I tried playing Vietcong by the way

[Mochan]

Looks interesting. The graphics are meh and it's disappointing that a two year old game (that doesn't even look that good) won't run perfectly on my PC with all the settings turned up. How does this play in multiplayer? I'm in the 3 canyons mission right now (2nd mission) and I'm a little disappointed at how claustrophobic and linear the map is.

[E.T.]

Sad that 'Cong wont run "perfectly" on you PC w/options "..turned up".
My old P4 2.6 w/G44200 & old drivers ran 'Cong smooth w/opitons maxed.

Graphics were a bit bland, but I still enjoyed the often claustraphobic flora/fauna maps.
Snipers were an enjoyable challenge, but less so than those found in OpFlash.
The tunnel rat maps will drive you crazy, but hang in there, some upcomming missions are worth the wait, imo.

All in all, 'Cong could be criticized for its slow paced unoriginal linear maps, but it suited me fine for unwinding at days end. I especially like the audio licks of 'Cong!

[Mochan]

Well this might be my pickiness coming into play, but when I was in camp and looking around the frame rate definitely dropped below 60. Would be more around 30fps. I don't consider this smooth.

When I'm in the jungles the jerkiness disappears though and I'm back to 60fps.

I originally tried it on 1280x1024x32 at 4xAA and 8xAF with all the details up now, by the way. When I got the jerkiness in the camp I took it as an evil portent so I changed settings to 1024x768x16, forced 16bit textures, and reduced AA to 2x and 4xAF and put character models and effects sliders down. This, however, had absolutely no impact on the jerkiness I saw earlier.

Funny thing is, moving the sliders down also did squat for the actual look of the game. I found this extremely weird!

Anyway it seems smooth enough in the jungles. I only tried it for a brief moment today but when I get home later I'll be cranking the settings back up to the max and see how it does in the jungle.

The real issue I'm seeing though is the linear claustro maps. Hard to be drawn into them after playing Far Cry. The game definitely has an Op Flash feel, but OpFlash is better IMO except for its cruddy graphics. Vietcong manages to establish far stronger atmosphere at least.

BTW, what's wrong with the patch? I installed the patches up to v1.60 and the game won't run. Had to reinstall and then I just played v1.01, no problems.

[Aku]

There are more wide open maps as the game progresses (well, except for the tunnel missions). I think you will be pleased by the wide variety of mission types - jeep driving missions, boat driving missions, shooting at VC from a helicopter, escaping from a VC camp in the middle of the night, defend the base, etc. I also really liked all the Vietnam lore they included in the game that you can read. I think Far Cry got a few of its ideas from Vietcong. I thought the graphics were fine. When it came out, no other game created thick jungle environments like Vietcong does (another thing Far Cry imitated). Crawling around through all that vegetation is great. Like ET, I also had no problems running the game on my againg 2.66 machine with a GeForce 4. Of course, I don't run my games at super resolutions with everything maxed, but for Vietcong I think I always ran it at 1024x768 with the details high, and it was very smooth. Keep playing it, it's a solid shooter.

Yeah, you are picky Mochan. 30 FPS while looking around with no action going on doesn't bother me at all. Of course, I've always played on mid-range systems and have never been spoiled by high frame rates at the highest settings. ;)

[Aku]

Don't know about your patch issue. I have it patched to 1.60. Do you have Fist Alpha expansion? You need to patch it to 1.60 if you want to do multiplayer.

[Mochan]

Well I always play on mid-range too but that's why I can tell the diff between 30 fps and 60fps! LOL. Cuz I always end up playing new games at just 30-40fps. I mean it's not like I can't play on this kind of setting but I just *desire* to play at 60fps, especially for older games. :)

Also maybe my CPU is bottlenecking, I hope nobody forgot that I'm still playing on an Athlon XP2200, which is a lot more antiquated than a 2.6Ghz Intel! The reason I can play on high res with AA though is cuz my Radeon is spiffy enough to do it. :)

[Aku]

I would guess that your CPU isn't the bottleneck. With its small maps and focused gameplay, I wouldn't think that Vietcong would stress any CPU that runs faster than 1.5 Ghz. With all the vegetation, it could bog down a video card, though.

[Mochan]

The vegetation seems very simple though. And yes, I too doubt that the CPU is a bottleneck. I think the engine just isn't properly optimized.

[BaneNWN]

Ya i looked a few days ago here and im still seeing 9800 pros going for $259.00 when sitting right next to them is the 6600 GT for $219.00.I havent a clue why those cards are not dropping in price.I wouldnt pay more then $ 150 for those anymore

[BaneNWN]

Ya i looked a few days ago here and im still seeing 9800 pros going for $259.00 when sitting right next to them is the 6600 GT for $219.00.I havent a clue why those cards are not dropping in price.I wouldnt pay more then $ 150 for those anymore


i need sleep i cant even keep my comments in the right thread now

[Mochan]

LOL, go to sleep!!!

[BaneNWN]

figure since im spamming your post with nonsense ill say something slightly useful.I played vietcong and liked it for what ive played of it as all i had was a demo.I think multiplayer would be pretty cool but i think ill stick to deltaforce xtreme

[Aku]

Ya i looked a few days ago here and im still seeing 9800 pros going for $259.00 when sitting right next to them is the 6600 GT for $219.00.I havent a clue why those cards are not dropping in price.I wouldnt pay more then $ 150 for those anymore

I bought a Leadtek 6600GT AGP for $171 with a $20 rebate, and they threw in a cheap mouse for free. Can't beat that. NewEgg's prices in general seem to be much lower than other online dealers.

[BaneNWN]

I bought a Leadtek 6600GT AGP for $171 with a $20 rebate, and they threw in a cheap mouse for free. Can't beat that. NewEgg's prices in general seem to be much lower than other online dealers.


Speaking of which when install the 6600 GT let me know how ya like it.I never really had anything to compare it to as the card i had before this was a geforce 3-ti 200 which was a great card considering the fan quit working over a year before i quit using it and it still ran like a champ.

Good price by the way i was kinda nervous when you said leadtek i thought that was the one with no fan.I dont understand why you would have a card that powerful and it wouldnt have a fan but i think that was the chaintek.

Anyways i wish you luck with it and im sure you will love it

[Aku]

Good price by the way i was kinda nervous when you said leadtek i thought that was the one with no fan.I dont understand why you would have a card that powerful and it wouldnt have a fan but i think that was the chaintek.

The Leadtek has a big fan. My GeForce 2 and my GeForce 4 were/are both Chaintechs.

[Mochan]

My GeForce2 was Leadtek. Leadtek is a great brand. There custom sinks are awesome. I love the green color of their PCBs, too.

The crappy vendor is Inno3D. Unfortunately, Inno3D is usually the only vendor we get around here. :rolls eyes:

[And_so_it_goes]

The vegetation seems very simple though. And yes, I too doubt that the CPU is a bottleneck. I think the engine just isn't properly optimized.

my old comp couldn't run this game acceptably with xp 1800+, 512 ram and g4 4800. my new comp runs it fine with the same graphics card, athlon 64 3000+, and a gig of corsair. so, i think the cpu and ram are issues here. once i upgrade my vid card i should even be able to play deus ex 2, lol.

[And_so_it_goes]

figure since im spamming your post with nonsense ill say something slightly useful.I played vietcong and liked it for what ive played of it as all i had was a demo.I think multiplayer would be pretty cool but i think ill stick to deltaforce xtreme

delta force extreme rocks. never been addicted to a multplayer shooter like this one before. some of the independently made maps are a blast. once again, however, this game really shows the age of my vid card. if 6600 gt comes down to 150 clams, i'm all over it.

[BaneNWN]

delta force extreme rocks. never been addicted to a multplayer shooter like this one before. some of the independently made maps are a blast. once again, however, this game really shows the age of my vid card. if 6600 gt comes down to 150 clams, i'm all over it.

$ 159 low enough for ya here http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=323283

Im glad ya like DFX i been trying to get the rest of these guys to get it as well lol.I am already building maps for it as we speak.so if we can get a few more people over the next several weeks i could host some maps i made

[Mochan]

Vietcong just hung on me and crashed me to the desktop again. This kind of behavior is unacceptable on a game that has limited saves. When I try to install the patches it doesn't run at all. I seem to be in a no-win situation with this game.

I think I'll shelf it for now. I haven't had game problems like this in a long time.

[Mochan]

Hmm, did some testing cuz the game was getting interesting and I didnt' really want to leave it yet. It seems that forcing the best settings may have been causing the issues. I stopped loading the textures in the graphics memory and left them in the system memory and I haven't been having any further crashes since. I think I may have taken a very slight performance hit but at least it's not crashing anymore. Looks like I can continue playing.

[Aku]

I never had ctd issues with Vietcong. I did have a sound issue in the beginning that I fixed pretty easily, but that was it. It's really a stable game if you have it patched. That's a big part of your problem. The first patch didn't fix very much. It was the next (30+ Mb) patch that fixed all the stability issues. Don't know why you can't patch it, but this game really needs to be fully patched (plus you have to if you want the multiplayer).

[Mochan]

There were two big patches. I'll try applying hte next patch (the 30MB one) and then see if it works from there.

There are also some gane event trigger issues. Like in the third mission where the VC attack your bunker, the Commander waits for you in front of the game. The damn bastard wouldn't recognize that I was there even though I shot him in the head two times. Third time killed him and I failed the mission. ;) Same thing happened in the next mission, I spent about 10 minutes running circles around him before he recognized me. That was NOT fun.

[Aku]

Yeah, the patches probably fix the game trigger stuff, because I never had that problem. I think you have install the first two patches consecutively; I don't think the second patch includes the previous fixes, but I could be wrong. But I think if you just reinstall the game and run patch 1.60, that covers everything.

[Mochan]

You can't run just patch 1.6, 1.6 requires 1.4. which requires 1.3, which requires 1.1. I'll try running the patches again and hope this time the game runs. Maybe the problem is I got something called the "English Mature European version" -- has all the swearing in English and has Spanish and I think German versions too. Maybe this is what's giving me issues.