"So TGS could be like E3!"

[Mochan]

Here's a big pile of BS for you XBots:

Speaking to Famitsu magazine, Masatsuka Saeki said that Sony could have presented playable demos if wished. However, the decision was taken to use video footage only since TGS marked the first time the PS3 was being shown on Japanese soil.

He went on to explain that Sony wanted consumers to feel the same level of impact that those in the industry experienced on seeing the PS3 trailers at E3.... Saeki did concede, however, that allowing visitors to actually play the games would have created more of a buzz.

Riiiight.... so, they <i>could've</i> shown demos if they <i>wanted</i> to, but they didn't even though doing so would generate more excitement for the PS3.... so they actually don't want to generate more excitement because they just wanted the Japanese to feel "only" the level fo excitement the Americans had at E3.... <i>right</i>.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=11880

[slade]

Yeah, that's a mess of a justification especially when he concedes that allowing people to actually play would have generated more of a buzz. What makes me a little more apprehensive though is that Sony has cancelled their February event and replaced it with something else that will reportedly surprise gamers. More on that here:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/654/654390p1.html

With no mention of CES, I guess we won't be seeing anything in January.

[Jupiter_x]

Yeah, that's a mess of a justification especially when he concedes that allowing people to actually play would have generated more of a buzz. What makes me a little more apprehensive though is that Sony has cancelled their February event and replaced it with something else that will reportedly surprise gamers. More on that here:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/654/654390p1.html

With no mention of CES, I guess we won't be seeing anything in January.


I hope the big surprise is that they release the system with some killer games. But that probably wont happen.

[Superjoint Ritual]

Sony henchmen, " Did you see the Revolution controller! "

Sony henchman 2, " Yeah, we might be f*cked in Japan. The DS is whooping are ass anyways."

Sony Henchmen, " Don't worry... There's a reason why were not showing any games right now...Let's just say, thank you Nintendo for showing your controller early!"

Both henchman in unison, " Mwhuauauauaua!"

[mandark]

Sony henchmen, " Did you see the Revolution controller! "

Sony henchman 2, " Yeah, we might be f*cked in Japan. The DS is whooping are ass anyways."

Sony Henchmen, " Don't worry... There's a reason why were not showing any games right now...Let's just say, thank you Nintendo for showing your controller early!"

Both henchman in unison, " Mwhuauauauaua!"
Although doable I don't see Sony or MS copying Nintendo's new controller, at least this generation. It would mean Sony and MS will have to recode everything just to make the "remote" work! Maybe when the PS4 and the Xbox720 comes out Nintendo's controller will be adopted by all consoles.

[Mochan]

Sony and MS will adopt it only if Nintendo makes a big splash with it.

[trebor]

Based on my understanding, Nintendo has every patent under the sun concerning their new controller - if M$ and Sony want to copy it they'll be paying royalties.

[slade]

I hope the big surprise is that they release the system with some killer games. But that probably wont happen.

They've added a new paragraph to the IGN link. Apparently the feb event isn't cancelled after all:

Earlier, we mistakenly reported that this event had been cancelled. However, Saeki actually reveals to the magazine that SCE will be taking a somewhat different approach in holding the event. It's something that will surprise gamers, but it's being kept a secret for now.

So, let the wild speculation begin. I'm thinking that they may use the event to promote a spring launch in Japan or maybe a lower price point then we thought or it could even be details of their online service. Although there are rumors that Sony will give us info about that in November.

Oh and Sony won't need to copy the Revolution controller. From what I've read, a few upgrades to the Eyetoy will accomplish that easily enough.

[Gadfly2317]

Oh and Sony won't need to copy the Revolution controller. From what I've read, a few upgrades to the Eyetoy will accomplish that easily enough.

If they copy the functionality, what's the difference?

Dismiss the Rev control, but, Sony's gonna copy duplicate its functions anyway. Gee, where have I seen that lately?

[slade]

The difference is that the Eyetoy has existed a lot longer then the Revolution controller making the idea Sony's, not Nintendo's.

[Superjoint Ritual]

The eyetoy and the Rev's controller are nothing alike. And if they where, Sony wouldn't know what to do with it until they saw some Nintendo Revolution software first.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

As far as Sony is concerned, mission accomplished! They release a bunch of videos and hype people up all over again. Idiots like Last Word go ga-ga and start creamin' their pants. Let me tell you right now, the 360 and the PS3 will be revolutionary, in terms of improvement, but neither is going to be significantly more revolutionary than the other. This is why MS is faltering, they are being too honest and too straight up. They release details about PD0, then cut back some really not needed features and people go ape ****. They release early footage of games that doesn't look so hot, and people wonder why the games don't look as good as Sony's MOVIES. And of course, the gaming public is so dumb, they fall for it hook line and sinker. Then there is no recrimination or negativity toward Sony later, if MS was doing stuff like this they would be roasted.

Anyway, I think a lot suckas are going to get what they deserve next gen, if you fall for the hype, don't be suprised if you land in some sh*t.

[Gadfly2317]

The difference is that the Eyetoy has existed a lot longer then the Revolution controller making the idea Sony's, not Nintendo's.

Oh give me a break. You're better than this. I shouldn't even have to explain.

Just because the eyetoy existed, you said "upgrading it" to copy the rev functionality. I don't see how anyone would credit the gameplay innovations to sony if they are using their eyetoy to copy Rev control functions.

Anyway, satisfy my curiousity. How can the eye-toy be modified to do what the Rev controller does?

[slade]

Simply put, the ideas have to come from somewhere and not necessarily would have to be credited to Nintendo. Furthermore, an upgrade to an existing peripheral is evolution and in that case if Eyetoy achieves the same thing as Revolution, then it having existed longer would credit the evolving thought process to Sony. Nintendo would be thought of as having gotten the idea from looking at Sony's Eyetoy and jumping ahead several processes. Hardly a Revolution.

Anyway, I read about this a while back on GAF. If I locate the thread, I'll post it here.

Edit: Oh and in terms of player input and simplifying interface, some of the things being theorized about the Revolution now had already been mentioned by the guy that approached Sony with the Eyetoy idea. In the end, I suppose it will depend on which format defines the ideas better.

[Gadfly2317]

Simply put, the ideas have to come from somewhere and not necessarily would have to be credited to Nintendo. Furthermore, an upgrade to an existing peripheral is evolution and in that case if Eyetoy achieves the same thing as Revolution, then it having existed longer would credit the evolving thought process to Sony. Nintendo would be thought of as having gotten the idea from looking at Sony's Eyetoy and jumping ahead several processes. Hardly a Revolution.

Anyway, I read about this a while back on GAF. If I locate the thread, I'll post it here.

Edit: Oh and in terms of player input and simplifying interface, some of the things being theorized about the Revolution now had already been mentioned by the guy that approached Sony with the Eyetoy idea. In the end, I suppose it will depend on which format defines the ideas better.

I think I see where you are coming from. Like last gen, Sony launched first and had a controller. Then along comes the N64 with an analog control for 3-d games. But, Sony already had a controller, which they just evolved into analog, so really, we should credit Sony with bringing analog control to console gaming. Brilliant! :D

[slade]

Except that controllers had existed long before and no one actually called the two analog sticks a Revolution in gaming. But in thinking a little more, I'll have to credit Nintendo with the Revolution controller after all. The Eyetoy type of interface has existed before in a rudimentary form actually only it was called the Power Glove way back when.

[Mochan]

The problem with the Eyetoy right now is that I don't see too many games making use of the Eyetoy, looks like developers still need time to work it and any games they do churn out look like they won't be mainstream titles but rather very, very, very niche titles. Since not everyone has an eyetoy, thsi is to be expected.

The rev has the advantage in that every Rev has a Rev controller, so it will likely define the format rather than the Eyetoy.


And it's true; I credit Sony for having come up with rumble and analogue sticks even though it was the N64 that had it first. It's because I had a PS1 first before I saw the N64!

Anyway I see the Eyetoy as flopping just like the Powerglove did. Again, for the simple reason that the Powerglove was not something that came with every NES/Famicom. While some peripherals at least are still alive today (lightgun) even the lightgun isn't exactly a booming concept.

[T.Tashi]

Sony henchmen, " Did you see the Revolution controller! "

Sony henchman 2, " Yeah, we might be f*cked in Japan. The DS is whooping are ass anyways."

Sony Henchmen, " Don't worry... There's a reason why were not showing any games right now...Let's just say, thank you Nintendo for showing your controller early!"

Both henchman in unison, " Mwhuauauauaua!"
Don't you hate it when people try and copy your material?

[trebor]

F.Y.I. - the original Gameboy had a camera peripheral long, long before any Eyetoy was released. It allowed you to add your likeness to a built in Space Invadery-type game, take pictures, and with a additional peripheral, print said pictures.

http://www.gamersgraveyard.com/repository/gameboy/peripherals/images/gb%20camera%20and%20printer.jpg

So, according to certain people's logic in this thread, Nintendo gets the credit for the Eyetoy.

Zing.

[thelastword]

As far as Sony is concerned, mission accomplished! They release a bunch of videos and hype people up all over again. Idiots like Last Word go ga-ga and start creamin' their pants. Let me tell you right now, the 360 and the PS3 will be revolutionary, in terms of improvement, but neither is going to be significantly more revolutionary than the other. This is why MS is faltering, they are being too honest and too straight up. They release details about PD0, then cut back some really not needed features and people go ape ****. They release early footage of games that doesn't look so hot, and people wonder why the games don't look as good as Sony's MOVIES. And of course, the gaming public is so dumb, they fall for it hook line and sinker. Then there is no recrimination or negativity toward Sony later, if MS was doing stuff like this they would be roasted.

Anyway, I think a lot suckas are going to get what they deserve next gen, if you fall for the hype, don't be suprised if you land in some sh*t.
That's your problem right there. You go making all type of excuses for Ms when it's clear that they're just not ready to play ball. It's not about 32 or 64 players online for me, I don't really care about that for the fps genre, at the moment it's all about how next gen the games look and of course how next gen they perform, at least for now, until the gameplay elements can be studied in more detail.

What's really up with you and GT4, Is it because people appreciated it more than Forza? At the end of the day, gamers buy and play what is most fun and entertaining to them. As for the hardcore gamers, they appreciate the more indepth tuning that GT4 provides and also the more realistic looking/feeling game that it is. Get over yourself, Online which you place so much emphasis on this gen, did'nt save Forza from being lapped in sales by GT and all the reviewers who knocked off a point or 2 because of the lack of online had no impact in the grand scheme of things, At the end of the day gamers did the talking with their wallets.

Online next gen will be much more important, I always said that, and yes. We can already see signs that more emphasis will be placed there by all console makers, even Nintendo. GT5 looks like it's going to have 20+ cars per race according to the trailer and online is well nigh guaranteed. I suspect that you are scared silly, because you realize that Sony may very well trump MS in all genres this gen. Better graphics, better physics, better devs=MS IS GOING TO BE TRUMPED! but If that is really your fear, hmmm.. I do understand your position, being the MS champion that you are.


As for the games shown for ps3 being movies, Show me one screenshot of PGR3 with a hud. How much do you really know about 360 launch games with the exception of DOA4. NFS for the 360 has framerate problems, The makers of Saint's row left out some content due to the limited media space, Enchant arm is going to be on 3 dvd's, the games don't look all that great anyway. And people are talking how MS has everything under control, What's up with XNA and the Unified Shader's efficiency BS talk. Show me next gen games now or shut up!!! Most of the games shown on PS3 was done in realtime at 60fps. Get over it...

[Cuddly Knife]

3 dvd's for a new game?! Damn, I thought we were through with the multiple discs after the ps1. I've only had one experience(other than MGS and RE-make which are two, and on the CUBE, but they don't really count because once you change the disc, that's it) with a multiple disc game which was Riven on the PS1, and I have to say that it didn't leave a good impression. I hated having to get up and change discs everytime I went to a new area. MS should've gone with some sort of high-def. Even if it didn't catch on in the main, they could've still used it for games, whcih are the main reason for buying a new system.

[Mochan]

Enchant Arm had aliasing issues but that should be easy enough to fix. 3 DVDs though is still 3 DVDs.

Call of Duty 2 had severe framerate issues. Makes me despair since I will probably need a better PC to play it.

Most multi-disk games only make you change disks after clearing certain points, and you never need to keep swapping between areas. FF7 for instance had all the game on every disk, only FMVs were taking up space on separate disks. Once you were done iwth the events in one disk there was no need to go back to it.

That RIven sounds bad; was that an adventure game?

[Jupiter_x]

MS IS GOING TO BE TRUMPED!

Your Fired!....s...sorry wrong Trump! ;)


Ottacon said It will be worth the wait!

Next Gen begins Spring 2006!!!

[Fivespot]

The difference is that the Eyetoy has existed a lot longer then the Revolution controller making the idea Sony's, not Nintendo's.

Hang out here long enough and you can almost predict how members will respond. Although I couldn't even have imagined such a huge, illogical correlation between two completely different devices.

The christian church also recently reported that Sony invented the earth and has decided to change the bible to reflect this truth. In a related twist, my doctor was finally able to remove the Sony label off the bottom of my foot after years of my scratching and picking at it.

[Superjoint Ritual]

Don't you hate it when people try and copy your material?
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