The Price of Xbox 360...according to EB!

[Jupiter_x]

I was at EB Games today trading in some old games and the Clerk told me they are taking $15 minimum deposites for Xbox 360. I asked him if they new the Price $$$ of this new Xbox...he told me it would be a staggering $730.00 (CDN) according to their lists!

Holy @%$&:eek:

I remember the Original Xbox being $450.00 (CDN) upon release, same as PS2!

[theWacoKid]

I was at EB Games today trading in some old games and the Clerk told me they are taking $15 minimum deposites for Xbox 360. I asked him if they new the Price $$$ of this new Xbox...he told me it would be a staggering $730.00 (CDN) according to their lists!

Holy @%$&:eek:

I remember the Original Xbox being $450.00 (CDN) upon release, same as PS2!

Placeholder lists, meaningless. A $399US xbox is still my guess. $499 in canada. Unprecedented? Not really. 3DO debuted at $699 US and the saturn was $399 US. Neither console was successful. Sega was forced to drop their price on the saturn, but even at $399, they were losing money.

MS faces no competitive pressure with xbox 360 for this holiday season. If you can afford an hdtv you can afford a $400 console more powerful than any existing pc gaming rig. Well, that's the spiel anyway. Why would MS sell it lower if they don't have to. Stuff like a detchable hard drive costs extra dollars to implement. Wireless controllers, making a system wifi ready, liquid cooling, 3 core cpu advanced graphics chip set along with 512 MB of memory and gamers think, oh, yeah, I want all that for peanuts like before.

Regardless of how you may feel about xbox 360, it basically destroys the current xbox in terms of not only raw power but also features and that is going to cost and MS is not about to absorb mulitple years of steady hardware losses like they had to with the xbox to satisfy xbox junkies. Part of the rationale is getting out first and establishing a price point they can live with and a price point they can maintain for a couple of years at the least. jAs it is, MS will have to recoup large development and marketing costs on the console.

People expecting some major price drop after 6 months to a year are in for a rude awakening. It won't happen. If you're waiting for price drops on those next gen consoles before taking the plunge you might as well stick with current, because all you'll be doing is waiting.

MS wont' repeat the scenario of hardware bloodbath from this gen and sony will continue to sell ps2 alongside the ps3.

[Jupiter_x]

If M$ prices it really high, I guess the one good thing is, PS3 will annihilate it both in price and power!

[theWacoKid]

If M$ prices it really high, I guess the one good thing is, PS3 will annihilate it both in price and power!

I see the ps3 at $399, no lower than that. The power quotient is elusive. For the first time in console gaming, consoles > pc. In other words, more power than required instead of how can I squeeze the game down. No compromises.

A lot depends on what game designers create, and just how much processing power is required. It may take two or three years to even scractch the surface of the next consoles.

Ultimately, it isn't about power, its about games. Whoever has the most, the best overall lineup and the top most highly coveted exclusives, wins. Its that simple. That's the way its been, that's the way it'll stay. No matter what xbot stooges want to claim, the ps2 didn't win on hype this gen, it won because the overall library was better than the other two. If MS wins next gen, it'll have to do the same, if they don't, they'll lose just like they did this gen. If third parties don't rally to the xbox, MS doesn't stand a chance. If they do, they can take sony. First party won't do it for MS.

[Mochan]

A lot depends on what game designers create, and just how much processing power is required. It may take two or three years to even scractch the surface of the next consoles.

A bit too much. I'd say by the end of the year, the current gen PC can already match the console at least blow for blow, but it will be at a much significantly higher cost. If the specs for the next gen consoles are like the XBox360 specs we've seen, PC should overtake it in about two years. Assuming PCs still powerup their hardware like crazy as they are today, and for the past four-five years. However, again, it will be at a horrendous cost, such PC that would beat next gen consoles would cost like 10 times as much as a nextgen console. And only morons or those with too much money to burn would be able to afford such a rig.

But anyway, like Wacokid said, it's all about the games and those who make them. Hardware isn't *that* important.

[Superior Beatslayer]

I was at EB Games today trading in some old games and the Clerk told me they are taking $15 minimum deposites for Xbox 360. I asked him if they new the Price $$$ of this new Xbox...he told me it would be a staggering $730.00 (CDN) according to their lists!

Holy @%$&:eek:

I remember the Original Xbox being $450.00 (CDN) upon release, same as PS2!

Theres no way in hell I'm paying 750, maybe if it was 450 at release then lowered for the holiday season I'd consider buying it then.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

I see the ps3 at $399, no lower than that. The power quotient is elusive. For the first time in console gaming, consoles > pc. In other words, more power than required instead of how can I squeeze the game down. No compromises.

A lot depends on what game designers create, and just how much processing power is required. It may take two or three years to even scractch the surface of the next consoles.

Ultimately, it isn't about power, its about games. Whoever has the most, the best overall lineup and the top most highly coveted exclusives, wins. Its that simple. That's the way its been, that's the way it'll stay. No matter what xbot stooges want to claim, the ps2 didn't win on hype this gen, it won because the overall library was better than the other two. If MS wins next gen, it'll have to do the same, if they don't, they'll lose just like they did this gen. If third parties don't rally to the xbox, MS doesn't stand a chance. If they do, they can take sony. First party won't do it for MS.

Just like the PS2 had so much of a power quotient over DC eh? BS. The non-innovative crap games that plagued the PS2 for the last few years have been crushed bt the excellent Xbox library. You're just a sony hype balogna pony eater. Library overall better of the 2? Keep smoking it man.

According to countless people on the Internet, PS2 will NEVEr get the "best game of all time"...Half Life 2...

Ps2 no longer owns any genres except 2...JRPGs and mindless beat em ups. What coveted exclusives are you talking about? Before you waste your time answering that, what coveted exclusives beat Ninja Gaiden, Halo 1 or 2? None. And why is it that most of the hottest multiplat games end up looking like jokes on PS2?

Xbox is a better gaming experience, unless you're stuck in the 90's.

[Mochan]

Halo isn't exclusive, you can get it on the PC and it's a much better gaming experience. Except for the ridiculous lack of Co-op, anyway. Though granted the co-op I played on the XBox at the time was a headache due to the split screen.

PS2 still owns the genre for JRPGs and SRPGs, and anime conversions, which count big since those are the games I was after when I got the PS2 in the first place. And those are the only games I play on the PS2 today. Everything else I get on the PC.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

You PC fanboys can laugh it up this gen, but next time around, you'll be hard pressed to even find a merely comperable gaming PC for an affordable price once this next generation of consoles hit the market. Gotta love all those incredible PC online racing games right? If you buy a racing wheel on PC, how is it better than console? I guess you could always spend more and more and more $, but that's not entirely realistic...is it? Look at the numbers, PC games don't sell as well as consoles games, and that is a fact. PC gats a decent game every couple months, 2 if lucky.

[Renzatic Gear]

You only think of decent titles as multimillion dollar hyped up out the ass games. But the PC sees tons of smaller developers release games that are easily as good as the big titles, just not nearly as hyped because they're usually not based on existing franchises. I'd say that I see just as many PC games I want as I do for the consoles every month, sometimes even more.

Plus you have the modding scene. As long as console manufacturers have a stranglehold over what's released on their systems, you'll never have a modding scene as rich and diverse as what you see on the comps.

There are plenty of reasons why the PC is gonna be around for a long, long time. Not only are they getting faster, usually outpacing what a new generation of consoles can do within a year or so, but they're getting cheaper as well.

[Jupiter_x]

You only think of decent titles as multimillion dollar hyped up out the ass games. But the PC sees tons of smaller developers release games that are easily as good as the big titles, just not nearly as hyped because they're usually not based on existing franchises. I'd say that I see just as many PC games I want as I do for the consoles every month, sometimes even more.

Plus you have the modding scene. As long as console manufacturers have a stranglehold over what's released on their systems, you'll never have a modding scene as rich and diverse as what you see on the comps.

There are plenty of reasons why the PC is gonna be around for a long, long time. Not only are they getting faster, usually outpacing what a new generation of consoles can do within a year or so, but they're getting cheaper as well.


Yet again, I must agree with you Renz!

[Mochan]

You PC fanboys can laugh it up this gen, but next time around, you'll be hard pressed to even find a merely comperable gaming PC for an affordable price once this next generation of consoles hit the market.

Doesn't matter to me, I don't mind spending on my PC, which gives better quality technically than comparable console games. I've always ridiculed PCs for being overpriced compared to what a console can offer for less. But you know what? I don't care. I get the best gameplay experience I want for what I paid for. Plus I use it for a lot of other things as well. The XBox360 may be trying to change into a multimedia center but it won't touch the versatility of the PC anytime soon.

PC gats a decent game every couple months, 2 if lucky.

That's where you're just flounting ignorance and pure bias. I can find just as many PC games I want to get as I do console games. Besides, being the XBot you are, I bet you're just going to rattle off a list of XBox games, many of which I can get or find subsitutes for on the PC.

And as Renz has mentioned, modding is the real place where consoles just can't compare. Ever tried Morrowind for the PC? You'd never want to go the XBox route once you see all the mods you can get for Morrowind. I'm still playing Morrowind to this day because I just got the latest Wizard Islands expansion, which added a huge new island with a complete 60 hour story, craploads of new monsters, items, NPCs, etc. And this is just the latest in a long line of mods.

Same thing for Half Life, Half Life 2, Doom 3, heck even Halo. And Far Cry, when the XBox version comes out.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

I am so sick of these pc guys, I guess they just don't understand not everyone shares their view of the world. If we did, we wouldn't need consoles. I don't understand why he is in here pimping PCs, does he really think he is going to change anyone's mind? That's about as silly as me going into the PC forum and getting them to switch to a console. Not gonna happen, but Mochan just keeps pissing into the wind.

Well, I guess according to him, the PCs will rule gaming, and overtake consoles. I can't wait.

As far as Wacko, I see he must have started taking his meds, he is finally starting to talk reasonably a little bit. Wonder how long this will last.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

I am so sick of these pc guys, I guess they just don't understand not everyone shares their view of the world. If we did, we wouldn't need consoles. I don't understand why he is in here pimping PCs, does he really think he is going to change anyone's mind? That's about as silly as me going into the PC forum and getting them to switch to a console. Not gonna happen, but Mochan just keeps pissing into the wind.

Well, I guess according to him, the PCs will rule gaming, and overtake consoles. I can't wait.

As far as Wacko, I see he must have started taking his meds, he is finally starting to talk reasonably a little bit. Wonder how long this will last.

Yo what's up with Forza? I'm free right now.

[GamerToday]

Stop being Cheap skate Nintendo Fanboys!

That the problem Nintendo Fanboys, they expect be dirt cheap. Nintendo made the cheapest console, $199 and now $99.00. It did not sell much, 3rd place.

Sony and Microsoft sold for $299.00 Now $149 and Soon $99.00. It will Continue to Sell.

Yes, Sony probably match Microsoft with on next generation Console. People will buy it.

People pay for other electronics like PLasma TV.

NIntendo Fanboys, No one forcing you to buy superior next generation consoles. Nintendo Revolution will probably come at $199.00. No one going buy it but extreme fanboys and the ignorant gamers.

Just Remember, today technology and games require more development time and development cost. It not like it just another minor Upgrade notorious for Nintendo Products. If Sony and Microsoft was not in the Console business, Next Generation Consoles graphics and technology by Nintendo will be slightly better than N64.

Just look at the Gameboy handheld line. In version is just a minor improvement over the next. ONly after the Sony Threat, Nintendo make a quantum leap with DS. To bad Sony still outdone Nintendo. History will repeat itself over and Over, Sorry Nintendo. 3rd Place maybe 4th or 5th place in the next console war. I would not be surprise Xbox and PS2 will continue outselling Nintendo REvolution.

[theWacoKid]

Just like the PS2 had so much of a power quotient over DC eh? BS. The non-innovative crap games that plagued the PS2 for the last few years have been crushed bt the excellent Xbox library. You're just a sony hype balogna pony eater. Library overall better of the 2? Keep smoking it man.

According to countless people on the Internet, PS2 will NEVEr get the "best game of all time"...Half Life 2...

Ps2 no longer owns any genres except 2...JRPGs and mindless beat em ups. What coveted exclusives are you talking about? Before you waste your time answering that, what coveted exclusives beat Ninja Gaiden, Halo 1 or 2? None. And why is it that most of the hottest multiplat games end up looking like jokes on PS2?

Xbox is a better gaming experience, unless you're stuck in the 90's.

You're an xbot stooge tappy and you along with your xbot cronies are the ones doing drugs. The proof is in the sales totals. Ps2 > Xbox, get over it and move on. At least MS isn't as dumb as you hockey pucks in not realizing they were thoroughly beaten this gen.

So, what beat the xbox, sony hype, black magic, voodoo, the easter bunny. You guys have a million and one excuses for MS's overall poor showing.

The first couple of years the xbox was out, the library blew massive chunks with a few titles keeping its head above water. Oh, yeah, keep telling me about the wonders of Kung Poo Chaos. Halo kept it alive the first holiday season and spliinter cell the second. There was a lot of crap software released and a lot of it came from MS.

Ninja Gaiden, ninja gaiden, ninja gaiden! One game. Capcom released 3 onimusha games. And sorry, but three > one. What are you going to do, play the same frickin game over and over again. You gonna pull out the nintendo mantra, quality over quantity BS.

MS lost this gen, they know it, its about time you figured that out, too and grew up.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

You're an xbot stooge tappy and you along with your xbot cronies are the ones doing drugs. The proof is in the sales totals. Ps2 > Xbox, get over it and move on. At least MS isn't as dumb as you hockey pucks in not realizing they were thoroughly beaten this gen.

So, what beat the xbox, sony hype, black magic, voodoo, the easter bunny. You guys have a million and one excuses for MS's overall poor showing.

The first couple of years the xbox was out, the library blew massive chunks with a few titles keeping its head above water. Oh, yeah, keep telling me about the wonders of Kung Poo Chaos. Halo kept it alive the first holiday season and spliinter cell the second. There was a lot of crap software released and a lot of it came from MS.

Ninja Gaiden, ninja gaiden, ninja gaiden! One game. Capcom released 3 onimusha games. And sorry, but three > one. What are you going to do, play the same frickin game over and over again. You gonna pull out the nintendo mantra, quality over quantity BS.

MS lost this gen, they know it, its about time you figured that out, too and grew up.

MS lost this Gen as far as sales numbers. But to say they failed is foolish they've sold over 20 millioin consoles. Besides Ninga Gaiden there were 2 otogi games as well. No one is arguing that the PS2 has more but we do argue that the Xbox has better.

[i]"Capcom released 3 onimusha games. . And sorry, but three > one."]

According to Wacko logic 3 lumps of Coal is better then one Diamond.

[slade]

I see Sony shortchanging us on the RAM. I doubt that PS3 will have 512. It will probably be more along the lines of 256 or if they're feeling super cheap, probably less then even 200. The past two generations, Sony has shortchanged us on RAM one way or another and that may well continue this generation.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

I see Sony shortchanging us on the RAM. I doubt that PS3 will have 512. It will probably be more along the lines of 256 or if they're feeling super cheap, probably less then even 200. The past two generations, Sony has shortchanged us on RAM one way or another and that may well continue this generation.

Not only that there won't be a HDD either so prepare for more mem cards or more likely Sony's Memory stick. I'll be surprised if they have wireless controllers standard. Sony might bring out a first Party one like Nintendo did with the Wavebird but standard? I doubt. Sony Online maybe but at least intially it won't be as good as Xbox live and it damn short won't be free. PS3 consumers are going to eat the R&D cost of the cell either with an astronomical price (doubtful) but a feature stripped system. But hey there will be B.C. and Blu Ray so you'll be all straight to watch movies and play PS2 games.

[theWacoKid]

History will repeat itself over and Over, Sorry Nintendo. 3rd Place maybe 4th or 5th place in the next console war. I would not be surprise Xbox and PS2 will continue outselling Nintendo REvolution.

News flash, you won't even see an xbox this holiday season. MS is dumping the xbox, its done, its history, sayonara. Nvidia will wrap up chip shipments this quarter as per MS demand and pfft. Over. Whatever's in inventory gets sold and that's it. Kaput. Nice company. New system isn't even out, and they're already digging the grave for the xbox. LOL! Classic. RIP you ugly hulking monstrosity. MS had their beta test and now its time for the real thing. Yeah, it was just an experiment.

Keep that in mind, when you pre-order the 360 boyz. MS is a company that stands behind its products or in this case over the early grave of its product. Man, they just can't wait to start over from a clean slate.

Hey, TMG, how's that B/C going? Oh, I did find out how MS is going to make the xbox 360 b/c with the xbox games. Click the link to find out.

http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000000041614/

[theWacoKid]

MS lost this Gen as far as sales numbers. But to say they failed is foolish they've sold over 20 millioin consoles. Besides Ninga Gaiden there were 2 otogi games as well. No one is arguing that the PS2 has more but we do argue that the Xbox has better.

[i]"Capcom released 3 onimusha games. . And sorry, but three > one."]

According to Wacko logic 3 lumps of Coal is better then one Diamond.

Tecmo is the single most over-rated developer around. DOA is a third rate fighting series, DOAXBV was one of the most embaressing xbox titles released, if not the most. It was a crap volleyball game. The only thing Tecmo released that was even worthy of consideration was NG and yea, I'd take three onimusha games over NG in a heartbeat. Tecmo couldn't hack it competing against the likes of Capcom, Namco and Sega on a level playing field, so they went to the xbox to stand out so they won't get lost in the shuffle and ignored by gamers like they typically are. If you need a more powerful console to stand out, just how good a developer are you anyway.

[theWacoKid]

I see Sony shortchanging us on the RAM. I doubt that PS3 will have 512. It will probably be more along the lines of 256 or if they're feeling super cheap, probably less then even 200. The past two generations, Sony has shortchanged us on RAM one way or another and that may well continue this generation.

You're forgetting the psp. Sony was going to put in just 8MB of ram. After talking to developers they put in 32 MB, more than most developers were hoping for. If MS is at 512MB, Sony will be at 512MB.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

If MS is at 512MB, Sony will be at 512MB.

Hilarous! Serious this is hilarious.

Oh and Ninga Gaiden kills Onimusha. DMC is the true contender to NG. And Tecmo didn't develope Otogi which by the way is better than Onimusha as well.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

Blah blah blah, you PC fanboys are forever chanting the same garbage over and over again. Mods...blah blah blah...you love to think you're a majority, but again, LOOK AT THE SALES CHARTS BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH. You are the snoody minority, that likes to think you're a majority.

If I spend 1000$'s on a PC, sure, I can have a nice experience, not capable on console, but how rare is this really? Morrowind? Meh, keep that garbage.

And the best game this generation is not available on PC, Burnout 3...neither will Burnout revenge.

So I guess if you're addicted to FPS, and strat RPGs, get a PC, otherwise, you'll be left out in the cold trying to scrounge and gather what few other genres you have to choose from.

[Renzatic Gear]

I played Burnout 3, it's fun but I can live without it.

And anyway, it's easy to get just about any type of genre for the PC as you would the Xbox or PS2...all except for fighting games anyway.

[GamerToday]

Blah blah blah, you PC fanboys are forever chanting the same garbage over and over again. Mods...blah blah blah...you love to think you're a majority, but again, LOOK AT THE SALES CHARTS BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH. You are the snoody minority, that likes to think you're a majority.

If I spend 1000$'s on a PC, sure, I can have a nice experience, not capable on console, but how rare is this really? Morrowind? Meh, keep that garbage.

And the best game this generation is not available on PC, Burnout 3...neither will Burnout revenge.

So I guess if you're addicted to FPS, and strat RPGs, get a PC, otherwise, you'll be left out in the cold trying to scrounge and gather what few other genres you have to choose from.

You know many gaming innovations started on the PC not Nintendo. Many gaming Genres started on the PC not Nintendo. Nintendo fanboys tend to ingore PC when it fits them to brag about Nintendo. Nintendo only innovations is to bring PC Concept to the console. It not innovation, it migration.

One thing PC has, console will not have or at least not fully 100%. MOD community.
Player made Mod. Many of the PC Gamer Modder has gone to making games for the Consoles thanks to starting on the PC. Again, many gaming innovations from MODs started on the PC not the Nintendo. I would not be surprise I see the ability to make MODS using the PC to be imported into Xbox 360. Sony will definitely follow Microsoft lead in importing MOD into PS3.

Nintendo will not because they think their customer base is a bunch of retards and idiots. This the reason why, you see Nintendo constantly trying to determine what games you play. Which explain why Nintendo hates 3rd party developers?

[slade]

You're forgetting the psp. Sony was going to put in just 8MB of ram. After talking to developers they put in 32 MB, more than most developers were hoping for. If MS is at 512MB, Sony will be at 512MB.

I just don't see it. Especially considering the PSP. They've taken that risk because they have to compete with Nintendo whereas they are still King in console land. Even the HDD may not be a lock but I can live with that. The HDD was probably the most useless affectation offered for consoles this generation.

[slade]

Hey, TMG, how's that B/C going? Oh, I did find out how MS is going to make the xbox 360 b/c with the xbox games. Click the link to find out.

http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000000041614/

Dude, you can't just post A material like that and not put the pic up:

http://mendelini.com/xboxstacked.jpg

[Superjoint Ritual]

LMAO!!!

Anyone catch the J. Allard interview where he says first to ten million wins ?! This guy's classic. Here's the link... Read at our own risk. :D

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.06/xbox_pr.html

[BaneNWN]

I am so sick of these pc guys, I guess they just don't understand not everyone shares their view of the world. If we did, we wouldn't need consoles. I don't understand why he is in here pimping PCs, does he really think he is going to change anyone's mind? That's about as silly as me going into the PC forum and getting them to switch to a console. Not gonna happen, but Mochan just keeps pissing into the wind.

Well, I guess according to him, the PCs will rule gaming, and overtake consoles. I can't wait.

As far as Wacko, I see he must have started taking his meds, he is finally starting to talk reasonably a little bit. Wonder how long this will last.

What do you mean pc's will overtake consoles??They already are and have been for a long time.If your reffering to Mochans post what he says is not opinion its fact.Considering a large chunk of Xbox games are also PC games why would i lessen the experience and play the xbox version??The only way id buy another Xbox is if they start comig out with games that i really want, that are Xbox exclusive titles otherwize ill buy the pc version every time sorry.

[theWacoKid]

I just don't see it. Especially considering the PSP. They've taken that risk because they have to compete with Nintendo whereas they are still King in console land. Even the HDD may not be a lock but I can live with that. The HDD was probably the most useless affectation offered for consoles this generation.

The decision to go to 32MB was made after talks with developers. I'm confident that sony will listen to developers and if developers are telling them they need 512MB, then that's what sony will put in. Sony is doing a lot of things different lately and with new management, I think people will be suprised what's going to go down with sony. Sony looking to stop a format war would've been unheard of a year ago, but look what's happening now.

And yeah, you're right about the pic. Comedy gold.

[Renzatic Gear]

Considering that all these new consoles are gonna be HD ready, they'll need to stuff alot of memory in their machines if they want to push the envelope on image quality.

It doesn't matter how much pipeline bandwidth you have or how many CPU's you have doing what, if you're gonna shortchange ram then you're really screwing yourself over.

[Superjoint Ritual]

Huh... My Dell has 1 gig of Ram. And I'm concerned it's going to be obsolete in a year or so. I was going to go with two gigs, but that was about eight-hundered bucks more, and I'm cheap. ;)

[Mochan]

I am so sick of these pc guys, I guess they just don't understand not everyone shares their view of the world.

You can get sick all you want, I don't mind. You're the one getting sick, not me.

[Mochan]

Huh... My Dell has 1 gig of Ram. And I'm concerned it's going to be obsolete in a year or so. I was going to go with two gigs, but that was about eight-hundered bucks more, and I'm cheap. ;)


Hold on, 1GB of DDR400 Corsair RAM only costs some $90 US! You can upgrade your RAM easily.

And for everyone's information, I'm not pimping the PC, I just can't abide seeing people act as if certain games are exclusive to a certain console when they're available on the PC. I sure as hell don't expect anyone to go buy a PC, why should I care? You can game on the XBox or the GC or whatever, it's not like I get a commission for every PC sold.

And what's wrong with talking about the PC? This is the System Wars forum, and the PC is just as legit a system as any console. Or is it that the XBots are feeling the pressure because they can't flaunt their tech superiority if the PC comes onto the table? I only see XBots complaining about PCs being mentioned.

[Superjoint Ritual]

Hold on, 1GB of DDR400 Corsair RAM only costs some $90 US! You can upgrade your RAM easily. Eh, 2gb channel DDR2 SDRAM at 400 mhz was 400 dollars more than same specs with only 1 gig. My bad. :D

[Mochan]

That's why I always say build your own PC and don't buy prebuilts!