O-m-g Ps3 Is Kicking Azz At E-3. Ms 3-what?

[ThaMaskedGamer]

You know after all the BS, all the false lies, all the undelivered hype, all the bullshyat from 2001 up until 2006, it seems Sony has finally delivered the goods, and I mean in a big freaking way.

I've now looked at every single E-3 video from XBOX 360 and Sony PS3, and there definitely is a marked, significant, visually distinguishing difference. An astounding difference. Looking at the screenshots just doesn't do any justice to the difference. I hadn't seen any PS3 videos until about an hour ago. I wasn't impressed with the GT/SpiderMan demo, that was bullchips. The thing that impressed the hell out of me was KILLZONE, of all games. Now Sony is smart, they don't have a lot of footage yet, so they are showing a lot of FMV, but they definitely showed game footage here and my gosh it is beautiful. This is how I would do a nextgen FPS, the weapons were believable, the tactics believable, the vehicles believeable, the squad, hell forget squad, platoon, division level combat was insane.


Then I went through all the Sony stuff, from Quake Wars to F1 to Gundam, my gosh Gundam just makes you wanna forget all about Steel Battalion, but that was all FMV. But when you could glimpse in game footage from the FMV, it was damn impressive. It was amazing realistic and crisp, and the animation fantastic. A lot of them really did not look like games. Then I was looking at the 360 stuff, and a lot of it looked good. But only Ghost Recon 3 and Gears of War were competitive with what I saw from the PS3. And the scale of Killzone, was much bigger much more happening than G.R.3. Now another great looking 360 game was Dark Sector, I was impressed with that one too. But DeadorAlive 4 is not looking great, it looks barely nextgen, ditto for Kameo and a lot of the others.

It is also impressive that Sony has been diligently hard at work, to show this kind of power so far from launch, is incredible.

Now, I don't want to call it game over for MS. They've got some great looking stuff, but not all of it looks great. I want to see gameplay footage of Morrowind, some more of Dark Sector, Gears of War. PGR3 looked good, and had one twist which may make it hard to resists, its showing in-cockpit views, full dashboard and all. If they fix up the AI, I can deal with the arcade racing, or if they have huge online support I can be there also.

To be fair to MS, Sony is showing you all their heavy hitters. MS isn't, but hell that isn't Sony's fault. You've got to give credit where its due, and right now PS3 is showing a fidelity that is consistent across all of its games, this soon. Its almost as if Sony can launch in 2005 and MS can't. And now, you've gotta believe or start believing the PS3 will be easy to code for.

You know, I said I was getting a PS3 and XBOX 360, but up until now i've really still believed MS would have the better games and that i'd enjoy the 360 more than the PS3. I figured there would be a handful of games I'd end up getting for PS3. I must say, the script is flipped, if these games end up anywhere near the level of quality of these demos, PS3 will be tha ****, it will be a marked difference in the games, and Sony will finally have achieved a product more than worthy of their usual extravagant hype.

This is going to be very very interesting, MS come on baby show us something big. We all know the best games will be coming in 2006 from MS, and maybe they don't want to steal the thunder from their launch games. But they really need to start showing something just to not get completely embarrassed.

[Pandarbock]

You know after all the BS, all the false lies, all the undelivered hype, all the bullshyat from 2001 up until 2006, it seems Sony has finally delivered the goods, and I mean in a big freaking way.

I've now looked at every single E-3 video from XBOX 360 and Sony PS3, and there definitely is a marked, significant, visually distinguishing difference. An astounding difference. Looking at the screenshots just doesn't do any justice to the difference. I hadn't seen any PS3 videos until about an hour ago. I wasn't impressed with the GT/SpiderMan demo, that was bullchips. The thing that impressed the hell out of me was KILLZONE, of all games. Now Sony is smart, they don't have a lot of footage yet, so they are showing a lot of FMV, but they definitely showed game footage here and my gosh it is beautiful. This is how I would do a nextgen FPS, the weapons were believable, the tactics believable, the vehicles believeable, the squad, hell forget squad, platoon, division level combat was insane.


Then I went through all the Sony stuff, from Quake Wars to F1 to Gundam, my gosh Gundam just makes you wanna forget all about Steel Battalion, but that was all FMV. But when you could glimpse in game footage from the FMV, it was damn impressive. It was amazing realistic and crisp, and the animation fantastic. A lot of them really did not look like games. Then I was looking at the 360 stuff, and a lot of it looked good. But only Ghost Recon 3 and Gears of War were competitive with what I saw from the PS3. And the scale of Killzone, was much bigger much more happening than G.R.3. Now another great looking 360 game was Dark Sector, I was impressed with that one too. But DeadorAlive 4 is not looking great, it looks barely nextgen, ditto for Kameo and a lot of the others.

It is also impressive that Sony has been diligently hard at work, to show this kind of power so far from launch, is incredible.

Now, I don't want to call it game over for MS. They've got some great looking stuff, but not all of it looks great. I want to see gameplay footage of Morrowind, some more of Dark Sector, Gears of War. PGR3 looked good, and had one twist which may make it hard to resists, its showing in-cockpit views, full dashboard and all. If they fix up the AI, I can deal with the arcade racing, or if they have huge online support I can be there also.

To be fair to MS, Sony is showing you all their heavy hitters. MS isn't, but hell that isn't Sony's fault. You've got to give credit where its due, and right now PS3 is showing a fidelity that is consistent across all of its games, this soon. Its almost as if Sony can launch in 2005 and MS can't. And now, you've gotta believe or start believing the PS3 will be easy to code for.

You know, I said I was getting a PS3 and XBOX 360, but up until now i've really still believed MS would have the better games and that i'd enjoy the 360 more than the PS3. I figured there would be a handful of games I'd end up getting for PS3. I must say, the script is flipped, if these games end up anywhere near the level of quality of these demos, PS3 will be tha ****, it will be a marked difference in the games, and Sony will finally have achieved a product more than worthy of their usual extravagant hype.

This is going to be very very interesting, MS come on baby show us something big. We all know the best games will be coming in 2006 from MS, and maybe they don't want to steal the thunder from their launch games. But they really need to start showing something just to not get completely embarrassed.

Do you suffer from multiple personality disorder or something?

[Mochan]

I gotta check out that Gundam vid. Will it beat out the SRW Alpha 3 video? Well it should. :)

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Personally the only thing that I saw that had a marked difference was Killzone and that was so much FMV and plus the developer isn't as good. What I was more impressed with is that they had there major games at least announced or in video form. MS just didn't seem to actually focus on the games.

My god Nintendo so far has been horrible.

[Mochan]

It seems like Nintendo isn't even in the running anymore.

[theWacoKid]

Do you suffer from multiple personality disorder or something?

Just call him flipper. He's been prepping us for his conversion for a while. The ps3 will be the better, more powerful, more fully featured console, end of story and he knows it.

After that, its about software and sony has far more internal development on hand than MS. MS has been cutting back, pinkslipping left and right, selling off studios like Indie built, dropping developers from their roster and clinging to a washed up rare that not only cost them $357 million to buy but is costing them millions to maintain with nothing to show. MS could've bought DICE instead, but no, EA bought them. EA could've bought criterion, but once again, EA bought them. Why did EA buy Rare? Who the hell knows, mabye because of Ken Lobb, who you didn't hear about much anymore or the influence of the departed Ed Fries.

From a third party standpoint, how many high profile exclusives can MS bring to the table. Sony will stil have japanese developers in their hip pocket and the pc developers will go ooh and ahh, because they're all spec whores to begin with, like they're not going to want to develop for the ps3. When you're touting an old online rpg available on both ps2 and pc as a megaton announcement for your brand new console, I have to laugh. That is so undescribably weak.

Some half assed b/c plan, conning people into believing they're going to be selling xboxes into 2006 and beyond, when they've told nvidia not to send any more chips after this quarter and the system has been in short supply since the beginning of the year.

If the xbox 360 was operating in a vacuum, I'd be going, yeah, great console, kicks the beejesus of what's out there. But, it isn't. Microsoft went so far, but sony went farther. MS went 720p, Sony went 1080p. MS touts how many characters you can put on screen, Sony talks about how beautiful the characters will be. And MS gets a six, seven month head start. Its not going to mean much.

On top of which, most importantly, based on recent events with MS, I have no faith in this company supporting the 360 through a full console cycle. I won't support a company that could wind up doing a bail job 2 or 3 years down the line because they weren't no. 1. Screw them. Uh-huh, no way. At least with sony, I know they're here for the long haul.

[ilnadmy]

MS has been cutting back, pinkslipping left and right, selling off studios like Indie built, dropping developers from their roster and clinging to a washed up rare that not only cost them $357 million to buy but is costing them millions to maintain with nothing to show. MS could've bought DICE instead, but no, EA bought them. EA could've bought criterion, but once again, EA bought them. Why did EA buy Rare? Who the hell knows, mabye because of Ken Lobb, who you didn't hear about much anymore or the influence of the departed Ed Fries.

Ah, I remember when MS bought Rare, and all the Xbots were convinced that Nintendo was finished. Such a beautiful thing it was, seeing Xbots falling over themselves trying to justify the purchase of Rare. It seems Nintendo knew exactly what it was doing. They got the games they wanted out of Rare, then threw them out the window, where MS was waiting to pick them up.

Now I agree the PS3 is kicking 360's ass, but seriously, I don't think the Revolution is out of the running. Just because Nintendo isn't revealing a lot of info about the console, don't discount it. I foresee great things for the Rev.

[thelastword]

I saw this coming, from a thousand miles away, TMG is a personalized Team Ninja with an affinity towards power and Jaw dropping graphics. That Killzone video looks phenomenal does'nt it ? even though he bashed it out of ignorance in one of his earlier posts, but Oh! Well!, at least he had the decency to say that he was being delusional. The facts are the facts though, PS3 is dominating E3 by it's showing and I never doubted it, not once, not one bit.

[Gadfly2317]

Now, I don't want to call it game over for MS. They've got some great looking stuff, but not all of it looks great. I want to see gameplay footage of Morrowind.

Well, don't forget the next Morrowind will be on Ps3. . .so with that extra power. . . .

And with them copying the Live service, that pretty much does in any reason to go with Xbox 360 unless you've just got money to burn and want to have next gen right now. Hell, if they had a better launch, it might be worth it to enjoy the Xbox 360 for a year and trade it in when the Ps3 comes out.

[T.Tashi]

Daman's not flipflopping. He was always an advocate of the concept that the technologically superior console delivers the better games. I'm not a FPS fan and typically I'm not wowed by them, but The Killzone footage was pretty damn impressive.

[Horngreen]

LOL oh NOW between 360 ans PS3 it is about being more powerful but between the Xbox and PS2 it is all about the games. I'll figure you Sony teat suckling little twirps out yet! Here is an excellent quote from the original post. "Now Sony is smart, they don't have a lot of footage yet, so they are showing a lot of FMV" HA! That is all Sony EVER does! Watch the TV ads and there is NEVER gameplay footage and as the console aged they didn't even bother to show FMV footage either. The PS2 claimed it would have "photorealistic gameplay" and it didn't pull it off now the PS3 says the same and you lap it up all over again. ENGAGE PS3 HYPE ENGINE. This board is all a flutter with Sony boys tonight!

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Personally I don't care if people think i'm flip flopping or not, I really could careless. I've said all along I like great products, and the PS3 is a great product. The one thing that still has me worried is Sony has yet to say if the HDD will be standard, come on Sony just do it. They've obviously changed their stance on creating a network service, I don't know if it will be as good as XBOX LIVE, I think it will take several iterations and a lot of heart ache to duplicate XBOX LIVE. Also, i'm not giving up on XBOX 360. I'm still buying 360 launch day, there is no way I could not play the next Halo or the next Forza or all the other exclusives that will be coming out on 360. I love the XBOX franchises.

But in terms of comparing the XBOX 360 and PS3, I call a spade a spade. I thought Sony would show us some tech demo bullcrap and deliver a lot of hype. They did that, of course they showed some technical demonstrations. But they also showed a lot of gameplay footage, when you watch the Killzone clip, that is not a tech demo, that is gameplay, and its awesome. When you watch the F-1 clip, they actually show behind the wheel gameplay and the car spinning out and crashing. The Quake footage where the guy stopped the action and moved the camera around to show that is was a real time rendered sequence, that whole thing was hot. Also take a look at the Ubisoft Killing Day clip, that was all GAMEPLAY footage, its astounding. Then there was a bunch of other clips, most of it was FMV but some of it was real game action, everything I saw was consistently good and consistently next generation. That just wasn't the case with the 360 stuff. As I said, Gears of War, Ghost Recon3, and Dark Sector all look hot. But Kameo, DeadorAlive, Madden, PD:0, and some others weren't that impressive. The difference is before I said its not fair to judge because the final games would probably look better, while that is still true, why is that Sony is able to display nextgen stuff and MS is the one launching in a few months. The only explanation I can give is that Sony hardware is incredible and must be relatively easy to get up and running.

As to the Sony fanboys who are saying I told ya so, yeah you guys did say so. But you guys have been gushing over Sony *crap* for years. I don't think any of you truly knew the PS3 would deliver and be capable of this kind of performance. And no, its not about the backward compatiability and playing blu-ray disc. After looking at what the PS3 is capable of, do you really think its important that you can go back and play some stupid old PS2 games, yet alone PS1 games. No, this is about this product. And Sony finally did what they've always done in other areas, be it audio, tv's, camera's, camcorders, they released a high quality product and seem to have cut absolutely no corners. A few days ago I was convinced there would be no perceptible difference between 360 and PS3, early on, unfortunately, that just doesn't seem to be the case.

Again, its not all over for XBOX 360, Sony is obviously worried if they are going to move up the release of the console to the Spring of 2006. They definitely don't want to take on MS after a full year and launch against Halo3. That would be utterly stupid, so don't go crazy yet Sony fans. XBOX 360 must be a threat if its forcing Sony to adjust there entire time-table, especially after months of saying they weren't concerned about XBOX 360. Plus they still have to do something about that Bat-a-rang controller, and I still contend this PS3 will cost a fortune, i'd be surprised if its less than $500 with a HDD.

[Jupiter_x]

The Masked Gamer! That was a ballsy move to admit to that, I commend you for it, Good post!
I myself am not counting MS out, I think PS3 might take the lead but in reality 360 could very well take the lead! Nintendo...They are doomed! I mean unless they deliver something truly staggering...there is no hope in hell!

Cheers!

[folken001]

I swear... SE can have my soul if they make ff7 remake and ff7 sequel.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

Hmm...I'd say that Killzone 2 looked very impressive, but not much else. This was a rather futile attempt by Sony if you ask me. I really don't see what all the hype was about.

MS didn't have to show off any mega-titles, they will simply use the mindless drones that watch MTV to spread the word for the 1st year, but E3 of 2006 will be much different. Halo 3 will be shown at E3, and, maybe I'm crazy for thinking this, but Halo 3 is going to make Killzone 2 look like a joke.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Personally I think it was BS TMG seems to think that was real time I doubt it seriously. If that was real time I think they would have made a point of actually having someone on stage demonstrating it. Like they did with the other tech demo's.

Everyone is jumping on MS case and rightfully so. But I hate to be a fanboy but from what we know of the specs what was shown is not demonstrative of the power. And honestly is there anything that so far that has been shown on the PS3 that looks better of Gears of War and Ghost Recon?

Oh and resolution is not an advantage for the PS3 both consoles can put out 1080p MS just made a standard at 720p Sony said there games will be in 1080p but they did not make it a standard (yet).

Overall I'm completely underwhelmed I haven't seen one game on Any Platform so far that I feel like I have to have. There wasn't that moment like when MGS2 was first shown at E3 or even Half life 2.

[T.Tashi]

I swear... SE can have my soul if they make ff7 remake and ff7 sequel.
LMAO!

I think a remake is coming. Why else make a tech demo of the beginning of FF7 if they're not? BTW, the Advent Children dvd goes on sale Sept. 14th and I think the going price will be $45.

[trebor]

Overall I'm completely underwhelmed I haven't seen one game on Any Platform so far that I feel like I have to have.

This is probably the smartest thing I've ever read that you've posted. This is probably the smartest thing you've posted that I haven't read. In fact, this is probably the smartest thing you've ever said in your entire life.

Based on my understanding, this is how it's looking...

Xbox 360 = humiliated and shamed
PS3 = graphically and technologically superior, but ultimately a Sony product, with generic Sony games.
Revolution = a mysterious, weak little kitten, playing with tigers.

I'd lean towards the PS3 if I was going to be buying anything on launch, but I think I'll just wait things out yet again.

[Wan-Fu]

You know after all the BS, all the false lies, all the undelivered hype, all the bullshyat from 2001 up until 2006, it seems Sony has finally delivered the goods, and I mean in a big freaking way.

I've now looked at every single E-3 video from XBOX 360 and Sony PS3, and there definitely is a marked, significant, visually distinguishing difference. An astounding difference. Looking at the screenshots just doesn't do any justice to the difference. I hadn't seen any PS3 videos until about an hour ago. I wasn't impressed with the GT/SpiderMan demo, that was bullchips. The thing that impressed the hell out of me was KILLZONE, of all games. Now Sony is smart, they don't have a lot of footage yet, so they are showing a lot of FMV, but they definitely showed game footage here and my gosh it is beautiful. This is how I would do a nextgen FPS, the weapons were believable, the tactics believable, the vehicles believeable, the squad, hell forget squad, platoon, division level combat was insane.


Then I went through all the Sony stuff, from Quake Wars to F1 to Gundam, my gosh Gundam just makes you wanna forget all about Steel Battalion, but that was all FMV. But when you could glimpse in game footage from the FMV, it was damn impressive. It was amazing realistic and crisp, and the animation fantastic. A lot of them really did not look like games. Then I was looking at the 360 stuff, and a lot of it looked good. But only Ghost Recon 3 and Gears of War were competitive with what I saw from the PS3. And the scale of Killzone, was much bigger much more happening than G.R.3. Now another great looking 360 game was Dark Sector, I was impressed with that one too. But DeadorAlive 4 is not looking great, it looks barely nextgen, ditto for Kameo and a lot of the others.

It is also impressive that Sony has been diligently hard at work, to show this kind of power so far from launch, is incredible.

Now, I don't want to call it game over for MS. They've got some great looking stuff, but not all of it looks great. I want to see gameplay footage of Morrowind, some more of Dark Sector, Gears of War. PGR3 looked good, and had one twist which may make it hard to resists, its showing in-cockpit views, full dashboard and all. If they fix up the AI, I can deal with the arcade racing, or if they have huge online support I can be there also.

To be fair to MS, Sony is showing you all their heavy hitters. MS isn't, but hell that isn't Sony's fault. You've got to give credit where its due, and right now PS3 is showing a fidelity that is consistent across all of its games, this soon. Its almost as if Sony can launch in 2005 and MS can't. And now, you've gotta believe or start believing the PS3 will be easy to code for.

You know, I said I was getting a PS3 and XBOX 360, but up until now i've really still believed MS would have the better games and that i'd enjoy the 360 more than the PS3. I figured there would be a handful of games I'd end up getting for PS3. I must say, the script is flipped, if these games end up anywhere near the level of quality of these demos, PS3 will be tha ****, it will be a marked difference in the games, and Sony will finally have achieved a product more than worthy of their usual extravagant hype.

This is going to be very very interesting, MS come on baby show us something big. We all know the best games will be coming in 2006 from MS, and maybe they don't want to steal the thunder from their launch games. But they really need to start showing something just to not get completely embarrassed.


I love a good argument. Be it politics, sports, philosophy, or video games; debating and arguing is in my blood. However, there is one thing I won't argue about because it is UTTERLY pointless: screenshots and CG/FMV clips of games that no one has actually played, especially without huds and the likes. Its the fools gold of video games, its futility is rivaled only by alchemy and women obsessing over Ricky Martin.

Does Killzone 2 look Godly, yes. Does Motorstorm look unfreakin real? Yes. However, the preponderance of evidence points to the fact that in no way, shape or form were those videos representative of actual, PLAYABLE games.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23037&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

Not only that, but supposedly, the demos MS stupidly unveiled were running off alpha dev kits which have only one-third to one-half of the power of the finalized specs.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/615/615667p1.html

So, what e3 and the press conferences have boiled down to is simple: Who can impress the most with the most beautiful tech demos. Listen, anybody can stuff a sock down their swim trunks and strut around the beach like a stud, but the point is that no one has their pants down yet, therefore all this gushing about demos and screenshots is, and has always been kinda silly. (not *talking* about you MG) Did sony "win" E3? By that standard, absolutely, and the marketing department at MS is utterly, contemptably INANE.

I mean Inane by E3 hall-of shame standards. They KNEW Sony was going to jam them up with Toy-story, Pixar quality FMV/CG stuff, and MS counters with PD teasers that looked like hot ass. Kameo looked decent, GR 3 was passable, only GOW and PGR 3 looked shockingly next-gen. It was shocking how bad PD0 looked and whoever was in charge of the decision to show that debacle needs to be fired IMMEDIATELY. Now, all the tech press (who are mostly MS haters anyway) have ammunition, all the fanboys across every video game forum on the net are having a field day with the xbox 1.5 jokes, and MS has only themselves to blame. Its 2001 all over again, instead of the emotion engine, its the "reality synthesizer", and the way history is repeating itself is sickening. MS could have derailed the hype train, but they got steamrolled.

Hardware wise, it looks like the classic jack of all trades vs. the master of one skill. Apparently, Sony has no real answer to live or how to manage innerconnectivity through the appropriate software, which is MS' strength. On paper, the system appears stronger and therefore may offer better single player experiences, but the Tech jargon is beyond my scope. What I do know is that Sony has a storied history playing fast and loose with promises and declarations (the patently false ps2 hard drive promises) for one, and they have time to make minor changes. The 1080p is incredible, though almost useless, as is the dual HD support, and the Blu-Ray drive will play WHAT Blu-Ray movies WHEN?? I do, however, have to give credit where credit is due and however dubious the usefulness of these features will be, it does represent the cutting edge of the HD era. Assuming of course, none of this stuff gets cut.

The ball is in MS' court. Can they deliver stunning Next-Gen by November when it counts?? I gotta just wait, becuse again, the video and screenshot game is always so iffy.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

I love a good argument. Be it politics, sports, philosophy, or video games; debating and arguing is in my blood. However, there is one thing I won't argue about because it is UTTERLY pointless: screenshots and CG/FMV clips of games that no one has actually played, especially without huds and the likes. Its the fools gold of video games, its futility is rivaled only by alchemy and women obsessing over Ricky Martin.

Does Killzone 2 look Godly, yes. Does Motorstorm look unfreakin real? Yes. However, the preponderance of evidence points to the fact that in no way, shape or form were those videos representative of actual, PLAYABLE games.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23037&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

Not only that, but supposedly, the demos MS stupidly unveiled were running off alpha dev kits which have only one-third to one-half of the power of the finalized specs.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/615/615667p1.html

So, what e3 and the press conferences have boiled down to is simple: Who can impress the most with the most beautiful tech demos. Listen, anybody can stuff a sock down their swim trunks and strut around the beach like a stud, but the point is that no one has their pants down yet, therefore all this gushing about demos and screenshots is, and has always been kinda silly. (not *talking* about you MG) Did sony "win" E3? By that standard, absolutely, and the marketing department at MS is utterly, contemptably INANE.

I mean Inane by E3 hall-of shame standards. They KNEW Sony was going to jam them up with Toy-story, Pixar quality FMV/CG stuff, and MS counters with PD teasers that looked like hot ass. Kameo looked decent, GR 3 was passable, only GOW and PGR 3 looked shockingly next-gen. It was shocking how bad PD0 looked and whoever was in charge of the decision to show that debacle needs to be fired IMMEDIATELY. Now, all the tech press (who are mostly MS haters anyway) have ammunition, all the fanboys across every video game forum on the net are having a field day with the xbox 1.5 jokes, and MS has only themselves to blame. Its 2001 all over again, instead of the emotion engine, its the "reality synthesizer", and the way history is repeating itself is sickening. MS could have derailed the hype train, but they got steamrolled.

Hardware wise, it looks like the classic jack of all trades vs. the master of one skill. Apparently, Sony has no real answer to live or how to manage innerconnectivity through the appropriate software, which is MS' strength. On paper, the system appears stronger and therefore may offer better single player experiences, but the Tech jargon is beyond my scope. What I do know is that Sony has a storied history playing fast and loose with promises and declarations (the patently false ps2 hard drive promises) for one, and they have time to make minor changes. The 1080p is incredible, though almost useless, as is the dual HD support, and the Blu-Ray drive will play WHAT Blu-Ray movies WHEN?? I do, however, have to give credit where credit is due and however dubious the usefulness of these features will be, it does represent the cutting edge of the HD era. Assuming of course, none of this stuff gets cut.

The ball is in MS' court. Can they deliver stunning Next-Gen by November when it counts?? I gotta just wait, becuse again, the video and screenshot game is always so iffy.

Wan- Fu your Kung Fu is Masterful. Great Post.

[T.Tashi]

Nobody beats Sony's PR dept. Those guys are masterful at media manipulation.