Nintendo?

[Horngreen]

This board has become nothing but 360 or PSP as of late and I would like to know if anyone knows anything about the revolution and its 3d projection feature I read a blurb about the other day? Will this be so damn cool that we will all go to Nintendo or is it "emotion engine" kind of lame? I hope somebody has more info because what I have written is about all I know.

[theWacoKid]

This board has become nothing but 360 or PSP as of late and I would like to know if anyone knows anything about the revolution and its 3d projection feature I read a blurb about the other day? Will this be so damn cool that we will all go to Nintendo or is it "emotion engine" kind of lame? I hope somebody has more info because what I have written is about all I know.

3d projection feature?! That's news to me. The revy as i like to call it, will be using chipsets very similar to xbox 360. It will be b/c with gamecube software, it will be wifi capable out of the xbox. And it'll feature some type of revolutionary control method, hence the name.

Iwata won't say more, because he's afraid the competition will steal their ideas. Small chance of that. They've kept it a mystery which virtually guarantees a software drought at launch.

[shogun]

I don't think that Nintendo has soiled its reputation to the point that if Revolution delivers on its namesake people will ignore it. Still, with so little known, it's hard to get excited. Gyroscopic controllers sound cool...but well how excited can you get without seeing a single piece of software?

Of course if the system is revolutionary to the point of not being able to do multiplat games, that could be a problem. I don't forsee Revolution getting more support than GC did.

[Glockstar]

...Still, with so little known, it's hard to get excited. Gyroscopic controllers sound cool...but well how excited can you get without seeing a single piece of software?

See, now with me, it's because of what I do know that makes it hard for me to get excited: more Mario & Luigi... more Mario Party; Mario Kart; Mario sports; and Mario this-that-and-the-other... more Pokemon colors... and crap... more Yoshi & Kirby Rub&Twist Racing... more Wario Ware... more Donkey Bongo... more Pac-Man... and more stuff aimed the little kiddies. Gawd, spare me. :rolleyes:

Of course if the system is revolutionary to the point of not being able to do multiplat games, that could be a problem. I don't forsee Revolution getting more support than GC did.

Boy you said a mouthful there. Two mouthfuls actually!

The N64 did as well as it did because Nintendo had Rare to help churn out games. With the GC Nintendo saw help from Capcom. And then that is it. That is pretty much all the help and support they've gotten for their last two consoles. And as you can see, with each progressive generation they've lost ground. And lots of it.

And they've lost friends too.

When they sold off Rare they replaced them with... no one... and Capcom started to falter in their support not long after they pledged it. The last of The Capcom Five... er, I mean, Capcom Four... is set to come out here in a couple of months (and then after that... what?) but the big deal about it and the others was that they were supposed to be exclusive to the 'Cube. Turns out that only one of them (the first of them) ended up being that, as Capcom saw themselves in a downward flush hanging out with Nintendo. You think they'll be back next gen? Pfffft. Will anybody?

And yeah, playing with rubby-dubby touchy-feely-twisty controllers might make for a fun (read: alternative) way to play thru Mario versus Samus Pinball-Party-Karting Melee for the kitties and for grandma but how will it work for Madden/Need For Speed/Tony Hawk/SpiderMan/Splinter Cell/Resident Evil et al? Heck, how will it work for DigDug/Galaga/Frogger/Sonic/Street Fighter/Mega Man and the many other retro-compilations that are so popular right now and that we're sure to see more of? No! Wait! Hows it supposed to work with Metroid Prime, The Legend of Zelda, Eternal Darkness, Pikmin 2, and Tales of Symphonia?!

[Horngreen]

I found the link were I read it.
http://www.gamedreamz.com/index.cgi?m=stories&s=read&id=3325

[Superjoint Ritual]

I've heard lot's of rumors, but who knows if there true. Nintendo WILL be showing off the Revolution to some extent at E3 this year.

- Wireless everything out of the box. Including the ability to hook up to your pc moniter.

- gyroscopic controllers also being pressure sensitive... The entire controller will be pressure sensitive that is. :confused:

- Some sort of HD built in.

- Will be much more powerful than the Xbox 360.

There's more, but these are the most believeable.

[Superjoint Ritual]

See, now with me, it's because of what I do know that makes it hard for me to get excited: more Mario & Luigi... more Mario Party; Mario Kart; Mario sports; and Mario this-that-and-the-other... more Pokemon colors... and crap... more Yoshi & Kirby Rub&Twist Racing... more Wario Ware... more Donkey Bongo... more Pac-Man... and more stuff aimed the little kiddies. Gawd, spare me. :rolleyes: *yawn*... So predictable.





The N64 did as well as it did because Nintendo had Rare to help churn out games. With the GC Nintendo saw help from Capcom. And then that is it. That is pretty much all the help and support they've gotten for their last two consoles. And as you can see, with each progressive generation they've lost ground. And lots of it. Umm... The GC had much better third-party support than the 64.



When they sold off Rare they replaced them with... no one... and Capcom started to falter in their support not long after they pledged it. The last of The Capcom Five... er, I mean, Capcom Four... is set to come out here in a couple of months (and then after that... what?) but the big deal about it and the others was that they were supposed to be exclusive to the 'Cube. Turns out that only one of them (the first of them) ended up being that, as Capcom saw themselves in a downward flush hanging out with Nintendo. You think they'll be back next gen? Pfffft. Will anybody? Nintendo's looking pretty damn wise for getting rid of Rare right now. Those Capcom four are four more games they got that they wouldn't of on the N64.

And yeah, playing with rubby-dubby touchy-feely-twisty controllers might make for a fun (read: alternative) way to play thru Mario versus Samus Pinball-Party-Karting Melee for the kitties and for grandma but how will it work for Madden/Need For Speed/Tony Hawk/SpiderMan/Splinter Cell/Resident Evil et al? Heck, how will it work for DigDug/Galaga/Frogger/Sonic/Street Fighter/Mega Man and the many other retro-compilations that are so popular right now and that we're sure to see more of? No! Wait! Hows it supposed to work with Metroid Prime, The Legend of Zelda, Eternal Darkness, Pikmin 2, and Tales of Symphonia?! No one knows how the revlotuion will work out because.... NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT IT YET. That's why all sane people have reserved judgement on it. As usual, if it doesn't say Xbox on it, you break out the hate.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Nintendo is the most secluded of the three systems. The GC was a powerful device, more powerful than the PS2, yet that fact alone failed to produce tangible 3rd party products or any kind of tangible benefit over the PS2. Something XBOX was able to do, both in terms of clearly superior games and exclusive arrangements with 3rd party developers.

I do not doubt the Revolution will also be powerful. I am not certain it will be more powerful than the XBOX 360, simply because they are both using ATI graphics processors and IBM chips. The difference is I do not think the Revolution will be using 3 core processors like XBOX 360 is. Also, the graphics boards are being created by two different ATI teams, independently, but its likely the specs for Revolution are finalized already, so I don't think even though its coming later the graphics processor will be significantly more powerful than the one ATI is making for XBOX 360.

That being said, I believe all three consoles will be capable of photo realistic graphics, in 60fps, in high definition. With those capabilities, I believe it is uncertain what role extra power will mean early on. In other words, whether XBOX 360 or Revolution is the weakest, they will both be capable of producing graphics to the naked eye that will look just as good as the PS3, I believe. I think this generation will come down not to power but to software, services, and games. On all three levels, software developing, services, and games, despite having the 2nd most powerful console, GC was last in those categories.

Moreso, I'm just not a fan anymore of Donkey Kong, The Legend of Zelda, Mario Bros, and the rest of the Nintendo franchises. I think they will always have a place in the market, i'm just not in that place, I don't care how "good" the characters look. PC developers will adopt the Revolution last, if not for any other reason than the perceived fan base. PC developers will jump first to XBOX 360 and PS3, in that order, likely because of XNA and MS close PC roots and the success PC franchises have had on XBOX, and because of the PS3's larger installed base. When it comes to services, will Nintendo deliver in a timely manner? Their history suggest not. And despite the fact they will have some type of online service, it won't be as good as LIVE, and again I wouldn't be interested in playing Donkey Kong Kart racing over Forza 2.

I have two large screens each with a console in the A/V rack. At present, those consoles are both XBOXes. Next generation, unless MS and Sony both do something incredible stupid, then there will be an XBOX 360 on one and a PS3 on the other.

[Glockstar]

*yawn*... So predictable.

LOL. No... this is predictable.

You kitties are so... squeamish.

Sorry dude, I guess we just got different gaming tastes. I'm over it. Are you?

If not, then I'll be happy to tell you again how much I hate the cutesy-looking, annoying sounding, been-there-done-that games that Nintendo is all about making... and you can tell me how predictable it is of me to do so... and we can keep going and going until you do get over it. :p

Seriously tho', I don't hate Nintendo because I'm some blind hata', or some dejected neglected ex-fanboy... I hate them because I can't stand what they put out anymore. I don't like their games anymore, I don't like their hardware, I don't like their direction, I don't like their attitude, or their hypocrisy...

It is a rare occasion when Nintendo puts out something that interests me. And it's been like that for a loooong time now.

Quit bringing them up - quit reminding me of how awful they've become - and I'll quit voicing my opinions about them.

[Superjoint Ritual]

I'm over it. Are you? That's funny... It seems you can't wait to post your predictable drivel in every Nintendo post. It's a given, if it's about Nintendo, you'll post your kiddy, gaycube bs. Nothing original, nothing thought provoking, just the same ol' same ol'. Kinda reminds of the The Game, actually.

You used to be annoying... Now your just pathetic. :rolleyes:

[ilnadmy]

Nintendo is the most secluded of the three systems. The GC was a powerful device, more powerful than the PS2, yet that fact alone failed to produce tangible 3rd party products or any kind of tangible benefit over the PS2. Something XBOX was able to do, both in terms of clearly superior games and exclusive arrangements with 3rd party developers.

Ahem ahem.....The Resident Evil series, Baten Kaitos, an exclusive Metal Gear Solid game, plus some amazing 1st and 2nd party games, something which Microsoft has sucked at long and hard. What do they have, Halo? How about Eternal Darkness, Star Fox, Zelda, and Metroid Prime on GC. Plus, let's face it, most of Xbox's 3rd party games were utter crap. I will say this however: they do have more 3rd party games, therefore they have more "good" 3rd party games than the GC. Just giving credit where credit is due.

I do not doubt the Revolution will also be powerful. I am not certain it will be more powerful than the XBOX 360, simply because they are both using ATI graphics processors and IBM chips. The difference is I do not think the Revolution will be using 3 core processors like XBOX 360 is. Also, the graphics boards are being created by two different ATI teams, independently, but its likely the specs for Revolution are finalized already, so I don't think even though its coming later the graphics processor will be significantly more powerful than the one ATI is making for XBOX 360.

Hmmm.....The GC and Xbox both came out a year after the PS2, and the difference in graphics is.....noticable, as you Xbots like to point out. So now that Xbox 360 is coming out a year before Revolution and PS3, its graphics will not be much worse? You guys crack me up.

Plus, Nintendo has a much longer working relationship with ATi, while Microsoft just had to ditch nVidia after trying to screw them over. And saying that since they both are using ATi graphics processors, therefore they will be just as powerful is simply retarded.

That being said, I believe all three consoles will be capable of photo realistic graphics, in 60fps, in high definition. With those capabilities, I believe it is uncertain what role extra power will mean early on. In other words, whether XBOX 360 or Revolution is the weakest, they will both be capable of producing graphics to the naked eye that will look just as good as the PS3, I believe. I think this generation will come down not to power but to software, services, and games. On all three levels, software developing, services, and games, despite having the 2nd most powerful console, GC was last in those categories.

*Cough*cough*sour grapes*cough* First you say that the power difference will be minimal, and then IN THE NEXT PARAGRAPH you defend why you think the Xbox 360 having less power is not an issue. Wow.

Moreso, I'm just not a fan anymore of Donkey Kong, The Legend of Zelda, Mario Bros, and the rest of the Nintendo franchises. I think they will always have a place in the market, i'm just not in that place, I don't care how "good" the characters look. PC developers will adopt the Revolution last, if not for any other reason than the perceived fan base. PC developers will jump first to XBOX 360 and PS3, in that order, likely because of XNA and MS close PC roots and the success PC franchises have had on XBOX, and because of the PS3's larger installed base. When it comes to services, will Nintendo deliver in a timely manner? Their history suggest not. And despite the fact they will have some type of online service, it won't be as good as LIVE, and again I wouldn't be interested in playing Donkey Kong Kart racing over Forza 2.

So you measure the success of a console based on whether or not PC developers are on board?

I have two large screens each with a console in the A/V rack. At present, those consoles are both XBOXes. Next generation, unless MS and Sony both do something incredible stupid, then there will be an XBOX 360 on one and a PS3 on the other.

And I have a PS2, a GC, and an Xbox. Of those three, I have the least number of games for the Xbox. Figures.

Let me just throw this idea out there. Last generation, when PS2 came out, people went out and immediately bought that rather than wait for GC and Xbox. Therefore, MS thinks that by releasing Xbox 360 early, they will sell more systems. However, they fail to see that last generation was the first time that this three-system-wars situation was thrust upon the mainstream market. This time, most people are going to wait until all 3 consoles are released before buying them (diehard Xbots excluded). Personally, I'm going to sit tight until Revolution and PS3 are released and then decide. They've seen Sony, Nintendo, and MS at work, and know that all three bring different things to the table. Thus, they are not going to run out and buy an Xbox 360, they are going to WAIT IT OUT. MS needs to wise up and realize that it's basically shooting itself in the foot by releasing first, when the whole selling point of the Xbox was "more power".

[Mochan]

3 Way wars? Fun.

However, on my end chances are I'm sticking to PS3. Not that I'm a die hard Sony fan or anything, but the games I will want will most likely be on the PS3. Any XBox3 games will most likely be available on PC sooner or later, or there will be PC games that I can play as substitutes. Just about every game on the XBox is PC-like, and you can find a PC substitute (if it's not on the PC itself)... the main exceptions are, well, the Japanese games (like DOA and Ninja Gaiden).

It's these same Japanese games which I am expecting to play on the PS3. Nintendo? I don't even consider them in the running anymore, but if they can somehow coax Konami, Capcom, Tecmo etc. back into their fold like in the FamiCom days then maybe I'll get the Rev. That seems like a cold day in hell with pigs flying over it, though.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Ahem ahem.....The Resident Evil series, Baten Kaitos, an exclusive Metal Gear Solid game, plus some amazing 1st and 2nd party games, something which Microsoft has sucked at long and hard. What do they have, Halo? How about Eternal Darkness, Star Fox, Zelda, and Metroid Prime on GC. Plus, let's face it, most of Xbox's 3rd party games were utter crap. I will say this however: they do have more 3rd party games, therefore they have more "good" 3rd party games than the GC. Just giving credit where credit is due.

RE I'll give you that even thought the 4th one is multiplat now. The MGS was a remake and it was worse than the orginal that came out last gen. Anyway the games are subjective. MS is not the developer that Nintendo is but they have published more good games this gen IMO. But like I said it's all subjective.




Hmmm.....The GC and Xbox both came out a year after the PS2, and the difference in graphics is.....noticable, as you Xbots like to point out. So now that Xbox 360 is coming out a year before Revolution and PS3, its graphics will not be much worse? You guys crack me up.

The difference being that even though the other consoles are coming out later most of the specs are already set for these consoles now. And what Made the Xbox more powerful wasn't really the number crunching of the GPU and CPU but the effects that were written in the hardware. And the hardware itself was custimzalbe. Next Gen even if the Rev and PS3 have more horse power (and it's been stated the PS2 can actually push more raw poly's than the Xbox) I doubt either of these systems will have an advantage in graphical techniques. Splinter Cell looks better on the Xbox not because the Xbox version pushes more poly's but the xbox does real time shadows better. I don't see any of the consoles having this type of advantage next gen. Every system will have shader techniques bumpmapping and so forth. And there is a hell of a big difference between 8 player to 16 player online/onscreen than there is between 50 to 64 player online/onscreen from a gameplay perspective.



Plus, Nintendo has a much longer working relationship with ATi, while Microsoft just had to ditch nVidia after trying to screw them over. And saying that since they both are using ATi graphics processors, therefore they will be just as powerful is simply retarded.

And this means what? Plus the fact is MS has a longer relationships with ATi because there chips have been using Direct X for how long. And the Nvidia comment is stupid. That roped MS into a B.S. contract MS wanted to renegotiate it you and waco really are talking out of your a$$ when it comes to this.



*Cough*cough*sour grapes*cough* First you say that the power difference will be minimal, and then IN THE NEXT PARAGRAPH you defend why you think the Xbox 360 having less power is not an issue. Wow.


Personally I don't think power will be an issue next gen it won't be like this gen. And you will probably need a HD tv to experience the best of what any of the consoles have to offer. And we know how low tech the kitties and the milk drinkers are. HD tv oooooooooh bad!



And I have a PS2, a GC, and an Xbox. Of those three, I have the least number of games for the Xbox. Figures.

Let me just throw this idea out there. Last generation, when PS2 came out, people went out and immediately bought that rather than wait for GC and Xbox. Therefore, MS thinks that by releasing Xbox 360 early, they will sell more systems. However, they fail to see that last generation was the first time that this three-system-wars situation was thrust upon the mainstream market. This time, most people are going to wait until all 3 consoles are released before buying them (diehard Xbots excluded). Personally, I'm going to sit tight until Revolution and PS3 are released and then decide. They've seen Sony, Nintendo, and MS at work, and know that all three bring different things to the table. Thus, they are not going to run out and buy an Xbox 360, they are going to WAIT IT OUT. MS needs to wise up and realize that it's basically shooting itself in the foot by releasing first, when the whole selling point of the Xbox was "more power".

Man this board has more market analysist than wallstreet. I'm pretty sure there are a good number of millionares who post on this board.

[ilnadmy]

RE I'll give you that even thought the 4th one is multiplat now.

Whatchu talkin bout? RE4 ain't comin to the PS2. Forget it.

The difference being that even though the other consoles are coming out later most of the specs are already set for these consoles now. And what Made the Xbox more powerful wasn't really the number crunching of the GPU and CPU but the effects that were written in the hardware. And the hardware itself was custimzalbe. Next Gen even if the Rev and PS3 have more horse power (and it's been stated the PS2 can actually push more raw poly's than the Xbox) I doubt either of these systems will have an advantage in graphical techniques. Splinter Cell looks better on the Xbox not because the Xbox version pushes more poly's but the xbox does real time shadows better. I don't see any of the consoles having this type of advantage next gen. Every system will have shader techniques bumpmapping and so forth. And there is a hell of a big difference between 8 player to 16 player online/onscreen than there is between 50 to 64 player online/onscreen from a gameplay perspective.

Consider this: programmers were able to come up with techniques to make games look better based on the current technology. When they have better technology next year, they are going to come up with new tricks. That means that they will have more technology to play with on the PS3 and the Revolution than with the Xbox 360, which, by your rationale, means better looking games. The fact that they will be more powerful means they can do more of those graphical tricks.

Man this board has more market analysist than wallstreet. I'm pretty sure there are a good number of millionares who post on this board.

Well you just wait and see what happens. I bet you most people will wait for PS3 and Revolution rather than rushing out to buy Xbox 360.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Whatchu talkin bout? RE4 ain't comin to the PS2. Forget it.



Consider this: programmers were able to come up with techniques to make games look better based on the current technology. When they have better technology next year, they are going to come up with new tricks. That means that they will have more technology to play with on the PS3 and the Revolution than with the Xbox 360, which, by your rationale, means better looking games. The fact that they will be more powerful means they can do more of those graphical tricks.

What?! They may have come up with different techniques to pull off the same effects like supposedly realtime shadows and so called bumpmapping on the PS2. But next gen it won't matter ATi chips in the Rev and 360 and Nvidia in the PS3 means all these effects are coming standard next gen. The main difference you will see in power next gen is framerates and resolution pretty much the same way it is in the PC world. The new cards basically run things faster at better resolution than the last. Periodiocally there is a major shift to the "next gen" then the cards are bascially just faster.



Well you just wait and see what happens. I bet you most people will wait for PS3 and Revolution rather than rushing out to buy Xbox 360.

They may wait for the PS3 but the Rev you are kidding yourself.

[ilnadmy]

What?! They may have come up with different techniques to pull off the same effects like supposedly realtime shadows and so called bumpmapping on the PS2. But next gen it won't matter ATi chips in the Rev and 360 and Nvidia in the PS3 means all these effects are coming standard next gen. The main difference you will see in power next gen is framerates and resolution pretty much the same way it is in the PC world. The new cards basically run things faster at better resolution than the last. Periodiocally there is a major shift to the "next gen" then the cards are bascially just faster.

I'm saying they will come up with NEW TECHNIQUES for next gen consoles. I know they will all have standard the techniques which were created for this generation, but when programmers create all new techniques, they will be better utilized on the PS3 and Revolution, which will have more power than the 360.

They may wait for the PS3 but the Rev you are kidding yourself.

Haha, well we'll see then.

[Glockstar]

That's funny... It seems you can't wait to post your predictable drivel in every Nintendo post. It's a given, if it's about Nintendo, you'll post your kiddy, gaycube bs. Nothing original, nothing thought provoking, just the same ol' same ol'. Kinda reminds of the The Game, actually.

You used to be annoying... Now your just pathetic. :rolleyes:

You hate me don't you?

My kiddy posts are bs? There's nothing original or thought provoking about them?
Well maybe that's because there's nothing original or thought provoking about Nintendo and their games. Talk about the same ol' same ol'... If they'd quit making the same *bleep* over and over and over and over again then maybe there'd be something new and different for me to talk about.

Why just look at this list...

1080 Avalanche
Animal Crossing
Custom Robo Battle Revolution
Disney's Magical Mirror Starring Mickey Mouse
Donkey Kong Jungle Beat
Donkey Konga
Donkey Konga 2
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
F-Zero GX
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles
Kirby Air Ride
Luigi's Mansion
Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour
Mario Kart: Double Dash!!
Mario Party 4
Mario Party 5
Mario Party 6
Mario Power Tennis
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2 Echoes
NBA Courtside 2002
Pac-Man Vs.
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
Pikmin
Pikmin 2
Pokemon Channel
Pokemon Colosseum
Star Fox Adventures
Star Fox Assault
Super Mario Sunshine
Super Smash Bros. Melee
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
Wario Ware Inc. Mega Party Game$
Wario World
Wave Race: Blue Storm

...I mean, really, step back away from yourself for a second and just look at what they've put out for their GameCube. Now... tell me how that's not kiddy.

And you should see the N64 list! :eek:

You want me to change my tune and talk about something different - something new - when I talk about Nintendo? Tell me, what should I talk about? What can I talk about?

[Superjoint Ritual]

You hate me don't you?

My kiddy posts are bs? There's nothing original or thought provoking about them?
Well maybe that's because there's nothing original or thought provoking about Nintendo and their games. Talk about the same ol' same ol'... If they'd quit making the same *bleep* over and over and over and over again then maybe there'd be something new and different for me to talk about.

Why just look at this list...

1080 Avalanche
Animal Crossing
Custom Robo Battle Revolution
Disney's Magical Mirror Starring Mickey Mouse
Donkey Kong Jungle Beat
Donkey Konga
Donkey Konga 2
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
F-Zero GX
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles
Kirby Air Ride
Luigi's Mansion
Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour
Mario Kart: Double Dash!!
Mario Party 4
Mario Party 5
Mario Party 6
Mario Power Tennis
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2 Echoes
NBA Courtside 2002
Pac-Man Vs.
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
Pikmin
Pikmin 2
Pokemon Channel
Pokemon Colosseum
Star Fox Adventures
Star Fox Assault
Super Mario Sunshine
Super Smash Bros. Melee
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
Wario Ware Inc. Mega Party Game$
Wario World
Wave Race: Blue Storm

...I mean, really, step back away from yourself for a second and just look at what they've put out for their GameCube. Now... tell me how that's not kiddy.

And you should see the N64 list! :eek:

You want me to change my tune and talk about something different - something new - when I talk about Nintendo? Tell me, what should I talk about? What can I talk about? I wouldn't hate anyone over something as silly as videogames. I just don't understand how people like you think.

You don't like Nintendo, we get it. You always break out some list and bahs it, when there are several games on it that are great or even fantastic. So, you make yourself look stupid.

Someday Nintendo may make a game where Link rapes Zelda and then races his horse... ONLINE... And then ends the day by killing everyone in a local village in FPS mode... Then, maybe, Xbots will finnaly support the big N. :rolleyes:

[Jupiter_x]

I wouldn't hate anyone over something as silly as videogames. I just don't understand how people like you think.

You don't like Nintendo, we get it. You always break out some list and bahs it, when there are several games on it that are great or even fantastic. So, you make yourself look stupid.

Someday Nintendo may make a game where Link rapes Zelda and then races his horse... ONLINE... And then ends the day by killing everyone in a local village in FPS mode... Then, maybe, Xbots will finnaly support the big N. :rolleyes:


Pantera pwns bro! Too bad about Dimebag though! :mad:

Hey, as I have said before...Xbots are truly ignorant to gaming if it is NOT on Xbox!
Xbots don't care...they don't. Most GC and PS2 owners still acknowledge some quality Xbox games. I myself have to admit that I love SC CT, Halo 2 and NG on my Xbox!

Glock fails to realize that Nintendo simply makes decent games, Some sequels are warrented. Metroids, Halos and Splinter Cells all deserve a continuing story line though sequels.
Although I myself am a little tired of some rehashes and too many sequels of certain games,(C'mon how many Donky Kongas, Pokemons and Mario parties do we really need?)


Xbots need to respect the Elders of the videogame industy...


Nintendo and Sega

[Glockstar]

You always break out some list and bahs it, when there are several games on it that are great or even fantastic.

Pfffft... there's a few games on it/them that are good to maybe even very good.

Now, a list with several great to fantastic games would be the Microsoft list! :D

But let's leave personal opinions out of this from now on, okay? You obviously can't handle mine.

So let's instead look at the big picture, yes? Let's try to get some perspective that way. Perspective: that thing that you kitties seem to have trouble with.

Kinda like my boss at work who thinks I'm being picky about the coffee, he says, 'It's just coffee and water'. Um, no it's not. I mean, if I dropped a spoonful of water into a can of coffee grounds would I have coffee? No. If I dumped a packet of coffee into Lake Michigan, would I have coffee? No.

You kitties say there are several great games in the GC library; and you say that the GC gets good 3rd party support and blah blah blah - but I say no, no... and uh, no. I suppose that might be a persons outlook if they were stranded on an island. But nobody here is! So when you guys say these things, I say, COMPARED TO WHAT!?

-

Now, in an effort to try and make "the peace"... I'll leave you with a list of GameCube games that I cannot bash, okay?:

Demon Stone
Silent Hill 4
Colin McRae Rally '04 & '05
Psi-Ops: The Mindgate Conspiracy
Full Spectrum Warrior
Star Wars: Battlefront
ESPN NFL 2K5
ESPN NBA 2K5
ESPN NHL 2K5
ESPN MLB 2K5
Crash-n-Burn
The Bard's Tale
Mercenaries
Psychonauts
Midnight Club III: DUB Edition
Destroy All Humans
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Gauntlet: Seven Sorrows

Of course, that list is entirely made up of games that are not available on the GameCube... :o

[Gadfly2317]

I wouldn't hate anyone over something as silly as videogames. I just don't understand how people like you think.

You don't like Nintendo, we get it. You always break out some list and bahs it, when there are several games on it that are great or even fantastic. So, you make yourself look stupid.

Someday Nintendo may make a game where Link rapes Zelda and then races his horse... ONLINE... And then ends the day by killing everyone in a local village in FPS mode... Then, maybe, Xbots will finnaly support the big N. :rolleyes:

They released that game already. . . it is called Fable. You even get to murder your sister at the end. And it played just like Zelda.

But all you'd have to do to make Zelda and Animal Crossing great games is put them on Xbox. What would they have called Kameo and Grabbed by the Ghoulies and Blinx and Vince if they were Gamecube? Kiddy crap.

All you have to to know about xbot hypocrisy is in that thread where now J-RPG's are finally a good thing becacuse now the xbox is getting one. When the xbox had ZERO of these games, then they sucked.

There's nothing "kiddy" about fun, just like there's nothing "adult" about violence (I LOVED violence and gore and playing war and guns and shooting things when I was a little kid. . . just like a little boys do.)

The difference between adult gamers and the adolescent extreme mountaindew X-boys who post here is appreciating a game for what it is. There were a number of great games on Xbox. . . unfortuantely, xbots didn't buy those games, so the odds of those types of games showing up in force on Xbox2 are nil. Xbox. . . the land of me-too, rip-off, unoriginal copycat genre-cliche crap.

I expect a far smaller number of games on Revolution, but I can bet that just like with Xbox 1, there will be nothing truly refreshingly original on Xbox2, but we will yet again see a handful of games that are truly groundbreaking on Revolution.

For me, all the other games, even entertaining fun polished games like Halo, are filler. . . its those special moments that make you go "Ahhh, effing wow, man, I have NEVER played a game quite like this before." There have been several of those on Ps2, and at least 3 on GC, but NONE on Xbox. EVERY generation of Nintendo console has done something groundbreaking, standard setting, and original.

ON Xbox, EVERY game is like "hmmm. . . this is ok. . . but it reminds me a lot of . . . . ."

[Mochan]

For me, all the other games, even entertaining fun polished games like Halo, are filler. . . its those special moments that make you go "Ahhh, effing wow, man, I have NEVER played a game quite like this before." There have been several of those on Ps2, and at least 3 on GC, but NONE on Xbox. EVERY generation of Nintendo console has done something groundbreaking, standard setting, and original.

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Well, I almost agree with you, except for one thing. The XBox does have one groundbreaking, standard-setting game! It's called Dead or Alive Extreme Beach Volleyball. :)

Say what you like, but it's a fact that this particular kidn of game wasn't around before, and it managed to get all 3 other systems on the same ball! PS2 (Summerheat Beach Volleyball) , GameCube (Beach Spiker), and PC (Sexy Beach 2)! And if you say Summer Heat wasn't really a DOA:XBV ripoff, then let's look at Rumble Roses, which while not a volleyball game, most certainly stays true to spirit.

[slade]

Beach Spikers was released before DOA Volleyball.

[Mochan]

Well screw that idea then! But at least it set the trend for Sexy Beach 2, :)

[Superjoint Ritual]

Pantera pwns bro! Too bad about Dimebag though! :mad: Don't remind me, man. :(

[Gadfly2317]

Beach Spikers was released before DOA Volleyball.

And Beach Spikers was actually a fun, in-depth volleyball game. I'm ashamed to admit I had DOA Volleyball. . .the actual volleyball was horrible. . there more controls for zooming in on your players crotch than there were for actually hitting the ball!!!!

[Jupiter_x]

And Beach Spikers was actually a fun, in-depth volleyball game. I'm ashamed to admit I had DOA Volleyball. . .the actual volleyball was horrible. . there more controls for zooming in on your players crotch than there were for actually hitting the ball!!!!

I Hated that game! I hated the commercials for it! That game was the "joke" of the Xbox system! They made such a big deal about it...and for what? oh yeah, it had T&A!
Remember the "Nude Patch" for this game?

They released that game already. . . it is called Fable. You even get to murder your sister at the end. And it played just like Zelda.

I disagree...Fable might have had some remote similarities to Zelda in terms of the basic style: The "Lock On" combat, Combat being in real time, Exploration!
This is where it ends though! The game itself had nothing to peak my interest. Re-spawning enemies (the same enemy in the exact same spot) every time you re-entered that same area...every time, over and over! This game was all about Reporting to the guild, doing a mission, reporting to the guild doing a mission, again and again! The town folk would always prattle on with the most annoying and repetitive dialogue to the point you want to disable the sound!

To sum it up, Fable was an insult to the Zelda series!

[Mochan]

Well that's the problem with PC-style RPGs. They're all "'Hey my cat is on the branch of that tree could you get it down for me? Thanks here have a gold piece for your efforts!' You gained 5xp!" The very few times PC RPGs have decent stories, they're impeded by extremely poor presentation, usually in the form of a huge block of text in the status bar at the bottom of hte screen or as a dialogue window that pops in the center of the screen. I'm playing a game, not reading a novel, for gundam's sake.

They seem to be incapable of doing the simplest things console RPGs (even the older Zeldas) take for granted ... get you interested with well-paced plot events that pull you in with the story and characters.

[Gadfly2317]

I disagree...Fable might have had some remote similarities to Zelda in terms of the basic style: The "Lock On" combat, Combat being in real time, Exploration!
This is where it ends though! The game itself had nothing to peak my interest. Re-spawning enemies (the same enemy in the exact same spot) every time you re-entered that same area...every time, over and over! This game was all about Reporting to the guild, doing a mission, reporting to the guild doing a mission, again and again! The town folk would always prattle on with the most annoying and repetitive dialogue to the point you want to disable the sound!

To sum it up, Fable was an insult to the Zelda series!

Well. . . I did say played "Like." I should have said, maybe, controlled like. Combat was pretty similiar. That's were it ended though. No great dungeons or puzzles, and even a weaker story, and Zelda tends to be pretty threadbare on the story.

While Fable doesn't hold a candle to the Zelda series, I still think its pretty fair to call it it a foul-mouthed violent attempt at the Zelda formula minus dungeons. Despite all that, I still enjoyed the game a lot, and conisder it one of the better, more interesting and original games in the xbox lineup. There was quite a bit of interesting stuff to mess around with if you didn't just go straight to the next mission. I would hope they do a sequel and fix the short comings--it could be a really awesome thing; even though I don't plan on getting an Xbox 1.5. . . you know how I am.

Though seriously. . . next gen, I really do hope I can do a little better, buy less and play more thoroughly what I do buy.

[Pandarbock]

Well that's the problem with PC-style RPGs. They're all "'Hey my cat is on the branch of that tree could you get it down for me? Thanks here have a gold piece for your efforts!' You gained 5xp!" The very few times PC RPGs have decent stories, they're impeded by extremely poor presentation, usually in the form of a huge block of text in the status bar at the bottom of hte screen or as a dialogue window that pops in the center of the screen. I'm playing a game, not reading a novel, for gundam's sake.

They seem to be incapable of doing the simplest things console RPGs (even the older Zeldas) take for granted ... get you interested with well-paced plot events that pull you in with the story and characters.


Yep I would agree, but recently I have been playing Vampire masquarade: bloodlines, and if not for its story that is keeping me captivated, and the long bits of voice acted dialog, I probably wouldn't continue playing it, as the combat systems quite frankly sucks balls.

[Jupiter_x]

The very few times PC RPGs have decent stories, they're impeded by extremely poor presentation, usually in the form of a huge block of text

I found this problem with Morrowind and a few others, These games had almost too many people to talk to. Each Character in Morrowind would so much to say that there would be 6 to 7 topics to choose from. :o Get to the point!

[Jupiter_x]

While Fable doesn't hold a candle to the Zelda series, I still think its pretty fair to call it it a foul-mouthed violent attempt at the Zelda formula minus dungeons

I cannot deny that I totally hated Fable, When I first started to play it, I found it quite entertaining, but I just got really bored with all the repetition!

Foul Mouthed? was there bad language in Fable? I can't remember.

Minus Dungeons! Big No No! I love dungeon crawlers.