Japan Doesn't Matter, pt.2

[Glockstar]

Japan doesn't matter!

I've argued this and argued this - till I became almost blue in the face -
but now, all I'm going to say is... SEE...

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/news/news_6074796.html

... I TOLD YOU SO!!!

[yacobschlomo]

How does that info prove that Japan does not matter? If I'm not mistaken, the Japanese gamer on average purchases more games. Maybe you should look into the sales numbers for games instead since this is where most of the profits for the videogame industry comes from.

[Twelve]

Yeah, based on your logic, Glockstar, Europe matters much more to the gaming industry than Japan.

And uhh...Europe still means jack when it comes to videogames, trust me. Oh, they're coming along...in recent years some very good games have come from Europe. But clearly, sales numbers do not equal significance in the gaming industry.

Finally, if Japan meant so little to the industry, there wouldn't be so many people trying to convince folks otherwise, and there wouldn't so so much controversy surrounding those attempts.

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[Gadfly2317]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Japan doesn't matter!

I've argued this and argued this - till I became almost blue in the face -
but now, all I'm going to say is... SEE...

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/news/news_6074796.html

... I TOLD YOU SO!!!</div>

Man, you just made yourself look like an ass. That link to worldwide sales figures for PS2 shows that Japan--just one little country--comprised 25% of the total world wides sales of the PS2 console. I guess in your mind that somehow makes Japan irrellevent? That's huge for one country. Not mention the PS2 comes from Japan, and much of the games are developed in Japan. So not only is Japan highly important as a market, consuming by itself up to 1/4 of all gaming electronics, but it is important to note what sells well there, because it is an indicator of trends in gaming that are about to hit in the rest of the world.

Not only are you Blue in the face, but you seem to be a little Red in the neck, as well.

[The Buzz]

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I guess in your mind that somehow makes Japan irrellevent? That's huge for one country. Not mention the PS2 comes from Japan, and much of the games are developed in Japan. So not only is Japan highly important as a market, consuming by itself up to 1/4 of all gaming electronics, but it is important to note what sells well there, because it is an indicator of trends in gaming that are about to hit in the rest of the world.

Not only are you Blue in the face, but you seem to be a little Red in the neck, as well.</div>



PS2 shipments exceed 60 million


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SCEI announces that cumulative worldwide shipments of the PS2 have exceeded 60 million units.

Sony Computer Entertainment has today announced that cumulative worldwide shipments of the PlayStation 2 exceeded 60 million units on September 6. The PS2 was launched in Japan on March 4, 2000, and the figure of 60 million units achieved since then took the original PlayStation console an additional 13 months to reach. The breakdown of the shipments by territory as of September 6 is as follows:



"Man, you just made yourself look like an ass. That link to worldwide sales figures for PS2 shows that Japan--just one little country--comprised 25% of the total world wides sales of the PS2 console."


Japan and Asia - 14.17 million units
North America - 26.42 million units
Europe/PAL - 19.44 million units
Worldwide total - 60.03 million units


This is units "shipped" not sold. Now if I'm not mistaken it also says Japan <b>and</b> Asia...so your assesment of Japan accounting for 25% is wrong. Asia's a pretty BIG place.

I think in your haste to defend Japan you were a little over zealous. Why do people feel so obligated to defend Japan anyway? What's wrong with other countries getting into the act? Who does it hurt? Besides, Japan's Sony doesn't need defending nor does Nintendo . They both make mega millions a year because of us. They don't care if we get a raise or graduate with straight "A's" or have a happy and healthy family. They just want our MONEY!!!! People defend these companies like they're family for goodness sake! MS is no different.

[trebor]

Japan doesn't matter!

I've argued this and argued this - till I became almost blue in the face -
but now, all I'm going to say is... SEE...

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/news/news_6074796.html

... I TOLD YOU SO!!!

You are such a hypocrite.

Explain to me why it's okay for you to insult Nintendo fans when they write off a 3rd party publisher dropping Cube support because their games "suck" and you writing off the Xbox's utterly dismal performance in Japan because they don't count?

That is highly contradictory and totally moronic. Do you not see the similarities there?

Oh yeah, some other questions for you...if Japan truly doesn't count, how come the videogame industry is dominated by a Japanese company? Hmmm? If Japan really didn't matter, why are the two Japanese consoles beating the American console in worldwide sales? Can you answer those questions or are you going to slink away like normal when you are losing an argument. Go ahead, I dare you to come up with some kind of argument.

Also, aren't you the one who *****es about people starting new threads when they could just continue the one that has already been started? Yes, I believe that was you.

[tekbit]

<div class=\"smallfont\">You are such a hypocrite.

Explain to me why it's okay for you to insult Nintendo fans when they write off a 3rd party publisher dropping Cube support because their games "suck" and you writing off the Xbox's utterly dismal performance in Japan because they don't count?

That is highly contradictory and totally moronic. Do you not see the similarities there?

Oh yeah, some other questions for you...if Japan truly doesn't count, how come the videogame industry is dominated by a Japanese company? Hmmm? If Japan really didn't matter, why are the two Japanese consoles beating the American console in worldwide sales? Can you answer those questions or are you going to slink away like normal when you are losing an argument. Go ahead, I dare you to come up with some kind of argument.

Also, aren't you the one who *****es about people starting new threads when they could just continue the one that has already been started? Yes, I believe that was you.</div>

Very good point. The whole argument is simply ridiculous anyway. I don't understand why someone can say the the Japanese market dosent matter. Oh we don't need their units and game titles, right? But we darn sure need those sony laptops and samsung cell phones don't we. Or is the gaming industry their only gold mine?

[tekbit]

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Very good point. The whole argument is simply ridiculous anyway. I don't understand why someone can say the the Japanese market dosent matter. Oh we don't need their units and game titles, right? But we darn sure need those sony laptops and samsung cell phones don't we. Or is the gaming industry their only gold mine?</div>

Excuse me samsung is actually a korean company. but my point is and everyone else's is that we can not deny the major influence that the japanese market has had on our country. Similar to the way american culture influences everyone else. we all take from each other, thats the way things are.

[Glockstar]

Wow. This is the biggest collection of idiotic repsonses I've ever seen.
(Buzzy's being the only exception.)

None of you get it do you?!?

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... If I'm not mistaken, the Japanese gamer on average purchases more games. Maybe you should look into the sales numbers for games instead since this is where most of the profits for the videogame industry comes from.
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But you are mistaken; maybe you should look into it!


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Yeah, based on your logic, Glockstar, Europe matters much more to the gaming industry than Japan.

And uhh...Europe still means jack when it comes to videogames, trust me. Oh, they're coming along...in recent years some very good games have come from Europe. But clearly, sales numbers do not equal significance in the gaming industry.
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Another chump who perverts logic - you people make me sick.

Trust you, eh? LOL! I don't think so! I don't think anybody here's going to trust you after such an erroneous post. "Clearly sales numbers do not equal significance in the gaming industry"?!? :confused: Wow.


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Man, you just made yourself look like an ass. That link to worldwide sales figures for PS2 shows that Japan--just one little country--comprised 25% of the total world wides sales of the PS2 console. I guess in your mind that somehow makes Japan irrellevent? That's huge for one country. Not mention the PS2 comes from Japan, and much of the games are developed in Japan. So not only is Japan highly important as a market, consuming by itself up to 1/4 of all gaming electronics, but it is important to note what sells well there, because it is an indicator of trends in gaming that are about to hit in the rest of the world.
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HAW! You're the one that looks like the ass!
"Japan and Asia - 14.17 million units" <--- What does that say again?!?
You are really slipping, man.

And oh yeah, "... [Japan] is an indicator of trends in gaming that are about to hit in the rest of the world."? Izzatso? Why don't you take a look at these Top Sales charts from Japan over various periods...

http://www.gamecubeland.com/index.php?page=news&news_id=936

http://www.gamecubeland.com/index.php?page=news&news_id=1484

http://www.gamecubeland.com/index.php?page=news&news_id=1625

... and then tell me about those "trends" again?


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I don't understand why someone can say the the Japanese market dosent matter. Oh we don't need their units and game titles, right?
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Again, wtf does the Japanese market have to do with their units and games sold here, in the NA, market?!? Well I'll tell ya... it means tee tee; very little! And I'll tell you this too, you've really confused your issues and your post is way off-base.

The point of this post was to reveal that Japan (and Asia) is the littlest market. It's not insignificant, but the other two markets mean more - this article I linked to (indirectly) proves that.

(And I think MS needs to realize it too, and quit wasting their efforts over there.)

[Tappy_Tibbons]

meh...

sales are still higher here and in Europe because...MORE PEOPLE LIVE HERE AND IN EUROPE...GEEZ...WTF DID YOU PEOPLE EXPECT?

Japan doesn't matter. I can't think of a single Japanese game that looks worth my time other than Ninja Gaiden.

[Twelve]

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Trust you, eh? LOL! I don't think so! I don't think anybody here's going to trust you after such an erroneous post. "Clearly sales numbers do not equal significance in the gaming industry"?!? :confused: Wow.


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That was in no way a rebuttal to my post. Try again, please.

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[yacobschlomo]

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But you are mistaken; maybe you should look into it!


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I'm not the one who is trying to prove something

[Superboler]

Japan doesn't matter to the extent that it's apparent they will remain staunch nationalists. It's silly how MS still goes out of its way to woo that market. It was time to write off that market some time back.

[Gadfly2317]

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Again, wtf does the Japanese market have to do with their units and games sold here, in the NA, market?!? Well I'll tell ya... it means tee tee; very little! And I'll tell you this too, you've really confused your issues and your post is way off-base.

The point of this post was to reveal that Japan (and Asia) is the littlest market. It's not insignificant, but the other two markets mean more - this article I linked to (indirectly) proves that.

(And I think MS needs to realize it too, and quit wasting their efforts over there.)[/QUOTE]</div>

Well then. . . I guess MS is not as bright as you when it comes to marketting. Maybe they should hire you to tell them how unimportant Japan (and asia) is. They obviously think it is necessary to get a foothold there. You say it is the littlest market? OK, so its just 25% of the market, and NA/Europe are 75%of the market (approx) If you are competing with two other companies for sales dominance in 100% of the market, and your producting is coming in at nearly 0 in a quarter of the market place, that is important, right? If your competitor is neck and neck in NA/EU with you, but stomping you in Japan and Asia, you've got problems. And that's why MS (which isn't as smart as you) is still trying to find a way to crack that market. Giving up is not an option if the xbox isn't to end up on the scrap heap of console history.

[Gadfly2317]

>>>Again, wtf does the Japanese market have to do with their units and games sold here, in the NA, market?!? Well I'll tell ya... it means tee tee; very little! And I'll tell you this too, you've really confused your issues and your post is way off-base.

The point of this post was to reveal that Japan (and Asia) is the littlest market. It's not insignificant, but the other two markets mean more - this article I linked to (indirectly) proves that.

(And I think MS needs to realize it too, and quit wasting their efforts over there.)<<<

Well then Glockstar. . . I guess MS is not as bright as you when it comes to marketting. Maybe they should hire you to tell them how unimportant Japan (and asia) is. They obviously think it is necessary to get a foothold there. You say it is the littlest market? OK, so its just 25% of the market, and NA/Europe are 75%of the market (approx) If you are competing with two other companies for sales dominance in 100% of the market, and your producting is coming in at nearly 0 in a quarter of the market place, that is important, right? If your competitor is neck and neck in NA/EU with you, but stomping you in Japan and Asia, you've got problems. And that's why MS (which isn't as smart as you) is still trying to find a way to crack that market. Giving up is not an option if the xbox isn't to end up on the scrap heap of console history.[/QUOTE]</div>

[folken001]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Japan doesn't matter!

I've argued this and argued this - till I became almost blue in the face -
but now, all I'm going to say is... SEE...

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/news/news_6074796.html

... I TOLD YOU SO!!!</div>

Is it true that Xbox makes people dumber? Because you seem even more stupid than before...

Japan doesn't matter? Hmmm, lets see....two out of three consoles in the market are made by the Japanese...... Nope, there is no need to think, you are just a dumbass.

[tekbit]

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Is it true that Xbox makes people dumber? Because you seem even more stupid than before...

Japan doesn't matter? Hmmm, lets see....two out of three consoles in the market are made by the Japanese...... Nope, there is no need to think, you are just a dumbass.</div>

LMAO. That just about closes this thread.

[trebor]

Wow. This is the biggest collection of idiotic repsonses I've ever seen.

Yeah, all coming from you. What a shock.

None of you get it do you?!?

Seem like you are the one who does not get "it".

Another chump who perverts logic - you people make me sick.

Well, now you know how we all feel after reading your asinine BS day in day out.

HAW! You're the one that looks like the ass!
Japan and Asia - 14.17 million unitsWhat does that say again?!?

Jee. It seems to say that the Japanese alone have bought more PS2's than the entire world has bought Xbox's. But they don't count, right moron?

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That's quite the brilliant response to my argument. Thank you for proving to me and the rest of the VGR regulars that you are indeed a jackass.

The point of this post was to reveal that Japan (and Asia) is the littlest market. It's not insignificant, but the other two markets mean more - this article I linked to (indirectly) proves that.

Oh is that what it proves? It seems to prove to the rest of us that your blinding ignorance can't even see that the Japanese market singlehandedly is keeping the Xbox in the lowly 3rd place ranking for worldwide sales. Because they have a big enough market to put Xbox well over the Gamecube in sales. You think M$ is going to continue to lose billions of dollars so they can be third place?

You're kind of making me have second thoughts about you having any sort of intelligence whatsoever. Are you truly as stupid as you are making yourself out to be in this thread? You now officially can take the King Assclown title from "The Game" and place it firmly on your potato-shaped head.

[Glockstar]

Aww, sticking up for the little guy... isn't that cute.

The problem is, this little guy is no underdog.
In fact, this little guy is the most overrated entity on the planet! Especially when it comes to videogames!

As the sales numbers clearly indicate...

Japan and Asia - 14.17 million units
North America - 26.42 million units
Europe/PAL - 19.44 million units

... the other two markets mean more!

So why they hell must we be subjected to inconsequential data from Japan, while we hear virtually nothing from the European front?!? Our gaming tastes are much more similar, the available games are virtually the same, and we actually get to play against/with them on-line! If there's any "other-worldy" news to be heard, it should come from there, not Japan!

Thing is, the only reason that we do hear of Japan's shenanigans is because of the PS2 coppertops and GC brownie hounds like yourself. The supporters of these Japanese products act like they're in some stuck-up club or something. I mean look at that site, GamecubeLand, it's a perfect example of what I'm talking about. They frequently post Japanese news (and seemingly worship every bit of it) while having no European content whatsoever! Why? Because their attitude is that Nintendo, as a Japanese company, is the end-all-beat-all of the companies in their field. And it's no coincidence that Nintendo is a Japanese company, right? So anybody following any other company, or developments from any other country, would be mistaken in their efforts and destined for dissapointment. And... why follow European gaming developments when Japan doesn't?

Too bad the reverse is what's true. And it's you clowns who are the ones who are really missing out! Step outside of the box! And look at the sales numbers again... Japan is not where "it is at"!

So you guys, and those sites, that are talking Japanese this, and Japanese that, are talking... really stupid. I mean, even the Japanese people themselves aren't buying into it!

[Twelve]

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They frequently post Japanese news (and seemingly worship every bit of it) while having no European content whatsoever! Why? Because their attitude is that Nintendo, as a Japanese company, is the end-all-beat-all of the companies in their field.</div>

No.

They post no European gaming news because....

NOTHING IS HAPPENING IN EUROPE...especially when it comes to console gaming. In the PC world, that's something...but Europe is mostly a complete taker in the world of console gaming. They give almost nothing.

Not so with Japan. Like it or not(and we see that you don't like it), Japanese games are still popular all around the world. As long as this is the case, Japanese news will still be important to many people.

This is, actually, a very interesting thread because it is proving that sales numbers aren't the only thing that matter when it comes to industry significance.

You would be correct to say that Japan is mattering LESS...that I'll give to you, Glockstar. But to go and say that Japan doesn't matter at ALL...that's preposterous. And to say that Europe is MORE important than Japan...that's downright hilarious.

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[trebor]

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Allright, chump, here is the one single reason why Japan is important, counts and matters.

A Japanese company, Sony, dominates the industry.

Period. No if's, and's or but's. There is nothing you can say that will change the FACT that Sony dominates the industry and is a Japanese company. Nintendo, the other Japanese company that is beating M$'s Xbox, is also from Japan.

Why do we (we as in PS2er's and Cuber's) care about Japan so much? Because a large chunk of the software that we will be playing comes out in Japan first and NA second and Europe a distant third. Why don't you care? Because the Japanese are slowly detaching themselves from your little Xbox. You have 1 major territory that produces games for Xbox with Europe adding titles here and there.

Is that supposed to be variety? Having only one region support your system?

[Glockstar]

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They post no European gaming news because....

NOTHING IS HAPPENING IN EUROPE...especially when it comes to console gaming. In the PC world, that's something...but Europe is mostly a complete taker in the world of console gaming. They give almost nothing.</div>

Talk about preposterous statements!
You ever hear of these games: Donkey Kong Country, Goldeneye, Splinter Cell, Ghost Recon, XIII, Prince of Persia, or Fable? Yeah? You've heard of them? Well good, because you should have - a few of those games have brought home GOTY honors! Hmmm... Rare, UbiSoft, Lionhead Studios, Infogrames/Atari... yep - all come out of Europe. Or did you know that too... and you're just pretending...?

(Time out for trivia, y'all :cool: ... developing house Factor 5 was originally founded in Germany.
'Who's Factor 5?' :p )

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This is, actually, a very interesting thread because it is proving that sales numbers aren't the only thing that matter when it comes to industry significance.

You would be correct to say that Japan is mattering LESS...that I'll give to you, Glockstar. But to go and say that Japan doesn't matter at ALL...that's preposterous. And to say that Europe is MORE important than Japan...that's downright hilarious.
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Why would that be hilarious? Because they don't make a videogame [I]console? Well no duh - there are virtually no electronics equipment whatsoever that come out of Europe! But that doesn't mean that they don't buy them. (Or make them, for that matter.) Anyhow, what's your point? What's so hilarious about saying that Europe is more important than Japan? You've seen the PS2 sales numbers, yes?

You're the one that's hilarious. Tell us, Sherlock... what other thing has been proven to you to matter as far as "industry significance"?

Now c'mon, I've made two assertions with regards to the "insignificance" of Japan...
1) that the Japanese market is so dissimilar to the/our NA market that it is irrelevant; and
2) that the Japanese market is not as big as many people would like to believe and it is of the littlest consequence to business dollars and sales.

... and I've backed both up with facts.

So what's your counter? Some half-cocked, knee-jerk, butt-faced lie about European developments and contributions to videogames! Whatever.

Part of your problem boy, is that you've confused being a smart-aleck with being smart. Your "logic" is flawed and you have no argument... because you have no facts! Now it's your turn to back up something... or just back up.

ALL OF YOU need to get it thru your thick heads that, comparitively speaking, Japan does not deserve the attention that it's getting. Either from businesses (i.e. Microsoft) or from NA consumers. When Japanese products come stateside then it becomes news; but beyond that, reports of what's happening in Japan (like weekly sales reports) are trivial! Japan should be watching our market, not the other way around.

Unless you're a North American company looking to do business in Japan. Like Chris said in another thread, if MS wants to do business over there then they need to be watching the Jap. market. (But that still doesn't mean that we need to.) And I'll bet that a lot of the reasons why the XBox is not selling over there is because MS did/has not paid attention to what the Japanese consumers are buying. Or at least very well. One of Microsofts strengths is their marketing... but come on... what the hell are they thinking?!? (Or... what the hell are they doing over there?!?)

[Twelve]

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NOTHING IS HAPPENING IN EUROPE...especially when it comes to console gaming. In the PC world, that's something...but Europe is mostly a complete taker in the world of console gaming. They give almost nothing.

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I need to quote myself here, and emphasize a couple of things:

"but Europe is MOSTLY..."
"They(Europe) give ALMOST..."

I certainly know that Europe is responsible for some big games. If you want to play trivia, I bet you never knew that the GTA series is just as much English as it is American. Here, look:

http://www.take2games.com/index.php?p=corporate_overview

And the GTA series contains the most popular game ever made.(If not, then I'll be surprised)

Still, in comparison to what Japan HAS brought, IS bringing, and WILL bring, Europe most certainly has a looooong way to go.

If it was an exaggeration on my part to say that "Nothing is happening in Europe", then it was also an exaggeration on your part to say "Japan means nothing".

To be fair, Europe is meaning more. To be fair, Japan is meaning less.

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[yacobschlomo]

Just wanted to make a comment about the sales numbers. Some seem to think that the total sales for Europe/Pal includes only Europe. Pal regions include the Middle East, Africa (South Africa), Australia, and South America.

[Twelve]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Just wanted to make a comment about the sales numbers. Some seem to think that the total sales for Europe/Pal includes only Europe. Pal regions include the Middle East, Africa (South Africa), Australia, and South America.</div>


Exactly. At least Australia takes a huge chunk out of what people might think of as Europe's total numbers. Are we prepared to say that Australia is a gaming industry power?

Naaaaaaaaaah.


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