Halo 3 to parry PS3 launch?

[ilnadmy]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/15/news_6124592.html

It seems like Ol' Bill has decided to release Halo 3 at the same time that the PS3 is released. As he likes to say, as soon as Sony release the PS3 they are going to "walk into" Halo 3. Hmm....now while this is a very interesting strategy, since Halo has such a huge fanbase, I would daresay that the PS2 has an even bigger fanbase. It would be ironic if this risky maneuvre ends up taking steam out of the release of Halo 3, rather than vice versa.

It does show how seriously Microsoft is taking this race however. It also shows that they're not really concerned with Revolution, while they're terrified of the PS3. That seems to be a mistake to me, however, since I feel the Revolution is going to make a huge impact on the gaming world when it hits.

We'll just have to wait and see, however.

[thelastword]

Well this newsbit has been around for a couple of days now, but I am in total agreement with your take on this Halo3 vs Ps3 affair. Halo might have been the key for microsoft this generation, but I believe that this key is beginning to rust somewhat. In essence, I just don't see Halo carrying over from this generation, to have any significant impact on the PS3's launch, (can anything really ?).

Like I've always said, First Person Shooters is a genre which cannot sustain any type of longevity over a franchise. The best ones have been those from ID SOFTWARE on the PC, however, even Doom 3 despite doing relatively well on the PC charts was received somewhat lacklustre. I mean let's be honest here, what will Halo 3 offer in it's third iteration that wasn't accomplished in the second (from a gameplay standpoint of course) absolutely nothing if you ask me. Well, prettier graphics, assuredly so, 100+ simultaneous players online, a possibility as well, but the core gameplay will remain the same. That right there is the problem with FPS in general, also because they're so plentiful, this is why I believe PS3 won't be phased by Halo3 in the least.

You've touched a point here on revolution which I've been forwarding in my last couple of posts as well, so naturally I agree. Microsoft was handed second place by Nintendo this generation, granted Xbox had the best GPU which helped them out as well, but Nintendo allowed MS to establish better ties to third parties when they had been at this game much longer than MS. This in fact was one of their crucial mistakes, the other was that their first and second parties just could not pump out enough games for the fans and there has been too many dry spells in the GC's lifespan. Now we move on to the next generation, and from what I've received thus far, it appears to be much better this time around. Nintendo appears to be coming up with a console which will differentiate itself from the rest, we talking about free online, b/c, a powerfull console(more so than X-360) and of course whatever new control scheme they're coming up with as well. All this is not confirmed as yet, but I'm willing to bet you that they have not been found laying in a supine position in preperation for next gen. As I've said to the most intoxicated of the Xbot's here and which you've concluded just the same, One never under-estimates his/her enemy before engagement, that's the worst thing anyone can do. It seems that Microsoft believes that Nintendo is not even in the squared circle, but I think this type of arrogance and disbelief will be their undoing. I have never been Pro-Nintendo, I am still not, but for the first time, I am considering getting the next Nintendo machine to complement my PS3. This gen I had ps2 and the Xbox, I bought it for all the common reasons, the power which was being touted, some of the games on the system especially those from sega, like; Panzer Dragoon Orta, Shenmue 2 and JSRF, I even put in many hours into Sega GT as well, Ninja Gaiden and Halo1 were all games I felt was great on the box but apart from these games I just don't see what else is so revolutionary on the box, maybe there are others like Oddworld which I wanted and never got to purchasing, but I see little else of interest, after a while, it was just too many shooters on the box with nothing offering you a breath of fresh air, like say, a Katamari etc.. I'm really sorry for going on here, it really was not my intention, as I only wanted to give a quick reply, but at the end of it all it appears to me that the XBOX 360 is heading in the same direction as Xbox1, the sad thing is that many xbots, especially the ones on this board are fine with that. This is what's written in their subconcious, " We want nothing different or revolutionary, just keep the twitchfests and boobfests coming along" It's a sad reality, I know, but that's their reality.

E3 begins tomorrow, that was my PRE-E3 rant, Hope all is revealed tomorrow..

[Mochan]

A few things.

First, Halo 3 won't really affect the PS3 that much because not too many Play Station gamers really care about FPS games. Looks like old Billy needs to do his homework a little better. Maybe he doesn't even play games and has no idea what the differences between genres are? It might sway the small demographic of PS gamers that actually go for FPS but the rest of them won't really care. Remember, the PS2 gamers have wide and varied interests. In fact, I get the feeling the current PS2 FPS gamers won't really care, if they did, they would have switched to the XBox already long ago.

Second, FPS longevity is stronger than you would think. People waited for Half Life 2 for what? 6 years? And despite all the crap they had to go through with Steam, they all still ate it up like pie. The reason Doom 3 didn't do too well was because it was rather crappy from a gameplay perspective. The original Half Life, which came out in 1998, had better gameplay. Doom 3 was just all about the tech and the atmosphere that that tech could create.

The core gameplay is also very attractive, that's why although most FPS haven't really changed the core gameplay (the only real culprits are the Thief games and the RPG hybrids like System Shock or Deus Ex), it still remains the #1 genre on the PC. This is actually the reason why Halo did so well on the XBox in the first place, the core gameplay was strong and it was a huge breath of fresh air to console gamers.


And in fairness, the XBox360 seems to be trying to shed the boobs and twitchfest image of the Xbox by trying to recruit more Jap devs into the scene, thus trying to expand their library diversity and thus,their market segment.

[thelastword]

First, Halo 3 won't really affect the PS3 that much because not too many Play Station gamers really care about FPS games. Looks like old Billy needs to do his homework a little better. Maybe he doesn't even play games and has no idea what the differences between genres are? It might sway the small demographic of PS gamers that actually go for FPS but the rest of them won't really care. Remember, the PS2 gamers have wide and varied interests. In fact, I get the feeling the current PS2 FPS gamers won't really care, if they did, they would have switched to the XBox already long ago.

Halo 3 won't affect Ps3 sales period. Ps3 will be a more powerful console with launch titles to Overshadow Halo 3. It's not just the console but also the games. You're right on this point though, not too many PS gamers are into shooters.


Second, FPS longevity is stronger than you would think. People waited for Half Life 2 for what? 6 years? And despite all the crap they had to go through with Steam, they all still ate it up like pie. The reason Doom 3 didn't do too well was because it was rather crappy from a gameplay perspective. The original Half Life, which came out in 1998, had better gameplay. Doom 3 was just all about the tech and the atmosphere that that tech could create.

That's why we're talking consoles here, it's longevity will not be sustained on consoles. Halflife however, is one of the best pc games ever, It's sequel came 6 years after the fact, these factors alone speaks volumes of how much it was anticipated, There's just no way it would have failed especially having such a brilliant developer and the fact that it was (the sequel) to probably the greatest pc game. Will Halo3 be anticipated with the same fervour as was Halflife 2? now that is the question. Halo 2 was only released a couple of months ago, If part 3 is released in the next year or so will it carry as much weight as PS3 launch titles, perhaps offering better graphics, newer gameplay mechanics and the like? I think not...


The core gameplay is also very attractive, that's why although most FPS haven't really changed the core gameplay (the only real culprits are the Thief games and the RPG hybrids like System Shock or Deus Ex), it still remains the #1 genre on the PC. This is actually the reason why Halo did so well on the XBox in the first place, the core gameplay was strong and it was a huge breath of fresh air to console gamers.

It may be attractive to you, but clearly it gets dull after a while , why do you think the games you mentioned had so much success, because they offered something different to routine fps gameplay. My point was simple, Halo 2 had phenomenal sales, but part 3 is always a crucial bridge to cross,
especially in a non progressive genre on a console.

The crucial thing about fps is this; whichever one offers anything slightly different, will be the most popular at that point in time, it could be as simple as offering Farcry's lush jungle levels to offering engaging levels and solid npc interaction in Halflife 2.

In Halo's case the first one had a good story with a blood pumping score which made you feel that you had to try your best to survive, Halo 2 concentrated moreso on the multiplayer aspects which was already solid in part one but it's single player aspects was'nt as good as the first, What now then? I believe even die hard console twitchers will be tired of that same world after a while, part 3 I believe will prove just that.

The other point to consider is this, who knows where the most popular shooter will reside next gen, you never know about these things, it could be on PS3, maybe even revolution.


And in fairness, the XBox360 seems to be trying to shed the boobs and twitchfest image of the Xbox by trying to recruit more Jap devs into the scene, thus trying to expand their library diversity and thus,their market segment.

Well I'm glad that you're convinced of that, but I'll be doing some further watching henceforth, I'm simply not as convinced as you are at this point. By the way in all the games announced for 360 thus far, what genres dominate that list?

I have'nt checked out two of the japanese devs yet but what is so new about ninty nine nights? 2000 characters on screen with amazing detail on each one and vast environments to do some slaughtering in, I'm not so keen on playing a next gen dynasty warriors, I'll have you know. I'll be sure to check on blue dragon and the others japanese games, but there's just no way that Xbox 360 will get an ounce of the quality Japanese support that PS3 will.

[Mochan]

I'm not necessarily convinced of anything, hence I said "seems to." I'll only get the Xbox 360 if I'm 100% convinced that the Jap devs, making the games I want, have been wooed over to the XBox360. And that's only if the PS3 doesn't offer anything on its own side. Which is highly unlikely. I'm not sold on the idea or anything, I just think its nice that MS is at least apparently trying to get into the market they've been neglecting for the past 3 years.

As for the core gameplay, it's not necessarily attractive to me, I wasn't saying that. Truth be told, I can't take too much straight FPS, it's something I typically just play every now and then. What I meant was it's very attractive to a lot of gamers in general, hence why it's the #1 genre on the PC.

I do have to agree with you, in terms of console, console gamers may not enjoy FPS for as long as PC gamers do. As I said, Halo was just a breath of fresh air, something new which they weren't used to. Because IMO, Halo didn't stack up to its contemporaries on the PC. The one thing it had going for it was the vehicles. It was beat in other departments by, say, games like Undying. In terms of story, music and even graphics, Undying (which came out a few months before it) had it beat. Actually even gameplay-wise, Undying offered a much faster-paced exhilarating experience.

Who knows whether the novelty will last? I'm no analyst on XBox gamer trends, but maybe what you say is true, and Halo 3 will no longer be the hit its predecessors were for XBots.

[Jupiter_x]

I'll only get the Xbox 360 if I'm 100% convinced that the Jap devs, making the games I want, have been wooed over to the XBox360.

Mochan.... Be Careful! M$ are a little shady at times! Remember the hype with PS2 ports on Xbox? Onimusha, MGS:Sons of Liberty, Silent Hills? Yeah, they got them alright...yep in some ways even better versions...BUT....aside from the GTA games...where were the sequels? :confused: Onimusha 2 and 3(PS2 only), MGS: Snake Eater(PS2 only) Silent Hill 3 (PS2 only)

I think M$ simply used these tactics as pure hype...to get their foot in the door as it were!!! I believe 360 will have J-RPGs...even some great ones...maybe even PS3 ports...but will they continue to come out long after Xbox 360s release?

Here's a Question: If Final Fantasy...Whatever...say "13" comes out on 360 and PS3 and then PS3 gets FF14...will 360 get it too? Or will they let it slide?


Continuity my Friend Continuity!

[Mochan]

That's exactly what I'm wary of. I don't know what kind of long-term commitment MS has, considering they just dumped the first Box. Another thing to consider is that MS seems to be most interested in Live subscriptions, almost more than in the Box itself. This means multiplayer is the key element... and multiplayer games at the moment, due to current game design philosophies, work best for FPS, racing, etc. Not for JRPGs and that other jazz.

Square shifted to Sony for whatever reasons back in 1995, it's the kind of company that looks at a long-term commitment. Whether they'll be shifting this gen or not is up in the air, but maybe not. I don't really see Squeenix budging from Sony at the moment.

At any rate, I'll not be grabbing the 360 until a sizable number of games I want come out on it.That's how I've always been in buying consoles; I never jump on it at launch, I always wait a year or so to see what I'm in for. Has the dual benefit of letting the price drop a bit, and to see what games are in the lineup. I usually have enough from the last gen and on the PC to keep me busy, though admittedly I sometimes feel left out while people play some games I want several months before I do. (this happened with Final Fantasy X and Metal Gear S for me).

[Jupiter_x]

I hear ya!

I am banking on PS3, Zillaman even stated he spoke with some insiders and found out that most of the developers that promised to launch titles on 360 have infact jumped ship already and are now developing for PS3! I belive this to be true as well...OR....they might simply stay with both 360 and PS3 but pimp more games on PS3 anyway!

The other problem, just as you stated! M$ does in fact seem to be focusing on Multiplayer! :o
Even the freakin' "MTV" unvieling was pimping multiplayer like the NINES! If this is the case, I am definetly NOT going with 360!...I mean for what? 2 or 3 JRPGs? and boatloads of Racers Fighters and Fragfests......Unreal Championship 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009.....YAWN :o


You want JRPGs, Japanese influenced adventure games, Platformers, and still get some racers, fighters and sports games...to top it off...better visuals? You want Square/Enix's Elite RPGs?




PS3, Dude! ;)

[Mochan]

It's becoming clearer to me that MS's real action plan was to sell the XBox at a loss, get into the market, then make up for this with Live subscription plans. This is the real goal; a steady monthly subscription service that will continue to generate revenue month after month without them having to do anything. The model probably isn't too different from celphone network providers who bundle phones ridiculously cheap with their locked-in monthly plans.

MS neglects the notion, though, that these services come for free on the PC (with the exception of MMORPGs and certain few other games). Well I feel sad for the XBot that needs to pay for this kind of thing. Nintendo has it the right way... free service. We'll have to wait and see what the PS3 intends to offer for this.

[ilnadmy]

That is exactly it. While M$ is going to be charging for Xbox Live Gold (or whatever the hell they call it now), Nintendo is going to have free online service, as will PS3 (if they carry on the trend of the PS2). This alone will entice gamers to buy those consoles instead of the X360.

By the way, E3 starts in two days. Therefore, we will be getting a LOT of info about the next-gen consoles...Maybe MS can find a way to dig itself out of the gutter....only time can tell.

[Jupiter_x]

Well I feel sad for the XBot that needs to pay for this kind of thing.

Don't feel so bad! The Xbots actually don't mind paying to play online through Live!.....No,I mean it!....Dead freakin' serious! They justify it by saying you get the best with live, voice chat, clans bla bla bla. The only way I am getting into Live is with those 2 month free tickets I recieved with Halo2 and my Xbox!

[Jupiter_x]

By the way, E3 starts in two days.


I thought E3 was starting today? hmmmm!


That girl in your avatar is super hot, dude!

[ilnadmy]

I thought E3 was starting today? hmmmm!

Well the press conferences start today, but E3 proper starts on the 18th.

That girl in your avatar is super hot, dude!

Hehe, Kyla Cole dude. Most beautiful woman alive, IMO.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Well this newsbit has been around for a couple of days now, but I am in total agreement with your take on this Halo3 vs Ps3 affair. Halo might have been the key for microsoft this generation, but I believe that this key is beginning to rust somewhat. In essence, I just don't see Halo carrying over from this generation, to have any significant impact on the PS3's launch, (can anything really ?).

Like I've always said, First Person Shooters is a genre which cannot sustain any type of longevity over a franchise. The best ones have been those from ID SOFTWARE on the PC, however, even Doom 3 despite doing relatively well on the PC charts was received somewhat lacklustre. I mean let's be honest here, what will Halo 3 offer in it's third iteration that wasn't accomplished in the second (from a gameplay standpoint of course) absolutely nothing if you ask me. Well, prettier graphics, assuredly so, 100+ simultaneous players online, a possibility as well, but the core gameplay will remain the same. That right there is the problem with FPS in general, also because they're so plentiful, this is why I believe PS3 won't be phased by Halo3 in the least.

You've touched a point here on revolution which I've been forwarding in my last couple of posts as well, so naturally I agree. Microsoft was handed second place by Nintendo this generation, granted Xbox had the best GPU which helped them out as well, but Nintendo allowed MS to establish better ties to third parties when they had been at this game much longer than MS. This in fact was one of their crucial mistakes, the other was that their first and second parties just could not pump out enough games for the fans and there has been too many dry spells in the GC's lifespan. Now we move on to the next generation, and from what I've received thus far, it appears to be much better this time around. Nintendo appears to be coming up with a console which will differentiate itself from the rest, we talking about free online, b/c, a powerfull console(more so than X-360) and of course whatever new control scheme they're coming up with as well. All this is not confirmed as yet, but I'm willing to bet you that they have not been found laying in a supine position in preperation for next gen. As I've said to the most intoxicated of the Xbot's here and which you've concluded just the same, One never under-estimates his/her enemy before engagement, that's the worst thing anyone can do. It seems that Microsoft believes that Nintendo is not even in the squared circle, but I think this type of arrogance and disbelief will be their undoing. I have never been Pro-Nintendo, I am still not, but for the first time, I am considering getting the next Nintendo machine to complement my PS3. This gen I had ps2 and the Xbox, I bought it for all the common reasons, the power which was being touted, some of the games on the system especially those from sega, like; Panzer Dragoon Orta, Shenmue 2 and JSRF, I even put in many hours into Sega GT as well, Ninja Gaiden and Halo1 were all games I felt was great on the box but apart from these games I just don't see what else is so revolutionary on the box, maybe there are others like Oddworld which I wanted and never got to purchasing, but I see little else of interest, after a while, it was just too many shooters on the box with nothing offering you a breath of fresh air, like say, a Katamari etc.. I'm really sorry for going on here, it really was not my intention, as I only wanted to give a quick reply, but at the end of it all it appears to me that the XBOX 360 is heading in the same direction as Xbox1, the sad thing is that many xbots, especially the ones on this board are fine with that. This is what's written in their subconcious, " We want nothing different or revolutionary, just keep the twitchfests and boobfests coming along" It's a sad reality, I know, but that's their reality.

E3 begins tomorrow, that was my PRE-E3 rant, Hope all is revealed tomorrow..

The problem with this post is that it's all speculation with no factual basis to back up the speculation. And not only that but your speculation is completely biased. You take the best possible scenarios towards the PS3 and Revolution and the worst possible sceanario towards the Xbox.

So PS3 gamers just dont like shooters? I guess the fact that the system hasn't had an above average shooter doesn't mean anything. What if I told you Nintendo's problem with the GC in NA was because they didn't have a good FPS? You would probably say I was crazy but if you look at the N64, Goldeneye was the best selling game on all platforms for damn near 3 yrs! Yet Nintendo never followed up on the GC sure they put MP in FP but it wasn't a "shooter" according to them and the multiplayer sucked. Also it's funny that the PS3 crowd who doesn't like shooters biggest online game is a tactical military shooter (Socom albiet it's in the 3rd person unless you are willing to argue that's why it succeeded) come on with the B.S. generalizations.

I don't care how many times you guys harp on it. The Katamari's and all those quirky games isn't why the PS2 is on top, It's the Madden's (first console this gen with a Madden game) The GTA's, the GT's it's the big name games that establish the console's fanbase. And after that those smallers games can find a home. But don't kid yourself people didn't buy the PS2 for those games if that was the case Nintendo would be out front because they have more of those types of games.

Your comment on the FPS gameplay is just ignorant! They have just as varied gameplay as any other genre. In fact I emplore you to name a genre where the gameplay is more varied than FPS it's too the point now that the FPS genre has gotten so varied that all FPS games aren't even considered FPS anymore I.E. Dues ex, MP, Riddick.

[ilnadmy]

Your comment on the FPS gameplay is just ignorant! They have just as varied gameplay as any other genre. In fact I emplore you to name a genre where the gameplay is more varied than FPS it's too the point now that the FPS genre has gotten so varied that all FPS games aren't even considered FPS anymore I.E. Dues ex, MP, Riddick.

'Tis true that the FPS genre is varied, but Deus Ex is not an FPS. It is an RPG played from the first-person perspective. Metroid Prime is not an FPS. It is an adventure game played from the first-person perspective.

If you wanted to show the variability of FPS games, you could have mentioned Half-Life 2, Far Cry, No One Lives Forever.....games that push the envelope.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

'Tis true that the FPS genre is varied, but Deus Ex is not an FPS. It is an RPG played from the first-person perspective. Metroid Prime is not an FPS. It is an adventure game played from the first-person perspective.



You've made my point for me. Ok then by defination what is a FPS? You must shoot you must be in the FPS which all of the above games do. And all of the games you mentioned are based around combat even MP. So what defines a FPS do you have to kill a certain amount of enemies per level? Like I said in my previous post the genre has become so varied that titles to distinguish themselves are lable as something other than a FPS.

[thelastword]

The problem with this post is that it's all speculation with no factual basis to back up the speculation. And not only that but your speculation is completely biased. You take the best possible scenarios towards the PS3 and Revolution and the worst possible sceanario towards the Xbox.
Worst possible scenarios against Xbox, give me a break. Whatever I've written on the Xbox is true, you're just too drunk with fanboy liquid to take notice. I mentioned several great games on the Xbox, Oh yes, but of course you missed that part because I'm being biased afterall.:rolleyes: The first 6 to 12 months xbox was looking very promising indeed. The titles I mentioned from sega was not available on PS2, even the likes of gunvalkyrie was a wee bit interesting to me, but when sega's games started failing on that system which of course led them to loosen their grip on MS, It was then that Xbox's library took the plunge to primarily shooters and racers and of course shallow and weak fighters. Say all you will, but these are the facts.

So PS3 gamers just dont like shooters? I guess the fact that the system hasn't had an above average shooter doesn't mean anything. What if I told you Nintendo's problem with the GC in NA was because they didn't have a good FPS? You would probably say I was crazy but if you look at the N64, Goldeneye was the best selling game on all platforms for damn near 3 yrs! Yet Nintendo never followed up on the GC sure they put MP in FP but it wasn't a "shooter" according to them and the multiplayer sucked. Also it's funny that the PS3 crowd who doesn't like shooters biggest online game is a tactical military shooter (Socom albiet it's in the 3rd person unless you are willing to argue that's why it succeeded) come on with the B.S. generalizations.
Read again drunk, I said most of them don't, I never said all, Even I like the occasional fun shooter. With a fanbase of well over 80 million, how could I deny that there is a solid shooter following..how could I unh!.. Sheesh!

Goldeneye was great, it did well on the N64 but no one knew whether it's sequel would have done as well on the GC, factoring in that the team did split up soon after, would it have been up to par ? was always the crucial question. On the other hand Metroid an old popular franchise was remade in 3d on the Gc with glorious graphics and solid gameplay from all accounts, and it also managed to do very well in the marketplace. Despite the fact that it lack's some routine fps features it would have to be their equivalent to goldeneye this gen. So yes. I'm saying no, A straightforward fps would not have the same kind of sucess that goldeneye had on the N64, Metroid 1 had to be their best bet.

I don't care how many times you guys harp on it. The Katamari's and all those quirky games isn't why the PS2 is on top, It's the Madden's (first console this gen with a Madden game) The GTA's, the GT's it's the big name games that establish the console's fanbase. And after that those smallers games can find a home. But don't kid yourself people didn't buy the PS2 for those games if that was the case Nintendo would be out front because they have more of those types of games.
No doubt, the Madden's ,the GTA's, The Gt's and FF's sell the most copies, but apart from that how many other million sellers do we have ? many more actually, perhaps they dont sell 8-10 million copies like Gt, but I'm sure Katamari sold over a million copies, I'm sure of it. The fact is these games are on the PS2 as an alternative to the normal run & gun stuff, It's not everyday in a gamer's life that he would want to wake up to a fragfest (well that excludes you does'nt it) a light fun game like katamari, Rez, Frequency does come into play, believe it or not. The funny thing about it, Is that these games sell much better overall than your typical xbox shooters & racers, with Halo alone being the only exception.


Your comment on the FPS gameplay is just ignorant! They have just as varied gameplay as any other genre. In fact I emplore you to name a genre where the gameplay is more varied than FPS it's too the point now that the FPS genre has gotten so varied that all FPS games aren't even considered FPS anymore I.E. Dues ex, MP, Riddick.
Did you even read what I wrote on this, Your bias has already stated that fps offer just as much variation as the other genres, I'm thinking now that you will soon be heading the route, that they offer the most variation in gameplay. You are so sad, are'nt you. The fact that Deus Ex and Riddick did things a bit different does not change the fact that they're still FPS, after all is said and done you still hold a gun in first person view and shoot things, bottomline. Granted with deus ex, the mixed rpg approach worked back then but how long has it been, I could see that you included a recent Fps for good measure, and yes, I agree that Riddick was well received by reviewers, but do you realize that it has'nt sold that much on the Xbox, and is even worst off on the PC. Whatever was there in Riddick, the fistfights, the stealth parts has all been done before and perfected in other genre's, there's is nothing really new so people are'nt really budging, Can't you see that. I guess you really can't.......:o

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Worst possible scenarios against Xbox, give me a break. Whatever I've written on the Xbox is true, you're just too drunk with fanboy liquid to take notice. I mentioned several great games on the Xbox, Oh yes, but of course you missed that part because I'm being biased afterall.:rolleyes: The first 6 to 12 months xbox was looking very promising indeed. The titles I mentioned from sega was not available on PS2, even the likes of gunvalkyrie was a wee bit interesting to me, but when sega's games started failing on that system which of course led them to loosen their grip on MS, It was then that Xbox's library took the plunge to primarily shooters and racers and of course shallow and weak fighters. Say all you will, but these are the facts.
Read again drunk, I said most of them don't, I never said all, Even I like the occasional fun shooter. With a fanbase of well over 80 million, how could I deny that there is a solid shooter following..how could I unh!.. Sheesh!

Okay I mispoke I should I have said that you use the worst case sceanario against the Xbox360 compared to the other 2. There are more games on the Xbox than shooters and racers. And your opinion of the fighters is just that your own I'm not going to debate with you about your opinion. The fact is this the Shooters and the Racers are usually the biggest profile games out there but there are small but high quality number of RPG's there are action games, Platformers, etc. Maybe you should actually look over the Xbox library first.



Goldeneye was great, it did well on the N64 but no one knew whether it's sequel would have done as well on the GC, factoring in that the team did split up soon after, would it have been up to par ? was always the crucial question. On the other hand Metroid an old popular franchise was remade in 3d on the Gc with glorious graphics and solid gameplay from all accounts, and it also managed to do very well in the marketplace. Despite the fact that it lack's some routine fps features it would have to be their equivalent to goldeneye this gen. So yes. I'm saying no, A straightforward fps would not have the same kind of sucess that goldeneye had on the N64, Metroid 1 had to be their best bet.
No doubt, the Madden's ,the GTA's, The Gt's and FF's sell the most copies, but apart from that how many other million sellers do we have ? many more actually, perhaps they dont sell 8-10 million copies like Gt, but I'm sure Katamari sold over a million copies, I'm sure of it. The fact is these games are on the PS2 as an alternative to the normal run & gun stuff, It's not everyday in a gamer's life that he would want to wake up to a fragfest (well that excludes you does'nt it) a light fun game like katamari, Rez, Frequency does come into play, believe it or not. The funny thing about it, Is that these games sell much better overall than your typical xbox shooters & racers, with Halo alone being the only exception.

Dumbest paragraph of the year. Are you actually saying that a company shouldn't try to follow up the success of a multimillion best selling game? Look buddy Nintendo had something that it's fanbase loved they dropped the ball when they gave up on the genre. Even if the team did split (which is way over exaggerated rare's website actually posted a story about the people who left and form free radical). You sure do make a lot of claims about sells with absolutely no proff of these numbers keep quoting those Phantom sell charts. The PS3 library is more varied there are more games no arguing that. That's what happens when you become the market leader Publishers can take more of risk. But even with that Ico flopped, Beyond G&E flopped, Rez flopped (Dude lost his job at Sega). Back your ASSumptions with facts next time ok?


Did you even read what I wrote on this, Your bias has already stated that fps offer just as much variation as the other genres, I'm thinking now that you will soon be heading the route, that they offer the most variation in gameplay. You are so sad, are'nt you. The fact that Deus Ex and Riddick did things a bit different does not change the fact that they're still FPS, after all is said and done you still hold a gun in first person view and shoot things, bottomline. Granted with deus ex, the mixed rpg approach worked back then but how long has it been, I could see that you included a recent Fps for good measure, and yes, I agree that Riddick was well received by reviewers, but do you realize that it has'nt sold that much on the Xbox, and is even worst off on the PC. Whatever was there in Riddick, the fistfights, the stealth parts has all been done before and perfected in other genre's, there's is nothing really new so people are'nt really budging, Can't you see that. I guess you really can't.......:o

I asked you to name games to refute my point. You didn't instead you went on to prove my point Dues EX and Riddick is about as different an experience you can get yet you want to lump them all together. Instead you fall back on the Phantom sales charts how many units has Riddick moved do you even know? Yet you are going to say it didn't sell because of lack of innovation? Look dude if innovation meant anything as far as sales go The DC would still be alive and kicking. Madden wouldn't sell Millions every year. Innovation is good to a certain extent but the fact remains that as with anything in life people tend to graviate toward what they are famaliar with.

[Mochan]

A lot of my friends though find Riddick to be one of the best shooters they've ever played.

[Cuddly Knife]

Your friends need to play Stranger's Wrath if they want a great FPS experience. It has Riddick, and most other console FPS beat in every possible category, minus multi-player.

[Jupiter_x]

Well the press conferences start today, but E3 proper starts on the 18th.



Hehe, Kyla Cole dude. Most beautiful woman alive, IMO.


Oh, so she is not your Girl friend!.... :p

[Ritchie Nolasco]

I am getting Halo 3 for sure! I'll even buy 2 copies of it!

[Jupiter_x]

I am getting Halo 3 for sure! I'll even buy 2 copies of it!

2 Copies? why? Waste of $$$

[Ritchie Nolasco]

2 Copies? why? Waste of $$$

Nope, it's not a waste at all. The Halo franchise has top quality and top entertainment value to its name and there is no doubt that Halo 3 will deliver the greatness.

If you want to know the real waste on money, then buy Killzone!

[ilnadmy]

Oh, so she is not your Girl friend!.... :p

No one said she isn't.

[thelastword]

You made absolutely no sense in your post, just the same worthless, liquor induced drivel, time and time again, when will you ever post something of worth around here.

What phantom charts are you talking about, Did'nt metroid prime do well at retail ? did'nt katamari do well at retail ? are you seriously denying that. Did'nt you ever read that Katamari was a sleeper hit, I remember seeing a sales chart awhile back which showed katamari edging on the 800,000 mark. I don't have the time to go perusing for these figures for you now, E3 coverage takes precedence, there are bigger things on the horizon as it were.

It's clear though, you are such a hypocrite, you go off and say that Ico, BG&E and rez flopped, yet you don't believe in the quality of these titles. I can tell you this much, ICO and REZ did much better than GBTG and Strangers Wrath and they're guaranteed sequels, and please don't forget that BG&E was a crossplatform game not a ps2 exclusive.

In your last paragraph, what exactly are you debating, FPS do not offer the most variety in gaming, simple as that, rpgs on the other do, just analyse the difference between baldur's gate, FF, Xenogears, Kotor, Shin Megami Tensei, Shadow hearts etc... and the proof is right in front of you. I really don't have time to baby sit at this point in time.

Oh!!! I almost forgot, you spoke some crap about the followup to the best shooter on N64, Goldeneye, are you that dumb, If a quality followup to goldeneye could have been achieved to boost gamecube sales they would have done so pinky, It's evident, that the same talent and resource pool responsible for Goldeneye was not available to them anymore so instead they directed their efforts to metroid prime, and it did'nt do too bad either, Is that so hard for you to comprehend? (I'm sorry I forgot it was you :rolleyes: ).

Anyways I'll be concentrating on E3 from now on, PS3 is kicking XBox 360 all over the park, that's more fun, Hope You Understand. :D