Thanks for ABANDONING the Xbox MS!!!

[Tappy_Tibbons]

TIME FOR TAPPY TO BABEL


MS claims 80 new Xbox games by summer time...then what? A lot of "more of the sameness" on the 360?!

The next gen appears to be a repeat of this gen. No good FPS on PS3 (better change the location of those analog sticks!), no good quirky games on XB360.

Believe it or not, I barely play my Xbox except for Halo 2 online and occasionally Half Life 2 single player right now...I've got 4 PS2 games...

Guitar Hero - the original converter, best music game ever.
Resident Evil 4
Katamari Damacy
MGS 3 Subsistence - My name online is COIFFIO - I will PWN you at TDM with pistols.

And I feel that they are better than most any games on Xbox. The future is bleak for Xbox and I've a hard time finding reasons to keep my Xbox right now. The 360 vs PS3 debate has pretty much gotten me primed NOT for the 360 anymore that Ive seen that MGS3 Subsistence's online gameplay is SMOOTHER than Halo 2s!! I don't get it....why am I paying to play Halo 2, yet it is laggy, glitchy, and now unfair due to better framerates with 360 consoles vs reg Xboxs?!

[Jupiter_x]

I am still catching up on some must have titles on Xbox, I just got it last year! My Plight is similar to yours though! They killed "Axe-Box" way too soon! Splinter Cell CT and NG? Need I say more? MS had plenty of life in this machine! How is MGS3S online in terms of fun factor? I have doubts about this game but I really enjoyed Halo and Halo2 online!

[T.Tashi]

TIME FOR TAPPY TO BABEL


MS claims 80 new Xbox games by summer time...then what? A lot of "more of the sameness" on the 360?!

The next gen appears to be a repeat of this gen. No good FPS on PS3 (better change the location of those analog sticks!), no good quirky games on XB360.

Believe it or not, I barely play my Xbox except for Halo 2 online and occasionally Half Life 2 single player right now...I've got 4 PS2 games...

Guitar Hero - the original converter, best music game ever.
Resident Evil 4
Katamari Damacy
MGS 3 Subsistence - My name online is COIFFIO - I will PWN you at TDM with pistols.

And I feel that they are better than most any games on Xbox. The future is bleak for Xbox and I've a hard time finding reasons to keep my Xbox right now. The 360 vs PS3 debate has pretty much gotten me primed NOT for the 360 anymore that Ive seen that MGS3 Subsistence's online gameplay is SMOOTHER than Halo 2s!! I don't get it....why am I paying to play Halo 2, yet it is laggy, glitchy, and now unfair due to better framerates with 360 consoles vs reg Xboxs?!

Evil Sony Kitty says come on over to the Sony side.

[Gadfly2317]

Having chided the MS for dumping the Xbox to rush out a new console, still, I would HOPE MS would abandon the Xbox and focus on games for their new system. . .it's exactly how I feel about the Revolution.

The next gen appears to be a repeat of this gen. No good FPS on PS3 (better change the location of those analog sticks!), no good quirky games on XB360. I kinda feel this way too, but it's too early to tell.

Regarding FPS, if the Rev control works the way its supposed to, and with Metroid DS hinting at the direction they are taking the series (true high-speed aiming, free look, weapons upgrades, and shaking up the story formula--you HAVEN't crashed your ship, you DON'T lose all your skills at the beginning, etc etc) it is likely that the Revolution's online version of Metroid is going to be a KILLER FPS.

And all those "good quirky games." Well, I'm hoping the DS hysteria in japan translates over to the Revolution primarily because I want to see those "good quirky games" migrate. And it would make sense for small devs with limited resources, because Ps3 is going to be hella expensive and complicated to develop for, and Revolution is not.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

How is MGS3S online in terms of fun factor? online!

I like it. Very unique. Frustrating at first, and I do not like all of the modes. The sneaking missions take 30 seconds and are kind of a sham, but team death match and regular death match modes are fun. I landed on one server using knives only and it was a riot.

It uses weird strategy...like, the main tactic that is used is the roll to knock someone down, knock them down a few times and they are dizzy, then you can head shot them in cold blood. Rent it and see what you think, I like it a lot though. I'm bored of Halo 2, so it is refreshing for me...nothing else like it. Very rare lag problems and even when there is lag it is hidden very well.

[theWacoKid]

TIME FOR TAPPY TO BABEL


MS claims 80 new Xbox games by summer time...then what? A lot of "more of the sameness" on the 360?!

The next gen appears to be a repeat of this gen. No good FPS on PS3 (better change the location of those analog sticks!), no good quirky games on XB360.

Believe it or not, I barely play my Xbox except for Halo 2 online and occasionally Half Life 2 single player right now...I've got 4 PS2 games...

Guitar Hero - the original converter, best music game ever.
Resident Evil 4
Katamari Damacy
MGS 3 Subsistence - My name online is COIFFIO - I will PWN you at TDM with pistols.

And I feel that they are better than most any games on Xbox. The future is bleak for Xbox and I've a hard time finding reasons to keep my Xbox right now. The 360 vs PS3 debate has pretty much gotten me primed NOT for the 360 anymore that Ive seen that MGS3 Subsistence's online gameplay is SMOOTHER than Halo 2s!! I don't get it....why am I paying to play Halo 2, yet it is laggy, glitchy, and now unfair due to better framerates with 360 consoles vs reg Xboxs?!

Babble is right. What kind of drugs are you on? Halo 2's framerate is definitely not better on the 360 versus on the xbox. Stop sniffing the glue. What's worse is that the 360 version is quite dark, it can be hard to see and on top of that, often I have this wierd mottling effect that obscurs my view. B/C on the 360 leaves a lot to be desired in respect to framerates and also overall brightness issues in the games. I picked up a few xbox games to play on the 360, but I doubt very much that I'll be picking up anything else. I rented HL2, a framerate mess and glitchy as hell with major game ending clipping issues.

Welcome to reality, pal, you got left behind, and you're pissed, sucks to be you. The sales figures tell you everything you need to know. FNR3 for the 360 was the top selling game for february, the xbox version wasn't even in the top 25. The exodus has begun. A number of those xbox games slated for release are going to get axed. The sales numbers for xbox titles are going to be brutal. Wait until you see the march figures for GRAW on the 360 versus GRAW on the xbox. Major OUCH! GRAW on the xbox is stuck to store shelves like its attached there by velcro.

I predicted a while back that Valve releasing HL2 for the xbox was a big mistake, that the game would tank on the xbox, that Gabe Newell was one dumb putz for not making the game for the 360. Well, here's an excerpt from a recent GI article. Score 1 for the kid, 0 for the still clueless Gabe Newell.

GI: Valve did an Xbox version of Half-Life 2. Were you happy with that? Are you thinking about doing more things with consoles or staying on PC?

Newell: That product was the first big retail disappointment we’ve had in the history of the company. So that sort of caused us to scratch our heads a little bit. We’ve never missed our forecast on any significant product before, so the fact that that product under performed by somewhere between the factor of two to three was really surprising to us. We still haven’t figured out what the hell that meant. There’s certainly certain technology investments that we’re interested in, and we’ll continue to make, but right now it’s sort of hard for us to get excited about the Xbox 360s install base, and the PS3 slipping so that’s where we are.

I can't believe this guy actually thought this performance impaired port sans online features would sell on the xbox. They haven't figured it out?! WTF? You toss out a year old stripped port on a system people are dumping left and right for the new kid on the block and you're scratching your head as to why the sales suck. Oh, man, that's just sad.

As for you figuring out after 6 years, that the ps2 has those quirky games the xbox and 360 don't specialize in, wow is all I can say. Talk about being slow on the uptake. Only took 6 years to figure that one out, eh, tappy? Well, at least, you've got a mess of ps2 classic games that you pick up on the cheap. You can build a great library with just $100.

The 360 is what the 360 is. A system that's still centered around shooters, sports, racers and online. There are other games like Kameo and Oblivion, but until the 360 establishes itself as a market leader which may or may not happen, sales will still be primarily driven by those genres. I accepted that when I bought the system. For quirky fare, I'll pick up games on my DS.

[Superior Beatslayer]

that Ive seen that MGS3 Subsistence's online gameplay is SMOOTHER than Halo 2s!! I don't get it....why am I paying to play Halo 2

Well, I'd sure the **** hope that a game (MGS3) thats being released on a next gen console would be smoother than that of a game that was released on Xbox back in 2004, tappy.

[Cuddly Knife]

MGS3 is on the PS2.

[Jupiter_x]

It uses weird strategy...like, the main tactic that is used is the roll to knock someone down, knock them down a few times and they are dizzy, then you can head shot them in cold blood. Rent it and see what you think, I like it a lot though. I'm bored of Halo 2, so it is refreshing for me...nothing else like it. Very rare lag problems and even when there is lag it is hidden very well.
Today 10:15 AM
Yeah, I just picked it up recently. Played the Single player so far, that new camera does wonders! I'll jump online soon!



Well, I'd sure the **** hope that a game (MGS3) thats being released on a next gen console would be smoother than that of a game that was released on Xbox back in 2004, tappy. Uh....well MGS3 is not a next gen game, nor was it created on a next gen sytem, PS2 all the way!



All in all, wasn't Xbox live supposed to be litterally lag free? Wasn't that one of the perks of subscribing over Sony's online snoozefest?

[Superior Beatslayer]

ah well shows how much I care about playstation games I guess............ **** it.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Its kinda funny somebody complaining about "sameness" is touting MetalGear lol! That's assanine!

I don't know where people read that a new console can't have sequels, I guess only MS is held to that standard. Even so, I think the 360 is doing pretty good in the new games category. Kameo and Condemned were two new exclusives available at launch with gameplay unlike other games on the market.

Sounds like complaining to be complaining. Especially to jump onboard the PS2 for Resident Evil(a port) and MetalGear(they seem to do a game every 6 months now)!

Whatever floats your boat. This board has some strange birds.

Hey hows about we all wait for the innovative Revolution so we can play old Sega Genesis games!

[Jupiter_x]

I think the 360 is doing pretty good in the new games category. Kameo and Condemned were two new exclusives available at launch with gameplay unlike other games on the market.
Agreed, Especially Condemned. I admit I'm scoring a PC copy next month but regardless, those as well as some others are some kick ass launch games period!

Sounds like complaining to be complaining. Especially to jump onboard the PS2 for Resident Evil(a port) and MetalGear(they seem to do a game every 6 months now)!
Yeah, it does seem a bit redundant now with Metal Gear popping up all over now (MGA, MGA2 MGS:SE-S, MGS4 vids) But no one can deny that the new player controlled camera just about made Subsistance a perfect score, and it shows. I shelved Snake Eater!

Whatever floats your boat. This board has some strange birds. Why? What's so strange? It's a simple thing called "Preference"


Hey hows about we all wait for the innovative Revolution so we can play old Sega Genesis games! C'mon man, don't be so harsh, the Rev has some killer ideas up it's sleeve. Besides I'm all for graphics and whatnot but I love the classics!

[slade]

Most of us saw the X-box's fate coming from day one. Even MS's pockets aren't bottomless. They do have a better chance this gen though with a more cost effective console. Now, they can try to do to Sony, what Sony did to them. Probably won't succeed though because it still seems like they are reacting to Sony instead of the other way around. In any case: http://gdc.joystiq.com/2006/03/27/is-the-xboxs-retail-future-troubled/

Vivendi Europe VP Adam Roberts, in an interview with GamesIndustry.biz told the site that the "Xbox probably needs help at the moment." Roberts feels that retailers are looking to clear off shelf space, and the original Xbox will be a prime target for removal. He emphasizes that Microsoft should focus on publishing fewer, although higher-quality, titles for its fading console. In his words, "It's not just the responsibility of the retailer... It's a partnership between the publisher, Microsoft and the retailer, not any one of those in isolation."

Roberts used Sony's PlayStation, which has only recently gone out of production, as an example of a consoles who enjoyed a long life after its replacement was launched. Both the PlayStation 2 and GameCube are expected to see some high-profile releases this year, with God of War 2 and Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, respectively, coming out around the time of their next-generation offerings. How can Microsoft retain interest in its original Xbox?

There are two points to be made here. First off, Microsoft may be intentionally letting its original Xbox console go, following a scorched earth policy. We reported last month that the Xbox had actually gone up in price since the launch of the 360, probably as a way to either coerce consumers into next-generation purchases or to cut their losses on a product they view as antiquated. The Xbox did well, but not great, and Microsoft may be trying to put its failures learning experiences behind them and move on with a clean slate.

Our second mentionable point involves Vivendi's stance on "fewer titles with bigger budgets, and ultimately higher potential." While we applaud Vivendi for focusing on higher-quality products--as a publisher of Blizzard titles (World of Warcraft), they have learned to reap the benefits of quality titles--we should note that a big budget does not always equate to a higher-quality game. Katamari Damacy is the now-classic example of a low-budget title that skyrocketed to stardom (and financial success), while there are a number of projects that had large budgets but abysmal sales and reviews...Daikatana? Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness? The list goes on and on.

At this point in a console's cycle, would you consider purchasing an Xbox to catch up on the choice titles of this generation? What about a PlayStation 2 or GameCube?

Yeah, good luck with getting MS to greenlight any first party support for the original X-box. At this point, they would much rather pretend that it never existed. Too bad that backwards compatibility issue is still there though.

[theWacoKid]

Most of us saw the X-box's fate coming from day one. Even MS's pockets aren't bottomless. They do have a better chance this gen though with a more cost effective console. Now, they can try to do to Sony, what Sony did to them. Probably won't succeed though because it still seems like they are reacting to Sony instead of the other way around. In any case: http://gdc.joystiq.com/2006/03/27/is-the-xboxs-retail-future-troubled/

Yeah, good luck with getting MS to greenlight any first party support for the original X-box. At this point, they would much rather pretend that it never existed. Too bad that backwards compatibility issue is still there though.

MS announced an end to first party titles for the xbox last year. Like about 9 months ago. Hello, anybody home? Conker was the last title.

Sony milk drinkers, seriously, get a grip. They would rather pretend it didn't exist? PUleasse! They kicked nintendo's butt in NA and Europe, established themselves as a credible force in videogames, established online console gaming, and launched several successful franchises.

However, the xbox hardware was one big money pit with few profit centers to support it. Too expensive to keep making, bottom line. Unlike sony, MS was unable to rape their customer base in mass quantity by selling 8 meg memory cards where the packaging costs more than the card. Of course sony wants to keep selling the ps2. They could sell the ps2 at cost and still make a fortune selling the mem cards, which in 6 years time, have never increased in capacity. How's that for not delivering value. Gotta love sony. Bend you over backwards and keep ploughing joe consumer for six long years. How do you like the reaming, joe? Thank you sir, may I have another.

Yeah, MS is reacting to sony. Sony doesn't react to MS. Yeah, sure, that's why the playstation online network, sounds like oh, xbox live. That's why sony has to play this game of oneupmanship, whatever you feature, we'll match you and go one better. Who's reacting to whom, here, pal. Sony's the one in the full tilt over-reaction mode. The ps3's everything the 360 is and more. Starting to smack of desparation. Just like their bs talk of launching early doesn't mean anything.

Why is it that it worked for sony, but somehow it won't for MS. Because of sega? C'mon, sega totally screwed up the saturn and the dreamcast tripped over its own feet. The nintendo 64 was the real competition for the ps and it came out ahead by a full year, same for the ps2. The real competition was nintendo and MS. We'll just see how big and bad sony is when they don't have that year plus headstart and year plus lead in software development time. All the doctored high def screenshots in the world won't save their ass if they can't deliver on their hyperbole.

Can't wait to play untold effin legends on the ps3. Yeah, baby, that's what next gen is truly all about, sony style. Ps3 box guy, you rule, dude.

[slade]

Did they announce an end to first party support for X-box? I suppose I must have missed that little blurb among all that, 'X-box will be supported till 2007,' comments.

Why trying to bleed Sony won't work for MS because unlike MS, Sony actually has software that sells. Furthermore, they will bring the cost of the PS3 down over time unlike MS was able to do with the X-box. And no, Sony hasn't reacted at all to MS. They even let the 360 launch go unopposed and did not show one single piece of PS3 media like many were predicting they would do. As for PS3 online, the concept and its utilization existed long before MS brought Live into the equation or don't your remember the PS2 hype. It seems that we are getting now what Sony promised six years ago.

And finally, the games shown for PS3 right now, I-8, Lair, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk look better then similar games shown for 360 a year ago. And while Untold Legends is graphically unimpressive, it will also be running in 1080p. You can't say that about 360 launch titles, many of which didn't even end up coming in at 720p. Yay, for halfway resolutions like 6 hundred something or other p.

[Dancer O_o]

At this point, they would much rather pretend that it never existed. Too bad that backwards compatibility issue is still there though.

...and that gets the "Most moronic statement of the Month" award I should think...eh, yep

[slade]

It's been so long since I've won an award here.

I credit it all to MS and their stupidity.

[trebor]

Did they announce an end to first party support for X-box? I suppose I must have missed that little blurb among all that, 'X-box will be supported till 2007,' comments.

Slade wins. Waco loses. All is right with the world.

[Dancer O_o]

They even let the 360 launch go unopposed and did not show one single piece of PS3 media like many were predicting they would do. As for PS3 online, the concept and its utilization existed long before MS brought Live into the equation or don't your remember the PS2 hype. It seems that we are getting now what Sony promised six years ago.

And finally, the games shown for PS3 right now, I-8, Lair, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk look better then similar games shown for 360 a year ago. And while Untold Legends is graphically unimpressive, it will also be running in 1080p. You can't say that about 360 launch titles, many of which didn't even end up coming in at 720p. Yay, for halfway resolutions like 6 hundred something or other p.

Sony has watched the Xbox Live success with envious eyes and has only recently done something about it, I have doubts that they (Sony) had PS3 online plans (that coincidently seem all to similar to Xbox Live) waaaaay back 6 years ago....you're reaching, a lot. And moving on to the argument of PS3 games looking better that 360 games of a year ago is also a sad argument since the PS3 is not out and you are talking about screen shots only or what you heard from so-and-so at an E3 expo or whatever....you gotta do better than this, I'm embarrassed for you (hangs head). Your arguments are usually better than this. Maybe you know something I don't though?

Warhawk has always been a favorite of mine since the beginning of the PSX, so I hope they do this second incarnation justice, this game has a cultish like following it seems.

The batarang looking controller for the PS3 looks like ass and the PS3 itself looks very much like a bread box, an ugly silver one that would be in George Jetsons kitchen. I still can't believe this thing is what all the lemmings want, it is not an attractive looking machine and anyone who says differently is blind. I guess black as a console color is just not trendy anymore, Hell, Sega should re-release the Dreamcast, since it is white it will surely sell 8 go-zillion units...being back in trend and all. None of you fools remember how part of Sonyphiles huge-assed argument over the DC and PS2 debate was that the PS2 looked like a piece of hi-fi equipment and the Dreamcast looked like an out of date Star Trek prop, and that that would also contribute to the Dreamcasts demise?...going by that old argument the PS3 is a lost cause. Plus, if the thing is 600 bones AND ugly? Sony should fold, pass the shoe, quit while their ahead, put out the candle, push up a daisy, whatever...

[slade]

Sony has watched the Xbox Live success with envious eyes and has only recently done something about it, I have doubts that they (Sony) had PS3 online plans (that coincidently seem all to similar to Xbox Live) waaaaay back 6 years ago....you're reaching, a lot.

I'm surprised that a staunch DC supporter such as yourself has no memory of the hype that put that console under. Don't you remember that AOL/Sony deal that bore no real fruit? Here's something I dug up:

http://www.e-consultancy.com/newsfeatures/151071/aol-to-add-im-to-the-ps2.html?keywords=games

The company said the PS2 demonstration also includes music programming, movie trailers, TV show clips, and footage from a new feature of AOL Games called "AOL Players Club", showing members executing special moves in Sony games. Sony and AOL first announced a deal for AOL services on the PS2 in May 2001.

Here's more: http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3144956

Sony had big plans for the system from the start. The company's CEO, Howard Stringer, described the PS2's role in the company's future as the Trojan horse that would inspire customers to create massive, networked home-entertainment centers (ideally consisting of Sony components, no doubt) with the game console as the hub. There was also talk of a PS2-centric "massive broadband network" that would be put in place "sometime in 2001," with content that would include on-demand downloadable movies created by such luminaries as George Lucas. Needless to say, neither of these quite panned out as expected-although Sony did make the attempt.

Sounds pretty similar to what they are promising now. Don't you remember all that Kutaragi hyperbole about jacking into the Matrix? This is nothing new and it was all promised long ago.

And moving on to the argument of PS3 games looking better that 360 games of a year ago is also a sad argument since the PS3 is not out and you are talking about screen shots only or what you heard from so-and-so at an E3 expo or whatever....you gotta do better than this, I'm embarrassed for you (hangs head). Your arguments are usually better than this. Maybe you know something I don't though?

Think of it this way. Last year, we all passed judgement on 360 games from their released media at that time. I'm not going to make any distinction when it comes to PS3 like, 'wait and see.' What I've seen so far is plenty impressive.

[Dancer O_o]

I'm surprised that a staunch DC supporter such as yourself has no memory of the hype that put that console under. Don't you remember that AOL/Sony deal that bore no real fruit? Here's something I dug up:

http://www.e-consultancy.com/newsfeatures/151071/aol-to-add-im-to-the-ps2.html?keywords=games



Here's more: http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3144956



Sounds pretty similar to what they are promising now. Don't you remember all that Kutaragi hyperbole about jacking into the Matrix? This is nothing new and it was all promised long ago.



Think of it this way. Last year, we all passed judgement on 360 games from their released media at that time. I'm not going to make any distinction when it comes to PS3 like, 'wait and see.' What I've seen so far is plenty impressive.

I read all that, Sony does talk about using AOLs Instant Message service and how Sega using a dialup adapter is "like racing to be the world's tallest midget," and anyone who was serious about online gaming would wait for the broadband adapter." That's straight from VP of Research and Development Phil Harrison at Sony....THAT IS ALL THAT IS SAID ON THIS SUBJECT...and that is far from an excellent online strategy and really says absolutely nothing really. And I do remember the hype that put the DC under, Sony's overhyped jack of all trades master of non PS2 is the hype you are referring to...yes, indeed I do remember. Sega also just flat out walked away from the DC and it's loyal customers with an installed user base of like 8 million or more consoles, sheesh! I have never forgiven them for doing it twice (Saturn was the first time) and have ignored them ever since, Hell, I like EA more than Sega these days.

Your last paragraph is interesting, I guess we all want to compare NOW the differences between PS3 games and 360 games. I read a Playstation magazine or 2 a month, all screen shots and video for PS3 games look damned fine (Killzone especially). In the end things will be a bit backwards this time around possibly,meaning the PS3 most likely will be the most powerful Sithspawned console to date, I just hope it doesn't take developers 5 years of hair pulling to figure out how to tap that power. Another Emotion Engine blunder will make devs. put a gun in their mouth...

[slade]

I read all that, Sony does talk about using AOLs Instant Message service and how Sega using a dialup adapter is "like racing to be the world's tallest midget," and anyone who was serious about online gaming would wait for the broadband adapter." That's straight from VP of Research and Development Phil Harrison at Sony....THAT IS ALL THAT IS SAID ON THIS SUBJECT...and that is far from an excellent online strategy and really says absolutely nothing really.

No, you missed the bits about digital content distribution and the PS2 as a massive network hub that would be at the centre of all other media hardware in the home. That is the ultimate goal of both Live and Sony's online service. Look at Live now with the marketplace. It offers trailer downloads for upcoming games and the all important microtransaction fees for other media downloads. IMO, it will gradually become the vehicle for MS offering other digital content that Sony's talking about like movies and music. That has been the ultimate goal of Live since the beginning. You only have to read the recent speeches Bill Gates has made about optical formats like DVD's becoming obsolete in the future to see that. Although I would like to see how they intend to approach movie and music downloads. Sony has a leg up on MS in this realm because their conglomerate does both.

And I do remember the hype that put the DC under, Sony's overhyped jack of all trades master of non PS2 is the hype you are referring to...yes, indeed I do remember.

That's really a general statement. You're still not seeing the specifics.

[Dancer O_o]

No, you missed the bits about digital content distribution and the PS2 as a massive network hub that would be at the centre of all other media hardware in the home. That is the ultimate goal of both Live and Sony's online service. Look at Live now with the marketplace. It offers trailer downloads for upcoming games and the all important microtransaction fees for other media downloads. IMO, it will gradually become the vehicle for MS offering other digital content that Sony's talking about like movies and music. That has been the ultimate goal of Live since the beginning. You only have to read the recent speeches Bill Gates has made about optical formats like DVD's becoming obsolete in the future to see that. Although I would like to see how they intend to approach movie and music downloads. Sony has a leg up on MS in this realm because their conglomerate does both.



That's really a general statement. You're still not seeing the specifics.

OK, here is the blurb you were referring to:

"There was also talk of a PS2-centric "massive broadband network" that would be put in place "sometime in 2001," with content that would include on-demand downloadable movies created by such luminaries as George Lucas. Needless to say, neither of these quite panned out as expected-although Sony did make the attempt."

In these two sentences it is clear that Sony had and idea of what would be nice to have for their PS2, but they put little to no effort into it, making it clear they didn't put much stock into it and thought "well, we'll do something about that for the next console" While MS whipped up something to envy...and now Sony is playing Me-Too.....as I pretty much stated about 5 posts back. You are correct in stating that Sony had it planned way back when, so thanks for that bit of knowledge. I just wish they had followed through more.

Giving us "Talk" about what may come about and actually "Making" it come about is a clear distinction between Sony and MS. Sony tended to hype and produce not much, where MS delivered exactly what it said it would in this instance....it's inarguable really. Oh, sure we can on an on about it, but Xbox Live is here, it works well and continues on with the 360 exactly as it did or better than the first Xbox. Sony STILL does not yet have an effect system in place like Microsoft’s...4 or 5 years later...unacceptable for a company who's bottom line is now so effected by the PS2, Sony is not doing well in another other indevour as far as I know, their TVs are too expensive for most, and in a lot of cases not even as nice as some other up and comers lately.

I am not sure what you mean by me missing specifics about PS2 and Dreamcast hype, I was there through the whole thing and to get nit pickingly specific would be trifling.:mad: I am fully aware as to what exactly transpired between the 2 consoles, more so than most actually.

[slade]

Well, according to the original argument you hustled in on, I was saying that Sony is not reacting to MS's plans with X-box Live. In fact, what they are offering is what they already promised six years ago. MS beat them to it and that's all fine and well but it has little bearing on the original argument. Sony is not in this to copy X-box Live, they are trying to fulfill a promise made with the PS2. To say that Sony is envious of X-box Live is just plain retarded. PS2 online alone provided most of the functionality that X-box Live enjoyed like voice communication and downloadable content for games. PS3 online is just one more step in providing more and better functionality.

In any case, the whole PS2 online debacle only served to highlight the divisiveness among Sony's various divisions. IMO, Kutaragi is a visionary whose dreams have been limited by the very company he works for. That was why he has been so outspoken about Sony's mismanagement of its resources. Hopefully with Stringer at the helm, things will improve. Getting the various divisions to work together was one of his goals and we will see whether he succeeded when the PS3 online service is finally launched.

[Dancer O_o]

Well, according to the original argument you hustled in on, I was saying that Sony is not reacting to MS's plans with X-box Live. In fact, what they are offering is what they already promised six years ago. MS beat them to it and that's all fine and well but it has little bearing on the original argument. Sony is not in this to copy X-box Live, they are trying to fulfill a promise made with the PS2. To say that Sony is envious of X-box Live is just plain retarded. PS2 online alone provided most of the functionality that X-box Live enjoyed like voice communication and downloadable content for games. PS3 online is just one more step in providing more and better functionality.

In any case, the whole PS2 online debacle only served to highlight the divisiveness among Sony's various divisions. IMO, Kutaragi is a visionary whose dreams have been limited by the very company he works for. That was why he has been so outspoken about Sony's mismanagement of its resources. Hopefully with Stringer at the helm, things will improve. Getting the various divisions to work together was one of his goals and we will see whether he succeeded when the PS3 online service is finally launched.

hustled in on? I was not aware that I was not allowed to chimed in on posts. And I thought I was cordial enough to not have this kind if tripe thrown in my face, am I making you angry or something?

To say that Sony is envious of X-box Live is just plain retarded? Just as this statement is similarly retarded, or, as I put it, moronic "At this point, they would much rather pretend that it never existed. Too bad that backwards compatibility issue is still there though."

It is sad when one mans vision is diminished by corporate beaurocrasy...

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hustled in on? I was not aware that I was not allowed to chimed in on posts. And I thought I was cordial enough to not have this kind if tripe thrown in my face, am I making you angry or something?

Not angry, just frustrated that I keep having to restate the same thing. Makes me think I'm debating with Moody or something..... ok ok, that was harsh. Anyway, our argument ended with my last post. Good day!!!!!!