Perfect Dark Zero Set For Launch of 360!

[ThaMaskedGamer]

According to Eurogamer's rumor mill PDZ will indeed be a launch game for XBOX 360. Instead of me yammering, here is the text:
<b>
"...Now rumour has it that the reason it's taking so long is cos the game is being saved for the Xbox 360. It's down as a launch day title, apparently, and should be on show at E3 next month.

And what's more, it's going to have an online multiplayer mode which - according to reports - will feature more opponents playing at once than has ever been seen before in a console game.

The storyline is set before the first Perfect Dark title begins, and sees Joanna and her dad, Jack, caught up in a massive conspiracy that links in with the plot of the N64 game.

You'll be able to follow the story in both single-player and co-operative mode, and we're also promised something called 'anti-co-op' - one player takes on the role of Joanna while the other plays as her evil arch enemy, and both set about trying to do each other over."</b>

If so, then this goes down as the AAA game that will anchor the system from MS. The other game will probably Ninja Gaiden Black. I was browsing EB games website last week and saw the title. Apparently it was pulled from the website. But I saw it with my own two eyes and I was thinking this isn't a mistake. So, that will be a launch of NG Black and PDZ, and you can probably throw in ProjectGotham3. But, I kinda wonder about Project Gotham 3, Forza will be in full effect. But I guess Gotham has its own faithful following. Another game i'd guess for launch will be Morrowind.

So, this begs the question. Do you guys think a hypothetical launch of Perfect Dark Zero, Ninja Gaiden Black, PGR3, and Morrowind will be enough to kick the system off to the right start? Obviously there will be other games, maybe some crap from EA and some maybe even another surprise big name game.

If this is the launch lineup, I suggest that this could possibly be the greatest launch lineup ever. Even better than Halo, PGR, and DOA3. Sony is going to be in for a serious fight this time around. If XBOX 360 is launching with games like this, what do you think is going to happen the following year when PS3 launches? Well, I can take a big guess, MS is going to counter with Halo3 and Forza2, but there will probably dozens more XBOX 360 games releasing at that time than PS3. And Sony has a history of launching with weak games. I think the only game one could concretely identify for launch on PS3 is GT5. Either way, Sony is going to be hit with the same strategy they used against the XBOX. Also there are rumors floating around that the cell chip didn't perform as well as Sony would have liked and are not necessarily going back to the drawing board, but tweaking the chip some more. Sony has put all their eggs into this thing and while there is no way it will flop, you've gotta believe this generation is going to be much tighter. In the end, WE the consumers stand to win. And ironically, we owe it all to MS, the villain.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

According to Eurogamer's rumor mill PDZ will indeed be a launch game for XBOX 360. Instead of me yammering, here is the text:
<b>
"...Now rumour has it that the reason it's taking so long is cos the game is being saved for the Xbox 360. It's down as a launch day title, apparently, and should be on show at E3 next month.

And what's more, it's going to have an online multiplayer mode which - according to reports - will feature more opponents playing at once than has ever been seen before in a console game.

The storyline is set before the first Perfect Dark title begins, and sees Joanna and her dad, Jack, caught up in a massive conspiracy that links in with the plot of the N64 game.

You'll be able to follow the story in both single-player and co-operative mode, and we're also promised something called 'anti-co-op' - one player takes on the role of Joanna while the other plays as her evil arch enemy, and both set about trying to do each other over."</b>

If so, then this goes down as the AAA game that will anchor the system from MS. The other game will probably Ninja Gaiden Black. I was browsing EB games website last week and saw the title. Apparently it was pulled from the website. But I saw it with my own two eyes and I was thinking this isn't a mistake. So, that will be a launch of NG Black and PDZ, and you can probably throw in ProjectGotham3. But, I kinda wonder about Project Gotham 3, Forza will be in full effect. But I guess Gotham has its own faithful following. Another game i'd guess for launch will be Morrowind.

So, this begs the question. Do you guys think a hypothetical launch of Perfect Dark Zero, Ninja Gaiden Black, PGR3, and Morrowind will be enough to kick the system off to the right start? Obviously there will be other games, maybe some crap from EA and some maybe even another surprise big name game.

If this is the launch lineup, I suggest that this could possibly be the greatest launch lineup ever. Even better than Halo, PGR, and DOA3. Sony is going to be in for a serious fight this time around. If XBOX 360 is launching with games like this, what do you think is going to happen the following year when PS3 launches? Well, I can take a big guess, MS is going to counter with Halo3 and Forza2, but there will probably dozens more XBOX 360 games releasing at that time than PS3. And Sony has a history of launching with weak games. I think the only game one could concretely identify for launch on PS3 is GT5. Either way, Sony is going to be hit with the same strategy they used against the XBOX. Also there are rumors floating around that the cell chip didn't perform as well as Sony would have liked and are not necessarily going back to the drawing board, but tweaking the chip some more. Sony has put all their eggs into this thing and while there is no way it will flop, you've gotta believe this generation is going to be much tighter. In the end, WE the consumers stand to win. And ironically, we owe it all to MS, the villain.

Ninja Gaiden Black damn first I've heard of that but if you seen it on EB there's probably something to it.

Madden will probably be the biggest or second biggest game of the launch and like I was saying this game could bring in a big portion of Sony's fanbase I can't see the Madden faithful passing up a next gen Madden just to wait for the PS3. Especially going buy EA's track record of basically releasing the same game on all platforms with nothing really hardware specific. Also buy Next Gen Madden being released on the Xbox 360 it will give the impression the Madden is an Xbox game same as this gen while Madden is on all consoles its seem primairly as a PS2 game.

They actually showed the commerical for "Next Gen Madden"( http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8113/Madden-NFL-NextGen-Commercial/) Saturday during the draft you can tell it was for the Xbox because during the play selection screen there was a green "a" button. The game it self look pre rendered and the animation was bad Moleynex was right Know matter how good the graphics are if the animation isn't good it takes away from it.

As for Perfect Dark Zero I can't wait to use the "Farsight" online it'll probably be cheaper than the Plasma Sword in Halo 2 but I loved that gun in the orginal Perfect Dark. And if Morrowind comes out a launch with the new improved battle system I will be there day one.

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

So, this begs the question. Do you guys think a hypothetical launch of Perfect Dark Zero, Ninja Gaiden Black, PGR3, and Morrowind will be enough to kick the system off to the right start? Obviously there will be other games, maybe some crap from EA and some maybe even another surprise big name game.

I don't know about the other EA crap, but if Madden's on the next Xbox, I'm sure that the sports gamer will have a hard time passing it up, just as DTM mentioned. (Personally, it would take the college game for me to consider picking up a new system at launch, along with other games)

As far as Perfect Dark Zero, how reliable is Eurogamer? I know it's a rumor, but I don't have a lot of confidence in European gamesites anymore. I just hope this new Perfect Dark adds some adventure to the mix, since it will probably be another first person-only view game. (Bah! I'm getting sick of FP-only views.)

PGR3? Hmm.....it's the only arcady racer that doesn't rely on nitro boost, so it's always a possibility for me. Ninja Gaiden Black and the new ElderScrolls game are always a definite buy for me, but I'm not sure if those would get me to pick up a system in '05.

Edit- Actually, I see this NG Black more of a current Xbox game than a next gen, depending on when Team Ninja started development. If I were them, I would definitely want to squeeze out one more game from the Ninja Gaiden game engine and graphics engine.

[thelastword]

If this is the launch lineup, I suggest that this could possibly be the greatest launch lineup ever. Even better than Halo, PGR, and DOA3. Sony is going to be in for a serious fight this time around. If XBOX 360 is launching with games like this, what do you think is going to happen the following year when PS3 launches? Well, I can take a big guess, MS is going to counter with Halo3 and Forza2, but there will probably dozens more XBOX 360 games releasing at that time than PS3. And Sony has a history of launching with weak games. I think the only game one could concretely identify for launch on PS3 is GT5. Either way, Sony is going to be hit with the same strategy they used against the XBOX. Also there are rumors floating around that the cell chip didn't perform as well as Sony would have liked and are not necessarily going back to the drawing board, but tweaking the chip some more. Sony has put all their eggs into this thing and while there is no way it will flop, you've gotta believe this generation is going to be much tighter. In the end, WE the consumers stand to win. And ironically, we owe it all to MS, the villain.

Well E3 will unveil all, won't it, In only three weeks time we'll have the facts to do battle with won't we, and there will be no reason for mere supposition from the Xbox crowd.

The only things that's kinda guaranteed from what you posted is PGR 3 and maybe DOA 4, as for Perfect Dark making it at launch for the XBOX 360, it's possible but at the same time it's also highly improbable since rare games are just that "RARE", I mean it usually takes a decade for these guys....LOL !

Ninja Gaiden 2 as an Xbox Title is hard to swallow, farless a launch title. I'm not saying it's impossible but I think you should know that Team Ninja is still playing the waiting game, These guys want to analyse the hardware of all three next gen systems before they make any huge announcement. If Ninja Gaiden 2 makes it over to the Xbox 360 it will not be exclusive to that system, since all hardware will for the most part be equally capable across the board, the same thing goes for the Dead Or Alive series.

Halo 3 will sell some XBOXES but I don't believe it will receive the success the second one had, as for it being a Sony showstopper you could just keep on dreaming, I think it's lost it's thunder. Forza 2 another Showstopper to the PS3 behemoth (laughable really!) should'nt you be awaiting Forza's grand reception first before making such a claim ?.

So all you see is GT5 for PS3 on launch !Unh!, well that game will continue to redefine the standards of a true racing simulator as you know, but we are also looking at the possibility of all the new franchises including solid titles like God Of War 2, VF5, Tekken 6, Socom 4, DMC 4, KillZone 2 ( and please don't make fun of killzone, the first game had some issues but laid a very good foundation, if part two is oiled well under PS3 hardware it may very well take the shooter throne.)

Although I'm eagerly awaiting these sequels, what I really want to see are the new ideas, the new franchises, the evolving gameplay that will come to the fore and be the next gta etc.. that's what I'm looking most forward too..

[Superior Beatslayer]

Well E3 will unveil all, won't it, In only three weeks time we'll have the facts to do battle with won't we, and there will be no reason for mere supposition from the Xbox crowd.

The only things that's kinda guaranteed from what you posted is PGR 3 and maybe DOA 4, as for Perfect Dark making it at launch for the XBOX 360, it's possible but at the same time it's also highly improbable since rare games are just that "RARE", I mean it usually takes a decade for these guys....LOL !

Ninja Gaiden 2 as an Xbox Title is hard to swallow, farless a launch title. I'm not saying it's impossible but I think you should know that Team Ninja is still playing the waiting game, These guys want to analyse the hardware of all three next gen systems before they make any huge announcement. If Ninja Gaiden 2 makes it over to the Xbox 360 it will not be exclusive to that system, since all hardware will for the most part be equally capable across the board, the same thing goes for the Dead Or Alive series.

Halo 3 will sell some XBOXES but I don't believe it will receive the success the second one had, as for it being a Sony showstopper you could just keep on dreaming, I think it's lost it's thunder. Forza 2 another Showstopper to the PS3 behemoth (laughable really!) should'nt you be awaiting Forza's grand reception first before making such a claim ?.

So all you see is GT5 for PS3 on launch !Unh!, well that game will continue to redefine the standards of a true racing simulator as you know, but we are also looking at the possibility of all the new franchises including solid titles like God Of War 2, VF5, Tekken 6, Socom 4, DMC 4, KillZone 2 ( and please don't make fun of killzone, the first game had some issues but laid a very good foundation, if part two is oiled well under PS3 hardware it may very well take the shooter throne.)

Although I'm eagerly awaiting these sequels, what I really want to see are the new ideas, the new franchises, the evolving gameplay that will come to the fore and be the next gta etc.. that's what I'm looking most forward too..

lol, killzone is trash mon frere. So far the xbox lineup wrecks the PS3 lineup by far. I can't wait for Perfect Dark Zero, Perfect Dark was imo the best N64 game, it literally has everything. (even A vehicle). BTW won't Sony's contract with rockstar we over with by the time the next gen consoles come around?

[thelastword]

lol, killzone is trash mon frere. So far the xbox lineup wrecks the PS3 lineup by far. I can't wait for Perfect Dark Zero, Perfect Dark was imo the best N64 game, it literally has everything. (even A vehicle). BTW won't Sony's contract with rockstar we over with by the time the next gen consoles come around?
Well now, don't go beating the donkey so soon Mr Slayer, afterall we're just engaging in mere tidbits for now, meatier stuff awaits us at E3, so that talk of Xbox 360's great lineup, when not much has been revealed or announced yet is a bit unfounded. As for the infantile talk of that supposed lineup being greater than that of PS3, well you know, PS3 isn't launching the exact same week as the next Xbox so this surely gives Sony some more time to annouce and work on their launch titles, So even you must agree that these couple of months after Microsoft's launch can only make things better for Sony not only on the hardware front as I have hinted on so often, but also in software as well.

As for Gta, I believe a next gen Gta is in the works for PS3 as I remember reading it at gamespot, I believe the developer made mention of the superior hardware being the canvas that would take Gta to new heights etc..etc...but seriously though if you had just made a fortune on the PS2, perhaps having the best selling game of all times what would you do ? contracts terminate, yes! but you could always make them up again, can't you?

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Ninja Gaiden Black damn first I've heard of that but if you seen it on EB there's probably something to it.

Madden will probably be the biggest or second biggest game of the launch and like I was saying this game could bring in a big portion of Sony's fanbase I can't see the Madden faithful passing up a next gen Madden just to wait for the PS3. Especially going buy EA's track record of basically releasing the same game on all platforms with nothing really hardware specific. Also buy Next Gen Madden being released on the Xbox 360 it will give the impression the Madden is an Xbox game same as this gen while Madden is on all consoles its seem primairly as a PS2 game.

They actually showed the commerical for "Next Gen Madden"( http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8113/Madden-NFL-NextGen-Commercial/) Saturday during the draft you can tell it was for the Xbox because during the play selection screen there was a green "a" button. The game it self look pre rendered and the animation was bad Moleynex was right Know matter how good the graphics are if the animation isn't good it takes away from it.

As for Perfect Dark Zero I can't wait to use the "Farsight" online it'll probably be cheaper than the Plasma Sword in Halo 2 but I loved that gun in the orginal Perfect Dark. And if Morrowind comes out a launch with the new improved battle system I will be there day one.

Well that's two guys for Madden. I guess I continually underestimate the effect of this franchise. I guess I hope its there, I would be surprised though. I mean EA and MS aren't best of friends and i'd be surprised if EA released their best game in support of XBOX2. That would really be sending a statement that they no longer bend toward Sony, but I happen to believe they do....still. So i'd be quite shocked if EA were there with a big title like this at launch.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

I don't know about the other EA crap, but if Madden's on the next Xbox, I'm sure that the sports gamer will have a hard time passing it up, just as DTM mentioned. (Personally, it would take the college game for me to consider picking up a new system at launch, along with other games)

As far as Perfect Dark Zero, how reliable is Eurogamer? I know it's a rumor, but I don't have a lot of confidence in European gamesites anymore. I just hope this new Perfect Dark adds some adventure to the mix, since it will probably be another first person-only view game. (Bah! I'm getting sick of FP-only views.)

PGR3? Hmm.....it's the only arcady racer that doesn't rely on nitro boost, so it's always a possibility for me. Ninja Gaiden Black and the new ElderScrolls game are always a definite buy for me, but I'm not sure if those would get me to pick up a system in '05.

Edit- Actually, I see this NG Black more of a current Xbox game than a next gen, depending on when Team Ninja started development. If I were them, I would definitely want to squeeze out one more game from the Ninja Gaiden game engine and graphics engine.

I have confidence in Eurogamer, the way the story was written they got the info from a reliable source. There are too many details there just for it to be speculation. As far as the NG Black thing, IGN I think also ran a story about how it was subsequently pulled from the EB Games website, but they were able to snap a pic of the webpage with "Ninja Gaiden Black" in the browser frame. I happened to see the game listed in under coming soon. We will see if this is all a big accident. But Team Ninja was there for the launch of XBOX, they are kinda chummy with MS, I kinda think they are going to be there for the launch of 360. Yeah I guess EA is still important to a lot of guys, so I guess whatever they can do for launch will draw out the EA crowd.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Well E3 will unveil all, won't it, In only three weeks time we'll have the facts to do battle with won't we, and there will be no reason for mere supposition from the Xbox crowd.

The only things that's kinda guaranteed from what you posted is PGR 3 and maybe DOA 4, as for Perfect Dark making it at launch for the XBOX 360, it's possible but at the same time it's also highly improbable since rare games are just that "RARE", I mean it usually takes a decade for these guys....LOL !

Ninja Gaiden 2 as an Xbox Title is hard to swallow, farless a launch title. I'm not saying it's impossible but I think you should know that Team Ninja is still playing the waiting game, These guys want to analyse the hardware of all three next gen systems before they make any huge announcement. If Ninja Gaiden 2 makes it over to the Xbox 360 it will not be exclusive to that system, since all hardware will for the most part be equally capable across the board, the same thing goes for the Dead Or Alive series.

Halo 3 will sell some XBOXES but I don't believe it will receive the success the second one had, as for it being a Sony showstopper you could just keep on dreaming, I think it's lost it's thunder. Forza 2 another Showstopper to the PS3 behemoth (laughable really!) should'nt you be awaiting Forza's grand reception first before making such a claim ?.

So all you see is GT5 for PS3 on launch !Unh!, well that game will continue to redefine the standards of a true racing simulator as you know, but we are also looking at the possibility of all the new franchises including solid titles like God Of War 2, VF5, Tekken 6, Socom 4, DMC 4, KillZone 2 ( and please don't make fun of killzone, the first game had some issues but laid a very good foundation, if part two is oiled well under PS3 hardware it may very well take the shooter throne.)

Although I'm eagerly awaiting these sequels, what I really want to see are the new ideas, the new franchises, the evolving gameplay that will come to the fore and be the next gta etc.. that's what I'm looking most forward too..

Where I said anything was a showstopper to the PS3. In fact, I coulda swore I said nothing will stop the PS3. Maybe you should re-read. Also I said GT5 is the only game I think is a certain launch title. I know there will be other big games coming from Sony, I just don't know which ones. But I kinda think after the technical embarrassments suffered by GT4, Polyphony wants to come back at launch with a decent product. I don't think its going to be that easy for them though. They are going to have to deal with deformable cars, solve the online issues, then do car parts and everything Forza does. Finally I don't know why you guys think Team Ninja is going multiplat, even if they wanted to go, which I kinda doubt, MS could offer them an exclusivity deal. But I really don't think they want to go to PS3. Then they get mixed in with all the other fighters and action games. Right now, they can stand out on XBOX. However I would be more worried if I were you about Rockstar supporting XBOX in the marketplace at the same time. This is the most important property to Sony and if I was Rockstar i'd be pressing hard for a new deal that will pay me major bucks, cause they saved PS2 bacon this generation.

[Zilla Man]

According to my sources at M$, Ninja Gaiden Black is simply a rerelease of Ninja Gaiden with the formerly available Hurricane Packs built in.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

According to my sources at M$, Ninja Gaiden Black is simply a rerelease of Ninja Gaiden with the formerly available Hurricane Packs built in.

Do you really think that would sell significantly enough to warrant distribution? Especially a year later? However, given that they basically tried to do the same thing with DOA3, simply adding online and more costumes, its possible. Then again, it could be a new game.

[Darwin]

Maybe I'm out-of-line here, being an Xbot and all ... but this does not impress me. A prequell to an N64 game .... a 3rd iteration (excuse me, 4th iteration, if you count Metropolis Street Racer) of a racing game that SHOULD HAVE given us some new gameplay with the last game but didn't, all's it did was put in an online component .... rereleases of two (albeit good) Xbox games with slight modifications (that's the kind of stunt I would expect from Nintendo) ... and then EA bringing their crap.

WHERE ARE THE ORIGINAL TITLES? WHERE ARE THE ORIGINAL GENRE'S?

un-freakin-believable. I'll be watching the MTV special and hopefully we will get to see something new or innovative.

[thelastword]

Finally I don't know why you guys think Team Ninja is going multiplat, even if they wanted to go, which I kinda doubt, MS could offer them an exclusivity deal. But I really don't think they want to go to PS3. Then they get mixed in with all the other fighters and action games. Right now, they can stand out on XBOX. However I would be more worried if I were you about Rockstar supporting XBOX in the marketplace at the same time. This is the most important property to Sony and if I was Rockstar i'd be pressing hard for a new deal that will pay me major bucks, cause they saved PS2 bacon this generation.
Yes, Team Ninja could have stood out on Xbox because the XBOX's gpu was more powerful, Next gen I'm kinda curious to see what sega will do with the PS3 hardware for VF5 and how it would compare graphically to Team Ninja's efforts.

Exclusivity is cool, when it works out between both parties, when it does not, it's usually not repeated. In terms of Rockstar/Sony it worked out superbly, as for Microsoft and Tecmo it worked well enough for DOA3 but the other titles including DOABV and DOAU did'nt do as well, I think Ninja Gaiden did well but I'm not entirely sure. Yes these devs love making games but they all need their products to do well in the market to substantiate whatever exclusivity exists.

[Wan-Fu]

Maybe I'm out-of-line here, being an Xbot and all ... but this does not impress me. A prequell to an N64 game .... a 3rd iteration (excuse me, 4th iteration, if you count Metropolis Street Racer) of a racing game that SHOULD HAVE given us some new gameplay with the last game but didn't, all's it did was put in an online component .... rereleases of two (albeit good) Xbox games with slight modifications (that's the kind of stunt I would expect from Nintendo) ... and then EA bringing their crap.

WHERE ARE THE ORIGINAL TITLES? WHERE ARE THE ORIGINAL GENRE'S?

un-freakin-believable. I'll be watching the MTV special and hopefully we will get to see something new or innovative.

I really feel the same way, darwin. At first I was laughing at one of the last word's posts, he was gloating about the possibility of GT5, Tekken 6, Socom 4, etc, etc; and then I realized that most of the 360's games will have a few numerals behind them as well. Not quite as bad, but bad enough to be hypocritical to make fun of Socom 4 while lusting after Halo 3.
So, will the fruits of XNA give us anything original? Original games I can see, but original genres, I don't know. Maybe the Hybrid RTS/FPS rumored to be a possibility with the PC guys at the helm, and the Xboxers as the grunts?? Who knows?
The "sports" drama genre, led by the likes of Midway's "playmakers"??
Where will the next wave of crime simulation take us?? GTA and all its clones will be back in force, and maybe this time with online play, we can actually form our own online "gangs" and duke it out with other gangs to sell crack and weed in the inner cities of America??
Conker will certainly see a next gen sequel, so maybe the adult platformer will become its own special sub-genre, who knows.
My only ironclad guarantee is that we will see a videogame where you are a pimp, and you get to compete for the most bit****, and have unlockable canes, gators, rims, kangols, furs and chains. However embarrasing, this is coming. Would fit right in with GTA. Since MS is advertising on MTV, it makes sense that their games, in part, will cater to that crowd as well.

[Glockstar]

Re: Ninja Gaiden Black

What GameSpot Rumor Control has to say on the subject...

RUMOR #4: Tecmo is reengineering Ninja Gaiden to be an Xbox 360 launch title.

Source: A now-yanked listing for a "Ninja Gaiden Black" on EBgames.com (though you can still see the name in the page subject line).

The official story: Tecmo did not respond to requests for comment.

What we heard: So, as many of you know, Ninja Gaiden kicks 12 kinds of ass. The Tecmo game was one of the most highly acclaimed games for the Xbox last year, as evidenced by its popular Master Ninja Tournament and two Hurricane Pack updates on Xbox Live. So when EBGames started listing a "Ninja Gaiden Black" product page, every Ryu Hayabusa wannabe started salivating--and wondering what the title could be. Many speculated that, since the game already pushed the graphical limits of the Xbox, the Black edition was a reengineered version for the Xbox 360. However, given the fact that it was an Xbox product list, a more likely scenario is that Ninja Gaiden Black will be a "Gold Edition" of the intense actioner and include the two Hurricane Pack updates for the Xbox Live-agnostic. Either way, we'll find out soon.

Bogus or not bogus?: Xbox 360 version = bogus. Xbox deluxe edition = not bogus.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/04/25/news_6122804.html

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I have little doubt that the Xbox 360 will have the greatest lunch lineup ever in the history of vg console launches! From what I've been reading of the first-run games, the lineup looks to be very decent; decent from a quality and a well-rounded point-of-view. And no, I'm not saying that because I'm just an Xbox fanboy.

First off, I'm not an Xbox fanboy. I know some of you like to think that, but really, I'm just a guy who loves his Xbox. Way more than any of his other systems - especially the other two current gen systems - and I play the game - the System Wars game - the right way (a.i. I talk positively about which system I think is best.) But I have no such opinions about the Xbox 360... it's not even out yet!

Secondly, my statement doesn't really say much - any halfway decent launch lineup would automatically be considered the best evar!!! because every single launch lineup for every and all previous consoles have sucked.

"If the current lineup [of games] in development for the next-generation Xbox was revealed, it would not only surprise users, but the entire industry. There probably wouldn't be anyone [in Japan] that would still be uninterested in buying the next-generation Xbox when they see the lineup." -- Game Republic's Yoshiki Okamoto

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I think that other Rare game (that's been in endless development), Kameo, is going to be another Xbox 360 launch game.
(Among many, many, others.)

[thelastword]

I really feel the same way, darwin. At first I was laughing at one of the last word's posts, he was gloating about the possibility of GT5, Tekken 6, Socom 4, etc, etc; and then I realized that most of the 360's games will have a few numerals behind them as well. Not quite as bad, but bad enough to be hypocritical to make fun of Socom 4 while lusting after Halo 3.
So, will the fruits of XNA give us anything original? Original games I can see, but original genres, I don't know. Maybe the Hybrid RTS/FPS rumored to be a possibility with the PC guys at the helm, and the Xboxers as the grunts?? Who knows?
The "sports" drama genre, led by the likes of Midway's "playmakers"??
Where will the next wave of crime simulation take us?? GTA and all its clones will be back in force, and maybe this time with online play, we can actually form our own online "gangs" and duke it out with other gangs to sell crack and weed in the inner cities of America??
Conker will certainly see a next gen sequel, so maybe the adult platformer will become its own special sub-genre, who knows.
My only ironclad guarantee is that we will see a videogame where you are a pimp, and you get to compete for the most bit****, and have unlockable canes, gators, rims, kangols, furs and chains. However embarrasing, this is coming. Would fit right in with GTA. Since MS is advertising on MTV, it makes sense that their games, in part, will cater to that crowd as well.
Well actually at the end of my first post, I did mention that I was looking forward to the new franchises most of all, when the PS3 launches. I just mentioned those sequels because they were more or less inevitable on that system, So I do agree with you and Darwin on having newer gaming experiences. Don't forget though, that at this point we are indeed speculating to some degree and that we'll have more concrete stuff to form our opinions on after E3.

[slade]

I'm curious to see what type of support Okamoto will give X-box 2. His current game, Genji, should be some sort of indicator. From current reports, it's a fairly good action game with Onimusha like upgrades to weapons and armor.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Maybe I'm out-of-line here, being an Xbot and all ... but this does not impress me. A prequell to an N64 game .... a 3rd iteration (excuse me, 4th iteration, if you count Metropolis Street Racer) of a racing game that SHOULD HAVE given us some new gameplay with the last game but didn't, all's it did was put in an online component .... rereleases of two (albeit good) Xbox games with slight modifications (that's the kind of stunt I would expect from Nintendo) ... and then EA bringing their crap.

WHERE ARE THE ORIGINAL TITLES? WHERE ARE THE ORIGINAL GENRE'S?

un-freakin-believable. I'll be watching the MTV special and hopefully we will get to see something new or innovative.

How dare an XBOT speak ill of anything Microsoft! Now reform immediately or be forced to play Ghost Recon2 on PS2 for two weeks straight!!!

On a serious tip, i'd think you'd be estatic. I mean Morrowind was your favorite RPG. I suggest you go back and pull out that Game Informer from a few months back that featured the new Morrowind. Its almost a sure bet this game will be there at launch or very close to it.

Far as Perfect Dark Zero, come on man. This game is not even going to resemble the original. It may use the same characters, but this essentially will be a new game. Plus I would think you'd be nuts over the online cooperative play.

Far as Project Gotham 3, I definitely will not be buying it. If it is an arcade racer, forget it. I'll just keep playing Forza. But, remember, PGR2 was very popular amongst fans and critics, so regardless of what you or I think, this is a big game.

As far as other titles i'm beginning to agree with everyone else, I believe Ninja Gaiden Black is just going to be an XBOX release of the Hurricane downloads.

So at this point I would guess its going to be Morrowind, PDZ, and Project Gotham 3. Now that is not bad, I know i'll be down for two of those. The question remains like you said, what else will be dropping. I won't be disappointed if that is all we get at launch day 1, you know aside from the EA crap. But, I would expect another one or two or three big name games on or around XMAS. And I think three or four great games between launch and XMAS is a hell of a launch. Nobody, aside from the first XBOX, has ever really launched with that many great games. Certainly not Sony.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Yes, Team Ninja could have stood out on Xbox because the XBOX's gpu was more powerful, Next gen I'm kinda curious to see what sega will do with the PS3 hardware for VF5 and how it would compare graphically to Team Ninja's efforts.

Exclusivity is cool, when it works out between both parties, when it does not, it's usually not repeated. In terms of Rockstar/Sony it worked out superbly, as for Microsoft and Tecmo it worked well enough for DOA3 but the other titles including DOABV and DOAU did'nt do as well, I think Ninja Gaiden did well but I'm not entirely sure. Yes these devs love making games but they all need their products to do well in the market to substantiate whatever exclusivity exists.

Well Ninja Gaiden and DOA3 did well cause they were worthy products. DOABV and DOAU really didn't deserve to do well. And doing crap like that is what will tarnish Tecmo's and Team Ninja's reputation and make people leery of their efforts. It looks like they are milking again with this Ninja Gaiden Black.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

In this case, they don't even need anything innovative. Hell it would be enough if Bioware just took the original Baldur's Gate on the PC, reworked it into a 3D game, kept the AD&D rules, and made it into an online RPG. Not even MMORPG, somewhere in the middle. The original Baldur's Gate allowed up to 6 characters in a party. So there you go, allow 6 player cooperative play online. Allow each person to create their character according to the old rules and character classes. We have all these funky jap-anime, and space rpgs, and now Gung-fu rpgs, but we have yet to have a classic dungeons and dragons affair online. I don't know why Bioware thinks they have to water it down for the consoles, the console crowd would love the original framework and rules with updated graphics and control for the consoles.

Aside from that, I definitely want to see some innovation. I'm down for Halo3 in 2006, just to complete the story. But after that, i've said it before, i'll be finished with Halo. I really want to see Bungie go in a different direction. Anyway, I wouldn't be so down guys, MS is sure to have some innovation coming for us.

[Darwin]

On a serious tip, i'd think you'd be estatic. I mean Morrowind was your favorite RPG. I suggest you go back and pull out that Game Informer from a few months back that featured the new Morrowind. Its almost a sure bet this game will be there at launch or very close to it.

Exactly. I already put about 150 hours into Morrowind, so I am not interested in replaying that game from scratch. Now, if you mean a NEW game altogether (the sequal), well then I'm all ears (or eyes).

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Exactly. I already put about 150 hours into Morrowind, so I am not interested in replaying that game from scratch. Now, if you mean a NEW game altogether (the sequal), well then I'm all ears (or eyes).

Of course its a new game, completely new, its so beautiful it will bring tears to your eyes. I can't believe you didn't catch the feature on that game in Game Informer. You will be truly amazed at what they are doing with the title. I guess I shoulda said Morrowind 2, actually I think it is called Morrowind Oblivion, could be wrong.

[T.Tashi]

Maybe I'm out-of-line here, being an Xbot and all ... but this does not impress me. A prequell to an N64 game .... a 3rd iteration (excuse me, 4th iteration, if you count Metropolis Street Racer) of a racing game that SHOULD HAVE given us some new gameplay with the last game but didn't, all's it did was put in an online component .... rereleases of two (albeit good) Xbox games with slight modifications (that's the kind of stunt I would expect from Nintendo) ... and then EA bringing their crap.

WHERE ARE THE ORIGINAL TITLES? WHERE ARE THE ORIGINAL GENRE'S?

un-freakin-believable. I'll be watching the MTV special and hopefully we will get to see something new or innovative.
Don't hold your breath. This article can explain better than I can, but in a nutshell. "The owners of innovation in this industry are portfolio managers that err on the side of caution. For every 1 game that takes a risk, you need 10 or 20 games that are surefire money makers in order to balance the portfolio's total risk."

http://www.gamedev.net/reference/design/features/genreaddict/

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

I'm curious to see what type of support Okamoto will give X-box 2. His current game, Genji, should be some sort of indicator. From current reports, it's a fairly good action game with Onimusha like upgrades to weapons and armor.

I'm looking forward to Genji, since it has been announced for North America. If Okamoto makes action/adventure type games for Xbox Next (I refuse to call it 360), then I'm all for it. If he decides to make J-RPGs, then I'll pass.


Of course its a new game, completely new, its so beautiful it will bring tears to your eyes. I can't believe you didn't catch the feature on that game in Game Informer. You will be truly amazed at what they are doing with the title. I guess I shoulda said Morrowind 2, actually I think it is called Morrowind Oblivion, could be wrong.

I think it's just ElderScrolls: Oblivion, and from the GI article you mentioned, it should be a good game, especially if they can make the combat a lot better. I just hope you don't have to be a human in the game.

[Gadfly2317]

I have little doubt that the Xbox 360 will have the greatest lunch lineup ever in the history of vg console launches! From what I've been reading of the first-run games, the lineup looks to be very decent; decent from a quality and a well-rounded point-of-view. And no, I'm not saying that because I'm just an Xbox fanboys.)

Well, they SHOULD have a great launch line-up. . . all you have to do is cut your current consoles life by two years and bump many big titles to your new system. No reason Perfect Dark Zero couldn't have made it out on Xbox, but here you go xboys, MS sticking it right in your rear.

I'm pretty pleased to be getting that killer new Zelda on the GC, a big, beautiful send off for a great system.

Poor Xbox fans, such a young system, just entering its prime and gaining steam, so many people just got the thing, only to have MS kill it off and move titles many of us bought the system for (I fully expected to get Kameo and PD0.)

They can launch these Xbox titles on Xbox2, but it doesn't matter, they've lost me as a customer. There will be some great xbox2 titles but there's too many gaming choices right now. . .GREAT gaming choices, and some very original ones, from handheld to Ps3 and Revolution, I'm not going to ever bother again with the system that came in expecting to use anti-competitive practices (massively underselling an over-powered system bankrolled by MS's fat wallet) and then when that strategy failed just yanked the carpet out from under its system.

No sirree. I don't know kind of ass MS takes us for. I don't have time for every game or every system out there, and Xbox is not worth the time of day.

[slade]

I'm looking forward to Genji, since it has been announced for North America. If Okamoto makes action/adventure type games for Xbox Next (I refuse to call it 360), then I'm all for it. If he decides to make J-RPGs, then I'll pass.

I'd say the chance of Okamoto designing a J-RPG for X-box 2 is pretty slim. The man't credentials are heavily geared towards action games.

I didn't even know about Genji until a few days ago. This, along with the new Onimusha, has got me looking forward to E3.

[ThaMaskedGamer]

Well, they SHOULD have a great launch line-up. . . all you have to do is cut your current consoles life by two years and bump many big titles to your new system. No reason Perfect Dark Zero couldn't have made it out on Xbox, but here you go xboys, MS sticking it right in your rear.

I'm pretty pleased to be getting that killer new Zelda on the GC, a big, beautiful send off for a great system.

Poor Xbox fans, such a young system, just entering its prime and gaining steam, so many people just got the thing, only to have MS kill it off and move titles many of us bought the system for (I fully expected to get Kameo and PD0.)

They can launch these Xbox titles on Xbox2, but it doesn't matter, they've lost me as a customer. There will be some great xbox2 titles but there's too many gaming choices right now. . .GREAT gaming choices, and some very original ones, from handheld to Ps3 and Revolution, I'm not going to ever bother again with the system that came in expecting to use anti-competitive practices (massively underselling an over-powered system bankrolled by MS's fat wallet) and then when that strategy failed just yanked the carpet out from under its system.

No sirree. I don't know kind of ass MS takes us for. I don't have time for every game or every system out there, and Xbox is not worth the time of day.


As you say, "what kind of Asses' people are. I mean Sony didn't. They made you bend of for faulty systems out the box, made you bend over for the HD, made you bend over for a new "slim" PS2, made you skip out on digital audio and online gaming in a big way. Then they promised things and didn't deliver, like GT4 will be online. Then they said, an online version of GT4 will come later, apparently that has been scrapped now, and you will have to wait until PS3. And GC, oh yeah, lets wait for one last great GC game, that will bring the total number of great GC games to what 4? And people were dumb enough to hang onto this console this entire generation, and how they don't feel ripped off is beyond me.

The fact is MS is launching now, because PS3 is launching in 2006. MS knows it can't launch side by side or after PS3, so that means it can only launch before. And if you are going to launch before, then launch during the holidays in 2005. PS3 isn't far behind about 5 or 6 months later Japan will get the PS3, what about that?

I don't think losing a console flipper like yourself is really going to matter. You bought XBOX late in the consoles lifespan and then abandoned the system, claiming no good quirky games, despite the fact Oddworld, Psychonauts, Jade Empire and others were up. We have been gaming on XBOX since day one and the systems limitations are beginning to show and I welcome a move to the next generation. Not everyone else is ready, but you and others are starting up propoganda, as if MS is cutting the cord on XBOX. XBOX will continue to have great games at least through 2007. How is Half-life 2 giving up on the system, how is Rainbow6 Lockdown giving up, how is Motogp3 and the next Toca giving up? As far as Rare's games, i'm sure it isn't MS slowing them down, they've always been slow. Kameo was supposed to be here, but obviously the game was looking like ass, so someone said hold up, tighten this game up. I think Conker shows that getting it right is more important than just pushing any BS out there.

Your comments about MS from a corporate point of view unveil the bias you've always had, the bias you are trying to hide. At this point, after what MS has brought to the table for console gamers, anyone ungrateful is just biased against the company. If you think Nintendo or Sony would have been online this upcoming generation without MS your crazy, HD and HDD all that stuff. Listen to Nintendo, we underestimated online gaming, we won't do it again. Wonder who or what made them realize that.

Yet, MS is at it again, forcing developers to support 720p out the box, forcing LIVE aware out the box, supporting music in the dashboard, supporting video chat, supporting wireless controllers out the box, and that is all we know of. Other things proposed such as the conversion online with PC gamers are big things that MS the evil corporation is making possible. So I guess you can go back to waiting for your precious LINK, damn its already May and has GC had a good title this year yet? Nope and the system should be in its prime pumping out great titles. How about PS2, they've given you what 1 great title(God of War) this year. XBOX has given you a few each month thus far in 2005. Get real Gadfly you need something up yours to clear out all that bulls--t.

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

I'd say the chance of Okamoto designing a J-RPG for X-box 2 is pretty slim. The man't credentials are heavily geared towards action games.

I didn't even know about Genji until a few days ago. This, along with the new Onimusha, has got me looking forward to E3.

That's good to hear. Xbox may have the the best action game in Ninja Gaiden, but there are too few action titles on the system overall. The Next Xbox really needs to get a good share of these type of games.

From the early release date info, it looks like Genji will come out before Onimusha. Personally, I'm looking forward to Genji more than Onimusha, but that could change at E3.

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

As you say, "what kind of Asses' people are. I mean Sony didn't. They made you bend of for faulty systems out the box, made you bend over for the HD, made you bend over for a new "slim" PS2, made you skip out on digital audio and online gaming in a big way. Then they promised things and didn't deliver, like GT4 will be online. Then they said, an online version of GT4 will come later, apparently that has been scrapped now, and you will have to wait until PS3. And GC, oh yeah, lets wait for one last great GC game, that will bring the total number of great GC games to what 4? And people were dumb enough to hang onto this console this entire generation, and how they don't feel ripped off is beyond me.

The fact is MS is launching now, because PS3 is launching in 2006. MS knows it can't launch side by side or after PS3, so that means it can only launch before. And if you are going to launch before, then launch during the holidays in 2005. PS3 isn't far behind about 5 or 6 months later Japan will get the PS3, what about that?

I don't think losing a console flipper like yourself is really going to matter. You bought XBOX late in the consoles lifespan and then abandoned the system, claiming no good quirky games, despite the fact Oddworld, Psychonauts, Jade Empire and others were up. We have been gaming on XBOX since day one and the systems limitations are beginning to show and I welcome a move to the next generation. Not everyone else is ready, but you and others are starting up propoganda, as if MS is cutting the cord on XBOX. XBOX will continue to have great games at least through 2007. How is Half-life 2 giving up on the system, how is Rainbow6 Lockdown giving up, how is Motogp3 and the next Toca giving up? As far as Rare's games, i'm sure it isn't MS slowing them down, they've always been slow. Kameo was supposed to be here, but obviously the game was looking like ass, so someone said hold up, tighten this game up. I think Conker shows that getting it right is more important than just pushing any BS out there.

Your comments about MS from a corporate point of view unveil the bias you've always had, the bias you are trying to hide. At this point, after what MS has brought to the table for console gamers, anyone ungrateful is just biased against the company. If you think Nintendo or Sony would have been online this upcoming generation without MS your crazy, HD and HDD all that stuff. Listen to Nintendo, we underestimated online gaming, we won't do it again. Wonder who or what made them realize that.

Yet, MS is at it again, forcing developers to support 720p out the box, forcing LIVE aware out the box, supporting music in the dashboard, supporting video chat, supporting wireless controllers out the box, and that is all we know of. Other things proposed such as the conversion online with PC gamers are big things that MS the evil corporation is making possible. So I guess you can go back to waiting for your precious LINK, damn its already May and has GC had a good title this year yet? Nope and the system should be in its prime pumping out great titles. How about PS2, they've given you what 1 great title(God of War) this year. XBOX has given you a few each month thus far in 2005. Get real Gadfly you need something up yours to clear out all that bulls--t.

Good post dude is getting so stupid it's really not much point in answering him anymore. Oh and just because you forgot and I know they will jump all over it. The GC did have RE4 this year.