360 launch problems or lack thereof

[Fivespot]

It's being reported that MS might be trying to increase demand by creating fake shortages. I believe this was even a thread in Sys Wars awhile ago (but maybe not). Regardless, I've read alot of discussions lately on this issue and frankly it's gotten me a bit worried about my copy.

Many have posted that EB games has even started calling folks around the US informing first shipment folk that they will now be getting a copy at the second or third shipments some coming even after Christmas. Not much being reported about Gamestop to this extent. Reportedly, EB took too many pre-orders. What I've read is that each store will get about 25 copies of the hardware before launch with other shipments to follow. After reading all of this, I didn't know what to believe.

I called my gal (store manager) at Gamestop and confirmed I still had a copy on 11/22. Phew, no problems there. She informed me that they are getting 22 copies on launch and due a few cancellations has even given 2nd shipment folks a nod to first shipment.

How about all of you? Any problems? All still good for your launch hardware?

[Mochan]

I'm pretty sure that MS is creating an artificial shortage. However that doesn't change the fact that there really are a lot of people who want the box.

[joquito]

This conspiracy comes up every time a new console launches. Nintendo traditionally has been blamed for this more than MS or SONY, but its all BS. You can't complain about MS rushing to launch, then believe they are sandbagging at the same time.

[Darwin]

I was told I would receive mine in the second shipment. Would not surprise me if it takes a few weeks to get mine. It's no big deal.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

For the first time I'm actually worried about the prospects of buying launch hardware. I'm concerned they are churning these things out fast as hell and there might be serious bugs. Of course I have no rational basis for my concern, but I am worried nonetheless. Of course I bought and still primarily game on my launch XBOX console and it is working just fine.

I'm 100% certain i'll be sitting out this launch anyway. No pre-order and i'm not camping out. I may walk into Wal-mart or Circuit City the following day on the off chance they have some units left, but I don't expect to see any.

As far as intentionally under supplying the market, I really don't think that would do MS any good. I think they want to get this thing into as many hands as possible, I don't think their board of directors would approve of such a move either. I definitely think they are pressuring retailers to increase excitement and try and sell through their units so they can claim it was a sell-out. But I do not think there is anything unusual about that. Some retailers during the XBOX launch were very laissez-faire, like K-Mart for instance. They practically did nothing and their employees new little about the product(I waited in line at K-mart, then left K-mart and went to Circuit City later that night and got one unit, my girl walked into Sears the following morning and got another one, which I sold a few days later). It is smart for Microsoft to funnel more product to eager retailers who are likely to attract more consumers.

The only way I see Microsoft adopting this strategy is if the 360 wasn't in big demand, but that just isn't the case. This thing is in big demand and will sell out. The more MS can get out there the better.

[theWacoKid]

Still good to go here, but who knows, you hear so much contradictory info its hard to keep track of. A Futureshop District Manager told my local EB asm that they're good on 360 stock for launch and another 10 days after that. So take it for what you will. EB Canada seems fairly consistent, stores with more pre-orders are getting more stock. I'm not hearing of major shortages here. The problems seem to be occurring with EB/Gamestop in the states and you never know, the merger may have something to do with it. I have a feeling units will mysteriously show up in the final week at a lot of stores.

At any rate, launches suck. I wouldn't worry about the 360s in terms of reliabilty. MS has gone through some fairly extensive Q&A measures, chips either work or they don't. The optical drive was one of the biggest problems for the xbox, MS used multiple suppliers. As far as I know, they're going with only one supplier this time, a joint venture between samsung/toshiba. The hard drive is external, so if you have problems there, you wouldn't need to send in the entire unit. The games still work hard drive or not, and if you need to save your games while waiting, pick up a mem card.

[theWacoKid]

Well, got a call from my EB, and I snuck into the top 20 pre-orders. Two guys ahead of me couldn't pick up their systems in the morning, so I get to go in at 8:40am and have 10 minutes all to my lonesome to do my business. Wow, what a relief, not having to wait in some slow moving line for my 360. I bet I could sell my appointment for some quick cash.

[Darwin]

The date of mine arriving keeps getting moved back. Now I was told I would likely get my preorder in January. Good thing I only put a small deposit instead of the whole payment.

[theWacoKid]

The date of mine arriving keeps getting moved back. Now I was told I would likely get my preorder in January. Good thing I only put a small deposit instead of the whole payment.

Somehow I don't think you're going to have any trouble picking up a 360 the way the reviewers are picking apart the games. I've never seen anything like it. At IGN, they reviewed NFS:MW for the 360, gave it the same identical individual ratings for presentation, graphics, sound, gameplay and lasting appeal as the xbox version, but when it came to the final score, gave the xbox version an 8.5 and dropped the 360 version to an 8.0. Makes no sense whatsoever, they're just in this mega pissy mood, because EA cut features in the sports titles. I secretly think a lot of these reviewers are pissed because they don't have hdtvs.

IGN gave Fifa 06 a 3.5 for lasting appeal despite featuring online play, just so they could justify a low rating for the game. Madden gets an 8.0, which makes it the lowest rated Madden ever because it doesn't feature mini-camp mode. No reaason given for the lower rating on NFS:MW. Can't wait to see them rip apart NBA Live and Tiger Woods. Right now, its like a feeding frenzy, I doubt very much that games can get a fair shake under these circumstances.

You have IGN giving the derivative and track starved wipeout for the psp a 9.3 during the psp launch, but you're not going to be seeing any 9.3 scores for 360 titles. Wipepout featured no onlne play, unforgiveably short tracks aside from way too few tracks, a generic euro soundtrack but hey, let's be generous and show how happy we are the game wasn't a disaster and give it a 9.3. Hmmm. IGN right now, is acting like a promise was made to them that was broken, they're pissed and they're going to show it.

These guys are now suddently going to take the high ground and become tough reviewers, give me a break, I've had to suffer thru some of their ridiculous review scores where trash like Wreckless and WWF Raw were 9.0+ games but these tightasses now figure PGR3 isn't quite deserving of their 9.0 rating because its PGR2.5. Didn't stop them with Wipeout for the psp. These clowns have reviewed utter junk and handed out 9.0s, what's stopping them now. Oh, well, thankfully, we don't play reviews, we play games.

The gaming media is a mess, reviews are a sham. We've known this for a while, but its becoming clearer as time goes on, that going by review scores is no way to pick a game. I don't even look at the scores anymore, I read the review and find out a few things like game length and how certain features were implemented. I think a lot of these review sites have seen the handwriting on the wall and that their days are numbered with consoles like the 360. Players will download demos from live and they won't give a rat's ass what the reviewers post because they'll be able to play the game and judge for themselves. Mags like OXM might as well fold now, because the only resaon anybody buys them now is for the demo disc. Stick a fork in them because those guys are done. If I was on the staff, I'd be hunting for another job before the axe fell officially.

I'm tired of all the influence peddlers on the net, telling you what you should be playing. I'll make that decsision thank you very much and when I want your opinion, I'll ask for it. I'm tired of picking up games that were well reviewed and finding out that not only was the game not great, it wasn't even good. I'm equally pissed when I pass on a game that was pissed on by a cranky reviewer only to find out that I passed on a really good game.

If you really want a 360 on launch day, walk into best buy or walmart, I think you'll find there will still be premiums when you go in. If not, feb-march isn't that far off and you can pick up your 360 along with Oblivion then. Me, I need my gridiron action, and some WWII mayhem and some incockpit racing. Also, 4 player gauntlet online in 1080i for 5 bucks.

[Gadfly2317]

I secretly think a lot of these reviewers are pissed because they don't have hdtvs.
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Whatever helps you sleep at night :rolleyes:

You can't "secretly think" something if you publicly post it.

[Glockstar]

Whatever helps you sleep at night :rolleyes:

You can't "secretly think" something if you publicly post it.

Go away troll.

You can't have launch problems - or lack thereof - if you have no desire to pick the system up for at least another year - if ever. Which you are on record for saying. So wtf are you even doing in here?

[Gadfly2317]

Go away troll.

You can't have launch problems - or lack thereof - if you have no desire to pick the system up for at least another year - if ever. Which you are on record for saying. So wtf are you even doing in here?

What trolling was there in my comment? Because I don't buy Waco's conspiracy theory on reviewers giving so many 70 scores because they don't have HDTV's? Do YOU believe that wild-eyed delusion? I made no anti-360 statement; I don't come here to make those, even if it were valid to do so.

WTF am I doing here? I'm a gamer interested in gaming systems, the gaming industry (including hardware launches whether I plan to early-adopt or not, and people's opinions. If you could please tell me why you are acting like a thumb-sucking two year old when I have made zero system comparisons (like Waco's PsP vs 360 whining below) or anti-360 posts in the Xbox forum, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks.

If I were trolling, your response would be warranted, but I've played the 360 demo's and have as much right as you do to post my opinions of those in the Xbox forum.

[Gadfly2317]

I'm pretty sure that MS is creating an artificial shortage. However that doesn't change the fact that there really are a lot of people who want the box.

Glockstar: "Go away troll. You can't have launch problems - or lack thereof - if you have no desire to pick the system up. . . So wtf are you even doing in here?

I'm 100% certain i'll be sitting out this launch anyway.

Glockstar: "Go away troll. You can't have launch problems - or lack thereof - if you have no desire to pick the system up. . . So wtf are you even doing in here?

[Fivespot]

I agree with Waco that IGN is being far too harsh on these games. Madden gets an 8.0 because mini-camp is gone along with the ability to challenge a call. Who gives a rats...? Oh no, I'm not getting Madden for the 360 because I only play mini-camp mode. Pretty lame in my opinion. If you read the review, that's all they really complain about. Everything else seems either comparable or better than current gen Madden.

At least COD2 got a 9.0 at IGN. Probably because the 360 version still had every same component from the PC version.

To a certain extent, I understand. How can a next-gen game have less than the current-gen version with regards to game types? Well, maybe it has something to do with the fact that developers had to rush these titles for release. I'd rather they cut a mini-game than take away some major portion of the gameplay.

Sadly, in EA's case, I think they have an entirely different reason for the missing features. I've even called them out on this same offense many months ago on these very boards.

EA purposely skimps some crap out so that next year the newer, same version is more appealing. I can see it now - Madden 07 for the 360 now with mini-camp and challenge a play. And IGN will give it a 9.5 :D

[Darwin]

Perhaps IGN is kinda resetting the par level on their review scores with the new-generation console. And they should. If these games are mostly graphical upgrades of what we've already been playing, 9's they should not be. IGN maybe expects more and they have a right to. Also, they get more breathing room for their future review scores. We know that (with the exception of Halo), the best games on a system are NEVER seen at launch.

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Funny, looks like I have to eat my own words. I criticized Sony for failing to fill half of their preorders at launch, and had only mediocre titles to offer at launch.

Well, I'll reserve final judgement for when I get the console and games in hand. Tell ya what I ain't gonna do. I ain't gonna play the drive-all-over-town-only-to-find-the-stuff-is-already-soldout-on-release-day game that I did in 2000. If I happen to walk into a store that sells them, I'll buy it. But I ain't spending half the day driving around or camping out.

And, no I am not paying the remaining $350 for my console just because EB was implying that it "might" bump me up higher on the list. Say what?!! MS never said anything about that. The agreement was: $50 deposit to reserve a 360 at launch. That's fair, IMO. However, don't play this game with me where I think I can buy my way into line sooner by paying more money (is MS some kind of tele-evangelist now?). Priority should be based on when you put your deposit down, and that's it. We took a step of faith by giving up $50, now MS needs to meet us half-way and deliver these things on time. But if I don't get mine until Jan, then so be it. However, not another penny goes on my deposit until the thing is in my hands. I'm an Xbot, but I'm not a sucker.

[theWacoKid]

What trolling was there in my comment? Because I don't buy Waco's conspiracy theory on reviewers giving so many 70 scores because they don't have HDTV's? Do YOU believe that wild-eyed delusion? I made no anti-360 statement; I don't come here to make those, even if it were valid to do so.

WTF am I doing here? I'm a gamer interested in gaming systems, the gaming industry (including hardware launches whether I plan to early-adopt or not, and people's opinions. If you could please tell me why you are acting like a thumb-sucking two year old when I have made zero system comparisons (like Waco's PsP vs 360 whining below) or anti-360 posts in the Xbox forum, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks.

If I were trolling, your response would be warranted, but I've played the 360 demo's and have as much right as you do to post my opinions of those in the Xbox forum.

Should I quote you and your view on the 360 hardware, xbox gamers in general and your view of the launch lineup. Does anything more need to be said by you. The xbox 360 is a ripoff, the games are unoriginal deck, we're all mountain dew boyz. Got it, you can leave now and don't let the door hit your hypocritical sanctimonous ass on the way out. If it waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, its a duck, and you sir, are the defintion of a troll.

There should be at least one place here, where we don't have to deal with your bs and monumental double standards, your glorification of "original" games, you know like a video pinball game and an effing kart racer we all played 10 fricking years ago just because you're "touched." Btw, when are all those RTS games for the DS coming out that you were predicting would be the rage on the DS. So far, I've seen exactly, oh... NONE! So much for your progostication skills, einstein.

This isn't the system wars forum, you have NO interest in the system, and you have no interest in other people's opinions other than your own and those that coincide with yours like your lap dog pet trebone. Thus, there is NO reason for you to be here. Bore the crap out of the DS guys with your gushing reviews over your latest DS game discovery and nintendo's amazing creativity and how the revolution controller will invigorate the chinese wok cooking gaming market.

Here on this forum, we're mindless mountain dew guzzling hillbillies, intersted in biting the heads off chickens and racing around the block to hard rock country music. And damn proud of it, I may add.

You're a joke gazoo, you really are, someone let's off a little steam and vents and you think I'm having trouble sleeping at night. Over frickin what. Tell me why you're here? Why? I know one of the reasons you're lounging around the xbox forum. You've got a 32 Sharp Aquos Lcd hdtv, wouldn't those 720p games look pretty on that set. Now, how do I swing buying 360 on launch day and not look a complete and utter phony and ruin my standing as pre-eminent poster on the VGR gaming boards. Maybe one of the guys here who's not an obnoxious xbot will rave about a game and I can justify in mind a purchase.

The primary difference between you and me, is I don't give a good goddamn what anybody thinks of me here or how they see my purchases. Its my frickin money, I earned it and I'll spend it the way I see fit. And I tell everybody here to do the same. i'm not out here looking to convert cult members to the church of the gazoo like you are, looking to see if I can influence people to my point of view. My thing has always been, think for yourself. You, you're a born manipulater, for some reason ifs important to you to turn people like a bloody vampire to your way of thinking.

I like the 360 hardware, I think its great hardware, you don't like it, you think its a ripoff, you think we're stupid for ponying up 400 dollars, up yours! I"m stoked for COD2, and I love what I've seen on madden. PGR3 incockpit view is mondo cool, so is Gotham TV and Condemned looks great.

The reviewers are being pissers. EA and third parties have had only a few months with final dev kits, they did what they could, and what EA has done is quite amazing given the situation. MS isn't rushing the hardware anymore than Nintendo rushed the DS hardware. The difference is that nintendo launched with 6 titles and all but two were utter crap, so don't come in here and hold your nose up like Nintendo is some paragon company and something effin special. Because their launch stink, stank, stunk, and we're talking easy to develop low asset games and the legendary nintendo still effin choked. MS did an incredible job compared to effn nintendo when you compare the two.

What's happened is what happens with a launch in your home territory. This isn't like the ps2 launch where the final hardware was out eight months in another territory before making it to NA and western developes had all the time to familiarize themselves with the hardware. If MS delayed the launch now, they might as well have delayed till next year same time. You don't sit on hardware that's done, you release it. For better or worse, you put it out. They managed far better than I ever imagined they would. I didn't think there were capable of putting the system out this year or the game lineup they've managed to field for launch.

They get my respect and my money. It's not going all smooth but they've crossed the first hurdle and they have nothing to be ashamed of. This is a start not a finish. Don't like the 360, frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

[Gadfly2317]

Here on this forum, we're mindless mountain dew guzzling hillbillies, intersted in biting the heads off chickens and racing around the block to hard rock country music. And damn proud of it, I may add.
In sys wars, yes, some exaggerated smack talk. I have never brought that to the xbox forum. Nor do I engage in epic sized posting flame wars in the Ps2, GC or Xbox forums.

you have NO interest in the system, Of course I do. I have interest in all aspects of electronic gaming, even if one system has earned less respect from me than others, less doesn't mean zero.

I like a number of things about the hardware and its potential, even if I think the launch lineup is filled with over priced cliches. But I never realized disagreeing that there was some sort of reviewer conspiracy theory centered around reviewers not having HDTV's--accounting for the mediocre scoring mediocre games--was going to really inflame anyone. It was like pointing out someone has their skirt tucked into their pantyhose--merely polite and meant to save the person further embarrasment.

[Gadfly2317]

After some thought, I won't post here if it is going to cause too many personality problems. I do respect, and am interested, in the opinions of this sites participants, which is why I check out the xbox forum occasionally. . .more frequently lately with a new system coming out.

[Darwin]

Waco does not represent the sentiment of the majority of us Xbots. His comments towards you (Gadfly) were totally unwaranted. You started no argument or flame in this thread, but he fealt the need to start it up anyway.

I finally got a chance to mess around with a 260 kiosk. Pretty impressed with what I saw with Call of Duty 2. However, it didn't seem like it was significantly better than Brothers in Arms (except for the graphics). If I had a 360 at launch (which it looks like I probably won't), I would get Call of Duty 2 just for the novelty factor of having a shooter for 360. PGR3 is the main game I am anticipating.

[Glockstar]

To Moodfly2317,

Well, judging by your second-of two replies it looks like you do have a little reading comprehension - in that you got what I was getting at.

But you're still full of $#!%. Mochan has explicit interest in the 360 - expressly for the Oblivion and the J-RPG games; and MaskedGamer is just like me, he's getting one for sure - just not sure when exactly... it could be this month, or next month, or next year. TMG and I have a specific interest in how the Day 1/Week 1 launch goes because we perceive it to have an effect on when we get one. Or rather, when we try to get one.

Everybody can tell, by your comments in all of the other forums, that you are not getting one. In fact, judging by those aforementioned comments, you already seem to know everything you need to know about the 360 and it's launch lineup - and it's future lineup. (You say you 'have an open-mind and that you buying a 360 is still a possibility', but everybody knows your openness is a fake and that there's nothing probable about it.) You have nothing meaningful to share in this thread. So why post? Again, the question: what are you even doing in here?

The answer - we all know: You are a Troll. It's as simple as that.

And please, spare me...
WTF am I doing here? I'm a gamer interested in gaming systems, the gaming industry (including hardware launches whether I plan to early-adopt or not, and people's opinions. ...

You are not a gamer. And you especially aren't one who's interested in all gaming sytems. What you are is liar. You even lie to yourself about which games you like! You're a Nintendo "gamer" - and that's it. Or, to be more precise, you are one who only likes what other people don't. You are going to be different, just to be different. But there is otherwise no truth in anything you do. TMG nailed it, you are obstinate.

You are the least credible poster here. Which normally wouldn't bother me, but you don't just stop there, you'll purposely tank a discussion by sending it so far off topic that all semblance of the original, normal, meaningful, gaming-related discussion will be lost forever. Like Moody used to do. And like what you've just done now.

If I were trolling, your response would be warranted, but I've played the 360 demo's and have as much right as you do to post my opinions of those in the Xbox forum.

Case in point. What the flock do demos have to do with the status of your 360 pre-order?! #@$%ing Moody, I swear.

[slade]

Darwin's a flamer. He specifically called a 360, a 260.

I finally got a chance to mess around with a 260 kiosk.

That's like, X-box1.7222222222...

[Gadfly2317]

To

You are not a gamer. And you especially aren't one who's interested in all gaming sytems. What you are is liar. You even lie to yourself about which games you like! What do you base that on? You are simply wrong. What games have I said I like that you, with your psychic powers, no that I didn't really like?


Case in point. What the flock do demos have to do with the status of your 360 pre-order?! #@$%ing Moody, I swear.

Demos having nothing to do with the pre-order thread; I was referring in general to my right to share my opinions in the xbox forum; I've read as much and played as much 360 as you guys, thus my opinion is valid. You ask why I posted in this thread since I'm not pre-ordering (but then neither are Mochan or TMG). . . this thread was already off topic with Whacko's rant about the PsP vs 360 review scores; I simply responded to something that already existed in the thread: A paraniod assertion that reviewers were giving poor scores because they don't have HDTV's. So who was the Moody that took the thread off topic? I mean geez, I contributed a two sentence comment on Whacko's off-topic assertion. I ask you again, what the hell is your problem?

[Gadfly2317]

Darwin's a flamer. He specifically called a 360, a 260.



That's like, X-box1.7222222222...

Now this just isn't fair! How come Slade get's to read and post in the Xbox forums without being flamed to death by Glockster. . . .he's never even owned an Xbox!

[theWacoKid]

Waco does not represent the sentiment of the majority of us Xbots. His comments towards you (Gadfly) were totally unwaranted. You started no argument or flame in this thread, but he fealt the need to start it up anyway.


I'm a bad egg, what can I say, the vgr bullly boy. Hey, blame it all on me. I don't care. If anyone wants start a petition to have me banned, go ahead, I'll even sign it and endorse it. Poor little gazoo, I'm practically shedding a tear here, however will I live with myself. He's so noble, even offering to leave the forum. Wow, what a guy, what a trooper, what a superior human being. I think I should just leave this forums once and for all, this was all my fault. I sorely do feel ashamed for my behavior towards him.

Well, okay, not really. But, if he can make out with a phony baloney noble speech taking one for the team, then so can I.

[Darwin]

Darwin's a flamer. He specifically called a 360, a 260.

That's like, X-box1.7222222222...

Hey, don't blame me. The BestBuy employee kept calling it that. :-)

Seriously, though, as I and others were standing there looking/playing the kiosk, there were a few people in the background saying stuff like, "Yo that is ill" and "that **** is tight". I just shrugged it off as being some kind of rice-boy thing. Then one guy calls his girlfriend on his cell and starts talking about how he's looking at the new 360, the one they saw on the internet. All this didn't seem too out of place, so I thought nothing of it at that point. I then went onward to look for some new earbuds and the latest King's-X CD. Then as I'm walking back past the kiosk, I see the same people in the backgroung sporting the same EXACT catchphrases, and that same guy calls his girlfriend again. I'm like, WFT, is this ground-hog day? I'm wondering if those people work for MS or BestBuy and were there to drum up a buzz about the 360 to attract attention from shoppers.

The BestBuy employee was talking to me as I was playing COD2, pretending like he was giving me the "inside information". He was like, "Yo, many people don't realize this, but we're getting like 50 or so of them on Tuesday." Somehow I doubt his number.

[Gadfly2317]

Well, okay, not really. But, if he can make out with a phony baloney noble speech taking one for the team, then so can I.

Nothing noble; I barely post here anyway; I've been reading lately because I'm just honestly interested in the opinions of all the early adopters of the 360. If my posting here is going to cause personality issues and drive off posters like Glockstar, it's purely self-interest on my part to not stir up any crap here, because I'd like to see lots of posting here.

I'm just finishing the conversation; I really don't intend to post here anymore, unless the improbable happens and I buy a 360. Flame on in Sys Wars, but down here in the console-specific forums, peace man.

[trebor]

This isn't the system wars forum, you have NO interest in the system, and you have no interest in other people's opinions other than your own and those that coincide with yours like your lap dog pet trebone.

Lap dog pet, huh? I haven't even posted in this thread and you still feel the need to bring me into this? You're an effin' TOOL.

Since you felt the need to spew a "zinger" in my direction, I'll take that as your personal invitation to join this conversation.



There should be at least one place here, where we don't have to deal with your bs and monumental double standards, your glorification of "original" games, you know like a video pinball game and an effing kart racer we all played 10 fricking years ago just because you're "touched."

Speaking of double-standards, Tool, it's funny of you to imply a kart racer "we all played 10 fricking years ago" as being unoriginal, yet you are acting like a whiney baby when Madden 360 is getting mediocre at best reviews - which is another game we played 10 fricken years ago. If Madden 06 on the 360 is exactly the same thing that's on PS2, GC, and Xbox, but with prettier visuals, why should it deserve a good review?

Did you ever stop to think that perhaps reviewers have decided to learn from past next-gen game review mistakes? Like as in how most launch titles in the PS2 era got more then generous reviews, simply because they looked prettier? Well it turned out that a lot of the launch titles from this gen turned out to be duds despite having recieved high reviews.

I, for one, am impressed that most reviewers have shown more restraint and have looked past the shiny exterior to see if these "next-gen" games are truly next-gen or not. If you're going to be paying $60 for new titles, don't you want to know if what you're buying is worthy of being next-gen? Or is it ok to pay more for current gen games that look pretty and play on next gen systems?

Frankly, if one is going to be paying $400 for a Next Gen experience, one should demand a true Next Gen experience. Not a glossy version of what they can already get.

[theWacoKid]

Lap dog pet, huh? I haven't even posted in this thread and you still feel the need to bring me into this? You're an effin' TOOL.

Since you felt the need to spew a "zinger" in my direction, I'll take that as your personal invitation to join this conversation.
.

Oh, piss off, you've been itching for the chance to come in and defend your lover, gazoo, so don't make out how I dragged your ass into this, you hypocritical little toad. And your impressions on anything not nintendo are irrelevant. You've been sucking on nintendo's teat for years. You're the ultimate nintendo stooge. You wouldnt' know how to be impartal or objective concerning another system if your life depended on it.

Take your tail, put it between your legs and bark off to the DS forums where you and gazoo can lick each other down and bask in nintendo goodness. Frankly, when I stop by there, I find the overall spectacle sickening, its like I've interrupted some clandestine love tryst.

Consider yourself warned, both you and gazoo can bugger off, otherwise, I'll come into the DS forums like the bull in the proverbial china shop and make a shambles of it. And, as I actually have a DS, I will actually have a right to be there and experess an opinion.

Hey, how's that 12 digit friends code working out, talk about user friendly. Go, nintendo, 4 player online, woot. Uh, four players, yikes, is that frickin lame or what. I thought nintendo was going to revolutionize online play. Guess not. Oh, well, maybe next year. The DS will revolutionize RTS games! Woot. Uh, well,... not yet, no. The DS will revolutionize first person shooters! Woot. Still waiting on that one, too. Damn. And the most popular best selling critically acclaimed titles on the DS are just enhanced gba games that make marginal use of the keen-o super duper DS functions. Oh, well, its still early.

[trebor]

Oh, piss off, you've been itching for the chance to come in and defend your lover, gazoo, so don't make out how I dragged your ass into this, you hypocritical little toad. And your impressions on anything not nintendo are irrelevant. You've been sucking on nintendo's teat for years. You're the ultimate nintendo stooge. You wouldnt' know how to be impartal or objective concerning another system if your life depended on it.

Take your tail, put it between your legs and bark off to the DS forums where you and gazoo can lick each other down and bask in nintendo goodness. Frankly, when I stop by there, I find the overall spectacle sickening, its like I've interrupted some clandestine love tryst.

That might have hurt if I respected your opinion.



Consider yourself warned, both you and gazoo can bugger off, otherwise, I'll come into the DS forums like the bull in the proverbial china shop and make a shambles of it. And, as I actually have a DS, I will actually have a right to be there and experess an opinion.

You can go and "experess" wherever and whatever you want, as far as I care. What an "experess" is, of course, another issue.



Hey, how's that 12 digit friends code working out, talk about user friendly. Go, nintendo, 4 player online, woot. Uh, four players, yikes, is that frickin lame or what. I thought nintendo was going to revolutionize online play. Guess not. Oh, well, maybe next year. The DS will revolutionize RTS games! Woot. Uh, well,... not yet, no. The DS will revolutionize first person shooters! Woot. Still waiting on that one, too. Damn. And the most popular best selling critically acclaimed titles on the DS are just enhanced gba games that make marginal use of the keen-o super duper DS functions. Oh, well, its still early.

Not too happy with your DS purchase, huh? Well, it's good to see you're continuing your trend of buying hardware that will disappoint you with your 360 purchase.

[slade]

Now this just isn't fair! How come Slade get's to read and post in the Xbox forums without being flamed to death by Glockster. . . .he's never even owned an Xbox!

Read the tag. I am their Hero.