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Darwin

08-22-2003, 10:20 PM

I usually don't ask stuff like this, and it's not because I dislike your pic ... I mean, looking at roadkill just whets my appetite... and I do have broadband so uploading is not the problem ...

But, your pic in your sig is very long and artificially extends the length of thread much longer than it should be. I.e. we could see a lot more replies per screen if we didn't have to scroll down your rather long pic. I'm just asking you to consider getting rid of it .. you know, after you've used it for a few days. It's up to you, but do you see my point?

And how the heck do I stop my posts from being auto-centered. Guess I'm gonna have to read the site FAQ.

stevedperkins

08-22-2003, 10:36 PM

<div class=\"smallfont\">I have deleted the beginnings of stupid posts. There's no need to bother posting flaming junk.</div>
HUH?!? I don't understand why everyone on this site "gets" System Wars EXCEPT the people that run the site, nor do I understand why they are bound and determined to kill the forum that has been responsible for the overwhelming majority of traffic on the VGR board. Here's a clue for you folks, on the house... if you suceed in shutting down the culture of System Wars, you will suceed in more or less shutting down the boards altogether.

Never before have I seen website operators so blatantly ASHAMED of their own very sucessful site! If you think System Wars is "stupid", what in the world do you call the worthless retarded fanboy crap that makes up the remaining 5% of non-System Wars posts?!? This is the prime reason that trying to mix System Wars in with "general discussion" is so insane, the two target audiences simply DO NOT MIX. Everyone sees this except those who can do something about it!

Maybe you guys are making a concious effort to "nice up" the boards in order to attract more advertisers. However, such a goal will backfire in a major way if such efforts result in driving down the volume of participation. It's a give-and-take. If you want total control over the content on this site, hire writers and produce your own original content. If you want to depend on viewers to provide your site's content for you free-of-charge, you have to yield to them enough to create an environment in which they want to provide content.

Pretty much every non-admin who has voiced an opinion on the matter has agreed unanimously that System Wars needs its own dedicated forum again. Can we please hurry up and get past this "we'll think about it" nonsense, crap or get off the pot, and either fire back up a System Wars forum or wish us well somewhere else?

Glockstar

08-23-2003, 01:32 AM

Tough stuff, perkins.

And lest ye have any doubts... I agree, one-hunnert percent.

System Wars was... an incredible board. I mean it.
I would, actually, rather disagree with the likes of Gadfly and shogun (and even trebor :p ) than agree with "my friends" Darwin, TMP, and massimodo. Why? Because I, personally, used the board as an educational tool.

Yeah, I often got nowhere (as was often the case w. trebor), but every once in a while I would actually find some commonality with my "opponents" that would help break down some misconceptions, and lead to new discoveries. Yet it must be realized, that none of this would have happened if it would not have been fun to do so.

Which is the biggest problem caused by the elimination of the SW. It is a graven mistake, of the administrators here, to underestimate the draw/attraction of conflict or competition.

There are some people that would actually say that conflict/competition brings out the best in people. I don't know about that, but I do know that 90% of the posters on the old SW agreed to disagree. Think about that.

Renzatic Gear

08-23-2003, 01:52 AM

Gonna take a wild guess here and say that ole Steve has got to be either GF78 or Massimodo, I felt the hate and anger.

Anyway, System Wars is a good idea. Despite all the flames and personal attacks its all in good fun. Sorta like when you make fun of your friends after they do something stupid....well, maybe I just do that, but anyway...it's all in good fun. Like Glockstar said, it's actually a great board to get valid opinions and information from, you just gotta filter it a bit.

So in comemeration of the old system wars boards, and as a protest to bring them back, I'm gonna go out of my way to piss off Stevedperkins and post up a bunch of animated gifs, one really gross pic, AND my signature.

http://users.chartertn.net/greymatt/roxor.gif http://users.chartertn.net/greymatt/cointoss.gif http://users.chartertn.net/greymatt/nakid.gif http://users.chartertn.net/greymatt/toothy.gif http://users.chartertn.net/greymatt/slap.gif

Really cool and gross picture of a brown recluse bite, not for the squeemish (http://users.chartertn.net/greymatt/brownrecluse_day10.jpg)

and BAM! My signature.

slade

08-23-2003, 07:11 AM

You feelin' those anger vibes too, huh Renz. :)

Personally, I don't know why people have a problem with this. System Wars, General Discussions and the X-box forum were the most popular boards on the old site. It makes sense to lump GD and System Wars together. And what's with this culture b.s? Most of the posters that posted on the GD boards posted on System Wars as well. Everybody was from one site.

Lara

08-23-2003, 07:34 AM

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HUH?!? I don't understand why everyone on this site "gets" System Wars EXCEPT the people that run the site, nor do I understand why they are bound and determined to kill the forum that has been responsible for the overwhelming majority of traffic on the VGR board. Here's a clue for you folks, on the house... if you suceed in shutting down the culture of System Wars, you will suceed in more or less shutting down the boards altogether.

Never before have I seen website operators so blatantly ASHAMED of their own very sucessful site! If you think System Wars is "stupid", what in the world do you call the worthless retarded fanboy crap that makes up the remaining 5% of non-System Wars posts?!? This is the prime reason that trying to mix System Wars in with "general discussion" is so insane, the two target audiences simply DO NOT MIX. Everyone sees this except those who can do something about it!

Maybe you guys are making a concious effort to "nice up" the boards in order to attract more advertisers. However, such a goal will backfire in a major way if such efforts result in driving down the volume of participation. It's a give-and-take. If you want total control over the content on this site, hire writers and produce your own original content. If you want to depend on viewers to provide your site's content for you free-of-charge, you have to yield to them enough to create an environment in which they want to provide content.

Pretty much every non-admin who has voiced an opinion on the matter has agreed unanimously that System Wars needs its own dedicated forum again. Can we please hurry up and get past this "we'll think about it" nonsense, crap or get off the pot, and either fire back up a System Wars forum or wish us well somewhere else?</div>

You neglected to mention in quoting me that I delete those posts for bad language. That was the only reason they were deleted. So please don't make assumptions that I don't "get" system wars.

stevedperkins

08-23-2003, 08:36 AM

<div class=\"smallfont\">Personally, I don't know why people have a problem with this. System Wars, General Discussions and the X-box forum were the most popular boards on the old site. It makes sense to lump GD and System Wars together. And what's with this culture b.s? Most of the posters that posted on the GD boards posted on System Wars as well. Everybody was from one site.</div>
Not trying to be angry or hateful, but you want to try thinking things through before posting? Rap and country are the two most popular forms of music in America... would it "make sense to lump them together" and have Snopp Dogg put on concerts with Garth Brooks? No? Why not? What do you mean with this "culture" B.S.? Everybody is just a music fan.

Just lump whatever is popular together. Sheesh, by that logic why have separate forums at all? For that matter, why have a VGR board at all... The Sopranos are popular, we could just merge with one of their discussion boards.

stevedperkins

08-23-2003, 09:03 AM

Gonna take a wild guess here and say that ole Steve has got to be either GF78 or Massimodo, I felt the hate and anger.
Actually I'm neither... I just recently got back into console gaming after several years of not having anything to do with it. One day at lunch, some guys from work were arguing over one's XBox and the other's GameCube (funny how there are tons more PS2 owners and yet none who seem to really care). Their argument was entertaining as hell, later that day I did some sniffing around the Internet and found the System Wars VGR forum. Shortly thereafter I picked up a Cube, and now I'm hooked again... this was only a couple months ago. When I then learned that the 'reason I got back into gaming' was being dismantled for apparently no reason whatsoever, I got a little pissed off and started posting rather than lurking.

Ironically, I'm not angry or hateful in real life... I'm a pretty happy-go-lucky goofball. I know that it sometimes comes across that way on the Internet, though. In discussion boards, I usually a man of few words unless I'm upset about something... so a disproportionate number of my words seem to be about being upset. Don't believe the hype!

So in comemeration of the old system wars boards, and as a protest to bring them back, I'm gonna go out of my way to piss off Stevedperkins and post up a bunch of animated gifs, one really gross pic, AND my signature.
No dice, brah. Yesterday I found the "Control Panel" option under "My Profile", and turned off ALL avatars and graphic attachments. All I see is nice clean text. My opinion of this new board system improved about one-thousand percent after I found the Control Panel thing. In addition to blocking graphics, you can set the message threading style to something that almost as good as the old board system. I'm still personally not a big fan of the switch (this new system doesn't have any features *I* care about), but as soon as they turn System Wars back on I'll be more than content with it.

slade

08-23-2003, 09:12 AM

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Not trying to be angry or hateful, but you want to try thinking things through before posting? Rap and country are the two most popular forms of music in America... would it "make sense to lump them together" and have Snopp Dogg put on concerts with Garth Brooks? No? Why not? What do you mean with this "culture" B.S.? Everybody is just a music fan.

Just lump whatever is popular together. Sheesh, by that logic why have separate forums at all? For that matter, why have a VGR board at all... The Sopranos are popular, we could just merge with one of their discussion boards.</div>

Yeah, I wish I could bring gross generalization to a thread as well as you do.

Darwin

08-23-2003, 10:08 AM

As you can see, we are still arguing and carrying on much as we did in the old System Wars.

Slade brings up a good point. I mean, just because the name "System Wars" is not on the top of the message board, doesn't mean we can't banter back and forth like we used to.

Would a rose by any other name still be a rose? Or something like that.

Tappy_Tibbons

08-23-2003, 11:06 AM

<div class=\"smallfont\">I usually don't ask stuff like this, and it's not because I dislike your pic ... I mean, looking at roadkill just whets my appetite... and I do have broadband so uploading is not the problem ...

But, your pic in your sig is very long and artificially extends the length of thread much longer than it should be. I.e. we could see a lot more replies per screen if we didn't have to scroll down your rather long pic. I'm just asking you to consider getting rid of it .. you know, after you've used it for a few days. It's up to you, but do you see my point?

And how the heck do I stop my posts from being auto-centered. Guess I'm gonna have to read the site FAQ.</div>

Darwin, I am a member of approx. 5 forums that use this same VB template and some of the boards I go to have pics in sig that are twice as big as mine. I pity the 56ker but the 56ker needs to evolve and I will not be hindered by the 56ker, especially when there is options to turn off sigs and avatars. I'd never recieved any complaints from any other boards where I had a big pic but I respectully recieve your comment and will consider finding something else maybe when I get out of my RTCW phaze. But as of right now, that's all I'm playing. The 99 char limit kind of sucks, I'm at the limit right now actually with mine. It wouldn't bother me to see you or anyone with huge pics of roadkill or whatever else their sick minds may come up with as long as it weren't offensive.

stevedperkins

08-23-2003, 12:15 PM

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Yeah, I wish I could bring gross generalization to a thread as well as you do.
Actually if you follow what I'm saying, generalization is exactly what I'm arguing against.

slade

08-23-2003, 01:03 PM

<div class=\"smallfont\">Actually if you follow what I'm saying, generalization is exactly what I'm arguing against.</div>

IMO, it doesn't matter that there isn't a forum named System Wars. If the old membership all makes it across to the new board, we can keep the status quo. As for Lara erasing that post, popular swear words weren't exactly allowed on the old boards either.

stevedperkins

08-23-2003, 01:57 PM

IMO, it doesn't matter that there isn't a forum named System Wars. If the old membership all makes it across to the new board, we can keep the status quo.
I completely disagree, and don't think that either of us will be able to change the other's mind. However, that's really kind of the point.

As for Lara erasing that post, popular swear words weren't exactly allowed on the old boards either.

I never even saw the post that got deleted. Maybe you could make the argument that it's unnecessary to delete posts when you could instead just asterisk-out swear words. However, you could just as well make the argument that anybody too stupid to asterisk-out their own swear words themselves is too stupid to have any business posting. I don't really care about that issue much one way or the other. My reaction was just to the statement about "we don't need any stupid flaming here". Yes, we DO.

Darwin

08-23-2003, 04:36 PM

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Darwin, I am a member of approx. 5 forums that use this same VB template and some of the boards I go to have pics in sig that are twice as big as mine. I pity the 56ker but the 56ker needs to evolve and I will not be hindered by the 56ker, especially when there is options to turn off sigs and avatars. I'd never recieved any complaints from any other boards where I had a big pic but I respectully recieve your comment and will consider finding something else maybe when I get out of my RTCW phaze. But as of right now, that's all I'm playing. The 99 char limit kind of sucks, I'm at the limit right now actually with mine. It wouldn't bother me to see you or anyone with huge pics of roadkill or whatever else their sick minds may come up with as long as it weren't offensive.</div>

Understood. I'll just turn off viewing sigs.

Hey, when I was on Live today, I saw that you were on Solider of Fortune II for a brief period. You own that game or is it just a rental? And what do you think of SOF2 online? When I rented the game, I couldn't find anyone else online except once where we had 3 guys and it lasted only 20 min of play.

Tappy_Tibbons

08-23-2003, 05:35 PM

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Understood. I'll just turn off viewing sigs.

Hey, when I was on Live today, I saw that you were on Solider of Fortune II for a brief period. You own that game or is it just a rental? And what do you think of SOF2 online? When I rented the game, I couldn't find anyone else online except once where we had 3 guys and it lasted only 20 min of play.</div>

Yea, I gave it a rent. I was having probs finding people to play as well. Seemed like I searched 10 times and then all of the sudden the games went from none to like 40...I dunno why it did that. It was actually not too bad. It runs pretty smooth(smoother than RTCW usually) but there are some rediculous voiceovers. WHen someone would shout "fire in the hole!" it would sound moronic, which is everytime a grenade is thrown. Not too bad though. I'd buy it for 20$ easy, not 50$ though. I'm going to go attempt to play it again now.

Robert-The-Rambler

08-23-2003, 10:38 PM

You can't lump it together with GD. You will basically have a board with flames and whatever mixed with tame posts. And that will make it hard to moderate. There has been a different standard for GD and System Wars. It is like putting different television channels together. You can't have the Romance channel mixed with Action or FoX Sports. We need a separate System Wars forum so the "viewers" know exactly what they are going to get each time they come on the board. Having prospective VGR members sift through many "tame" posts in order to find the more raunchy posts of the System Wars variety is not a good idea because it does not allow members or guests the chance to get a feel for what the identity of the board is.

slade

08-24-2003, 05:03 AM

That's what System Wars used to be ages ago. Actual smart talk mixed in with all the flaming. I guess it would be too much to ask that people try and police themselves. :rolleyes:

Besides, there's still the News and Rumors board. People can go over there if the talk here gets too flamy.

stevedperkins

08-24-2003, 05:45 AM

That's what System Wars used to be ages ago. Actual smart talk mixed in with all the flaming. I guess it would be too much to ask that people try and police themselves.That's the way it is NOW, I think people police themselves adequetly for the most part... and I'm starting to believe that it would be too much to ask that you stop being such a pu**y.

Besides, there's still the News and Rumors board. People can go over there if the talk here gets too flamy.Riiiiight... because "General Discussion" obviously implies "flame-free", while "News and Rumors" obviously implies "flames-okay". WTF?!? Better idea... people can talk on THE REVIVED SYSTEM WARS BOARD.

slade

08-24-2003, 05:51 AM

<div class=\"smallfont\">That's the way it is NOW, I think people police themselves adequetly for the most part... and I'm starting to believe that it would be too much to ask that you stop being such a pu**y.</div>

I've been in System Wars longer then you've had a system.

<div class=\"smallfont\">Riiiiight... because "General Discussion" obviously implies "flame-free", while "News and Rumors" obviously implies "flames-okay". WTF?!? Better idea... people can talk on THE REVIVED SYSTEM WARS BOARD.</div>

If you read, I was suggesting News and Rumors for people like you that are getting pissy because they might actually have to listen to smart people for once.

Lara

08-24-2003, 06:05 AM

<div class=\"smallfont\">You can't lump it together with GD. You will basically have a board with flames and whatever mixed with tame posts. And that will make it hard to moderate. There has been a different standard for GD and System Wars. It is like putting different television channels together. You can't have the Romance channel mixed with Action or FoX Sports. We need a separate System Wars forum so the "viewers" know exactly what they are going to get each time they come on the board. Having prospective VGR members sift through many "tame" posts in order to find the more raunchy posts of the System Wars variety is not a good idea because it does not allow members or guests the chance to get a feel for what the identity of the board is.</div>

Rob that was a great analogy, and I agree!

mass

08-24-2003, 09:32 AM

It's so refreshing to see slade find a new combatant to play "let's get the last word in game" with. I think the reason slade likes these boards is that he's off to early post leadership race.

Can hardly wait for people announcing excitedly, "One more post and I'm at 100". Woo-hoo!! Another thing that bites is being able to edit your post. On the old board, if you posted something really stupid, which I did on a few occassions, you couldn't take it back. Your stupidity was on permanent display. That's all gone now.

Renzi, how could you mistake Steve-o here, for yours truly. Although, I'm in full agreement with gasp, a cube-boy, (need to generate some friction here), he simply does not have either my venomous mentality, nor the proverbial acid dripping from his tongue.

Then again, I'm not my old self anymore, the compulsion to ream people out just isn't there anymore. With the old boards you could peruse the outrageous claims and the current replies, wade into battle with both guns blazing. This format, while user-friendly does not lend itself well to creating the battlegrounds we got to view in the past.

You'd get a kick out of the 100+ reply towel snapping sessions between the game and slade, although its allure waned after the 50th go around of these two barking at each other. Anyhoo, gone. Thing of the past. The unigueness of that board is lost and gone forever. Won't be the same, anyway you cut it.

Robert-The-Rambler

08-24-2003, 11:09 AM

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Rob that was a great analogy, and I agree!</div>

Thanks for kind words. I think that about sums up how I feel and it looks like how many others feel as well. I hope action is taken.

slade

08-24-2003, 11:59 AM

<div class=\"smallfont\">It's so refreshing to see slade find a new combatant to play "let's get the last word in game" with. I think the reason slade likes these boards is that he's off to early post leadership race. </div>

Feh, aside from the fact that I want to know at what point the Junior member title comes off, I couldn't care less about post counts and what not.

Look at the bright side though, now the PC game review forum is that much closer. You can go over there and tell them how useless their PC's are all the while touting the abilities of the X-box.

Glockstar

08-24-2003, 12:22 PM

<div class=\"smallfont\"> You can't have the Romance channel mixed with Action or FoX Sports. We need a separate System Wars forum so the "viewers" know exactly what they are going to get each time they come on the board. </div>

You know it!
That's why so many of us would b!tch about certain posts/threads... it was like 'hey, get that stuff out of here, man - take it somewhere else - I don't want to hear about it'!

And merging SW with General Dis is the absolute worst board you could merge it with!
As General Discussion is open to, and welcomes, non-gaming topics, for crying out loud!

It's a match made in hell, I tell ya!
(I didn't realize the administrators here were so... evil. :p )

mass

08-24-2003, 01:11 PM

Repost error, never mind. Subtract one from my post count, wouldn't want to be accused of posting inconsequential fluff like cough,cough, slade, cough, cough, just to pad my post count.

mass

08-24-2003, 01:12 PM

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Feh, aside from the fact that I want to know at what point the Junior member title comes off, I couldn't care less about post counts and what not.

Look at the bright side though, now the PC game review forum is that much closer. You can go over there and tell them how useless their PC's are all the while touting the abilities of the X-box.</div>

I think junior member fits you perfectly. Glad to see you're still the xbox hater you've always been. Some things never change. Yeah, right, don't care about the number of posts, you're posting your little brains out. A regular little forum whore you are.

As for your pc remark, whatever, you'll always be this close-minded tool and conversing with a brick wall would be easier, not to mention the wall's got a higher I.Q.

Tappy_Tibbons

08-24-2003, 01:16 PM

I almost miss all the flaming wars. Gee, I was trying to start the first one and it's gotten all off topic.

slade

08-24-2003, 01:36 PM

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I think junior member fits you perfectly. Glad to see you're still the xbox hater you've always been. Some things never change. Yeah, right, don't care about the number of posts, you're posting your little brains out. A regular little forum whore you are.

As for your pc remark, whatever, you'll always be this close-minded tool and conversing with a brick wall would be easier, not to mention the wall's got a higher I.Q.</div>

I love you too you hunch backed little gnome. :cool:

Oh and as for the rest, hello, but didn't we have off topic..... ummm..... topics on the old System Wars board as well. What was so spot on about I-Virtual posting random pics of X-box games. I still think GD and System Wars might as well join together. They were the two most populated boards and it makes sense to have people actually post system positive stuff in System Wars every now and then. Lack of threads like that was why so many of the older members left System Wars in the first place.

Renzatic Gear

08-24-2003, 03:34 PM

I wouldn't worry about it, Mass. Once everyone gets back in the swing of things and they bring back System Wars we'll all pick up where we left off.

Once you get used to the new format you'll find it alot better than the old one. I'm thinking the biggest difference you'll see is that you'll have alot more new topics posted so people can argue amongst themselves, the complete opposite of the old boards where you'd only see 2 topics posted a day but there'd be a few hundred replies to em.

One thing I think they should remove, though...the post count. All it'll do is draw post whoring status seekers to the board.

mass

08-24-2003, 07:24 PM

<div class=\"smallfont\">I wouldn't worry about it, Mass. Once everyone gets back in the swing of things and they bring back System Wars we'll all pick up where we left off.

Once you get used to the new format you'll find it alot better than the old one. I'm thinking the biggest difference you'll see is that you'll have alot more new topics posted so people can argue amongst themselves, the complete opposite of the old boards where you'd only see 2 topics posted a day but there'd be a few hundred replies to em.

One thing I think they should remove, though...the post count. All it'll do is draw post whoring status seekers to the board.</div>

:eek: You listening, slade. One of the problems I have with this format, is that it's too much like other forums, user friendly as hell. Let's face it, you had to be somewhat hardcore to put up with the old format to begin with. That meant, casual posters didn't stick around and were quickly gone. Also, I can't easily track my insults anymore. This was the fourth thread I clicked on, looking for my I.Q. wall> I.Q. slade remark.

I'm gonna have to come up with an avatar, I hate that kind of stuff. A sig as well. Oh, man. It's progress, but it's like when they tear down the old ball park to stick up the new one. The tradition just isn't there, anymore. Ridiculous, I know, to be lamenting a forum, but, that's how I feel.

The post count thing, you know, I've seen post counts on other forums with people racking up 20,000 posts and guys who think that's it cool to have that many posts rather than you're a big loser with no life who has to have human contact via the internet. 20,000 posts and there's maybe a half dozen posters worth responding to. I swear if the servers ever had to be completely overhauled and these guys lost their post counts, they'd probably have to go into therapy to try and recover from the loss.

slade

08-24-2003, 08:09 PM

So, you'd rather elitism then new posters coming to the board?

I don't agree with that. The VGR community is very small compared to some other boards out there. Now, I don't want a chaotic community filled with 500 or so posters but I do want a few more people to come to these boards. It would keep things fresh to say the least.

The new forums are fine with me, although if you guys do want validation for flaming, by all means have the name of this forum changed to System Wars.