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theWacoKid
03-29-2006, 01:33 PM
Heh, heh, heh.

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/03/24/gdc2006_ps3_no_hdmi/

GDC 2006: Playstation 3 without HDMI
Humphrey Cheung

March 24, 2006 22:14


San Jose (CA) - Last week, Sony announced to launch its Playstation 3 in November and blamed the delay on technical problems such as the ongoing work to finalize Blu-ray's copy protection technology AACS. At GDC we got a glimpse how far the PS3 may be still away from production, as Sony was not able to run the console through HDMI at 1080p resolution.

One of the reasons to buy an Xbox 360 or an upcoming Playstation 3 is the fact that Microsoft and Sony promise the beginning of a high definition gaming era - a new stage for gaming that will bringer higher-quality audio and video to the screen. On 15 March, Sony conceded that it was forced to delay the launch of its contender because a series of technology delays. The console has been touring the country for more than a year - without being actually demonstrated in detail - and it was our expectation that we will see at GDC a version that would come close to a production unit - as Sony will have to start mass-producing the console in late summer.

In fact, Sony had a few consoles on display at GDC, which were demonstrating video and audio demos. But surprisingly, these boxes were showing hardly any of the PS3's expected capability, including a screen feed that was not delivered through the HDMI interface, but through Sony's "AV MULTI OUT" connector,which has S-Video and component analog ports.

Two different PS3 prototypes were used in the demos; one was a slimmer box with dual HDMI outputs, while the other was a PC case with a video card in the back. Both devices were connected to identical Sony model television sets, which had HDMI ports.

All graphics demos were played on the slim boxes, while the audio demos were played on the larger PC-sized boxes. The graphics demo units were connected to the televisions via Sony's AV Multi-Out connector (black cable in photo), which is an analog connector that can split into S-Video or RCA connectors. The two HDMI ports right below the AV Multi-Out port were unused.

Of course, we were interested in why Sony did not run the units with HDMI. There may be an obvious explanation, but we received some surprising answers from Sony's staff. First, we were told that it isn't easy to get a hold of HDMI-equipped TVs. We found this to be very strange, because after all we were at the Sony booth and all the television sets had HDMI inputs. On the second try, we were told that the reason for not using HDMI was that Sony did not have any HDMI cables and that "they are difficult to find". Matt Butrovich, a former intern with Tom's Hardware and who walked the show floor with us, offered the staff to use one of the HDMI cables he actually had in his car and connect the PS3 with the TVs. Sony officials turned down the offer and we were left without seeing the demos in HD.

Somehow we feel that there was another reason for not showing the PS3 with HDMI. In fact, the explanation could be as simple as the PS3's HDMI wasn't compatible with the HDMI spec integrated in the TVs. Recently it was announced that the PS3 will use HDMI 1.3, which will use an expansion of the audio channels and offer Dolby TrueHD as well as DTS-HD. Current TVs generally use HDMI 1.1, which do not support these extensions and create significant audio noise when connected to a HDMI 1.3 device.

In the end, we do not know the real reason of avoiding HDMI in the GDC demonstrations. But it certainly highlighted that Sony has still work to do - not only to finalize the AACS spec, but also to accelerate the availability to HDMI 1.3 and to educate customers that they only can run HD video and audio if they have a HDMI 1.3 capable TV.

You can check the link for pics of the units in question. I love those explanations, hdmi equipped tvs are hard to get hold of, hdmi cables are hard to get hold of. When they were offered the cable, sony turned them down. Hysterical. Oh, yeah, sony has got their act together. Bad enough if you need an hdmi equipped tv, now you have to worry that it's 1.3 compliant. Oh, yeah, this launch is going to go smooth, I can just feel it. The good ship sony continues to spring leaks Ack, ack, ack.

trebor
03-29-2006, 01:43 PM
I guess when you factor in that Sony has forgone DVI and only uses HDMI in all their current HDTV's it makes this especially pathetic - the leading manufacturer of HDMI equipped HDTV's says it's hard to get a hold of HDMI equipped HDTVs and HDMI cables. You just know they have HDMI cables littered everywhere in any of their facilities.

I wonder how LastWord is going to spin this one. :D

Dancer O_o
03-29-2006, 01:57 PM
Heh, heh, heh.

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/03/24/gdc2006_ps3_no_hdmi/



You can check the link for pics of the units in question. I love those explanations, hdmi equipped tvs are hard to get hold of, hdmi cables are hard to get hold of. When they were offered the cable, sony turned them down. Hysterical. Oh, yeah, sony has got their act together. Bad enough if you need an hdmi equipped tv, now you have to worry that it's 1.3 compliant. Oh, yeah, this launch is going to go smooth, I can just feel it. The good ship sony continues to spring leaks Ack, ack, ack.

Slade will just love you for this post. All this is just how Sony works, BS, BS...and then BS some more just for good measure. One of Sonyphiles biggest chestbeaters is about that very subject, if they don't make it work out....then what?

slade
03-29-2006, 02:20 PM
I wonder how LastWord is going to spin this one.

I know how I'd spin it. I would have titled the thread, Sony too cutting edge for its own good. Technology in PS3 so cutting edge that even Sony doesn't have proper cables for it.

trebor
03-29-2006, 02:28 PM
I know how I'd spin it. I would have titled the thread, Sony too cutting edge for its own good. Technology in PS3 so cutting edge that even Sony doesn't have proper cables for it.

Sure - Sony is so cutting edge that not even Sony can handle it.

That's pretty freaking cutting edge no matter how you slice it. :p

slade
03-29-2006, 02:38 PM
The PS3 doesn't catch up with time.
Time has to catch up with the PS3.

Yeah, I have no idea what that meant either.

trebor
03-29-2006, 02:43 PM
There should be a standard warning when booting up the PS3 that states...

"Due to excessive power, prolonged use might rip a hole in the fabric of the space time continuum. Might induce black holes or super novas."

slade
03-29-2006, 02:45 PM
I just know that any day now, we're going to find a massive stockpile of PS3's in Iraq and that will justify the U.S. going to war.

mandark
03-29-2006, 06:27 PM
I just know that any day now, we're going to find a massive stockpile of PS3's in Iraq and that will justify the U.S. going to war.
Hell, I'd go to war with Iraq too if they horde all the PS3's so I can't get one on launch day. Jihad! baby.

BTW, back on topic. Its too bad that my TV and all of HDMI TV compatible owning America will not be able to play our PS3's in our systems when it launches. There's literally millions of us. :rolleyes:

Superior Beatslayer
03-29-2006, 07:47 PM
I know how I'd spin it. I would have titled the thread, Sony too cutting edge for its own good.

Goddamn, hes gone delerious.

joquito
03-29-2006, 08:18 PM
The lies Sony gave were pathetic, but what I don't understand is that the writer implies and all but states that High Definition resolutions were only available through the HDMI output. Either the writer didn't realize that High Definition video can be transmitted via analog component video connections or that Sony is Down-rezing the component video output.

Blu-Ray and HD-DVD players are allowing content providers to down-rez the component video connections, is Sony doing the same with the PS3?

Glockstar
03-29-2006, 10:14 PM
I know how I'd spin it. I would have titled the thread, Sony too cutting edge for its own good. Technology in PS3 so cutting edge that even Sony doesn't have proper cables for it.

Sure - Sony is so cutting edge that not even Sony can handle it.

That's pretty freaking cutting edge no matter how you slice it

That would be funny - if it weren't so sad. Seriously.

I can see where there might have been a mis-communication between the Sony rep and the reporter - in that the Sony guy was just not being totally forthcoming with his details (while saying that they don't have any HDMI-compatible tv's, he meant to say that the ones they had weren't specifically compatible with the PS3's HDMI output; and/or while they could get some HDMI cables, they would not be of the latest standard required)... but what I don't understand is how Sony could be so short-sighted and so out-of-sync with itself!

Like someone pointed out in another thread, Sony produces every piece of hardware required for this setup: the game system, the tv, the surround-sound receiver, etc... So how could they not be ready for this?! (And put an emphasis on the "they".) There are Samsung tv's that are perfectly married to Microsoft's Xbox 360 (with native resolution of 720p and whatnot)... you're telling me that Sony doesn't have anything likewise for it's own PS3?!

slade
03-31-2006, 08:28 AM
http://www.hothardware.com/default.aspx#news1789
http://www.hothardware.com/newsimages/item1789/big_SDK_Back2.jpg

And with that, we're done.