New Killzone information...

[ilnadmy]

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/killzone2/news.html?sid=6162365

[T]he game is costing more to develop than the priciest film in Dutch history, director Paul Verhoeven's World War II thriller Black Book (Zwartboek).

While Black Book cost more than 16 million euros (approximately $21 million), Guerilla won't mention specific numbers for Killzone's budget. "Our budget tops [the film]," said Killzone director Arjan Brussee. "We're working on the biggest multimedia project in Dutch history."

The article also mentions that there will be downloadable content in the future, possibly more missions and so. Seems interesting. The game looks to be an improvement on the PS2 game. Let's just hope that huge budget pays off.

[Mochan]

Give us an FPS like we saw in the trailer!

Will give me an FPS to look forward to other than Crysis.

[Cuddly Knife]

It better be better than the PS2 version, which is one of the more weaker FPS that I've played.

I read that there is 120 people working on this game. Is that really neccessary?

And the only way Killzone will be able to beat the hype is if it is almost exactly like the pre-render we saw back when. Because Motorstorm is dropping the ball big time when trying to reach their target video.

Comparison video at http://www.gametrailers.com/

Not even close. Plus, I forgot that one of the main draws was supposed to be the cockpit view. Bust.

[theWacoKid]

They can throw as many people as they want, Guerilla sucks as a developer. Killzone was rubbish on the ps2 and Shell Shock Nam bombed. Killzone was a technical mess and the AI was brutally idiotic.

Throwing more people at a project isn't a solution. Its a sympton of a problem. Mainly, sony is somehow desparately looking to counteract Halo 3 with Killzone on the ps3. The problem is Killzone stank. Insomniac is ten times the developer that Guerilla Games is and if they can't create a Halo Killer, GG isn't going to do it.

[folken001]

I played motorstorm at bestbuy the other day. I can't honestly say I found anything to be unhappy about. Yea, it's not the best game out there. But the game looks crisp and everything else works fine too. What's up with the drop the ball comment? From what I read, that's not even the final version. I expect to see the final version to be much better than the demo.

As far as KillZone goes, I think the trailer looks promising. The game will probably end up fun. As far as I am concern, resistance is pretty much a better game than Halo in my eyes. Hell, I find COD3 more interesting than Halo. Even GoW plays better and looks better than Halo. What Halo Killer? No one else hails Halo to be the king of FPS other than Xbots.

[ilnadmy]

No one else hails Halo to be the king of FPS other than Xbots.

Good point. Halo is probably the most overrated game ever, and yet Xbots drool all over it. At least Killzone on the PS2 had levels that weren't just a 2-minute corridor repeated over and over again to create a 1-hour level.

[NEO-360]

I played motorstorm at bestbuy the other day. I can't honestly say I found anything to be unhappy about. Yea, it's not the best game out there. But the game looks crisp and everything else works fine too. What's up with the drop the ball comment? From what I read, that's not even the final version. I expect to see the final version to be much better than the demo.

As far as KillZone goes, I think the trailer looks promising. The game will probably end up fun. As far as I am concern, resistance is pretty much a better game than Halo in my eyes. Hell, I find COD3 more interesting than Halo. Even GoW plays better and looks better than Halo. What Halo Killer? No one else hails Halo to be the king of FPS other than Xbots.

Name me a console FPS thats better than Halo? Check any review over the last 4 years and tell me what FPS on the PS2 or the GC was better than Halo? None. You along with the rest of the Milk Inc. are still upset because Halo came out of nowhere and scored higher reviews than Metal Gear Solid 2 did on the PS2. Not to mention was named Game of the year. Choke on that Capt. Sony.

GOW plays and looks better than Halo huh? Well lets see you are comparing a 3rd person shooter to a 1st person shooter. Hmm.....is that fair? In your eyes perhaps. However getting back to Killzone.

Killzone was billed as the so-called"Halo-killer". LOL! And it didnt even come close. There are so many great shooters coming out I seriously doubt that Killzone 2 will be among them. Those tech demos looked great for the game. However that could've been the opening CG of the game. No promises that what you saw will be the way the game will look from start to finish.

There isnt a better FPS than Halo no any console even to this day.(Excluding PC games in this conversation) Resistance is indeed a good FPS that will hold its own for quite a while until a game called Halo 3 arrives next year.

Motorstorm? Well a good racing game never hurts anyone. We'll see how the final product turns out. Other than that Folken dont be salty because it took Sony 4 years to finally come up with a FPS worthy of mentioning.:prrr:

[NEO-360]

Good point. Halo is probably the most overrated game ever, and yet Xbots drool all over it. At least Killzone on the PS2 had levels that weren't just a 2-minute corridor repeated over and over again to create a 1-hour level.

Oh thats why over 24,000 people was playing Halo 2 on Xbox live back in October. Because its the most overrated game ever. I see.:rolleyes:

Well answer me this then ilnadmy since you think Capt. Sony made a good point with his craptacular reply: Name me a game on any console that has a FPS better than Halo in your humble opinion. And no PC games just console games only thank you very much. Anytime you're ready.:ciappa:

[ilnadmy]

ANY console? Well then I would say GoldenEye, but you'll probably cry foul anyway because that's not a console that directly competes with the Xbox.

TimeSplitters 2 was even more entertaining than Halo, as was TS3 for that matter. There's also Metroid Prime, although you'll also cry that it's not a real FPS. Hell, FEAR on the 360 (and soon to be PS3) is a MUCH better FPS than any Halo title. But oh, wait, that game is a PC port. I wonder why it's so good...

And 24,000 people were playing Halo 2 on Xbox Live in October because it's a good MULTIPLAYER game. In single player it sucks ass.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

ANY console? Well then I would say GoldenEye, but you'll probably cry foul anyway because that's not a console that directly competes with the Xbox.

TimeSplitters 2 was even more entertaining than Halo, as was TS3 for that matter. There's also Metroid Prime, although you'll also cry that it's not a real FPS. Hell, FEAR on the 360 (and soon to be PS3) is a MUCH better FPS than any Halo title. But oh, wait, that game is a PC port. I wonder why it's so good...

And 24,000 people were playing Halo 2 on Xbox Live in October because it's a good MULTIPLAYER game. In single player it sucks ass.

I use to look at your Halo hate post and think well it's just his opinion maybe he just doesn't like the game. But with the post I now see that you are just a Maniac hater. Timesplitters 2 Pure 100% grade A garbage!!!! The worst control ever they were still using the previous model for control and oh God the Horrible auto center damn near made me throw the F$%K up! Timesplitters 3 smartly just ripped the Halo control scheme but the game was basic the comedy camp factor was stupid because it wasn't witty in the least. The story forgettable. The online was broke 4months after release which is when I picked up listing to some idiot at IGN boards.

Fear? Fear?! FEAR?!?!?! You talk about level design in Halo then bring Up FEAR?? I played FEAR on the PC and the game is damn Corridor Shooter of Quake 2 proportions. The gunplay is awesome though. And the A.I. is top notch the same level as the Halo games. But the gameplay isn't nearly as varied. No multiplayer no co op no vehicles. No true 3 dimensional combat (fight enemies on every plane). You could have at least Said Far Cry Or Half Life 2 (after playing this game a 2nd time through I like it better) But Fear? You could have even said I forgeth the name of the FPS it had a female characther it was kind of a riff on austin powers.

Dude you don't play shooters you can't or your taste in game much like your buddy Mochan just sucks. Or maybe you think us Xbots don't play PC game and we're just ignorant to the Platform. Sorry that's not it I just prefer the Xbox. All the games you could have named and you said those. Even if you were only talking about Console FPS you could have said Black which while I wouldn't say is better but If someone thought so I could see it. Or Chronicles of Riddick. Hell even Medal of Honor Frontline. But you are just bashing to be bashing. Halo is the standard FPS on All Platforms.

[Mochan]

And the only way Killzone will be able to beat the hype is if it is almost exactly like the pre-render we saw back when.

Yeah, it has to look like that. If not, then I am not interested. PS - I never played Killzone on the PS2.

The problem is Killzone stank.

Well shouldn't be an issue then, because Halo stank, too.

Name me a console FPS thats better than Halo?

Afraid of the PC again, I see, Mr. Neo.

GOW plays and looks better than Halo huh? Well lets see you are comparing a 3rd person shooter to a 1st person shooter. Hmm.....is that fair? In your eyes perhaps.

I don't undestand this comment. At all. Are you saying something to the effect that Oblivion magically looked considerably better in 3rd Person view than it did in 1st person?


There isnt a better FPS than Halo no any console even to this day.

Well no surprise, since Console FPS stink balls. I don't know about that, though. COD2 is way better than all Halos combined. Have to agree though... FEAR was a bleh corridor shooter.

Halo is the standard FPS on All Platforms.

BBBTTTT. Halo was a joke on the PC.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Well no surprise, since Console FPS stink balls. I don't know about that, though. COD2 is way better than all Halos combined. Have to agree though... FEAR was a bleh corridor shooter.



BBBTTTT. Halo was a joke on the PC.


Your Halo Hate has gone to the point that it's not even worth responding too. But this one last point When the Original Halo was released (almost 3 years after the Xbox version mind you) It still was the best selling game on the PC.

COD2 this scripted a$$ disney world version of WWII. I don't see what's the difference between this serious and medal of Honor. The A.I. is decent and the smoke grenades were cool outside of that it's all right. It's too scripted it has corny ass unlimited respawn. They ripped off the Halo heal system it makes since in Halo why you magically Heal up in WWII game I have no Idea (R6V does this too but not to the same level as COD2).

I guess if you like prescripted, unlimited spawning, non interactive envirionment, stupid Tank mission having FPS's then yeah COD games are better than Halo series. COD is fun but it's so basic and by the book I just don't think it does much. COD3 at least stepped the graphics and it's awesome online.

[Cuddly Knife]

I'd call the Halo games the GTA of FPS. They don't try and do one thing great. They try and make all things above-average. And they succeed.

I really don't know why you guys hate on it so much. I wonder if it had come out on the PC first like it was supposed to, if you guys would be praising it as the first FPS on the PC that tried to do it all and mostly got it right?

[Mochan]

You responded to it though... so shut your mouth, though ironically that is what you should be doing if my posts truly weren't worth responding too!

But this one last point When the Original Halo was released (almost 3 years after the Xbox version mind you) It still was the best selling game on the PC.

Figures and sources please. The best selling game on the PC is not Halo. Don't give me this bull****.

COD2 Unlimited spawning? Were you playing multiplayer or something? When you die in COD2 you die and reload. The game is scripted, but that let you experience set piece scenes beyond anything Halo ever had. And it's not like Halo's AI was so breathtakingly awe-inspiring that it offered a better experience than COD2's adrenaline-inspiring set pieces. I do agree though that the Halo heal thing was kind of lame, but then again so is picking up medikits to magically heal yourself after taking a round of machine gun fire. COD2 was not as awesome as COD1, but it had its own awesome parts. What part of Halo was as pulse-pounding as the Normandy rock climbing level? Not as good as Stalingrad from COD1 but pretty dang close. COD3 is a load of fun I'm sure, when I finally get to play it I will praise it to high heaven over Halo 2 on Vista.

You diss on FEAR but aside form being a "corridor shooter" it was better than Halo was, not that that was saying much (and I did not enjoy FEAR other than for the cheap scares). FEAR's AI is at least as good as Halo's, and you at least had slo-mo options for fun.

COD is basic but it got the formula right. Halo uses a formula as well but didn't really set itself apart except for its most awesome power: HYPE. You have reviewers (even PC reviewerse, yes!) blindly spouting out praise for this game as if they got brainwashed -- and they were frankly -- like the emperor's new clothes where nobody could say anything bad about it just because of the hype, when there were things that obviously were not right.

I remember reading a review of the PC version of the game and they said it was flawless. But I played the game and first off the most blatant flaw is obvious -- no coop -- yet that review said multiplayer couldn't get any better. As you can see, brainwashing at its best. That's how Halo got its fame, through such skillful brainwashing hype that nobody dared say anything bad about it. Halo had framerate issues (both Xbox and PC versions -- even the PC version did not run smoothly on my Radeon 9800 Pro at the time -- a monster of a card that could run Half Life 2 flawlessly) not to mention level design problems (ilnadmy has mentioned one of them) and the PC version's controls weren't 100% responsive (moving around felt "blocky") as I am used to, not as bad as Gothic 3's but still not as smooth as say Quake.

Halo had issues, it's no standard by any stretch except for brainwashed sheep who can't think for themselves.

[Mochan]

I really don't know why you guys hate on it so much. I wonder if it had come out on the PC first like it was supposed to, if you guys would be praising it as the first FPS on the PC that tried to do it all and mostly got it right?

No. Half Life is a PC game franchise and I hated it even more than Halo, and I was whining about it way before the Xbox was even a brainchild. No surprise I ragged on Half Life 2 as well, and this was way before HL2 was ported to the Xbox.

BTW, the game that IS praised as the first FPS to do it all and get it right is Half Life. Not Halo.

[folken001]

I had much more fun playing the new Ghost Recon Advanced Warfare on Xbox Live than Halo. I honest don't see what's so impressive about Halo. The weapons are kind retarded. The story is kinda retarded. Master Chief looks like a futuristic janitor. Imo, COD2 > Halo 2.

[Mochan]

GRAW was definitely more fun than Halo. It's not even a contest, but I do tend to have a preference for tactical shooters over straight shooters.

[NEO-360]

I had much more fun playing the new Ghost Recon Advanced Warfare on Xbox Live than Halo. I honest don't see what's so impressive about Halo. The weapons are kind retarded. The story is kinda retarded. Master Chief looks like a futuristic janitor. Imo, COD2 > Halo 2.

Of course you dont like Halo. Because its an original game that didnt spawn from a Sony console. Other than that if you love FPS's Halo is basically the blueprint of what a great FPS is supposed to be patterened after.

You talk about Master Chief looking like a futuristic janitor? If thats the case what did Raiden from MGS2 look like? The Real 40 year old virgin in X-men spandex. :eek:

Lets not go there Folken. Besides I'm glad you enjoyed playing Ghost Recon than Halo. Since Halo is basically every man for himself compared to Ghost Recon being more a team battle type of environment. Halo's story isnt retarded. You putting down the mearsuring stick of FPS's on any console today is truly retarded. Even for you Capt Sony.:rolleyes:

[Cuddly Knife]

Well hell, i prefer Far Cry online to Halo 2 online, because of the map editor. Sh!t, I've even played Halo and Halo 2 maps on Far Cry. I played an Oblivion map on Far Cry. Halo 2 online does have a lot of variation in how you can set up games though. That's what's giving it its legs.

[folken001]

GRAW was definitely more fun than Halo. It's not even a contest, but I do tend to have a preference for tactical shooters over straight shooters.
They are both ok with me as long as they are well done. Another ghey thing about GRAW is that it's hard to find games to play on Xbox Live without buying the map pack. If you want the map pack, then you have to get a hdd. It's like 750 mb if i remember correctly.

This is just retarded, isn't it. Xbox 360 is cheaper but it is really not.

[NEO-360]

I'd call the Halo games the GTA of FPS. They don't try and do one thing great. They try and make all things above-average. And they succeed.

I really don't know why you guys hate on it so much. I wonder if it had come out on the PC first like it was supposed to, if you guys would be praising it as the first FPS on the PC that tried to do it all and mostly got it right?

I think you hit it right on the head with that one CK.:thumbsup:

If Halo would've came out on the PC first they would be singing a different tune altogether. People often hate on greatness. Every true gamer out there in the world knows that right now Halo is the best FPS on any gaming console today. Not taking anything away from any other FPS out there. But Halo took the genre to new heights. And Halo 3 looks to take it even further.

Resistance for the PS3 is the only FPS worth talking about for the console. And the fact that they think that Killzone 2 is going to be something special is really funny to be honest.

:cornut: The 1st one wasnt crap so what makes them think this one will be any different? It'll look better but overall will the quality of the gameplay along with great A.I. make people take notice? Or will it be just another case of same game with fresh paint? We'll see if the game shines or tanks. I'm saying Tank!!!

[folken001]

I'd call the Halo games the GTA of FPS. They don't try and do one thing great. They try and make all things above-average. And they succeed.

I really don't know why you guys hate on it so much. I wonder if it had come out on the PC first like it was supposed to, if you guys would be praising it as the first FPS on the PC that tried to do it all and mostly got it right?
I also think GTA is a overrated POS game. It also came out on PC. Gasp! I still hate it!.

Halo would probably annoy me a lot less if it didn't have its manhood sucked by so many of you.

[NEO-360]

GRAW was definitely more fun than Halo. It's not even a contest, but I do tend to have a preference for tactical shooters over straight shooters.

You mean you prefer tactical shooters because you have lots of help. In Halo you get help some of the time not all the time. Nothing wrong with neither genre. To bad straight shooters get all the glory though.:D

[NEO-360]

I also think GTA is a overrated POS game. It also came out on PC. Gasp! I still hate it!.

Halo would probably annoy me a lot less if it didn't have its manhood sucked by so many of you.

So you think GTA is an overrated piece of crap huh? To bad its a franchise. Thats more than I can say about Killzone. Halo annoys you because its an original game that put the PS2's MGS2: Sons Of Liberty out of the top spot of game of the year back in 01.

Hate on it all you want. But unfortunately GTA and Halo has something in common:They're both franchises!!! And Killzone? Was labled the"Halo-Killer." And it basically wasnt even close.

So why are you arguing about Halo when you should be talking about Killzone 2's potential on the PS3 Folken? Isnt this thread supposed to be about Killzone 2? Yep. But yet here you are hating on Halo.:idea:

Its not my fault Milk drinkers doesnt have alot of FPS's worth bragging about when compared to Xbox owners.You got Halo issues? Heres some toilet tissue.:cryin:

[NEO-360]

No. Half Life is a PC game franchise and I hated it even more than Halo, and I was whining about it way before the Xbox was even a brainchild. No surprise I ragged on Half Life 2 as well, and this was way before HL2 was ported to the Xbox.

BTW, the game that IS praised as the first FPS to do it all and get it right is Half Life. Not Halo.

On the PC Half Life is the Mother of FPS's. But when you ask console gamers what FPS does it all and got it right the Mother of FPS's is Halo.

But since Xbox owners can currently play both games on their Xbox's why cry over it when you can own two of the greatest FPS's of this generation? Outside of the PC world you're like a fish out of water Mochan. But I'm only telling you what you already know.:hand:

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

You responded to it though... so shut your mouth, though ironically that is what you should be doing if my posts truly weren't worth responding too!



Figures and sources please. The best selling game on the PC is not Halo. Don't give me this bull****.

COD2 Unlimited spawning? Were you playing multiplayer or something? When you die in COD2 you die and reload. The game is scripted, but that let you experience set piece scenes beyond anything Halo ever had. And it's not like Halo's AI was so breathtakingly awe-inspiring that it offered a better experience than COD2's adrenaline-inspiring set pieces. I do agree though that the Halo heal thing was kind of lame, but then again so is picking up medikits to magically heal yourself after taking a round of machine gun fire. COD2 was not as awesome as COD1, but it had its own awesome parts. What part of Halo was as pulse-pounding as the Normandy rock climbing level? Not as good as Stalingrad from COD1 but pretty dang close. COD3 is a load of fun I'm sure, when I finally get to play it I will praise it to high heaven over Halo 2 on Vista.

You diss on FEAR but aside form being a "corridor shooter" it was better than Halo was, not that that was saying much (and I did not enjoy FEAR other than for the cheap scares). FEAR's AI is at least as good as Halo's, and you at least had slo-mo options for fun.

COD is basic but it got the formula right. Halo uses a formula as well but didn't really set itself apart except for its most awesome power: HYPE. You have reviewers (even PC reviewerse, yes!) blindly spouting out praise for this game as if they got brainwashed -- and they were frankly -- like the emperor's new clothes where nobody could say anything bad about it just because of the hype, when there were things that obviously were not right.

I remember reading a review of the PC version of the game and they said it was flawless. But I played the game and first off the most blatant flaw is obvious -- no coop -- yet that review said multiplayer couldn't get any better. As you can see, brainwashing at its best. That's how Halo got its fame, through such skillful brainwashing hype that nobody dared say anything bad about it. Halo had framerate issues (both Xbox and PC versions -- even the PC version did not run smoothly on my Radeon 9800 Pro at the time -- a monster of a card that could run Half Life 2 flawlessly) not to mention level design problems (ilnadmy has mentioned one of them) and the PC version's controls weren't 100% responsive (moving around felt "blocky") as I am used to, not as bad as Gothic 3's but still not as smooth as say Quake.

Halo had issues, it's no standard by any stretch except for brainwashed sheep who can't think for themselves.

Halo got it's fame through Brainwashing. And anybody who likes it is dumb and don't know anybetter. Damn Hommie I can see the spit flying out your mouth and splashing your moniter as you typed that. Obvisouly that's not something worth debating too.

No buddy COD2 has unlimited enemy respawns in the single player campaign. Right off the tope of my head right before you have to call down the air strikes against the tanks. You have to fight off the on foot Nazis they respawn unlimited.

Set pieces you want to compare set pieces. The Halo series is built on Awesome Set pieces Halo 1 just a few the first fight in the Cafeteria aboard the Pillar of Autumn, When you first fight your flying ghost once you land on Halo, The first time you get the Warthog, The beach invasion, the first time you meet the flood, and My personal Favorite the first time you face off against a cloaked, Plasma Blade wielding Elite.

Halo 2 the hell jumper Scene, The Battle across the Bridge, The arial chase /dog fight in the Ghost. The first Fight against the flying bumblebee like covenant, The tunnel race Warthogs, on and on. Halo set pieces murder those in COD. How many damn times can you play the omaha beach level. Damn that's WWII version of Hoth.

Reply what you want but I've made my point and stated my piece. And I honestly don't think you've played Halo 1 nor 2 fully. I can see not thinking it's the best FPS but your comments about the game are so off base I just have to wonder.

Couldn't find the PC sales numbers for Halo but I stand by my statement the Month it was released it was at the top of the PC charts.

[folken001]

Halo got it's fame through Brainwashing. And anybody who likes it is dumb and don't know anybetter. Damn Hommie I can see the spit flying out your mouth and splashing your moniter as you typed that. Obvisouly that's not something worth debating too.

No buddy COD2 has unlimited enemy respawns in the single player campaign. Right off the tope of my head right before you have to call down the air strikes against the tanks. You have to fight off the on foot Nazis they respawn unlimited.

Set pieces you want to compare set pieces. The Halo series is built on Awesome Set pieces Halo 1 just a few the first fight in the Cafeteria aboard the Pillar of Autumn, When you first fight your flying ghost once you land on Halo, The first time you get the Warthog, The beach invasion, the first time you meet the flood, and My personal Favorite the first time you face off against a cloaked, Plasma Blade wielding Elite.

Halo 2 the hell jumper Scene, The Battle across the Bridge, The arial chase /dog fight in the Ghost. The first Fight against the flying bumblebee like covenant, The tunnel race Warthogs, on and on. Halo set pieces murder those in COD. How many damn times can you play the omaha beach level. Damn that's WWII version of Hoth.

Reply what you want but I've made my point and stated my piece. And I honestly don't think you've played Halo 1 nor 2 fully. I can see not thinking it's the best FPS but your comments about the game are so off base I just have to wonder.

Couldn't find the PC sales numbers for Halo but I stand by my statement the Month it was released it was at the top of the PC charts.
I think it makes no sense to expect someone to finish a game that he doesn't like. I'd just like to point that out.

Of course, in the end, people lik what they like. Sometimes the reasoning is understandable and sometimes it's not. Kinda like I won't ever understand why some men like other men in a sexual way. But, hey, I am sure they have a reason.

[NEO-360]

I think it makes no sense to expect someone to finish a game that he doesn't like. I'd just like to point that out.

Of course, in the end, people lik what they like. Sometimes the reasoning is understandable and sometimes it's not. Kinda like I won't ever understand why some men like other men in a sexual way. But, hey, I am sure they have a reason.

Well Capt.Sony people often judge games without even playing them. They simply go by what other people say about it and from there they make a judgement call. By either seeing the game for yourself or playing it first hand to see what the hype is all about then and only then can you make an honest judgement on the game. No somebody shouldnt finish a game they dont like .If they dont like that particular genre they shouldnt play the game in the first place.

You say that you wont ever understand why some men like other men in a sexual way? The way you and Slade used to be up under each other for all these years I thought when they made the movie"Brokeback Mountain" it was based off of you two geniuses relationship. :yikes:

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

I think it makes no sense to expect someone to finish a game that he doesn't like. I'd just like to point that out.

Of course, in the end, people lik what they like. Sometimes the reasoning is understandable and sometimes it's not. Kinda like I won't ever understand why some men like other men in a sexual way. But, hey, I am sure they have a reason.

I don't think some one should keep playing a game they don't like. It's just some posters justification of there opinions about certain games Halo especially. Is so out of wack of what the game offers it makes me wonder if they had any real experience with the game.

[NEO-360]

Halo got it's fame through Brainwashing. And anybody who likes it is dumb and don't know anybetter. Damn Hommie I can see the spit flying out your mouth and splashing your moniter as you typed that. Obvisouly that's not something worth debating too.

No buddy COD2 has unlimited enemy respawns in the single player campaign. Right off the tope of my head right before you have to call down the air strikes against the tanks. You have to fight off the on foot Nazis they respawn unlimited.

Set pieces you want to compare set pieces. The Halo series is built on Awesome Set pieces Halo 1 just a few the first fight in the Cafeteria aboard the Pillar of Autumn, When you first fight your flying ghost once you land on Halo, The first time you get the Warthog, The beach invasion, the first time you meet the flood, and My personal Favorite the first time you face off against a cloaked, Plasma Blade wielding Elite.

Halo 2 the hell jumper Scene, The Battle across the Bridge, The arial chase /dog fight in the Ghost. The first Fight against the flying bumblebee like covenant, The tunnel race Warthogs, on and on. Halo set pieces murder those in COD. How many damn times can you play the omaha beach level. Damn that's WWII version of Hoth.

Reply what you want but I've made my point and stated my piece. And I honestly don't think you've played Halo 1 nor 2 fully. I can see not thinking it's the best FPS but your comments about the game are so off base I just have to wonder.

Couldn't find the PC sales numbers for Halo but I stand by my statement the Month it was released it was at the top of the PC charts.

Because I'm starting to think the same as you do. The way he talks about Halo I dont think hes ever played the game to the end if ever truly played it at all. What does he know?

Halo is the best FPS on any console still to this day. And Halo 3 will raise the bar even further. Outside of talking about PC games Mochan has no game in System Wars. Just alot of bantha fodder from the mouth.:10:
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[ilnadmy]

Would you Xbots please get off Bungie's **** already?

Halo sucks, pure and simple. The single player story, as well as level design, was PAINFUL to play through. Not only that, but Halo 2 went back to do the same thing over again. And you Xbots went out and bought it in spades.

And DT, you seriously wanna rag on COD2? Seriously? Let's compare, shall we?

No buddy COD2 has unlimited enemy respawns in the single player campaign. Right off the tope of my head right before you have to call down the air strikes against the tanks. You have to fight off the on foot Nazis they respawn unlimited.

Lucky for you, I just played that level today. Guess what? You're defending a town against a German invasion, so yeah there are going to be hordes of Germans attacking. But while there are A LOT of Germans, THEY DON'T RESPAWN! You first defend the Southern part of the town and kill all the Germans, then you defend the West and kill all the Germans, then you defend the North and kill the Germans, then go call out targets for the artillery. Don't try to give me that bull**** about respawning in COD2. It doesn't happen.

Set pieces you want to compare set pieces. The Halo series is built on Awesome Set pieces Halo 1 just a few the first fight in the Cafeteria aboard the Pillar of Autumn, When you first fight your flying ghost once you land on Halo, The first time you get the Warthog, The beach invasion, the first time you meet the flood, and My personal Favorite the first time you face off against a cloaked, Plasma Blade wielding Elite.

Those are all just fights! They're not set pieces! The first fight in the cafeteria is just a fight, when you fight a ghost, that's just a fight, when you get the Warthog, that's just an item you got, the beach invasion is just one big fight (although more of a set piece than the others you mentioned). That plasma wielding elite is the only real set piece. And even then, just take a few steps away from the door and he goes back inside, so he's not really that hard to beat.

I played about half of Halo 2, but it didn't have that many set pieces either. Now when you say set pieces in Halo murder those in COD2, are you being completely serious? Because if so, then you must not have been paying attention during COD2. The cliff climber mission? And I mean the whole thing, not just the part where you climb the cliff. Defending Hill 300 against the Germans with the artillery pounding you every few minutes? The alleyway ambush? The level with The Tiger? You MUST be 'shrooming if you think Halo has anything on COD2.

And yes, FEAR was a better game than Halo. The combat is visceral, and the levels, while also repetitive, didn't hurt as much as Halo's did. You also mentioned NOLF (No One Lives Forever). I would have mentioned that, as it is my favorite FPS, as well as probably my favorite game of all time, but NEO mentioned specifically console FPS games, and not PC-to-console ports.

And yet, not one of you happened to deal with GoldenEye. You want to talk about the first FPS to get it right on consoles, it was GoldenEye, and that is a FACT.

[Glockstar]

Lucky for you, I just played that level today. Guess what? You're defending a town against a German invasion, so yeah there are going to be hordes of Germans attacking. But while there are A LOT of Germans, THEY DON'T RESPAWN! You first defend the Southern part of the town and kill all the Germans, then you defend the West and kill all the Germans, then you defend the North and kill the Germans, then go call out targets for the artillery. Don't try to give me that bull**** about respawning in COD2. It doesn't happen.

Hah! Whatever, Mr. PC-games-get-completely-loaded-onto-our-harddrive-and-don't-read-from disks. :rolleyes:

Lucky for you I just finished the game last nite, and then immediately started re-playing thru the levels on the harder difficulties. There are respawns; it does happen! At certain segments - and there are many throughout - the enemies will continue to respawn for an eternity - until you advance on their position or move forward to a certain spot... and trigger their next scripted behavior/action. The worst thing about this is that it's inconsistent with other triggers/plot-mission advancements in the game. Take the first mission for example: I wasted a lot of time sniping guys - the same guys over and over - waiting for my squad to move up, not knowing that it was I, the sniper, that was supposed to lead the charge. Pretty frackin' lame.

[ilnadmy]

Or you could see it as you being the pointman and therefore they're waiting on you to advance. And seriously, sniping on the first level? The tutorial? Really? The level where there are no sniper rifles? Are we even playing the same game?

And as far as that kind of respawning, yeah you'll get a few (read: no more than five) areas where that kind of respawning will happen, as in ONE or TWO people come at you every 2 minutes if you just stay in the same place. It's sort of a way to tell you to move on to the next area. And it only happens in areas that aren't important to the progression of the level, i.e. when you've fought your way through a courtyard, Germans will keep advancing on that courtyard while your allies hold them off. All you need to do is move on to the next area. It gives it some believability since it's a war with thousands of troops on each side, while not hindering your enjoyability by throwing unlimited numbers of troops at you.

[Cuddly Knife]

It's true about enemies respawning until you advance on their posistion. There are also a few points where enemies don't respawn, but when you're just progressing through a regular area, there is respawn.

And I saw you playing COD2 last night, Glock. Was this your first time through?

While Glock was playing COD2, I was playing through some of my old demos, and I saw an interview with the dev from FEAR, where he describes his game as a corridor shooter with an emphasis on close-quarter combat.

[folken001]

It's true about enemies respawning until you advance on their posistion. There are also a few points where enemies don't respawn, but when you're just progressing through a regular area, there is respawn.

And I saw you playing COD2 last night, Glock. Was this your first time through?

While Glock was playing COD2, I was playing through some of my old demos, and I saw an interview with the dev from FEAR, where he describes his game as a corridor shooter with an emphasis on close-quarter combat.
Well, it is true. I think the whole game is about close-quarter combat. It gets repetitive for me very quickly. It's always dark and I am always alone and I always fight people in some narrow area.

[Glockstar]

And seriously, sniping on the first level? The tutorial? Really? The level where there are no sniper rifles? Are we even playing the same game?

Just going by the developers terminology. On the Main Menu: 10 "Missions" listed. Each containing... at least 2 "Levels". Go ahead, check it out yourself... it's right there on your harddrive - it should only take you a couple of seconds. :rolleyes:


And as far as that kind of respawning, yeah you'll get a few (read: no more than five) areas where that kind of respawning will happen, as in ONE or TWO people come at you every 2 minutes if you just stay in the same place. It's sort of a way to tell you to move on to the next area. And it only happens in areas that aren't important to the progression of the level, i.e. when you've fought your way through a courtyard, Germans will keep advancing on that courtyard while your allies hold them off. All you need to do is move on to the next area. It gives it some believability since it's a war with thousands of troops on each side, while not hindering your enjoyability by throwing unlimited numbers of troops at you.

Huh?

Sorry dude, I'm playing thru the game right now. It happens a lot more than you think. I can't recall how many times exactly myself (yeah I just finished it, but it's not like it's something I'm going to keep an exact count of on my first playthru fer crying out loud, sheesh) but I just finished my second playthru of the 2nd Mission and there was another unlimited respawn area - again. That's two for two. I got 8 more Missions to play thru... I can keep the tally going if you want.


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And I saw you playing COD2 last night, Glock. Was this your first time through?

While Glock was playing COD2, I was playing through some of my old demos, and I saw an interview with the dev from FEAR, where he describes his game as a corridor shooter with an emphasis on close-quarter combat.

Yep; first time. I think RBH and I were like the only 360 owners to not get COD2 when we got our 360's.

I just watched the COD2 Bonus DVD today. Developer diaries, commentaries, and walkthroughs, etc, etc, are cool. Added at least a half point to my overall scoring of the game. Made me appreciate a lot of the things they did - even if I didn't notice them when I was playing it.

[NEO-360]

:17: Would you Xbots please get off Bungie's **** already?

Halo sucks, pure and simple. The single player story, as well as level design, was PAINFUL to play through. Not only that, but Halo 2 went back to do the same thing over again. And you Xbots went out and bought it in spades.

And DT, you seriously wanna rag on COD2? Seriously? Let's compare, shall we?



Lucky for you, I just played that level today. Guess what? You're defending a town against a German invasion, so yeah there are going to be hordes of Germans attacking. But while there are A LOT of Germans, THEY DON'T RESPAWN! You first defend the Southern part of the town and kill all the Germans, then you defend the West and kill all the Germans, then you defend the North and kill the Germans, then go call out targets for the artillery. Don't try to give me that bull**** about respawning in COD2. It doesn't happen.



Those are all just fights! They're not set pieces! The first fight in the cafeteria is just a fight, when you fight a ghost, that's just a fight, when you get the Warthog, that's just an item you got, the beach invasion is just one big fight (although more of a set piece than the others you mentioned). That plasma wielding elite is the only real set piece. And even then, just take a few steps away from the door and he goes back inside, so he's not really that hard to beat.

I played about half of Halo 2, but it didn't have that many set pieces either. Now when you say set pieces in Halo murder those in COD2, are you being completely serious? Because if so, then you must not have been paying attention during COD2. The cliff climber mission? And I mean the whole thing, not just the part where you climb the cliff. Defending Hill 300 against the Germans with the artillery pounding you every few minutes? The alleyway ambush? The level with The Tiger? You MUST be 'shrooming if you think Halo has anything on COD2.

And yes, FEAR was a better game than Halo. The combat is visceral, and the levels, while also repetitive, didn't hurt as much as Halo's did. You also mentioned NOLF (No One Lives Forever). I would have mentioned that, as it is my favorite FPS, as well as probably my favorite game of all time, but NEO mentioned specifically console FPS games, and not PC-to-console ports.

And yet, not one of you happened to deal with GoldenEye. You want to talk about the first FPS to get it right on consoles, it was GoldenEye, and that is a FACT.

What do opinions and ass-cracks have in common? Everybody has one.:ciappa:

FEAR just may be a better game than Halo. But it was Halo that raised the bar and set the standards for better games to come along down the stretch when it comes to the FPS genre. Just like Wolfenstein 3-D to Doom and so on and so on. Like it or not Halo is a franchise that has truly taken console shooter to a whole new level. Get over it.

Until a game comes along to take the crown from Bungie inside the videogame world Halo is still the king of the FPS. Period.:D

Plus I did say name me a game over the last four years that could be compared to Halo on a videogame console. Goldeneye doesnt count here. Goldeneye was a great game. A game I still own today.It was indeed a fun game to play. But I wouldnt say that it was a game that got it all right though.

The COD series is cool too. Often too repetitive though. The A.I. could be better in alot of those games. Halo to me had the best A.I. in terms of how the Covenant assembled their attack formations against you. You say get off of Bungie's sack already? Why dont you get off of the PC's game sack and we'll call a truce. But we both know thats not going to happen dont we? Yep.:D

[Mochan]

Halo is the best FPS on any console still to this day. And Halo 3 will raise the bar even further. Outside of talking about PC games Mochan has no game in System Wars. Just alot of bantha fodder from the mouth.

You have no clue, do you? Well go ahead, I won't stop you from making a fool of yourself.


But it was Halo that raised the bar and set the standards for better games to come along down the stretch when it comes to the FPS genre.

The hell? Look at the FPS games coming out today: COD3, Call of Juarez, Stalker, Battlefield 2142, which of these games are what they are today because of Halo? I mean the most you can say is COD2 got the regen thing from Halo.


Like it or not Halo is a franchise that has truly taken console shooter to a whole new level. Get over it.

Oh yeah, we're talking consoles. Well that's understandable, since console gamers were all but oblivious to FPS games before Halo. I've said that over and over and over, and was one of the primary reasons why I said Halo made it big in the first place: console gamers just didn't know any better.


As for Halo assembling formations and all that AI jazz, NOLF came out before Halo and had similar AI.

[theWacoKid]

Hah! Whatever, Mr. PC-games-get-completely-loaded-onto-our-harddrive-and-don't-read-from disks. :rolleyes:

Lucky for you I just finished the game last nite, and then immediately started re-playing thru the levels on the harder difficulties. There are respawns; it does happen! At certain segments - and there are many throughout - the enemies will continue to respawn for an eternity - until you advance on their position or move forward to a certain spot... and trigger their next scripted behavior/action. The worst thing about this is that it's inconsistent with other triggers/plot-mission advancements in the game. Take the first mission for example: I wasted a lot of time sniping guys - the same guys over and over - waiting for my squad to move up, not knowing that it was I, the sniper, that was supposed to lead the charge. Pretty frackin' lame.

The kid is MAJOR clueless. Unless you move forward in COD2, the enemy and your own cpu AI will respawn indefinitely. Aside from the AI, Fear is a major letdown. You fight in the same bloody environment over and over and over again. And the environments are BORING with a capital B unless you actually think warehouses and offices are mondo cool.

The problem with the pc facist crowd, is they just can't deal with the notion that a console fps sold so many copies and that so many people really loved it. Its on a console, so it has to be inferior. You know what I say, fu#$ em! Mochan has demonstrated repeatedly what horrible taste he has in games. Gothic 3 > Oblivion.
Gamerankings scores.

Gothic 3 66%
Oblivion 93%

Oh, yeah, he knows his games. NOT! He hates Oblivion, because it wound up being successful on a console, in fact, it probably sold more copies on the 360 than on the pc. What a blow. That's why Oblivion stinks in his warped little mind.

Killzone was an effin joke. The game was just soooo bad. Clipping issues, framerate issues, tons of fog, piss poor level design, lousy generic characters and AI so awful, you had to see it to belive it. Anybody pimping out Killzone for the ps3 is drunk on sony koolaid. That E32005 clip has been verifed as 100% pure CG. It was a movie. End of story.

[ilnadmy]

Aside from the AI, Fear is a major letdown. You fight in the same bloody environment over and over and over again. And the environments are BORING with a capital B unless you actually think warehouses and offices are mondo cool.

Hahaha, and you like Halo? Are you sh***ing me? Ok, Mr. Schizo, whatever floats your boat.

Plus I did say name me a game over the last four years that could be compared to Halo on a videogame console. Goldeneye doesnt count here. Goldeneye was a great game. A game I still own today.It was indeed a fun game to play. But I wouldnt say that it was a game that got it all right though.

Oh MAN! You did NOT say in the last 4 years, so stop pulling crap out of your ass. Didn't I say, when I mentioned GoldenEye, that you were going to cry foul because GoldenEye didn't directly compete with Halo? Yep. And you proved my point, so thank you.

You Xbots all think Halo is the bee's knees. If so, then why did GameSpy rate it #10 in its list of the top 25 most overrated games of all time? Because it WAS overrated, and it was a mediocre shooter at best.

And NEO, let's get something straight. I told you to get off Bungie's ****, a developer. You told me to get off the PC's ****, a system. Now, I hate a lot of PC games, even ones that are rated highly, like Half Life 2. You on the other hand, love Halo even though it's obviously not that great a game. So not only are you on Bungie's ****, you're on MS's and the Xbox's ****. But hey, as long as you're enjoying yourself, right?

[Renzatic Gear]

The problem with the pc facist crowd, is they just can't deal with the notion that a console fps sold so many copies and that so many people really loved it. Its on a console, so it has to be inferior. You know what I say, fu#$ em! Mochan has demonstrated repeatedly what horrible taste he has in games. Gothic 3 > Oblivion.
Gamerankings scores.

Gothic 3 66%
Oblivion 93%



I can't deal with the fact that Halo is kinda boring and is really overhyped for what it is. It's the same way with FEAR. I thought it was pretty damn bleh, but the big review sites consistantly scored in the high 80's low 90's.

And for the record, Gothic 3 is a better game than Oblivion. It's getting asstastic scores due to the truckload of bugs that came along with it, but G3 does alot so much better than Oblivion ever did.

[Mochan]

Ditto, I love a lot of PC games but I hate a lot of them, too. Peeps at the PC Board can attest to how much I have lambasted top-ranking PC games like The Sims, Planescape Torment, and Half Life. I've hated and made fun of even more truly bad PC games like Dungeon Lords. I've also levelled a lot of criticisms on PC-specific genres, especially RTS games (yet everyone here though I loved the RTS genre!) I've also lambasted the PC for having expensive hardware you have to upgrade all the time, having a nightmare of patches, bugs and IP-protection software, and not being as efficient in using its hardware as consoles. These are all documented in the PC archives, and heck I think I brought up those points on this forum as well at some point.

Get a clue you stinking console nuthuggers I'm a very partial gamer, that's why I have consoles sitting on my desk and in my storage attic!

What I'm seeing isn't PC Fascism, it's Console Fascism. You XBots are denying the PC entry into this discussion forum simply because it's ruining your arguments for your console. Most of my PC comments I make to counter console gaming is simply stating facts about play conditins to disspell some really weird myths some console-exclusive gamers have, or dissing overrated games like Halo (and look! Notice how I usually diss Halo and Half Life in the same thread!) -- which has nothing to do with System bias. Problem with many of you SysWars junkies here is you are too used to arguing the merits of a game based on how much it sold, rather than its actual gameplay and fun factor merits, and on review site scores as opposed to personal subjective opinion, which should always be the most important thing to any gamer (which is better, you buying a 99% game but personally didn't enjoy much, or a 60% game which you really loved?)

Half life 2 or Doom 3 selling well on the Xbox (if it did, I don't know) never bothered me, neither did Morrowind, and I honestly don't care much about how much Oblivion sold on the 360 compared to the PC. And just for the record, I did not hate Oblivion, as some raving lunatics here seem to think. I enjoyed playing the game quite a bit, thank you. There are just a quite a few problems with it, not to mention the outright dishonesty Bethesda had in promoting it, and the expectations of it which simply were not met. And it's undeniable that Gothic 3 did a lot of things better than Oblivion. And while the rest of the world still love Oblivion better (no surprise, it's far more polished) Gothic 3 still remains an accomplishment in its own right.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

The problem with you PC heads is that you seem to think that we can't have played Halo and do like it for what it's worth. The game has it's issues especially the end of the second one. But for you to say it sucks and can't even acknowledge what the game does right. You guys have got to be kidding. Then you turn around and Hype up games that don't do half of what Halo does come on!

It's that we are on Bungie **** it's not that we can't game on the PC. We have our preference and it kills you that some of use the Xbox, Halo and just console gaming in general. You act like people are just not as knowledgable as PC gamers whatever.

Look at how Publishers see this.

Rainbow 6 started of as a PC series. Now look at it. Lead Platform is the 360 with 3 versions not even going to the PC

Ghost Recon started off on the PC. The PC doesn't even get the second one or it's expansion and an inferior version of GRAW.

Oblivion sure it got it's PC version but all the T.V marketing of this game was as XBox 360 title.

Half life 2 didn't even hit the Xbox to well after a year after the PC version but EP.2 is being held up and released at the same time across all platforms with the Majority of the Press going to the Console versions which are packing in so much.

The PC still has the RTS but C&C 3 is coming to consoles and Halo Wars is 360 only (for now) how long will the PC hold that Genre. It's a console world fellas you gotta face it.

[NEO-360]

Hahaha, and you like Halo? Are you sh***ing me? Ok, Mr. Schizo, whatever floats your boat.



Oh MAN! You did NOT say in the last 4 years, so stop pulling crap out of your ass. Didn't I say, when I mentioned GoldenEye, that you were going to cry foul because GoldenEye didn't directly compete with Halo? Yep. And you proved my point, so thank you.

You Xbots all think Halo is the bee's knees. If so, then why did GameSpy rate it #10 in its list of the top 25 most overrated games of all time? Because it WAS overrated, and it was a mediocre shooter at best.

And NEO, let's get something straight. I told you to get off Bungie's ****, a developer. You told me to get off the PC's ****, a system. Now, I hate a lot of PC games, even ones that are rated highly, like Half Life 2. You on the other hand, love Halo even though it's obviously not that great a game. So not only are you on Bungie's ****, you're on MS's and the Xbox's ****. But hey, as long as you're enjoying yourself, right?

I did say name me a FPS on any console over the last four years that can hold a candle to Halo. And the best you guys came up with was a game that came out back in the late 90's with Goldeneye. Thats pretty sad. Now on the PC game front there are indeed lots of FPS's.

Goldeneye is a great game. But it cant hold its own overall against Halo though. Sorry but it doesnt. Goldeneye is indeed one of the best FPS's ever made. But above Halo? Not even close.

But on the videogame console front its totally apparent you guys couldnt name one that got the kind of recognition that Halo received. Thats my point right there. Moving on. Once again you're bringing the PC gaming front into a videogame console discussion.(Like Mochan)

Its so painfully obvious that you cant debate on any issue in System Wars without bringing the PC world into it. That makes you basically a one dimensional debate around here.

Yes Halo may have been listed as overrated in that toiler brush of a website called Gamespy. But apparently the rest of the videogame world saw it different.:p

To sum it all up: Halo is a franchise. Killzone isnt. Bottom line.

[folken001]

The problem with you PC heads is that you seem to think that we can't have played Halo and do like it for what it's worth. The game has it's issues especially the end of the second one. But for you to say it sucks and can't even acknowledge what the game does right. You guys have got to be kidding. Then you turn around and Hype up games that don't do half of what Halo does come on!

It's that we are on Bungie **** it's not that we can't game on the PC. We have our preference and it kills you that some of use the Xbox, Halo and just console gaming in general. You act like people are just not as knowledgable as PC gamers whatever.

Look at how Publishers see this.

Rainbow 6 started of as a PC series. Now look at it. Lead Platform is the 360 with 3 versions not even going to the PC

Ghost Recon started off on the PC. The PC doesn't even get the second one or it's expansion and an inferior version of GRAW.

Oblivion sure it got it's PC version but all the T.V marketing of this game was as XBox 360 title.

Half life 2 didn't even hit the Xbox to well after a year after the PC version but EP.2 is being held up and released at the same time across all platforms with the Majority of the Press going to the Console versions which are packing in so much.

The PC still has the RTS but C&C 3 is coming to consoles and Halo Wars is 360 only (for now) how long will the PC hold that Genre. It's a console world fellas you gotta face it.
Probably it has something to do with the fact that 360 = computer? I doubt publishers would port games onto consoles if the architectures of the two are significantly differeniated. The fact is M$ has been working to eliminate the line between consoles and PCs. Console ports of PC games are probably just the same old games with lower setting requirements.

[ilnadmy]

We have our preference and it kills you that some of use the Xbox, Halo and just console gaming in general.

I have an Xbox, a PS2, and a GC (well I just sold my PS2 in anticipation of the PS3, but whatever). Hell, I'm currently playing Splinter Cell: Double Agent on the Xbox. There are, indeed, some good games on the consoles, we're not arguing that. We're just saying that Halo was an overhyped piece of crap. The level design was horrendous, the story was atrocious, and the single player mission development was quite retarded. I said that multiplayer is fun, and having co-op is also fun, but as a single player experience it blows. OTHER GAMES ON THE CONSOLE ARE GOOD, BUT HALO SUCKS. That's what we're saying.

Oblivion sure it got it's PC version but all the T.V marketing of this game was as XBox 360 title.

Half life 2 didn't even hit the Xbox to well after a year after the PC version but EP.2 is being held up and released at the same time across all platforms with the Majority of the Press going to the Console versions which are packing in so much.

The console versions get the most press because console gamers have way too many games to keep track of that they need to have this advertising shoved down their throats to pay attention to a specific game. PC gamers have less games to keep track of, so in general they don't have 17 games coming out in the same month vying for their attention. All PC gamers knew exactly when Half Life 2 dropped, we all know when Crysis is coming, and we all know when BioShock is coming.

The PC still has the RTS but C&C 3 is coming to consoles and Halo Wars is 360 only (for now) how long will the PC hold that Genre. It's a console world fellas you gotta face it.

Good luck playing an RTS with a controller.

Goldeneye is indeed one of the best FPS's ever made. But above Halo? Not even close.

Many console gamers would think different, and I'm one of 'em.

Its so painfully obvious that you cant debate on any issue in System Wars without bringing the PC world into it. That makes you basically a one dimensional debate around here.

Are you kidding me? I can destroy the Xbox with just the PS2's library, and it has been done over and over again. But since you can't seem to understand how the PC fits into this, here you go.

Let's say the PS3 and 360 had all multiplats. No exclusives whatsoever. And these multiplats were shared with the PC. Do you think I'd buy a PS3? No. I'd be solely a PC gamer since all the games I would want to play on the two consoles I can get for my PC. Now, assume the PS3 and the 360 are what they are in the real world. In this case I would buy a PS3, because the 360's exclusives I CAN get on the PC. See what happened here? If the PS3 were more like the 360, then I wouldn't get a PS3. I wouldn't need to.

It's not a matter of I need the PS3 and the PC to beat the 360. It's a matter of I just need the PC to beat the 360. The PS3 is just an extra that provides me with more games.

[folken001]

Dude, why bother reply to Neo.

[ilnadmy]

You know, it is just easier to ignore him...but then he might think he actually made a point, and I can't let that happen.

[ilnadmy]

To sum it all up: Halo is a franchise. Killzone isnt. Bottom line.

ARE YOU CRAZY??

Two things:

1- Killzone Liberation on the PSP. Look it up. Killzone on the PS3....THE DAMN SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD!

2- The Mary Kate and Ashley games are a franchise. Are you saying that game is good? What about the Barbie series of games? Hello Kitty Island Adventure (for you South Park fans :wink5:)?

[NEO-360]

ARE YOU CRAZY??

Two things:

1- Killzone Liberation on the PSP. Look it up. Killzone on the PS3....THE DAMN SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD!

2- The Mary Kate and Ashley games are a franchise. Are you saying that game is good? What about the Barbie series of games? Hello Kitty Island Adventure (for you South Park fans :wink5:)?

Once again, Killzone isnt a franchise. Halo is indeed a franchise. It doesnt matter if we are talking about Killzone on the PS2, the PS3, or the PSP. People dont talk about Killzone hardly at all. The buzz is always on Halo. Ever since Halo 1 the buzz never stopped. From Halo 1 to Halo 2 to now next year with Halo 3.

Not to mention Halo has spawned novels as well. When you read videogame magazines how many times have we seen Master Chief's likeness? Mass times.(lost count) How many times have we seen Killzone in videogame magazines since its PS2 debut? Enough said right there.

Plus, the fact you're talking about Mary Kate & Ashey & Barbie is just a little scarey.:eek:

Arent we talking about videogames? I think so. Yes those ugly frail twins indeed are franchise players in the entertainment world along with Barbie but this is System Wars mon frere. Killzone isnt a franchise. It has potential.

But 9 times out of 10 it'll come and go while people will still be talking about Halo 3's greatness. Not to mention will still be playing it strong on Xbox live months and months after its release. When Killzone is able to do that on the PS3 then you can serve me up some of that Crow. Till then enjoy that slice of Master Chief Key lime pie lad.:hand:

[NEO-360]

Dude, why bother reply to Neo.

VGR's self proclaimed greatest hero once again cant match wits with the one of VGR's elite when it comes down to going head to head on a thread. If I wasnt making any valid points people like ilnadmy and you wouldnt respond. :idea:

But I'm only telling you what you have known for the last 5-6 years now 001. But once again since you have issues here some more tissues for ya.:cryin:

[NEO-360]

You know, it is just easier to ignore him...but then he might think he actually made a point, and I can't let that happen.

People often fear what they dont understand all the time. Thats why Folken runs like hell whenever I'm around. But anyway its all good clean fun around here ilnadmy. I make valid points just like alot of other people do around here. And sometimes some of us suffers from diarrhea from the mouth. Thats just the way the cookie crumbles.

Most of the time I do make very valid points. When you guys cant counter it you come up with something else to change the subject. Yeah you could ignore me. But then that would make you look like what I had last night for dinner.A chicken. And in System Wars we fight. But once again man its all good fun around here.:thumbsup:

[Dancer O_o]

Once again, Killzone isnt a franchise. Halo is indeed a franchise. It doesnt matter if we are talking about Killzone on the PS2, the PS3, or the PSP. People dont talk about Killzone hardly at all. The buzz is always on Halo. Ever since Halo 1 the buzz never stopped. From Halo 1 to Halo 2 to now next year with Halo 3.

Not to mention Halo has spawned novels as well. When you read videogame magazines how many times have we seen Master Chief's likeness? Mass times.(lost count) How many times have we seen Killzone in videogame magazines since its PS2 debut? Enough said right there.

Plus, the fact you're talking about Mary Kate & Ashey & Barbie is just a little scarey.:eek:

Arent we talking about videogames? I think so. Yes those ugly frail twins indeed are franchise players in the entertainment world along with Barbie but this is System Wars mon frere. Killzone isnt a franchise. It has potential.

But 9 times out of 10 it'll come and go while people will still be talking about Halo 3's greatness. Not to mention will still be playing it strong on Xbox live months and months after its release. When Killzone is able to do that on the PS3 then you can serve me up some of that Crow. Till then enjoy that slice of Master Chief Key lime pie lad.:hand:

The Moody surfaces like a creature from the abyss!

I think Halo 1 and 2 had solid single player design. The first one was a bit repetative on some levels but good as FPS go. The second ones Single player story does continue nicely from the first but was vexingly short and WAY overhyped on some things. "This time the battles for Earth" or some poo like that, only find that only the tiniest fraction of the game is actually on Earth. The Xbox live multiplayer part of Halo 2 had potential but endless Rumble Pit gets boring as hell in about an hour or so. Battlefield Modern Combat (Xbox) is superior in every way to Halo 2 when it comes to online potential. And there are always chumps playing it, just like Halo 2.

I have high hopes for Halo 3 and its online content, but the fact that I can never play a single Live Halo 2 game with vehicles and everything being deathmatch makes for a tiresome experience...and I've played Halo 2 online for a long time now. I do love the Chief though, the book "Fall of Reach" was far better written than I thought it would be and the SPARTAN program was interesting as hell to read about...Who would have thought that Cortana's brain design was modeled after the SPARTAN programs lead scientists brain?...good SciFi stuff

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Ping Wraith

[Mochan]

How is BF: Modern Combat compared to BF2? BF2, while a bit overrated I think, was still a lot of fun for multiplayer (well it better be, it's only focus is multiplayer). Piloting plains and helicopters though takes a hell of a lot of getting used to.

[Dancer O_o]

How is BF: Modern Combat compared to BF2? BF2, while a bit overrated I think, was still a lot of fun for multiplayer (well it better be, it's only focus is multiplayer). Piloting plains and helicopters though takes a hell of a lot of getting used to.

Getting the hang of Helos in BFMC is also tricky, but less so than the PC because they did such a great job of mapping the controls to the controller. the right stick is for altitude adjustments and drift, the left is for rotation and forward and back movement, once you catch on (and it takes a bit to do that) you will have that stupid assed grin on your face as you cruise over a middle-eastern town pounding check points with rockets while a second seat gunner rocks the ground with gattlin gun fire....superlative in every way. Don't like flying? Then join the American side and take an Ahbrams tank for spin, roll that thing into the same town a 40 MPH, stop on a dime and level the same check point in 2 seconds flat while your troops pure into the check point moments later for a quick reclaim of said check point. Using the chitchat button I've been able to tell other bros when to get the hell off the road and save a column on the way to check points from camping rockeeters laying in wait. It's the perfect Xbox live game and everthing I wanted from Halo2 and didn't get. The FPS part of the game is so well tuned that if it didn't have vehicles I would still play it like the madman I have been lately.

No jets or UAVs though that I can see in the game at all, this is blessing honestly. I still play the PC versions of 1942, Vietnam and BF2 with expansion packs, but these games are hard to get a single kill in without dieing 20 times first because of all the damned air traffic skulking about.

[Mochan]

Part of the difficulty in playing PC FPS games online is that the people playing are just so damn good. The skill differential between a newb and a shark in PC FPS is just ridiculous, moreson than on consoles thanks to the mouse thing. Couple that with map famliarity and all that jazz, and newbies have a long, hard, uphill climb.

[NEO-360]

[QUOTE=Dancer O_o]The Moody surfaces like a creature from the abyss!

LMAO!!! Been a long time since we've talked Dancer O_o.:D

Halo is my favorite FPS of all time. Halo 2 was okay. I still own it to this day. I cant wait to see what Halo 3 brings back to the table. Some of the weapons I've seen on 3 looks pretty cool. Especially the spike grenade.

Alot of milk drinkers around here has such high hopes for Killzone. I dont think Killzone will be anything to write home about. The 1st one wasnt much so why should this one be anything above and beyond the original for the PS3? If it turns out to be a good game then thats all good. But Halo 3 will be the FPS to be in 2007 though.:cool:

[Dancer O_o]

[QUOTE=Dancer O_o]The Moody surfaces like a creature from the abyss!

LMAO!!! Been a long time since we've talked Dancer O_o.:D

Halo is my favorite FPS of all time. Halo 2 was okay. I still own it to this day. I cant wait to see what Halo 3 brings back to the table. Some of the weapons I've seen on 3 looks pretty cool. Especially the spike grenade.

Alot of milk drinkers around here has such high hopes for Killzone. I dont think Killzone will be anything to write home about. The 1st one wasnt much so why should this one be anything above and beyond the original for the PS3? If it turns out to be a good game then thats all good. But Halo 3 will be the FPS to be in 2007 though.:cool:

After all my Xbox live goodness this weekend (about 20 hours) I've decided to go ahead and get a 360 for Christmas, actually I've decided the girlfriend will get it....even if she is not aware of it yet. I'll probably go get it this week since my local Target has a whole stack as of yesterday. The PS3 can wait a few months more when it will be less troublesome to find and has a few more games I want, such as Armored Hore 4.

If Killzone looks as good as the CGI footage they were passing off as in-game footage then I'll get it as an impulse buy, I'm sure the PS3 can do this level of graphics and I believe the 360 could as well. I'm just not holding my breath on this yet though, I strongly dislike CGI trying to be passed off as in-game....that is a clear signal that something is out of place.

Moody or Neo if you prefer, Glad you are still around my friend.:thumbsup:

[NEO-360]

[QUOTE=NEO-360]

Moody or Neo if you prefer, Glad you are still around my friend.:thumbsup:

Gracias amigo! Same to you my friend. Its actually good to be back in the lion's den filled with Nintendo brownies, Rated Xbots, & Sony milkdrinkers. The all-time so called Cancer of VGR is back. But this time a little more mellow.:thumbsup:

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

[QUOTE=Dancer O_o]

Gracias amigo! Same to you my friend. Its actually good to be back in the lion's den filled with Nintendo brownies, Rated Xbots, & Sony milkdrinkers. The all-time so called Cancer of VGR is back. But this time a little more mellow.:thumbsup:


Well I'll be damned!!!!!! I can't believe I didn't recognize you:mad2: welcome back to the wars. If you didn't know it's (WCG-Worldclassgamer)

[Mochan]

He actually mentioned who he was in a spat with Folken some time back. I never met Moody before so it passed over my head.

[Dancer O_o]

He actually mentioned who he was in a spat with Folken some time back. I never met Moody before so it passed over my head.

Four thousand one hundred and thirty one posts and you don't know who Moody is?

[Cuddly Knife]

Keep in mind Mochan wears very dark PC shades. And all those posts came in like half a year. Not really, but almost.

All we need now is a mellower '78, and VGR will be back in full mud-slinging form.

[Mochan]

Look at my join date, Dec 2004, I spent most of the time from that date to about late 2005 on the PC board, and only really joined SysWars proper mid 2005 with sparing posts. However I really got into the swing of SysWars late 2005. I post more than anybody else on this board I think since I waste so much time at work doing nothing but post.

This account though is a revival of a much older account that started like 1999 or so. Problem is I left the board around 2002 or 2003 and it changed by the time I came back, and my account was gone. In my first stint though I never visited SysWars and spent all my time at the PC Board, and occasionally on the PS1/2 board.

[Cuddly Knife]

You've been here since 99? Damn. How long has this site existed?

And I just noticed the lame Burger King pic on my sig. Lame. I wanted the crown.

[ilnadmy]

Man I remember this site from before it got the redesign. It was a lot more alive back then. I stopped posting here after the switch since I couldn't get the hang of the new layout, then came back after a few years.

There were a helluva lot more reviews too. I was looking back at MGS2, and that game had like 300 reviews or something. MGS3 got six.

[Dancer O_o]

Look at my join date, Dec 2004, I spent most of the time from that date to about late 2005 on the PC board, and only really joined SysWars proper mid 2005 with sparing posts. However I really got into the swing of SysWars late 2005. I post more than anybody else on this board I think since I waste so much time at work doing nothing but post.

This account though is a revival of a much older account that started like 1999 or so. Problem is I left the board around 2002 or 2003 and it changed by the time I came back, and my account was gone. In my first stint though I never visited SysWars and spent all my time at the PC Board, and occasionally on the PS1/2 board.

Your story is similar to mine, I originally came to these boards in the mid to late 90s sometime. For a few years I stopped posting but read everything, although I did post some under an alias and still do, but rarely...mainly for Sony Corp Henchmans (aka Tashi) benefit.

[NEO-360]

[QUOTE=NEO-360]


Well I'll be damned!!!!!! I can't believe I didn't recognize you:mad2: welcome back to the wars. If you didn't know it's (WCG-Worldclassgamer)

Thanks for the welcome. Its good to be back in the thick of things. It looks like some of the Sony breast milk drinkers are starting to cry over my replies once again. Boy, its starting to feel like the good ole days already. I didnt know it was you either WCG. Cool!!:thumbsup:

[NEO-360]

Four thousand one hundred and thirty one posts and you don't know who Moody is?

Me & Mochan have in fact talked all over these boards Dancer. But he has no idea about who I really am or about the anarchy that I've caused under a billion different usernames over the years.He doesnt know me quite like most of the VGR vets do over the last 6 years now. He'll learn.:D