RPGs to look out for

[Mochan]

Okay, let's try to get back on track on what really matters in PC games: RPGs. :)

Okay, so we all know about Oblivion, got tired of closing Oblivion gates and all that, so what's next on the horizon? For starters, I know we have Gothic III, The Witcher, and maybe Stalker if you will classify it as an RPG.

But what else do we have to look out for? I tried to do some research and I found two other possible interesting titles:

Age of Decadence - seems to be an old school isometric turn-based RPG with Roman mythology.

Drakensang - sounds like some Baldur's Gate-esque pausable combat game from those weird Germans.


What else do we have to look forward to? Is there anything else out there right now that we can play? I am so freaking starved for an RPG I can immerse myself in, and sad to say, Oblivion did not quite make the cut and soon got really boring and repetitive (as do all Elder Scrolls games, unfortunately).

Can anyone recommend me anything that's out NOW, or does anyone know any other titles that should be on my radar? To be honest I am quite interested in that Age of Decadence thing. Will we get to see it though? I remember I was looking out for stuff like The Fall: Last days of Gaea (or some such) and other RPGs but it seems I never even saw them.

Thanks

[BaneNWN]

Might want to give beyond divinity a go.I never got to far into it but wasnt such a bad game from what i recall.The only thing im really looking forward to as far as rpg's go is NWN 2.I also have sacred gold need to get back into that other then that the rpg market sucks right now.

[Mochan]

Beyond Divinity I found to be a major disappointment after the excellent Divine Divnity, so I didn't get too far. But good thing you reminded me, I can also look forward to Divine Divnity 2. Hope it comes out soon.

Another interesting thing I picked up on is called Inquisitor. Croatian game, looks a bit old schoolish but should be interesting.

Sacred Gold -- Diablo but not anywhere near as good in terms of combat... I don't like the mana/special ability system. But I appreciate the plot-based and world-exploring theme, something Diablo did not have.

[E.T.]

But what else do we have to look out for? I tried to do some research and I found two other possible interesting titles:

Age of Decadence - seems to be an old school isometric turn-based RPG with Roman mythology.

Drakensang - sounds like some Baldur's Gate-esque pausable combat game from those weird Germans.

Thanks for these two hopefuls Mochan. I've burned out on gaming lately.
[been playing AoW:S.M. everyday for last month till I find myself dreaming of it, lol,....time to move on to something else TBS]

Btw, I appreciate "those weird Germans" for Gothic2, cant wait for G3; and who knows.....maybe Drakensang will turn out to be a good thing.:D

[Mochan]

Funny ET, I just reinstalled AoW SM last night after getting tired of playing Oblivion and GRAW.

I *also* reinstalled Deus Ex. Man, this game is leaps and bounds better to play now that I have an uber PC strong enough to play it the way it was meant to be played! Ridiculously, though, there were STILL parts in the game were my muther****er of a PC choked and stuttered!

Man, it just goes to show that good gameplay and playability is timeless. I played Deus Ex straight and am currently at the lab area in Hongkong. This game immersed me far more than Oblivion did when I first got it, and it's my 2nd playthrough!

Anyway I am looking out for Age of Decadence. Man, the graphics look like crap and it looks like the game may be a little heavy on reading (maybe too heavy) but the game has me interested nonetheless. If it plays like Arcanum (and it was inspired by Arcanum and Fallout allegedly according to the developers) then I should be good to go.

Drakensang definitely looks interesting; the graphics are a lot easier on the eye than Decadence, and it uses the Dark Ages/Baldur's Gate style pause-combat.

The other hopeful is the croatian Inquisitor. The game looks like it may be Diablo-esque in form, but there seems to be more to it than that. More like Prince of Qin or even Divine Divinity. It could also be another dark horse.

[Suicides-by-Steve]

Funny ET, I just reinstalled AoW SM last night after getting tired of playing Oblivion and GRAW.

I *also* reinstalled Deus Ex. Man, this game is leaps and bounds better to play now that I have an uber PC strong enough to play it the way it was meant to be played! Ridiculously, though, there were STILL parts in the game were my muther****er of a PC choked and stuttered!

Man, it just goes to show that good gameplay and playability is timeless. I played Deus Ex straight and am currently at the lab area in Hongkong. This game immersed me far more than Oblivion did when I first got it, and it's my 2nd playthrough!

Anyway I am looking out for Age of Decadence. Man, the graphics look like crap and it looks like the game may be a little heavy on reading (maybe too heavy) but the game has me interested nonetheless. If it plays like Arcanum (and it was inspired by Arcanum and Fallout allegedly according to the developers) then I should be good to go.

Drakensang definitely looks interesting; the graphics are a lot easier on the eye than Decadence, and it uses the Dark Ages/Baldur's Gate style pause-combat.

The other hopeful is the croatian Inquisitor. The game looks like it may be Diablo-esque in form, but there seems to be more to it than that. More like Prince of Qin or even Divine Divinity. It could also be another dark horse.


Dark Messiah! Not really an RPG, but as far as FPS fantasy games go, this should be the ****ing BOMB! I can't wait. Of course I am anticipating NWN2. Hellgate: London is also a must buy for me.

[Renzatic Gear]

Dark Messiah! Not really an RPG, but as far as FPS fantasy games go, this should be the ****ing BOMB! I can't wait.

Seconded! If you've ever felt the need to kick someone off a cliff, or push him into a bed of spikes...or fire...or roll a bunch of heavy barrels and crates on them...or smash his head in with a log...then Dark Messiah is the game for you.

So very, very many ways to kill and maim in that game. And you'll have fun trying each and every one.

[Mochan]

Dark Messiah is that Might and Magic game, right? It's still not out? I thought it would have come out by now. THanks for reminding me.

Also looking to get Hellgate London. It may be Diablo-esque but it sounds like it has the idea right. I'm looking forward to it as well. But man it's sad when I've been looking forward to so many RPGs and most of them aren't out yet!

[Suicides-by-Steve]

Dark Messiah is that Might and Magic game, right? It's still not out? I thought it would have come out by now. THanks for reminding me.

Also looking to get Hellgate London. It may be Diablo-esque but it sounds like it has the idea right. I'm looking forward to it as well. But man it's sad when I've been looking forward to so many RPGs and most of them aren't out yet!

Thing is, they're all coming out in one huge batch. We should be playing these games by years' end. As soon as I buy this Geforce 7800GS card, I'll be ready to go. I'll be buying Titan Quest to boot.

As Renz said, there are so many ways to kill, it's pretty amusing actually.I must of played through the demo 5 or six times... which is rare for me to do. The video of the Cyclops is worth watching to. It's incredible how when you hide under the rock, the Cyclops actually moves the rock out of the way! Heehee!

[Renzatic Gear]

Eh, Titan Quest is decent...fun at first, but it gets boring pretty quick when all you do is hack hack hack hack hack without any challenge whatsoever.

It is damn pretty though.

[Friend_Bear]

What is it with the games lately? Even i've felt kinder in a lull, nothing really groundbreaking has come out, and the games I do want, are still pretty far off from release. I got bored with Titan Quest, I got bored with Oblivion. Right now, the only games on my shopping list are Dark Messiah, Phantasy Star Universe, Gothic 3 and nvn 2 and maybe FFXII for the PS2.

PSU will rock, so far it seems its going to be a hybrid mmo, a cross between Guild Wars and the original Phantasy Star online, you guys should check the main site, it looks pretty decent and by the looks of it, is using the FFXI engine.

The only other game I want but I think its been canned since I can't find any information on it and it seems to have disappeared is Star Trek online.

I still think if TQ had closed servers, it would have been far far better.

[E.T.]

What is it with the games lately?

Lol Friend_Bear, I thought it was only me who felt that way. Ive been thinking that the best PC games have already been made, BUT that's not true, the best are yet to come!


I *also* reinstalled Deus Ex. Man, this game is leaps and bounds better to play now that I have an uber PC strong enough to play it the way it was meant to be played! Ridiculously, though, there were STILL parts in the game were my muther****er of a PC choked and stuttered!
Man, it just goes to show that good gameplay and playability is timeless. I played Deus Ex straight and am currently at the lab area in Hongkong. This game immersed me far more than Oblivion did when I first got it, and it's my 2nd playthrough!

DeusEx is a great game Mochan, fantastic environments for its time. I considered DE as my all time fav game till I got into AoW:S.M. Maybe I'm just getting old, shooters & RPG's just dont interest me like they use to.
[Btw, thanks for posting this thread; I see numerous potentials listed above by all :D]

[Renzatic Gear]

Only Titan Quest disappointed me, and that's just because I was expecting them to do something a little different than the bog standard Diablo affair. If it were at least a little more challenging I would've liked it more, but as it is the only thing you do is mow down enemies to get to the next pretty section...for about 30 hours straight.

Course Oblivion is awesome, even moreso with the mods. As much as I like it though, it still suffers from low difficulty. I wanna feel dread when I go down into a dungeon, instead they're just neat places to explore, with the occasional easy enemy to dispatch on your quest for more loot. Gothic 3, on the other hand, is guarenteed to kick my ass, and will force me to think about what I do before I do it.

Right now though, the portable systems is where it's at for me. The DS has about a ton of fun games I play constantly, and the PSP has started picking up recently too. In fact I'm about to go get Loco Roco, and I'm enjoying the hell out of some Ultimate Ghosts 'n Goblins.

[Friend_Bear]

I have the original Deux Ex installed, in fact I never uninstalled it lol not that i've played it in a while, I just semi got bored with it because I always followed a strict pattern with my enhancements favoring the deadly instant kill melee attacks. I might play again and try something different.

[Mochan]

ET, sacrilege! RPGs are timeless!!! :)

Well, the good ones.

Titan's Quest? What's this? Well whatever it is, I will try it out later when I get home. Shadowmagic is great and all but I wanna play an RPG that is not named Oblivion right now.

BTW -- ET could you email or send me your savefile for Shadow Magic? Or something. I did not finish the campaign on my last playthrough, I dunno where my save is now but I don't feel like trudging through the entire campaign again. Maybe your save file is closer to where I left off or something.

[Suicides-by-Steve]

Only Titan Quest disappointed me, and that's just because I was expecting them to do something a little different than the bog standard Diablo affair. If it were at least a little more challenging I would've liked it more, but as it is the only thing you do is mow down enemies to get to the next pretty section...for about 30 hours straight.


Yeah, but we did the same thing in Dungeon Siege? No? I remember playing that with you guys, and we had a blast!

Oh yeah, all this Shadow Magic talk has reminded me of another game that is on my radar... SHADOWRUN! Damn, I can't believe I forgot that. It's about the best genre of RPG that I have ever played... Orcs and Elves mixed with heavy assualt weapons? Awesome.

[Renzatic Gear]

Yeah, but this game is even easier. In DS we at least had a couple of sections where we had to work together, in TQ we'll storm through it without any problems whatsoever.

[Zod Wallop]

I don't know if you count it as 'new', but I'm patiently waiting for the PC version of Jade Empire.

[DBS]

Divine Divinity 2 later

[DBS]

DS 2 is very good imo...lets give it a shot some night'

[Friend_Bear]

I have DS2, but I can't stand all the clickys to move and fight etc..would be nice to have a better control method.

[Mochan]

Shadowrun? SBS, correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Shadowrun turned into a Counterstrike clone, not an RPG.

[moya]

Try Oblivion with Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul. More enemies, and they're more difficult too. It will pwn you good if you think vanilla Oblivion is too easy.

[Suicides-by-Steve]

Shadowrun? SBS, correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Shadowrun turned into a Counterstrike clone, not an RPG.

Yeah, maybe. It's also only slated for release ATM for the 360. If it's a shooter primarily, I won't even bother.

[E.T.]

ET, sacrilege! RPGs are timeless!!! :)

Well, the good ones.

BTW -- ET could you email or send me your savefile for Shadow Magic? Or something. I did not finish the campaign on my last playthrough, I dunno where my save is now but I don't feel like trudging through the entire campaign again. Maybe your save file is closer to where I left off or something.
I'd be happy to email you a SM file Mochan...however I have only SP map files from: http://aow2.heavengames.com/downloads/lister.php?category=scenarios&rating=top

I use to save an index of all scenarios of the campaign but did an overwrite on this while playing map Dark Hoardes [very challenging SP map!]

There are over 500 downloadable maps for Shadow Magic from link above, some small enough to finish in 50 turns or less & some extra large to play beyond 300 turns!

[If your serious about replaying the campaign, Id be happy to start anew & mail you the scenario file you choose.......It will take a few days though.]

[Mochan]

Well, lemme just ask what happens when you finish the campaign. The reason I want to continue the campaign is I want to know what happens in the story or whatever. Hmm, maybe I'll just play through the entire thing again, hehe.

[Renzatic Gear]

I completely forgot about this one: The Witcher (http://media.pc.ign.com/media/682/682220/imgs_1.html).

This is one to look forward to, now that it has a publisher.

And I hope NWN2 is able to put out some atmospherics like that.

[Mochan]

I'm pretty sure I mentioned The Witcher in this thread somewhere.

[Renzatic Gear]

Yup, right there in your very first post. Must've glanced over it. :blush2:

Looking at it has made me look a bit more deeply into NWN2, and let me tell you...I can't wait to get my hands on it. I probably won't even touch the singleplayer campaign, instead I'll jump into the toolset from the get go.

I'm gonna start drawing up maps and fleshing out a few ideas, and maybe model up a few props in preparation.

[DBS]

Fallout 3 this year? Hellgate London, Mage Knight, oh..**** here:

http://www.rpgdot.com/index.php?hsaction=10055&sid=c1897a0ba69569293e5787c93e550821

Nice complete list of stuff on the way....

[E.T.]

Well, lemme just ask what happens when you finish the campaign. The reason I want to continue the campaign is I want to know what happens in the story or whatever. Hmm, maybe I'll just play through the entire thing again, hehe.

SPOLIER!

Re: the final moments in AoW:S.M., Merlin connects with aprox four other wizards in a final attempt to rid the world of Shadow Demon's & their Lord The ALL Devourer. One by one all the good wizards are wiped out while you, [Merlin] attempt to get a foot hold on the Surfaceworld while being dug in on the Underworld by default. This last map of the campaign titled "The Hive" is most difficult of all scenarios. Generally speaking, youre playing the last man standing left with the challenge of mop up in a good vs evil conclusion [find the special weapon, destroy the forcefield, destroy evil blah blah blah..].
While the ending storyline isn't all that exciting, it does leave open the possibility of a continuing game.....

Generic storyline aside, I hold AoW:S.M. as the best TBS game Ive played to date. Even if you are lukewarm to this type of game, "The Hive" is a must play for first timers to S.M.

[Suicides-by-Steve]

SPOLIER!
Generic storyline aside, I hold AoW:S.M. as the best TBS game Ive played to date. Even if you are lukewarm to this type of game, "The Hive" is a must play for first timers to S.M.

Hmmm, I would have to say my picks are Civilization IV, and then Combat Mission. I would definitely follow those up with AOW. Out of the lot though (AOW series), AOW:SM is the best. I suspect if they don't have a game in development now, they probably never will. As it is AOW:SM is ancient in game development years.

[Mochan]

Merlin? Weren't you Julia in AoW:SM?

Personally I thought AOW was kind of weak until Shadow Magic. AOW1 lacked in city building options and was too restricted by the scenarios of each map. Oh and the graphics were horrid. :)

AOW2 was okay but it was too unrefined, and Shadow Magic fixed most of the issues I had with it.

AOW in general always struck me as a Master of Magic rip-off, AOW1 though was like MoM x Warlords. AOW2 tried to be more MoM-Civ-like, and by extension so was Shadow Magic, but all in all they still felt like MoM ripoffs. Not to say that's a bad thing; on my end MoM and MoO were among my favorite TBS games, maybe even my most favored ones of all time. Hmm, actually my fave TBS game is still probably UFO/XCom.

[Suicides-by-Steve]

Merlin? Weren't you Julia in AoW:SM?

.

I think there was three campaigns in the OC storyline. Julia, then a Dark Elf, and then Merlin. ET will correct me if I'm wrong I'm sure.

[Friend_Bear]

Whatever happened to Mage Knight?

[E.T.]

I think there was three campaigns in the OC storyline. Julia, then a Dark Elf, and then Merlin. ET will correct me if I'm wrong I'm sure.
What I recall about the content of SM campaign is that there are 3 Julia scenarios, 3 Keenen scenarios, 3 Meandor scenarios [Julias bro], 3 O'neron scenarios plus a tutorial & the final challenge "The Hive" scenario. I must be missing something here as the game content indicates 16 scenarios total...

I was thinking of posting a "Thank-You" thread before departing VGR someday, giving credit & appreciation to the faithful regulars of VGR who have steered me towards gaming bliss & my favorites.
For now, I'll say thanks to Mr. Lewis for recommending the most enjoyed & longest played game to date: Shadow Magic!

[Suicides-by-Steve]

What I recall about the content of SM campaign is that there are 3 Julia scenarios, 3 Keenen scenarios, 3 Meandor scenarios [Julias bro], 3 O'neron scenarios plus a tutorial & the final challenge "The Hive" scenario. I must be missing something here as the game content indicates 16 scenarios total...

Yeah, that's it... Isn't the Tutorial 3 "chapters" as well?

Hey, I'm glad I could suggest the game. However the game speaks for itself. It's great. I'm sure you'd have been playing it by now even without my input! ;)

[E.T.]

Hey Mochan, I just blazed through the campaign [sans the final scenario].

Let me know if you still want a file, Ive got the following scenarios save:
[in aprox order played]
[1] Tutorial
[2] Norwood
[3] Horn of Kesh
[4] Draken Oasis
[5] Phobian Empire
[6]Urland Fields
[7]Jungle of Umbura
[8] Eastern Pass
[9] Land of Shadows
[10] Sunbirth Mountains
[11] The Hive

[Mochan]

Hmm, thanks but nevermind, I think I will take my time. My problem these days is I always seem to rush, rush rush and never take the time to sit down and relax. This is bad when I consider this is supposed to be a hobby.

[Friend_Bear]

I re-installed my old Might and Magic 9 and so far, i'm enjoying myself with it even though it has its problems and I was forced to restart the game because I forgot to patch it.

[Renzatic Gear]

Gothic 3 just went Gold. It's official release date is set for October 13th. That means we'll be faced with both it and NWN2 next month.

....I really don't know what I'm gonna do. :cryin:

[Suicides-by-Steve]

Gothic 3 just went Gold. It's official release date is set for October 13th. That means we'll be faced with both it and NWN2 next month.

....I really don't know what I'm gonna do. :cryin:

Wow. Really!? The two to me are like night and day. Gothic isn't even in the same class as NWN. I mean, Gothic is an alright game and all, but the combat and quirky storylines really get to me (not to mention the limited character creation). It's nice to see the graphics however have had a proper overhaul.

I think I got through Gothic 2 about half-way, and then gave up in boredom. Maybe I should install it again, and see if I could finish it off this time around.

[Mochan]

Wow. Really!? The two to me are like night and day. Gothic isn't even in the same class as NWN. I mean, Gothic is an alright game and all, but the combat and quirky storylines really get to me (not to mention the limited character creation). It's nice to see the graphics however have had a proper overhaul.

Ditto... except Gothic is day and NWN is night for me. (take a hint... Never Winter NIGHTs :)

I do agree that Gothic's weaknesess are its combat and character creation/system, but in terms of story I don't think NWN is ahead of the curve. If anything, the very generic and often obnoxious stories and quests in NWN are a lot less appealing. Gothic at least had an interesting premise. The NPCs I also find far more amusing. Though yes this is more on just personal preference.

[Renzatic Gear]

The Gothics have always had a more polished, interesting world to me. Every NPC has a personality, every area you visit has a sense of place and a lived-in feel, and the quests are much cooler.

Character creation never bothered me much, mainly because you build your character by your actions in the game rather than through a stat sheet laid out for you at the beginning. It's kinda like Planescape in that regard.

[Mochan]

Char creation isn't what botheres me either; my real gripes with Gothic have always been combat (always felt clunky to me) and the simplicity of the character system (same issue I had with Arx Fatalis).

[Suicides-by-Steve]

The Gothics have always had a more polished, interesting world to me. Every NPC has a personality, every area you visit has a sense of place and a lived-in feel, and the quests are much cooler.

Character creation never bothered me much, mainly because you build your character by your actions in the game rather than through a stat sheet laid out for you at the beginning. It's kinda like Planescape in that regard.

Yeah, that's exactly what I liked about the AD&D system. The statistical character creation. It was always fun and refreshing for me to gain a level, or acquire an item and see just how greatly the new item, or level makes an impact. In Gothic, I found that leveling up, just allowed you passage through previously exceptionally dangerous areas, simply by gaining better armour and hit points. I suppose though that almost every RPG is victim to this form of "invisible wall".

Points taken and conceded to the fact that in the stock game of NWN, they had bland, uninspired quests... I based my opinions though entirely on the online version mind you ;). People after a while had some pretty creative ways to motivate a character to action, and in many PW servers, personal vendettas and guilds would spring up with hated enemies (PC and NPC) springing up constantly. If you role-played these encounters out properly, and with ethics (not just PK-ing), you'd be in for a treat.

One thing though that NWN had going for it in its' OC and the quests... there was a TON of them... A TON I tell you. Each chapter had roughly 30 or so quests to complete. Play that online with a DM controlling the action, I tell you, it has serious potential. I'm still trying to this day to get DBS to fire it up (and anyone else you wants to join) and run through it with me at the helm. No more fights to the deaths with goblins, or cheesy NPC character conversations. Everything would be done through me and the DM Client. This could make for some interesting RP possibilites... Kill the wrong person, and you could be getting a knife in the back from a hired assassin weeks down the road... You'd never see it coming either... because the faction of the NPC would be set to neutral until the time was right. That was a big thing with me in the OC game, every one who was bad, glowed red... :(

[Friend_Bear]

Earlier today I got the broken world expansion for DS2, and so far, i'm enjoying it alot more, its definately better than the original and the multiplayer side isn't bad either.

[BaneNWN]

Earlier today I got the broken world expansion for DS2, and so far, i'm enjoying it alot more, its definately better than the original and the multiplayer side isn't bad either.

And tommorow you will come on here and say you hate it.

[DBS]

LOL...we could all join up a match of NWN before the new one comes out. Or we still need to do some DS 2 sometime.

[DBS]

let me know if you are around this weekend and we can try it out. I picked up GRAW and it is impressive indeed. I was surprised after trying Lockdown...or Let down.

[Suicides-by-Steve]

let me know if you are around this weekend and we can try it out. I picked up GRAW and it is impressive indeed. I was surprised after trying Lockdown...or Let down.

I'm around all weekend. Just send me an email or PM. I'm too broke at the moment to go out and buy games... I took way too much time off work to bother with games (not to mention my GPU is woefully underpowered ATM).

Yeah, if we could get a couple peeps in to try out the client that would be cool. Also I just installed SWAT 4 again... currently gettting the expansion; we'll see if it allows for MP... Question... what's the secret to killing the intro again? Is it adding -nointromovies or something like that to the shortcut?

I'm trying to find it online, but 10-David is down. Is this permanent, or is there server just down?

[DBS]

been a while...was it in the ini?

[Friend_Bear]

And tommorow you will come on here and say you hate it.

Not yet, I enjoyed the first one but it was a little too easy. DS2 I think pulls no sucker punches, its alot harder in someways but still has the similar gameplay. The only parts that are annoying are quests which have boss monsters which are very deadly and kill your party very easily so you have to respawn and pay gold to get your body back....in someways I think its trying to emulate mmos in that respect.

The only thing I don't understand is that you can quite often kill a red con monster thats 15 - 20 levels higher as long as its a standard foe, but come up against a boss monster or unique monster thats yellow or orange and it will kick your ass several times over..I just started Act II and I remember getting a bit frustrated with the Haku Usurper who had around 6000 hp compared to my average of 300 or so, I was thinking who the hell playtested the game?

I think maybe the original DS fanbois proberly heavily influenced DS2, whilst not all bad I think it lacks alot of fine tuning though. I know fanbois can heavily influence games in development these days, thats why I usually flame them and ***** about them because usually they make the games worse or suck, and unfortuntely the devs listen to them because there the most vocal...

A good example of this is in the revamped Star Trek Online/Perpetual forums, theres a ton of fanbois on there wanting hardcore PVP, I mean its pretty stupid for a federation officer to attack and kill another federation officer...yet alot of jerks on there are pushing it and it makes no sense. Obviously there will be some pvp in the game, especially ship battles but they definately should be careful with it, the pvp element in mmos is a critical issue these days. I think wows method works best (non-pvp server) where as, if you don't attack enemy towns or get flagged somehow, you can't pvp and you also have battlegrounds however unbalanced I remember them. So far, the holodeck in STo is almost definately going to be used for the tutorial and for pvp style matches.

[Mochan]

Has anyone here played Seal of Evil?

[E.T.]

Gothic 3 just went Gold. It's official release date is set for October 13th. That means we'll be faced with both it and NWN2 next month.

What ever happened to the expansion for Gothic 2: Night of the Raven?

Was an english version ever released on separate disc? Perhaps G2 Gold is the only way to play the expansion :confused:

[Friend_Bear]

Has anyone here played Seal of Evil?

Yes, I have it somewhere, never tried it though. My friend in England sent me a copy a while ago for my birthday. I can try and find it lol Alls I know is its a diablo clone rpg.

[Mochan]

Ok I tried it, looks horrible. It also performs really bad for a 2D game on my PC. Stutters during scrolling; probably an issue with its engine per se.

Combat is clunky. I will probably delete it shortly.

[silversparrow]

What ever happened to the expansion for Gothic 2: Night of the Raven?

Was an english version ever released on separate disc? Perhaps G2 Gold is the only way to play the expansion :confused:

Yeah, G2 Gold contains the only official release of Night of the Raven in North America. The pack is cheap, and getting harder to find. Buy it while you can.

[E.T.]

Thanks for reply......anyone know how much gameplay NotR contains?
I already own G2 [& loved it] but wonder if its worth picking up G2 GOLD just to get the expansion?

[Renzatic Gear]

Thanks for reply......anyone know how much gameplay NotR contains?
I already own G2 [& loved it] but wonder if its worth picking up G2 GOLD just to get the expansion?

Most definately. The expansion adds maybe about a 3rd to the overall landsize, but it makes changes all throughout the original game. You'll see quests that wern't there before, new characters to meet, and lots of other neat little touches.

It's only $20. Might as well support Pirhana Bytes and Aspyr by picking up another copy.

[E.T.]

Most definately. The expansion adds maybe about a 3rd to the overall landsize, but it makes changes all throughout the original game. You'll see quests that wern't there before, new characters to meet, and lots of other neat little touches.

It's only $20. Might as well support Pirhana Bytes and Aspyr by picking up another copy.

Thats great gaming news for me, I'll start shopping locally for a copy of G2 Gold [had no idea the expansion impacted the original game....now I'll have to replay it again as well!].

Thanks R.G.

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Well, I've tried the Dark Messiah multiplayer now and i'm not really impressed much by it, granted however, its beta so its expected to have alot of issues which upon launch are fixed might make it better but i'm not optimistic about the mp side, to me, purely a single player game from now one and in the gamespot forums, alot of other people think the sameway.

The MP problems so far.

Hackers - (already noticed a few hackers mostly aimbotters) i'm not suprised in the slightlest since it uses the HL2 engine and because Counterstrike source is one of the most hacked games in instance, i'm guessing its not very hard at all for hax0rs or script kiddies to convert them to DM. (its pretty easy to know if someone is using aimbots)

Clipping errors - many times I would get stuck on scenary and stuff like that, especially in situations where you can't afford to get stuck, or you're trying to jump/climb over something and you aparently can't...

The character classes are way over/underpowered, basically the entire MP seems totally unbalanced to me, its even more unbalanced if players join a game already in-progress and theres plenty of higher level characters in there already. I found the mage to be a really sucky character, high powered but lacks accuracy since most of the spells are slow moving and you can run out of mana far too fast which leaves you staring at your enemy and nothing you can do except run away. Warriors are like sprayers in Gunz, basically just they just wildly swing and can easily kill multiple characters. Priests are perhaps the most deadly characters, healing other characters + rez? if you're fighting against n00bs who don't have a clue and don't know to kill priests on sight first, then your almost definately going to lose the battle and maybe the game.

Certain combos are extremely deadly - perhaps bugs currently but certain spells combined such as brambles and corruption can insta-kill characters which means unless fixed it will get exploited to hell and back.

Load times + lag - they are terrible, its very long load times each time you join a game and in-game lag is very bad, extremely bad during larger battles almost to less than 8 fps on thats on minimum graphic settings and thats with my Rad 9800 pro

I could continue on for hours listing all the problems i've personally found, but maybe you should see for yourselfs? The free beta event is still going on and shouldn't be too hard to get a free key.

[BaneNWN]

Well, I've tried the Dark Messiah multiplayer now and i'm not really impressed much by it, granted however, its beta so its expected to have alot of issues which upon launch are fixed might make it better but i'm not optimistic about the mp side, to me, purely a single player game from now one and in the gamespot forums, alot of other people think the sameway.

The MP problems so far.

Hackers - (already noticed a few hackers mostly aimbotters) i'm not suprised in the slightlest since it uses the HL2 engine and because Counterstrike source is one of the most hacked games in instance, i'm guessing its not very hard at all for hax0rs or script kiddies to convert them to DM. (its pretty easy to know if someone is using aimbots)

Clipping errors - many times I would get stuck on scenary and stuff like that, especially in situations where you can't afford to get stuck, or you're trying to jump/climb over something and you aparently can't...

The character classes are way over/underpowered, basically the entire MP seems totally unbalanced to me, its even more unbalanced if players join a game already in-progress and theres plenty of higher level characters in there already. I found the mage to be a really sucky character, high powered but lacks accuracy since most of the spells are slow moving and you can run out of mana far too fast which leaves you staring at your enemy and nothing you can do except run away. Warriors are like sprayers in Gunz, basically just they just wildly swing and can easily kill multiple characters. Priests are perhaps the most deadly characters, healing other characters + rez? if you're fighting against n00bs who don't have a clue and don't know to kill priests on sight first, then your almost definately going to lose the battle and maybe the game.

Certain combos are extremely deadly - perhaps bugs currently but certain spells combined such as brambles and corruption can insta-kill characters which means unless fixed it will get exploited to hell and back.

Load times + lag - they are terrible, its very long load times each time you join a game and in-game lag is very bad, extremely bad during larger battles almost to less than 8 fps on thats on minimum graphic settings and thats with my Rad 9800 pro

I could continue on for hours listing all the problems i've personally found, but maybe you should see for yourselfs? The free beta event is still going on and shouldn't be too hard to get a free key.
I had no problems at all multi no long loads.By the way FB i think its about time you upgrade your Graph car that 9800 pro doesnt cut it anymore

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I would if I had the $500 to get a decent new one :rolleyes: :cryin: Its fine in game though, just the loading is annoying, up to 2 minutes sometimes. In some of the forums, i've heard people complain that it takes far longer for them, usually 5-10 minutes sometimes.

Maybe its optimised for Nvidia cards at the moment?

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Where are the site admins when you need them?

[BaneNWN]

I would if I had the $500 to get a decent new one :rolleyes: :cryin: Its fine in game though, just the loading is annoying, up to 2 minutes sometimes. In some of the forums, i've heard people complain that it takes far longer for them, usually 5-10 minutes sometimes.

Maybe its optimised for Nvidia cards at the moment? Why would you need 500$ i am pretty sure there isnt an agp card going for 500 anymore.just get something like this its tons better then your 9800 pro and its only 159.99 http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__BFG_Technologies_GeForce_6800_GS_OC_Video_Card, __16229511/skd=1/search=6800+gs+agp+prices

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I have $180 in my wallet right now, unfortuntely thats for NWN2 and Phantasy Star universe, i'm still debating on Dark Messiah at the moment...I like my Rad 9800, its a great card and at the moment I don't see a huge reason to upgrade, the multiplayer mode plays good to great, I can only imagine it might make the loading times less brutal but then again, that might be sheer processing power and ram..

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http://phantasystaruniverse.com/index.php

Its looking really sweet now, I'm almost definately going to pre-order it.