XBOX 360 Backward Compatiability: CHECK

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Eurogamer has come across a questionaire meant to give advice to XBOX LIVE users about what will happen to LIVE when XBOX 360 launches. Here is the text from the questionnaire:
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"Xbox Live is an online gaming service that works across both the current Xbox system and the future Xbox 2. You will be able to play online and compete against others across both consoles.

"If you are playing an Xbox game on Live you will be able to compete against people playing that same game on Xbox 2."</b>

Now what this would mean is that current XBOX games will be playable on the XBOX 360, otherwise how are XBOX and XBOX2 users going to be able to compete against each other. The other interesting thing about this is the text uses the name "XBOX 2" instead of XBOX 360. Which could mean all of this is false, or that at some point XBOX 2 was going to be the official name.

I think this rumor for now is corroborating what the purpose of the standalone HDD is, namely to allow b/c. I think this means that the XBOX 360 sans HDD will be fully functional on and offline. We all know that every XBOX 360 game will be LIVE aware, so this means the "basic" XBOX 360 will support LIVE. We all know that music playlist will be supported by the OS or dashboard, which also means you don't need a HDD to store music. And the most obvious, we all know that the only way to play the current XBOX games is with a HDD, which MS was against putting into the new machine.

So it appears, the answer, is to pass the cost of backward compat. and the hardrive on to the consumer who feels he may need it, who feels it is soooooo precious. Now, people can put their money where their mouth is. I think this is one way and one reason why the XBOX 360 will and can be cheaper than the PS3. If the PS3 includes a hdd, it will be more expensive.

I think we all know that for the most after a few months, backward compat. is a useless feature for most, but one that represents a permanent cost throughout the lifespan of the console.

What this also means is that the memory cards, rumoured to be 64 Megs will likely be able to store games and music, or there could be some dedicated memory internal designed to hold music and LIVE data, or MS could give each LIVE user storage space on servers as part of LIVE. Who knows.

This will be great news, as people like myself who have two XBOXes can trade one or both in to offset the costs of the new system and the hdd, and avoid having to buy memory cards. So for those people worried about b/c, I think this rumor can put you a little at ease.

[trebor]

Hello? Is there anybody in there?


I think this rumor for now is corroborating what the purpose of the standalone HDD is, namely to allow b/c. I think this means that the XBOX 360 sans HDD will be fully functional on and offline. We all know that every XBOX 360 game will be LIVE aware, so this means the "basic" XBOX 360 will support LIVE. We all know that music playlist will be supported by the OS or dashboard, which also means you don't need a HDD to store music. And the most obvious, we all know that the only way to play the current XBOX games is with a HDD, which MS was against putting into the new machine.

Ehhh...ok...a few thoughts here.

1) Just because a game might be "live aware" doesn't mean that you won't have to buy the Live package to play it online, which if my speculation holds true, will mean you'll have to buy the HDD in order to go online.

My Gamecube has games that are "online" (ok, only 2 games) but that doesn't mean **** unless I spend the money to buy the broadband adapter and pay for the online service.

2) Do you think it's a great "value" to it's own fanbase to charge for b/c? I mean, M$ has this fanbase sitting here, that already paid to play Xbox games, and they are now going to charge their own supporters twice to play the same games. That's what I'd call "alienation", my dear MG.


So it appears, the answer, is to pass the cost of backward compat. and the hardrive on to the consumer who feels he may need it, who feels it is soooooo precious. Now, people can put their money where their mouth is. I think this is one way and one reason why the XBOX 360 will and can be cheaper than the PS3. If the PS3 includes a hdd, it will be more expensive.

Yeah, but which console will give you the better overall value? The PS3, which might or might not be more expensive, that will include a HDD, a HD DVD player of some kind, and b/c?

- Or -

The low-end Xbox 2, which will have NO HDD, NO HD DVD player, NO b/c, and NO Live capabilities?

Hmmm, that's a toughy. :rolleyes:



I think we all know that for the most after a few months, backward compat. is a useless feature for most, but one that represents a permanent cost throughout the lifespan of the console.

Unless your a gamer like myself, who would find inherent value in b/c, because you never had an Xbox 1 in the first place. Or any other gamer who never owned an Xbox, who might find the Xbox2 more appealing if they could go back and pick up the better Xbox1 titles they missed the first time around.



What this also means is that the memory cards, rumoured to be 64 Megs will likely be able to store games and music, or there could be some dedicated memory internal designed to hold music and LIVE data, or MS could give each LIVE user storage space on servers as part of LIVE. Who knows.

Ahhh...Xbots, glaring contradictions and double standards abound.

Wasn't it all the resident Xbots around here who slammed both Sony and Nintendo for relying on memory cards, as cheap money grabs, while you snobbishly bragged about how they weren't necessary because of the innovative integrated HDD in your precious Xboxs?

I hope, as a matter of principle, that if Sony/Nintendo release their consoles with HDDs, and M$ does not, that you will dutifully buy the Sony/Nintendo consoles and bash M$ for use of memory cards.


This will be great news, as people like myself who have two XBOXes can trade one or both in to offset the costs of the new system and the hdd, and avoid having to buy memory cards. So for those people worried about b/c, I think this rumor can put you a little at ease.

Yeah...that is great news, seeing as how if I want to play Xbox 1 titles now, I'll either have to spend $150 for a system that will be dead in 6 months, or $400+ for the Xbox2 and the HDD add-on.

Frankly, I'd like to play some Xbox 1 titles, but if those are my two options, I'll just not.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Hello? Is there anybody in there?



Ehhh...ok...a few thoughts here.

1) Just because a game might be "live aware" doesn't mean that you won't have to buy the Live package to play it online, which if my speculation holds true, will mean you'll have to buy the HDD in order to go online.

My Gamecube has games that are "online" (ok, only 2 games) but that doesn't mean **** unless I spend the money to buy the broadband adapter and pay for the online service.

2) Do you think it's a great "value" to it's own fanbase to charge for b/c? I mean, M$ has this fanbase sitting here, that already paid to play Xbox games, and they are now going to charge their own supporters twice to play the same games. That's what I'd call "alienation", my dear MG.



Yeah, but which console will give you the better overall value? The PS3, which might or might not be more expensive, that will include a HDD, a HD DVD player of some kind, and b/c?

- Or -

The low-end Xbox 2, which will have NO HDD, NO HD DVD player, NO b/c, and NO Live capabilities?

Hmmm, that's a toughy. :rolleyes:




Unless your a gamer like myself, who would find inherent value in b/c, because you never had an Xbox 1 in the first place. Or any other gamer who never owned an Xbox, who might find the Xbox2 more appealing if they could go back and pick up the better Xbox1 titles they missed the first time around.




Ahhh...Xbots, glaring contradictions and double standards abound.

Wasn't it all the resident Xbots around here who slammed both Sony and Nintendo for relying on memory cards, as cheap money grabs, while you snobbishly bragged about how they weren't necessary because of the innovative integrated HDD in your precious Xboxs?

I hope, as a matter of principle, that if Sony/Nintendo release their consoles with HDDs, and M$ does not, that you will dutifully buy the Sony/Nintendo consoles and bash M$ for use of memory cards.



Yeah...that is great news, seeing as how if I want to play Xbox 1 titles now, I'll either have to spend $150 for a system that will be dead in 6 months, or $400+ for the Xbox2 and the HDD add-on.

Frankly, I'd like to play some Xbox 1 titles, but if those are my two options, I'll just not.


I understand the gist of your argument. But you have to come back to reality. The reality is simply that MS can not do what they did the first time. The reality is also for pirating issues, technical issues and lawsuits(namely Nvidia), MS has completely changed the guts or architecture of the system. I believe that this basic architecture could be the basis for the future generations of XBOX, thus making it much easier down the road to support B/C. But, in this case right now, this is the solution. Like it or leave it.

I happen to like it. Basically, here is the deal, for $249 or let's say $299, you get the basic XBOX 360. For another sum of money, let's say a maximum of $100, but maybe as lower, who knows, you get this hardrive package that will allow b/c, or as you believe online play. Now, as much as you don't like that, this kind of scenario is going to be likely. But, what do you get for that extra money? You never have to buy memory cards, and possibly get backward compat., you get access to LIVE probably for a year. Is it free, no it isn't free. Sorry. People like you lambasted MS for losing money, for having PC components, etc., now they've changed their business model Treb.

So, the question is, what will the competition offer. I'm not going to discuss Nintendo cause I have no idea what they are doing. You and others think that Sony is going to offer a hdd, b/c, and a beast of a system for $299, when the PSP was $249. I don't think that is being realistic. So, look for the price of PS3 to be $399. There could be different versions of the PS3 one cheaper, just like MS is doing. But assume its $400, that's the same price that XBOX 360 will probably be with the hardrive. Sony would be including these costs, where MS is clearly allowing separation and giving consumers choice.

We also don't know if Sony will have a hdd, this is a big assumption people are making about a company that has a history of raping their consumers for accessories. We don't know if Sony will have an online service, and how much it will cost. So don't go expecting Sony to give you all these features and services for the low low price of $299. That is a dream.

You are blasting MS for memory cards, XBOX has memory cards, every console has had memory cards. How is this a problem? Its only a problem cause XBOX had a "free" hdd, but you've got to get over the fact it won't be free this time. If you buy the hdd, then you can subtract the cost of a memory card or cards, and you can see the hdd is a great deal. Plus if the system is b/c, then you can trade in your XBOX, and also use that money to defract costs.

I never said a basic XBOX 360 won't require you to pay for LIVE. All i'm saying is that I believe you will be able to use LIVE without a hdd, obviously for the new games. In other words, I believe there may a solution where people who aren't concerned about b/c will be able to just buy the basic XBOX 360 and use LIVE with only memory cards. Remember, these memory cards attach to the unit and are reported to be 64mb, but could come in larger sizes. At this point, who knows.

Yes, B/C is more appealing, personally I don't care about it, but enough people do, so it appears MS has addressed the issue and will include it. Now, you are just mad cause its not free. The real deal is though you will be able to get the package at a reasonable costs and MS has covered all the bases. Now, if you and others want to allow, what effectively may turn out to be a $50 difference from the traditional price of a console($300) stand in the way of buying XBOX 360, you were never serious about buying it in the first place or giving it a chance. To make a rash decision against the system over about $50 is foolish considering you will own whatever console you buy for many years.

I can't wait to see the solutions from Sony and Nintendo, at least with Sony I think people will be shocked by the price, if they offer all the things comparable to what 360 is offering. But, yes, I would buy a PS3. I have two consoles now, two XBOXes. Ideally, i'd like my second console in the future to be different to play the best of both worlds. But i'm not going to buy a PS3 unless its worthy. The fact that I will buy an XBOX 360 tells you that I believe its worthy, I like what I see. The franchises, the console's tech, and a GREAT GREAT online service. If Sony has all three i'll be onboard. Nintendo is the only console I can say for certain I won't be onboard with.

[slade]

If they are using the harddrive for backwards compatibility does that mean you will have to download X-box games to the hard drive to play them?

[theWacoKid]

I love this guy. B/C is a useless feature for most. Yeah, unless you actually like games. Nintendo has cleaned up in the handheld arena. It should be noted that nintendo has made their handheld systems b/c. Its one of the main reasons for their dominance. Even the other day, I was sorely tempted to add the FFII/Chrono Trigger Double pack to my collection as these are two snes classic rpgs. Yeah, they've been redone for the ps1, but great games are great games.

MG is a typical new game junkie, that's all this guy is into, the new fix, just give me what's new. B/C is an important feature for anybody who's a smart gamer and doesn't have their head firmly up their ass. The whole backwards compatibility is useless nonsense came about because software development on the ps1 dropped off so dramatically when the ps2 showed up. As a result very few new ps1 games were released. But, in that first year of the ps2, I bought FFIX and would've bought more, but the well dried up in record time.

When you look at the handheld market, the gba game market still exists despite the DS and puts out some nifty little titles. In fact, at the moment, the better overall titles are being done on the gba. So, b/c on the DS is a huge feature, and the DS would be in big trouble without it. Its own lineup is relatively weak and still struggling. When I bought my DS, I quickly picked up 5 gba titles.

On the xbox2, not being able to play the likes of Halo 2, Forza, SC:CT, JE, BIA, Conker and among other games released in the last 12 months is a massive blow. Souped up graphics and your typically shallow launch software at elevated $60 pricing isn't exactly enticing. If I were a new xbox owner, I'd definitely want to be able to play the titles from the past 12 months, most of which I can pick up at reduced prices. Unless, of course, MG, wants to claim that all these games he's been raving about for the last few years are in fact nothing more than useless junk. I wouldn't even consider an xbox 360 at launch without b/c, and anyone who does has obviously no concept of value. Memory cards?! You got to be kidding me. Who goes backwards in the tech front?

[folken001]

Realistically, Xbox 360 will just be XBox with a faster CPU. M$ didn't spend all that much time on designing a console. Looking at the shape and architecture of xbox, you would wonder which zoo lend Bill Gate the monkeys to finish the job.

I wouldn't think it's a difficult task to accomplish.

Most important of all, just what the heck was on Xbox that ppls would want to play again. Halo 1+2, DOA beach valleyball and what else? That's right, nothing.

[Superior Beatslayer]

Realistically, Xbox 360 will just be XBox with a faster CPU.

Hello? Arrogance are you there? ah yes, there you are, right in the middle of 001's post.

[Cuddly Knife]

Most important of all, just what the heck was on Xbox that ppls would want to play again. Halo 1+2, DOA beach valleyball and what else? That's right, nothing.
Come on, man.

Ninja Gaiden
Doom 3
Metal SLug 3
Half-Life 2
Forza
Panzer Dragoon Orta
Stranger's Wrath
Munch's Oddessy
Jade Empire
And far superior versions of games such as GTAs, Splinter Cells, and Full Spectrum Warrior.
There are more, but I can't think of them.

And don't give me no beef about some of these games being PC games, because that doesn't matter to someone who plays strictly on consoles.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

<b>I love this guy. B/C is a useless feature for most. Yeah, unless you actually like games. Nintendo has cleaned up in the handheld arena. </b> I love this guy a hypocrite that takes a stance if XBOX 360 isn't b/c, yet praises Nintendo for b/c handhelds, while their console was not b/c. In the end, its a moot point anyway what I like, MS felt it was important so it will be there, nothing to whine about now.
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MG is a typical new game junkie, that's all this guy is into, the new fix, just give me what's new. B/C is an important feature for anybody who's a smart gamer and doesn't have their head firmly up their ass. The whole backwards compatibility is useless nonsense came about because software development on the ps1 dropped off so dramatically when the ps2 showed up. As a result very few new ps1 games were released. But, in that first year of the ps2, I bought FFIX and would've bought more, but the well dried up in record time.</b> Yeah, new games use to be important around here until Sony and GC started sucking at them. Now all of a sudden, new games are a bad thing. Now people are willing to hold on to these current consoles until 2007, people don't expect anything new from the nextgen aside from better graphics. You guys are dinosaur gamer's and gaming has passed you buy. HD gaming, online gaming, features and services, wireless and wi-fi, this is stuff that none of you guys are using or care about. Many of you are still playing 2D fighters, and turn based J-RPGs, my Treo is powerful enough for that, so of course you guys don't care about nextgen. And talk about someone who has their head up their ass. You are a guy who hates a console, falls in love with the console, then hates it again, spends money on products he is not sure he isn't going to like, buys every game for that system, then sells it all back. Get a spine. You bought wayyy more XBOX games than I did, so I don't who you are calling a new game Junkie. As if Motogp2, Toca2 were old, I've missed plenty of new AAA xbox games including Fable, Jade Empire, and KOTOR. I actually do play games though, and finish them, and if i'm not playing the game online, I return it and get some moolah back. I don't see anything wrong with that. There are too many good games coming out on XBOX to hold on and replay single player games. I finish games once usually on the hardest setting so i'm not curious if I should play it again. You guys think games are wine or something.

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On the xbox2, not being able to play the likes of Halo 2, Forza, SC:CT, JE, BIA, Conker and among other games released in the last 12 months is a massive blow. Souped up graphics and your typically shallow launch software at elevated $60 pricing isn't exactly enticing. If I were a new xbox owner, I'd definitely want to be able to play the titles from the past 12 months, most of which I can pick up at reduced prices. Unless, of course, MG, wants to claim that all these games he's been raving about for the last few years are in fact nothing more than useless junk. I wouldn't even consider an xbox 360 at launch without b/c, and anyone who does has obviously no concept of value. Memory cards?! You got to be kidding me. Who goes backwards in the tech front?</b> All these games are great, but they are XBOX games. And if you didn't throw away your XBOX you wouldn't be in a spot where you have to pray XBOX 360 is b/c(which it will be so stop your crying, you aren't going to change my opinion). A nextgen console should be good enough and have good enough games to stand on its own, I doubt XBOX 360 will have to stand on XBOX games. If that is the case, the console will be in trouble. Its simple you buy an XBOX 360 to play XBOX 360 games. And if there aren't games there that make gamers forget about this generation, the console has failed. That's exactly why the PS2 failed to convice me to buy it at launch. It launched with sub-par games even for Dreamcast. I guess you guys are use to that and don't expect anything good at launch, which is why b/c is important to the Sony crowd. I think people who will want XBOX 360 expect to really get something special at launch. And I love the people who think PD:0 is not a NextGen property. These people know absolutely nothing about this game, nobody knows anything about this game. This game will not look, sound or taste anything like that N64 game, how people know that this game could have been done on XBOX is a mystery to me. Sure, a Perfect Dark game could have been made for XBOX, but it wouldn't have been the same game that this one for XBOX 360 will be.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Realistically, Xbox 360 will just be XBox with a faster CPU. M$ didn't spend all that much time on designing a console. Looking at the shape and architecture of xbox, you would wonder which zoo lend Bill Gate the monkeys to finish the job.

I wouldn't think it's a difficult task to accomplish.

Most important of all, just what the heck was on Xbox that ppls would want to play again. Halo 1+2, DOA beach valleyball and what else? That's right, nothing.

Folken is a funny, you have to kind of feel sorry for the guy. I can just see him as a kid, getting on the small bus with his Plastic Man lunch box, plaid shirt, mouth retainer. Keep trying Folken, i'm rootin' for ya man, you are normal.

[slade]

Ya' know, it's funny that the guy that criticized people for owning more then one console and spending so much money is the same guy that can't wait for the next generation to get started. What's the matter, your current console not satisfying you enough? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Horngreen]

Realistically, Xbox 360 will just be XBox with a faster CPU. M$ didn't spend all that much time on designing a console. Looking at the shape and architecture of xbox, you would wonder which zoo lend Bill Gate the monkeys to finish the job.

I wouldn't think it's a difficult task to accomplish.

Most important of all, just what the heck was on Xbox that ppls would want to play again. Halo 1+2, DOA beach valleyball and what else? That's right, nothing.

LOL Did you finish school? Write this so it can be understood and some of us might respond to it.

[Darwin]

You are a guy who hates a console, falls in love with the console, then hates it again, spends money on products he is not sure he isn't going to like, buys every game for that system, then sells it all back. You bought wayyy more XBOX games than I did, so I don't who you are calling a new game Junkie.

You might be confusing WackoKid with Gamer_From_78.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Ya' know, it's funny that the guy that criticized people for owning more then one console and spending so much money is the same guy that can't wait for the next generation to get started. What's the matter, your current console not satisfying you enough? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nope its not, I hate the thing, I shoulda got a PS2, I could be playing Rachet and Clank right now!

Actually I'm not criticizing MS for launching soon, as you guys are. I have two XBOXes son, if MS launches this fall you can bet i'll take advantage of trading one of them in, and getting in early on XBOX 360 and playing some great games. Not missing out like so many people did with Halo.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

You might be confusing WackoKid with Gamer_From_78.


Nah he said he flipped a while ago, said he traded in all his XBOX stuff for a PSP I think. Yo man, i'm getting there with Doom3. I have made it to the monorail. Even though the game didn't meet my expectations, I still have until Tuesday or Wednesday to finish it. The chainsaw has made the game infinitely easier, almost unbalances the game.

[theWacoKid]

You are a guy who hates a console, falls in love with the console, then hates it again, spends money on products he is not sure he isn't going to like, buys every game for that system, then sells it all back. Get a spine. You bought wayyy more XBOX games than I did, so I don't who you are calling a new game Junkie.

I got a question for you , how would you know. Do you know what games I've bought for the xbox. To begin with knucklehead, show me in my posting history where I was ever in love with the xbox. I owned an xbox for basically 3 years and a bit and where do you see me saying anything negative about the psp or saying, oh, man, what a mistake I made. I own 4 games for the psp, wow, looks like I bought out the whole psp gaming library. I actually considered dumping the ps2 as well to just concentrate on handheld gaming for a while. You're demented, and you've confused with me someone else, that's what happens when you try to escape reality and all your "friends" are cyberentitiies on xbox live.

You leap immediately on any new xbox live title like a junkie looking for his new street corner crack dealer. The games I bought new for the xbox were all trade in non-cash deals. Halo 2 and Fable were my last two new game purchases for the xbox. I typically don't buy new unless they're bargain games or trade in deals. You've got issues, deal with them. All you do is take a stance, I hate this, I hate that. blah, blah, blah. You wouldn't know a good game if it bit you in the ass. That's why you put down everything that isn't in your pathetically limited range of taste. Mr. I gotta get my jollies from killing stuff or racing real fast. You're a bloody loser as a gamer, because you can't appreciate a game concept for its own sake, it has to be on your precious xbox system to be worthy of your limited attention. You're totally pathetic, you don't even deserve to be called a gamer. You're compensating for your own lack of success in life, by playing simulation games so you'll feel like a real hero. They're games, that's all they are. They're not reality, and I hope I never become so jaded that I'll close myself off to new game experiences the way you do. Ohh, I can't play a blue racoon, because it doesn't make me feel like a man, I need a big chaingun in my hand to feel good about myself.

Primitives like you were part of the reason I loathed the xbox live experience. Losers in life who need to compensate on the internet with their gaming and somehow prove themselves and had to be ultra competitive. I game for fun and diversion, and racking up a kill count on Halo 2 or whatever fps is trendy at the moment doesn't interest me in the least.

[Darwin]

. The chainsaw has made the game infinitely easier, almost unbalances the game.

Yeah, a bit. The "ballance" of the chainsaw is supposed to be it's noise that overshadows everything else and doesn't allow you to hear the monsters around the corner.

Personally, I loved the chainsaw. It was a nice option. Pretty much replaced the shotgun for me. It is extremely useful against the Imps and the Cacodemons.

The game does get significantly harder once you reach a certain level, and remains that way until the end.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

I got a question for you , how would you know. Do you know what games I've bought for the xbox. To begin with knucklehead, show me in my posting history where I was ever in love with the xbox. I owned an xbox for basically 3 years and a bit and where do you see me saying anything negative about the psp or saying, oh, man, what a mistake I made. I own 4 games for the psp, wow, looks like I bought out the whole psp gaming library. I actually considered dumping the ps2 as well to just concentrate on handheld gaming for a while. You're demented, and you've confused with me someone else, that's what happens when you try to escape reality and all your "friends" are cyberentitiies on xbox live.

You leap immediately on any new xbox live title like a junkie looking for his new street corner crack dealer. The games I bought new for the xbox were all trade in non-cash deals. Halo 2 and Fable were my last two new game purchases for the xbox. I typically don't buy new unless they're bargain games or trade in deals. You've got issues, deal with them. All you do is take a stance, I hate this, I hate that. blah, blah, blah. You wouldn't know a good game if it bit you in the ass. That's why you put down everything that isn't in your pathetically limited range of taste. Mr. I gotta get my jollies from killing stuff or racing real fast. You're a bloody loser as a gamer, because you can't appreciate a game concept for its own sake, it has to be on your precious xbox system to be worthy of your limited attention. You're totally pathetic, you don't even deserve to be called a gamer. You're compensating for your own lack of success in life, by playing simulation games so you'll feel like a real hero. They're games, that's all they are. They're not reality, and I hope I never become so jaded that I'll close myself off to new game experiences the way you do. Ohh, I can't play a blue racoon, because it doesn't make me feel like a man, I need a big chaingun in my hand to feel good about myself.

Primitives like you were part of the reason I loathed the xbox live experience. Losers in life who need to compensate on the internet with their gaming and somehow prove themselves and had to be ultra competitive. I game for fun and diversion, and racking up a kill count on Halo 2 or whatever fps is trendy at the moment doesn't interest me in the least.

See we do have something in common, I also just can't get into "racking up kill counts" in Halo2 either. I'm close to being cool, but not like you man, you're the king, naw man the KANG! Hey man, wanna sell me your PSP?, you can flip it and get that new Gizmondo. Come on i'll give you $50 for it!

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Yeah, a bit. The "ballance" of the chainsaw is supposed to be it's noise that overshadows everything else and doesn't allow you to hear the monsters around the corner.

Personally, I loved the chainsaw. It was a nice option. Pretty much replaced the shotgun for me. It is extremely useful against the Imps and the Cacodemons.

The game does get significantly harder once you reach a certain level, and remains that way until the end.

Man I use that chainsaw for everything, those rocket launcher guys, I just back-up around a corner, wait for them to come thru and then mow 'em down, ditto for the fireball guys. I made it to section 3 of the recycling waste area, and I ran into those big fat 'double canons for hands' guys. Might not get much further, won't have too much play time before Wednesday. And honestly after spending much of today playing Doom3, I didn't enjoy it. Ah well, this will be the first game in a long time I don't finish.

[slade]

TMG doesn't care about backwards compatibility cause he has two X-box's. Now, it's all starting to make sense. He does care about b/c but because MS had seemingly chosen to ignore it, he couldn't let us on.

Tsk tsk, TMG, I expected better from a man that criticizes others for spending too much time on gaming.

You're demented, and you've confused with me someone else, that's what happens when you try to escape reality and all your "friends" are cyberentitiies on xbox live.

Expect that to happen a lot when you're arguing with TMG. As soon as his initial argument goes down the toilet, he starts inventing stuff about people. I'd give him an A for imagination but sadly, his stories have become old, so he only warrants a :rolleyes: nowadays.

[theWacoKid]

TMG doesn't care about backwards compatibility cause he has two X-box's. Now, it's all starting to make sense. He does care about b/c but because MS had seemingly chosen to ignore it, he couldn't let us on.

Tsk tsk, TMG, I expected better from a man that criticizes others for spending too much time on gaming.

Expect that to happen a lot when you're arguing with TMG. As soon as his initial argument goes down the toilet, he starts inventing stuff about people. I'd give him an A for imagination but sadly, his stories have become old, so he only warrants a :rolleyes: nowadays.

I think it needs to be stated for the record, that MS will be the first company charging $100 more for b/c. And who does he think he's kidding about memory cards. i owned an xbox for three years and never used a mem card and all the people I knew with an xbox, not one bought a mem card. It's a step back, not to mention an additional expense. When you take that proposed $299 base console, add in the price of a mem card, what's the effin point? 64 meg card. You know that MS will price it at about the $40 price point at least. So that means, an extra $60 gets you the hd version. About the only people going for the so called base model, will be those born at the shallow end of the gene pool like TMG. The base model is a smoke screen, its their for advertising purposes, so MS can do its bait and switch gambit, advertise the xbox 360 at $299 when in reality you're looking at $399. It's just like that urban legend, the standalone xbox at $149 that nobody can ever seem to locate. In canada, I haven't seen a standalone xbox anywhere in effin ages. It simply doesn't exist. Every system consists of some bloody bundle, whatever the new soup de jour happens to be.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

I think it needs to be stated for the record, that MS will be the first company charging $100 more for b/c. And who does he think he's kidding about memory cards. i owned an xbox for three years and never used a mem card and all the people I knew with an xbox, not one bought a mem card. It's a step back, not to mention an additional expense. When you take that proposed $299 base console, add in the price of a mem card, what's the effin point? 64 meg card. You know that MS will price it at about the $40 price point at least. So that means, an extra $60 gets you the hd version. About the only people going for the so called base model, will be those born at the shallow end of the gene pool like TMG. The base model is a smoke screen, its their for advertising purposes, so MS can do its bait and switch gambit, advertise the xbox 360 at $299 when in reality you're looking at $399. It's just like that urban legend, the standalone xbox at $149 that nobody can ever seem to locate. In canada, I haven't seen a standalone xbox anywhere in effin ages. It simply doesn't exist. Every system consists of some bloody bundle, whatever the new soup de jour happens to be.

Wow this is classic, Slade and Waco both so concerned that XBOX 360 will be a great console, already starting the propoganda war. "LET ME BE FIRST TO GO ON RECORD..."
Dude, blow it out your rear, nobody cares about you going on record. All of your combined huffing and puffing about b/c doesn't amount to a hill a beans. The real deal is you guys are both upset that XBOX 360 will be b/c. lol. Let's face it, you guys were all ready to trash XBOX 360 over this issue, and now that it has the feature you guys don't know what to say any more. Now you are left to figure out whether little ole me, really likes b/c or not. Sad, fellas get off tha sack. Damn got Slade on the left one, Waco on the right one.

XBOX 360 is b/c and will be one hard unit for PS3 to beat, and I wouldn't be so brash to take MS to task over price. Just wait till you see the price for the PS3, when it is announced I can't wait to hear the hipocrisy. "Ohhh but the PS3 is using gold semiconductors and stores data on water molecules, $500 is a great price for it." I can see the double standards now.

Hey I have an easy solution for both you ahem gentlemen, just don't buy the XBOX 360. Waco it will save you money cause you know you will just flip 3 months later and get beat for about $200 cash, and Slade I highly doubt that Street Fighter is going to be a launch title, and I don't know if there will be a 75ohm coaxial hook-up for your Zenith anyway.

[mandark]

<b>
Eurogamer.net
"Xbox Live is an online gaming service that works across both the current Xbox system and the future Xbox 2. You will be able to play online and compete against others across both consoles.

"If you are playing an Xbox game on Live you will be able to compete against people playing that same game on Xbox 2."</b>

That sure was a great deal of speculations based off 3 sentences. Whats amazing to me is how can one derive all those speculations when all those 3 sentences told me was basically: "X-box console gamers can play against X-box 2 console gamers on LIVE because LIVE will support both consoles." I cannot even fathom all the speculations made by TMG if I encounter such very limited news. But then again if a man is dying of thirst, a drop of water from a the latrine of a passing aircraft will seem like a rainstorm to the dying man. Even though the water was yellow.

[theWacoKid]

Wow this is classic, Slade and Waco both so concerned that XBOX 360 will be a great console, already starting the propoganda war. "LET ME BE FIRST TO GO ON RECORD..."
Dude, blow it out your rear, nobody cares about you going on record. All of your combined huffing and puffing about b/c doesn't amount to a hill a beans. The real deal is you guys are both upset that XBOX 360 will be b/c. lol. Let's face it, you guys were all ready to trash XBOX 360 over this issue, and now that it has the feature you guys don't know what to say any more. Now you are left to figure out whether little ole me, really likes b/c or not. Sad, fellas get off tha sack. Damn got Slade on the left one, Waco on the right one.

XBOX 360 is b/c and will be one hard unit for PS3 to beat, and I wouldn't be so brash to take MS to task over price. Just wait till you see the price for the PS3, when it is announced I can't wait to hear the hipocrisy. "Ohhh but the PS3 is using gold semiconductors and stores data on water molecules, $500 is a great price for it." I can see the double standards now.

Hey I have an easy solution for both you ahem gentlemen, just don't buy the XBOX 360. Waco it will save you money cause you know you will just flip 3 months later and get beat for about $200 cash, and Slade I highly doubt that Street Fighter is going to be a launch title, and I don't know if there will be a 75ohm coaxial hook-up for your Zenith anyway.
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You're the goof stating b/c is useless, certainly not me. Learn to read, you bloody neanderthal, I've stated that I wouldn't even consider xbox 360 as a console if it weren't b/c. So, why would I be upset that 360 might be supporting b/c via the hd? Do you even think before you type, or do you bang on the keys like some deranged monkey. .

Second, I've already stated, that I have no intention of purchasing any of the next gen consoles unitl they're all out, and that means it will probably be a good two years before I actually decide on one. So, you see, unlike you who'll there on launch day in an effin lineup, so you can play halo 2.5 and PGR3, so, you can be the first on the block to say you have and so you can enjoy the snazzy new xbox live interface as you get down with your live submental homies, I could frickin' care less.

You see, unlike you, I actually like a variety of games, and can respect the efforts of various publishers and console providers. I owned an xbox for 3 years, when it comes to the xbox, I know what I"m talking about. Unlike you and your ps2 bashing which consists of playing ps2 ports on the xbox, and going, this sucks. You nothing about the ps2 and the cube and frankly, you don't know much about the xbox either, unless its an fps or a racing game.

You're a joke. You can't formulate a cogent thought, stick to a thru line in an argument or make any kind of salient point. MS is hosing people down with the hard drive option, which really isn't an option. They should just release it a $399 price point and be done with it, but they're going to stick with this $299 base unit in limited quantities, because it sounds nice for the advertising. When everything is said and done, $399 is what you'll be looking at and that was my prediction from way back. I dont' have to make a decision, because I don't care one way or the other, because I'm not buying an xbox 360 this year or even next year. This is your problem and you STILL haven't answered the question.

If b/c is useless, then arent' the games your're raving about now on the xbox, essentially CRAP? WELL? Waiting to hear from you. Care to respond? Only a new game junkie whore would respond yes. But, then that pretty much sums you up, now, doesn't it? Just your crack ho looking for his next fix.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

That sure was a great deal of speculations based off 3 sentences. Whats amazing to me is how can one derive all those speculations when all those 3 sentences told me was basically: "X-box console gamers can play against X-box 2 console gamers on LIVE because LIVE will support both consoles." I cannot even fathom all the speculations made by TMG if I encounter such very limited news. But then again if a man is dying of thirst, a drop of water from a the latrine of a passing aircraft will seem like a rainstorm to the dying man. Even though the water was yellow.

Well, let's see. Gamespot, based on the same surveys, think this rumor is NOT BOGUS. Eurogamer and other sites think the rumor is likely to be true also. I don't know why you think its so hard to believe. Let me break it down for you. If you have an XBOX and an XBOX 360 and you can play them together over LIVE, it means you will be playing an XBOX game on both systems, simply because XBOX 360 games can't be played on XBOX. So by default, it means XBOX 360 will be compatiable with XBOX games. As far as your attempt at witty humor, it failed.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

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You're the goof stating b/c is useless, certainly not me. Learn to read, you bloody neanderthal, I've stated that I wouldn't even consider xbox 360 as a console if it weren't b/c. So, why would I be upset that 360 might be supporting b/c via the hd? Do you even think before you type, or do you bang on the keys like some deranged monkey. </b>

The only thing I bang on like a deranged monkey is your mama son. As far as what you've stated, does it matter? You'll be flipping your point of view a few months down the road, just like you always do. Your just a born sucker that's easily departed from his $$$ if you ask me. Yes I think b/c is a useless feature in terms of paying for the cost of this feature long-term when the benefit is short-term, especially when people can keep their current console. You stated you like b/c, why does it upset you so that I don't agree with you? I feel bad for you, you get mad like a child if someone opposes your view.

<b>
Second, I've already stated, that I have no intention of purchasing any of the next gen consoles unitl they're all out, and that means it will probably be a good two years before I actually decide on one. So, you see, unlike you who'll there on launch day in an effin lineup, so you can play halo 2.5 and PGR3, so, you can be the first on the block to say you have and so you can enjoy the snazzy new xbox live interface as you get down with your live submental homies, I could frickin' care less.</b>I'd put the intellect of my "submental" homies above yours any day of the week. I mean you show the characteristics of an anti-social loser. You can not even go onto a service like XBOX LIVE with millions of users and find people that you can game with, then you call all of XBOX LIVE losers and jerks. Now come on, I think anyone but the most unagreeable person, can find people to game with on LIVE. If not, then guess what, its you who is the idiot anti-social loser. So stay off live and play Mario Kart with your momma in her basement.

Far as being there day one for XBOX 360. Yes, I am very satisfied with XBOX and XBOX franchises and XBOX LIVE. So I believe in speaking with my dollars and i'll be glad to support MS so I can at least have one game provider I know I can count on to deliver the games and services I like.

<b>
You see, unlike you, I actually like a variety of games, and can respect the efforts of various publishers and console providers. I owned an xbox for 3 years, when it comes to the xbox, I know what I"m talking about. Unlike you and your ps2 bashing which consists of playing ps2 ports on the xbox, and going, this sucks. You nothing about the ps2 and the cube and frankly, you don't know much about the xbox either, unless its an fps or a racing game. </b> No, you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to games. You are the idiot who just posted in another thread that Forza doesn't matter cause it won't out sell Gran Toursimo 4. And now you claim you know what games are about. You are a complete joke who has no gaming credibility. And sorry, I haven't played a PS2 port since either Metal Gear or Red Faction 2, can't remember. Its true the PS2 ports i've played, though better XBOX versions, I found not up to par with XBOX quality games. If you can't see why, then you are lying to yourself.

But, unlike you, I don't game with my heart, I game with my head. The PS2 was a piece of crap this generation. I'm sorry it was. But if the PS3 is a tech beast and has a good online service and great games, i'll buy it. There won't be any reason to not buy it. And i'll praise and judge it based on the games that I play and enjoy. Now, we can revisit this in a few years and see who was a man of their word. People think I "hate" Sony, that's stupid, i've always bought Sony products. People think I love MS, well I can tell you I hate Windows and since I no longer game on the PC, all my future PCs will be MACs, and I wish I had bought one instead of the last PC I put together. I don't "love" companies, I love great products. And the PS2 just wasn't great. GM still sells the most cars, but they don't make the best cars in the world do they?

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You're a joke. You can't formulate a cogent thought, stick to a thru line in an argument or make any kind of salient point. MS is hosing people down with the hard drive option, which really isn't an option. They should just release it a $399 price point and be done with it, but they're going to stick with this $299 base unit in limited quantities, because it sounds nice for the advertising. When everything is said and done, $399 is what you'll be looking at and that was my prediction from way back. I dont' have to make a decision, because I don't care one way or the other, because I'm not buying an xbox 360 this year or even next year. This is your problem and you STILL haven't answered the question.

If b/c is useless, then arent' the games your're raving about now on the xbox, essentially CRAP? WELL? Waiting to hear from you. Care to respond? Only a new game junkie whore would respond yes. But, then that pretty much sums you up, now, doesn't it? Just your crack ho looking for his next fix.</b>

Well, if i'm a joke I think you've demonstrated you've been a fool this entire generation. Owning practically every type of gaming device released this generation, selling some back and re-purchasing them all in a desperate search to find some type of satisfaction this generation. Myself, joke I may be, have enjoyed this generation year over year, despite not owning everything you have owned. I've seen the best this generation has to offer and been on the cutting edge in terms of being online, in HD, and dolby digital and playing the games I like. Which is what its all about. I don't have to play everything, that is not my goal. My goal is to play what I like and even with that goal, I still didn't have time to play everything I wanted to on XBOX.

Now you say MS is stupid and should release a $399 console and not a lower priced unit. You are a fool with no business sense. I've told you already b/c is a short-term feature. Now in a year or so, nobody is going to care about b/c. So which version of the console do you think will be the most attractive option then? How about 3 years from now, when absolutely no one earth will care about b/c, which version is it better to buy then? The one that is $100 soley because of b/c, or the one that does everything you want it do, but is $100 less and is not b/c. This could become a competitive advantage in terms of price in a few years, cause in a few years, people won't care about b/c.

Now, you ask if b/c is useless aren't the games i'm raving about crap? I've already answered this question many times. Assuming XBOX 360 is not b/c(though we know it is now) A PERSON CAN KEEP THEIR XBOX AND CONTINUE TO USE IT. See, your problem is you buy and trade so much hardware, you can't understand keeping a piece of hardware until you decide you don't need it anymore. Both you and Gadfly think that when XBOX 360 comes out, current XBOXes will stop working. Clown the XBOX will have a great Christmas this year. You have Rainbow 6, Forza, Half-life2, Conker, all out on the system by XMAS this year.

But, back to reality, the XBOX 360, regardless of whether I like or not, will allow b/c via a hdd peripheral. Then since MS is going to support this functionality, of course I'll take advantage of it. I'm not gonna be stubborn about. They are supporting it, so it will be a chance to cash in with both of my XBOXes, buy an XBOX 360 and continue to play games like Forza, Half-life 2, and SC:CT, as well as the new crack fixes as you say like Elder Scrolls Oblivion and Perfect Dark: 0.

Too bad you stupidly traded your XBOX in too soon. Not only are you going to miss out on Forza, SC:CT, Conker, Rainbow6, Oddworld Strangers, Jade Empire, Half-life2, Doom3, you also will miss out on the chance to then trade in your XBOX and continue to play those games and play PD:0, Oblivion and others. Too bad, like a fool, you traded in your XBOX to buy a PSP so you could play a watered down version of the awful Ridge Racer and Twisted Metal. I mean you call me a crackhead when it comes to new games, you are truely a crack head, selling anything and everything for a few bucks, squandered on an over-priced over hyped handheld and you have the nerve to criticize the XBOX 360. But, you are true to your word in one sense, you did spend all that money on a PSP which is backward compatiable, now you get to play old azz PS2 games that weren't any good anyway. I'm done with you, i'll let you get the last word, tell your mom's too stop blowin' up my cell.

[theWacoKid]

I'm not even going to bother reading all your inane ramblings. What systems have I repurchased? You claim to know,, so list them off. Don't be shy, you got a big mouth, so let's hear. What system did I sell off and repurchase, tell me, because I'd really love to know and so would the whole board. I love reading your total and complete and utter BS, because that's the only thing you seem to know anything about.

And sorry, but I do consider you submental. You're not a gamer, you never have been, you never will be. You're like a guy eating nothing buy burgers and fries his whole life who wants to claim he's a food gourmet. Sorry, but life doesn't work like that. Your range of gaming and what you can appreciate is so limited, its positively painful to watch. It must irk you to no end, that 80 million ps2 units have been sold essentially refuting your moronic contention that the ps2 is a piece of crap.

As for selling off my xbox early, thats your viewpoint. I don't have a problem with it. I don't miss the xbox or the cube. I like the psp, I like Ridge Racer. Its fun, something you wouldn't know anything about due to you being an insecure jerk, who has to buy whatever he thinks is the most powerful, because he lacks the capacity to choose what might be the most interesting or fun.

You represent everything I hated about the guys on xbox live, arrogant ultra competitive insecure know it alls, who couldn't enjoy themselves in a game if their life depended on it. You're an individual totally lacking in any imagination. You said it all, when you said, I game with my head, not with my heart. That makes you someone to feel sorry for, to pity. Games, like movies and music should capture the heart and the imagination. You have neither.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

I'm not even going to bother reading all your inane ramblings. What systems have I repurchased? You claim to know,, so list them off. Don't be shy, you got a big mouth, so let's hear. What system did I sell off and repurchase, tell me, because I'd really love to know and so would the whole board. I love reading your total and complete and utter BS, because that's the only thing you seem to know anything about.

And sorry, but I do consider you submental. You're not a gamer, you never have been, you never will be. You're like a guy eating nothing buy burgers and fries his whole life who wants to claim he's a food gourmet. Sorry, but life doesn't work like that. Your range of gaming and what you can appreciate is so limited, its positively painful to watch. It must irk you to no end, that 80 million ps2 units have been sold essentially refuting your moronic contention that the ps2 is a piece of crap.

As for selling off my xbox early, thats your viewpoint. I don't have a problem with it. I don't miss the xbox or the cube. I like the psp, I like Ridge Racer. Its fun, something you wouldn't know anything about due to you being an insecure jerk, who has to buy whatever he thinks is the most powerful, because he lacks the capacity to choose what might be the most interesting or fun.

You represent everything I hated about the guys on xbox live, arrogant ultra competitive insecure know it alls, who couldn't enjoy themselves in a game if their life depended on it. You're an individual totally lacking in any imagination. You said it all, when you said, I game with my head, not with my heart. That makes you someone to feel sorry for, to pity. Games, like movies and music should capture the heart and the imagination. You have neither.

Like I said, I'd let you have the last word. On to the next debate.

[theWacoKid]

Like I said, I'd let you have the last word. On to the next debate.

Typical, you don't answer whats been asked, you just slither away. You got a big mouth, TMG, so let's hear it, what systems did I sell off and then repurchase. I'm waiting. You make these BS claims, you lie out your rear about what people say and do, so put up or shut up. I don't want to hear from you about what I've said or what I've bought because I know what I"ve said and bought. I don't make any bones about it. I"ve been very upfront in this forum about my purchases and sales. I dont' hide anything, I don't make up stories. So, what systems did I sell off and repurchase?

C'mon man, simple, question, answer it. This is what you said, boyo,

"Owning practically every type of gaming device released this generation, selling some back and re-purchasing them all in a desperate search to find some type of satisfaction this generation."

I'm waiting, what did I sell off and repurchase? You got the balls to answer, or you going to do the dummy thing.

[slade]

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LOL, there you go making up stuff again. Still, you only get a C from me. Not like your early, 'Burnout 2 only has six tracks,' days. Now those days, you were able to take a statement as ludicrous as that and spin five paragraphs about how I much I loved Red Faction 2. Your current efforts are lacking.

[Jupiter_x]

I game for fun and diversion, and racking up a kill count on Halo 2 or whatever fps is trendy at the moment doesn't interest me in the least.

Online gaming? I simply don't see all the hype! I have played online games and they are fun no doubt, but I consider them more of a temporary fix. Online gaming is what I call "Quick hyper gaming", similar to flicking on the old 8-16 bit shooters for 10 or 20 minutes, racking up a high score/high frag and tons of repetition. This gets old really fast! I much prefer single player games with a good story!

I generally have two modes of gaming:

1. The 4-5 hour gaming mode - Playing story driven, well thought out action games, Survival horror, RPGs, Adventure games!

2. The Quick action 10-20 minute gaming Mode - These are primarily games I play with friends who drop by. These games are generally: Racing, Fighters, Online shooters!

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Online gaming? I simply don't see all the hype! I have played online games and they are fun no doubt, but I consider them more of a temporary fix. Online gaming is what I call "Quick hyper gaming", similar to flicking on the old 8-16 bit shooters for 10 or 20 minutes, racking up a high score/high frag and tons of repetition. This gets old really fast! I much prefer single player games with a good story!

I generally have two modes of gaming:

1. The 4-5 hour gaming mode - Playing story driven, well thought out action games, Survival horror, RPGs, Adventure games!

2. The Quick action 10-20 minute gaming Mode - These are primarily games I play with friends who drop by. These games are generally: Racing, Fighters, Online shooters!

I just bought JE finished it also this year I've bought and finished Oddworld, RE4, GOW, Mercenaries,. I don't play any of these games anymore. You know what I'm going to play tonight? Halo 2 on live. Single player games just doesn't do it for me anymore. The stories in most games are bad. Even the good ones are just good for videogames. The main reason being is that the pacing is usually thrown off because they basically have to tell a 2to3 hr story in anywhere from 10 (which by most gamers standards is too short) to up to 40hrs (like some RPG's). And then after that what? Do it all again for a different ending? No thanks. You like most non online gamers on this board take the worst generalizations of online gaming and act like that's all there is to it. I just signed up for Gamefly today and my first game through them will be Psychonaughts it will take something truly special for a single player game to ever get my money again. Maybe Elderscrolls oblivion or a PC game since you really can't rent those but I'm finished with buying Single player games. Give me the dynamic gameplay that is only achieved when playeing with other people.

[Jupiter_x]

I just bought JE finished it also this year I've bought and finished Oddworld, RE4, GOW, Mercenaries,. I don't play any of these games anymore. You know what I'm going to play tonight? Halo 2 on live. Single player games just doesn't do it for me anymore. The stories in most games are bad. Even the good ones are just good for videogames. The main reason being is that the pacing is usually thrown off because they basically have to tell a 2to3 hr story in anywhere from 10 (which by most gamers standards is too short) to up to 40hrs (like some RPG's). And then after that what? Do it all again for a different ending? No thanks. You like most non online gamers on this board take the worst generalizations of online gaming and act like that's all there is to it. I just signed up for Gamefly today and my first game through them will be Psychonaughts it will take something truly special for a single player game to ever get my money again. Maybe Elderscrolls oblivion or a PC game since you really can't rent those but I'm finished with buying Single player games. Give me the dynamic gameplay that is only achieved when playeing with other people.


If online gaming had some kind of progression (ie: Doom 3 Co-op, Everquest-without the insane fees) I would absolutely love it! If I could play Zelda, Metroid, Elderscrolls, Halo 1-2, Splinter Cell, Metal Gear online and progressively play through them at any time...I would think I had died and gone to gaming heaven! However most multiplayer and online games are simply: Deathmatch, CTF, Team DM, Team CTF, Assult, Team Assult...bla bla bla.....Over and over and over and over................boring! :o

I am not that good with these online games anyway, I find I am dead and waiting to respawn more than playing the damn game anyway...and I am a very experienced gamer!

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Online gaming? I simply don't see all the hype! I have played online games and they are fun no doubt, but I consider them more of a temporary fix. Online gaming is what I call "Quick hyper gaming", similar to flicking on the old 8-16 bit shooters for 10 or 20 minutes, racking up a high score/high frag and tons of repetition. This gets old really fast! I much prefer single player games with a good story!

I generally have two modes of gaming:

1. The 4-5 hour gaming mode - Playing story driven, well thought out action games, Survival horror, RPGs, Adventure games!

2. The Quick action 10-20 minute gaming Mode - These are primarily games I play with friends who drop by. These games are generally: Racing, Fighters, Online shooters!

Wacko doesn't game online so he has no idea what he's talking about. I don't even play Halo2 online. And though twitch shooters are popular online I don't play them and most of the people on my friends list don't. I know Methadone rarely plays them, even Halo2. I've played Halo2 online maybe 3 or 4 times when it first came out. While there is nothing wrong with fragfest and twitch shooters and these "Quick Hyper" games, it is possible to completely avoid that type of gaming on LIVE and play deep complex shooters. I only play cooperative shooters, where you are working as a team to accomplish goals, or games such as SC:CT and PT where the game is more about strategy as opposed to fragging. And on the racing scene the same thing can be said. You can get into the ultra competitive crash fest like PGR2 and Burnout3 and NFS, but I focus more on the driving games that reward skill. Also there are certain games where you can play the single player campaign online cooperatively, hopefully more of these games will come along. Perfect Dark will have this capability. All the gamers on my friends list are generally mature adult gamers, not jerks and we get along just fine. Wacko is just attempting as usual to mischaracterize the whole of XBOX LIVE, cause he is probably one of those jerks that most people end up ignoring or removing from their lobby. You gotta figure this is the case, with millions of users and he thinks everyone else has a problem.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

If online gaming had some kind of progression (ie: Doom 3 Co-op, Everquest-without the insane fees) I would absolutely love it! If I could play Zelda, Metroid, Elderscrolls, Halo 1-2, Splinter Cell, Metal Gear online and progressively play through them at any time...I would think I had died and gone to gaming heaven! However most multiplayer and online games are simply: Deathmatch, CTF, Team DM, Team CTF, Assult, Team Assult...bla bla bla.....Over and over and over and over................boring! :o

I am not that good with these online games anyway, I find I am dead and waiting to respawn more than playing the damn game anyway...and I am a very experienced gamer!

Yeah I think many people feel like you do. I tired of fragfest on the PC, after so much of quake and unreal and shogo. I just got tired of blasting people or getting blasted, running around and jumping, then dying and repeat. So I couldn't do it anymore online. But that is where games like Rainbow6, Splinter Cell, Ghost Recon, etc come in, sure those games have Death Match, but they all also have cooperative play, which I play exclusively and a lot of people on LIVE do exclusively. Sure, there are still more games that support on deathmatch and most gamers still play deathmatch, but more and more seek cooperative games. Or neutral games.

For example, a lot of people laughed at Midtown Madness, this game had hunter mode where one person started out as a cop and about 11 other people started out in whatever car they chose. Once the cop hit you, instead of dying, you became a cop and chased down everyone else. So there was no waiting, and the driving was absolutely terrific at times and loads of fun.

The new Splinter Cell has a cooperative mode where two spies work together and play missions that are off-shoots of the single player game, yet are designed so that only two spies can complete them and feature special moves that allow two spies to work together to access areas. But even the versus mode of Splinter Cell isn't really direct combat like a deathmatch. There are strategic goals and the spies should actually try and avoid contact with the Mercs. There are a lot of games out now that have some level of cooperative play or a twist on competitive play that is not as twitchy as traditional deathmatch. Even a game like Crimson Skies was great online. It featured only deathmatch, but using the device of an airplane made that kind of deathmatch quite fun and strategic. The new Brothers In Arms steals a page from SC:PT by only using 4 players 2 on each team, but allowing each person to control 3 AI soldiers. Full Spectrum Warrior online was full cooperative play, allowing you to play the single player campaign online. Close Combat is a great great game online, allows you to play the single player cooperatively online, and focuses more on team combat, as each man has a specific role and specific equipment.

Online play is all about finding the right experience, once you do, you'll be hooked, you might just have to experiment more. Or maybe the types of games just aren't there yet that want to play online. Certainly the thing i've missed is a traditional dungeons and dragons RPG over LIVE.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Give me the dynamic gameplay that is only achieved when playeing with other people.

Speaking of which, your attention is required in the XBOX forum. Forza! Tomorrow! Come on DTM get in on the ground floor with this one.

[theWacoKid]

Wacko doesn't game online so he has no idea what he's talking about. I don't even play Halo2 online. And though twitch shooters are popular online I don't play them and most of the people on my friends list don't. I know Methadone rarely plays them, even Halo2. I've played Halo2 online maybe 3 or 4 times when it first came out. While there is nothing wrong with fragfest and twitch shooters and these "Quick Hyper" games, it is possible to completely avoid that type of gaming on LIVE and play deep complex shooters. I only play cooperative shooters, where you are working as a team to accomplish goals, or games such as SC:CT and PT where the game is more about strategy as opposed to fragging. And on the racing scene the same thing can be said. You can get into the ultra competitive crash fest like PGR2 and Burnout3 and NFS, but I focus more on the driving games that reward skill. Also there are certain games where you can play the single player campaign online cooperatively, hopefully more of these games will come along. Perfect Dark will have this capability. All the gamers on my friends list are generally mature adult gamers, not jerks and we get along just fine. Wacko is just attempting as usual to mischaracterize the whole of XBOX LIVE, cause he is probably one of those jerks that most people end up ignoring or removing from their lobby. You gotta figure this is the case, with millions of users and he thinks everyone else has a problem.

Once again, you lie out your rear and talk rot. How do the fricking hell would you know what I did or didn't do on xbox live, you pompous self-serving ass. You're such a hypocrite, you sit there and talk about the wonders of Halo 2 and the online nirvana yet you don't bother playing what is arguably the premier online app for the xbox. Now, that's rich. You're not really much of an xbot after all.

Wow, you are a bloody wuss, whose ego can't take having his ass fragged by the typical twelve year old on Halo 2, so you opt for co-op against the computer?! What is this, an effin joke? Isn't your whole schtick how boring single player can be, that real players make for unpredictability and now you're telling me you look for co-op games to play against the cpu? LMAO!! I'm sorry, but what's the point, to go online and still play a cpu? Maybe, becasue I was right after all, as to how downright miserable online gaming can be on xbox live in your standard fare. Man, talk about some major beckpedaling here. Woo-oo, online is so great, ain't it, TMG.

[Darwin]

Wow, Wacko. You didn't understand a single word in his reply, did you?

And I though gaming made people happy.

[slade]

Actually he did say that he hoped more single player co-op games came along which sort of defeats the purpose of everything he's been saying up to this point about online.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Well my furry friend, I have no idea what you are ranting about now, you really make no sense at all. But i'll try and respond to your 'roid rage. If for any other reason than 'cause it gives you a stage to further so everyone what kind of meatball you are.

<b>Once again, you lie out your rear and talk rot. How do the fricking hell would you know what I did or didn't do on xbox live, you pompous self-serving ass.</b> Just going by your own words, you've said several times LIVE is full of jerks, you've said several times all we care about online are shooting, the latest crack hit, being number one, etc etc.

<b>You're such a hypocrite, you sit there and talk about the wonders of Halo 2 and the online nirvana yet you don't bother playing what is arguably the premier online app for the xbox. Now, that's rich. You're not really much of an xbot after all. </b> No my musty friend, you have CRS-itis. It is I who proclaimed how great Halo2's single player campaign was. It was you who complained that heroic level was too hard and normal was to easy. It is I who was telling everyone to play the game on Legendary and Heroic because normal mode was too simple. As far as not playing the game online, I stated numerous times that once GhostRecon2 was available I wouldn't be playing Halo2 much more. And that's exactly what happened, while most people were playing Halo2 online, I was playing Halo2 Legendary solo, and Ghost Recon2 online. Halo2 doesn't have a cooperative online component, GR2 does, so there really is no controversy here. Halo2 maybe the premier online app for XBOX, but that doesn't mean everyone on LIVE is forced to play it.

<b>Wow, you are a bloody wuss, whose ego can't take having his ass fragged by the typical twelve year old on Halo 2, so you opt for co-op against the computer?! What is this, an effin joke? Isn't your whole schtick how boring single player can be, that real players make for unpredictability and now you're telling me you look for co-op games to play against the cpu? LMAO!! I'm sorry, but what's the point, to go online and still play a cpu?</b> Well I think you've just demonstrated why you could not find people to play games with on XBOX LIVE, you are the exact kind of person most people quickly extract from their rooms, you need real help. And yes you are right, I DO NOT game with 12 year old's or kids online. Firstly, there is a lot of adult conversation and humor going on, secondly 12 years just can't successfully play the kinds of games we play online. Nor do I think you could. Kids have tried our lobbies in games like Motogp2 and Toca2 and they just can't compete in serious games, they lack the skill and patience, kind of like you. So, normally, we let them try a race or a game, and after a few laps, they either quit or crash up the room so we have to boot them, or they just act immature, like you are now. And its not just 12 year olds, most teen-agers really can't hang with us in our rooms. That said, I'm sure those same kids would mop my arse up in Halo2 or something similar.

<b> Maybe, because I was right after all, as to how downright miserable online gaming can be on xbox live in your standard fare. Man, talk about some major beckpedaling here. Woo-oo, online is so great, ain't it, TMG.</b> Umm yeah, you got it man, it is miserable. There is simply no fooling you. Anyway, you were offered the chance to put your money where your mouth is in the past, come into one of our rooms and demonstrate that you aren't an anti-social psychopathic nutjob, and that you have some gaming chops. But, as usual, you talk a big game. So, since i'm sure you have a looooooooooot of friends, I know at least one has an XBOX with LIVE, come on down big boy, get a copy of Forza and come show us what its all about. Bless us with your knowledge of racing, show us primates what a real Gran Tourismo man can do against real competition. But maybe its not such a good idea, I mean you've honed your skills racing your momma split-screen in the basement on GT4, i'm sure we wouldn't stand a chance.

Oh and online gaming is miserable on XBOX LIVE, but i'm sure its gonna be 7th Heaven on the PS3 riiiiiight?

;)

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Actually he did say that he hoped more single player co-op games came along which sort of defeats the purpose of everything he's been saying up to this point about online.

Well Slade you aren't dumb, so I know you are just pretending to act dumb. So i'll play along and pretend like you don't know what i'm about to say.

There are many ways to game online. None of them are mutually exclusive. You can enjoy single player co-op games, meaning the ability to play the single player campaign online with others, and you can also enjoy competitive games like racing or shooting or flying a plane. There are many games in which it would be great if the single player campaign was online, like Doom3 was. This was the most sought after feature for Halo2, everybody wanted to be able to play it cooperatively online.

The bottomline about playing online, whether it is cooperative, competitive, team, or whatever, is to play with humans. This is something I guess PS2 fans don't care about or understand. Why? I don't know. Playing games with people is how gaming got started, in arcades and on the home consoles. Are you the kind of person who more enjoys playing StreetFighter against the AI, or do you prefer playing against a REAL PERSON. Wait, don't answer that, I forgot who i'm talking to.

[Mochan]

Okay, skipping all those posts and going back to the original topic, what exactly is the big deal with backwards compatibility? Is it that important?

I didn't care at all that the PS2 is backwards compatible, and actually I've never played a PS1 game on my PS2. I don't see the need for it. I still have my PS1. Worse comes to worst, I have an emulator on my PC that will play the games with better graphics.

Looking through a lot of the posts on this board, it looks like b/c is a big deal. Again I ask: why?

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

Okay, skipping all those posts and going back to the original topic, what exactly is the big deal with backwards compatibility? Is it that important?

I didn't care at all that the PS2 is backwards compatible, and actually I've never played a PS1 game on my PS2. I don't see the need for it. I still have my PS1. Worse comes to worst, I have an emulator on my PC that will play the games with better graphics.

Looking through a lot of the posts on this board, it looks like b/c is a big deal. Again I ask: why?

It's important because it's good fodder for system wars. Plus we all know sony fans can't wait to Play Kingdom Hearts 2 on there PS3.

[slade]

Okay, skipping all those posts and going back to the original topic, what exactly is the big deal with backwards compatibility? Is it that important?

I didn't care at all that the PS2 is backwards compatible, and actually I've never played a PS1 game on my PS2. I don't see the need for it. I still have my PS1. Worse comes to worst, I have an emulator on my PC that will play the games with better graphics.

Looking through a lot of the posts on this board, it looks like b/c is a big deal. Again I ask: why?

It is important for a lot of reasons and for you, I'll list two:

1) Finance wise, you can get rid of your old system and use the money to pay for the new one. More money left in your pocket for games is not exactly a bad thing.

2) Suppose the original console breaks down after years of use and the company has stopped producing those consoles. Your library of games for that console is now useless.

I see backwards compatibility being even more important this gen then it was last gen. When 3d was just starting out on consoles, you had games that looked good and you had games with good framerates. The two didn't always meet. Now they do.

[theWacoKid]

People are judging b/c based on the ps2. Ps1 software dried up in record time. The companies shifted gears almost immediately and a number of companies have stated that they left a lot of money on the table by not supporting the ps1 after the ps2 was launched.

Development costs are set to rise dramatically, which means a number of companies may not transition to ps3 or xbox 360 development until the userbases are large. Even companies that do will likely maintain projects on the older systems.

I bought FFIX during that first holiday season after I got the ps2. I would've bought more, but the software just dried up. So, for new game purchases, there really wasn't any choice. But, even now, the occassional compilation disc that pops up for the ps1 such as FFII/Chrono Trigger makes a feature like b/c worthwhile. Without it, I couldn't even consider the purchase. If I find a copy of Jumping Flash, an old but quite fun ps1 game, I'll probably pick it up. People have a tendency to discount the older games, but as Nintendo has amply proved, there's big money in bringing back these old games and re-introducing them on the gba and the DS.

[Mochan]

I guess this is all alien to me, since my answer to backwards compatibility is emulation.

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

Okay, skipping all those posts and going back to the original topic, what exactly is the big deal with backwards compatibility? Is it that important?

It was easier for me to be excited about b/c with the PS2, since I could trade in my PS1 and not miss anything. The Xbox and PS2 are different, since they are also DVD players (and my Xbox has a lot of songs on the hard drive that I no longer have on CD), and that makes it easier for me to hold onto.

Overall, I'm pretty neutral on b/c. As long as it doesn't affect the price of the game system, it doesn't really matter to me for next-gen.

[slade]

I guess this is all alien to me, since my answer to backwards compatibility is emulation.

Emulation is tricky. You either luck out or you don't. I was looking for Neo Geo roms for my computer back about three - four years ago. You could find some halfway decent roms but the problem was always, a) adequate control setup and b) framerate issues. The DC was a great system for emulators but again, those two issues always cropped up when it came to some games. It wasn't even the fact that Neo Geo was an advanced system. There were even problems with some SNES and Genesis roms. With b/c between PSX and PS2, I don't have to worry about different controls and I suspect this will mostly remain true for PS3. Framerate won't be a problem unless its the game itself.

[Jupiter_x]

Online play is all about finding the right experience, once you do, you'll be hooked, you might just have to experiment more. Or maybe the types of games just aren't there yet that want to play online. Certainly the thing i've missed is a traditional dungeons and dragons RPG over LIVE.


I will admit that some nights I was insanely hooked to online games.I forgot to mention a little M$ game called Dungeon Siege for the PC, Holy Sh*t this game had me up until 7am for many sleepless nights, My wife was getting up for work as I was going into bed. Halo had me glued for at least 2 solid hours of CTF! Unreal Tourn. 2004 Demo was intense.

I liked the ideas behind the SC online games (Spies vs. Mercs) but I was just no good, no matter what side I was on...I was dead more times than I care to admit...still kind of fun when I sort of got the hang of it!

I still need to get onto Xbox Live for my Ninja Gaiden Hurricane Packs, and to try my new Splintercell 3 and Halo 2!

[folken001]

Online games are ok. Just like every genre out there, it has its niche fanbase. Since these xbots are so eagerly to fight a losing battle, they'll use anything in their defense. I guess this makes them into that small niche fanbase. But any true FPS fans would not bother with Xbox and non-mouse & keyboard crap to compete. Simply, the aim is just poor or not as accurate some xbots might say. Imagine playing Counter Strike: Cell with a controller. I think i am going to puke. *blah*

[Jupiter_x]

Online games are ok. Just like every genre out there, it has its niche fanbase. Since these xbots are so eagerly to fight a losing battle, they'll use anything in their defense. I guess this makes them into that small niche fanbase. But any true FPS fans would not bother with Xbox and non-mouse & keyboard crap to compete. Simply, the aim is just poor or not as accurate some xbots might say. Imagine playing Counter Strike: Cell with a controller. I think i am going to puke. *blah*

Folken, What is that picture you have of in your Avatar? Is she from Final Fantasy?