Whats wrong with rpgs these days?

[Friend_Bear]

I've been playing 3 rpgs lately, two on my consoles (PS2 and GC) and Might and Magic 9 on my P.C and got me thinking that in recent years the console rpg market is dying a horrible death by releasing total rubbish, i've been playing Unlimited Saga on my PS2 and its a horrible mess of a game, something you wouldn't really think of coming from Squaresoft, but its really that bad, and the other console game is Tales of Symphonia and thats rather crappy as well, the only great rpg i've been playing semi recently has been Star Ocean on PS2, but I can see a huge slump in good console rpgs, they are seriously lacking these days, some of the problems with those 2 console games is they are trying 'new' concepts to rpgs and they don't work well, the cooking to get hitpoints back in symphonia is annoying, and well, unlimited saga is proberly the worst PS2 rpg since launch! Luckily only paid $10 for it, personally I don't even think its worth the $10.

The P.C doesn't have that many rpgs but the ones it does get are usually pretty decent, even some of the crappy ones are still very playable, I mean, I'm playing Might and Magic 9 right now, its not that great but its pretty enjoyable and i'm making progress on it. I think they should stick to tried and tested rpg methods before trying something new, also i'm going to be more wary on buying JRPGs from now on since lately they have been rather sucky, i'm craving a decent console rpg right now, as well as a decent P.C rpg, I hear Dungeon Lords is sounding like it could be worth checking, other than that I only have Dungeon Siege 2 and not much else, not including Guild Wars since its Mmorpg.

[Mochan]

Yeah, much as I hate to admit it, console RPGs have been turning to crap lately.

Unlimited Saga was indeed a total mess.
Suikoden 4 was a HUGE letdown for the entire franchise.
FFX-2 was BLEH.
Xenosaga was utter bull. I'm not even gonna bother with episode 2.

Only decent console RPGs I've played in decent memory is Disgaea and Star Ocean 3. Oh, and the Super Robot Wars series. Haven't played Tales of Symphonia yet.

For a decent PC RPG, nothing in sight but just wait for Elder Scrolls 4. What's this Dungeon Lords? Oh and yeah I'm also going to be playing Dungeon Siege 2, possibly also Guildwars, oh and don't forget Gothic 3. I think I will also play KOTOR 2, when it comes out next month on the PC.

For a decent Console RPG, I'm setting my sights on a few, one of them being Stella Deus. There's another one but I forgot the title, I'll have to look it up again. If you have an XBox you might want to try the new Bioware game, Jade Empire.

Haven't played Might and Magic since 6. 7 and 8 were utter bleh. Have no idea how 9 is. Shifted to Wizardry 8 ever since Might and Magic messed up its RPG franchise.

[Aku]

Might and Magic 9 got such bad reviews that I didn't get it, even though I'm a Might and Magic fan. The gameplay does look similar to the previous games, though, although it uses a different engine.

I have been really starved for a good pc rpg. There are just so few new ones, and a lot of the newer ones are bugfests (like Divine Divinity). Of course, even old ones are bugfests (Fallout). I've been playing mods for Morrowind to sate the need, but I want something totally new. I have Gothic 2 coming in a few days, so that should satisfy me for awhile.

[Friend_Bear]

MM9 is one of the better might and magic games i've played, still not perfect but I don't think it deserved the bad reviews, its quite enjoyable. I was hoping they would have released another MM game.

Tales of Symphonia is pretty bad as well, its got a lot of fans from the japanese rpg fandom since its a classic japanese style, also the fighting system is kinder similar to Star Ocean 3 since its real time fighting, however you can only attack in 2D (left to right) whilst the enemy can attack from 3D (All Sides) also some battles are very hard.

I honestly feel this game was made for 2-4 players since the AI that controls the other characters isn't very good at all, most of the time getting itself killed, if the character dies that player 1 was controlling, alls you can do is control some spells and use items via the other characters but doesn't help since the fight takes a lot longer since they'll mess around, get killed and healing is a joke since theres few characters who can cast the spell, and healing foods are expensive. The story is pretty good and the characters are pretty well balanced, but the game is unneccarily hard.

[Aku]

The problem with MM9 is that it came out around the same time as some other RPGs like Wizardry 8, and this other little game called Morrowind. Timing, as they say, is everything. ;)

[Friend_Bear]

I completed MM9 today and definately say its not a bad game at all, by todays high standards it doesn't cut it, but back when it was released it definately didn't really deserve such bad reviews.

I tried another PS2 rpg today, Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter and i've liked the breath of fire series so far so I thought this one would be better, promised a lot and gave nothing, its pretty bad. I like the psuedo real time combat but again its unneccessarily hard, I spent 2 hours getting to the first boss, got him down to 0hp on the end of my turn, he had another turn and killed me, game over (i've already thinking about trading it in since I hate cheating A.I), Choose restart from a save point roughly an hour away, restart the game with the weapons and skills or complete game over, I choose restart the game thinking I would get all the money, items and exp I'd earned, I didn't get it, also it over rights the only save slot you get forcing a complete restart of the game, oh and did I mention it uses the archaic feature of having to use a save token item to save the game? No tokens, no save and so far no shop sells them and they seem pretty rare.

So for console fans, avoid Dragon Quarter as well. I hate to say it but i'd starting to hate console rpgs, so far i've seen a few gems in a sea of junk and trash.

[Mochan]

Divine Divinity a bugfest? It wasn't bad, certainly there were no game-crippling bugs, I don't ever recall it hanging and chucking me back to Windows though it *might* have a few times, but since I don't remember it must not have been often enough to annoy. And for a game that came out of nowhere I was very satisfied with it and found it to be the best old-school RPG in a long time.

If Might and Magic 9 is anything like 7 and 8, then I say it deserves all the crap reviews it got. And as Aku said, Wiz 8 was out at the time and there's absolutely no reason to play crap like the M&M final trilogy when you've got great games like Wizardry 8 to play. Same kind of game, done a million times better.

however you can only attack in 2D (left to right) whilst the enemy can attack from 3D (All Sides) also some battles are very hard.

Well the Tales series has always been about fighting in 2D so I don't think this'll be a problem, and very hard battles aren't necessarily bad for me. Well I'll have to see when I get myself a copy. Is it out on PS2 already?

You don't like Breath of Fire 5? I thought it was one of the best RPGs on the PS2. Survival RPG, coolness. It was hard but nothing too hard, I finished it easily in a day and it was a great ride.

The save token bit is great, the theme was Survival RPG, it forces you to play good and it gives you a sense of urgency what with the Dragon Meter and limited resources. I can see how it wouldn't appeal to everyone but it was a most excellent game with incredible atmosphere (a lot of it due to the save system). I'll say it again, PC gamers have been spoiled by quicksaving anywhere that their playing skills have deteriorated from too much reliance on the save, I know my skills have gone down a lot due to the availability of saving.

[Friend_Bear]

Its not that Mochan, most avid gamers get spoiled very easily, it only takes one awesome game of any genre to do it, then all other games of the same genre that don't shape up, are put down, people say they suck and tons of other things, Star Ocean 3 on PS2 is what spoiled me, its a really great rpg and I see the others i've played as junk compared to it lol. Just look at 'Hieremias' healthy obcession with Morrowind ask him the same question and bingo, no other rpg on the P.C will quite shape up it unless it can beat it. Same way HL2 has spoiled me for FPS, since its one of the best i've played.

Once we play decent games and raise our standards and the games we play that don't cut it, suck in each and everyones mind, if everyone always agreed then the world would be a dull place.

[Hieremias]

But it's true, next to Morrowind all other RPGs are crap. Okay I can temporarily enjoy some of them, like Gothic 2. But it's like eating a candy bar compared to Morrowind's steak & seafood dinner.

Before Morrowind there were a number of really good RPGs, like the Baldur's Gate and Fallout series. But these just don't compare to the granddaddy. (Disclaimer: Fallout is still fun, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.) Which is why I'm hoping and expecting Oblivion to the the ultimate Mecca of gaming.

I've never played Star Ocean 3, don't really want to. At the risk of sounding racist, I'm going to go on a limb and make a sweeping generalization: In the history of the Japanese culture they have never, ever, ever released a decent form of entertainment on ANY medium. Which is probably why I'm not a console gamer.

Don't get me wrong, I love their cars. I'm quite happy with my Toyota. But Japanese video games, yuck, not interested. I don't do the cartoony-androgynous-anime crap.

[Suicides-by-Steve]

You mean, next to Neverwinter Nights, Morrowind comes in second. I can assure you it does... I've (and many others here, and abroad) have put in many more hours into NWN than Morrowind... and still do, simply because of the online play. I have never played a game as long (nor loaded it up as many times) as I have with NWN. I haven't stopped playing the game for 6 months straight now... Hell, where do you think I've been all this time!?

It helps as well that my wife is just as hooked and play online together and by LAN. Try that with Morrowind. Hopefully Oblivion with be online, if not, I'll be betting my cash on NWN2 for being the winner once again... yet this time I'll be creating a Persistent World of my own. Each time I play, I always want to try another character career or Feat combo... there's just so many ways to play the game... it's really kind of embarrassing for Morrowind, really it is... :p

I mean even after 3 years, there's still 5200 people playing online... and many of those on long-standing PW servers.... servers that have taken 3 years to develop, and offer so much to even the casual player. Here's hoping that Obsidian (aka Black Isle) keeps NWN2 as open-ended as Bioware did with NWN. If they do, Morrowind 4 will just be a footnote in RPG history... kind of like Morrowind 3 is when compared next to NWN.

[moya]

In the history of the Japanese culture they have never, ever, ever released a decent form of entertainment on ANY medium.

Oh boy... That's just begging for... heh heh... Nah, never mind.

[Hieremias]

You mean, next to Neverwinter Nights, Morrowind comes in second. I can assure you it does... I've (and many others here, and abroad) have put in many more hours into NWN than Morrowind... and still do, simply because of the online play. I have never played a game as long (nor loaded it up as many times) as I have with NWN. I haven't stopped playing the game for 6 months straight now... Hell, where do you think I've been all this time!?

It helps as well that my wife is just as hooked and play online together and by LAN. Try that with Morrowind. Hopefully Oblivion with be online, if not, I'll be betting my cash on NWN2 for being the winner once again... yet this time I'll be creating a Persistent World of my own. Each time I play, I always want to try another character career or Feat combo... there's just so many ways to play the game... it's really kind of embarrassing for Morrowind, really it is... :p

I mean even after 3 years, there's still 5200 people playing online... and many of those on long-standing PW servers.... servers that have taken 3 years to develop, and offer so much to even the casual player. Here's hoping that Obsidian (aka Black Isle) keeps NWN2 as open-ended as Bioware did with NWN. If they do, Morrowind 4 will just be a footnote in RPG history... kind of like Morrowind 3 is when compared next to NWN.
Heh, nah. Neverwinter Nights may very well be the best multiplayer RPG, but it's really not much more than a dungeon-hack. You always claim it to be a MMORPG without the fees, which is good, but it also essentially reduces the gameplay to "Hey guys, let's go beat up some monsters!" It doesn't even remotely begin to offer a world as rich and detailed as Morrowind's to explore.

Though this does remind me, I've been meaning to give NWN another go. Still a good game, perhaps the best in its field, but clearly in a lower playing field than Morrowind. I expect the same will apply to their respective sequels. NWN2 will offer a great multiplayer experience and a fun dungeon-hack, but Oblivion will be an order of magnitude better.

[Mochan]

Star Ocean 3 on PS2 is what spoiled me, its a really great rpg and I see the others i've played as junk compared to it lol.

Well, can't really argue with that. I get spoiled by great games, too, which is why I've been on a PC RPG criticizing streak since Fallout 2, why I've been dissing all Final Fantasies ever since playing Suikoden 2.

As for Morrowind, while I totally enjoyed Morrowind, there were lots of problems with it, and I'm still looking for the perfect PC RPG. Here's to hoping TES4 will fulfill all the things I felt Morrowind was unable to address.


In the history of the Japanese culture they have never, ever, ever released a decent form of entertainment on ANY medium.

Oh, Hieremias, this is for you:

http://www.petitiononline.com/cutiepie/petition.html

If they do, Morrowind 4 will just be a footnote in RPG history... kind of like Morrowind 3 is when compared next to NWN.

That's just your personal history! I mean only in your history does there exist a Morrowind 3 and 4, in the real world there's no such thing. ;)

[Aku]

Oh, Hieremias, this is for you:

http://www.petitiononline.com/cutiepie/petition.html


LOL!!

[Suicides-by-Steve]

Heh, nah. Neverwinter Nights may very well be the best multiplayer RPG, but it's really not much more than a dungeon-hack. You always claim it to be a MMORPG without the fees, which is good, but it also essentially reduces the gameplay to "Hey guys, let's go beat up some monsters!" It doesn't even remotely begin to offer a world as rich and detailed as Morrowind's to explore.

Though this does remind me, I've been meaning to give NWN another go. Still a good game, perhaps the best in its field, but clearly in a lower playing field than Morrowind. I expect the same will apply to their respective sequels. NWN2 will offer a great multiplayer experience and a fun dungeon-hack, but Oblivion will be an order of magnitude better.

Hmmm, I would dispute your point further, and with a point to make, a point that is hard to refute... I'm not just saying that NWN is the best RPG because I am a rabid fan, I'm saying that NWN is the better game, because of one simple thing... something I told Renzatic years ago... Morrowind would have been the best game ever had there been multiplayer... yet it's not, because it doesn't. So there... irrefutable proof that NWN is the clear winner! LOL ;)

Seriously though, if the game had multiplayer, I would have crowned Morrowind as RPG king, and while it is my second favourite RPG (along with Divine Divinity), playing with yourself (sic), with stale NPC's gets old and tiresome relatively quickly. Keep in mind as well, there is simply plenty of RPG players out there that could never "get" the idea behind Morrowind, many who have dropped by here and stated as much (and who we've made fun of to boot, for not appreciating such finery and open-endedness in an RPG). As for Morrowind not being a hack and slash RPG... my character with a 100 skill in Longsword states otherwise. While the game is certainly centred about exploration... those last couple of expansion packs had you fighting HORDES of creatures.

However, NWN could (with the right amount of creative talent and input) have a similar experience... I can and will prove it in the future... I created a map once (a precursor to a PW server I was contemplating designing) where Renzatic tested it out and exclaimed... "Finally, a map you can lost in!" That's the stuff I want to hear... because it's what made Morrowind so much fun; therefore it IS possible, with someone willing to put the time into doing so.

So while NWN tends to be hack and slash, it's no fault of the engine, but every bit the fault of the designers. If you ever intend to fire up NWN again, I implore you to test out
Adventure Island (http://www.adv-island.com/). It has a robust Crafting system, treasure hunting, Diety Slaying, and a constant influx of new and old mature players that enjoy the cross between RPGing, guild wars, and combat. The division between Good and Evil is especially nice, where someone who may treat you civilly in a guarded city environment, turns into a horrible opponent out in the wilds. Again, kudos to Legolas for turning me onto the server. I haven't looked back since (except for my occasional romp through Neversummer Nights), and it has renewed my insistance on creating a PW world in NWN2.

[Hieremias]

Oh, Hieremias, this is for you:

http://www.petitiononline.com/cutiepie/petition.html
Well that does me no good, it's only about the US. Find me one about Canada and I'll sign it! :)

[Hieremias]

Hmmm, I would dispute your point further, and with a point to make, a point that is hard to refute... I'm not just saying that NWN is the best RPG because I am a rabid fan, I'm saying that NWN is the better game, because of one simple thing... something I told Renzatic years ago... Morrowind would have been the best game ever had there been multiplayer... yet it's not, because it doesn't. So there... irrefutable proof that NWN is the clear winner! LOL ;)
Yeah but I don't care about multiplayer. It just turns the game into a hack-fest, it destroys any kind of immersion. NWN is a fun game, but it doesn't even remotely try to immerse you in another world. Morrowind succeeds with flying colours.

Multiplayer Morrowind? Ewww, no thanks. Like I said, multiplayer reduces the gameplay to "Hey guys, lets go smack a bunch of monsters to get some XP!" It's fun temporarily, but would destroy a masterpiece like Morrowind.

Keep in mind as well, there is simply plenty of RPG players out there that could never "get" the idea behind Morrowind, many who have dropped by here and stated as much (and who we've made fun of to boot, for not appreciating such finery and open-endedness in an RPG).
Exactly, we made fun of them. I'm not interested in the opinions of those who cannot handle a vast and open-ended world. :)

As for Morrowind not being a hack and slash RPG... my character with a 100 skill in Longsword states otherwise. While the game is certainly centred about exploration... those last couple of expansion packs had you fighting HORDES of creatures.
Actually I haven't tried the expansion pack material. I'm not interested in Tribunal (all in one city? way to screw up the one thing that made Morrowind great), and the Bloodmoon setting doesn't turn my crank.

The main game is definitely NOT a hack-and-slash. A very small percentage of the game time is spent fighting, and then usually on small numbers of powerful creatures. I've never fought more than 3 enemies at a time. Dungeon Siege this is not.

However, NWN could (with the right amount of creative talent and input) have a similar experience... I can and will prove it in the future... I created a map once (a precursor to a PW server I was contemplating designing) where Renzatic tested it out and exclaimed... "Finally, a map you can lost in!" That's the stuff I want to hear... because it's what made Morrowind so much fun; therefore it IS possible, with someone willing to put the time into doing so.
Possibly. If you get this project off the ground I'd like to try it. But you're talking about a theoretical situation. The reality is that right now, nothing in NWN or any of the downloadable content that I've tried gives you a world as rich and detailed as Morrowind. Both games were made with modding in mind, both cater heavily to the creative aspects of the community. Which is good!! The thing is, in Morrowind's case those mods enhance or add to what is fundamentally already a great game. In NWN, the core game itself is quite poor (you've said it many times yourself), you're basically judging the mods alone.

If you ever intend to fire up NWN again, I implore you to test out Adventure Island (http://www.adv-island.com/).
I definitely will, whenever I can find the time. Been quite busy lately, haven't had much gaming time. I haven't touched NWN in ages, and I don't own any of the expansions. Would like to give it another go.

[Aku]

Actually I haven't tried the expansion pack material. I'm not interested in Tribunal (all in one city? way to screw up the one thing that made Morrowind great), and the Bloodmoon setting doesn't turn my crank.

Whoa, timeout. You haven't played Tribunal or Bloodmoon? Tribunal does take place in a narrow city setting, but gives you plenty to do with all the questing and exploring the sewers and catacombs below ground. It is a very different experience from Morrowind, but not in a bad way. It is more tightly focused and linear. It's sort of like a 3D Planescape: Torment. Fills in some details on the whole Morrowind story, too. My favorite moment in Tribunal was when I was infiltrating the Dark Brotherhood undergournd with a companion fighter I'd hired. He fell thorugh a trap in the floor and landed in the middle of a pack of ghouls. By the time I got there he was killed. Vowing revenge, I went back later and slaughtered them all, then made a shrine out of his armor and weapon (sob).

Bloodmoon would probably be more to your liking as Solstheim island is incorporated into the Morrowind map (as opposed to you teleporting to Mournhold, which isn't on any map). So, you can come and go as you please (actually, you can come and go from Mournhold too, but only by teleporting, so there's no sense of a journey). A cool environment (no, make that cold), although all that snow and ice gets a bit much after awhile. You want pesky enemies, try a pack of Rickling Raiders. I downloaded the Lokken mod, which puts another exceptionally designed island on the map next to Solstheim, and comes with its own story and characters.

[Suicides-by-Steve]

"Multiplayer Morrowind? Ewww, no thanks. Like I said, multiplayer reduces the gameplay to "Hey guys, lets go smack a bunch of monsters to get some XP!" It's fun temporarily, but would destroy a masterpiece like Morrowind."

No, it turns the game into: "Hey here's my character, this is what I'm all about, my goal in my characters life is to grow old and craft, own a house, guild, or whatever, and to role-play"... with various other like-minded individuals... Leveling comes as a afterthought mostly for me and others on Adventure Island. Basically one of the main reasons to quest is to explore more of the island, find rare materials, and to advance the AI plotline.

PVP is highly encouraged as well, since the Island is basically split down the line between Good and Evil. Like I said, a person who is a friend in Seafair (a neutrally controlled town- eg- no PVP), could turn out to be rather different, and oppose you vigorously if you are attacking their native town like Malevolent or Celestia. My favourite experience was one night while my wife and I were playing, I had decided I didn't really want to do much except craft...

My wife was giving me a play-by-play about how her and another cleric were going to go to Devour to kill the Half-Fiend there (we're on a LAN)... Well, my other (I was playing as Darke at the time) character is Lawful Evil and held residence in that city. Giggling to myself, I logged off, and then on again as Lorenion (Evil Monk/Thief/Assassin). I waited with bated breath for the goodie-two shoes to arrive. Eventually they did. Coming out of the shadows, I heard my wife gasp... "Oh no, you're not supposed to be here! Don't!", but it was too late, with adrenaline pounding, I struck her down mercifully quick, not even allowing her to cast a single spell, while her Lawful Good Cleric companion attemtped to put up a good show for the next 5 minutes of combat (man I went through a lot of healing).

Leading him around Devour, I banded with the Balor Guards, and Half-Fiends to rally to my cause. Although he killed me, the other denizens (NPC guards) of the realm quickly finished him off, since he used up all of his healing with me, and his final resting place was marked by a Tombstone! Now if that isn't role-playing... I don't know what is... especially considering he still talks to my wife, and my other Evil char Darke... Now if I run into him as Lorenion... fists will fly again... and we both know it's just a matter of time.

Try that in your single-player Morrowind.

Anyway, one reason I DO bring up the mods so often when relating to NWN is because it is an integral part of the game as a whole. I don't know if you remember the old ad they had when the game was first going to print, but it still remains poignant to this day... One box, Unlimited Adventures...

[Aku]

Coming out of the shadows, I heard my wife gasp... "Oh no, you're not supposed to be here! Don't!", but it was too late, with adrenaline pounding, I struck her down mercifully quick, not even allowing her to cast a single spell, while her Lawful Good Cleric companion attemtped to put up a good show for the next 5 minutes of combat (man I went through a lot of healing).

I'm surprised she didn't strike you down literally as you sat at your keyboard.

[Suicides-by-Steve]

I'm surprised she didn't strike you down literally as you sat at your keyboard.

Ha... It was a mixture of shock, repugnance, and laughter that greeted me when all was said and done... At first she was mad, but then she actually started laughing... I think that was about the moment when she realised that she actually loved the game... It was funny though watching her try to explain to her travelling companion that she had no knowledge of what I did, beforehand (and she didn't). To this day they are still plotting their revenge on Lorenion... I know when they are plotting, because I can hear them laughing to each other... and she covers the messages she's writing... either that or I'm about to lose my wife to some medieval chap online! LOL ;)

[Friend_Bear]

I really need to install NWN and the expansions on my comp, my expansions are still sealed since I never got to play them yet lol!

[Hieremias]

Man, I wish my fiancee would get into gaming. I have to give her credit, she does try. She sat down and played UT2004 with me the other day. We set up an Onslaught game with the two of us on a LAN, and my cousin connected online, and a bunch of bots with the AI setting on ridiculously stupid (or as I like to call it, "Arts Major"). She INSISTED we play on the same team, and it took her 5 minutes just to figure out how to move where she wanted to go, and another 5 minutes to figure out how to change guns and shoot. But by the end she was doing pretty well, was getting some kills and figuring out how to pilot the vehicles. I doubt she'll ever be as uber-geeky as Steve's wife though.

[Suicides-by-Steve]

Well, we were playing in a large group last night (this time purely powergaming), yet after all the role-playing was done (we chatted in the city for a while, and chased around fairies and Soul Renders- don't ask). Running into the Deugar Depths (drak dwarf territory), my wifes' machine crashed. She immediately responded to the crash with- "That's it! We need a new computer!" Holy crap, I thought to myself... Did I just hear what I thought? I responded non-chalantly... "Yeah, it would stop those nasty crashes, and you'd get nicer water effects too!" Heh, heh!

While the group was waiting for her to reboot and log on again, I told everyone what she had said. I was greeted by a round of cheers from all in the party (they were all guys)! LOL She wondered what was going on, so I told her... I mean it's not everyday that your wife is demanding that you go out to get a new computer so that she can play games on it! LOL I can't believe my luck sometimes... and perfect timing too, right before Guild Wars' release... I told her as much myself. The only thing she wants is it in pink :rolleyes: Oh well, I'm sure she'll settle for red. She wants it for Mothers' Day too, even better! Kill two birds with one stone! Wonder what I'll get for Fathers' Day?! She may be geeky, but I love her all the more for the fact that she shares my passion for role-playing.

I mean, I rolled out of bed this morning, and one of the first things out of her mouth related to NWN... I have created a monster I tell you, a monster!

PS Legolas (if you're reading this): Jinnarin and Rug's say "Hi!". I'll send you an email if I don't here back from you in a while.

[Friend_Bear]

lol Steve I'm glad my wife is only into sims games :P