Are You Getting Xbox 360?

[Jupiter_x]

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Will You Be In Line On Release Day? What say you?

[Mochan]

I may get it eventually (and only if a lot of good games I can't get anywhere else come out on it) but there's no freaking way I'm getting it on release date.

[slade]

Based on that special I saw, no freakin' way. However, I am going to wait on more impressions from E3. I won't buy it on launch but I will wait to see how developer support for it turns out.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Based on that special I saw, no freakin' way. However, I am going to wait on more impressions from E3. I won't buy it on launch but I will wait to see how developer support for it turns out.

Dog like that old En vogue song "You're neva gonna git it, Neeeva Gonna Git it who hoo hoo hoooo!"

[trebor]

Like the rest of the planet, I'll probably hold off until all three next-gen consoles are out and then pick the one that tickles my fancy.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Like the rest of the planet, I'll probably hold off until all three next-gen consoles are out and then pick the one that tickles my fancy.

Dude you're like a kid in Michael Jackson's bed you are getting tickled! All it will takes is for shiggy to run on stage at E3 in a plumbers uniform and you're sold on the Revy.

[Superjoint Ritual]

Dude you're like a kid in Michael Jackson's bed you are getting tickled! All it will takes is for shiggy to run on stage at E3 in a plumbers uniform and you're sold on the Revy. *zing* :rolleyes:

[trebor]

Dude you're like a kid in Michael Jackson's bed you are getting tickled! All it will takes is for shiggy to run on stage at E3 in a plumbers uniform and you're sold on the Revy.

All it takes is a couple of FPS games, Racing games, and some boob/blood combos and you'll be busting down the doors on 360 launch day, I'm sure. :rolleyes:

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

All it takes is a couple of FPS games, Racing games, and some boob/blood combos and you'll be busting down the doors on 360 launch day, I'm sure. :rolleyes:

Got that right KIDDO! :)

[theWacoKid]

It boils down to exclusives, and at this point, you've got a washed up Rare and PGR3 for MS. That's not too exciting. Kameo, a game in development hell that was taking so long they shifted it to xbox 360. PD0 which looks bleh, and for all we know, might be multiplayer only. Thrillsville. That leaves PGR3 and well, MS might have been smarter to have delayed Forza and shift that to 360 instead. Another PGR doesn't light my fire.

Everything else will wind up on ps3 as well, so what the hell do I care. The big dif is that in the past, games like Ghost Recon looked and played better on the xbox. Not anymore. That advantage will be long gone. It also needs to be noted that litlte to no info is availabe as to what titles will be available for launch.

And still no word on pricing. I'm sticking to $399, boyz. We'll see how many xbots are willing to pony up those dollars. You dont' think MS is pimping the hell out of their revolution and then not going to ask big dollars. Who do you think pays for shindigs like the MTV fiasco. It ain't billy boy, its the xbot crowd that foots the bill.

[slade]

Dog like that old En vogue song "You're neva gonna git it, Neeeva Gonna Git it who hoo hoo hoooo!"

If what we've seen is what we get, you're right.

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

PD0 which looks bleh, and for all we know, might be multiplayer only.

It would suck if PD0 is multiplayer only. The only reason I enjoyed the first Perfect Dark was because of the split-screen co-op story mode.

More than likely, I will probably pick one up by mid 2006, depending on the exclusives and Elderscrolls: Oblivion.

[theWacoKid]

It would suck if PD0 is multiplayer only. The only reason I enjoyed the first Perfect Dark was because of the split-screen co-op story mode.

More than likely, I will probably pick one up by mid 2006, depending on the exclusives and Elderscrolls: Oblivion.

From a brief MS blurb advert on the game, it should have single player, but MS being MS, they've only showed mp shots and boring ones at that. I have no faith in Rare at this point. They deliver visuals but it takes them forever and sorry, but the gameplay of recent Rare offerings has either sucked or been fairly uninspired.

No Halo to prop up 360 is going to make it a much tougher launch than what a lot of people expect and PDZ isn't going to cut it. For the majority of gamers, its perfect dark what? An old n64 game which btw really needed that mem expansion to work to its best isn't really the stuff that system sellers are made of. MS has dodgy first party stuff and they shot a big load the first part of this year with JE, Forza and the like. I still think Forza would've been a better choice for 360 than another PGR game. I mean seriously, why introduce a new franchise on an old console you're going to dump, and bring out a third iteration of a game for your brand new console. Forza is going to have more longevity to begin with. And what are they thinking with Kameo? A gc reject that wouldn't cut it on the xbox and they want to bring it out for launch for 360. That shows you how little they're prepared on a first party basis for this launch.

[The Prince of Darkness]

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Will You Be In Line On Release Day? What say you?

I don't know if I will be in line on release day, but if it is b/c I will probably end up with it eventually. I am only getting one console next time around, and it will probably be a 360 unless MS blows it.

[Glockstar]

Are You Getting Xbox 360?

Will You Be In Line On Release Day? What say you?

Oh I'm sure I'll get one... eventually.

But on Release Day? Both my crystal ball and my Magic 8-Ball say the same thing: The Odds Are Not Good.

But the clincher is my hindsight. Which not only agrees, but it also shows that I've NEVER bought a system on Release Day. From Pong to the PSP... - I have never gotten a system even while it was in it's Launch Window.

The closest I've come was with the Xbox - at about 5 - 6 months out. After that, the second closest would probably be with the Super NES - at sometime just after 6 months.

And you want to know what's funny - I've looked at just about every systems launch with either negativity or biased hatred. Every system - save the Super. And the PSP.

And now the 360.

But I can't say for sure whether I'm going to get one at this time, because I don't know enough about the games that are supposed to come out for it, at this time. Some of them sound cool - but are they "$350" or "$175" games? I don't know. But... I also doubt it.

Like most people here I'm all about the games. In fact, I've bought a game for a system - even before I had the system. And I've done that on more than one occasion!

Well here's what I know about the 360 ("Launch"(?)) games - so far:

One of the reasons the Xbox 360 seems poised for success is that developer support is very strong. Microsoft's Peter Moore noted that about 4,000 developer kits for the new console have already been distributed. While many developers, especially Japanese ones, were skeptical of the Xbox when it arrived in 2001, most of the naysayers eventually came on board. The one key thing about the industry now is that the days of seeing the sorts of exclusive deals that helped Nintendo rule the roost back in the day are probably gone for good. The fact that a company like Rockstar would convert its Grand Theft Auto games over to the Xbox speaks to how Microsoft made believers among the development community.

The nature of the video game business for publishers is to reach as many people as possible. Consoles with user bases in the millions can't be ignored. There's been enough excitement in the development community over the current Xbox hardware and the potential of Xbox Live that making the leap to the 360 right now makes smart business sense. The powerful hardware, which MS has made no secret it's aiming to make as developer-friendly as possible, will have a very powerful draw on developers, who are always hungry for more muscle to realize their visions.

This has ensured a healthy amount of support in the US, but, based on all the announcements that have been made in the months leading up to E3, it appears MS has managed to entice the Japanese development community as well. With support from heavy hitters such as ex-Square motherbrain Hironobu Sakaguchi, who is now with Mistwalker, and ex-Sega visionary Tetsuya Mizuguchi, the 360 is poised to have unique content that should have a strong appeal to the Japanese market and, by default, the US one. By signing developers of that caliber and by retaining close ties with Tecmo's amazing Team Ninja, all signs point to the 360 software library having some great content. This is ultimately all coming about because Microsoft has shown it "gets" what's needed to be a success in the console space and that confidence is picked up on by developers who are eager to throw down with someone who's hungry to make a mark in the industry.

Here are some games that have been announced or are known to be in development on the Xbox 360.

01) Alan Wake (Developer: Remedy; Publisher: n/a)
02) Blue Dragon (Developer: Mistwalker; Publisher: n/a)
03) Call of Duty 2 (Developer: Infinity Ward; Publisher: Activision)
04) Condemned (Developer: Monolith; Publisher: Sega)
05) Dark Sector (Developer: Digital Extremes; Publisher: n/a)
06) The Darkness (Developer: Starbreeze Studios.; Publisher: Majesco Games)
07) Demonik (Developer: Terminal Reality; Publisher: Majesco Games)
08) Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (Developer: Bethesda Softworks; Publisher: 2K Games)
09) Full Auto (Developer: Sega; Publisher: Sega)
10) Gears of War (Developer: Epic Games; Publisher: MS Game Studios)
11) Ghost Recon 3 (Developer: Ubisoft; Publisher: Ubisoft)
12) Kameo: Elements of Power (Developer: Rare, Ltd.; Publisher: Microsoft Game Studios)
13) Madden NFL 06 (Developer: EA Tiburon; Publisher: EA Sports)
14) NBA 2K6 (Developer: Visual Concepts; Publisher: 2K Sports)
15) Need for Speed Most Wanted (Developer: Electronic Arts; Publisher: Electronic Arts)
16) Perfect Dark Zero (Developer: Rare, Ltd.; Publisher: MS Game Studios)
17) Project Gotham Racing 3 (Developer: MS Game Studios; Publisher: Bizarre Creations)
18) Quake 4 (Developer: Raven Software; Publisher: Activision)
19) Saint's Row (Developer: THQ; Publisher: THQ)
20) Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06 (Developer: EA Sports; Publisher: EA Sports)
21) Tomb Raider: Legend (Developer: Crystal Dynamics; Publisher: Eidos Interactive)
22) Tony Hawk's American Wasteland (Developer: Neversoft; Publisher: Activision)
23) 2 Days to Vegas (Developer: Steel Monkeys; Publisher: n/a)

<a href=http://www.gamespot.com/features/6124293/p-4.html>Taken from the GameSpot article "Xbox 360: Inside & Out"</a>

Plus...

23) Ninety-Nine Nights (Developers:Q Entertainment and Phantagram; Publisher: n/a)
24) Frame City Killer (Developer: Namco Hometek; Publsiher: Namco Hometek)
25) Test Drive Unlimited (Developer: Eden Studios; Publisher: Atari)
26) Possesion (Developer: Bltz Games; Publisher: n/a)
27) as yet untitled Okamoto party-game (Developer: Game Republic; Publisher: n/a)
28) as yet untitled Okamoto action-game (Developer: Game Republic; Publisher: n/a)
29) Lost Oddysee (Developer: Mistwalker; Publisher: Microsoft)
30) Unreal Tournament 2007 (Developer: Epic Games; Publisher: Midway)
31) [eM] -eNCHANT arM (Developer: From Software; Publisher: n/a)

And the list keeps growing! I gotta stop there - because I gotta stop sometime! Everytime I go back to check the ezines I see they added a new article about a new title being announced or revealed!

There is no doubt in my mind that the 360 Launch Lineup will be the biggest ever!
Now whether it's any good or not... ;)

[Glockstar]

Pre-E3 2005: Xbox 360 The Moore Effect
VP Peter Moore delivers crucial details for the big-picture gamer.
by Douglass C. Perry [IGN]

May 12, 2005 - At Microsoft's house last week, we met with five major executives for the most impressive and thorough set of demos we've ever experienced in gaming history. Vice President Of Japanese Goodness and all things English (OK, that's not his real title) Peter Moore spoke to us, showed us games, and outlined the major elements crucial to Xbox 360's success.

"We have four must-haves for Xbox 360 games," said the sunburnt, well-muscled Moore. "First, every game must have 720p minimum, and some developers want to go higher, which is fine by us. Second, every game must have 16x9 with no letterboxing allowed. Third, every game will support Dolby 5.1 surround sound, and fourth, every game will will be anti-aliased with our built-in 2X anti-aliasing tools."

But that's really just the groundwork for Microsoft. Moore expounded on "Showcases." People will very soon be watching videogame tournaments, he said. You can watch Project Gotham Racer 3 in Spectator mode to simply watch and learn how pro gamers do it. In the future, hundreds of players can watch a tournament or a special battle, or another kind of special event.

Moore explained that episodic content will be a regular thing. Traditional publishing will change with free and paid-for downloadable content, with episodes coming every year or six months from various publishers.

Microsoft, he added, will publish at least three first-party games at launch: Gears of War, Project Gotham Racing 3, and Kameo, plus Perfect Dark Zero, which will have 64-player online capabilities.

"We have 160 Xbox 360 games in development right now, with 4,000 test units in developers hands across the world," Moore explained. "We'll launch 25-30 games until the new year and we're already tracking games into 2006 and 2007. We'll support Xbox 1 until end of year 2006, and there will be 85 Xbox games on the E3 show floor to prove it. But Microsoft's first-party teams will only be working on Xbox 360 games from here on out."

From here, Microsoft has launched a deep, thorough salvo for its upcoming system on every level of media across the world. The message? Xbox 360 is for real, from the marketing, the technology, the games, and especially the online components. Oh yeah, in all of that is one more message, less obvious, less direct, but just as prominent: Sony, we're coming to get ya.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/613/613257p1.html

[Zilla Man]

Oh I'm sure I'll get one... eventually.

But on Release Day? Both my crystal ball and my Magic 8-Ball say the same thing: The Odds Are Not Good.

But the clincher is my hindsight. Which not only agrees, but it also shows that I've NEVER bought a system on Release Day. From Pong to the PSP... - I have never gotten a system even while it was in it's Launch Window.

The closest I've come was with the Xbox - at about 5 - 6 months out. After that, the second closest would probably be with the Super NES - at sometime just after 6 months.

And you want to know what's funny - I've looked at just about every systems launch with either negativity or biased hatred. Every system - save the Super. And the PSP.

And now the 360.

But I can't say for sure whether I'm going to get one at this time, because I don't know enough about the games that are supposed to come out for it, at this time. Some of them sound cool - but are they "$350" or "$175" games? I don't know. But... I also doubt it.

Like most people here I'm all about the games. In fact, I've bought a game for a system - even before I had the system. And I've done that on more than one occasion!

Well here's what I know about the 360 ("Launch"(?)) games - so far:

One of the reasons the Xbox 360 seems poised for success is that developer support is very strong. Microsoft's Peter Moore noted that about 4,000 developer kits for the new console have already been distributed. While many developers, especially Japanese ones, were skeptical of the Xbox when it arrived in 2001, most of the naysayers eventually came on board. The one key thing about the industry now is that the days of seeing the sorts of exclusive deals that helped Nintendo rule the roost back in the day are probably gone for good. The fact that a company like Rockstar would convert its Grand Theft Auto games over to the Xbox speaks to how Microsoft made believers among the development community.

The nature of the video game business for publishers is to reach as many people as possible. Consoles with user bases in the millions can't be ignored. There's been enough excitement in the development community over the current Xbox hardware and the potential of Xbox Live that making the leap to the 360 right now makes smart business sense. The powerful hardware, which MS has made no secret it's aiming to make as developer-friendly as possible, will have a very powerful draw on developers, who are always hungry for more muscle to realize their visions.

This has ensured a healthy amount of support in the US, but, based on all the announcements that have been made in the months leading up to E3, it appears MS has managed to entice the Japanese development community as well. With support from heavy hitters such as ex-Square motherbrain Hironobu Sakaguchi, who is now with Mistwalker, and ex-Sega visionary Tetsuya Mizuguchi, the 360 is poised to have unique content that should have a strong appeal to the Japanese market and, by default, the US one. By signing developers of that caliber and by retaining close ties with Tecmo's amazing Team Ninja, all signs point to the 360 software library having some great content. This is ultimately all coming about because Microsoft has shown it "gets" what's needed to be a success in the console space and that confidence is picked up on by developers who are eager to throw down with someone who's hungry to make a mark in the industry.

Here are some games that have been announced or are known to be in development on the Xbox 360.

01) Alan Wake (Developer: Remedy; Publisher: n/a)
02) Blue Dragon (Developer: Mistwalker; Publisher: n/a)
03) Call of Duty 2 (Developer: Infinity Ward; Publisher: Activision)
04) Condemned (Developer: Monolith; Publisher: Sega)
05) Dark Sector (Developer: Digital Extremes; Publisher: n/a)
06) The Darkness (Developer: Starbreeze Studios.; Publisher: Majesco Games)
07) Demonik (Developer: Terminal Reality; Publisher: Majesco Games)
08) Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (Developer: Bethesda Softworks; Publisher: 2K Games)
09) Full Auto (Developer: Sega; Publisher: Sega)
10) Gears of War (Developer: Epic Games; Publisher: MS Game Studios)
11) Ghost Recon 3 (Developer: Ubisoft; Publisher: Ubisoft)
12) Kameo: Elements of Power (Developer: Rare, Ltd.; Publisher: Microsoft Game Studios)
13) Madden NFL 06 (Developer: EA Tiburon; Publisher: EA Sports)
14) NBA 2K6 (Developer: Visual Concepts; Publisher: 2K Sports)
15) Need for Speed Most Wanted (Developer: Electronic Arts; Publisher: Electronic Arts)
16) Perfect Dark Zero (Developer: Rare, Ltd.; Publisher: MS Game Studios)
17) Project Gotham Racing 3 (Developer: MS Game Studios; Publisher: Bizarre Creations)
18) Quake 4 (Developer: Raven Software; Publisher: Activision)
19) Saint's Row (Developer: THQ; Publisher: THQ)
20) Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06 (Developer: EA Sports; Publisher: EA Sports)
21) Tomb Raider: Legend (Developer: Crystal Dynamics; Publisher: Eidos Interactive)
22) Tony Hawk's American Wasteland (Developer: Neversoft; Publisher: Activision)
23) 2 Days to Vegas (Developer: Steel Monkeys; Publisher: n/a)

<a href=http://www.gamespot.com/features/6124293/p-4.html>Taken from the GameSpot article "Xbox 360: Inside & Out"</a>

Plus...

23) Ninety-Nine Nights (Developers:Q Entertainment and Phantagram; Publisher: n/a)
24) Frame City Killer (Developer: Namco Hometek; Publsiher: Namco Hometek)
25) Test Drive Unlimited (Developer: Eden Studios; Publisher: Atari)
26) Possesion (Developer: Bltz Games; Publisher: n/a)
27) as yet untitled Okamoto party-game (Developer: Game Republic; Publisher: n/a)
28) as yet untitled Okamoto action-game (Developer: Game Republic; Publisher: n/a)
29) Lost Oddysee (Developer: Mistwalker; Publisher: Microsoft)
30) Unreal Tournament 2007 (Developer: Epic Games; Publisher: Midway)
31) [eM] -eNCHANT arM (Developer: From Software; Publisher: n/a)

And the list keeps growing! I gotta stop there - because I gotta stop sometime! Everytime I go back to check the ezines I see they added a new article about a new title being announced or revealed!

There is no doubt in my mind that the 360 Launch Lineup will be the biggest ever!
Now whether it's any good or not... ;)

This would be reason for celebration --- until you realize that 95% of the games on the 1st list are also going to be available for the PS3! :rolleyes: And a good many for the Revolution as well. And since the PS3 will be more powerful and launching later, this could hurt M$ in the long run. Then add the fact that several analysts seem to agree that most people are intent on waiting until all three consoles (mainly PS3) are launched.

[Mochan]

Glockstar, one thing I would like to point out is that the list you posted is a list of titles announced for Xbox360, they won't necessarily be launch titles. Oblivion, for starters, is not likely to be a launch title. Though I'm a bit surprised to see 2K games as a publisher for TES4, I always thought Bethesda was self-publishing the game.

Anyway having Mistwalker and other Jap software companies sign up with MS is making me start considering the XBox360 as a prime choice. I will still mostly like get a PS3 at some time, though, unless Banpresto, Bandai, Namco, Capcom, Konami etc. sign up with MS as well.

At this point, the XBox360 will no longer just be the PC's little brother, but a mighty fine gaming console in its own right. I've been hoping for a Deception IV and hoping it wouldn't be an XBox exclusive for a LONG time, and if I switch to XBox I probably won't have to worry about this.


BUT... I have to say I want to punch Moore in the face. Episodic content and paid-for downloadable content? Don't turn consoles into ****ing PCs man!!!! Moving down that road will open a huge can of worms for games and gamers. Before long we'll be seeing buggy releases that need loads of patches, and policed mod downloads. Games will get shorter as they are released "per episode" (probably like how Guildwars is right now). For the record, this episodic content was introduced before with some adventure games in the past, and the concept blew. I forgot the name of the games that tried it.

I don't want chopped up segments. I want to buy an entire game, and I want it all in a nice box. If things will be "episodic" at least each episode should be as long as a full game (like, say, Xenosaga) but this PR line stinks of shorter games.

Well nevertheless, I'm still not getting the XBox360 until I see what's on the table (and not "what's going to be on the table") and this will be for all three systems concerned. I'm going to wait to see the options first.

[Gadfly2317]

This would be reason for celebration --- until you realize that 95% of the games on the 1st list are also going to be available for the PS3! :rolleyes: And a good many for the Revolution as well. And since the PS3 will be more powerful and launching later, this could hurt M$ in the long run. Then add the fact that several analysts seem to agree that most people are intent on waiting until all three consoles (mainly PS3) are launched.

Not to mention that most of the list is entirely uninspiring--I realize Xbox itself already disposed me to be biased against the Xbox2, but seriously, I'm not entirely closed minded, but the more info that comes out, the less appealing the Xbox 1.5 becomes. That list actually made me feel a great yawning boredom about not just Xbox2, but next gen gaming in general(though I'm curious about three titles on the list I hadn't heard any details about, so I don't even know what kind of games they are: 99 Nights, Frame City Killer, and 2 Days til Vegas.) I expect game unveilings on Ps3 and Revolution to enveil something really original or E3 will be one great big yawn this year for me.

That Xbox 1.5 games list looked like unimaginitve genre crap--though as far as horror games go, Condemned looks pretty cool, but hardly a reason to pick up an Xbox, and its going to be on Ps3 anyway. As each generation comes, I feel more and more jaded towards games I've already played. I am NOT playing another Tony Hawk or Tigerwoods games.

And I will not buy another Gran Turismo or Metal Gear game. I'm not ruling out ALL sequels, as some can add as much new and original content as an actual new game, but any sequel better exist for a good reason and not just for the sake of name recognition.

Feel much the same about Nintendo, for the most part (I wouldn't mind online sequeols to Pikmin and Animal Crossing since they've barely scratched the surface of what could be done with the gameplay. ) But the ONLY thing that will make me get Mario Kart is if its online, since Rev supports wi-fi out of box and I'll have wi-fi in a couple months. So yeah, I'm speaking to Nintendo to. . . it doesn't bother me to have their characters starring in new games, but I will not buy Mario Party 10 And even though I'm looking forward to the next Zelda for the horseback based combat I even starting to get Zelda'd out, and if they do another Mario Platformer, it had damned well better reinvent the genre again. That's probably the best thing for Nintendo about skipping online this gen. . . it gives them one more wrinkle to do to games like Super Smash Brothers next time around. SSBM had so much replay offline; I'm afraid an online version of it and Mario Kart, and Nintendo fans would never be motivated to buy any other games.

[Glockstar]

This would be reason for celebration --- until you realize that 95% of the games on the 1st list are also going to be available for the PS3!

Oh really?

And a good many for the Revolution as well.

Really?!

And since the PS3 will be more powerful and launching later...

Oh hey, you got one thing right: The PS3 is launching later.

And that's just about all anyone knows about it! We certainly don't know anything about the games that will be available for it. Just like we don't about the Revolutions'. (Though we can all make pretty good guesses.)

Is this the same kind of reporting we'll see in your E3 posts. Great; looking forward to them. :rolleyes:

[slade]

Ninety Nine Nights from what I've read of it looks to be a Dynasty Warriors type game but with thousands of enemies.

[Glockstar]

Glockstar, one thing I would like to point out is that the list you posted is a list of titles announced for Xbox360, they won't necessarily be launch titles. ...

Oh I know. And I even said as much. Don't know if you already know this, but the industry considers a systems Launch to be longer than just one day. I think they consider the whole first three months to be the Launch Period. (Hey, it's not my rules, or my definition.)

So, when you rememeber that and then take into account what Peter Moore said, "We'll launch 25-30 games until the new year", I think you'll admit that we're, possibly, looking at one heck of a Launch!

I'm saying that. And I'm usually pessimistic about such things. In fact, I am right now. "25-30"...? My money's on the under.

And I look at that list I created with the same pessimism. Because I know - just in that list right there - there's a Brute Force and a Starcraft Ghost and a Kameo and a True Fantasy.

But still, even with such "pessimism" and such guarded expectations, I am one hundred percent confident that the 360 Launch will be the biggest ever.

Anyway having Mistwalker and other Jap software companies sign up with MS is making me start considering the XBox360 as a prime choice. I will still mostly like get a PS3 at some time, though, unless Banpresto, Bandai, Namco, Capcom, Konami etc. sign up with MS as well.

Uh... you didn't know that those companies have already signed up with MS and are working on games for the 360 as we speak? Oh. Guess you do now, eh? :)

But, again, whether they're going to make games like what you want is another question. You know? Could be stuff like Digimon, Breakdown, Dino Crisis, and Air Force Delta Storm not like dot Hack, Tales of Symphonia, Devil May Cry, or Zone of the Enders (...I don't know... just guessing(?)) Guess we'll find out in a couple of weeks. (But probably not from Zilla Man.)

Oh yeah... you hear about the upcoming Bandai/Namco merger?
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/02/news_6123385.html

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

From a brief MS blurb advert on the game, it should have single player, but MS being MS, they've only showed mp shots and boring ones at that. I have no faith in Rare at this point. They deliver visuals but it takes them forever and sorry, but the gameplay of recent Rare offerings has either sucked or been fairly uninspired.

No Halo to prop up 360 is going to make it a much tougher launch than what a lot of people expect and PDZ isn't going to cut it.

I think what made the PD0 shots worse from the MTV show is the fact that they kept showing Fez and Omarion playing the game, instead of showing the ACTUAL game. That was a big screw up, IMO. I was hoping to see the game in either 1st or 3rd person view (like Advent Rising), but I doubt that will happen.

As far as a new Halo, I'm sure Bungie will try to release one around the time the PS3 comes out. That makes for a good marketing strategy, that is if PD0 can "hold the fort" until then.


BUT... I have to say I want to punch Moore in the face. Episodic content and paid-for downloadable content? Don't turn consoles into ****ing PCs man!!!! Moving down that road will open a huge can of worms for games and gamers. Before long we'll be seeing buggy releases that need loads of patches, and policed mod downloads. Games will get shorter as they are released "per episode" (probably like how Guildwars is right now). For the record, this episodic content was introduced before with some adventure games in the past, and the concept blew. I forgot the name of the games that tried it.

I don't want chopped up segments. I want to buy an entire game, and I want it all in a nice box. If things will be "episodic" at least each episode should be as long as a full game (like, say, Xenosaga) but this PR line stinks of shorter games.


I don't think Episodic content will work. It's one thing to have extra multiplayer maps to purchase, but I don't want any part of the main game episodic, especially if I'm going to be paying a lot for it. I also don''t care for devs to be working on extra stuff for the same game they released a year ago. I'd rather have them working on some new games instead.

I already feel that MS wants to make their console a bit too PC-ish, but if they go too far in that direction, I may end up becoming a Nintendo fan. If I want to play a PC, I'll play a PC. Don't try and turn my console into one.

[Gadfly2317]

So, when you rememeber that and then take into account what Peter Moore said, "We'll launch 25-30 games until the new year", I think you'll admit that we're, possibly, looking at one heck of a Launch!

I'm saying that. And I'm usually pessimistic about such things. In fact, I am right now. "25-30"...? My money's on the under.

And I look at that list I created with the same pessimism. Because I know - just in that list right there - there's a Brute Force and a Starcraft Ghost and a Kameo and a True Fantasy.

But still, even with such "pessimism" and such guarded expectations, I am one hundred percent confident that the 360 Launch will be the biggest ever.

OK, you're 100% confident it will be the biggest launch ever. So of those launch titles, which title or titles really makes you salivate for the system? Even if ALL those games come out in the first 3 months, it looks like a list of current generation games. . . which is the sole reason why there's as many titles as there are. Most of those games could be released on the Xbox, developers just pushed them to the new system because being first to the new system means fewer games to compete against to start.

The other two companies, having no info, I don't know yet if they'll have 1 or two titles that are just really great must-play games. Xbox has Zero games in its announced launch line-up that would make me pay 300 to 400 plus 50 for the game, especially with the likely lack of b/c.

I've never seen a better system to sit back and wait and see what the competitors bring to the table, wait for better games, wait for the price drop.

"One heck of a launch?" I think the Xbox 1 had a more enticing launch. . .it came within a hare of being the first system I picked up that gen (even though some of the things that sounded so cool on it, like that Chariot Racing game, turned out to not be so cool as I at first thought.)

[Zilla Man]

Oh really?
Is this the same kind of reporting we'll see in your E3 posts. Great; looking forward to them. :rolleyes:

A majority of those games ARE in development for PS3. I just report what I know and what my 3rd party buds tell me.

Sorry if that rattles ya, Glocky. :rolleyes:

[Zilla Man]

OK, you're 100% confident it will be the biggest launch ever. So of those launch titles, which title or titles really makes you salivate for the system? Even if ALL those games come out in the first 3 months, it looks like a list of current generation games. . . which is the sole reason why there's as many titles as there are. Most of those games could be released on the Xbox, developers just pushed them to the new system because being first to the new system means fewer games to compete against to start.

Yup. Even my developer friends are saying that.

I'm pretty sure that E3 will confirm this.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

OK, you're 100% confident it will be the biggest launch ever. So of those launch titles, which title or titles really makes you salivate for the system? Even if ALL those games come out in the first 3 months, it looks like a list of current generation games. . . which is the sole reason why there's as many titles as there are. Most of those games could be released on the Xbox, developers just pushed them to the new system because being first to the new system means fewer games to compete against to start.

The other two companies, having no info, I don't know yet if they'll have 1 or two titles that are just really great must-play games. Xbox has Zero games in its announced launch line-up that would make me pay 300 to 400 plus 50 for the game, especially with the likely lack of b/c.

I've never seen a better system to sit back and wait and see what the competitors bring to the table, wait for better games, wait for the price drop.

"One heck of a launch?" I think the Xbox 1 had a more enticing launch. . .it came within a hare of being the first system I picked up that gen (even though some of the things that sounded so cool on it, like that Chariot Racing game, turned out to not be so cool as I at first thought.)

Guess there's not enough booty bump action for you.It's funny how you know ALL the games could be released on Xbox. Guess you're waiting to be swinging your GC controller around "WOOSH WISH SWASH hhhh hhh hhhh now that's innovative!"

In all honestly though I'm more intereseted in the console and features than any of the games. Gears of War looks sweet and definately next though. Plus the animation for NBA 2k6 is sick.

[Zilla Man]

Guess there's not enough booty bump action for you.It's funny how you know ALL the games could be released on Xbox. Guess you're waiting to be swinging your GC controller around "WOOSH WISH SWASH hhhh hhh hhhh now that's innovative!"

Way to not read the thread, Einstein. :rolleyes:

We're talking about LAUNCH titles here. Sheesh!

[Glockstar]

A majority of those games ARE in development for PS3. I just report what I know and what my 3rd party buds tell me.

Oh, now we're down to "a majority". What happened to 95%? :rolleyes:

And yeah, I know you just report what your buddies tell you. That's all you do. You probabaly do everything they tell you to do too. 'Hey ZM, wash my car. Hey ZM, clean the pool. Hey ZM, mow the lawn. Hey ZM, give us a ride to E3. And if you do all that real good ZM, we'll see about getting you in. Now take these empties to the recycler'. Haw!

That's some hobby you got there. :rolleyes:

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Way to not read the thread, Einstein.

We're talking about LAUNCH titles here. Sheesh!

Yeah, you're some kind of Einstein yourself aren't you? You want to try following along and staying on topic. We're talking about videogames here, you know? You remember those, yes? Didn't you used to play them? Or was that just your buddies as well?

You've been asked a question! Are you getting getting a 360 on Release Day; are you getting one at all? You gonna answer or not?

[Ritchie Nolasco]

YES YES YES!

Not only will I buy the Xbox 360 on launch day, I will be spending BIG!

What I did in 2001 with the old Xbox launch, I plan to repeat it again. My budget for Xbox 360, its games and peripherals will be at least $1,000!

That's my master plan!

[Mochan]

I don't even know what kind of games they are: 99 Nights, Frame City Killer, and 2 Days til Vegas.)

I don't know about the other 2 but Frame City Killer I think is a Jap RPG about a guy who was sentenced to live 1000 years, and you play him throughout this time and seem him move through the generations. Sounds pretty interesting actually.

[Zilla Man]

Oh, now we're down to "a majority". What happened to 95%? :rolleyes:

And yeah, I know you just report what your buddies tell you. That's all you do. You probabaly do everything they tell you to do too. 'Hey ZM, wash my car. Hey ZM, clean the pool. Hey ZM, mow the lawn. Hey ZM, give us a ride to E3. And if you do all that real good ZM, we'll see about getting you in. Now take these empties to the recycler'. Haw!

That's some hobby you got there. :rolleyes:

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Yeah, you're some kind of Einstein yourself aren't you? You want to try following along and staying on topic. We're talking about videogames here, you know? You remember those, yes? Didn't you used to play them? Or was that just your buddies as well?

You've been asked a question! Are you getting getting a 360 on Release Day; are you getting one at all? You gonna answer or not?

Uh...last time I checked, Glocky, 95% of anything was a majority. :rolleyes: Haw!

It's amazing how when I reported negative things in the industry about Nintendo you Xbots find it hilarious, but when I hear similar things about M$, you guys get all hissy. :rolleyes:

As for getting a 360 on launch day -- "no".

[Zilla Man]

And yeah, I know you just report what your buddies tell you. That's all you do. You probabaly do everything they tell you to do too. 'Hey ZM, wash my car. Hey ZM, clean the pool. Hey ZM, mow the lawn. Hey ZM, give us a ride to E3. And if you do all that real good ZM, we'll see about getting you in. Now take these empties to the recycler'. Haw!

That's some hobby you got there. :rolleyes:

Ah, envy and insecurity finally rear their ugly heads. Thanks for the overwhelming concern over my personal life, Clucky, but I've been attending E3 since it's inception in '95. That's where I met most of my connections.

I love it; you accuse me of derailing the thread right after you launch into a paragraph of personal insults.Good ole' Xbot hypocrisy at its finest!

What's next, reporting me to the mods if some of my E3 info is a little off? :rolleyes:

Since my "hobby" seems to annoy you so much this year (i.e. I'm not hyping the Xbox 360 enough for you), you're more than welcome to skip my E3 thread this year. Better yet, why not put me on your Ignore list? That way I don't have to feel responsible for you having a panic attack because I posted some slightly negative info about M$. And as an added bonus, the other VGR members who want to participate can do so without worrying about you cluttering up the thread with useless diatribe.

[Gadfly2317]

"Cluckstar". . . .good one!

Back to "buying on launch day". . . .Seems like the nice thing about waiting, besides seeing what the other systems are going to do as far as systems, price, games, and innovation. . . .is that since Xbox is supposed to continue getting games through the end of 2006 (Didn't MS claim 70 games?). . .if you wait to get Xbox 360 until 2006 you'll probably see it pull a price drop right before the Ps3 drop, and there'll be a number of used and reduced price games for it. Plus holiday '06 there will no doubt be another "Halo" walk-around-and-shoot-stuff-in-first-person-perspective kinda game that xboxs fans so cherish for the newness and originality of it all.

I just can't see spending 300-400 for a system on day 1 with as bland a software lineup as that and no backward compatibility. I guess its even less about the money than about a game you REALLY want to play. Is there ANY launch title that if it were coming to Xbox you'd HAVE to buy? Even if money's no issue, I'd still just wait to buy until a game I really had to play came out and save a few bucks.

I haven't yet heard an Xbot mention which of those 25 first-year titles they are just dying to get their hands on. That PC game, the new Elder Scrolls, looks pretty cool, but again, even if you don't prefer gaming at your PC, if that was one I was dying to play, I wouldn't buy a whole new system for it when I could just make an exception and play it on my PC.

[Mochan]

It's all about the Elder Scrolls. I'd get the Xbox 360 on day 1 if it meant I could play Oblivion. Over at the Elder Scrolls forums we keep saying that we'll buy an XBox 360 as soon as it comes out if Oblivion is a day 1 launch title and is not yet released on the PC.

But, for $300-$400 I could just upgrade my PC to play Oblivion flawlessly. That way, I could also use it to play Stalker, Boiling Point, Black and White 2, Unreal 3 and Unreal Tournament 2007.

[Gadfly2317]

It's all about the Elder Scrolls. I'd get the Xbox 360 on day 1 if it meant I could play Oblivion. Over at the Elder Scrolls forums we keep saying that we'll buy an XBox 360 as soon as it comes out if Oblivion is a day 1 launch title and is not yet released on the PC.

But, for $300-$400 I could just upgrade my PC to play Oblivion flawlessly. That way, I could also use it to play Stalker, Boiling Point, Black and White 2, Unreal 3 and Unreal Tournament 2007.

Is Elder Scrolls expected to come out Day 1 launch, but later on PC? I assumed it would be out on PC first or at most the same time.

There's starting to be very little, because of how many games I already have but haven't played yet, that I MUST get on day 1; if you are wanting to play all those other PC games anyway, spending a little upgrade seems like the way to go.

For a cheapskate or someone looking to have just one console next gen and doesn't mind waiting, Elder Scrolls will be on Ps3, too. I was not interested in Ps2 at the beginning of last generation, but with it being up to par technologically this time around, massive support from japanese developers which I prefer, but also featuring western PC stuff like Elderscrolls. . . and they also appear to be ripping off the ideas that make Live such a good service, it just makes Xbox2 look like a waste of time to me.

Revolution I haven't made up my mind about if/when because there just isn't enough info yet. I haven't seen any game-title announcement for any next-gen system that makes me go "I HAVE to play that game." Whichever system gets two or three titles like that, that's the one I'll buy first (even if its that damned Xbox.) Last gen there were 3 titles shown for GC that switched me (pikmin, AC and Eternal Darkness.) Can't wait until E3 to see if someone can present 3 original titles so compelling and original that I can finally feel some enthusiasm for next-gen, because so far I just don't.

I still haven't seen one compelling reason anyone has presented yet, from either software or hardware point of view, on why they want on Xbox 1.5, on launch day or any other day for that matter.

When I really want something badly, I have no problem explaining why I want it. . .but no one really seems to be expressing actually enthusiasm for Xbox2 or what they'll be doing on it that they can't already do. MIcro-transactions?

Even as much as I'm leaning towards Ps3 I'm not sold on it, its just that if at as far as next gen consoles, as far as getting the same stuff with better graphics, the Ps3 will have most of the Xbox library plus a TON of stuff the Xbox won't. I have every reason to believe, based on this generation's performance, that all the interesting non-genre games will be on Ps3, aside from the couple of new first party things Nintendo might come up with.

[Mochan]

The truth is nobody but Bethesda and maybe Microsoft knows right now whether Oblivion comes out on XBox or PC first, or if it will be an XBox launch title. The devs at Bethsoft are very tight-lipped about it. I get to talk to the devs on the TES forums and they won't even so much as give us a release date or sys requirements.

Chances are it will still come out on the PC first. Historically speaking, Morrowind came out on the PC first and was later ported to the XBox. There are 2 main reasons for this: 1.) TES is a PC franchise, not a console franchise, and more importantly, 2.) the intial release was chockfull of bugs, and this obviously would not be desirable on consoles since it can't be properly patched (or at least it wouldn't be as convenient as you would then have to copy stuff to the harddisk - introduction of harddisk and online service opens up new possibilities for consoles... and headaches. I for one do not want to see console games starting to require patches to run properly, a bad habit of stupid American PC devs who took it for granted and made it a matter of fact).

So in the case of Oblivion, it makes sense to release it first on the PC, so that any bugs can still be found and patched before being finalized on the XBox360 and other consoles.

It's hard to call it a PC franchise now, though, since I think the XBox version sold more than all 3 Elder Scrolls games combined.

[theWacoKid]

Ah, envy and insecurity finally rear their ugly heads. Thanks for the overwhelming concern over my personal life, Clucky, but I've been attending E3 since it's inception in '95. That's where I met most of my connections.

I love it; you accuse me of derailing the thread right after you launch into a paragraph of personal insults.Good ole' Xbot hypocrisy at its finest!

What's next, reporting me to the mods if some of my E3 info is a little off? :rolleyes:

Since my "hobby" seems to annoy you so much this year (i.e. I'm not hyping the Xbox 360 enough for you), you're more than welcome to skip my E3 thread this year. Better yet, why not put me on your Ignore list? That way I don't have to feel responsible for you having a panic attack because I posted some slightly negative info about M$. And as an added bonus, the other VGR members who want to participate can do so without worrying about you cluttering up the thread with useless diatribe.

We need E3 info and impressions from developers. I'm also curious as to how attendees are going to react to MS axing the xbox. Tomorrow are keynotes from sony and ms, then tuesday nintendo. I just hope Kaz leaves his powerpoint slides at home.

[Jupiter_x]

YES YES YES!

Not only will I buy the Xbox 360 on launch day, I will be spending BIG!

What I did in 2001 with the old Xbox launch, I plan to repeat it again. My budget for Xbox 360, its games and peripherals will be at least $1,000!

That's my master plan!


HEY! That is exactly what I am doing too Ritchie! Yet I will be buying PS3....Not 360! :D

[Zilla Man]

We need E3 info and impressions from developers. I'm also curious as to how attendees are going to react to MS axing the xbox. Tomorrow are keynotes from sony and ms, then tuesday nintendo. I just hope Kaz leaves his powerpoint slides at home.

You got it, Waco. ;)

Look for my Pre-E3 post soon.