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Glockstar

11-20-2006, 02:53 PM

Fivespot

11-20-2006, 05:28 PM

I've been optimistically hoping that at least 2 of the 3 were playing one of those shiny black PS3's. But after a few days and not even an impression was shared it got me wondering. Maybe the PS3's are just so darn life changing that no time is left for debating it's awesomeness. WOW!

ilnadmy

11-20-2006, 09:01 PM

Or maybe they've just been busy over these past, what, 4 days? 5 days? It's not out of the question that people have real-life stuff to deal with sometimes.

theWacoKid

11-20-2006, 09:06 PM

Probably still on hold with sony tech support.

Cuddly Knife

11-20-2006, 09:09 PM

LOL. Good one, Waco!

ilnadmy

11-20-2006, 11:36 PM

Probably still on hold with sony tech support.
Hehe that's good. It would of course be more believable if it was a company like, oh, say, I don't know...Alienware.

theWacoKid

11-21-2006, 10:41 AM

Hehe that's good. It would of course be more believable if it was a company like, oh, say, I don't know...Alienware.

You didn't get the memo? The ps3 IS a computer.

Gadfly2317

11-21-2006, 11:41 AM

You'd have to live in a cave to have not expected some problems; but I figured most of it would be relegated to buggy units due to the rushed manufacturing of an entirely new system; failed cell processors, blue ray laser problems, etc.

I honestly never expected core things like the interface or the functionality with different hi-def sets to be a problem.

And finally, it's just the reality. I had been really dissapointed with 360's first year, and until recently, not at all wowed by so called "next gen graphics and gameplay." Though not one of the "Sony Milk Drinkers" referred to in this post, I think I just really really hoped and wanted the Ps3 to be more amazing than the 360 because the 360 has not dazzled. Well, the Ps3 doesn't dazzle either. And if it doesn't also put out in the one thing I still assume Ps3 would exceed at--more diversity in its line-up and genres, then WTF?

Hype is at full bore right now, and like a lot of gamers, I have "new system covetitis." So my opinions are likely warped a bit by that. But still. Taking a closer look at what I already wanted for 360, and some of the stuff coming up, MS's system keeps looking better and better. . . in no small part due to Nintendo's underwhelming graphics and Ps3's overpriced incoherent disaster.

VGV

11-22-2006, 08:27 AM

Where did theLastWord, Ocelot, or VGV go? They haven't posted on here since before the PS3 launched. Actually, that's inaccurate... they haven't been running their mouths, talking out their you-know-whats, since before the PS3 reviews starting coming in. ROFLMAO

Anybody else think that they are being awfully conspicuous by their absence?

It's after Nov.17... are you (still) waiting? Haw!

Huh ... gone for a few days and already my sig is mentioned <img src="http://forums.videogamereview.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif">

About the reviews :

<table width=600 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0><tr><td>Resistance: Fall of Man</td><td>89</td></tr><tr><td>Call of Duty 3</td><td>83</td></tr><tr><td>Marvel Ultimate Alliance</td><td>86</td></tr><tr><td>NBA 2k7</td><td>82</td></tr><tr><td>Need for Speed: Carbon</td><td>82</td></tr><tr><td>NHL 2k7</td><td>80</td></tr><tr><td>Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07</td><td>82</td></tr></table>

That's 50% of PS3 launch games scoring over 80% against the 360's 42% ! Scoring a PS3 is the prob, not the system or games.

Glockstar

11-22-2006, 10:39 AM

First of all, where's Ridge Racer?! How come I don't see that on the list there, buddy? What a travesty, eh? What an injustice. I mean, didn't those reviewers see the videos?!

Second off, while the percentage may be higher, the number of games isn't: there were still more 360 launch games rated 80% or higher than there are PS3 games! The PS3 has launched with only 13 games! 13 games! That's pathetic!

What's more, another way of looking at all this is to say that nearly 25% of the PS3's launch games are rated below 60%. (The Ps3 already has 3 games that suck up the joint; the 360 has 7 total for it's whole first year.)

Coincidentally, all of those games that are below 60% also happen to be PS3 exclusives. Of course, having said that I should probably also add that there is another... not that much better: yep, the 4 worst scoring games of the launch are all PS3 exclusives!

4 out of the 5 games that are exclusive to the PS3 suck monkey ballz.

The other game, the 5th, that's the best. So hey, there's a reason to want to wait in line for half a day and spend $600+ after all! Yessir!

Lastly, you and I are both assuming quite a bit here. We're both assuming the best. That list of yours will probably get a lot shorter once the reviews start coming in. I do a search on GameRankings for PS3 games using the default criteria and the only game that comes up is Resistance. None of the other games have enough reviews behind them to register them.

VGV

11-23-2006, 06:56 AM

Gadfly2317

11-23-2006, 07:58 AM

About RR7 ... did you see the Famitsu scores ? 9/9/9/9 ... and keep on dreaming, the
TGS gameplay vid I posted, let's see the 360 do that <img src="http://forums.videogamereview.com/images/smilies/nonod.gif">

P.S. Sorry to rain on your parade, but still ... PS3 launch > 360 launch <img src="http://forums.videogamereview.com/images/smilies/lol.gif">

I think all three have crappy launches as far as the games are concerned. Even on Wii, the only real saving grace is Nintendo was smart enough to revamp Zelda and bump it from the GC. As cool as something like Rayman Raving Rabbids looks, the DS has about mini-gamed most of us out.

The 360 launch was xbox 1.5, and Ps3. . .they've bungled the launch in so many ways that to call it a good launch--weak games, PR probs, hardware--is laughable.

Day 1, if you've got one or two good games you're lucky, so all this smalk talk is kinda overblown and silly. "Launch window" is more important, which for 360, was thru march when the "launch window" title Oblivion finally showed up. Looking at it that way, if Ps3 and Wii do what they are supposed to do, Metroid Corruption, Super Smash Brothers Brawl online, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, Lair and several other big titles should be showing up. Should. I think we'll all be shocked if Nintendo actually has Metroid before Xmas '07.

I was feeling totally hyped about the new systems, but not getting the Wii day 1 is the best thing that could have happened because I probably would have ended up buying crap that I would never buy and play if it were year 2. Anticipation is fun, but when you go actually look at the shelves, at the games, and then in your wallet and decide which ones are worth it, there's nothing yet on Ps3 I would buy, and the only Wii game I've bought is Zelda (and will MAYBE get Rabbids); and the 360 STILL after a year only has about 3-4 games I'd buy.

Yeah, I walked into Best Buy yesterday to pick up some stuff for the Wii, but actually looking at it, I ended up walking out with no Wii games--just Shadow of the Collosus and Destroy all Humans for Ps2. Last gen is still better than this gen, and that goes especially for the $600 +$60 dollar per-game PS3.

Superior Beatslayer

11-23-2006, 10:45 AM

Where in the **** do you get 42%??!

theWacoKid

11-23-2006, 06:09 PM

NEO-360

11-27-2006, 11:53 AM

Hey, spanky it was your parade that got downpoured on. Analyst estimates of 125k - 175k ps3s for launch. Aside from resistance, the WORST set of console exclusive launch titles EVAR! And in case you haven't figured it out, people buy a new console for exclusives not for multiplat tiltes, which generally speaking so far, are better on the 360.

AND the only reason the mutliplat titles are scoring around 80% is because they're xbox 360 ports. Talk about your self-ownage.

Yep.:thumbsup:

Other than Resistance everything else is nothing short of an Xbox 360 port fest. But you cant tell Milk drinkers that though.:rolleyes:

Mochan

11-27-2006, 01:51 PM

slade

11-27-2006, 04:57 PM

Slade also seems a little missing in action though at least his presence is still here somewhat.

I'm passive aggressive.

Wait till my reviews of 360 titles start coming in.

Mwahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lemonio

11-27-2006, 05:14 PM

Where in the **** do you get 42%??!
he got it from Hitchikers guide to the galaxy
copy and paste this into google and see what you get :lol:

the answer to life the universe and everything

Gadfly2317

11-27-2006, 10:13 PM

LOL you're right, the only people holding the Sony fort these days are myself, Papasmurf, Folken, ilnadmy and the occasional Zilla post. And Gadfly is actually contributing quite a bit to the Sony cause all things considered. Slade also seems a little missing in action though at least his presence is still here somewhat.

I've been ripping Sony too somewhat, but I currently find myself in a somewhat favorable position with Sony. The PsP has finally stayed off the "gathering dust" list consistently for the last couple months, and the Ps2 has ended the generation as my favorite console, even though early on GC had won my gaming heart with Metroid Prime, Pikmin, Animal Crossing and a number of very original, deep games.

Right now, I'm feeling pretty pissed at all consoles.

1.) 360 has no built in wifi, which I need to get online, so if I get a 360 it costs about as much as a Ps3. And it has no control innovation. And it has no real hi-def storage solution.

2.) Ps3 is expensive but I love what you get for the money. But it appears to be sloppy, at least in its firmware and functioning, especially in the way it deals with 720p. And while I was impressed with the addition of 6 axis, getting rid of rumble sucks BAD. In the two games on Ps2 I just played, Okami and Shadow of hte Colossus, rumble was a HUGE part of not just immersion, but into cluing you into things in the environment around you. It just seems like such a step backwards.

3.) And the Wii, as neat as it is, has a LONG ways to go to win me over. There are no titles on the horizon yet announced that are breaking ground the way Pikmin and AC did last gen. Even the whole interface, as cool as it is with the Mii's and all that, I'm really starting to fear nintendo is going to go the path of ultra-cheap games. They are already vibing off their "Age" series with the "Training Age" aspect of Wii sports. If Wii wins with this cheap-assed aesthetic, I will not be pleased. I'm for it to an extent with the handhelds, and I love game design, but it looks like Nintendo thinks they've found a way to milk the masses with cheap games. I parted way with Nintendo back on N64 in favor of Playstation, and it could happen again depending on the path the Wii takes. I think it's biggest saving grace might be if it becomes the de-facto console due to mass-market success and we get some ambitious third-party titles on it. Nintendo has gotten innovation down; I'm done harping about that. What I want to see is some AMBITION.

But right now, all three have major flaws. Xbox360 really really does have a narrow focus in its genres, and tends towards shallow games geared toward online. Ps3 just isn't ready for primetime yet in terms of software vs price, and Wii. . . .

Damn, to me, it's kinda raining on all the consoles right now.

Renzatic Gear

11-27-2006, 10:36 PM

Truth be told, if it wern't for Zelda, I wouldn't want a Wii as bad as I do. Rayman, Excite Truck, and the rest look okay, but they're not exactly must own titles. They're games you pick up for $20 as a diversion while you wait for better games.

The Xbox360 and PS3 are about the same. There are a few great games for the 360, but not enough to justify the $400 entry fee yet. Everything else I can get for the PC. And the PS3? Resistance might be fun and all, but there's no way in hell I'm paying $650+ for it.

When you break it all down, all 3 consoles had pretty disappointing launches. But then again most launches are. Think about the PS2. You had a snowboarding game, some game where you played with fireworks, and Armored Core. The Xbox? Halo. Gamecube? Luigi's Mansion. The Wii, PS3, and 360 are the same. I don't see any reason why I should wait a day or two out in the cold to get one of these machines when I can just walk in and grab one a year later with 3-4 good games in tow.

I am gonna be a hypocrite here, because the Wii already has Zelda, with Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid just around the corner. If I wern't such a brownie hound Nintendo fanboy, I'd probably wait til the system had at least 6 good games before I snatched one off the shelf.

Mochan

11-28-2006, 12:47 AM

I hear ya guys, I'm pretty much in the same boat, though this wasn't unexpected. I waited about 2 years before I got a PS2, I see a similar scenario this gen, though it looks like I might pick up a Wii a bit earlier (maybe a year in).

Funny how it works; I too am not all too happy with the launches of these 3 consoles. Admittedly the 360 is the rosiest smelling of the bunch but that's to be expected as they have a year's headstart. But it's kind of pathetic how disappointing the 360 still is despite having a year's head start.

Well I can wait until the 3 consoles get their act together (though at this point my eyes are on the Wii and PS3, in that order) since I fully intend to enjoy gaming on my PC for another year or two, no upgrades should be required yet and I got a ton of stuff to work on. Call of Juarez, for being a simple shooter, is ending up quite fun, far far more than Prey was, and the framerate is pretty smooth (though could be smoother -- I'm pushing about 40fps in the big outdoors) with the works turned on at 1280x1024. This game is pretty awesome, I expect a 360 port sooner or later (as it was originally supposed to come out on the box) and you guys should enjoy this one (the quick aim aspect of the reverend should translate nice; you have 2 analog sticks one for each gun, should translate fairly well for the console setup). The graphics aren't UE3-advanced but are still very nice to look at. Should be a blast.

ilnadmy

11-28-2006, 01:47 AM

Mochan

11-28-2006, 05:25 AM

The catching up is where it's at. I haven't even finished a game in Rome Total War, and Medieval 2 is already upon us. Not yet done with Stronghold Legends, GRAW and Condemned, still working on Gothic 3 but have NWN2 queued up, and playing Call of Juarez alongside Gothic 3.

NEO-360

11-28-2006, 07:11 AM

For me, as I've said before, the 360 looks more attractive than the other two consoles, but I know if I buy it I'm going to regret it down the line. The only real must-have game for me on that console is Gears. Oblivion I'm playing on my PC and Halo...meh. 1 and 2 sucked major hiney, and I don't see this one being any different. Single player level design is physically painful, and multiplayer is fun but I don't see myself paying an annual fee just to be allowed to play online.

As far as I'm concerned, PS3 has the greatest potential. All you have to do is look at the list of games being released over the next year. If I can get my hands on a PS3, I probably would. I would only get Resistance, and maybe Vegas when it's released (I'd normally get it for PC, but with only 1 game on the PS3 I wouldn't mind getting some diversity). Splinter Cell: Double Agent was an option, until I bought it for the Xbox for $40 (started playing it yesterday, seems fun...although graphics were kinda jarring compared to next-gen :shocked:). I'd also like a PS3 to play FFXII and God of War 2, since I sold my PS2 and did not think it through beforehand...

As far as Wii, I was really psyched after E3, but now that it's launched it just seems...meh. I'll pick it up sooner or later, but it's more likely to be the latter.

Again, PC gaming is where it's at, and I've got a LOT of gaming to catch up on, so I'll be busy for a while. :D

In all I concur with Gadfly, last gen is better than this gen for now.

Halo 1 & 2 in your humble opinion sucked ass?:rolleyes: You must not like like FPS's to say such refuge. Halo is still one of the very elite FPS's on any PC or console today. Not to mention Halo 2 is about 3 years old and just last month at least 24,528 hardcore gamers were playing it online. I cant wait to see if Resistance for the PS3 will produce those kind of numbers since you can get up to 40 online at one time.

Plus you claim that the PS3 has the biggest amount of potential based on the games? :confused: All of the consoles has tons of potential.The Wii, the 360, and the PS3.

Considering that most of the games thats going to be on the PS3 are also going to be on the 360 why would you even go there? Would you be buying the PS3 simply because of what all it can do outside of being a videogame console perhaps? Because to be honest the PS2 has a better game line up for the next 4-5 months than the PS3 does. I rather buy the 360 before even thinking about looking towards a PS3.

With games like Assassin's Creed,GTA,and Resident Evil all coming to the 360 why buy a PS3? MGS4 is rumored to be also coming to the 360 as well. So that leaves Devil May Cry 4 starring Nero. Which wont be seen until Winter 2007. And God Of War 3 wont even be a mention until about 2008. So IMO the 360 is the better buy for now. PS3 will be something to talk about this time come next year.

Besides if you want to talk about PC gaming go right ahead. Thats why there is a PC game forum. But then again I though Ken Kutaragi said that the PS3 isnt a game console its a computer right? You should feel right at home with it then. :rolleyes:

DrunkenThumbmaster

11-28-2006, 07:27 AM

Gadfly2317

11-28-2006, 07:35 AM

The catching up is where it's at.

For sure--catching up here at the end is what's ended up really making these launches so bad for me. Which is a good thing.

Since I got the Wii now almost entirely just for Zelda, I'm sure over the next 2-3 months there'll be some other stuff I pick up for it, but mostly, I'm really enjoying SotC on Ps2 so much that I'm GLAD the Component cable won't be here for a bit (I won't play Zelda without it.)

And there's a lot of other Ps2 games I will be playing--acorns that have gotten saved up over the last couple years--it's really helping me avoid the hype and not buy crap I might otherwise be tempted to buy because they're the only titles available for my new toy.

Gamecube? Luigi's Mansion. Despite being short, Luigi's Mansion was pretty cool. . . but I didn't know that until about a year after launch. To me, GC launch was WAY better than the Wii launch, and it wasn't about the Luigi.

Rogue Squadron was a killer app, and was a big graphical jump over the previous gen; and of course, the big must-own launch title was Super Smash Bros, and Pikmin came just shortly after the console did. And even Wave Race--despite being the GC's "Excite Truck". . . despite its weaknesses, it was the coolest looking water/wave physics I'd ever seen.

Add into that there were some fun, well done third party ports from Ps2 ready at Gamecube's launch (Tony Hawk, SSX, Smugglers Run II, Time Splitters 2) . . .I enjoyed the hell out of all those games on their own merits, not just because they were launch titles. Yeah, the Wii launch is WEAK WEAK WEAK; the ONLY saving grace is they reworked Zelda into 16:9 progressive with tweaked controls, otherwise this launch would have been as bad as Ps2's.

But then, Ps2 went on to rule the world. So, weakest hardware, weakest launch. . . that was what DS was too. So in the long run the Wii's crappy start may not mean much.

NEO-360

11-28-2006, 07:35 AM

Do you guys even play games? Or do you just come on line an ***** moan. The xbox had a helluva a launch. Halo, DOA3, Project Gotham, Oddworld, NFL Fever (the one year it was good) Amped to this day the best Simulation snowboarder ever (probably the only one) SSX tricky (ok port) They had a bunch of great games.

And even though I didn't get a 360 at day 1 it had COD2, Condemened, Project Gotham 3, a week or so later DOA4 NFS Most wanted (and this was truly a next gen version not just a HI Def version like something like Gun. Plus it was the best NFS since Hot Pursuit 2 (PS2). And there was Ridge Racer 6 (since RR has all of a sudden become a hot game :rolleyes: ) The PS3 has 3 exlusive games 3!! And only 1 just ONE! Is good come on now. This is by far the worst launch ever!!

Good post DrunkenThumbmaster. :thumbsup:

IMO The Dreamcast had one of the best launches ever for any console. The rest? Pro and cons all over the place. The Xbox's launch and the PS2's launch wasnt the best but certainly was far from the worst. The 360 and the PS3's? We've all seen alot better over the years. But thats just life in the videogame industry.:(

DrunkenThumbmaster

11-28-2006, 07:41 AM

Good post DrunkenThumbmaster. :thumbsup:

IMO The Dreamcast had one of the best launches ever for any console. The rest? Pro and cons all over the place. The Xbox's launch and the PS2's launch wasnt the best but certainly was far from the worst. The 360 and the PS3's? We've all seen alot better over the years. But thats just life in the videogame industry.:(

The DC launch was the best ever. In fact that was the only time I was ever truly blown away at launch. I mean I swear to god the graphics at that point in time were just amazine. Especially the advancement in animations. It seemed like every time I played NFL2k and Soul Caliber I saw new animations. And playing the early level in sonic where the killer whale chased you and was tearing up the dock absolutely dropped my jaw!

God I love the DC:cryin:

ilnadmy

11-28-2006, 07:54 AM

A combination of me sitting at this desk for the past 10 hours, a database calculation being run by Excel in the background right now which should take a few minutes, aching hunger pangs (ah, the life of an intern), and a sadistic pleasure derived from watching you repeatedly shoot yourself in the foot compel me to respond to your post, Neo...

Halo 1 & 2 in your humble opinion sucked ass? You must not like like FPS's to say such refuge.

Refuse.

Halo is still one of the very elite FPS's on any PC or console today.

Have you PLAYED the Library level? I would derive more pleasure from ramming a nail through my penis than playing through that level again. Definitively the WORST level in modern gaming history, and a benchmark by which you can judge the level design in the rest of the game (Halo 2 is slightly better. But only slightly).

Now before going to the foot-shooting, let me just deal with this first:

With games like Assassin's Creed,GTA,and Resident Evil all coming to the 360 why buy a PS3? MGS4 is rumored to be also coming to the 360 as well.

Oh wow. It's rumored to be coming to 360, huh? And where, perchance, would these rumors be? Linky linky please.

And now, to the main event.

Plus you claim that the PS3 has the biggest amount of potential based on the games? All of the consoles has tons of potential.The Wii, the 360, and the PS3.

Considering that most of the games thats going to be on the PS3 are also going to be on the 360 why would you even go there?

As you can see, here Neo is setting up his argument to prove that the PS3 does not have more potential in the future than the 360. A commendable strategy. But can he pull it off? Let's take a look...

Because to be honest the PS2 has a better game line up for the next 4-5 months than the PS3 does.

Ooh...dropped the ball there by talking about how the PS3 is bad in the present instead of dealing with its future potential. Still, nothing he can't remedy. Moving on...

So that leaves Devil May Cry 4 starring Nero. Which wont be seen until Winter 2007. And God Of War 3 wont even be a mention until about 2008. So IMO the 360 is the better buy for now. PS3 will be something to talk about this time come next year.

Oh no.

Neo Neo Neo...

You were doing so well there for a second. Seems in the time it took you to go to www.thesaurus.com you forgot the premise of your argument! No matter, better luck next time chum! Perhaps you'll learn from this mistake and allow someone else to demolish your argument instead!

No hard feelings. Sportsmanlike conduct is gentlemanly conduct, as they probably say somewhere. :D

CrackMAsTerMiKe

11-28-2006, 08:45 AM

Huh ... gone for a few days and already my sig is mentioned <img src="http://forums.videogamereview.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif">

About the reviews :

<table width=600 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0><tr><td>Resistance: Fall of Man</td><td>89</td></tr><tr><td>Call of Duty 3</td><td>83</td></tr><tr><td>Marvel Ultimate Alliance</td><td>86</td></tr><tr><td>NBA 2k7</td><td>82</td></tr><tr><td>Need for Speed: Carbon</td><td>82</td></tr><tr><td>NHL 2k7</td><td>80</td></tr><tr><td>Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07</td><td>82</td></tr></table>

That's 50% of PS3 launch games scoring over 80% against the 360's 42% ! Scoring a PS3 is the prob, not the system or games.

And how many of those games are on 360? And how many of those are rated HIGHER on 360? next

Mochan

11-28-2006, 01:32 PM

For sure--catching up here at the end is what's ended up really making these launches so bad for me. Which is a good thing.

Since I got the Wii now almost entirely just for Zelda, I'm sure over the next 2-3 months there'll be some other stuff I pick up for it, but mostly, I'm really enjoying SotC on Ps2 so much that I'm GLAD the Component cable won't be here for a bit (I won't play Zelda without it.)

And there's a lot of other Ps2 games I will be playing--acorns that have gotten saved up over the last couple years--it's really helping me avoid the hype and not buy crap I might otherwise be tempted to buy because they're the only titles available for my new toy.

Indeed. Heck, I even have catching up to do on the PS2. Valkyrie Profile 2!!! Awesome game, still in the beginning chapters and shelved while playing Gothic 3. But it is a keeper. Also waiting on FF12 and Inukami. Then there's GOW2 coming. This gen ain't quite over and there's no real compelling reason to get a nextgen machine just yet, especially not with the PC offering the must play games on the 360, and its own games of the same caliber.

Halo 1 & 2 in your humble opinion sucked ass? You must not like like FPS's to say such refuge. Halo is still one of the very elite FPS's on any PC or console today. Not to mention Halo 2 is about 3 years old and just last month at least 24,528 hardcore gamers were playing it online.

Counterstrike is like a decade old and there are still people playing it. Ghost Recon 1 is about 7 years old, still has players online avidly hunting each other to death. Halo, only like 5 years old, is already a dead duck on both PC and consoles. So much for being elite.

Considering that most of the games thats going to be on the PS3 are also going to be on the 360 why would you even go there?

Most of the games on the 360 are going to be on the PC. Why would you even go there?

Now back to Halo, yes Halo was meh. Here's what I find funny about XBots: Xbots just don't admit the games on their system are bad. I'm a PC gamer and I called both Half Life games a turkey despite critical acclaim (and before 2 came out on XBox). I dissed on Unreal, I also whined about Neverwinter Nights, Planescape Torment, Combat Mission and other practically universally acclaimed games. On the PS2, I hated on Resident Evil 4 (maybe not a good example as this was a GC game first), was not enamored of Castlevania LOI, ratted on Contra, showed extreme distates for Xenosaga, and so on.

But name one XBot who hated on Halo, it seems impossible.

theWacoKid

11-28-2006, 01:48 PM

Now back to Halo, yes Halo was meh. Here's what I find funny about XBots: Xbots just don't admit the games on their system are bad. I'm a PC gamer and I called both Half Life games a turkey despite critical acclaim (and before 2 came out on XBox). I dissed on Unreal, I also whined about Neverwinter Nights, Planescape Torment, Combat Mission and other practically universally acclaimed games. On the PS2, I hated on Resident Evil 4 (maybe not a good example as this was a GC game first), was not enamored of Castlevania LOI, ratted on Contra, showed extreme distates for Xenosaga, and so on.

But name one XBot who hated on Halo, it seems impossible.

The problem is obvious, your taste in games sucks!

Dancer O_o

11-28-2006, 01:55 PM

The DC launch was the best ever. In fact that was the only time I was ever truly blown away at launch. I mean I swear to god the graphics at that point in time were just amazine. Especially the advancement in animations. It seemed like every time I played NFL2k and Soul Caliber I saw new animations. And playing the early level in sonic where the killer whale chased you and was tearing up the dock absolutely dropped my jaw!

God I love the DC:cryin:

I still play my black sports DC quite often. There are a boatload of European and Japanese games made for the DC that are worth getting off Ebay or wherever you can if you have an Import Enabler. In fact, they still to this day make DC games in Japan (top down shooters and such).

:thumbsup: DC did have a good launch.

Cuddly Knife

11-28-2006, 01:57 PM

Where do the Milk-Drinkers go when it rains?
I'm guessing they never left, since Ocelot has given us some solid impressions of his systems, as for VGV, strange how he pops up only when his name is mentioned.

And Word was on ten minutes ago from the time of this post, but he didn't even say hello. That's not nice.

NEO-360

11-28-2006, 04:58 PM

Counterstrike is like a decade old and there are still people playing it. Ghost Recon 1 is about 7 years old, still has players online avidly hunting each other to death. Halo, only like 5 years old, is already a dead duck on both PC and consoles. So much for being elite.
Most of the games on the 360 are going to be on the PC. Why would you even go there?

Now back to Halo, yes Halo was meh. Here's what I find funny about XBots: Xbots just don't admit the games on their system are bad. I'm a PC gamer and I called both Half Life games a turkey despite critical acclaim (and before 2 came out on XBox). I dissed on Unreal, I also whined about Neverwinter Nights, Planescape Torment, Combat Mission and other practically universally acclaimed games. On the PS2, I hated on Resident Evil 4 (maybe not a good example as this was a GC game first), was not enamored of Castlevania LOI, ratted on Contra, showed extreme distates for Xenosaga, and so on.

But name one XBot who hated on Halo, it seems impossible.

First off, I said Halo 2 didnt I? Yep. Now if you do your homework you'll see that the number I posted on how many gamers were online playing Halo 2 a month ago is accurate. Playing Halo 1 is a dead duck? Said who you? As long as a game has great multiplayer action the replay value can last a long time. Just like Counterstrike.

Second of all, so what most games thats going to be on the 360 is going to be on the PC game front? We are talking about console gaming arent we? Yep. So if you want to buy a certain game for the PC then do so. However I prefer console gaming instead. To each his/ her own.

And third, every console has good games and bad ones. Even on the Xbox. I've had one since day one. And I can honestly say this is the best console I've ever owned. From a technical standpoint as well as from a software standpoint. You even hated RE4 on the PS2? I even liked that game. What you've been smoking lad?

Besides if you want to talk about games like Contra and Castlevania lets go back to where those games began before they were franchises:On the NES back in the day. Anytime you're ready.:)

PapaSmurf

11-28-2006, 05:47 PM

ilnadmy

11-28-2006, 10:55 PM

Yeah I also hated the Half Life games. Part 2 especially...you went through level after level after level without so much as a half-assed explanation as to why you're going through all this bull****. Just turned it off once I got to the city that was a trap set up by that shotgun-wielding reverend. Was not worth my time.

As for DC, I still have fond memories of that console. House of the Dead 2 (or was it 3?), and especially Blue Stinger. Oh man, I wanted to buy a DC just to get Blue Stinger. Glad I didn't buy the console though since it died so soon, but damn I was really close to buying it at the time.

Mochan

11-28-2006, 11:55 PM

Besides if you want to talk about games like Contra and Castlevania lets go back to where those games began before they were franchises:On the NES back in the day. Anytime you're ready.

What would we talk about regarding them, though? Not SysWars fodder but I enjoyed those games.... on the FamiCom. NES sucks! HAHAHAHA!!!!

Regarding RE4.... well I have to control a Third Person Shooter with a thumbstick. That's usually enough for me not to like a game.

NEO-360

11-29-2006, 08:27 AM

What would we talk about regarding them, though? Not SysWars fodder but I enjoyed those games.... on the FamiCom. NES sucks! HAHAHAHA!!!!

Regarding RE4.... well I have to control a Third Person Shooter with a thumbstick. That's usually enough for me not to like a game.

NES sucks? Yeah right.:rolleyes: You must've not been around during that era. Thats why you're hating on it with such ignorance. Plus RE4 was a great game. Even though looking at it from an over the shoulder point of view did take some getting used to.

But once you did it was cool. Hell, if you are planning to buy Metal Gear Solid 4 for the PS3 you better get used to it because Snake is going to have an over the shoulder view as well during gun exchanges.

NEO-360

11-29-2006, 08:32 AM

Yea NEO just throw the PC out of all your arguements and not count it as a gaming system. Funny thing about that is, if there were no PC's we'd all have XBOX's, so every PC gamer here is one less xbox sold. Tell me that doesn't related to console gaming. In fact it usually equals into a PC/PS3 or Wii combo.

You can't not have PC in an arguement because for every single PC gamer on this board that's the probably the number 1 or 2 reason not to get an Xbox. There are some people who even if they didn't have a PC would stick with Sony though because of their tastes in games. For example I like Tokyo Xtreme Racer so screw the xbox!

No one is saying the PC gaming isnt important. But isnt this forum about console gaming? Yep. Isnt there a PC gaming forum around VGR? Yep. So why keep bringing up games on the PC when the PS2, the Xbox, the Xbox 360, The Wii,and the PS3 is truly a hell of alot more interesting to talk about in System Wars?

Everybody knows that there are alot of PC gamers out there. But to be honest thats why we have a PC forum for guys like you to express how great those games are. Other than that nobody is throwing out the PC in discussions. Its just kinda you know:Boring.:D

Cuddly Knife

11-29-2006, 08:57 AM

Isn't the Famicom really the NES?

And I agree with NEO on the topic of PC always being thrown into console arguments.
It's always the PC guys that do that, too. You never see a console player who plays PC games start up why the PC is better. If it was going to be like the R-t-R(or Suicide?) post in PC General put in SW, then that would be fine, because it's a thread designed for PC vs console. I personally don't care one way or another, because I'm console-exclusive, and since I know pretty much nothing on the PC side, I like to sit that topic out(although I do enjoy reading what you guys have to say). You guys surely can understand that we get annoyed when we want to talk about Live vs PSOnline, and you guys instantly bring up PC is better because it's free+.

I just wish the attacks were more focused, that's all.

But like I said earlier, I really don't care, because I never reply or comment on those posts.

Mochan

11-29-2006, 09:44 AM

Isn't the Famicom really the NES?

Indeed, the Famicom is the NES. I guess that little bit of humor went over some people's heads, like Neo here. ;P Someone who had more knowledge of the era wouldn't have reacted the way you did.

But isnt this forum about console gaming? Yep. So why keep bringing up games on the PC when the PS2, the Xbox, the Xbox 360, The Wii,and the PS3 is truly a hell of alot more interesting to talk about in System Wars?

This forum is not about console gaming. It's about System Wars. The PC is a viable System to talk about in System Wars. There's a dedicated PC forum, yes. There's also a dedicated PS3 forum, Xbox forum, etc. If you think the PC is uninteresting, then the same argument can apply to the Xbox, and I can tell you to get off the Sys Wars board and stay in your Xbox forum.

Like I said, Xbots are afraid of the PC since it owns their Xbox, so they try to downplay it and even "disqualify" it from being discussed. As can be seen in this thread. Too bad but the PC is a real system.

NEO-360

11-29-2006, 11:19 AM

Indeed, the Famicom is the NES. I guess that little bit of humor went over some people's heads, like Neo here. ;P Someone who had more knowledge of the era wouldn't have reacted the way you did.
This forum is not about console gaming. It's about System Wars. The PC is a viable System to talk about in System Wars. There's a dedicated PC forum, yes. There's also a dedicated PS3 forum, Xbox forum, etc. If you think the PC is uninteresting, then the same argument can apply to the Xbox, and I can tell you to get off the Sys Wars board and stay in your Xbox forum.

Like I said, Xbots are afraid of the PC since it owns their Xbox, so they try to downplay it and even "disqualify" it from being discussed. As can be seen in this thread. Too bad but the PC is a real system.

Like I didnt know that the Famicom was the japenese name for the NES. Yeah right. Anyway you are right this forum is about systems. Systems of all kinds. And yes the PC is in fact a system.

However System Wars was built talking about console gaming and very little talk about PC gaming. Xbots arent afraid of the PC. Its called the PC is simply a different stage of gaming that truly is boring to talk about compared to talking about the next gen console war. But you dont see alot of us coming to the PC forum talking about the Xbox 360 or the PS3 do ya? Nope.

The PC was the beginning of it all. Granted. But most of us around here thats been around for the last 5-6 years prefer to talk more about console gaming. To each his/ her own. PC gaming talk around here isnt bad it just plain boring as hell compared to console gaming. But you already know that. If you didnt you wouldnt keep bringing this issue up.:cryin:

All forums are specifically for one thing. Indeed. System Wars is about the pros, cons,and issues of the videogame world mainly the console wars. PC gaming isnt totally excluded from System Wars it just doesnt make really interesting topics when compared to anything else. Thats all.:)

NEO-360

11-29-2006, 11:21 AM

Good post Cuddy Knife.

theWacoKid

11-29-2006, 01:09 PM

Like I said, Xbots are afraid of the PC since it owns their Xbox, so they try to downplay it and even "disqualify" it from being discussed. As can be seen in this thread. Too bad but the PC is a real system.

You're a pc nazi. It isn't a real system for millions of console owners and hasn't been for years, get over it. I haven't been afraid of the pc, because I don't give two sh#@s about gaming on one. Ånd when I do the occassional game on my pc its with a genre like RTS which has little to no representation on console.

Some of the crap that winds up selling big on the pc boggles the mind. How did simplistic garbage like Diablo ever get big.

Also, anytime you can link up to a chart which shows that 90% of xbox games derive from the pc, I'd LOVE to see that chart. You did say 90%, didn't you? How about backing up some of the retarded twaddle you pass off as posting. And oh, btw, console games that go to the pc, like Halo and Halo 2 don't count. Those are console games first, spanky.

Mochan

11-29-2006, 01:36 PM

However System Wars was built talking about console gaming and very little talk about PC gaming. Xbots arent afraid of the PC. Its called the PC is simply a different stage of gaming that truly is boring to talk about compared to talking about the next gen console war.

Only because each time it is brought up, it lessens the position of your next gen console. If the PC weren't an issue, then you shouldn't be whining about it. Can't take the heat? Step out of SysWars and stay in the XBox Forum.

If you find it boring, fine. But that's how the internet is, you don't own the place. If you don't like it, do something about it or ship out. This is interesting for me and I don't have any intention of stopping just to brown nose your ass.

Mochan

11-29-2006, 01:43 PM

You're a pc nazi. It isn't a real system for millions of console owners and hasn't been for years, get over it.

I'm not the nazi, it's you guys who are "the righteous majority" oppressing a minority. Get over it.

Ånd when I do the occassional game on my pc its with a genre like RTS which has little to no representation on console.

I guess it's a real system for you, then. Not only a Nazi, but a hypocrite too!

ilnadmy

11-30-2006, 12:02 AM

It isn't a real system for millions of console owners and hasn't been for years, get over it.

And consoles haven't been a real system for millions of PC owners. What's your point?

Some of the crap that winds up selling big on the pc boggles the mind. How did simplistic garbage like Diablo ever get big.

How did simplistic garbage like Halo ever get big? Talk about overrated.

And oh, btw, console games that go to the pc, like Halo and Halo 2 don't count. Those are console games first, spanky.

Which eventually got ported to the PC. And yet, when PC games like Half Life 2, Call of Duty 2, F.E.A.R., and Oblivion get ported to the 360, all of a sudden it's a viable console for those that don't have PC's? Gimme a break. By your logic, all those games don't count because they were PC games first. Spanky. That means the 360 must really suck if you don't count amazing games like COD2, FEAR, and Oblivion.

What's that? You have Halo? Keep it. We don't want it.

DrunkenThumbmaster

11-30-2006, 08:46 AM

First off I don't like comparing PC to Xbox (or any console) is that the PC isn't a static platform. How can you compare something that always changes. How can you compare something that has no set base to compare it to.

When we are comparing games do you compare them by how they run with Max settings or minium settings? What if Fear runs better on My Xbox than it does better on my PC is this an advantage for the 360? talking game libraries honestly how far back can you go. The PC being an open platform technically libraries goes back into the eighties.

Look PC games and console games are two seperat markets for a reason. Plus with MS new PC gaming initiave I would think most of you PC only gamers would be applauding MS.

Cuddly Knife

11-30-2006, 10:35 AM

And consoles haven't been a real system for millions of PC owners. What's your point?
No, to you PCers on this board it's the XBOX and 360 that haven't been consoles. You guys played NES all the way through to Dreamcast right? Plus PS2 and GCN. But then comes a MS created system that has more PC ports than any other console out at the time and you instantly hate.

You guys talk about the PS3 like it won't have as many PC games as the 360. The reason you didn't see the games that got ported to the XBOX(Thief 3, HL2, Deus Ex 2, Doom 3, and so on) was because the PS2 couldn't hang. Now that the PS3 and 360 are up to the level of PC, you'll see more games from the PC coming over to both systems. Already, there's Oblivion, Half-Life 2, and FEAR, and more coming soon.

VGV

11-30-2006, 10:38 AM

he got it from Hitchikers guide to the galaxy
copy and paste this into google and see what you get :lol:

the answer to life the universe and everything

Man this place is infested with brainless Xbots <img src="http://forums.videogamereview.com/images/smilies/sleep.gif">

Do yourself a favor ...

1. get a list of Xbox 360 Launch games
2. get the scores from gamerankings
3. learn how to calculate percentages

Maybe then you'll make some sense.

Glockstar

11-30-2006, 11:25 AM

Who's brainless? LMAO

Sorry Lemonio, VGVV doesn't get it - he doesn't read or watch anything that isn't a Sony manual or a pre-rendered video of a PS3 game.

VGV

11-30-2006, 11:35 AM

As I was saying ... this place is infested with brainless Xbots. Thanks for making my point once again <img src="http://forums.videogamereview.com/images/smilies/lol.gif">

Glockstar

11-30-2006, 12:03 PM

Hey, tomorrow will be two weeks... you ready to give us the updated GR scores for your PS3 launch titles?

theWacoKid

11-30-2006, 06:25 PM

Which eventually got ported to the PC. And yet, when PC games like Half Life 2, Call of Duty 2, F.E.A.R., and Oblivion get ported to the 360, all of a sudden it's a viable console for those that don't have PC's? Gimme a break. By your logic, all those games don't count because they were PC games first. Spanky. That means the 360 must really suck if you don't count amazing games like COD2, FEAR, and Oblivion.

What's that? You have Halo? Keep it. We don't want it.

Oblivion didn't get ported, neither did COD2. In case you missed it, major clueless, those games both released simultaneously on the pc and 360. Ånd I don't know what point, if any, your incoherent post is supposed to be making. Try thinking before posting, it makes things so much easier for the readers on this forum.

Gadfly2317

12-01-2006, 06:37 AM

Oblivion didn't get ported, neither did COD2. In case you missed it, major clueless, those games both released simultaneously on the pc and 360. Ånd I don't know what point, if any, your incoherent post is supposed to be making. Try thinking before posting, it makes things so much easier for the readers on this forum.

Avoid the substance of what he said by nitpicking his misuse of the word "port." Typical, Waco.

Mochan

12-01-2006, 10:18 AM

Look PC games and console games are two seperat markets for a reason. Plus with MS new PC gaming initiave I would think most of you PC only gamers would be applauding MS.

I would, if they gave me a mouse to play with along with all the genres I am used to seeing on my PC, plus all the other perks like free online, tons of mods, and if I can do this at a cheap price then I'd be all for it. But I can't, so I'm not.

You guys played NES all the way through to Dreamcast right? Plus PS2 and GCN. But then comes a MS created system that has more PC ports than any other console out at the time and you instantly hate.

It's *because* it has almost nothing but PC ports, and ones that play worse to boot, that I don't like it. Why bother? 360 looks like it may be doing better, but it's not quite there *yet*. I am coming at this based on expectations set from the past generation. Can you blame me?

Also take note, the reason isn't the ports, it's getting almost nothing but ports, and bad ports at that.

folken001

12-01-2006, 10:30 AM

I would, if they gave me a mouse to play with along with all the genres I am used to seeing on my PC, plus all the other perks like free online, tons of mods, and if I can do this at a cheap price then I'd be all for it. But I can't, so I'm not.

It's *because* it has almost nothing but PC ports, and ones that play worse to boot, that I don't like it. Why bother? 360 looks like it may be doing better, but it's not quite there *yet*. I am coming at this based on expectations set from the past generation. Can you blame me?

Also take note, the reason isn't the ports, it's getting almost nothing but ports, and bad ports at that.
PC ports had always been a niche genre until Xbox came out. It was one of the main genres for Xbox brand and it still is.

ilnadmy

12-01-2006, 02:29 PM

Call of Duty 2
PC Release Date: October 25, 2005
Xbox 360 Release Date: November 17, 2005

Port.

Oblivion was released on both systems at the same time, so it's not exactly a port. BUT, it was originally conceived as a PC game and later brought to 360, so pretty much same difference.

Oh, and it also makes it easier for people on this forum if you actually respond to arguments made, rather than nitpicking trivial nothings and then beating your chest triumphantly like a retarded ape.

VGV

12-01-2006, 03:00 PM

Hey, tomorrow will be two weeks... you ready to give us the updated GR scores for your PS3 launch titles?

<table width=600 cellpadding=1 cellspacing=0><tr><td colspan=2 valign="middle">The PS3 launch, as far as quality gaming goes according to the critics ... best of all Next-Gen platforms. No ands ifs or buts about that <img src="http://forums.videogamereview.com/images/smilies/biggrin5.gif"></td></tr><tr><td colspan=2> </td></tr><tr><td colspan=2 valign="middle"><hr></td></tr><tr><td colspan=2 valign="middle" align="right"><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b6/PS3Logo.png/250px-PS3Logo.png"><hr></td></tr><tr><td>Resistance : Fall of Man</td><td>89</td></tr><tr><td>Marvel : Ultimate Alliance</td><td>86</td><tr><td>NBA 2K7</td><td>83</td></tr><tr><td>Call of Duty 3</td><td>82</td></tr><tr><td>Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07</td><td>82</td></tr><tr><td>NHL 2K7</td><td>80</td></tr><tr><td>Ridge Racer 7</td><td>79</td></tr><tr><td>Madden NFL 07</td><td>78</td></tr><tr><td>Need for Speed Carbon</td><td>78</td></tr><tr><td>Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom</td><td>60</td></tr><tr><td>Genji : Days of the Blade</td><td>59</td></tr><tr><td>Mobile Suit Gundam</td><td>37</td></tr><tr><td colspan=2 valign="middle"><hr></td></tr><tr><td colspan=2 bgcolor=#cccccc>Playstation 3 Launch Games scoring in the 80-100 range : 50%</td></tr><tr><td colspan=2> </td></tr><tr><td colspan=2 valign="middle"><hr></td></tr><tr><td colspan=2 valign="middle" align="right"><img src="http://www.xbox.com/xweb/lib/images/LogoPrint.jpg"><hr></td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Call of Duty 2</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>90</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Project Gotham Racing 3</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>88</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Need for Speed Most Wanted</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>83</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Condemned: Criminal Origins</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>82</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Perfect Dark Zero</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>80</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Peter Jackson s King Kong</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>80</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Kameo: Elements of Power</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>80</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>NBA 2K6</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>79</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>GUN</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>76</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>NHL 2K6</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>75</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Quake 4</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>75</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Ridge Racer 6</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>75</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Tony Hawk s American Wasteland</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>75</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Amped 3</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>74</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Madden NFL 06 </td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>74</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 06</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>70</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>NBA LIVE 06<td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>65</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>FIFA Soccer 06<td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>61</td></tr><tr><td colspan=2 valign="middle"><hr></td></tr><tr><td colspan=2 bgcolor=#cccccc>Xbox 360 Launch Games scoring in the 80-100 range : 39%</td></tr><tr><td colspan=2> </td></tr><tr><td colspan=2 valign="middle" bgcolor=#FFFFFF><hr></td></tr><tr><td colspan=2 valign="middle" bgcolor=#FFFFFF align="right"><img src="http://d-frag.de/media2/nintendo-wii.png"><hr></td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>95</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Trauma Center: Second Opinion</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>84</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Madden NFL 07</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>83</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Marvel: Ultimate Alliance</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>81</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Rayman Raving Rabbits</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>79</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>78</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>76</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Call of Duty 3</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>75</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Excite Truck</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>74</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>74</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>SpongeBob: Krusty Krab</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>70</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Cars</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>68</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Red Steel</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>66</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>66</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Need for Speed Carbon</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>60</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Avatar: The Last Airbender</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>58</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Monster 4x4 : World Circuit</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>51</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>GT Pro Series</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>48</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>Rapala Tournament Fishing</td><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF>30</td></tr><tr><td colspan=2 valign="middle" bgcolor=#FFFFFF><hr></td></tr><tr><td colspan=2 bgcolor=#cccccc>Wii Launch Games scoring in the 80-100 range : 21%</td></tr></table>

Fivespot

12-01-2006, 03:17 PM

folken001

12-01-2006, 04:09 PM

And what data did you use to put together those numbers VGV?

Thanks for the "brainless" comments to all Xbots by the way. You go ahead and resort to whatever low road you choose rather than posting facts to support your previous arguments. Glock asked fair questions and your retort was even more brainless than the Xbots you were trying to redicule.

WTF is a fair question? How is it anywhere close to fair when glock has been trying to choke a console for its better than average launch?

XBots are brainless. It shows right here in your post. RETARDED.

VGV

12-05-2006, 05:36 AM

And what data did you use to put together those numbers VGV?

Hop on over to Gamerankings.

P.S. Folken's answer says it all <img src="http://forums.videogamereview.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif">

NEO-360

12-05-2006, 06:33 AM

Man this place is infested with brainless Xbots <img src="http://forums.videogamereview.com/images/smilies/sleep.gif">

Do yourself a favor ...

1. get a list of Xbox 360 Launch games
2. get the scores from gamerankings
3. learn how to calculate percentages

Maybe then you'll make some sense.

Xbots and Milk drinkers have the alligences. But nobody here is totally brainless VGV. :p

NEO-360

12-05-2006, 06:36 AM

WTF is a fair question? How is it anywhere close to fair when glock has been trying to choke a console for its better than average launch?

XBots are brainless. It shows right here in your post. RETARDED.

Folken kettle is calling Xbots black huh? Imagine that. Try providing info to justify the things you say once in a while. That would keep you from looking like an idiot. But that would be too much like right. :out:

VGV

12-05-2006, 06:47 AM

Xbots and Milk drinkers have the alligences. But nobody here is totally brainless VGV. :p

Let me rephrase that then ... overly sensitive <img src="http://forums.videogamereview.com/images/smilies/lol.gif">

NEO-360

12-05-2006, 06:58 AM

Let me rephrase that then ... overly sensitive <img src="http://forums.videogamereview.com/images/smilies/lol.gif">

LMAO!!! You are truly a sick man. And thats a compliment not an insult.:devil: