MGS 4 sounds very promising!!!

[Jupiter_x]

"Given the shift to the PS3, the soldiers in MGS4 have new characteristics as well. Unlike soldiers from past installments, the soldiers in MGS4 will have individual appearances, including individualized clothing. Kojima referred to them as "Mr. Solider" rather than enemies, since they are neutral toward Snake unless he attacks them. "There are no friendly soldiers or enemy soldiers this time," he said. "It's a war zone, so whether they'll become allies or foes is all up to the player."

Source (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/09/18/news_6133820.html?tag=lastword_ps3_headline)

This is just one quote from Kojima-san's statement provided on the Gamespot website.
This game is sounding more interesting each day.

PS3 will be worth the wait!

[Mochan]

Off topic Jupes, but do you have ICQ? Mosey over to the PC board thread on SWAT 4 and give us your ICQ number so we can set the game up. We're looking something like noon/afternoon in the US this Saturday.

[T.Tashi]

Source (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/09/18/news_6133820.html?tag=lastword_ps3_headline)

This is just one quote from Kojima-san's statement provided on the Gamespot website.
This game is sounding more interesting each day.

PS3 will be worth the wait!
I guess MGS4 won't be showing up on the Xbox360... without a serious dumbing down.

[Jupiter_x]

Off topic Jupes, but do you have ICQ? Mosey over to the PC board thread on SWAT 4 and give us your ICQ number so we can set the game up. We're looking something like noon/afternoon in the US this Saturday.


ICQ, I think I need to set up a new account with them, it's been a while.
I'll sign up tomorrow when I get home and post the number in the PC boards then.

[Jupiter_x]

I guess MGS4 won't be showing up on the Xbox360... without a serious dumbing down.

Funny how the tables turn!

I just saw the new trailer at the Konami web site....WOW! Forget the 360, this just solidifies my decision for getting a PS3.

[T.Tashi]

Funny how the tables turn!

I just saw the new trailer at the Konami web site....WOW! Forget the 360, this just solidifies my decision for getting a PS3.
I thought it looked even better than the Killzone footage, which puts that whole debate to rest. It had a real time render (Otacon on the LCD) inside a real time render. That's just crazy, considering how good it looks.

[Jupiter_x]

I thought it looked even better than the Killzone footage, which puts that whole debate to rest. It had a real time render (Otacon on the LCD) inside a real time render. That's just crazy, considering how good it looks.

Halflife 2 had that kind of rendering aswell!
When I saw Killzone, I was impressed and I had no doubt it could look that good. Considering how good HL2, Doom 3, FEAR and Gears of War looks...why shouldn't Killzone look that good?

[Mochan]

Yeah. I think PC gamers never really doubted that the Killzone footage could be real. We've been seeing stuff just a step away from that kind of footage for ages.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Its no surprise that a bunch of fanboys who sleep in Snake underoos will get all wet from big talk from the developer, who is positively pro-Sony. But, since this, and not Killzone 2 now, is the big game PS3 is pimping, let's put it all in perspective.

Notice how MS has been real quite in terms of its big gun. If Metal Gear is the best action on the PS3 and since it can't be done without dumbing down on 360, I wonder what Bungie has to say to that? So basically, what they are saying is Metal Gear will be better than Halo3. Obviously if you can conclude 360 won't be capable of Metal Gear, then Metal Gear will have tech and stuff that is superior to Halo3. Well, I'll take that bet any day of the week.

I'll bet anybody that Halo3 will be superior to Metal Gear 4. Period! That is what we are talking about simply. The is Sony pimping their big game and they feel the need to do that years before the game will ship and they feel the need to take shots at MS. They are talking about AI, well, its about time a Metal Gear game has some good AI. In fact, maybe now, all the PS games can finally get some AI. I guess you guys will get wet when GT5 announces it will have cars that, finally, won't crash you all over the track! Ohhhhh great job Sony. I'll be willing to bet that Metal Gear developers aren't so hot. The next Halo game will be better, and on both the PS3 and 360, the next Splinter Cell game will be better. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the next Splinter Cell game is better than Halo3 and Metal Gear 4.

[Mochan]

So basically, what they are saying is Metal Gear will be better than Halo3

What's with the insecurity TMG? Nobody has even been remotely talking about Halo 3.



In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the next Splinter Cell game is better than Halo3 and Metal Gear 4.

Personally I'd be surprised if a Splinter Cell game came out that was good at all. I heard SC3 was actually halfway decent for a change but the first and second games had such bad level design that they should have just put a dog collar and leesh on Fisher.

Halo... the moment it stops becoming a derivative, uninspired shooter, then we can start talking.

[slade]

I'm actually more interested in the next Devil May Cry game. If it looks anywhere close to the target render footage, then we've got an equally good looking game in DMC4.

[Mochan]

I am expecting all the big name games from the big name developers to be on this level of quality on the PS3. Squaresoft, Capcom, Konami, they will all be making games on this level at least. Japanese developers are big on technology and these are the devs that have the finances and talent to make it possible.

[Gadfly2317]

I'll bet anybody that Halo3 will be superior to Metal Gear 4. Period!

You know, I agreed with virtually everything you said in another thread about MG4; but when you're talking graphics here, I think its silly to bet Halo 3 on 360 will look better than MG4 on Ps3.

Halo games, when you go back and look at them, aren't really that impressive. Because the Xbox is more powerful, the graphics are cleaner, but MGS3 is more ambitious graphically by far; so take that same team for MG4 and give them the superior hardware, I just don't see Halo 3 looking better.

[Mochan]

Halo 3 will likely not look better. Halo never looked (or played) amazing to me, I saw it when it came out on my friend's box and my initial reaction was that I was playing games on the PC that were better in every way. Halo didn't prove any better and I doubt Halo 3 will, either.

Halo will always have a special place in the console gamer's heart because for many it was the first game to introduce them to the wonders of FPS fragging, but really it's nothing more than a mediocre shooter.

[Gadfly2317]

Halo 3 will likely not look better. Halo never looked (or played) amazing to me, I saw it when it came out on my friend's box and my initial reaction was that I was playing games on the PC that were better in every way. Halo didn't prove any better and I doubt Halo 3 will, either.

Halo will always have a special place in the console gamer's heart because for many it was the first game to introduce them to the wonders of FPS fragging, but really it's nothing more than a mediocre shooter.

Well, not comparing Halo to PC stuff, but just comparing Halo to Xbox stuff; the world of Halo had this sterile blockly lifelessness. I actually like the colorful sci-fi style of Halo better a lot, but in many ways Strangers Wrath, also colorful and non-realistic was much more a breathing world, with dust and trash blowing in the air, and insects. There was something really artificiall and overly sterile about Halo.

MGS 3 I only played it on a demo disk but it was an incredibly impressive game; the team is obviously more talented in graphic design than Bungie. I'm not comparing the two as far as fun--they are just really different games. But all the oohing and aahing over graphics; the thing about the MGS 4 video compared to all the clips of stuff on 360---it certainly appears the Ps3 is going to kick the stuffings out of 360 graphically.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Well, not comparing Halo to PC stuff, but just comparing Halo to Xbox stuff; the world of Halo had this sterile blockly lifelessness. I actually like the colorful sci-fi style of Halo better a lot, but in many ways Strangers Wrath, also colorful and non-realistic was much more a breathing world, with dust and trash blowing in the air, and insects. There was something really artificiall and overly sterile about Halo.

MGS 3 I only played it on a demo disk but it was an incredibly impressive game; the team is obviously more talented in graphic design than Bungie. I'm not comparing the two as far as fun--they are just really different games. But all the oohing and aahing over graphics; the thing about the MGS 4 video compared to all the clips of stuff on 360---it certainly appears the Ps3 is going to kick the stuffings out of 360 graphically.

When you are talking about graphics, you have to understand the scope of the game. Halo is a game that has a lot of action a lot of AI, vehicles on the ground and flying at the same time, no other game on the console to date has been able to duplicate that on and offline, that is why it is such a programming masterpiece. The game runs damn near the same online with many many people. So yeah Metal Gear could look better, but I seriously doubt it will be a better game, technically. Metal Gear will likely not be online, likely won't have motion as articulated as say Splinter Cell. Really I think Konami or these developers are barking up the wrong tree. They really need to be worried about Ubisoft and Splinter Cell which has always been better technically and graphically than Metal Gear. And its a suckers bet, Ubisoft will kick Metal Gear's arse on both the PS3 and 360.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Mochan, i'm not getting defensive about 360. To me it sounds like Konami or Sony is getting defensive about the 360. They feel the need to make a demo that says look at me, i'm so great, and then the developers say the game couldn't be made the same on 360. So why are they so worried about 360 and taking shots.

Gadfly, notice, I said superior, I didn't say only better looking graphics. I said a superior game. Konami said that the AI for individual soldiers was great blah blah blah. Well, let's just see whose game is better, graphics, AI, everything.

And, no, nobody brought up Halo3. But everyone is jumping to the conclusion that since Metal Gear Developers said that the PS3 was better than 360 and that this game will blow away 360, then they are in fact, saying their game will be better than the best 360 games. Which is a very strong statement to make.

So i'm not saying this game won't be great, i'm not saying the PS3 won't be great. All i'm doing is opposing the Metal Gear Developers, I would be willing to bet that Bungie will be able to create a better game on 360 than they are bragging about with Metal Gear. I think whether or not the 360 is weaker than PS3, Bungie are better developers and the power difference won't preclude Bungie from making Halo3 better than Metal Gear 4. In short, Konami is saying this can't be done on 360, but in reality, they are the one's who just don't have the skill to do it, probably.

Ohh Mochan, your assessments about Splinter Cell are just that, your opinion. Obviously very few people agree with you. The games consistently rate high and sell well. The first game which you say sucked, was game of the year over Metal Gear and every other PS2 game that year, and PC game. The 2nd game was dramatically different than the first with the addition of the spies vs mercs campaign which you apparently know nothing about. And the third game added the online cooperative spies game, in addition to the single player game, and the retention of the spies vs mercs component. Splinter Cell this generation sh*tted all over Metal Gear and Thief this generation. Now, if you didn't like the game personally, hey that is on you. Even great games not everyone likes, but in the objective Splinter Cell was one of the top franchises this generation. And for the millionth time, nobody cares in this forum about your PC games.

[slade]

All i'm doing is opposing the Metal Gear Developers,

Fax me your development credentials, stat.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Fax me your development credentials, stat.

My credentials, Halo, Halo2, Splinter Cell 1,2,3 vs. Metal Gear 2, Metal Gear 2 Substance, and Metal Gear 3.

Send me anything of credibility that would make me believe Konami is going to make a game that is better than any and all 360 games. They don't have the ablility.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Well if you go by Kojimias performance the PS2 is better than the Xbox since MGS 2 ran better on the PS2 than the Xbox.

Them saying it can't be made the same means nothing but that to put the game on the 360 they will have to develope it differently but the real question is could the 360 handle that level of quality. We'll see can the PS3 handle that level of quality.

I bought my PS2 off the strenght of the MGS2 trailer which was phenonimal but most of it was cinematics and a good portion was from the opening cinematic. So I'll take a wait and see attitude.

God you guys are all going to eat it when KZ is realeased I can't wait I'm marking these threads and wheather it's 2 or 3 years down the line I will return to VGR and bring up those threads.

Halo has more going on it's battle scenes than any game on any console the closest maybe be conker multiplayer/bot modes. To deny Halo is ridiculous you can't be a serious Shooter fan and deny it. Halo stacks up to the best on the PC gameplay wise it's better than linear as hell HL2 the combat is more visceral the farcry to deny Halo and be a shooter fan is just the height of hateness.

P.S.

If the PS3 delivers on the promises count me in. I just have no faith in the company and there has been nothing shown that excites me Killzone the first one was a step above garbage, MGS fell out of love with the series (awaiting the next SC) GT4 I'll pass, I8 playing a FPS with that godawful controller no thanks and there are too many quality shooters on the 360 for me to want to purchase a PS3 for one. If western devs really get on board and bring good games to the platform and the graphic fidelity is signifcantly better than the 360 I'm there.

[Mochan]

Mochan, i'm not getting defensive about 360. To me it sounds like Konami or Sony is getting defensive about the 360. They feel the need to make a demo that says look at me, i'm so great, and then the developers say the game couldn't be made the same on 360. So why are they so worried about 360 and taking shots.

Ah, well I can accept that reasoning. The weak dog is the one that barks, after all.


Ohh Mochan, your assessments about Splinter Cell are just that, your opinion. Obviously very few people agree with you. The games consistently rate high and sell well.

The games are consistently rated as being linear "on rails" or whatever you want to call it. With the exception of 3, which apparently at least has more options in the levels and you don't ring off alarms and lose the mission because you left a body in a lit area.

Maybe "very few people" agree with my opinion but at least everyone on the PC board agrees with this view, and we didn't meet over bottle of beer to discuss it.

The first game which you say sucked, was game of the year over Metal Gear and every other PS2 game that year, and PC game.

Well shiver me timbers! Good thing I never pay attention to Game of the Year awards and the like.

I stand by my guns; Splinter Cell 1 had linear level design and bad logic, this game put you on rails worse than most FPS shooters do, and the logic the game followed was insanely stupid (if you killed/knocked out any opponents you had to hide the body in a shadowy corner or else an alarm would sound when you cross a certain point in the game, even if you already killed/knocked out every other soul in the level -- this annoyed me to no end as it actually stopped my progress in one mission and I couldn't figure out why I kept getting caught).

Graphically it was great, but graphics do not a great game make.

The second game was pretty much the same in this respect. The only saving grace the 2nd game had was the Spies vs. Mercs game.

The 2nd game was dramatically different than the first with the addition of the spies vs mercs campaign which you apparently know nothing about.

I know the spies vs. mercs multiplayer online (which was the only thing about it worth playing) but the singleplayer was more of the same, and was the real bad apple in the deal. I was not aware of a singleplayer spies vs. mercs campaign, must be XBox only.

[Mochan]

Halo stacks up to the best on the PC gameplay wise it's better than linear as hell HL2 the combat is more visceral the farcry to deny Halo and be a shooter fan is just the height of hateness.

Yes, it was better than linear Half Life. But then, I hate Half Life as well. Oh noes! To deny Half Life and be a shooter fan!

[ThaMaskedGamer]

I mean that is all that <i>really</i> matters, what you and your PC boards think. I mean hell who cares about Game of the Year, and Half Life is sh*t anyways. How all of this makes the PS2 or PS3 look good? I have no idea.

Did you even play Metal Gear 2? I suggest you go back and do that, and then pop in Splinter Cell for XBOX. Come back in the morning and tell me with a straight face that Splinter Cell isn't 76.277 times better than that garbage. Well, it doesn't matter, Mochan, I believe anything you say man, I mean who am I to believe you or my damn lying eyes?

[Jupiter_x]

TMG: You are right, I also think Bungie will produce a wicked impressive Halo sequel regardless of Xbox 360's power. The first Halo was what it was because it had a steller team (Bungie) working on the most powerful hardware to render that game at that time. Imagine if Bungie had worked on Halo for PS2 instead of Xbox? Xbox still being the Superior machine would have the Riddick, Mace Griffen, Farcry and whatnot, yet Halo on that PS2 would come pretty darn close to competing with those Xbox titles. This is why I agree with your statement about Halo 3 looking as good or even superior to some PS3 titles.
Aren't you being a little biased/hard on MGS and Thief? I think the SplinterCell series rocks, Chaos Theory is phenominal, but I cannot really say it pwns those two! Thief 1-2 were huge games, MGS series had a boss storyline! SC might have the GOTY award, but honestly...do you like every GOTY game out there? I don't. MGS 4 looks very impressive in my humble opinion. Graphics have that WOW factor. Halo 3 will deliver aswell. Think about this, Xbox is still delivering extremely impressive visuals: Farcry, SC:CT, Doom 3 and now HL2....that is killer. Xbox hasn't grown old as far as I am concerned.

Mochan: (FYI - Super Robot Wars series was announced for a PS3 release)

Anyway, I don't know, I thought Halo looked great. You could look though the trees and see the rays of sunlight trickling though the leaves. The use of Bump/Normal Mapping is staggering. the lighting is great too. And the fact the game is played out on a huge Spacial Ring...that is sooooo freakin' kul!
As far as the Stealth games are concerned, I like them all....even Sly Cooper :p. Thief 1-2 are my personal favorites in this genre. Thief:DS was decent but linear. MGS is killer in terms of story line and Cinematics!

[Xboxster]

I heard will be 360 excsulive

[Gadfly2317]

I heard will be 360 excsulive

The return of Xboxster! Fivespot and I were just talking about you yesterday. What a coincidence.

Yep, exclusive, and it will do real blood too!

[Mochan]

Did you even play Metal Gear 2? I suggest you go back and do that, and then pop in Splinter Cell for XBOX. Come back in the morning and tell me with a straight face that Splinter Cell isn't 76.277 times better than that garbage.

Huh? MGS2 was a lot better than Splinter Cell.