Could it be??? Thief's Garrett seen in broad daylight?!?

[photoasylum]

I'm sure some, or even many of you Thief players have discovered this visual easter egg in Deadly Shadows, but for me it was the first time, and it actually took me a few seconds before I realized what I was looking at...

I'm currently playing TDS for the fourth time through, this time on expert difficulty (IMO the only true way to fully appreciate how great this game is) and taking a solemn oath NOT to kill anyone (except, of course, creatures). Like the previous Thief games, this makes things much more of a challenge...

Well, I've gotten to the third mission, The Pagan Sanctuary, near the beginning in the caves that come out of the well entrance in The City. To get some loot, Garrett has to climb up a few heavy wooden beams and walk up into the rafters of one tunnel.

So, I'm up there, and after I grab the stuff, I happen to look up (never occured to me the other times I played as I was more worried about falling), and lo-and-behold, instead of the ceiling of the cave, I see the rock opens up to reveal the outside, and what do we see?

Blue daylight sky and sunlit clouds... :eek: See screenshot...

Now, maybe my memory is failing me, but I can't recall any game scenes in any of the Thief series where Garrett was out during the daytime. Can any of you?

I think this is pretty cool. And, of course I'll disregard the fact that it was nighttime (as it always is) in The City when Garrett started the mission, and I'll bet the farm it's gonna be nighttime when he finishes it and emerges from the Pagan Sanctuary... :D

[Suicides-by-Steve]

Yes, in the original (or at least Thief:Gold), Garret, when he enters through the mine shaft to rescue his fence from the Hammerite prison, enters during daylight hours.

[Aku]

Yeah, I saw that. If you play T2X: Shadows of the Metal Age, there is one mission where you are outdoors in the daytime. You've played TDS four times? I couldn't imagine playing it four times. Fan missions for Thief and Thief 2 are so much better. Of course, when fan missions for TDS come out I'll try those.

[Jupiter_x]

Yeah, I saw that. If you play T2X: Shadows of the Metal Age, there is one mission where you are outdoors in the daytime. You've played TDS four times? I couldn't imagine playing it four times. Fan missions for Thief and Thief 2 are so much better. Of course, when fan missions for TDS come out I'll try those.


Fan missions? Are these mods for the thief series? I have heard of a couple of mission downloads over the last couple of months for Thief 2!

[photoasylum]

Hmmm, methinks you've played these games WAY too much to come up with that so quickly, but of course, you're right! Second mission of The Dark Project. Seems like a lifetime ago, eh?

Boy, I should have remembered that one, as it was one of the most dynamic game exeriences I've ever had. I had just started playing Thief, and nothing (certainly not the first mission) could have prepared me for going from the peaceful, tranquil DAYLIGHT start of the Break From Cragscleft Prison mission to the shaft leading to the haunted mines.

Of course after a while I learned it was very easy to escape the zombies, but that first time I was scared sh*tless a few times (I play in the dark with headphones).

Still, the "hidden sky" in TDS is pretty cool in itself, as it's not obvious unless you look for it....

[photoasylum]

Fan missions for Thief and Thief 2 are so much better. Of course, when fan missions for TDS come out I'll try those.

...once I got completely used to the new graphics of TDS, I became immersed in the game and story every bit as much as the two previous games. I mean, it's not like I've been playing it four times in a row. I've played other games in between...

I really don't know anything about the fan missions for the first two games. I have trouble understanding how a fm game can be anyway near as good as the original. What are they like?

[Aku]

Fan missions? Are these mods for the thief series? I have heard of a couple of mission downloads over the last couple of months for Thief 2!

Tons of fan missions are available for Thief and Thief 2. In a way, you can't say you've played the Thief games until you've played at least some of the more famous fan missions (like Lorgan's Web and Calendra's Cistern for Thief, Rowena's Curse and Ominous Bequest for Thief 2, and large campaigns like Calendra's Legacy and T2X: Shadows of the Metal Age).

[Jupiter_x]

Tons of fan missions are available for Thief and Thief 2. In a way, you can't say you've played the Thief games until you've played at least some of the more famous fan missions (like Lorgan's Web and Calendra's Cistern for Thief, Rowena's Curse and Ominous Bequest for Thief 2, and large campaigns like Calendra's Legacy and T2X: Shadows of the Metal Age).

I cleared Thief years ago, still playing T:2&3 though. What is the best site to D/L the fan missions from?

I have heard of the site called "The Keep of Metal and Gold"...any good?

Is this Thief 2x a fan made mod aswell? I realize this is almost an entire game (10+ missions?)

[photoasylum]

You've played TDS four times? I couldn't imagine playing it four times.

To me that's not an unusual amount of times for a great game, and the replay value of TDS is pretty strong. First time was on regular difficulty setting. Second time on highest difficulty alligned with the Hammers. Once more, but alligned with the Pagans, and finally this time making a self-rule to get through without killing anyone.

Each one has been a very different game experience...

[Mochan]

Hmmm, methinks you've played these games WAY too much to come up with that so quickly, but of course, you're right!

LOL, I only played thorugh the Thief campaign once and that mission jumped to my mind immediately when you mentioned it. And for that matter, the training mission is in daytime, too!

You been playing too much Splinter Cell, booya!!!

[Suicides-by-Steve]

Oh yes! It is too!

I too am playing through SC, and have now migrated to Pandora Tomorrow. Why the hell did they change the engine!? It SUCKS compared to the first... The only reason I can think they did this is to incorporate the online component within the game. IMO though, it's a real hit in performance, both gameplay-wise, and CPU-wise. Haven't really picked it up again after the original.

[Jupiter_x]

Oh yes! It is too!

I too am playing through SC, and have now migrated to Pandora Tomorrow. Why the hell did they change the engine!? It SUCKS compared to the first... The only reason I can think they did this is to incorporate the online component within the game. IMO though, it's a real hit in performance, both gameplay-wise, and CPU-wise. Haven't really picked it up again after the original.


Pandora Tomorrow is decent, but surprizingly short. Wait'll you play Chaos Theory.......Wow! This game is the best one so far. The graphics alone would make Doom 3 drop its ego! The core gameplay is simply smoother and you can perform quite a few more and different styles of attacks and evasions! Just get this game! :D

[photoasylum]

Like I said, seems like a lifetime ago...

The thing I liked best about the training mission was discovering the basketball court. I never realized they had that game way back then... :D

[Aku]

To me that's not an unusual amount of times for a great game, and the replay value of TDS is pretty strong. First time was on regular difficulty setting. Second time on highest difficulty alligned with the Hammers. Once more, but alligned with the Pagans, and finally this time making a self-rule to get through without killing anyone.

Eh, I thought most of the missions were very linear and without much replay value. And the roleplaying element of aligning yourself with Hammers or Pagans had no real effect on the game or on how things played out.

[photoasylum]

"Eh, I thought most of the missions were very linear and without much replay value."

Perhaps, but IMO not any more or less than the other two Thief games, and I enjoyed playing those multiple times as well...

"And the roleplaying element of aligning yourself with Hammers or Pagans had no real effect on the game or on how things played out."

Well, I agree there was no real advantage to aligning with the Pagans, but aligning with the Hammmers made things much easier for Garrett at several spots the game, most notably Fort Ironwood. And later in the game some of the city streets are patrolled by Hammerites, and if you're in their favor (unlike the citywatch) they leave you alone...

[Aku]

Perhaps, but IMO not any more or less than the other two Thief games, and I enjoyed playing those multiple times as well...

Whoa! Thief 1 and 2 have missions that are extremely non-linear, with multiple entry points, lots of secrets, and numerous ways to work your way through them. TDS is mostly connect the dots. Few secrets. Missions like the clock tower have basically only one way to get through them. There's no real sense of exploration in most of the TDS missions. Although The Cradle was fun.

[photoasylum]

Tons of fan missions are available for Thief and Thief 2.

Assuming the design and gameplay of most of these fan missions is near pro-quality, I guess my biggest question is: are all of these FMs created using new characters or are they with Garrett?

I mean, if they use Garrett, how do they do the voice work? Re-use dialogue files? Or have someone else do the voice...

I simply can't imagine Stephen Russell doing any kind of voicework that wasn't licensed, and I can't imagine anyone else doing an impersonation of him good enough to pass for him in a game.

[Aku]

99% of them are with you as Garrett. There's a couple where you're not Garrett, and T2X is done entirely with a new female character. Some fan missions just reuse sound bites from the original games. In missions with original dialogue, Garrett's voice is done by other actors (there's a couple of them over on the ttlg boards that do Garrett's voice in most of the fan missions where he speaks).

[photoasylum]

Thanks for the info. Makes sense...

As for Thief DS, I still feel it is much more similar to the first two Thief games than different, and deserves a rightful spot as part of the storied franchise.

Dark Project and Metal Age are still my two favorite games, and I agree they captured a kind of magic that will never be duplicated.

Though TDS is indeed different (which was inevitable under the circumstances), I was still greatly surprised at how much fun I had playing it and what a tremendous job they did of continuing the story, feel, and atmosphere of the first two.

For me, the appeal of the Thief games is very simple: story, atmosphere, humor, and voice acting. And IMO, these aspects have all been carried over to TDS beautifully, and that is why I enjoyed it so much.

Say what you want, but I'd put at least a handful of missions in TDS right up there with my favorites from Thief I or II. There were times when I almost forgot I was playing TDS, it seemd so much like the other two.

I've never found this whole linear, non-linear thing to be that big a deal, and I think it's a somewhat flawed way to compare the games. In the final analysis, all three Thief games are both linear as well as "connect-the-dots". The developers just do a great job of disguising it, that's all.

BTW, the first mission in TDS has THREE ways to enter (and leave) Rutherford Castle. You are then allowed to explore in any way or direction you want, as long as you eventually find the loot and complete the mission quests. Fort Ironwood is that way too, as well as some other missions. Most of the mission areas have loot and literature well hidden in all kinds of out of the way spaces that make you explore. In my book that's pretty non-linear...

Not only that, but many of the missions in the first two Thief games do indeed have SINGLE entry and exit points as well, only allowing you to explore after you've used them. This is the way most of TDS works, too. Go in a single way, explore in any direction or order you want, then get out. I don't see much difference.

If anything, I think "The City" in TDS makes it the least linear of the three, as Garrett can now wander about wherever he wants whenever he wants, stealing from whomever he wants, then deciding what to fence and what supplies to buy. There is nothing even close to this freedom or sponaneity in the first two games. I found myself doing this quite a bit in TDS, going around The City for various periods of time, only returning to the main story arc when I felt like it...

Anyway, I guess we just see the third game differently. And I think you're right about the fan missions for the first two games. I'm going to make it a point to check them out!

[Aku]

If anything, I think "The City" in TDS makes it the least linear of the three, as Garrett can now wander about wherever he wants whenever he wants, stealing from whomever he wants, then deciding what to fence and what supplies to buy. There is nothing even close to this freedom or sponaneity in the first two games. I found myself doing this quite a bit in TDS, going around The City for various periods of time, only returning to the main story arc when I felt like it...

You should post over on the ttlg boards.....and watch the sparks fly! ;) The City in TDS is dreary and tiny. Sure you can wander around it, but there's nothing much to do. You can literally walk around the main quarter where your apartment is in about 30 seconds. It's really just a setting for entering missions. In the first two you just enter the missions from the interface. But the missions themselves have far more variety in them. For example, in TDS there is a secret passage in the mission where you're at that island house (forget the name). The passage is a duct that leads from the bedroom back to the hall. And there's one other one. Big deal. In the original games, there are secret passages all over the place. You can spend hours looking for secret switches, rafters to climb onto, pools to dive into that lead somewhere. And the missions are bigger - much bigger, like Down in the Bonehoard (try T2X for a city mission that will make you forget all about the punty city in TDS). In TDS the missions are very small. I'll give it to you that atmosphere in TDS is great, but the missions themselves just don't measure up to the earlier games, except for The Cradle, which is really good, and the museum mission and the one with the walking statues were fun. And the story is good. These two elements saved the game for me. That, and the promise of fan missions.

[photoasylum]

"You should post over on the ttlg boards.....and watch the sparks fly! ;)..."

Nah, I have nothing to worry about. My heart will always be in the first two Thief games.

Never said TDS was better, it's just that it far exceeded my expectations, and I had a lot of fun playing it, that's all...

[photoasylum]

Funny you should mention the swimming. One thing that DID bother me about TDS is how Garrett suddenly forgot how to swim.

Yeah, the swimming in the earlier games was great. I mean, right from the get-go in TDP when you enter the sewers under Lord Bafford's Manor, then swim around to fnd that secret room. Cool stuff, and set the tone for the game...

On the other hand, overall the secrets and secret passages didn't do a whole lot for me in I & II. They certainly weren't the reason I liked the games so much. Sure, they were fun the first time I discovered them. After that, I kind of went through the motions each time I played.

Oh, yeah, gotta remember the lever under the bed, so I can open the 'secret compartment', which I already know about...

One thing you have to admit was cool in TDS was the secret escape mission from Pavelock Prison. I call it a secret mission because you could play through TDS many times and never discover that mission if you didn't have Garrett do one of the things that triggers him being arrested. For me it was a nice surprise, as I didn't even know about it until the third time I played.

Ironically, I got arrested after I fell in some water. The 'old' Garrett would have just swam away... :D

[Supermario999]

The Title of this thread is 'Could it be - Garrett seen in broad Daylight'. Very useful, I have to say.

I would like ALL postings on the net to have CLEAR titles like: 'About Thief 3' or so.

I'd like to report that Calendra's Legacy crashes always right after Quickloading or Loading of a saved game - I got a Gigabyte NVIDIA 6800 GT,
AGP 4X. Now Thief 1 and 2 work fine when one installs the famous NIMO CODEC PACK.
Calendra doesn't.

At last, I wanna say that I really have a justified disdain for the Website and Taffer-Home called TTLG. For saying 'I'm sorry' in a new thread I was banned by Gingerbread Man, after I criticised T2X, that new crap-pseudo-Thief-Ungame, in discussions with RAEN (a designer of the crap) and 242, MaryCWMBach and other wannabees.
They all defend their crappy freetime-creations, but dont know what a real Dark Project is.
Also, Calendra is too much on sneaking that's incredibly hard, and when even the game is unstable, its no fun anymore.
I won't play ANY FMs anymore, and replaying OMs is really only worthy if you plan to design a GOOD (!) Thief Game yourself.
Them guild-taffaz mostly STINK up to heaven.
and thats my experience with those 'people'.
Evrywhere I go, I get to the names of those people now! The net seems to be a place DOMINATED by a few guys who fought (or slept) their way up that 'society'-taffer-ladder - I kick that ladder down, with ALL them on it! I will just kick it down. Even if I do myself have to go then - at least, I got my pride of having them torn down.

Oh, by the way I learned on that crappy TTLG-****page that Mr. TUMBLEWEED was thrown out of the T2X-Project (probably cuz he was OK!), criticised T2X (provable: go to TTLG, T2X, the post 'Oh My G'd', I think), and RAEN said immediately that 'unconstrucitve' ciriticism would be not welcome. Well, what kind of crisiticism then? I think RAEN is unwilling to accept ANY crisitcism, anbd TUMBLEWEED is 1000 % right saying that the display elements of T2X (energy, light gem, bowsight) is CRAPPY!
Raen just defends T2X cuz he made it, partially.
Raen, you're a SILLY COW. Go to Kindergarden.
Tumble, you're a GENIUS, a REAL ARTIST. Keep it up gainst the ****AZ!

[moya]

Well, that showed them. You've clearly demonstrated an awesome level of maturity in coming here to troll and ***** about your problems with an entirely unconnected website. But whatever gets you through the day... Go on, kick that taffer-ladder down! WTF DUDE LOL?!?>

And I'd just like to point out the irony meter has exploded since you start your post by criticising the topic title (which is anyway ludicrous since the first post WAS about the title of the thread), and then end with two sizeable paragraphs which have nothing to do with either the actual topic title or your suggested replacement! In fact, I think I'm starting to see why Gingerbread Man banned you.

[And_so_it_goes]

I'm surprised you could even make sense of it, lol.

[Aku]

No wonder he got kicked off TTLG, bashing the most ambitious fan-created mod ever done for Thief. Maybe he can design something better than T2X (which took five years of collaboration to produce) and "show them how it's done". Sure.

[Mochan]

Ignoring the troll, I'm thinking of getting Chaos Theory. I am weary of it though because it has that accursed software, Star Force. I hated Beyond Divnity but I would have only become disinterested with its mediocre game if that were all, but it also had Star Force!! Grr! Headache!!!

Did not particularly enjoy Splinter Cell but Chaos Theory looks like it got it right and I wanna do the multiplayer thing.


And I agree with Aku. Thief 1 and 2 missions were HUGE and there were lots of ways to go about them all. Thief 3 missions felt claustrophobic in comparison despite the fact that you were in one big interconnected world (that loads every few blocks lol).

Now I'm not knocking Thief 3 (not overly anyway, lol) and I liked the game a lot but Thief 2 was better and Thief 1 was the best.

[Supermario999]

I don't know why people evrywhere dislike my kind of thinking. I think it's unfair.
Why Mochan agrees with Aku, I don't know, It was ME who said Thief 1 and 2 were the best, and I say again only the truth in the perspective of my own experience: T2X is clearly made in people's freetime, it doesnt even reach the standard of Deadly (boring and quickly thru-played, with no attractiveness of being re-played) Shadows.
So I'm A Troll. In Morrowwind I'm an Ork. So, here the same story like in TTLG.
Most of you folks talk very often about kicking down me, and then demand that evryone sais only words of concern.
I think the point is, that I'm being HARASSED on most of the Sites on the Net, and yes, folks, I think I'm right. But goodbye forever, I won't bother all your most ROYAL Highnesses anymore. May we not meet.

[Mochan]

Just because I agree with some things you say, doesn't mean I have to agree with everything you say, and it certainly doesn't mean I'm "in your camp" or any of that politcal BS.

This is a message board for discussion and we do end up taking sides on issues but this isn't a political arena where we form camps to bash on everyone not affiliated.

The reason I dislike your kind of thinking is because you are apparently espousing some kind of political party system where you must "gain supporters" to rally to your cause, which frankly is best left for the politicians of badly democratic third world countries and not civilized gamers like ourselves. ;)
Heaven knows I've done some political mongering myself and I know it doesn't end well.

Further that "cause" of yours is totally whack and I don't think anyone here will give you sympathy because just about everyone here is friendly to TTLG and appreciates their contribution to the Thief community.

You may say that T2X isn't as good as TDS, sure that's fine (I can't comment since I haven't played T2X yet) but there is no place for you to bash the modders (and in a very inflammatory fashion as well) for their hardwork. I'm known for my excessive criticism on PC games here but even I don't go around saying "they stink up to heaven" or crap like that. Your criticism is very personal, it's not directed at the mod but at the people themselves.

As long as you keep up this kind of attitude there won't be many sites on the net which won't "harrass" you. And I use the term lightly because if anyone is doing the harrassing, it isn't the message board.

If you're still reading this I hope you take this to heart and reflect on it, so you don't go around ticking off every message board you go to since I went through the trouble of typing this up. I may sound a little patronizing and stuck up here with my royal highness ass but take it as you will.

[Aku]

I think the point is, that I'm being HARASSED on most of the Sites on the Net, and yes, folks, I think I'm right. But goodbye forever, I won't bother all your most ROYAL Highnesses anymore. May we not meet.

Oh for God's sake....you insult a major fan-made mod that's really a Thief 2 expansion, done for free by talented and selfless people, then you insult them by calling them crap artists, and *you're* the one being harassed? LOL!!! Who do you think you are anyway? You basically walk into a room where everyone knows everyone else - for years - and start to insult them, then act surprised when you're tossed out the front door. Your mistake was coming over to this board, thinking that you could find a bunch of ignoramuses you could vent to. Unfortunately for you, many people over here are big Thief fans, and a few here (including me) are regulars over on the TTLG boards. So your attempt to draw sympathy for your little hissy fit has failed miserably. My advice to you is that it isn't your opinion about things that is the problem, it's your attitude and immaturity. The fact that you are harassed everywhere you go on the Net should give you a clue that the problem isn't with the Net, it's with you.

[DBS]

Just because you did not enjoy what many people have put hundreds of hours of unpaid work into doesn't mean everyone agrees with you or should. I love the modding community and it is these lovers of games that improve and keep old fond memories alive and kicking. They take what is great and try and expand on it.

You want to tear into something and rip it to shreds take a gander at some of the crap coming out from the big wigs, EA etc who make millions on old stale products with no guts to try much creative out anymore. Madden 2211 anyone??? Ok, I give them Undying but that was just about their last gamble. EA is not alone either...it is a growing problem in gaming as we get more and more of the same ****.

As for not sticking around here you probably shouldn't. This is a site full of hardcare and casual gamers but we all love the hobby. We evaluate the games we play in a often surprising degree of maturity with a few members who are superior reviewers and a ton of technically gifted members. Many have worked on modding and know what is involved and because of this you picked the wrong site and the wrong mod to rip on.

Good Riddance

[Supermario999]

:) I'd like to adress all of you in Videogamers:

Thanks for having taken the time to really and truthfully enlighten me in the Matter of Forum Usage and General Netiquette.
I think I understand what you mean, and I agree that T2X was made for free, anyone can download it, but I think that in general strategy, T2X differs a LOT from Thief 1 and 2, and my critic is not to be taken generally against all T2X - but also Tumbleweed was complaining to RAEN, how these display elements could have gotten 'out' and how some levels were hastefully designed!
Please tell me where I can make a little discussion about T2X! I really don't want to insult anyone, oh, I'm so sad, I just want to meet people with the same intrest: playin Thief 1 and 2! All I received for my HONEST criticism, but well, spoken out very badly, was disdain. :(
One more thing: Just that a game is made in the freetime of people doesn't relieve it, a famous (!) game, of keeping certain well-known all-games-covering standards, in the optimal case, that would be!
But I just aimed too high with bow. Again: I'm sorry, but would appreciate answer to my request in order to find people to discuss T2X and Thief Games. Thank you very much. (I'm only intrested in participating in the discussion how to make further thief games. I will in the near future TRY to start editing, I think each mission and each game is a a matter of taste, and there, I liked Thief 1, cuz it has a lot of TASTE)

[Supermario999]

Second Question: Nowhere I found anyone who could tell me what 'The DARK MOD' is! I think something with Doom3 and Thief, is that a game that combines the two games? I didn't find it to download. Thanks.

[Supermario999]

I'm not sorry for this third post, cuz I'm not able to alter posts after 15 min -
what I wanna say: I'm 100% sticking to my original attitude, folks: I did NOT like T2X at certain important points, and yes, I made mistakes, but in your opinion, I see you all talked a whole LOT here, a newbie or rookie has to bow down before old thierf veterans. I don't think so. I do NOT bow down before you. This method of education works where it is fair - where it's not, it doesn't work.

[Renzatic Gear]

Err...I think you're reading more into this than what's actually going on. It's not that you didn't like T2X, it's how you went about saying you didn't like it. Pointing fingers, screaming about how it all sucked, and claiming elitism isn't a good way to present your side of the argument.

And The Dark Mod isn't out yet, there's still alot left to be done.

[Aku]

No one here cares that you don't like T2X. I liked T2X, but it doesn't matter to me if someone doesn't. I've heard good reasons why it didn't grab some people. But when you flame the people who made it, and act surprised when they boot you, you're not going to get a whole lot of sympathy. You also have a big chip on your shoulder. No one here said or implied that you bow down to anyone. The knocks you got were based on the merits of your post. If you already had a thousand posts here and knew everyone and made that post, you still would have gotten knocked. Great that you want to talk about the Thief games, because they're great games.

[Supermario999]

Aku: I liked T2X, but it doesn't matter to me if someone doesn't.

Ahaaa! And U say the 'knocks' I received were merited. But your opinion is the only counting one. Soso. Bye-Bye, I don't wanna talk anymore with people like you! ('Knock-Knock!)

[Aku]

Ahaaa! And U say the 'knocks' I received were merited. But your opinion is the only counting one. Soso. Bye-Bye, I don't wanna talk anymore with people like you! ('Knock-Knock!)

I don't know how old you are, but I'm hoping for your sake you're about twelve, because that's about the maturity level of your posts. Your response shows that either you did not understand a word of what I said, or are not capable of logical thought. I would suggest you re-read the third sentence of my post again so you understand why you have problems with people on boards like this, but you just don't seem to get it. For whatever reason, you fail to grasp that you bring this stuff on yourself. You're right, it is time for you to say goodbye.

[Supermario999]

even better: I correct my 'bye-bye' to a 'Hi Again, Until You0re just, I WILL bother you and troll around here'! :-) PS: At TTLG, I was criticised as 'idio-syncratic'- which means I would see all only out of my own subjective perspective and would not try to overcome that. It wasn't and isn't true. AKU is the one who is extremely idiosyncratic. And also: Of course, all is personal! It were PERSONS who designed T2X, and I see that RAEN, for example, is very vulnerable - he wouldn't be if he would be sure of his capabilties. T2X doesn't AT ALL merit its fame, for people who knwo how Thief1 works, T2X doesnt have any fame. Of course people who have done something that leans onto onto a famous game like Thief, have to defend their work against ANY criticism. Criticism is REALLY a bad thing to be done. Evryone who criticises ANYthing in this world should be immediately BEHEADED like in the middle-age and until THIS century it was done. THIS is your TRUE attitude, Aku. Mochan is really better there, but he dislikes me, how he sad. Well. Mochan, I think if you would know me personally, you would have a little more respect. I think most of you defend T2X as well as TTLG-people (wannabees). :-) - because you're so proud of your skills achieved in freetime, that you ignore the STANDARDS any game has to have. Real pro-Gamers are different from you people. They are not only friendly, but also fair, and not too proud of themselves. But here and at TTLG I did in fact land in kindergarden!

[Aku]

SuperMario, you are a moron with an enormous persecution complex. You also could probably use some psychiatric help. It's not about your opinions. It's about you, and your attitude, and the way you come off with people. You are obviously socially dysfunctional. You troll boards because you wouldn't be tolerated anyplace else where people could physically remove you. I'm not even going to pick apart your last post because it is just so rambling and stupid it isn't worth the effort. Go and get a life, try and make some friends, learn how to interact with other human beings. Please.

[Supermario999]

SuperMario, you are a moron with an enormous persecution complex. You also could probably use some psychiatric help... You are obviously socially dysfunctional... I'm not even going to pick apart your last post because it is just so rambling and stupid it isn't worth the effort. Go and get a life, try and make some friends, learn how to interact with other human beings...

I just have to quote you, Dearest Aku, I don't even have to comment your post, only, that it is the one who is 'rambling', and that you are not willing to look at my arguments that beat you down, in fact!

Trying like TTLG to MAKE me an outsider, is a common method used by common people, and insulting me that bad is the method of school-terrorizing hooligan pupils. I told until this does'nt stop and you at least accept my criticism and also my kind of behaviour which is (mostly, if not all try to arouse my anger!) 100% adequate, I am going to stick around here, until one day, maybe, I repeat myself too many times answering to your insults of my person.

I told you T2X doesnt meet offical standards and for that, you exclude me. It is good evryone is able to see that here! :-)

[Supermario999]

Oh, and, Aku: I don't even reply to your couloured bunch of insults. Shall I? If so, just say so and I will. In the same way as you did: Always pretending to be 'objective' and not too frankly insulting a person, but trying to undermine its credibility! Shall I do that with you as well?
Have a nice life, Aku, I think someday, your batteries will run out!

[Renzatic Gear]

Man Aku, you got 3 posts out of him right in a row! Lets see if you can keep him going..I think he's just warming up!

[Supermario999]

The main thing is: It has always been a common way to put differently thinking people in madhouses.

Well, you haven't got the power to really put me in one, but you say I would belong there.

Well, you're right in the following: I am an outsider, and things like this happen to me, well, not often, but over the years quite a few times then and there. Which doesn't mean its right to push one down, but it's true I seem to attract being beaten down because I fail to know the SOCIAL CODES of communication, my brother explained that to me just yesterday.

How DARE you to insult me by pseudo-analyzing me? My guess is, Aku, you're quite a normal person.

I got beaten up by punks, so I don't say that alternative people are in the least better!

Probalby you jump up and down by learning I was beaten up once, you can jump even higher in school, nearly evryday, that was the case.

For more than ten years now, I havne't got ANY violence or social problems of ANY kind. I live how I want to, and realize often siome people are jealous of my freedom or try to beat or insult me, just cuz I play music on the streets (and very well, I can say).

Sad, cuz I read the first pages of this thread, well Its useless smalltalk about some spots of levels of TDS, really a waste of words.

You have to accept evryone if he's got some serious arguments, you cannot keep your forums subjective province guilds that stand and fall with ther pride of some mediocre freetime-gamers which have been there over the years.

Sorry, Aki, but neither your social nor your discussive point towards me hold.
But do continue like that, I will know one of you folks when I get to you and will act accordingly.

[Supermario999]

another thing:

At first, you told me 'No wonder you got banned by TTLG!'.

Well: You know why? First, the Admin (ginger) told me to edit my posts in stead of creating new ones. So, I thought, It may distrub them if I continue to post on this thread, so I posted a new thread, which was the WRONG thing to do, I see that ONLY NOW!!! The Admin then was angry when in my new thread, I changed my long post to one sentence: 'I'm Sorry for my long posts and for having disturbed this Forum'.
Then, the admin said he was tired of this 'retro-editing ****' and I was banned, and still am.
I admit that I breaked out there once calling 242 a swearword (MF), but instantly edited my post to normal words. Why did I break out? I asked them THE SAME QUESTION like User SmithPD (Where's the entrance to the sewers in level 8) and 242 and others, after bashing on me frequently and in one rush, said it was MY OWN FAULT I didn't find that entrance. I was runnin round in the wrong place for almost hours.
So I got mad cuz they JUST DEFENDED THEIR T2X and seemed to SHIELD evry critic away like a Cardassian Nazi-Spaceship.

So. No wonder he. No wonder you folks are the same as THEM (TTLG, not the Nazis or Cardassians, huhu) , I'd say! Cheerio! :D

[Aku]

Man Aku, you got 3 posts out of him right in a row! Lets see if you can keep him going..I think he's just warming up!

Heh-heh.

[Aku]

I told you T2X doesnt meet offical standards and for that, you exclude me. It is good evryone is able to see that here! :-)

No one excluded you because you don't like T2X. You're not even excluded - you don't shut up!

Well, you're right in the following: I am an outsider, and things like this happen to me, well, not often, but over the years quite a few times then and there. Which doesn't mean its right to push one down, but it's true I seem to attract being beaten down because I fail to know the SOCIAL CODES of communication, my brother explained that to me just yesterday.

You should listen more to your brother. He makes sense.

How DARE you to insult me by pseudo-analyzing me? My guess is, Aku, you're quite a normal person.

I've got a Phd in psuedo-analysis from Berkeley.

I got beaten up by punks, so I don't say that alternative people are in the least better!

Probalby you jump up and down by learning I was beaten up once, you can jump even higher in school, nearly evryday, that was the case.

Huh?

ISad, cuz I read the first pages of this thread, well Its useless smalltalk about some spots of levels of TDS, really a waste of words.

Endearing yourself to the group again. Try walking into a room where people are conversing, eavesdrop on a conversation, then tell the people that what they've just said is unimportant and a waste of breath. Then come back here and tell me what kind of reaction you got. It should be most amusing.

Are you on any behavior modification drugs BTW? Just curious. Again, get a friend - the flesh-and-blood kind (I strongly suspect you don't have any). Learn how to socialize better. Every single critique of you here has been about your dysfunctional personality, NOT what you think about T2X.

This is the most fun I've had on this board in a long time. Actually, I'm liking this a little too much...

[Renzatic Gear]

This is the most fun I've had on this board in a long time. Actually, I'm liking this a little too much...
Yup, that's the whole reason why I started posting on System Wars way back in the day. It's fun arguing with random people on the intarweb. Shame they've all calmed down recently. :P

[Supermario999]

renzatic gear, thanks for not having beaten down on me, you're ok.

aku: I told 50 % of my lifestory and you don't even SEEM to be willing to understand me. I'm sticking fully to the point: T2X-Critics and how a person is and behaves and receives behaviour, is the same thing, though in the english hemisphere (rather a temporary cultural 'dys'-phenomenon), it's considered (cuz of the system of language) as two different subjects: Social "Isuues" and other "issues" like Cooking or PC-Playing etc. Evrything is an "Issue" - then, one doesn't see the connection betwixt thangs anymo'!
Folks, I'm not gonna post endlessly anymore, I do that as a real defence system which I'm very much in need of A) cuz of my own unreasonable fear, I fully aadmit, and B) cuz of the particular general attutude of people and their habits and so on.
I mean with this board, I from now on wanna be (!) as friendly and undistrubing as I can, but with Aku, I got "A Chicken to Pluck", how we say in German.

Aku, Man, I don't wanna insult you like you did to me.
(And then backing up with a career degree; Do you need that?)
Oh, he's godda PHD! No wonder you analyzied me that WRONG and BAD and absolutely Average-Medicine-like. Go get some REAL inspiration, I could say, but would be weak answer to you statement.
I BET I nowhere agree neither with your political, nor with your gameplaying-,
nor with your medical and therefore general and socio-cultural view of IT ALL.
Watch the Movie "Lawrence from Arabia". That will get you a good idea of how a serious, honest and honourable man is made to an outsider by his own people (and to a hero figure, at the same time!), and how that new arab way of living is just not comparable with the barbarian football- and whiskey-english brutal and so-called "civilized" (=murdering) un-culture.

I drink peppermint tea evry day, it's good against the heat and it gives me a glimpse to how back then it was in the big tent with the Nomads.
I also like Lapsang, but not for evryday, only in winter.
Oh, and aku, I don't take any hard drugs, again, it's clear you're on your slimy way trying to undermine my (and Evryone's who tells you thze truth) credibilty.
It doesn^t work, man, also watch the movie "ONE FLEW OVER THE COOKOO'S NEST" and you'll know what I think of psychiatry (the western, modern way of clear Inquistion and National Socialsm; Faschism IS Psychiatry! Until YOU don't shut up with your middle-age medical degree-bluffing, I will surely NOT shut up. Your medical and general attitude give me the CREEPS and I know what I'm talking about here. May we NOT meet you AKKUmulator.

[Renzatic Gear]

Hey, what was your name on TTLG anyway?

Edit: Nevermind, I found ya.

[Supermario999]

Renzatic: Please consider how AKU insulted me some posts up from here. I don't presume that you're talking about me or regarding me an alien or something of the kind, maybe I'll just ask: I said you're ok and thanked you for not having harassed me and I meant it. In the case that you went thru some discussions there, man, THAT would be really cool. you'll see also my faults, but will clearly see how most others just bashed down on me. And I contributed to the solution of T2X, also ( how to finsh level 12 The CURE). So, Friday, I'm in love...

[Renzatic Gear]

You really don't handle arguments well, man. You get overly offended and take things way too personally.

No one's attacking you cuz you're different or weird or anything like that. They're attacking you because of the way you present yourself.

[Supermario999]

ok, this will not be my first self-critic:

1.: posts too long
2.: presenting myself too boldly, criticising T2X too much
3.: freaking out for being told it was my own fault not having found something many didn't

--> there, you see, be thanked for your most kindness of talk. No irony! But: I do really have a point: That I don't 'lead' or 'have' a 'normal' life is no jusitfication to insult me.
Well. Aku did very mucho so. But thru typing also, u get 2 know folks. I think it's cooler to be cool with one who is already hurt, and I think it's not cool to show off with one's degree after commitment of a major insult against another one.

I wanna let Aku know that he SUCCEEDED in hurting me.But I think that wasn't even your intention, youseem to be very stubborn in your social status, Aku, you even think you have the right view of the world, u haven't.
and that u say, my brother would make sense, that was EXACTLY what I expected you to say (I already laughed at you while writing my words that had you react like this in my thoughts!) !!!
People: It's PEOPLE we're always dealing with - EVRYthang IS utmost personal!

[moya]

Is this a flame war?

Because, if so, then it's the weirdest and most one-sided flame war I've ever seen. Supermario999, here's a little tip: Stop now; you've gone past the point of embarrassing yourself and are now in the realm of uber-stupidity. In fact, I don't even know what you're saying anymore. Are you trying to tell us you've got a crush on Aku?

I swear reading this thread has destroyed 6.7 formerly healthy brain cells. I'm out.

I LIEK THEIF!

[Supermario999]

ok, moya, cuz your nickname is one my favourite songs of the band 'The Southern Death Cult' ("Moya"). I'm sorry, but re-read my posts carefully and thou wilst discover sense in them.

ANOTHER question about playing FAN MISSIONS:

Can someone be of technical assitance? I think MANY got the same problem:
I have darkloader 4.1, I think, and have the file convict,osm and those user-script-files, and I use as Thief 1 Thief Gold or Platinum.
Now, when u install all normally, mostly, in the game, you can't move up or down with the mouse, only to the right and left! Very funny, anyone knows the prob?
Then, even if this overcome (at rare tries which I can't trace back how I've done it), always, when I'm clicking right mouse-wise on the SWORD in EVENTS AT HIGHROCK, or on the Door Unlocker Item, the whole game crashes instantly and with no further errors or delays to the beautiful desktop.
I tried installing and de-installing the famouse NIMO-CODEC-PACK (5-0), which helps for T2X and Thief, nada.
All else runs on my pc, there aren't any win probs. its something with the fan missions and how they're integrated in the Thief Dir. Thanks for help. But I expect none after my horrible behaviour (shall I repeat what I said? That I admit my faults, but that others only tried to make me an outsider which I am already? but moya, sorry for your brain cells, I 'liek' thief too. (ok aku: peece man ok? i laughed a lot reading the reactions to my posts :-) and aku: somedays, my own batteries or akkus will run out too, of course, let's shake hands virtually, but don't crush my hand like Chelsea Kelso in the Peter-Sellers-Movie "THE PARTY", ok? Well Birdie-Nam-Nam Then!

[Aku]

Oh, he's godda PHD! No wonder you analyzied me that WRONG and BAD and absolutely Average-Medicine-like.

My Phd in pseudo-analysis is what is known as.......a JOKE. Oh man, you're too much. Your posts are way entertaining, though.

Mochan, where are you? You're missing all the the fun. The one day you take a holiday from this board, and look what you've missed! :D

Sincerely,
The AKKUmulator

(Lara, can I change my name?)

[Renzatic Gear]

YOU MEAN TO TELL ME YOU DO NOT HAVE A PhD? WHY YOU LIE?

I want my money back! But I'll keep the perscription kthx!

[Supermario999]

Folks, Dear, Oh my Dearest Aku and Moya and Mochan in absentiam absynthiis (et per asthmatem ad asipirinum, et quod licet schmocki non licet Spocky):

I just HAVE to share my latest experience: purest laughing.

I couldn't, until I extra went out of Ford 3 and back here for a quickie (be at ease), see thru the TEARS in my eyes.

I was laughing at us all and at IT all in general for aprox. 10 mins STRAIGHT now. I just had to share this.

(and it was not me, but Mr, Aku who claimed to have a PHD in psycho)

(and... and...)

[And_so_it_goes]

Anyone one remember Milton from Office Space? I think he lives.

[Aku]

I think it's great having someone on the board who's insane. It really livens things up! Oh no, I'm pseudo-analyzing again. I have to stop that.

[Supermario999]

I keep asking myself why aku thinks i'm insane. thanks a lot, aku.
man, for me the most important thing is: A Game should be playable for evryone, for that in thief, we got the three difficulty levels.
I think there are a lot of so-called 'Super-Taffers', they think they're 'insiders', but they're just belonging to a particular local (and therefore social and cultural) scene or guild.
Thief 1 and 2 have been designed and programmed pro-like.
T2X was a little fun for me, too, but I think it's NOT a question of taste that Thief 1 was the best, and all else that came after just went down the line of REAL gaming and level-exploring (="adventure", ever heard of somethin' like that???).

Please take a few mins to re-read my posts, but I think for aku, I really WASTED my words and "breath". Dear Aku, If you would read my last post, you would see that I tried to get on a friendly basis with you, also there, I did in fact waste my time and words. sad.
I think, aku, you come from a lower social level and have a lot of complexes, that's why you can't stand me so mucho. That's your own problem, but please, don't insult me anymore, otherwise I will insult you back, BUDDY!

[Aku]

I think, aku, you come from a lower social level and have a lot of complexes, that's why you can't stand me so mucho. That's your own problem, but please, don't insult me anymore, otherwise I will insult you back, BUDDY!

And saying I'm from a lower social level isn't insulting me? LOL! I WAS being friendly with you. If you stop being such a dope about it, we'll get along fine.

[Supermario999]

Thou shallst harvest what thou hast seeded.

[Renzatic Gear]

aka YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW!

So I guess you're gonna be eating alot of corn tonight. O_o

[Mochan]

My Phd in pseudo-analysis is what is known as.......a JOKE. Oh man, you're too much. Your posts are way entertaining, though.

Mochan, where are you? You're missing all the the fun. The one day you take a holiday from this board, and look what you've missed! :D

Sincerely,
The AKKUmulator

(Lara, can I change my name?)

Yeah, I wasted too much time playing Dungeon Seige and Call of Duty :(

[Mochan]

Yup, that's the whole reason why I started posting on System Wars way back in the day. It's fun arguing with random people on the intarweb. Shame they've all calmed down recently. :P

I can relate to that feeling....

[Supermario999]

aku: you called me a lot of times stupid long before I said that about your socail level - I am on the side of the (exteriorly) 'lower' social level, but often, people who got not a lot of money or who are punks or so, they're just violent and unfriendly.

Idon't wannabee the forum jerk anymore, and folks, please believe me or not when I say I did contribute to it, but not alone.

My concern now: What do you play? Are there still good games? Of course, Fan Missions, but re-read my post about the FM-Problem I got, could need help.
But also: I'm currently playing Doom3 (only surviving isn't that much fun, and Far Cry is too hard, you need that Superblaster-Bazooka BEFORE you get on that roof with the Chopper, I heard not over the net) and Ford 3, Ford 2 ALSO instantly crashes after the Razorblade-Image) and am very sad.

In Thief 1 and also a lot in Thief 2, I could listen to my mp3s with Foobar (or Winamp or Xenorate, but Foobar is best) and feel myself completely ENWRAPPED in that middle-age Athmosphere, at the same time, I had a clear next mission objective (would alaways wish for a spot on the map where I am), and had direct (sneaking or fighting) action and exploring and, and!
I don't wanna REPLAY Thief 1 and 2, I wanna know what good's out there!
For example, I heard "The Last Train" would also be a FIRST-PERSON-ADVENTURE, like Metroid Prime for the Nintendo Gamecube (that I don't have, and the Nintendo-DS-Emu I downloaded doesn't work).
When I realize that a game, like Neverwinter Nights, I either not in the First-Person-Perspective or mostly a strategy game, I deinstall it.
Morrowwind, yes, good engine, good adventure, but too much clicking with the mouse, without cheats, I should have dealed around there for 500 hours to get the things that are needed.
the only thing I like besides Thief-like-Games is Racing Games, Ford 2 is great, but as I said, can anyone help why it doesn't work, maybe it is a win prob, oh gosh! i got SP1 in German, Win XP Home, 1536 MB Pagefile, and 2.4 GHz P4 with 512 MB RAM and a NVIDIA 6800 GT AGP 4X. Thanks and: if you stop muttering about me, I'll do so, as well, shall we try?

and mochan: you joke about nietzsche is funny, but not really to be taken seriously, do you know what Nietzsche meant by saying ''God is dead"? It means that we're in a world without natural justice and without ANY graspable or usable sense! I think that saying, "The Builder" would answer to Nietzsche that its HIM (Nietzsche) who would be dead and so be the last one to laugh, that's a funny joke but not more. Any intellectual will tell you so. :-)

[Renzatic Gear]

I can relate to that feeling....
They've all mellowed in their old age.

[Supermario999]

The Game I mentioned as "The Last Train" is called correctly " The Last Express",
please allow my most humble self to besiege you to accept my deepest apologies and regrets in this matter of trains... expresses... You shurely don't know our European Ad with the Italian Guy: "I don't even HAVE a car, Signorina!" well, espresso, anyway, and ciao a tutti!

[Mochan]

Yeah, it's like everyone in System Wars has a wife and kid these days. Boring grouchy old men!

Last Express, I remember that game. Ultimately I didn't really get into it as I had outgrown those kinds of adventure games at the time.

[Lara]

My Phd in pseudo-analysis is what is known as.......a JOKE. Oh man, you're too much. Your posts are way entertaining, though.

Mochan, where are you? You're missing all the the fun. The one day you take a holiday from this board, and look what you've missed! :D

Sincerely,
The AKKUmulator

(Lara, can I change my name?)

LOL sure. I haven't been so entertained by you PC guys in ages. :rolleyes:

[E.T.]

Yeah, it's like everyone in System Wars has a wife and kid these days. Boring grouchy old men!

Dont look over your shoulder Mochan, but.......

[Mochan]

I do realize that just about everybody here, too has already gotten married. Isn't Hieremias on his honeymoon now or something? I think I'm the only single left here!

[moya]

Well, I think Renz is still single too. Maybe you two could hook up...

[Mochan]

No way, he puts out on prom night! I only like virgins.

[moya]

Virgins...? Oh, I get it - for feeding. Well, in that case there's only one thing for it... Mochan, meet Supermario999

[Supermario999]

I have talked only about serious matters (who DOES take somethin like PC-Gaming serious?) concerning the "issues" (...) WHAT GOOD FIRST-PERSON-ADVENTURE ARE THERE OUT, HOW DO YOU GET FAN MISSIONS TO WORK; WHY DOES FORD 2 CRASH TO THE DESK,

well, you still all seem to be joking. I'm feeling like in a bunch of football-players or like in a Mr.-Pickwick-Pub.

Aha, you have gotten 'over' such adventure games, aha.

I think I don't have to say ANYthang anymore, just, that I think that my long posts DID IN FACT EDUCATE YOU, but not for long... you that answered, sorry: who DIDN'T ANSWER ANYTHING: my long essays are a good method of letting THE TALK HERE STICK TO THE POINT.

[mandark]

I think I don't have to say ANYthang anymore, just, that I think that my long posts DID IN FACT EDUCATE YOU, but not for long... you that answered, sorry: who DIDN'T ANSWER ANYTHING: my long essays are a good method of letting THE TALK HERE STICK TO THE POINT.

For someone who keeps telling us he won't say anything anymore, you sure can't stop posting. Ironic isn't it?

[Aku]

I think I don't have to say ANYthang anymore, just, that I think that my long posts DID IN FACT EDUCATE YOU, but not for long... you that answered, sorry: who DIDN'T ANSWER ANYTHING: my long essays are a good method of letting THE TALK HERE STICK TO THE POINT.

You can't educate me, I have a Phd in pseudo-analysis. I've forgotten more than you'll ever know about the subject.

Okay, here is a first person (actually third person, but you can switch to a first person view) adventure for you. Outcast. Very rare and hard to find. Another one is System Shock 2, which you may have played since you've played Thief so much (it's by the same people). Can't help you with your Thief problems. I've never had CTD problems with Thief, and the Thief FM problems I've had have been the common ones that are fixed by reinstalling codecs or updating a line in the config file. You could try TTLG again (just open a new account with a name like IAMNOTSUPERMARIO999). ;)

[Supermario999]

hey aku, you're the one who solves this forum's problem (my utterly longposts and shoutings about personal stuff) by making me really shut up,
no, NOW im really joking, but I mean thanks.
I'll try Outcast, and, maybe, that last express isn't that good, it's just that I like the pure principle of adventure (itself).

System Shock 2, I began it once, but its very comlicated with differerent kinds of energy and ways of fighting (It's like in Morrowwind: I can't help myself: Never will I master magic or roleplaying games, that's also why Thief is (objectively) easy and good in matters of access:

Someone totally new to the game (Thief 1, for example), can't even unlock a door (there behind the drunken guard to enter Bafford's), but Thief is the most simple to use sneaking game ever made.

"The Kreed" is well-programmed, but also, there, I'm stuck (tried several times, like in Doom3 when it's unclear where to go: runnin round in the same places for a relatively long time doesn't make any game more thrilling, and of course, some TTLG people can say it's one's own fault, but I think, not evry zombie, but the average experienced PC-user should be tried in his braincells, but in a creative way (like in the Mage Towers, when u step on the platforms down and up those huge cylinders, and the huge self-encapsulating area outside betewen the towers, AH! My Heart went warm, listening to Amon Duul II. All the Gold-only Missions. Wow. Big Big Congratulations to the Makers,

I like also "Sacrifice", a middle-age strategy game, but 3D, and at the Beginning not too hard, collect souls, build up an army, grouping of troups, different formations, but at level 6 or so you have to act so quickly it isn't fun anymore. Thinking needs time, that's not a race game.

Splinter Cell 3, Hmhm. very funny. RIGHT AT THE START MAN. Noone who hasn't studied it gets anywhere. Not very enchanting as a game begin for someone new to the "Super-Duper-Shooter-Ultra-Scene-Woooo-ey". :mad:

Cate Archer was the funniest and best old-engine-and-seventies-look-shooter of all times. the two is also good, but played thru quicker. also there the turn to action (away from pure sneaking) like in T2X. Sad, but funny there.

Chrome, nice engine, with time like Paria you get fed up with killing all those people. its only how to reach the next level, that's not like a real adventure game, that's just shooters, well done, but please more freedom and atmosphere and a-little-hard (or less!) -to-find combined puzzles, not only boom boom!

Actually, I liked the action game "Lord of the Rings" (NOT Battle for Middle-Earth, that's the newest of the kind, the one I'm talking about is from 1998 or so), it's linear, but nice graphics, and a lot of different things to do, even small or even some big puzzles to solve, GREAT! Really recommendable for someone who wants a normal, nice game, set in the middle age, fantasy, action, and some adventure. That's something good. sad only few of such games exist (by my knowlegde that is VERY small!). but surely, it's played thru too quickly to be a real challenge.

MDK 2, well, when I reach the big turning thing (the intro-video with the closing hatch with the alien behind it telling something about not letting you in), I don't know anymore what to do, I think anyone who doesn't in the first place know that game is lost at that point.

Prince of Persia the same. You ALWAYS have to look up your particular position in a game and then go find where to 'dock on' to a walkthrough, that's too much a fuss for games that aren't that rewarding in their content they show to the user(gamer).

Myst 4, went down that hole in the ground by the man with the radio, down there by the bridges, nothing to be found. Deleted it from my PC.

Sentinel, another crazy **** only college professors play. Unsolvable by the normal human being. That thing with the symbols on it, I thought about it 10 mins and out. Maybe once or twice again I went in there, nothing. Funny.

Ford 3 has too many add-ons, and some cars are not well controllable by normal keyboard keys.

so sorry, maybe too long, just had to shout out about those games what is good and what not, I should read more pc-magazines. until manana
(sang the song 'Hasta Manana' by ABBA today, and Eagles, and,and...)

[Renzatic Gear]

I was almost married, but I dodged that bullet at the last minute.

...didn't want to end up like you people.

[Supermario999]

dear RENZIE, I did not understand one syllable of yours - by marrying, you would get past the inner age of pc-playing (therefore time-wasting and stupid???) people. Again: My concern is SERIOUS: If one plays, it'll better be somethin' good with paedagogic content and psychological depth - this can be in ANY action/adv. game.

Now not even Ford 3 runs, and not even the Demo for Ford 2, it's clearly a CODEC thing, but I tried ALL Codec Packs (from Free-Codecs), nada.

It's like the Fan Missions that under certain (very PROBABLE) circumstances don't run or run badly or with frequent crashes: Then, when all else fails, you just go to Doom3: A Game that runs ALWAYS. I should backup my 200 savedgames and reinstall the game, cuz the update wants it, but forget that.
Doom3 runs. Without Patch. Without Codecs.
Why can't other games?
Because their makers (programmers, desginers) can't leave anything simple, they just have to create potential Windows-Problems by leaving Video Playback to Windows, the Audio to the Sound Driver... Then, nothing runs. I'm just so upset.
The only things I like (Thief FMs, Ford Racing) don't run, and of course, I'll hide myself under another username in TTLG, but I haven't gone there yet, and I hesitate to do so, why, you surely mostly know by now...

[Renzatic Gear]

It's like the Fan Missions that under certain (very PROBABLE) circumstances don't run or run badly or with frequent crashes: Then, when all else fails, you just go to Doom3: A Game that runs ALWAYS. I should backup my 200 savedgames and reinstall the game, cuz the update wants it, but forget that.
Doom3 runs. Without Patch. Without Codecs.
Probably because Doom 3 is a recent game and takes advantage of the platform, while the rest of the games you're playing are older titles and need a bit of a kick in the ass to run properly.

Windows XP isn't an older title friendly platform. If you don't play many newer games, I'd recommend a downgrade to Win98SE..it'll play everything you throw at it without too much hassle.

For Thief, well, I haven't had many problems running FM's before. The only one I've had problems with was T2X. The rest have run flawlessly. I'd suggest going back to TTLG and taking a quick glance through the FAQ. You'll find it at the top of the page in the Thief Gen forum.

[Supermario999]

thanks a lot for your hints, also, the general enlightenment about win versions:
of course, cuz maybe in win98se, there isn't such a complicated system of codecs and system settings (that can be tampered with by any installation of any software, good here is Acronis True Image to save win while runnin it) - BUT:

I do play many new titles (Far Cry, Doom3, others), and I have a download proggy active which is in waiting qeues, once I'll have several machines with a switchbox, after I'll have dealed a little bit with self-constructed PCs - money money money ooh ooh... - no really:
if you got only 1 PC, 98 is not the choice to run all, it's true for older games its better and it WAS A SUPERCOOL hint, but I'm sure I'll solve my probs on XP. The 'Kick in the Ass' Games need under XP is a brilliant expression. Maybe back to NT 4? makes no sense i think cuz xp is nt 5.1 !
Someone else told me his drivers would suddenly work under win 2000, it would be better than XP.
As soon (or rather: As Late!!! Huhu!) as I'll know HOW-TO it all, I'll post here so that anyone who has a prob like that can have it fixed in minutes stead of hours!

Renzatic Gear: I do indeed wonder what your nickname means? Thanks a lot again!

[Supermario999]

Ford-Racing-Problem: maybe WMF-Redist-Problem?

anyway, one of these days, I'm gonna set up XP newly and back it up RIGHT THERE (Eddie Murphy imitating ITALIANS WHO JUST SAW ROCKY: "It's RIGHT HERE RIGHT? M...F... MOOLEE! ILL KICK YOUR ASS! Damn Funny, exists as mp3, and I think is evryone's possesion as a cultural gift to us all - "Eddie Murphy: RAW".) - then, even Devastation runs, and so will Thief FMs and Ford Racing. When I know how, I'll post here again, but already sooner than that, too...

[moya]

Paging Supermario 999, this is a special message for Supermario999:

STOP TYPING!!!!

Jus' kidding, I'm only messin' wit you...

Or am I?

[Supermario999]

are u kiddin or not? if not, u can always contact Fox Moulder or your local dealer or the admin ! Is my humble self now kiddin or not?
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wow a big font impressive (also only kidneying)

sorry just when u got online i was playin guitar cuz underneath a stupid piano classical chap is climpering around ... always the same, so boring... bach praeludium, other classix, bla! I play beeges and cyndi lauper and so, modern, i hate sonatas, so also now i m back to exercising with my headache from the made-thru night... :o

[Supermario999]

Question to ALL:

What background color do you have/use in your browser with which u read this?

--> BECAUSE: I wanna shape my avatar using the most matching background color. Thanks for replies evrybuddy! (PSP9 is a fine thang)

[moya]

Dude, don't you ever STOP? 27 posts since you joined, all in one thread. In case you hadn't noticed, this is why everyone's taking the piss out of you...

Seriously, my advice, if you really do want to be part of this community: keep the meandering, nonsensical, self-indulgent, "I'm-a-misunderstood-artist" crap -- eg. "LOL FOX MOULDER AND DOODS I CAN PLAY GUITAR WTF??!" -- to a minimum.

Take more time over your posts and try to stay coherent. Most of us here are fairly understanding even if your first language isn't English, but for heaven's sake, at least try to type in an understandable manner. If your grasp of the language isn't so hot, just keep it simple: no need to try and impress with big words and complex phrasing. That just obfuscates your point and discombobulates people. See?

Finally, as I'm sure you were told over in TTLG, posting multiple replies one after the other is generally frowned upon. Especially when they're as random and occasionally insulting as yours have been.

Remember: you don't need to type everything you think. The trick is to sort the garbage from the gems. Golden rule: if in doubt, DON'T POST!

[Supermario999]

If you would read the last posts, I had a very good conversation with aku at the end and also a lot with Renzatic. My intention is not to impress. I can't alter written posts (defined my admin)

[Mochan]

Haven't played Ford 2, the good games I am playing right now are Call of Duty United Offensive, Dungeon Siege 2, SWAT 4 and Morrowind.

As for what First Person Adventures to get, wait a couple of months for Stalker and Oblivion. Since you're not too big on RPGs, Oblivion might not cut it for you but Stalker should do just nicely.

Also, I think that if you are having trouble playing games like Thief 1 and Doom 3 because they are,uh ... "too confusing", uh... may I suggest taking up Tetris? Actually to be honest the most confusing thing is sorting through all these posts.....

I admit I get "lost" and "stuck" in games a lot but rarely ever to the point where a game becomes unplayable. I'm sure a little perseverance will get you through.


I need some virgin blood to suck.

[Suicides-by-Steve]

Heh, interesting thread. Unfortunately, it's server maitenance day for WoW servers (total crap that they start this at 0500 PST and it lasts 6 hours- who's the brainchild who thought that up! I'm finding more and more reasons to REALLY dislike pay-per-play games now that I'm playing one), that allowed me to stop by!

Anyway, just wanted to comment on Mochans playing of CoD. I'm going out this afternoon and picking up the Gold edition. It's by far the BEST WWII FPS ever.

Oh, and a note... I keep getting corrupted registry hives on my comp (due to my comp locking up, and doing a hard reboot). When I reset my computer, Windows has trouble finding the System32 folder... Very annoying, and I haven't been able to determine the exact cause... I'm beginning to suspect SP2, actually, but I'm not certain. Getting lock-ups even on your screensaver is not a good thing, so my board may be going, which would be pretty bad.

Anyway, my point... I do not have Trillian installed right now, so anyone that needs to, please PM me here. Especially since we're planning on booting up SWAT4 on Friday or Satuday... Peace.

[E.T.]

Dude, don't you ever STOP? . Golden rule: if in doubt, DON'T POST!

Golden Rule? Golden Rule??? I thought the Golden Rule was "He who has the Gold makes the Rules".

[E.T.]

I like also "Sacrifice", a middle-age strategy game, but 3D, and at the Beginning not too hard, collect souls, build up an army, grouping of troups, different formations, but at level 6 or so you have to act so quickly it isn't fun anymore. Thinking needs time, that's not a race game

Sacrifice a "middle-age startegy game"? Hmm. I recall it being more of a fantasy game.
Remember Charnel, God of Strife, Lord of slaughter, Master of death...& the five other Gods?
The story line @ times commical, & various paths to choose from [pick a god, any god] add to replayability of game.

If you want another engaging RTS game, check out Hostile Waters. Its somewhat easier.

[Mochan]

Anyway, just wanted to comment on Mochans playing of CoD. I'm going out this afternoon and picking up the Gold edition. It's by far the BEST WWII FPS ever.

Indeed. Nothing comes close to it. I find this amazing considering it doesn't even use any new gimmicks or gameplay mechanisms or even technologies (it's running on Quake 3!). It's all old hat, just done really, really well. As I had said before, I never expected myself to like a "traditional" straight shooter so much. I mean Far Cry at least had some new gameplay elements due to how the engine technology which allowed for huge maps and huge view distances with amazing graphical quality. CoD is just the Quake 3 engine and a hell of a lot of scripting.

SbS, maybe your harddrive is also starting to give? It's hard to diagnose those kinds of errors though. Might be CPU or Mobo damage from wear and tear.

[Supermario999]

SbS, your prob is a boot prob after your description. Is the System32 folder not found or a file in that folder (error mesaage on dos screen after selecting windows)? If you've not backuped the bootblock or the entire active partition, try first saving the partition by setting its flag to active (but only if you know that it was set active before it has been tampered with!) and rebooting. Tthe partition that has to be active is the one with ntdetect.com on it, if you got XP. If all else fails backup needed files, maybe from another windows installation or a new one, and THEN reformat and wininstall the partition.
In the future, use Acronis True Image Enterprise Edition, u can backup any win state from within win - for loading a bkp of win, u gotta reboot, though.

Surely, I should NOT have posted this effort of a help to SbS, dearest Moya.
But I admit my posts were too long, as i said only cuz others provoced me.§

[Supermario999]

oh, and moya: the guy who just came in here and said 'intresting thread' - where do you think that comes from? I do ABSOLUTELY NOT AGREE WITH YOU MAN. Stop pissing ME off, you're not the admin, and even the moderator said you are not the keeper of gold and rules! just cuz YOU seem to be disturbed by long texts (that just begin and end with the CRAP YOU TOLD ME TO CUT AWAY 100% --> no personality), what I did contribute to was to bring new wind in this thread.
(after you, I shouldn't even be allowed to have posted this post, I guess, well, u aint got the monopole over words, I may use a lot, but so can you)

[Aku]

Looks like you're his favorite how, Moya. I hand my crown over to you. ;) :D

[Lara]

OMG! I hope you guys are having fun. Or is it that you that bored?

Seriously though, I think it's time to stop fueling the fire and close this thread. It lost it's value a few pages ago.

[Supermario999]

This Thread is also a solution walkthrough for people who wanna get their most famous not running games get to work:

A miracle: Ford 2 AND Ford 3 run. On MY PC. I downloaded all major codec pack from Freecodecs, deinstalled them again, and I always install and deinstall Nimo Codec Pack and FFDShow by Shortcut. What else did I do? XP Customizer, A well-known Win Tool, has some ugly features. The Flag "Turn off all Win Paging Executive" CAN be activated, all but "optimzime lock limit" and "enable large system cache", those MUST be let out, deactivated. I let Daemon Tools run while runnin the games. Even, after Ford 3, there's error msgs, the game runs. and, of course, bios-check-up, correct AGP Aperture Size (or PCI-Express, dunno bout that yet), correct RAS-CAS-Latency (written by Bios on bootup), correct MANUAL values, just try unril all works, don't trust the Std Bios Setup there! All will run faster if you set options not too high, my PC crashes when I set ultra or even fast as that option where u can define the main grahic speed - AMIBIOS, course
and: All other codecs like indeo, quicktime etc etc, install try deinstall after dinner it'll suddenly work.

--> sad, as i said someone came n said intresting and you wanna close the thread. I didn't mean to hurt you, moya, and i took it too personal, again, you were right. maybe someone get the admin delete by HIMSELF with my authorisation HEREBY GRANTED to delete all unuseful stuff out of my utterly long posts? only the crapcut-stuff! YEA! (and do you know that italian guy........)

[Supermario999]

it shocks me I already have 27 posts in ONE thread, im really sorry, but right now, I got another laugh attack... but plesae don't close the thread! You want money?

ps: what solved ford 2 and 3 probs was I installed and RAN Richard Burns Rally, somehow, it installs somethin needed for ford, since then, i got ford 3 and 2, wow. evryone who reads this in the urge of wanting to play will thank me in his heart.

i visited the whole net in search of a solutiion for that, it's way easier to cut out the crap and search for some needles in our hay here.

[Aku]

OMG! I hope you guys are having fun. Or is it that you that bored?

Seriously though, I think it's time to stop fueling the fire and close this thread. It lost it's value a few pages ago.

I hope Moya gets a chance to respond before you close the doors on this one. He's probably sleeping now. :D

[Supermario999]

Is Lara an admin? what means OMG? (in the future, im gonna cut my crap 10 times before releasing a text, maybe this thread gets closed cuz its too big? cuz o me. crap. folks im sorry, i just had nice talks and moya came and told me twice to shut up, im talkin about pc-gamin matters, ok, in between a joke, all do that! but all in all, my posts been too long, gain sorry. but why do you think i didnt even change my username from TTLG?

[E.T.]

OMG= Oh My God!

My guess is the thread has little redeaming value when viewed from its original intent, or from a gaming view in general.

Maybe returning to the topic at hand would help?

[Lara]

Shakes head in total ambiguity!!

[Aku]

I think you all may be closing a lot of threads in the near future. :D

I can sort of get this thread back on topic. I saw a new boxed copy of Thief Gold at EB Games today for ten bucks and picked it up. My old disc is kind of scratchy; I couldn't resist picking up a nice pristine backup.

[Lara]

[QUOTE=Aku]I think you all may be closing a lot of threads in the near future. :D

Now you know that isn't gonna happen. I wont be closing a lot of threads. There is always the possibility of one less member. We'll see. I would hope you guys know by now that I am fair, and I don't argue. I take action if forced.

I can sort of get this thread back on topic. I saw a new boxed copy of Thief Gold at EB Games today for ten bucks and picked it up. My old disc is kind of scratchy; I couldn't resist picking up a nice pristine backup.

photoasylum, who started this thread btw, gave me one of his extra copies of Thief Gold. I have a difficult time adjusting to a game style that I am not accustomed to playing. It looks like great fun, but darned if I can stand the suspence!! :D

[E.T.]

"Photoasylum, who started this thread btw, gave me one of his extra copies of Thief Gold. I have a difficult time adjusting to a game style that I am not accustomed to playing. It looks like great fun, but darned if I can stand the suspence!!"

Thief is worth giving a chance! I've replayed both 1&2, but couldnt quite coax myself into finishing T3. Theres nothing like an original, at least for the Thief series to me.

[Lara]

Yeah, I am sure it is worth giving it a chance. :) I plan to give it another try over the winter.

[Sparrow]

I'm just a newbie, and a few posts ago, I would have been goading Supermario to continue, because this has been very entertaining. But it's moved from entertaining to being somewhat disturbing, and I think it's time for Lara to lock this sucker down. He can keep talking in in other threads, and I hope he does (I think) because, frankly, I like reading material of high literary quality. How about just starting a new thief thread? I can't contribute much, because I've never played Thief. Played everything else, somehow, never got around to playing Thief.

But, like I said, I'm just a newbie.

[moya]

I hope Moya gets a chance to respond before you close the doors on this one. He's probably sleeping now. :D

Oh, there's far too much stupidity on display in this sucker for me to even begin to respond, Aku! ;)

oh, and moya: the guy who just came in here and said 'intresting thread' - where do you think that comes from?

Hmm... I wonder... Here's a tip: think about all the ways people could possibly use the word "interesting" (for there are many). Get back to me when you come up with an interpretation which doesn't mean "Gosh! This thread has been a really engaging and entertaining read, for which I'm grateful primarily to Supermario999! Post on good sir!"

I do ABSOLUTELY NOT AGREE WITH YOU MAN. Stop pissing ME off, you're not the admin, and even the moderator said you are not the keeper of gold and rules!

That's right, I'm not (for your information: Lara is). I was just trying to give you some hints about the way you should conduct yourself on an internet forum. Stuff like: not dragging a thread way off topic with hundreds of random posts about what you had for lunch yesterday. Let's not forget that it was YOU who derailed this whole hideous mess of a thread with your attack on T2X and members of another forum, which was both out of place and badly expressed. Talk about getting things off on the wrong foot (that's an idiom which means your relationship with this board started poorly). The fact that you've only perpetuated this nonsense by seemingly posting the first thing that comes into your head, PC gaming related or not, just adds insult to injury (means "makes it worse").

just cuz YOU seem to be disturbed by long texts (that just begin and end with the CRAP YOU TOLD ME TO CUT AWAY 100% --> no personality), what I did contribute to was to bring new wind in this thread.

New wind... Hmmm... Well, yes, in a manner of speaking you did bring wind. Too bad it was just a load of hot air.

[Lara]

I waited for you Moya. :)

....and with that, it's time to close this thread.