you can play together on one PC. But what game would you like to play coop on one console? Split Screen is atrocious and anyone who wants to do it is hypocritical on PC monitors being too small. Co-op really requires 2 consoles to pull off, and you know it, and that's why you're on Live hyping GoW co-op online.

As for the cheaper thing, the difference isn't just 10$ per game but I'll let the other PC number crunchers handle that. The truth is it's not really necessarily cheaper, and most often I probably spend more on my PC and PC gaming than most console gamers simply because I keep tweaking my PC and all that jazz. I don't mind it, and the PC *is* useful for a hell of a lot more than any console than just gaming, even the PS3.

[ilnadmy]

It's funny, really.

You know how with Xbox Live you can watch movies now? You know how on Xbox Live you can chat with friends now? You know how on Xbox Live you can show your virtual friends what game you're playing? You know how on Xbox Live you can have voice chat? Yeah, I've been doing that on my PC years before the Xbox was aborted in a Silicon Valley bathroom stall.

You know how the Xbox can download mods and user-created material to extend a game's life by years? You know how the Xbox has a great control system for FPS and RTS games? You know how the Xbox can handle up to 64 people online on the same server? You know how on the Xbox you can have custom soundtracks on any game you so desire? You know how....wait....hold on....oh crap, my bad. I was thinking of the PC. It's OK people, nothing to see here, move along.

[ilnadmy]

TMG, let's break it down, shall we?

What you aren't accounting for are the hidden costs! Such as TIME! How much is your time worth? Mine is valuable!

Oh my....I....I didn't know....you....you're the President of the United States!!! What are you doing playing video games man! There's a war in the Middle East! There are nuciler weapons in North Korea! Millions of people are dying the world over! Get your act together man!

I buy a PC game a half-hour to an hour later, or sometimes longer, you are fuddling with it to get it to work properly and install it.

Yes, Mr. President, I understand. Installing PC games does require an elementary level of computer literacy, and just plain literacy in general. But don't you worry, I'll get my 12 year old brother to come over and help you when he's done watching SpongeBob SquarePants.

Plus the costs of console gaming are shared over a larger number of people in the household!

ZOMGWTFBBQ!!! EXCLAMATION MARKS!!

!!!

The only way PC gaming even begins to make sense is if you are the only one playing. Any mulitplayer games are just not doable on the PC

Yes, Mr. President, you're completely right. Battlefield 2 was a huge flop on the PC.

for example fighting games, and party games, co-op games!

Mr. President, I point you to Secretary General Mochan's report. Mr. President, I would urge you to read it right side up, however.

Half the games I played and finished on XBOX were rentals! Try renting PC games.

You're right, Mr. President. I remember the one and only time I went to rent a PC game. The store clerk....he.... *sniff* ....he....picked up the Xbox he had lying around and....and.... *sniff* ....he beat me with it! Oh, the weight of sturdy, well-produced American electronic products!! :cryin:

Even if you buy the game you can trade it in, what's the trade in value for a PC game?

....negative $70?

And finally at the end of your console's life you can trade it in. PC gaming is just way more expensive.

Ah yes, of course. That conclusion follows logically and rationally from the previous sentence. Well done. I only wish my PC could do other, useful, patriotic things, such as produce evidence of WMD's, translate Persian and Arabic and Chinese and other pesky hard-to-understand languages into American English, and access upstanding and well-balanced news sites such as Fox and Sky News.

[NEO-360]

What the hell are you talking about lol. You can get the 360 for $300. The same price as the PS2 and XBOX when they launched. MS has not raised the price of gaming. You can play the 360 without a HDD, just like you can play all the other consoles previously that didn't have a HDD! If you want the HDD and Wireless controller, pay an extra $100. But MS isn't FORCING you. But along came Sony with a $600 console! They are raising the price of gaming. You cannot get a PS3 for $300, you cannot get a PS3 for $400. This has nothing to do with MS, this is all on Sony and them forcing Bluray and HDMI down your throat. So let us recap, for $300 you can buy a 360 with no HDD, and it is way more powerful than XBOX and PS2!! For $250 you can buy a Wii!! MS and Nintendo did NOT increase the price of gaming!

But for $300 the only console you can't buy is a Sony. The company who made BILLIONS in profit from gamers! Is rewarding them by making them pay $500 and $600 for the same game performance as a 360, well actually thus far, lessor game performance. So get it straight buddy!

You took the words right out of my mouth partna!!!! Good post! :cornut:

[NEO-360]

I lied in some past posts when I said that I would never buy another Nintendo console...well only half-lied. I own a Wii, but I did not buy it. Some of my friends all kicked in and bought me one for a wedding present. It was funny because I thought that they had cheesed me on gifts, and a UPS package arrived for me a week ago(a solid two months after the wedding), and it was a Wii and Zelda.

I have only had it a week, so I have limited time with it so far but I must say that I am really liking it. Yeah the graphics are typical cutesy Nintendo graphics, but the control scheme(and the endless future possibilities) more than make up for that. I have only checked out Zelda for a couple of hours, but it really seems like it could turn out to be the best version yet. Really my wife and I have been all over Wii Sports---the tennis and golf in particular. Those games really have me juiced for the prospect of future full-blown Wii controller inspired golf and tennis games. In fact, I never thought in a million years that I would say this about a Nintendo console, but I can't wait to see some of the sports games.

I was so excited with Wii Sports that I actually read some of the Madden reviews, and I picked up a copy yesterday. I only got to play it last night, and I did not graduate past the mini-games and training modes since it has a pretty steep learning curve with the controls. For once I really have to commend EA because it looks like they finally took some care in creating a product that actually takes advantage of its specific piece of hardware. I mean they did not just slap in a few motion controls to keep the Wii owners happy---there are a ridiculous amount of motion controls at your disposal. That is why I did not even get to play a whole game last night. It blew me away.

I want to apologize that I have not been around more, but my life has been totally chaotic with work, the wedding, and now married life. Plus, believe it or not I had a pretty bad accident on my honeymoon and ended up with a real bad staff infection in my leg. I was out of work for a month after my honeymoon because of it, but it has seemed to resurrect my love of gaming. Anyway, I guess that is way too much information for you guys, but I have been thinking about posting for a while now and was just waiting for a good reason. Not much has changed here except one thing that I just read about---Slade bought a 360? You must be kidding me?

Tpod, Congrats on getting married & I wish you a speedy recovery. I've been married for almost 9 years now.1st year goes fast.After that its an adventure. Videogames is bliss when you're laid up in the house with an injury. I've been there mon frere.:cool:

[Mochan]

You know how the Xbox can download mods and user-created material to extend a game's life by years? You know how the Xbox has a great control system for FPS and RTS games? You know how the Xbox can handle up to 64 people online on the same server? You know how on the Xbox you can have custom soundtracks on any game you so desire? You know how....wait....hold on....oh crap, my bad. I was thinking of the PC. It's OK people, nothing to see here, move along.

Yo il, can't you have 128 people in BF2?

Though I guess that doesn't matter since XBots believe that 4 on 4 deathmatch is enough to have fun and anymore is just chaotic.

[ilnadmy]

Nah, BF2 is 64 people max. BF2 on the 360 has 28 people max I think. That's less than one side in an epic BF2 match on the PC.

Ah, the limitations of consoles.

[NEO-360]

Nah, BF2 is 64 people max. BF2 on the 360 has 28 people max I think. That's less than one side in an epic BF2 match on the PC.

Ah, the limitations of consoles.

Short and sweet: videogame console talk: :thumbsup: PC game console talk: :sleep:

Ah, the limitations of PC gamers.:aureola:

[ilnadmy]

Short and sweet: videogame console talk: :thumbsup: PC game console talk: :sleep:

Ah, the limitations of PC gamers.:aureola:
Okay.

[TPoD]

I'm sort of a Ps3 backer; I think they have an uphill battle, but I love the tech under the hood, I like the motion control, and so far, the direction of the 360 software hasn't wowed me very often. Motorstorm impresses me, as does Heavenly Sword and Lair, and I can't wait to see what the guys who did Shadow of the Collosus come up with.

The positivity I feel towards Ps3 is mostly based off how much fun I've had with the Ps2 vs how much fun I had with the xbox; but right now its all hope and potential. If this time next year there aren't several games that outclass what's on the 360--in graphics and gameplay/control innovation--I'll probably end up getting the 360 first and let the Ps3 age awhile.

Or I could succumb to system envy and buy a 360 next month. I don't know. When it comes to Ps3/360, I feel like I've taken over Geezer from '78's role as resident flip-flopper.

Well someone has to be the flip-flopper right? In fact, I guess that I am behaving kind of like a flip-flopper with my love/hate relationship that I have had with Nintendo over the years. Some of my old Nintendo posts are nothing short of seething. I really do like the new control scheme, but I would still like to see a little less franchise milking out of them in the future.

I agree with what you say about giving the PS3 time to age. It is just the usual argument that the 360 is now hitting its stride, so we are comparing titles that are starting to become seasoned with launch titles. It is funny though because for once I am not feeling any hype or pressure to even give Sony a second look. I was content to just go with my 360, if for no other reason, because of diminished gaming time. When I throw the price on top of it there is really no point for me to look at the PS3. Hell, even though I am enjoying the Wii so far, there is no way that I would have purchased one. So...I don't know that it is fair to go as far as to say hell froze over...if I had bought it then hell would have frozen over for sure.

Btw---I will answer your question from another post here. Unbelievably, I don't really have much to report on the new music front right now. I am still really milking Built to Spill and the Drive By Truckers. I am also heading back slightly in the direction of the classic rock genre. I have been working so much that I don't have tons of time to listen at home, so I have been becoming one of those XM car listeners that just switches from station to station on the commute---sometimes even mid-song. For shame! The good news is that I am finally becoming burned out on the same old stuff, so it will not be long before I start seeking out new stuff again. Do you have anything to recommend right now?

[TPoD]

TPoD, it's a especially been a long time for me since I just got back to these boards not too long ago as well. I had a staff infection last year from football, and man do I feel for you. I actually had MRSA, I'm sure the doctors told you about that strain. It's a great thing to be rid of.

Ya'll stop talking about the NFL too, my raiders...*sigh*

Yeah it is an incredible relief to be rid of that infection. I am rid of it, but boy is the scar going to be nasty. I don't know if you saw the nasty scars on Joe Namath's knees during that 60 Minute special or not, but I am going to have one of those to a slightly lesser degree.

[TPoD]

Yeah well, you owe us a couple of months of that anyhow. Welcher.

Poor guy will never live that down will he?

[Mochan]

Depending on how this current gen war goes, you could see me flip-flopping too. If 360 gains more dev support, I could flip flop from Sony to MS. If Sony wins and gives me a mouse, I'll flip flop from PC to PS3.

[Glockstar]

Not until he pays up!

I told y'all, I've got a mind like a Rambo trap.

-

Or, maybe not. I don't recall this...

I guess that I am behaving kind of like a flip-flopper with my love/hate relationship that I have had with Nintendo over the years. Some of my old Nintendo posts are nothing short of seething.

...at all. :confused:

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Too many of you guys try to be funny around here, it just isn't working!
TMG, let's break it down, shall we?



Oh my....I....I didn't know....you....you're the President of the United States!!! What are you doing playing video games man! There's a war in the Middle East! There are nuciler weapons in North Korea! Millions of people are dying the world over! Get your act together man! I have no idea what you even mean here. And I don't feel like trying to figure it out.


<b>
Yes, Mr. President, I understand. Installing PC games does require an elementary level of computer literacy, and just plain literacy in general. But don't you worry, I'll get my 12 year old brother to come over and help you when he's done watching SpongeBob SquarePants.</b> I have no idea what computer literacy has to do with the speed of game installation and tweaking. I didn't say it was hard to install a computer game, I said it takes at least 30 minutes to install and then tweak your settings, maybe install a patch. So if your little brother can make a game install faster wow. You know what does take a little literacy, reading, apparently you lack reading literacy.


<b>
ZOMGWTFBBQ!!! EXCLAMATION MARKS!!
!!!
Yes, Mr. President, you're completely right. Battlefield 2 was a huge flop on the PC.</b> I don't know what you mean here, is this a retort about co-op games and 2 player games? If so once again, check your reading literacy. I didn't say the PC suffered from a lack of internet multiplayer games.


<b>
Mr. President, I point you to Secretary General Mochan's report. Mr. President, I would urge you to read it right side up, however.

You're right, Mr. President. I remember the one and only time I went to rent a PC game. The store clerk....he.... *sniff* ....he....picked up the Xbox he had lying around and....and.... *sniff* ....he beat me with it! Oh, the weight of sturdy, well-produced American electronic products!! :cryin:</b> Again dude, this Mr.President schtick is just not happenin'. Anyway are you saying you can rent PC games? Because i've never seen rentable PC games. So having to buy everyone of your PC games increases the cost of ownership over console gaming where you can rent games.


<b>
....negative $70?



Ah yes, of course. That conclusion follows logically and rationally from the previous sentence. Well done. I only wish my PC could do other, useful, patriotic things, such as produce evidence of WMD's, translate Persian and Arabic and Chinese and other pesky hard-to-understand languages into American English, and access upstanding and well-balanced news sites such as Fox and Sky News.</b> I guess you are trying to say PCs are versatile, yes my PC can do the same thing as yours. But if I wanted to play games at the same level of 360, if I chose to use it for gaming, it would require serious upgrades, and the experience would be more expensive, and not as much fun.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Short and sweet: videogame console talk: :thumbsup: PC game console talk: :sleep:

Ah, the limitations of PC gamers.:aureola:

Yeah, its funny PC gamers always claim how inferior console gaming is, then why are they always over here? And nobody debating consoles ever mentions the PC, yet, they always respond to a thread by bringing up the PC. I don't really have anything against PC gaming, I use to be a PC gamer exclusively. But to me the PC is not a console and doesn't compete against the console. Its like talking about the fastest cars and some idiot keeps saying, yeah but Ducati motorcycle is faster!

Plus you can tell the people who make these arguments just have a bias against 360 or XBOX. They never argue PC against PS or Nintendo. And usually they say it is bad when 360 or XBOX gets a PC game or port, but when Unreal Tournament was announced for PS3 they went ape-sh*t!

[Mochan]

Yeah, its funny PC gamers always claim how inferior console gaming is, then why are they always over here? And nobody debating consoles ever mentions the PC, yet, they always respond to a thread by bringing up the PC.

Lately it's you console gamers, XBots in particular, who are bringing up the PC angle (always by saying how PC sucks in comparison). Take this thread for instance; I even commended MS for bringing the 360 to the PC-level in terms of technical capability, and who was it who started lambasting the PC? It was YOU you schmuck.

Plus you can tell the people who make these arguments just have a bias against 360 or XBOX. They never argue PC against PS or Nintendo. And usually they say it is bad when 360 or XBOX gets a PC game or port, but when Unreal Tournament was announced for PS3 they went ape-sh*t!

Take this for example. Which PC gamer on this board ever went ape**** over UT2k7? The only time I recall anyone cooing over it was Renz when you Xbots were claiming the 360 got all of Epic's love with GOW, so we put you in your place reminding you Epic's true bread and butter is still a PC game. I think Bane might have mentioned UT2K7 as well once, but it's usually not a problem. Bane though DOES take offense at PC games moved over to the Xbox/360 if they end up losing what used to make them greats in the PC realm (take R6 Lockdown for instance).

And on offering pro-PC arguments, how many times you have seen me lambast RE4 for having crappy controls, and wishing it had mouse interface? I've done it at least 3 times over the past year. Need I say that RE4 was a PS2 and GC game, and not on the Xbox? How many times have I ****ed on the PS2's cruddy graphics because they looked like ass compared to 7-year old PC games with thrice the resolution? I did this with FFX and GoW (the PS2 one, not the 360 one), at least.

Learn what you are talking about you selective memory ignoramus.

And by the way, you not only have selective memory, but selective reading powers, too, since you NEVER reply to these arguments.

[ilnadmy]

I have no idea what you even mean here. And I don't feel like trying to figure it out.

Why am I not surprised?

You know what does take a little literacy, reading, apparently you lack reading literacy.

Oh I lack reading literacy. I see. Then what kind of literacy do I have?

Anyway are you saying you can rent PC games? Because i've never seen rentable PC games.

OK you may have a point there. I just assumed there were rentable PC games, but I guess I was mistaken. I just never looked for them so I don't know.

But if I wanted to play games at the same level of 360, if I chose to use it for gaming, it would require serious upgrades, and the experience would be more expensive, and not as much fun.

Look, I got a laptop last September specifically for my gaming. It can run pretty much any game, though not necessarily on the highest graphics settings, but pretty damn good. This laptop could probably last me for the next 3 years and wouldn't need an upgrade. Sure, it won't play the latest, greatest games in their full glory, but that's not something I need; as long as I can play the game and not have it look like crap, I'm happy. And you know what? The 360 and the PS3 aren't getting any faster, so technically my laptop can keep up with them until the new generation of consoles comes out.

And while I admit that us PC gamers factor the PC into our console decision, I have to ask you, can you really blame us? We're PC gamers first and foremost, why shouldn't we do that?

And as far as your car/motorbike metaphor, it's a little off, so let me rearrange it for you. It's more like you guys are discussing the latest tricycles, when we PC guys roll up in our Lambos, Ferraris, and Aston Martins. You guys make some remark about how we shouldn't factor our exotic sports cars into our decision of whether or not to buy a tricycle. We laugh. Then we run you over.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

OK you may have a point there. I just <b>ass</b>-umed there were rentable PC games, but I guess I was mistaken. I just never looked for them so I don't know.



Look, I got a laptop last September specifically for my gaming. It can run pretty much any game, though not necessarily on the highest graphics settings, but pretty damn good. This laptop could probably last me for the next 3 years and wouldn't need an upgrade. <b>Sure, it won't play the latest, greatest games in their full glory</b>, but that's not something I need; as long as I can play the game and not have it look like crap, I'm happy. And you know what?<b> The 360 and the PS3 aren't getting any faster</b>, so technically my laptop can keep up with them until the new generation of consoles comes out.

And while I admit that us PC gamers factor the PC into our console decision, I have to ask you, can you really blame us? We're PC gamers first and foremost, why shouldn't we do that?

And as far as your car/motorbike metaphor, it's a little off, so let me rearrange it for you. It's more like you guys are discussing the latest tricycles, when we PC guys roll up in our Lambos, Ferraris, and Aston Martins. You guys make some remark about how we shouldn't factor our exotic sports cars into our decision of whether or not to buy a tricycle. We laugh. Then we run you over.

So you lose the debate about which one is more expensive and then morph that into some BS about how you have an exotic sports car to our tricycles...zoom zoom...get outta your way. Whatever man. Enjoy your laptop gaming sounds astounding. What games are you playing by the way?

[ilnadmy]

Haha that exotic sports car/tricycle metaphor wasn't meant to be taken seriously.

And secondly, I never said that PC gaming wasn't more expensive than console gaming - it most definitely is. I just prefer it to console gaming.

As far as my PC gaming, I'm going through Call of Duty 2 on Veteran, playing through Oblivion, Battlefield 2, FEAR, and World of Warcraft. I'm also going through Splinter Cell: Double Agent on the Xbox (the first one, not the 360).

[NEO-360]

Just wait till you get to the end of Double Agent. Not only do you have to shoot and kill this guy but you also have to disfuse a bomb as well. Believe me the scenario that you're put in isnt easy. But its not totally impossible. Just make sure you walk into the last battle with a full health bar.

Plus I hope you're good at throwing flash grenades. Thats about all I can tell ya. With over 600,000 Wii units sold in the U.S. and another 400,000 sold in Japan(Gadfly provided that info) the Wii apparently isnt getting a free ride at all. So far so good for the little fun box.:thumbsup:

[ilnadmy]

Wow thanks for killing it for me. A little mystery sometimes isn't bad, you know.

[NEO-360]

Wow thanks for killing it for me. A little mystery sometimes isn't bad, you know.

Oh dont worry I didnt tell you everything. But you'll find out soon enough. :D

[ilnadmy]

Hehe good to know.

[NEO-360]

So what do you plan to own 1st? A Wii, a 360, or a PS3? Me? 360 all the way.:thumbsup:

[ilnadmy]

I thought you already had a 360.

Anyway, I'm planning on getting a PS3 before anything else. A Wii would be a nice purchase, but that's money I could be spending on a PS3. I'm probably not getting one until at least March though. Makes it simpler and gives Sony time to iron out some of their issues. Plus, early adopters get screwed a lot of the time, and I'm not ready for that.

[NEO-360]

Just a PS2,an Xbox,and a N64. My PS2 is actually acting totally retarded so I have to buy another one sometime in the near future. I thought about maybe buying a PS3 in about two years. But there only two games on the PS3 that I want. And there is a huge chance that one of those games may be ported to the 360. So right now the 360 looks to be suited better for me right now.

I'm so surprised that the Wii is doing so well. If anyone would've told me that the Wii would be outselling the PS3 I wouldnt believe them. Right now both Nintendo and Sony has to catch MS. I wonder how long will it be before they do catch up? No one knows for sure.:confused:

[ilnadmy]

I've been saying for a while (even before we knew the details of the Wii, back when it was still called the Revolution) that Nintendo's console would be selling like crazy. I knew that after the Cube they were gonna do something ridiculous to get back interest in their systems. I never knew it would be this successful though. I'm probably getting a Wii after a PS3, but I'll give it some time to get a larger library of games. I'm mostly waiting for some classic games retooled on the controller, sort of like the style of New Mario Bros. (another game I need to get for my DS).

[Gadfly2317]

So what do you plan to own 1st? A Wii, a 360, or a PS3? Me? 360 all the way.:thumbsup:

You don't already own a 360?????!!!!!!! Based on what you've said in your posts. . . .

Never mind. I think my head is about to go all Scanners.

[NEO-360]

You don't already own a 360?????!!!!!!! Based on what you've said in your posts. . . .

Never mind. I think my head is about to go all Scanners.

No I dont own a 360 yet. Does that mean that I cant sit and talk about the console and the upcoming games for it ? No. Based on what I've said in my posts you thought I had one? What exactly do you mean by that Gadfly? Get some cajones and say exactly what you mean by that. But then again they dont call you the Fisher-Price Space Cadet for nothing huh? LOL!!!

Lately you've been like a 500 lb. person with short arms trying to wipe their rears while letting out morning constitutions: Reaching deseperately.

Stick to the threads Gadfly. And take two Midols while you're at it. It may help curve those cramps you've been having.:cryin:

[Gadfly2317]

Lately you've been like a 500 lb. person with short arms trying to wipe their rears while letting out morning constitutions: Reaching deseperately.

Stick to the threads Gadfly. And take two Midols while you're at it. It may help curve those cramps you've been having.:cryin:

Back to pooping and the menstruation. I knew it wouldn't take long :roll eyes:

[NEO-360]

Back to pooping and the menstruation. I knew it wouldn't take long :roll eyes:

Sorry Gadfly but only I am the master of this game you're trying to play. If we arent talking about the Wii, the PS3, or the Xbox 360 in this thread then you're trying to bait someone into a heated arguement that could result in someone getting punished by the good ole boys and girl of VGR Admin. Aint going for it ace. :cool:

[Tappy_Tibbons]

@ first, I really wanted a Wii, then, I realized there are no good games...or at least, the games are few and far between. I do think the new Wario Ware looks fun.

[Cuddly Knife]

I actually thought that you had a 360 too, NEO. It did seem like it from some of your posts.

[NEO-360]

I actually thought that you had a 360 too, NEO. It did seem like it from some of your posts.

I've seen some 360 games first hand.And I've read on alot of info on current and upcoming 360 games as well. By April of 2007 I will in fact have one. I just have an Xbox for the time being to tidy me over until I accomplish snagging a 360 for myself.:thumbsup:

[ilnadmy]

With the praise you've been laying on their product MS should GIVE you a 360.

[GameLegend]

Hey, be easy on NEO, I havent gotten a wii yet either and i have praised it more than enough. I'll get it when I get straight As in a uni semester, none of this A- bullsh*t.

[Mochan]

I don't feel so bad about lavishing praise on stuff I don't have, but I would feel bad when people take me to point on it and I am unable to give more concrete arguments other than fluff I read from other people.

If Neo has played a 360 long enough to know what he's talking about, I see no problems. If we can't take whatever arguments he has down despite him not having a 360, then he doesn't deserve to be taken down.

[NEO-360]

I don't feel so bad about lavishing praise on stuff I don't have, but I would feel bad when people take me to point on it and I am unable to give more concrete arguments other than fluff I read from other people.

If Neo has played a 360 long enough to know what he's talking about, I see no problems. If we can't take whatever arguments he has down despite him not having a 360, then he doesn't deserve to be taken down.

The only real arguments thats been going on is my critism towards the lack of killer apps for the PS3 compared to the games on the 360. For me a console is only as good as the games thats on it. Thats just me.

All those extras that a console can do is a nice asset. Dont get it twisted, but most of the games that I've seen upcoming for both the 360 and the PS3 I have to honestly say that there wont be many exclusives to sink out teeth into.

In other words its either buy a 360 or buy a PS3. Because there are going to be alot of multiplatform titles between them. Alot.

If somebody has either played a new console or played games on it they should be allowed to add their input into debates if they in fact can truly add something to the subject. But nobody knows more than someone that actually owns one though. :(

[ilnadmy]

Yeah, I remember I used to defend the GC last gen before I bought one. It sucks that you don't have the system to "test" on, so to speak, but whatever it works. We're all defending PS3 and we haven't played one either.

[NEO-360]

With the praise you've been laying on their product MS should GIVE you a 360.

Same can be said about you and the PS3 ilnadmy. They should Fed Ex you the $599 bundle with a big red bow attached.(And a couple of old Resident Evil games to boot) :D

[ilnadmy]

Man that would be ridiculously awesome! :D