MS's Allard invented Nintendo controller, then slams idea!

[Gadfly2317]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=12101

God, this arrogant bald buttlick J. Allard. He claims he came up with the idea for the Revolution controller years ago (because its such a cool idea for things he'd like to do) but wasn't able to sell his vision, so now he's dissing the control, yet later in the interview goes on to say MS might later introduce a similar control of its own. THEN, he cries about how EA games will need standard control, without ever mentioning that the Rev ALSO INCLUDES STANDARD CONTROL. THEN THEN THEN, he claims "consumers like options." Yeah, WHO has control options, you snivelling biyatch?

You want to read a schizophrenic retarded defensive hsyterically funny interview, in which he also has to try and fend off all the sh!t third parties have given them about the non-standard hard-drive. . . I mean, this is classic INCOMPETENCE. I'm supposed to fork over $400 + $60 a game to THIS company for WHAT?

Xbox VP questions Nintendo, defends decision to offer two Xbox 360 bundles

Xbox corporate VP J Allard has criticised Nintendo's "freestyle" Revolution controller, claiming that he had a similar idea which was rejected after consultation with gamers and developers.

Speaking to US website Gameinformer, Allard said the controller was "Well intentioned" but argued that he couldn't see it being used to play sports or racing games.

"I don't think most Electronic Arts games are going to be played with that thing, I think they're going to be designed for the classic controller," he added.

"Four years ago I wrote an email treaty and said, 'Why aren't accelerometers in remote controls? Why can't I scroll down my channel guide with a gesture instead of up, up, up, up?"" Allard revealed.

"We did a lot of research with gamers, talked to a lot of game developers and said, 'Should we put an accelerometer in there and do the tilt thing?' And there wasn't that much enthusiasm around it."

Allard did note that the Xbox 360 remote control features A, B, X and Y buttons, and confirmed that "You're going to be able to play casual games on Live Arcade with the remote control."

He also conceded that Nintendo could make good use of the controller in first party games, and that it could prove a hit with gamers as a result. He went on to praise Nintendo for its innovation, suggesting that Microsoft might also consider producing a simplified controller in the future.

"Remote control, that's great," Allard said. "Let's take it one step further and do a simple controller. We've talked about it. I like the idea."

But that doesn't mean Allard is sold on Nintendo's version - "I don't know if I like the implementation because it ain't my remote."

"How am I going to watch a movie on Revolution? Am I going to have a different remote than that or am I going to have to use the four colored buttons?"

Allard's comments suggest he is less keen on the Revolution controller than fellow Xbox VP Peter Moore - speaking to GamesIndustry.biz at the Tokyo Game Show last month, Moore said he wanted to "give kudos" to Nintendo, adding that he could see how the device might bring lapsed gamers back to gaming and attract new consumers.

Allard hit back at critics of Microsoft's decision to offer two versions of the Xbox 360 in a separate interview with Edge Online, claiming that the move will be welcomed by consumers.

"Consumers like choice, and it's a very pro-consumer move on our part," he told the website.

"You buy the Xbox 360 Core system, you can build up to the premium system and you won't be left out of anything along the way. You can pace into this however you want, unlike any of the traditional categories," he said, citing the iPod Shuffle as an example of a piece of technology that can't be upgraded - leaving consumers who want an iPod Photo "screwed."

"There isn't a game on 360 that you can't play without a hard drive, so I think that's a good thing for consumers. We've made a commitment to broadening the audience," Allard stated.

He went to concede that some developers may have been disgruntled to learn that not all Xbox 360 consoles would come with a hard drive as standard, telling Edge Online: " Sometimes doing the right thing means doing the hard thing."

"Are there developers who are disappointed? Yeah, sure... It was a difficult one. I was the biggest fan of the hard drive and its potential, but the problem is that we sold 22 million Xbox consoles and 5 million, maybe 10 million just don't care about it."

But Microsoft picked up the tab for those unused hard drives, Allard pointed out - which raised the question of who should pay this time around.

"We can either ask the gamer to pay for it, pay for it ourselves, or prove that there's enough value in it and have the gamer say 'I want to pay for it'," he said, adding: "I think that's the right model."

"You know, being first you sometimes get some crap, and we've had some crap," Allard concluded.

"But I think it's very pro-consumer and very pro-developer, and I think that in five years everybody will look back and say that this was a very, very good move on our part to launch worldwide and to have the flexibility for consumers to decide on their products."

[Mochan]

Nutcase.

[trebor]

What an unbelievable jackass.

"Four years ago I wrote an email treaty and said, 'Why aren't accelerometers in remote controls? Why can't I scroll down my channel guide with a gesture instead of up, up, up, up?"" Allard revealed.

"We did a lot of research with gamers, talked to a lot of game developers and said, 'Should we put an accelerometer in there and do the tilt thing?' And there wasn't that much enthusiasm around it."

Yeah, um, in 1998 I had the idea to throw a bunch of PC parts into a black box the size of a VCR from 1984 and sell it as a game console, but then I decided not to. It was my idea. Me. All mine.

"You buy the Xbox 360 Core system, you can build up to the premium system and you won't be left out of anything along the way. You can pace into this however you want, unlike any of the traditional categories," he said, citing the iPod Shuffle as an example of a piece of technology that can't be upgraded - leaving consumers who want an iPod Photo "screwed."

Except a more appropriate analogy is people buying the iPod Photo only getting the functionality of an iPod Shuffle, because developers aren't going to support the non-standard Photo functionality.

[Gadfly2317]

I just want to address one more specific thing from this interview: " he had a similar idea which was rejected after consultation with gamers and developers."

OK, which have been the greatest films of all times. . those that adhered to the vision of the artist, or those that have been tailored to screen tests, polling, and market research? Can you imagine if Mark Twains Huckleberry Finn had gone through a "consultation process" prior to being published??????!!!!!!!!

Creative people should stick to their principles. Imagine if Allard and MS had the balls to push an innovative idea, instead of cowering and collapsing because "gamers and developers" didn't immediately understand their idea.

I'm not saying companies shouldn't listen to gamers and what they want. LIke Nintendo: Hey, we WANT TO PLAY ANIMAL CROSSING AND MARIO KART ONLINE. Ballsy stubborn company that follows its own vision, thank god its finally listening. But giving us things we want is different than trashing their own artistic vision because a "test group of retarded f**king american consumers didn't immediately comprehend it" would be a display of the sick empty soul that is corporate america. Thank god the big gaming comapnies are not American.

Example: If Nintendo were like MS, we would have no DS. Do you guys not remember how many gamers were appalled at the idea? But do you see how many people now understand the idea? Humans hate change. I'm the same way. I love the website www.salon.com, and was appalled recently when they changed the website's layout and design because I was used to interacting with it in a certain way. But with a little time and thought, I understand the design and it makes sense. Businesses afraid to follow their vision and grow and change are DEAD. MS is, and has long been, DEAD. If you don't believe it, read Trebor's relevant link in the other related thread.

MS is unable to lead, innovate or take risks. Period. They are a copy-cat company who squash internal creativity. This is NOT the company I want to support or see dominate videogames. I love videogames, have since I was a wee twerp; there's a reason I'm so passionate about this topic. If the 360 succeeds at all, it's only through luck and third parties bailing them out.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

MS is unable to lead, innovate or take risks. Period. They are a copy-cat company who squash internal creativity. This is NOT the company I want to support or see dominate videogames. I love videogames, have since I was a wee twerp; there's a reason I'm so passionate about this topic. If the 360 succeeds at all, it's only through luck and third parties bailing them out.


Man, you live and die based off what these executives say. Who cares about Allard or Moore, everybody knows XBOX is Bungie, Ubisoft, Bioware. If it wasn't for the developers Allard would be in the unemployment line. I don't care about executive comments and it is funny to laugh at them, but don't your an idiot to judge the 360 based on Allard's comments. I'll judge the 360 on Mass Effect and Oblivion and Too Human and Gears of War and Halo3. You can sit back and miss out, again, on real good games. Its your nose.

And another thing about this controller. It is amazing to me that people are ready to propel Revolution into the stars based off a controller design. Nobody has seen one game yet. Let me tell you, Nintendo is the one that has to make up to gamers, so they gotta prove that their games are gonna be hot, not some controller design. A motion controller don't mean jack without the hot games to use it on. So if their games prove to be as good as 360 or PS3, then i'll start giving them some credit, but i'm not going to do it based off a controller design.

This site is pretty weird too. I mean, if you don't have HD games, if you don't Blu-ray or HD-DVD disc capacity, if you don't have 3rd party support, its all good, as long as you have a "good" controller.

So MS is a copy cat company, well I don't see MS copying anybody in the console business. They are leading their own way. They didn't wait on Nintendo to see what was going on with next gen, they didn't wait on PS3, they came up with 360 independent of what anybody else was doing, they didn't copy a PC graphics card, they designed their own, they continue to evolve XBOX LIVE, they designed their controller on their own based off no one elses design, they announced standard wireless controllers, standard HD gaming, way before Sony announced anything. And it is Nintendo saying they slept on online gaming and that was a mistake, doh! So I'm sorry, I don't see anything going on in the XBOX camp that is dependent on what Sony and Nintendo is doing, MS seems to have a plan of their own and they are working their plan right now. Everybody said don't launch now, they did and now people are saying it is gonna gain them marketshare and Sony better hurry up. Everybody said you gotta include a free hardrive, they said nope did that once before, and now they are projecting profitablity after the first year. They ditched Nvidia and Sony ran behind them to get their sloppy seconds. We haven't seen one nextgen system drop yet, and already you are claiming there is nothing knew and no innovation on the system. Meanwhile, the only game anybody can talk about on PS3 is Metal Gear. At launch I can count a whole bunch of new games on 360, PD0, Kameo, Gun, Gears of War, Too Human, Condemned, 99 Knights, Mass Effect, Dark Sector, they have got so many new projects in the works I can't even remember them all and the system hasn't even launched. So you really need to be quiet right now cause every accusation you make is really not sticking right now. Where are all the new games announced for Revolution? I can guess whats coming buddy, Mario, Star Fox, Smash Brothers, Zelda, Metroid, F-zero, oh and then the motion based games, well this is going to be really really predictable, umm how about Mario Fishing, Donky Kong bowling, Nintendo Baseball, I mean come on it is so predictable where they are going to go with this controller. Nintendo use to have imagination, but look around man, that was decades ago.

[trebor]

So MS is a copy cat company, well I don't see MS copying anybody in the console business. They are leading their own way. They didn't wait on Nintendo to see what was going on with next gen, they didn't wait on PS3...

WTF drugs are you on, dude?!?! They didn't wait on PS3? PUH-LEAZE!

M$'s entire strategy with the 360 revolves around them squirting it out in a panicked manner so as to get it on store shelves before the PS3 hits. M$ knew that the 360 wouldn't have a freaking chance to beat the PS3 unless they got it out first - this ain't conjecture, this is FACT.

Perhaps M$ IS too arrogant to care about what Nintendo is doing, but sure as sh!t they are in a frenzied state over what Sony is doing.

[Mochan]

This site is pretty weird too. I mean, if you don't have HD games, if you don't Blu-ray or HD-DVD disc capacity, if you don't have 3rd party support, its all good, as long as you have a "good" controller.

I've lambasted the Rev for not having HD support, and I have expressed concerns over whether it will be able to garner 3rd party support or not.


So MS is a copy cat company, well I don't see MS copying anybody in the console business. They are leading their own way.

Psst! They copyied the PC.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Psst! They copyied the PC.

Notice I said MS copied nobody in the console business.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

WTF drugs are you on, dude?!?! They didn't wait on PS3? PUH-LEAZE!

M$'s entire strategy with the 360 revolves around them squirting it out in a panicked manner so as to get it on store shelves before the PS3 hits. M$ knew that the 360 wouldn't have a freaking chance to beat the PS3 unless they got it out first - this ain't conjecture, this is FACT.

Perhaps M$ IS too arrogant to care about what Nintendo is doing, but sure as sh!t they are in a frenzied state over what Sony is doing.


I didnt say anything about fear, can you read? I said copy. Plus, I don't know if MS is fearful of Sony. I mean they survived the worse. Launching the XBOX from nothing is a hell of a lot scarier than launching 360. If u recall XBOX had no industry support, no Japanese support, no EA support, zip zero. Hell now the 360 has as much if not more industry support than PS3. I don't know what now there is to fear. 360 will do at least as well as the XBOX did, and if they do that they will be profitable with a control on cost. The thing is now, people expect 360 to do better than XBOX. So I don't know what there is to fear. If they control cost and sell software like they did in the past, then they should be profitable and increase marketshare. I think Sony is the one who is fearful, they have everything riding on PS3 and everything to lose.

People keep saying MS is panicking and rushing the next gneration. Seems to me that I've heard a lot of developers and publishers and retailers begging MS to be ready by the holiday's 2005. I've heard a lot of developers begging for more powerful systems. So it seems to me that everybody is ready for the nextgen except the dinosaurs on this site. Launches always have deadlines, business is about timing. You can't just loaf along all the time and have a surfer boy's mentality about business. This XMAS little Johnny isn't going to care that PD0 doesn't have a TV mode or that PGR3 doesn't run at 60 fps. But if little Johnny can't buy PGR3 for XMAS, 3 months later his parents or uncle probably is not going to say, "Ohhhhh Johnny, remember that game u wanted, but we had to wait? Well surprise here it is!"

Despite our fanboy ravings here, this is big business a billion dollar industry and it can't be run only for the fanboys on this site, myself included. MS has to come toward the center a little bit and start trying to grab some of the casual fans that suck up to Sony so hard. Do I like it? No, I mean I wish the system was hardcore all the time. But I understand what they gotta do. Its not about fear and emotion, it is about strategy. You think they rushed along ATI in developing their custom chip, I don't think so. I think they planned the system and ran a tight ship and took advantage of their competitors goofing off with handhelds and trojan horse movie formats.

[Gadfly2317]

Notice I said MS copied nobody in the console business.

But of course they did. MS was not in the business of home game consoles. When they decided to try and take over this market (as they have taken over so many) they totally copied the existing model right down to the dual analog stick. Right down to trying to copy the types of games, like finding themselves a Mascot in Blinx.

If you'll recall way back when they were first entering the console business they took the same approach to try and achieve dominance they always do: use monopolositc clout and deep pockets. MS strategy was to make the most powerful console, sell at a huge loss, and they would make the money on Live. They always assumed gamers would snap up the more powerful system in droves. And then LIVE was their key to your pocket book. Problem is, they didn't achieve enough systems sales or Live subscribers to make this strategy succeed.

So this time around, they are going to the opposite extreme; less powerful and over-priced. This has also been predicted that once MS got its claws into people it would try to bleed them dry. $400 console price--sorry, that sucks. Not for this console. I know they need to be profitable, and I'm glad they've designed a system that won't leave them bleeding the way Xbox did, but they dont need to charge $400 to be profitable.

No copying? Every genre on the Xbox is a copycat. Eyetoy, innovative controllers, new types of games. . . nothing yet from the Xbox team that makes me respect or admire them as a gamer. Since I love games, I would love to be proven wrong, love to see MS pull a magic rabbit out of their ass in the form of some amazing new type of game that makes my jaw drop and go "holy crap, I've never experienced anything like that in a game before." I know I have exceedingly high expectations, but if MS can meet that with even just a title or two, I'll tone it down, and maybe even pick up a 360. If it's any comfort, no developer has shown a Ps3 game yet that meets that criteria for me.

And you are right, I cut Rev a lot of slack, from the lower power to the disk medium (though I AM highly dissaponted that they're considering capping at 480p res.) I don't cut 360 that slack because it is competing directly with Ps3 for the hi-tech-but-same-old gaming experience.

I cut Rev that slack on their hardware because it is designed to deliver a different type of experience; their hardware design shows the most potential for delivering new game experiences. Some people want prettier Madden and I'm cool with that. Some people want to do something new in gaming they've never done. If Revolution really doesn't give us anything but things you guys joke about like "Mario Fishing" I will be dissapointed. But based on the kind of stuff they and third parties are doing with DS, and based on the praise Rev has gotten from everyone from Square to Peter Molyneux, there's damned good reason to at least be optimistic, if still cautious.

The Revolution doesn't need to wow us with every hair in mario's mustache individually rendered and casting real-time shadows. It only needs to wow us with new gameplay.

[GameLegend]

I forgot how innovative MS really was. *looks gazed.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

I forgot how innovative MS really was. *looks gazed.

No, its the XBOX. I mean you talk about copy cats, to me it seems like Nintendo is just offering a weak XBOX with a motion controller next generation. Minus the hardrive and good games of course.

[Gadfly2317]

No, its the XBOX. I mean you talk about copy cats, to me it seems like Nintendo is just offering a weak XBOX with a motion controller next generation. Minus the hardrive and good games of course.

And you forgot minus the "ring of light." You know, one ring to rule them all, or maybe just to let you know you are kissing Bill Gate's glowing sphincter.

"Seems like Nintendo is offering a weak xbox." God, you kill me. I mean seriously, I'm laughing so hard at you I just blew a big snot on my monitor. I'll scrape it off and mail it too you. I'm sure you'll like playing with it---it's a totally innovative snot, great resolution--and you should have seen the particle effects when it lauched--Nintendo could only hope to create a weak copy of this glorious green booger.

[Zilla Man]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=12101

God, this arrogant bald buttlick J. Allard. He claims he came up with the idea for the Revolution controller years ago (because its such a cool idea for things he'd like to do) but wasn't able to sell his vision, so now he's dissing the control, yet later in the interview goes on to say MS might later introduce a similar control of its own. THEN, he cries about how EA games will need standard control, without ever mentioning that the Rev ALSO INCLUDES STANDARD CONTROL. THEN THEN THEN, he claims "consumers like options." Yeah, WHO has control options, you snivelling biyatch?

You want to read a schizophrenic retarded defensive hsyterically funny interview, in which he also has to try and fend off all the sh!t third parties have given them about the non-standard hard-drive. . . I mean, this is classic INCOMPETENCE. I'm supposed to fork over $400 + $60 a game to THIS company for WHAT?

Xbox VP questions Nintendo, defends decision to offer two Xbox 360 bundles

Xbox corporate VP J Allard has criticised Nintendo's "freestyle" Revolution controller, claiming that he had a similar idea which was rejected after consultation with gamers and developers.

Speaking to US website Gameinformer, Allard said the controller was "Well intentioned" but argued that he couldn't see it being used to play sports or racing games.

"I don't think most Electronic Arts games are going to be played with that thing, I think they're going to be designed for the classic controller," he added.

"Four years ago I wrote an email treaty and said, 'Why aren't accelerometers in remote controls? Why can't I scroll down my channel guide with a gesture instead of up, up, up, up?"" Allard revealed.

"We did a lot of research with gamers, talked to a lot of game developers and said, 'Should we put an accelerometer in there and do the tilt thing?' And there wasn't that much enthusiasm around it."

Allard did note that the Xbox 360 remote control features A, B, X and Y buttons, and confirmed that "You're going to be able to play casual games on Live Arcade with the remote control."

He also conceded that Nintendo could make good use of the controller in first party games, and that it could prove a hit with gamers as a result. He went on to praise Nintendo for its innovation, suggesting that Microsoft might also consider producing a simplified controller in the future.

"Remote control, that's great," Allard said. "Let's take it one step further and do a simple controller. We've talked about it. I like the idea."

But that doesn't mean Allard is sold on Nintendo's version - "I don't know if I like the implementation because it ain't my remote."

"How am I going to watch a movie on Revolution? Am I going to have a different remote than that or am I going to have to use the four colored buttons?"

Allard's comments suggest he is less keen on the Revolution controller than fellow Xbox VP Peter Moore - speaking to GamesIndustry.biz at the Tokyo Game Show last month, Moore said he wanted to "give kudos" to Nintendo, adding that he could see how the device might bring lapsed gamers back to gaming and attract new consumers.

Allard hit back at critics of Microsoft's decision to offer two versions of the Xbox 360 in a separate interview with Edge Online, claiming that the move will be welcomed by consumers.

"Consumers like choice, and it's a very pro-consumer move on our part," he told the website.

"You buy the Xbox 360 Core system, you can build up to the premium system and you won't be left out of anything along the way. You can pace into this however you want, unlike any of the traditional categories," he said, citing the iPod Shuffle as an example of a piece of technology that can't be upgraded - leaving consumers who want an iPod Photo "screwed."

"There isn't a game on 360 that you can't play without a hard drive, so I think that's a good thing for consumers. We've made a commitment to broadening the audience," Allard stated.

He went to concede that some developers may have been disgruntled to learn that not all Xbox 360 consoles would come with a hard drive as standard, telling Edge Online: " Sometimes doing the right thing means doing the hard thing."

"Are there developers who are disappointed? Yeah, sure... It was a difficult one. I was the biggest fan of the hard drive and its potential, but the problem is that we sold 22 million Xbox consoles and 5 million, maybe 10 million just don't care about it."

But Microsoft picked up the tab for those unused hard drives, Allard pointed out - which raised the question of who should pay this time around.

"We can either ask the gamer to pay for it, pay for it ourselves, or prove that there's enough value in it and have the gamer say 'I want to pay for it'," he said, adding: "I think that's the right model."

"You know, being first you sometimes get some crap, and we've had some crap," Allard concluded.

"But I think it's very pro-consumer and very pro-developer, and I think that in five years everybody will look back and say that this was a very, very good move on our part to launch worldwide and to have the flexibility for consumers to decide on their products."

This is so typical of M$. Proves that they're both creatively bankrupt and arrogant.

Allard is an idiot fanboy who couldn't last two minutes in a real interview. The guy's a Moby/game guru wannabe. His attitude pretty much sums up the whole "Xtreme Mountain Dew/get it 'cause everyone sez it's cool" attitude I hate in the die hard Xbots.

[Zilla Man]

And you forgot minus the "ring of light." You know, one ring to rule them all, or maybe just to let you know you are kissing Bill Gate's glowing sphincter.

"Seems like Nintendo is offering a weak xbox." God, you kill me. I mean seriously, I'm laughing so hard at you I just blew a big snot on my monitor. I'll scrape it off and mail it too you. I'm sure you'll like playing with it---it's a totally innovative snot, great resolution--and you should have seen the particle effects when it lauched--Nintendo could only hope to create a weak copy of this glorious green booger.

Yeah, but can you get the booger on Xbox Live? :rolleyes: Otherwise TMG won't go for it.

[Gadfly2317]

Yeah, but can you get the booger on Xbox Live? :rolleyes: Otherwise TMG won't go for it.

Sorry, no Live. It does have a fully-featured single player mode plus a great multi-player party mode--so no, Xbots wouldn't care for it.

But. . . .

Sadly, I'm gonna have to kick Nintendo in the balls here, before TMG does it, and mention they're bundling Mario Party 7, microphone, and 2 controllers with the GC for $99. Now that's one booger I'm not interested in eating.

[GameLegend]

No, its the XBOX. I mean you talk about copy cats, to me it seems like Nintendo is just offering a weak XBOX with a motion controller next generation. Minus the hardrive and good games of course.

Dear God, do you even read what your fingers have typed? That is soo XBottt minded. Its hard to find any crediabilitiy in fanboys when they think so close minded. Your eyes and ears are shut but your mouth blabbers on! Hello GamerToday's Cousin.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

And you forgot minus the "ring of light." You know, one ring to rule them all, or maybe just to let you know you are kissing Bill Gate's glowing sphincter.

"Seems like Nintendo is offering a weak xbox." God, you kill me. I mean seriously, I'm laughing so hard at you I just blew a big snot on my monitor. I'll scrape it off and mail it too you. I'm sure you'll like playing with it---it's a totally innovative snot, great resolution--and you should have seen the particle effects when it lauched--Nintendo could only hope to create a weak copy of this glorious green booger.

Okay just mail it to your momma's house, that's where u can find me.

Seriously though, Nintendo is pulling a PS2 on us. You are too much in love with Nintendo to see the err of their ways. Sony pulled a PS2 off the heels of the market smashing PSone, and they got away with it facing a new comer with no established identity and a legendary company that is too long in the tooth and tries to get by on past glory. So, Sony could afford to have a crappy machine. Obviously, they can not afford to that now.

Nintendo needs new customers. If you are Nintendo, you do not attract new customers by offering inferior products. You have to do what Microsoft did. I know you think this is going to work because it is going to be cheap and cute, but its not. Do you think Samsung can get by offering non-HDTVs by solely relying on the fact the technology is cheaper? Nintendo is offering a home console by its very nature it needs to be diverse and offer a multitude of games from them and other companies in order to attract gamers. You are giving the Revolution the benefit of the doubt, and your friends on this site too, but the market will not, consumers will not. And based on that lack of consumer confidence, 3rd party developers who have been burned before will not either. And Nintendo just doesn't put out enough 1st party games to do it alone.

To the hardware. I'm being a little bit tongue in cheek, so relax. My gosh you freak out if anybody says anything about your little Revolution. But, it is funny. I mean 480P, hello XBOX did that last cycle. Online gaming, hmmm seen that before from XBOX. They have to do more. You have to be right there with your competitors, this is technology, this isn't clothes. People don't buy last years technology, even if it is priced to move. In fact, that could very well hurt them, because consumers will consider it inferior. It appears that Nintendo thinks they can offer some cheap hardware at a low price and flood the market. Well, they can offer the cheap hardware at a cheap price, but they aren't gonna flood the market. They want mass adoption by consumers, but it won't happen. This is going to be too funny. Sony launching at $500, hell $550 or even $600 would kill a $99 Revolution.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Sorry, no Live. It does have a fully-featured single player mode plus a great multi-player party mode--so no, Xbots wouldn't care for it.

But. . . .

Sadly, I'm gonna have to kick Nintendo in the balls here, before TMG does it, and mention they're bundling Mario Party 7, microphone, and 2 controllers with the GC for $99. Now that's one booger I'm not interested in eating.

Simple and cheap. They are in desperation mode now on the home console front.

[Gadfly2317]

Nintendo needs new customers. If you are Nintendo, you do not attract new customers by offering inferior products. You have to do what Microsoft did. I know you think this is going to work because it is going to be cheap and cute, but its not.

Nintendo needs new customers. If you are Nintendo, you do not attract new customers by offering inferior products.

Look, I kinda of agree with you to an extent; I think a lot of young male American gamers are really superficial, looking merely for the most graphically realistic and violent games they can get their hands on. But, at the same time, what you seem to be suggesting is that Nintendo do exactly what MS and Sony are doing--offer a really expensive console (in Sony's case the Ps3 is projected to lose 2 billion its first 18 months) with no control innovations--or else just get out of the business. I don't think Nintendo would attract the people you are talking about regardless if they put out a system with the processing power of a Ps3, OR sell their games to those same people as a third party company.

You say they can't attract customers by offering "inferior" products. It is not "inferior" just because it doesn't appeal to you. One might also say the DS is inferior to the PsP because it doesn't have as many mhz in the processor, and the PsP LCD screen is bigger and brighter. Yet it IS drawing in new gamers, especially in their home territory. Hell, Brain Training for Adults is STILL in the top ten charts after several months. The DS, with dual screens/dual processors, touch interface, and voice input, rumble pac(to be released bundled with Metroid Pinball, fits in GBA slot). . .those are all technologies that the PsP doesn't have, so in that sense the Psp is technologically "inferior."

But can't you see. . . neither one is "superior" or "inferior" they just offer extremely different gaming experiences, which if you love games is an awesome thing. Don't you think it would suck if all consoles and all handhelds simply provide the exact same hardware configurations? That's one of the Rev's strong points; because it does look so different, gamers are going to mess with it at demo stations, and people buy what appeals to them. IF the system and control actually turn out to be kick ass fun, costs less, and looks great on the screen enough people will buy it make it worth Nintendo's while. Just looking at Zelda on GC makes me pretty certain that the much more powerful Rev will produce graphics that "wow" people. We all know that graphics have reached a point of incrementalism and diminishing returns, and its GAMEPLAY that needs to be focused on.

Just like the DS--which has succeeded--the Rev has the potential to draw in new gamers, appeal to current hardcore Nintendo fans, and appeal to wayward fans with the classic downloads. I have heard many gamers express interest in this--gamers who are not into GC. Like we already said, we'll just have to wait and see how it turns out, but you are over glib in just dismissing the system because you just don't seem to even understand it.

[Zilla Man]

...Sony could afford to have a crappy machine. Obviously, they can not afford to that now.

Yeah, Sony's machine was so "crappy" that, unlike Nintendo, M$ ripped off the basic design (playing DVD's) for Xbox along with stealing the controller design (double shoulder buttons) for the 360. :rolleyes:

What an idiot...