TGS Update Thread

[Fivespot]

And the first big news is in. XBOX 360 to release Tuesday 11/22 in NA with staggered dates shortly thereafter in Japan and Europe. Japanese pricing also announced.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/651/651026p1.html

In addition, here are the titles slated to appear at the MS booth:

(eM)-eNCHANT-arM (FromSoftware Inc.)

Bomberman Act Zero (Hudson Soft Co. Ltd.)

Call of Duty® 2 (Activision Inc.)

CHROMEHOUNDS" (Sega)

Dead Rising (Capcom)

Dynasty Warriors 5 Special (Koei Co. Ltd.)

Everyparty (Microsoft Game Studios)

Far East of Eden Ziria (Hudson Soft)

FINAL FANTASY XI (Square Enix Co. Ltd.)

Frame City Killer (Namco)

Gears of War (Microsoft Game Studios)

Kameo Elements of Power&153 (Microsoft Game Studios)

Mobile Suit Gundam (tentative title) (Bandai Co. Ltd.)

Need for Speed Most Wanted (Electronic Arts)

NINETY-NINE NIGHTS (Microsoft Game Studios)

The Outfit&153 (THQ)

Project Gotham Racing® 3 (Microsoft Game Studios)

Resident Evil 5 (Capcom)

Ridge Racer 6 (Namco)

Rumble Roses XX (tentative title) (Konami)

Shutoku Battle (tentative title) (Genki Co. Ltd.)

Sonic the Hedgehog (Sega)

Saint's Row&153 (THQ)

Test Drive Unlimited (Atari Inc.)

Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter (Ubisoft Entertainment)

World Air Force (tentative title) (Taito Corp.)

Wrestle Kingdom (Yuke's Co. Ltd.)

[Mochan]

Looks great. The stuff I'm interested in are Call of Duty 2, Ghost Recon, Frame City Killer, and the Gundam

[Gadfly2317]

There's a couple titles I haven't heard of; do you know anything specific about them?--

(eM)-eNCHANT-arM (FromSoftware Inc.)
CHROMEHOUNDS" (Sega)
Far East of Eden Ziria (Hudson Soft)
Shutoku Battle (tentative title) (Genki Co. Ltd.)

[Mochan]

What I know is Chromehounds is supposed to be some mecha game, ala Battletech I think. I don't know about the rest.

[mandark]

What I know is Chromehounds is supposed to be some mecha game, ala Battletech I think. I don't know about the rest.
Speaking of mecha games, have you ever tried Ring of Red for the PS2? I wonder if there will ever be a sequel to that title?

[theWacoKid]

There's a couple titles I haven't heard of; do you know anything specific about them?--

(eM)-eNCHANT-arM (FromSoftware Inc.)
CHROMEHOUNDS" (Sega)
Far East of Eden Ziria (Hudson Soft)
Shutoku Battle (tentative title) (Genki Co. Ltd.)

Gee, I thought you were the xbox 360 game expert. Its all the same rehashed crap, anyway, so what do you effin care?

[Mochan]

Gee, I thought you were the xbox 360 game expert. Its all the same rehashed crap, anyway, so what do you effin care?

LOL Waco, are you just violently lashing out at random nowadays?

Anyone on the gaming scene can tell that none of those four titles are rehashes, they are new games. And I even think they are from new developers who previously were not active on Xbox 1.

Well I guess your sarcasm was just lost on me. I'm sure Gadfly will appreciate it though.

[Mochan]

Ring of Red? Haven't heard of it. If we're talking mecha games, I would have to recommend Robot Alchemic Drive.

[Superior Beatslayer]

good good, finally some hard **** around these goddamn forums. It's good to see Resident Evil made its way on to the 360, it will probably have me ****ting myself in no time! :D

[mandark]

Ring of Red? Haven't heard of it. If we're talking mecha games, I would have to recommend Robot Alchemic Drive.
Its a launc window game for the PS2. The gameplay is turnbased/RTS. Almost like advance wars but more complicated. You get mechs running around a map but when two get into action the game switches to real time, sort off, where you then proceed to shoot your opponent along with your infantry support. Its niche but was actually addicting if you are into those kind of games.

Here's a link: http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/strategy/ringofred/review.html

[Mochan]

I got a game that is real time like that, it's called Super Robot Wars Scramble Command. There was also a similar game called Zeonic Front. The main difference from Ring of Red seems to be that in SRW:SC you are in RTS mode all the time.

[Fivespot]

Here's the scoop on Chromehounds from IGN.com (sorry, I didn't feel like paraphrasing so here is a cut & paste summarizing the article). Click on the link for more info.

First, the basics on what's been one of the more mysterious Xbox 360 titles. Chromehounds is a mech game being developed under the eye of producer Toshifumi Nabeshima, who also serves as the producer on the Armored Core series. The game has all the customization you'd expect of a From game, with over 300 parts ready to equip to your mech, but unlike Armored Core, the focus is less about what happens before the battle and more about what happens during the battle.

Chromehounds is a squad-based title, meaning rather than facing off against an opponent mech on your own, you fight along side five allies. Each member of your team has one of six roles. There's a commander, who has better radar capabilities than the other mechs and can thus get a better view of the battle field, something that's essential for sending out commands (using Xbox Live voice chat). Some roles focus on attack or defensive, with others placing emphasis on quick speed. Coolest of all is a sniper mech, who isn't the strongest or the fastest, but can take aim from afar.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/650/650575p1.html

[Fivespot]

So far its been pretty quiet on the PS3 front but lots more will be revealed tomorrow when TGS actually starts. Todays info came from the MS press conference and booth.

IGN has some fantastic coverage including vids, pics, interviews, and live footage from the show for anyone who wants to dig into this info deeper. Lots of info on the games I previously listed are also included.

I, unfortunately, haven't yet had the chance to read through everything but hope to soon.

[slade]

Have most of you guys seen the DMC4 and MGS4 scans? Go to the following if you want to see them: http://gallery.videogamereview.com/...00&ppuser=76153

MGS stuff is realtime while the DMC stuff is a target render.

BTW, heard today that PGR3 may be locked at 30 frames per second. The developer stated that they would need four more months to shoehorn in 60 fps but since it's a launch title and the developer made some excuse about 30 fps looking as good as 60 fps along with 360 is launching in around two months, most are convinced that it'll be 30fps.

[theWacoKid]

LOL Waco, are you just violently lashing out at random nowadays?

Anyone on the gaming scene can tell that none of those four titles are rehashes, they are new games. And I even think they are from new developers who previously were not active on Xbox 1.

Well I guess your sarcasm was just lost on me. I'm sure Gadfly will appreciate it though.

Wrong again, spanky, From Software along with Tecmo was one of the bigget japanese xbox developers. And Chromehounds is a FROM software title.

According to gadfly, Xbox 360 is an overpriced piece of crap. He's seen all the xbox 360 titles and they're all stale rehashes, well, according to him.

So, why the interest in a piece of crap with nothing but stale rehashes. Remember, this guy considers us all insane for even considering a 360. Or maybe you believe in double standards too. One for gadfly and another for everybody else.

[Cuddly Knife]

Wow. Gears of War is a third-person shooter. I'm extra pumped for this one now. The 360 is going to have a nice line-up by the end of their first year, from what I'm seeing.
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TGS 2005: Gears of War
CliffyB shows off Epic's third-person shooter at the MS press conference.

September 15, 2005 - Cliffy B from Epic made an appearance at Microsoft's Tokyo Game Show pre-show press conference and gave us another glimpse of Epic's next-gen title Gears of War. He showed off a level which focused on the theme of "destroyed beauty," and both sides were well represented in the demo. It was basically the same level we saw at E3, but it was a little more polished looking than the already impressive demo we saw four months ago. The start of the level showed troopers Marcus and Dominique pushing a burning car down a slope. The flame effects really look fantastic at this point, and although the armor on the character models is shiny and rather candy-like, it looks gritty and gnarled at the same time.


The next scene showed the two running to a holdout gas station to take cover. They soon came under attack, and Marcus was caught in the middle of a heated gun battle. Once again Cliff explained the "stop and pop" gameplay that emphasizes the use of cover and its ultimate destruction. The action was intense, and Marcus had to keep ducking behind cover to keep from getting wasted, only popping his head up to take brief shots at the enemies, then back down to safety. Although Cliff wasn't actually controlling the scene himself, it was explained that the footage was all real-time, which we can confirm after playing the same level at E3. After another battle in the open area outside of the gas station, the demo ended with a message that read "Emergence Day 2006."

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

There's a couple titles I haven't heard of; do you know anything specific about them?--

(eM)-eNCHANT-arM (FromSoftware Inc.)
CHROMEHOUNDS" (Sega)
Far East of Eden Ziria (Hudson Soft)
Shutoku Battle (tentative title) (Genki Co. Ltd.)

I believe Enchant Arm is a RPG from the same guys who worked on Otogi 1 & 2. I would hope Enchant will be an action-rpg, but for some reason, I doubt it.

[Gadfly2317]

According to gadfly, Xbox 360 is an overpriced piece of crap. He's seen all the xbox 360 titles and they're all stale rehashes, well, according to him.


This is why Mochan referred to you as "Straw Man." Are you familiar with the Straw Man logical fallacy?

YOU also at one time said MOST of the announced xbox titles were stale rehashes; a game can be "new" and a rehash too. It is over priced; as to it being a piece of crap, Mochan's right, you're just lashing out because you know you were right about 360; and you also know that my statements about it have been a lot more nuanced.

I will also make a new prediction based on info coming out of the Tokyo Game show; the best games on the Rev will be way more fun and original than anything on the 360. I further predict that EVENTUALLY you will say the same thing.

[Mochan]

Well, I may have been wrong about "all" of them being "new devs" but Hudson and Genki are new onboard, and all four of those titles are not rehashes in the sequel sense (although who knows, maybe they are just rehashes of games concepts in the genre but I have no info on that)

[theWacoKid]

This is why Mochan referred to you as "Straw Man." Are you familiar with the Straw Man logical fallacy?

YOU also at one time said MOST of the announced xbox titles were stale rehashes; a game can be "new" and a rehash too. It is over priced; as to it being a piece of crap, Mochan's right, you're just lashing out because you know you were right about 360; and you also know that my statements about it have been a lot more nuanced.

I will also make a new prediction based on info coming out of the Tokyo Game show; the best games on the Rev will be way more fun and original than anything on the 360. I further predict that EVENTUALLY you will say the same thing.

I predict that you will continue to buy games that appeal to your intellectual vanity, I predict that you will continue to pimp the systems and the games you buy to cover your own insecurity over your purchase decisions. Otherwise, why engage in these lenghty dissertations whenever you fricking buy something. Are you looking to convince us or yourself? Have I even once looked for approval from anyone on this board for a system I bought. LIke what do you think, guys? I don't care what other people think. Its my money, I spend it the way I like, and I expect everyone to do likewise. I'm not here drumming up support for the 360 or looking to convince myself. I see enough for myself to justify a purchase. You don't like it, that's your prerogative, what do I care? Its not like I look up to you, gee, what will that gadfly dude on a stupid internet message board think. For me to actually consider your opinion, a guy I know nothing really about, that would be dumb.

Your purchase of orginal and quirky is snobbish elitism at work. You think that discovering a game and touting its virtues makes you superior. A guy like you can't risk having his ego deflated by actually liking a game that the mountain dew boys go for. I mean, the horror.

I like genre games. I like sports and racing titles. I enjoyed Halo. Yeah, I sold my psp, because it doesn't cut it as a handheld. Its too bulky, loads too slowly, doesn't have pick up and play simplicity, you need headphones to get the good sound, the games were too expensive, etc. But, its not like the DS is that much better. I wish I could get as immersed in DS games like I did with Lumines and Ridge Racer. The ergonomics do suck, you can't hold a DS comfortably balanced in your hand. It's that simple, no matter what you say. I don't play DS games for more than an hour. I can play gba games for longer and I enjoy them more. They're traditional and don't have to rely on an interface gimmick. The DS is also too bulky, but it loads quickly, the games are simpler to launch into, they're less expensive, the DS standard speakers are better even if the overall sound is inferior to the psp. So, on balance, I sided with the DS. Handheld gaming is simply not going to replace console gaming for me. The immersion factor just isn't there.

You havent' seen a single bloody game for the rev and you're pompously declaring it better than the 360. I rest my case. Worship at the altar of Iwata, sleep with a signed autograph of shig, I don't care. If I'm a straw man, that you represent the proverbial house of cards. One whisper of wind and your arguments all come crashing down. You're going to dream of the rev and pray and hope it works out. Well, you've got plenty of time and that's all you'll be doing for a long while. Praying and hoping. I'll be long gone from this board before the rev ever ships.

[Mochan]

Your purchase of orginal and quirky is snobbish elitism at work. You think that discovering a game and touting its virtues makes you superior. A guy like you can't risk having his ego deflated by actually liking a game that the mountain dew boys go for. I mean, the horror.

Takes one to know it. You're looking for superiority, too. The reason you can even point out such a psychoanalysis is becuase you are psychologically projecting what you yourself are thinking. In Buddhism there's a story that goes like this:

A man met a buddhist monk on the road. He said, "Monk, you look like crap."
The monk replied, "Okay. Well you look like the Buddha."
The man was puzzled because he just insulted the monk but was getting complimented instead.
"Why do you say I look like the Buddha? I just said you look like crap."
The monk nodded and smiled. “But I am only telling you the truth. When I look at you, that’s what I see.”

The monk then continued. “If your heart and mind is filled with the Buddha and the Dharma, you see only the Buddha and the Dharma. If your heart and mind is full of crap, the only thing you see is crap."

[theWacoKid]

Takes one to know it. You're looking for superiority, too. The reason you can even point out such a psychoanalysis is becuase you are psychologically projecting what you yourself are thinking. In Buddhism there's a story that goes like this:

A man met a buddhist monk on the road. He said, "Monk, you look like crap."
The monk replied, "Okay. Well you look like the Buddha."
The man was puzzled because he just insulted the monk but was getting complimented instead.
"Why do you say I look like the Buddha? I just said you look like crap."
The monk nodded and smiled. “But I am only telling you the truth. When I look at you, that’s what I see.”

The monk then continued. “If your heart and mind is filled with the Buddha and the Dharma, you see only the Buddha and the Dharma. If your heart and mind is full of crap, the only thing you see is crap."

Oh, dry up with the dime store analysis. First you're calling me a psychopath, now this load. I guess you were just projecting your own psychopathic tendencies, is that idea, sigmund, jr? Ack, ack, ack, Hoisted by your own petard!

[theWacoKid]

Or should I call this the Phonystation 3. From gamespot.

TOKYO--One of the biggest, and most unfortunate, surprises at the Tokyo Game Show 2005 so far has been the absence of any playable PlayStation 3 games.


No kiding! Who woulda thunk it? Oh, yeah, we'll have a playable ps3 at E3, oh, check, that, it'll be playable at TGS. Ack, ack, ack. Hey, slade, what's going on with those effin dev kits for the Phonystation 3. I thought there were so advanced, the ps3 is so easy to prrogram for. Wha happpened? They're still coming out this spring with the PHONYSTATION 3, aren't they. Sony wouldn't lie about something like that, would they?

Sony's smoke and mirror show continues unabated and the sony milk drinkers are lapping it up.

[Gadfly2317]

I predict that you will continue to buy games that appeal to your intellectual vanity, I predict that you will continue to pimp the systems and the games you buy to cover your own insecurity over your purchase decisions. Basically correct; except the insecurity part. I really like talking about cool stuff; I do the same thing with music and films. It's fun to try and turn people on to cool stuff that they may not be seeing promoted heavily in the mainstream.



Your purchase of orginal and quirky is snobbish elitism at work. You think that discovering a game and touting its virtues makes you superior. A guy like you can't risk having his ego deflated by actually liking a game that the mountain dew boys go for. I mean, the horror. Look, it's probably my fault this has degenerated into a personality war, but you don't get it. I want to play something new, and I want things that are new, innovative AND good to succeed---we all know that the EA sports games are succeeding admirably; they don't need any cheerleading. Hell Waco, you were the guy that clued me into Katamari when it was getting ready to come out. You were promoting the sublime platforming of Sly Cooper. I DO like some of those "mountain dew boy" games I make fun of; I've said this repeatedly. Not just Tony Hawk and NBA Street, but I actually owned an X-treme surfing game this gen. The #! reason I bought an Xbox is I had an itch for realistic racers because I hadn't played any in awhile; there were finally enough of the more creative games I like to get the Xbox. Just because I play anything and everything doesn't mean I don't have things I like to see promoted in gaming. I'm arrogant about everything, so it just comes through about games too.

You havent' seen a single bloody game for the rev and you're pompously declaring it better than the 360. I rest my case. Worship at the altar of Iwata, sleep with a signed autograph of shig, I don't care. If I'm a straw man, that you represent the proverbial house of cards. One whisper of wind and your arguments all come crashing down. You're going to dream of the rev and pray and hope it works out. Well, you've got plenty of time and that's all you'll be doing for a long while. Praying and hoping. I'll be long gone from this board before the rev ever ships. It's just a prediction. "Better" is a sloppy word for sloppy thinking. I specifically said "the best games on the Revolution will be more fun and original than the best 360 games and that you will eventually feel the same way." Concrete, well defined prediction without morality words like "better." Sure, its just a prediction. It could be flat out wrong. All I'm saying is, I predicted the DS would be more fun than the PsP, and it turned out I'm right. I'm saying what I'm saying based on the information at hand. It has nothing with worshipping Iwata.

Btw--straw man doesn't mean you are easily knocked over; Straw Man is a defined logical fallacy where you create hollow bogus arguments that you place in the mouths of your opponents, and then easily knock them over, rather than rebutting their real arguments.

Here is a link to a list of logical fallacies--this is basic debate stuff here; learn it so you can stop getting your ass handed to you. http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/index.htm

[thelastword]

Or should I call this the Phonystation 3. From gamespot.

TOKYO--One of the biggest, and most unfortunate, surprises at the Tokyo Game Show 2005 so far has been the absence of any playable PlayStation 3 games.


No kiding! Who woulda thunk it? Oh, yeah, we'll have a playable ps3 at E3, oh, check, that, it'll be playable at TGS. Ack, ack, ack. Hey, slade, what's going on with those effin dev kits for the Phonystation 3. I thought there were so advanced, the ps3 is so easy to prrogram for. Wha happpened? They're still coming out this spring with the PHONYSTATION 3, aren't they. Sony wouldn't lie about something like that, would they?

Sony's smoke and mirror show continues unabated and the sony milk drinkers are lapping it up. You have really sunk beneath the depths of reason and common sense. I am appalled at your inability to comprehend simple things, like the ps3 will debut in 8 to 10 mths. Which console would most likely be playable? I'm thinking the 360, sheeeeeesh!........You know what, I would'nt normally do this, but you leave me no choice.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b392/anubis_g/sense.jpg

[slade]

Or should I call this the Phonystation 3. From gamespot.

TOKYO--One of the biggest, and most unfortunate, surprises at the Tokyo Game Show 2005 so far has been the absence of any playable PlayStation 3 games.


No kiding! Who woulda thunk it? Oh, yeah, we'll have a playable ps3 at E3, oh, check, that, it'll be playable at TGS. Ack, ack, ack. Hey, slade, what's going on with those effin dev kits for the Phonystation 3. I thought there were so advanced, the ps3 is so easy to prrogram for. Wha happpened? They're still coming out this spring with the PHONYSTATION 3, aren't they. Sony wouldn't lie about something like that, would they?

Sony's smoke and mirror show continues unabated and the sony milk drinkers are lapping it up.

Well, since you asked so nicely. I'd already gone on record as saying that Sony probably wouldn't have any playable titles at E3. They're still about a year or so away from launch after all. That they even showed a real time video of MGS4 is amazing as we had nothing from MS at a comparable time frame. So, calm the hell down. Your fanboyish tirades are becoming tiresome. However, the biggest thing is that you seem to have become a victim of one companies hype once again. All that showboating you did for Madden 360 and the game looks like a mild upgrade over the current gen. Take that leave you're talking about as soon as you can because as much as you complain about Gadfly buying games only so he can discover their uniqueness and tout their virtues, you still haven't realized that what you're describing is yourself. After all, you're the one that goes on and on about getting tired of PS2 franchises and gaming on the system and looking for something new and shiny on the 360. The sad thing though is that you're going to be waiting for quite a while. MS just doesn't have it together for their launch and you're going to be dissatisfied with yet another gaming product this year, which will probably cause you to rebound to the Revolution.

[Mochan]

All that showboating you did for Madden 360 and the game looks like a mild upgrade over the current gen.

Personally I can't understand how Waco can lap up Madden 360 and ogle at it and its "next gen graphics" and "next gen gameplay" and yet at the same time bash MGS4's graphics and the Rev's controller.

as much as you complain about Gadfly buying games only so he can discover their uniqueness and tout their virtues, you still haven't realized that what you're describing is yourself.

Like I said, the Buddha story. When your head is full of crap, the only thing you see is crap. I'm guilty of this, too. When someone comes up with profiling accusations like that, it's really "takes one to know one." That kind of hurts to say because I'm saying I'm like Waco.

Nobody else on this board has managed to pique my "annoy bone" but Waco. TMG or DTM don't annoy me in anyway. We get in tussles but that's part of the debate game, since they're in the opposite camp. Waco just seems to have struck a nerve in me. I don't usually go 'pick fights' on messageboards or 'gang up on the odd man out' or "hold grudges" but for some reason I'm doing it here.

Well that's my parting shot to Waco before he goes on leave.

[trebor]

Well that's my parting shot to Waco before he goes on leave.

Meh. My guess is that this whole "I'm leaving the message board forever" spiel is more of his hot air.

I'm betting several years from now we'll be hearing "Waco" say things like "Any day now, I'll be leaving so..." - when he's tired of arguing with all the Xbots as to why the 360 is lame and how the PS3 is the superior system, that is. ;)

[Mochan]

Meh. My guess is that this whole "I'm leaving the message board forever" spiel is more of his hot air.



From my experience, people like Waco on messageboards tend to say stuff like that, disappear for a few months, then come back business as usual. That's why I'm just calling it a "leave."

[Gadfly2317]

From my experience, people like Waco on messageboards tend to say stuff like that, disappear for a few months, then come back business as usual. That's why I'm just calling it a "leave."

I have no idea why he'd want to leave now when a new round of systems and systems wars is starting. Why come to this message board mid-generation to defend Sony's Ps2 when it had already won the war, and then switch sides to the 360 because it's launching first--- only to then quit the board right before its released, when he could actually start making informative positive contributions in posts about his 360 experience?

I would hate to see Waco leave. He gets under some people's skin? Good. That generally means he's doing a good job at something (Troll's like Evolution are the exception to this rule.) If you aren't getting under someone's skin you need to sharpen your sword.

[theWacoKid]

If you think I"m spending the rest of my life growing old with you guys, forget about it.

Here's an interesting comparison of the sony and ms booths at TGS by joystiq.

The Sony PlayStation 3 Booth

It was a big, black box, monolithic, imposing, and solid. The booth lacked texture and was in fact nearly featureless except for the silvery PlayStation 3 letters affixed to the side of it and a few PS3 display cases. This booth was a theater, and throughout the day Sony displayed trailers for their upcoming PS3 games. No games were on display. Ack, ack, ack. (Wacokid editorial comment.)

The product could not be touched. The theater was dark and uncomfortable. It was packed full like a Japanese commuter train and lacked seating or air conditioning.
The booth was unwelcoming. Booth attendants were quick (but not quick enough!) to shut down any attempts to film or photograph clips. Interactivity was not the point of this experience. Simply watching those gorgeous trailers was the point.

Yet despite the heat, the lack of interactivity, the crowds, the darkness, the booth was extremely popular amongst show attendees, many of whom stayed to watch the same trailers multiple times.

The Microsoft Xbox 360 Booth

Microsoft’s booth stood in opposition to Sony’s booth in every possible way. Where Sony’s booth was black (with a tiny bit of silver), Microsoft’s was white with green accents. Where Sony’s booth was a dark theater, Microsoft’s booth was infused with ample light from every direction. Where Sony’s booth was squarish and blocky, Microsoft’s was encircled by rings of wind chimes and comprised of organic curves.
Sony showed only videos (and a couple of PlayStation 3 models behind glass). Microsoft showed a handful of games that were playable on dozens of Xbox 360 units. Players could queue and could pick up Xbox 360 controllers.

One interesting area of the Xbox 360 booth were the living room setups, one of which is pictured above. There were four distinct living room setups, each featuring iconographic (some would say overplayed) modern design icons (the Kartell Take Lamp, the Corbusier Chaise Lounge, the Apple iPod, the Arco Floor Lamp, the Noguchi Table, shag carpeting, you get the picture). The point of these exhibits was to show that the Xbox 360 was at the center of the modern digital lifestyle and to emphasize how much effort Microsoft put into creating a consumer electronics device that wouldn’t be an eyesore this time around.

That the Xbox 360 exhibit also included an Apple iPod was also interesting and reflects a “best of� approach that probably more accurately reflects consumer buying habits. The iPod has done really well thanks to sexy design, and Microsoft is welcoming the comparison of the iPod to the Xbox 360.


How did the two booths compare? The Sony booth seemed to have been designed to exude a dark power and evoke that same sense of awe that the apes must have felt standing before the black obelisk in Kubrick’s 2001: A Space Odyssey. The booth seemed to say, “here is a technology of great power beyond your comprehension. Watch some pretty movies and don’t forget to take your jaw with you when you leave.� The placement of the PlayStation 3 consoles themselves also gave off the feeling that the console was an object of great value to be admired but not touched.

The Xbox 360 booth, by comparison, was accessible and inviting, but that lack of exclusivity and the accessibility of the booth didn’t play as well to American sensibilities which make tend to make us desire less any object that’s within our reach.

In the end, we’d have to award Microsoft with the better booth simply because there were no mirrors and there was no smoke. The booth seemed to be honest and frank: �Here’s the console. Here’s a controller. Give it a go.�

Ewww, sony is the smoke and mirrors company, who woulda thunk it, and MS gets kudos for being honest and frank. Yeah, baby, not everybody at TGS fell for the phonystation 3's little bag of tricks. Oh, man, you mean its not just theWacoKid referring to sony's smoke and mirrors act, that is too funny.

Hey, slade, when is MGS4 coming out again? According to kojima san, we'll get another look a year from now at the next TGS. Hey, maybe it'll even be playable by then. Of course, Splinter Cell 4 will have already shipped before the next look at Snake rendering MGS4 redundant. Bet you're counting the days, though. Of course, that trailer will get pretty damn boring by then. Actually, its pretty damn boring now. Old snake hiding out in a bombed out buliding, that wasn't too exciting. But, never fear, slade, i'm sure sony and company will have plenty more quality cut-scenes, in real time, of course, for people to watch, hell, who needs TheMovieStation, just watch ps3 trailers.

[Gadfly2317]

If you think I"m spending the rest of my life growing old with you guys, forget about it.


Older, you mean.

What the hell, you'll waste your precious fading youth posting here; whatta you got planned better for your waning years fading into senility. . . rubbing icy hot on your shoulder and preparation H on your gums?

You know you're bailing because you know 360 is gonna take your claims and make you look like an ass. More of an ass.

[Gadfly2317]

I was looking at some more of the TGS coverage and saw the 70 or so Ps3 games in development; lots of sequels, and not much that looks that interesting. Ni-oh still looks really interesting to me, in part because it gets referred to as "inspired by Akira Kurosawa."

Based on what I'm seeing people spending the most time talking about, the Rev controller kinda stole the show. Like at Gamespot, they did a feature with each of the editors weighing in on their reaction--some extremely positive reactions, including referring to it as the most exciting thing about next-gen so far.

Who knows what the Ps3 launch will consist of, but even if all 70 currently announced titles were available day 1, sad to say, I'm not sure its any better than the 360. Too many sequels, but I guess the details of the some of the other games are too far off to really know for sure. Anyone see anything about the Ps3 beside your favorite sequel that turned your head, made you excited about next gen, or is it really just all about the graphics?

[Mochan]

So far the only thing that has me interested in the PS3 are the sequels. Nothing else about it is solidly piquing my interest.

[slade]

The only original game I want on the PS3 at the moment is Heavenly Sword. Aside from that, I'm onboard because of the sequels to my favorite games this gen. The original IP's will sort themselves out later on. The best things in life are worth waiting for. That lesson is sadly lost on some of our members here.

BTW Gadfly, I thought you'd be excited about a next gen Gradius. It's been announced for PS3.

[trebor]

If you think I"m spending the rest of my life growing old with you guys, forget about it.

If you're going to leave then just leave and shut up about it already. The more you talk about it and not leave the more you seem like, oh I don't know, a complete attention whore. The ones who DO leave are also the ones that quietly stop posting and never return, NOT the ones who mention it in every post.

You just want people to beg you to stay, so it will feed your delicate ego a bit more.


Ewww, sony is the smoke and mirrors company, who woulda thunk it, and MS gets kudos for being honest and frank. Yeah, baby, not everybody at TGS fell for the phonystation 3's little bag of tricks. Oh, man, you mean its not just theWacoKid referring to sony's smoke and mirrors act, that is too funny.

You (and when I mean "you" I mean the guy who plays theWacoKid on the internet) are certainly NOT the first person to associate Sony with "smoke and mirrors" style marketing, so please don't insult the rest of our collective intelligences by claiming "you're da only one who saw it first."

[Gadfly2317]

The only original game I want on the PS3 at the moment is Heavenly Sword. Aside from that, I'm onboard because of the sequels to my favorite games this gen. The original IP's will sort themselves out later on. The best things in life are worth waiting for. That lesson is sadly lost on some of our members here.

So very true. I'll probably have to wait until the original stuff sorts itself out.

BTW Gadfly, I thought you'd be excited about a next gen Gradius. It's been announced for PS3.

Somewhat excited. With no details or screenshots even, it remains a pipe dream for now.

[Gadfly2317]

You (and when I mean "you" I mean the guy who plays theWacoKid on the internet) are certainly NOT the first person to associate Sony with "smoke and mirrors" style marketing, so please don't insult the rest of our collective intelligences by claiming "you're da only one who saw it first."

All marketing seems like smoke and mirrors to me. Anyway, the important point about what Waco has seen about Sony is that it's the only console from this gen he felt was good enough to keep. He sold his GC and Xbox. Slade made a good point in another thread when he said why he's sticking with Sony: because Ps3 has sequels to his favorite games. New stuff? We can only go by the two companies track records a this point.

Last gen, Xbox introduced nothing NEW to the world of gaming. I can't believe a guy who was most blown away by the Ps2, who sold his xbox, and who can see what MS has announced so far, and who only wants one console and who really wants high-end graphics. . . . how could a guy with those foundations think the 360 is going to be the one system that will deliver most for him?

[Mochan]

It's the Madden 360 I tell ya. It blew his socks off.

[trebor]

All marketing seems like smoke and mirrors to me.

Actually, marketing in general is very calculated and researched - most good marketing divisions track how well their various marketing schemes works, so as to capitalize on the ones that work and edit the ones that don't. But alas, at it's core all marketing is but a mere crapshoot.

In Sony's case, projecting ungodly amounts of hype has always worked in the past for them, so there is no reason for them to stop now.


Anyway, the important point about what Waco has seen about Sony is that it's the only console from this gen he felt was good enough to keep. He sold his GC and Xbox. Slade made a good point in another thread when he said why he's sticking with Sony: because Ps3 has sequels to his favorite games. New stuff? We can only go by the two companies track records a this point.

Last gen, Xbox introduced nothing NEW to the world of gaming. I can't believe a guy who was most blown away by the Ps2, who sold his xbox, and who can see what MS has announced so far, and who only wants one console and who really wants high-end graphics. . . . how could a guy with those foundations think the 360 is going to be the one system that will deliver most for him?

Do we really care about what "Waco" thinks at this point? You schooled him in such an epic manner in your "Waco Died For Our Sins" thread, that he actually admited that "theWacoKid" is a complete farce and doesn't represent what the guy who plays Waco on the interent truly believes.

Ever since that legendary whupping you gave to him, it's been as clear as day that "Waco" is just playing the 360 "side" merely to get a rise out of people and argue for the sake of arguing.

There certainly isn't any logic or cohesive thinking on his part for supporting the 360.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

All marketing seems like smoke and mirrors to me. Anyway, the important point about what Waco has seen about Sony is that it's the only console from this gen he felt was good enough to keep. He sold his GC and Xbox. Slade made a good point in another thread when he said why he's sticking with Sony: because Ps3 has sequels to his favorite games. New stuff? We can only go by the two companies track records a this point.

Last gen, Xbox introduced nothing NEW to the world of gaming. I can't believe a guy who was most blown away by the Ps2, who sold his xbox, and who can see what MS has announced so far, and who only wants one console and who really wants high-end graphics. . . . how could a guy with those foundations think the 360 is going to be the one system that will deliver most for him?

Nothing new? Come on man.

[Gadfly2317]

Nothing new? Come on man.

Ok. . . Full Spectrum Warrior; but its sad to see innovative gameplay in the service of pro-war propaganda.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Ok. . . Full Spectrum Warrior; but its sad to see innovative gameplay in the service of pro-war propaganda.

Just curious what do you think the other 2 consoles offered that was new?

I've seen you tout pikmin but basically that's a dumbed down strategy game and isn't that much differerent than worms or lemmings.