The PSP has no games? Wrong!

[Glockstar]

That people say the PSP has no games is one of the biggest lies ever fronted! And I'm here to set the record straight!

First off, yes, the NDS has more games - but only 12 more! And you have to remember that it's been the market for a whole 4 months longer! The current games count for each system is as follows: NDS = 104 ... PSP = 92. The NDS has been on the market for 485 days, while the PSP is at 382. So if you do the math, you'll see that the PSP has actually received greater support than the NDS! For those too lazy - or are calculator impaired - here's how it breaks down:
NDS = a game every 4.66 days … or .21 games/day
PSP = a game every 3.93 days … or .25 games/day


'Oh, but what about the quality of those games, Glockstar, what about the quality... what about the GameRankings... ooohhh, ooohhh, ooohhh... ?', right? (I can here you shleps right now.) Well, according to no one's favorite GameRankings, the NDS has 15 games rated 80% or higher. The PSP has 16! Don't like that breakdown? You want to raise the bar? Okay then... if we just count the games that are rated 85% and higher, then the two systems are tied. But remember, the PSP library is a little smaller than the NDS's... so that means the ratio of great-game to not-so-great-game is still better on the PSP side!


Now here's the real kicker: thru November 2006, GameStop lists 22 games coming out for the NDS... they show 43 for the PSP! :yikes: Isn't that something? Isn't that wild? I mean, the NDS is supposedly the system that every game director and developer is giddy to make games for, you know? Haw!

BOOM, baby!

(All numbers and statistics are up-to-the-minute thru today.)

[Pandarbock]

Maybe since you have all this statistical data you could compare the number of original titles and the number of ports/ remixed ports etc between the two. This is the reason my psp sits collecting dust with all of 2 games bought for it as opposed to my 23 DS games.

[Cuddly Knife]

Amen, Panda. While there are a few games that are original on the PSP(like Pursuit Force, Practical Intelligence Quotient, Lumines), the majority of games are dumbed-down ports. Methinks that having all this power in the PSP is more of a curse than an advantage.

Now the DS on the other hand has almost nothing but original titles(the ones that count, anyways). Most are far more impressive than most games on the PSP, even if the PSP is a production-value powerhouse.

Unless the PSP gives me something special(G&G and Tekken might do it), my PSP will remain an emu station.

[theWacoKid]

This is funny stuff. I don't even own a psp anymore and haven't for well over 8 months and I know more about the psp library than dumb and dumber here one of who actually owns a psp. Don't look now, oh, clueless wonders but sony just released two psp titles that have been scoring 9s. Daxter and Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror. Exit is an intriguing puzzle game. Capcom is looking to throw some heavy support to the psp. Mega Man powered up is a solid title. Capcom Classic Collections remixed is due shortly. Monster Hunter Freedom, Ultimate Ghouls n Ghosts. You've got solid sports titles in winning eleven, virtua tennis and mlb 06 the show. Sony has a neat advance wars killer coming up in Field Commander.

And I have to laugh at DS and its original titles. Oh, yeah, like Tetris, and a platformer starring Princess Peach, and some game featuring oh, yeah, samus they just released. Haven't seen titles, like Advance Wars or Mario Kart or Animal Crossing before. Ooooh, how original. Puleaasee!

The psp is definitely fielding a better library than when I had it. Hell, a couple of months they only had one game released. Open your freakin eyes, complainers.

[trebor]

I could see myself owning a PSP at some point down the road, but I'm not in any rush since it still has a lot going against it right now.

[mandark]

And I have to laugh at DS and its original titles. Oh, yeah, like Tetris, and a platformer starring Princess Peach, and some game featuring oh, yeah, samus they just released. Haven't seen titles, like Advance Wars or Mario Kart or Animal Crossing before. Ooooh, how original. Puleaasee!

Speaking of original titles, how about Trauma Center, Nintendogs, Meteos, WarioWare Touch, Kirby Canvas, Lost in Blue, Phoenix Wright, MP Pinball, Pac Pix and a slew of other games that cannot be played in the PSP at all. Did you just forget to mention these games or is it because they pretty much destroys your argument? The PSP on the other hand does have good games, maybe even great games. But why would I even want to pay more money for games, most of which, I already have for my PS2? Heck, you yourself have proven how great the PSP is: By getting rid of it.

[Pandarbock]

Open your freakin eyes, complainers.

I don't believe I complained but alright. I don't really think Megaman powered up, capcom classics remixed and the sport titles you listed would really help in the arguement against what I said but I do give you Daxter and Exit you might also add rocco loco and every extend extra to the psp's side. The PSP is fated to have more ports than original titles, it is just more profitable for companies to do so given the costs required to develop something that takes advantage of most of the psp's hardware. If you look at alot of the completely original titles for the psp you will notice that they are either jumbled together crap (death jr for example) or are not exactly something you couldn't do on the DS (exit, roco loco, lumines, every extend extra). Daxter is probably the shining star though and Syphon filter both being new entries into their respective series and both taking full advantage of what the psp has to offer hardware wise.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

GTA LCS is better than any DS game...period...if for nothing more than it's multiplayer component

Now, there's Syphon Filter, which is supposed to be the best PSP game yet...
Mega Man MHX & PU
Daxter *completely original*
Katamari
MGA 2
SOCOM

Good ports are still good games.
I want, but do not have any of the games listed above except GTA.

How many more times can you play though Phoenix Wright or Trauma Center?

Cling all you can to Mario Kart and Animal Crossing...both are less than N64 quality.

[Gadfly2317]

GTA LCS is better than any DS game...period...if for nothing more than it's multiplayer component It's not an easy comparison. The PsP and DS are as unalike as the Ps3 and Revolution are likely to be. GTA LCS, I enjoyed it, but it was a threadbare version of a console style game. What is the criteria for "better" on a handheld anyway? What is even the point of comparing hyper-addictive quick pick-up and play handheld games like Warioware, or astonishingly original fare like Electroplankton to console style ports or "versions" like Wipeout, GTA or Mario Kart?


Cling all you can to Mario Kart and Animal Crossing...both are less than N64 quality. See, both of these are originally console games. Animal Crossing lost something, just like GTA LCS did. Mario Kart on the other hand is definitely better than N64 quality, and added tons of content beyond any other game in the series. Plus it added wi-fi online play to one of the most fun multi-player games ever made. Online is not new, but a tiny handheld letting you play games this good online from anywhere, bar, school, work, coffee shop, etc is a pretty cool thing.

[T.Tashi]

Well it is a marathon and not a sprint. I wouldn't count the psp out so soon. The psp is touted as a full-on network appliance and if Sony delivers on all the things it plans (video VoIP, RSS, translators, email, GPS) it will distance itself from the "just games" concept of the DS that Nintendo does so well. One may say that those technologies don't lend themselves to games, but I say why don't they? Some of those technologies in the right developer's hands could lend themsevles very well to gaming.

Syphon Filter is a sick game. I think it finally shook off the "ugly stepchild" of the stealth genre label. The only thing I don't like is some of the events are scripted. I like sneaking all the way through and sometimes you have no choice but to enter firefights. But nonetheless it is a great game that controls amazingly well for lack of a right analog.

[Gadfly2317]

Well it is a marathon and not a sprint. I wouldn't count the psp out so soon. The psp is touted as a full-on network appliance and if Sony delivers on all the things it plans (video VoIP, RSS, translators, email, GPS) it will distance itself from the "just games" concept of the DS that Nintendo does so well.

I don't count the PsP out, and I no longer believe it's "either/or." The two products offer extremely different experiences. Having both is fine, or having one that offers the experience you prefer also makes sense.

With MS's rumored handheld, it sounds like a PsP clone. . . big power, lots of multimedia, and port-friendly.

I welcome the PsP because it offers something really different than what DS is doing, and DS is great because it offers gaming very different than the type of gaming we've done in the past.

I boo and hiss MS's wanna-be Ipod/PsP copy-cat handheld, if the rumors are true. It would make sense; it was their approach to windows, to Internet Explorer, to Windows Media Player, to Xbox. . .But whereas windows dominance allows them to push their other copycat products on consumers, they haven't been able to use that same trojan horse with their "bucket-o-pc parts" home consoles.

[Glockstar]

Maybe since you have all this statistical data you could compare the number of original titles and the number of ports/ remixed ports etc between the two.

Yeah, sure, okay.

GWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

For the NDS...
Dragon Booster... Electroplankton... Feel the Magic: XY/XX... Kirby Canvas Curse... Lost in Blue... Meteos... Nanostray... Nintendogs... Pac-Pix... Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney... Ping Pals... Polarium... Real Time Conflict: Shogun Empires... Sprung... Super Princess Peach... Tamagotchi Connection: Corner Shop... Tao's Adventure: Curse of the Demon Seal... Trace Memory... Trauma Center: Under the Knife... True Swing Golf... Whac-A-Mole...
... 21 "games".


For the PSP...
Coded Arms... The Con... Daxter... Death Jr.... Exit... Frantix... Generation of Chaos... Go! Sudoku... GripShift... Infected... Kingdom of Paradise... Lumines... Mercury... Metal Gear Acid... PoPoLoCrois... Practical Intelligence Quotient... Pursuit Force... Rengoku: The Tower of Purgatory... Smart Bomb... The Hustle: Detroit Streets... The Legend of Heroes: A Tear of Vermillion... Tokobot... Ultimate Block Party... Untold Legends: Brotherhood of the Blade...
... 24 games!

Next!

[Gadfly2317]

I just stumbled on this 4 page article at IGN that discusses handhelds, their changing position in the market, the effect on game design, and how the DS and PSP are both expanding the handheld market (I liked that last bit because it was exactly what I've been saying for awhile.)

It's a great article for anyone who has any interest in this thread.

http://revolution.ign.com/articles/696/696191p1.html

[Pandarbock]

Yeah, sure, okay.

GWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

For the NDS...
Dragon Booster... Electroplankton... Feel the Magic: XY/XX... Kirby Canvas Curse... Lost in Blue... Meteos... Nanostray... Nintendogs... Pac-Pix... Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney... Ping Pals... Polarium... Real Time Conflict: Shogun Empires... Sprung... Super Princess Peach... Tamagotchi Connection: Corner Shop... Tao's Adventure: Curse of the Demon Seal... Trace Memory... Trauma Center: Under the Knife... True Swing Golf... Whac-A-Mole...
... 21 "games".


For the PSP...
Coded Arms... The Con... Daxter... Death Jr.... Exit... Frantix... Generation of Chaos... Go! Sudoku... GripShift... Infected... Kingdom of Paradise... Lumines... Mercury... Metal Gear Acid... PoPoLoCrois... Practical Intelligence Quotient... Pursuit Force... Rengoku: The Tower of Purgatory... Smart Bomb... The Hustle: Detroit Streets... The Legend of Heroes: A Tear of Vermillion... Tokobot... Ultimate Block Party... Untold Legends: Brotherhood of the Blade...
... 24 games!

Next!

ok maybe a full list would suffice and not just one you made with the psp edging out the ds. Heck all i would have to do is add metroid pinball, MP hunters, and viewtiful joe DS and subtract your popolocrois as it is in fact a port and then what would the list show?

[Gadfly2317]

ok maybe a full list would suffice and not just one you made with the psp edging out the ds. Heck all i would have to do is add metroid pinball, MP hunters, and viewtiful joe DS and subtract your popolocrois as it is in fact a port and then what would the list show?

Gotta admit it took some balls for him to include Detroit Hustle to bolster the PsP list. Really, there were some big stinkers on both lists that could have been included. I'm surprised Glock left off Metroid Pinball and Hunters. . . both are superb, and I would think anyone who's both an Xbox fan and a Handheld fan would be drooling at the online FPS play that is Metroid Hunters. It really shows just how much Metroid Prime on GC was NOT a FPS.

[mandark]

Gotta admit it took some balls for him to include Detroit Hustle to bolster the PsP list. Really, there were some big stinkers on both lists that could have been included. I'm surprised Glock left off Metroid Pinball and Hunters. . . both are superb, and I would think anyone who's both an Xbox fan and a Handheld fan would be drooling at the online FPS play that is Metroid Hunters. It really shows just how much Metroid Prime on GC was NOT a FPS.

If we are talking about good games whether they are original or not then good ol' Glocky also forgot to add:
Sonic Rush, Castlevania DoS, Super Mario DS, Age of Empire, Bomberman, Mario and Luigi, Advance Wars, and Mario Cart.
Then heap on top of this list the hundreds of GBA games that are playable on the DS, there really is no competition.

BTW, are there any news of a Zelda game for the DS? There has got to be one in the works.

[Glockstar]

ok maybe a full list would suffice and not just one you made with the psp edging out the ds. Heck all i would have to do is add metroid pinball, MP hunters, and viewtiful joe DS and subtract your popolocrois as it is in fact a port and then what would the list show?

You know what... whatever. Have it your way. Plug in whatever games you want for the NDS side and yank out any games you want from the PSP side (effin babies... they're never gonna be happy...)...

... so now you've got 24 "games" for the NDS, and 23 games for the PSP. There. You happy now?!

Oooooh... 24 to 23. Do you not see that my point is still made? Haw!

[Gadfly2317]

You know what... whatever. Have it your way. Plug in whatever games you want for the NDS side and yank out any games you want from the PSP side (effin babies... they're never gonna be happy...)...

... so now you've got 24 "games" for the NDS, and 23 games for the PSP. There. You happy now?!

Oooooh... 24 to 23. Do you not see that my point is still made? Haw!

Well, you conveniently ignored the EIGHT games Mandark mentioned, all first rate DS games that you ignored. And you left out the highly regarded, graphically stylish ONLINE Tony Hawk game. Which, btw, was a third party game available with the launch of the Nintendo Wi-fi network.

You also seem to ignore the fact that the PsP is mostly been-there done-that gameplay, except now it's "on the go" whereas repeatedly the best of the DS gets tagged with "gameplay not possible before the DS hardware." This isn't just Gaddy's Nutty Perspective; it is also the concensus of the entire gaming media and crops up in review after review.

The PsP has its place, and some people NEED console gaming on the go because they are never home to play their consoles. But I'm sorry, for a REAL game-on-the-go system--a rugged system with zero load-times, a diverse system, one that has the most ground-breaking titles, online games with large numbers of players so you can actually play, and a system capable of also playing the massive GBA library. . .DS is ESSENTIAL.

To miss the best stuff on the DS is to be in the dark about the cutting edge of gameplay design, and not understand the hints of what are to come with the Revolution.

If you spend a lot of time in transit, busses, planes, motel rooms. . PsP is great for getting your Tiger Woods or GTA fix, or watching Family Guy. Other than that, it is a superfluous luxury with very little that is "must play" for anyone wanting do do something new.

[Glockstar]

Hey! What happened to my post - my reply to mandark?! I did it right after my reply to Panderbock.

Oh well, I'll redo it; it wasn't hard.

And I guess I'll have adress it to Gadfly too. The kitties are in denial. They're getting defensive, and they're getting stupid. (Especially you McFly, friggin' babbling about MS... babbling about IGN... babbling about Metroid Prime for the GameCube... babbling about cutting edges and school buses... babbling about NDS this and NDS that... babbling about how Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Advance Wars, Mario, and pinball games are "new"... gimme a friggin break.)

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If we are talking about good games whether they are original or not then good ol' Glocky also forgot to add:
Sonic Rush, Castlevania DoS, Super Mario DS, Age of Empire, Bomberman, Mario and Luigi, Advance Wars, and Mario Cart.
Then heap on top of this list the hundreds of GBA games that are playable on the DS, there really is no competition.

Well, you conveniently ignored the EIGHT games Mandark mentioned, all first rate DS games that you ignored. And you left out the highly regarded, graphically stylish ONLINE Tony Hawk game.

Don't be stupid.

I already addressed this issue. Didn't you read the first post in this thread? It's the second full paragraph. What, do I have to colorize everything and put everything into columns and rows for you to understand? Fine. Here's that paragraph again, reformatted AND NOW UPDATED just for you two numbskulls...

'Oh, but what about the quality of those games, Glockstar, what about the quality... what about the GameRankings... ooohhh, ooohhh, ooohhh... ?', right? (I can hear you shleps right now.) Well, according to no one's favorite GameRankings...

games rated 80% or higher:
NDS = 16
PSP = 20!

Don't like that breakdown? You want to raise the bar? Okay then...

if we just count the games that are rated 85% and higher:
NDS = 9
PSP = 9
...the two systems are tied. But remember, the PSP library is a little smaller than the NDS's... so that means the ratio of great-game to not-so-great-game is still better on the PSP side!

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And because you just know they're going to ask (because the depths of their denial is bottomless)...

The Top Rated NDS and PSP Games (according to GameRankings - as of this minute):

NDS
1. Mario Kart DS …92.5
2. Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow …90.5
3. Advance Wars: Dual Strike …90.2
4. Meteos …88.5
5. Kirby Canvas Curse …88.3
6. Tetris DS ...87.3
7. Animal Crossing: Wild World
8. Super Mario 64 DS…86.3
9. Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time …85.6

10. Tony Hawk's American Sk8land …84.9
11. Nintendogs …84.3
12. Sonic Rush …82.5
13. WarioWare: Touched! …82.5
14. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney …81.9
15. Metroid Prime Pinball …81.6
16. Trauma Center: Under the Knife …81.5



PSP
1. Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror …91.9
2. Lumines …89.8
3. Daxter …89.4
4. Wipeout Pure …88.7
5. Ridge Racer …88.1
6. Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories …87.8
7. Burnout Legends …86.2
8. Mega Man Powered Up …85.9
9. Virtua Tennis: World Tour …85.8

10. Tony Hawk's Underground 2 Remix …83.7
11. X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse …83.6
12. Metal Gear Acid 2 …83.1
13. SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo …82.9
14. Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee …81.7
15. MLB '06: The Show …81.6
16. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06 …81.4
17. Street Fighter Alpha 3 MAX …81.3
18. WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2006 …81.1
19. MLB …81.1
20. Mega Man Maverick Hunter X …80.8

What's next, should we drop it down 70%? Haw! You guys are going to keep trying to skew the numbers until they work in your favor... well, I'm here, I'll be ready...

[trebor]

And because you just know they're going to ask (because the depths of their denial is bottomless)...

The Top Rated NDS and PSP Games (according to GameRankings - as of this minute):

NDS
1. Mario Kart DS …92.5
2. Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow …90.5
3. Advance Wars: Dual Strike …90.2
4. Meteos …88.5
5. Kirby Canvas Curse …88.3
6. Tetris DS ...87.3
7. Animal Crossing: Wild World
8. Super Mario 64 DS…86.3
9. Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time …85.6

10. Tony Hawk's American Sk8land …84.9
11. Nintendogs …84.3
12. Sonic Rush …82.5
13. WarioWare: Touched! …82.5
14. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney …81.9
15. Metroid Prime Pinball …81.6
16. Trauma Center: Under the Knife …81.5



PSP
1. Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror …91.9
2. Lumines …89.8
3. Daxter …89.4
4. Wipeout Pure …88.7
5. Ridge Racer …88.1
6. Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories …87.8
7. Burnout Legends …86.2
8. Mega Man Powered Up …85.9
9. Virtua Tennis: World Tour …85.8

10. Tony Hawk's Underground 2 Remix …83.7
11. X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse …83.6
12. Metal Gear Acid 2 …83.1
13. SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo …82.9
14. Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee …81.7
15. MLB '06: The Show …81.6
16. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06 …81.4
17. Street Fighter Alpha 3 MAX …81.3
18. WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2006 …81.1
19. MLB …81.1
20. Mega Man Maverick Hunter X …80.8

What's next, should we drop it down 70%? Haw! You guys are going to keep trying to skew the numbers until they work in your favor... well, I'm here, I'll be ready...

That's cute and all, but Metroid Prime Hunters and Tetris DS both released this week and their collective Gamerankings reviews are both above 85%. And while I see Tetris, I don't so much see Hunters.

[Glockstar]

Omg! So #@$%ing what?! You want to include MP Hunters, fine, include it! So now the NDS is up to 17 games! Or 10 games. Or whatever the eff you prefer! That's not the effin point! Quit changing the subject, ya babies.

[trebor]

Omg! So #@$%ing what?! You want to include MP Hunters, fine, include it! So now the NDS is up to 17 games! Or 10 games. Or whatever the eff you prefer! That's not the effin point! Quit changing the subject, ya babies.

Hey Bub, if the whole point of this thread is prove your point about PSP games, ya' better not skew the facts with misinformation.

[Gadfly2317]

To try to bring this back to a peaceful co-existence, both of those lists say less about quanity or quality (each system has plenty of quality and quanity) than they do divergence. With PsP you get great Ps2 games on the go like Burnout, Grand Theft Auto, Ridge Racer, etc. . .

and with DS, you get Nintendo's best online (AC, MK, Metroid), PC style games (AoE, Zoo Tycoon,) and original experiences unlike any other system we've ever seen (Kirby, Electroplankton, Trauma Center, Nintendogs, Brain Age to name a few). . . .

Owning both of these systems is definitely not redundant, though finding the time for all the best titles isn't easy.

[mandark]

Owning both of these systems is definitely not redundant, though finding the time for all the best titles isn't easy.

It really comes down to personal preference. I fully support my PS2 and GC. Just like you said, both consoles complemented each other.

Unfortunately when it comes to handhelds i can't see myself owning more than one. I really sat on the fence for a while, DS or PSP, PSP or DS. PSP pretty much blew away the DS when it came to technology, style, Cool factor, and multimedia capability. But its all about the games I want to play on the go! Like I've said before PSP has great games, but most of them are redundant to the PS2's. The DS may have less games in the 80's in Gamerankings but most of those games, even the ones below 80%, offers more new experiences compared to the PSP's offerings. And on top of that the DS has the backward compatibility that more than triples the amount of games you can play.

[Gadfly2317]

It really comes down to personal preference. I fully support my PS2 and GC. Just like you said, both consoles complemented each other.

Unfortunately when it comes to handhelds i can't see myself owning more than one. I really sat on the fence for a while, DS or PSP, PSP or DS. PSP pretty much blew away the DS when it came to technology, style, Cool factor, and multimedia capability. But its all about the games I want to play on the go! Like I've said before PSP has great games, but most of them are redundant to the PS2's. The DS may have less games in the 80's in Gamerankings but most of those games, even the ones below 80%, offers more new experiences compared to the PSP's offerings. And on top of that the DS has the backward compatibility that more than triples the amount of games you can play.

If I only had to pick one it would definitely be the DS. Unless things change on the PsP, it stands a good chance of getting traded in this fall on a Rev, 360 or Ps3.

[shogun]

Right now my PSP is collecting dust. I bought Lumines and WipEout along with the system, but after that the only thing that made me touch the console was my NES emmulator. I made the mistake of upgrading my firmware to play Armored Core (big mistake, as the game turned out to be crap) so now my emus won't run on it.

So now I don't play the thing at all. There are a couple games I may eventually pick up, like Daxter, Virtua Tennis and MegaMan:Powered Up. I'll probably hold off on some other games until they get cheap. With portable games costing between $30-$50, it's typically a better deal for me to pick up a full-fledged console game than a watered down portable version.

Truth be told, the DS isn't all that interesting to me either. I think I'm done with portable gaming..I really don't game "on the go", which makes either system a little pointless...

[Pandarbock]

Right now my PSP is collecting dust. I bought Lumines and WipEout along with the system, but after that the only thing that made me touch the console was my NES emmulator. I made the mistake of upgrading my firmware to play Armored Core (big mistake, as the game turned out to be crap) so now my emus won't run on it.


You running 2.0 or lower if so you could alway downgrade or just buy GTA and use the exploit on all the other rom revisions up too 2.6.

I am still running 1.5 myself (that I downgraded too) but yet I still don't play the thing much anymore.

[Glockstar]

Hey Bub, if the whole point of this thread is prove your point about PSP games, ya' better not skew the facts with misinformation.

Omg. :rolleyes:

That's like you overhearing me tell a friend about the Gearge Mason vs Connecticut game: where I tell him, 'It was close; George Mason won it, like, 86-85'... but then you come in and correct me and say, 'No, it wasn't close, the score was 86-84'. Gimme a effin break.

Anyways, it's been a few days now, and I think you all have finally gotten the point.

[trebor]

Omg. :rolleyes:

That's like you overhearing me tell a friend about the Gearge Mason vs Connecticut game: where I tell him, 'It was close; George Mason won it, like, 86-85'... but then you come in and correct me and say, 'No, it wasn't close, the score was 86-84'. Gimme a effin break.

Anyways, it's been a few days now, and I think you all have finally gotten the point.

Now try to convince us that a PSP would be a wiser purchase then a PS2 - since the game offerings are pretty much the same.

[Gadfly2317]

Anyways, it's been a few days now, and I think you all have finally gotten the point.

Reading through the thread, the point I've gotten is that what the PsP has is redundant Ps2 stuff, that most people's PsP's here (including mine) mostly sit gathering dust, the games are too expensive, and that the DS is where it's at for people who actually want to game rather than watch movies.