Nintendo Prez Iwata a WEAKLING and PUPPET

[Ritchie Nolasco]

Back when Hiroshi "Old Bastard" Yamauchi stepped down from Nintendo's presidency, I thought reforms and modernization would come to Nintendo's core with Iwata as his successor.

But then Iwata simply continued to implement Yamauchi's old-but-useless values and practices in the gaming biz.

While Nintendo's GameCube got an increase of adult-oriented games, the company still has the wholesome and kiddy policy and image running. Heck, you can see just how GAY the GameCube was designed along with its pathetic controller.

It would be suicidal for Nintendo not to release franchise games but the fact remained is that each and everyone of these titles (Mario Sunshine, Metroid Prime and others) FAILED to move hardware sales forward for the GameCube. This despite selling millions in software pieces.

Back in the 16-bit and 64-bit era, Nintendo franchise games could help sell SNES and N64s. This did not happen to the GameCube at all.

Heck, it was Rogue Squadron in 2001 that pushed GC sales forward.

Yamauchi never believed in online gaming (and maybe he does not believe in the internet as well) and this explains why Nintendo is moving way too slow on it. Nintendo diehards would love to play over-rated games like SSBM online (gay Nintendo characters fighting each other) but even the powers that be at Nintendo would not listen since Yamauchi literally brainwashed everyone.

As long as Nintendo carries Yamauchi's beliefs, the company will only lose the hardware and software battles of gaming. Nintendo's LOSING NOW as we speak.

Yamauchi: The Evil Emperor
Iwata: The Evil Emperor's Puppet

[Renzatic Gear]

Yamauchi steals porridge from orphans too while Iwata sits back and laughs at their hunger..damn those evil emperors and their lackeys.

To contradict your weird ass Nolasco Logic for a second, if Nintendo is losing the system war so badly then that'd make Yamauchi and Iwata pretty crappy evil emperors wouldn't it? I guess they just spend their days grabbing walkers from old ladies in the park while their more successful evil counterparts (Herr Gates Die Fuhrer and The Evil Sony Corporate Hive Mind) do more dastardly deeds.

It's not your fault you're weird, Ritchie. I blame Southern Comfort and FAS for the way you turned out.

[trebor]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Yamauchi steals porridge from orphans too while Iwata sits back and laughs at their hunger..damn those evil emperors and their lackeys.

To contradict your weird ass Nolasco Logic for a second, if Nintendo is losing the system war so badly then that'd make Yamauchi and Iwata pretty crappy evil emperors wouldn't it? I guess they just spend their days grabbing walkers from old ladies in the park while their more successful evil counterparts (Herr Gates Die Fuhrer and The Evil Sony Corporate Hive Mind) do more dastardly deeds.

It's not your fault you're weird, Ritchie. I blame Southern Comfort and FAS for the way you turned out.</div>

And that about sums it up.

Although, you left out the part where the Nintendo Secret Police beat Ritchie's parents to death with a SNES and a couple of controllers, right in front of Ritchie, while Miyamoto watched and laughed with a evil gleam in his eye.

Hey Ritchie! Up your medications a bit - they aren't working anymore.

[Darwin]

<div class=\"smallfont\"> Yamauchi never believed in online gaming (and maybe he does not believe in the internet as well) and this explains why Nintendo is moving way too slow on it.</div>

You know, the GC already has a few games that would kick major ass online. Smash Bro's Melle and the new F-zero. Seriously, F-zero turned out to be a very competant racer that is lacking a bit in long-term depth. But, had the game included an online option, it would have months and months of replay value. F-zero online could really help launch an online GC service. Nintendo is sitting on a potential online winner here .....

[Tappy_Tibbons]

I'd come so close to buying a GC several times but the FACT that TO THIS DAY the big N won't say anything about going online I won't put up with that crap. THey should quit worrying about all the damn $ issues and worry about the CONSUMERS. Geez...how many more GB pokemon colors games are they gonna release before they actually put some TIME AND EFFORT into a frikking FULL SCALE Pokemon RPG for the GC?!

[Gadfly2317]

<div class=\"smallfont\">I'd come so close to buying a GC several times but the FACT that TO THIS DAY the big N won't say anything about going online I won't put up with that crap. THey should quit worrying about all the damn $ issues and worry about the CONSUMERS. Geez...how many more GB pokemon colors games are they gonna release before they actually put some TIME AND EFFORT into a frikking FULL SCALE Pokemon RPG for the GC?!</div>

There's no denying Nintendo has no online plans--at least for this generation. But why are you even close to buying one? Is it because there are many, many superb games on there that you'd like to play?

Consider this, Halo wasn't online, nor Vice City, Nor Devil May Cry, nor most of the games on both PS2 or Xbox. It doesn't detract from how fun they are. Definitely, something like Wolfenstein has much more replay as an online game and Halo II will move Live subscription like you won't believe; but don't let lack of online cause you to miss out on Metroid Prime, F-Zero, Eternal Darkness, Mario Sunshine, Resident Evil-o, Ikaruga and the many, many other exclusives that are unique to GC and very different from what you'll play on the other two systems.

[Glockstar]

<div class=\"smallfont\">I'd come so close to buying a GC several times but the FACT that TO THIS DAY the big N won't say anything about going online I won't put up with that crap. THey should quit worrying about all the damn $ issues and worry about the CONSUMERS. Geez...how many more GB pokemon colors games are they gonna release before they actually put some TIME AND EFFORT into a frikking FULL SCALE Pokemon RPG for the GC?!</div>

Fahgetaboutit!
Trust me, from one on-line fan to another, don't waste your time with the Cube and it's short-lived games. On-line or not, the system's a freaking waste of money!

Just wait a while. (Not a short while either... but at what price, anxiety?) See, sometime in the future you'll be able to play these Cube games on the GBA-SP3000! These mini discs may cost Nintendo now, and the imnediate future (esp. if their next system isn't backwards compatible), but they'll find some use for them down the road, I'm sure.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

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There's no denying Nintendo has no online plans--at least for this generation. But why are you even close to buying one? Is it because there are many, many superb games on there that you'd like to play?

Consider this, Halo wasn't online, nor Vice City, Nor Devil May Cry, nor most of the games on both PS2 or Xbox. It doesn't detract from how fun they are. Definitely, something like Wolfenstein has much more replay as an online game and Halo II will move Live subscription like you won't believe; but don't let lack of online cause you to miss out on Metroid Prime, F-Zero, Eternal Darkness, Mario Sunshine, Resident Evil-o, Ikaruga and the many, many other exclusives that are unique to GC and very different from what you'll play on the other two systems.</div>

Gad, see, everything doesn't have to be online to be great. Halo 1 came before LIVE so in its defense it didnt have to be online.

Some genre's just DONT WORK online...take The Sims online, for instance, it is pretty much known as a failure. And platformers I don't see much potential in online play either...

Don't think that I don't appreciate some of the 1st party nintendo games. All the realistic racers on Xbox and PS2 just don't appeal to me. I would love to have FZero and Mario Kart over anything realistic any day. If MKD turns out getting rave reviews accross the boards, I'll be getting a GC but if it was gonna be online, I'd already HAVE a GC in anticipation. I don't see why Nintendo even wants to bother staying in hardware they'ed make more cash if they just went 3rd party and let electronic computer giants like Sony and MS duke it out. And as far as racers go, you know the only "racer" I have on Xbox? The infinately deep but forgotten Crazy Taxi 3 of course!

[Gaming Geezer 78]

Gad, see, everything doesn't have to be online to be great. Halo 1 came before LIVE so in its defense it didnt have to be online.

Some genre's just DONT WORK online...take The Sims online, for instance, it is pretty much known as a failure. And platformers I don't see much potential in online play either...

Don't think that I don't appreciate some of the 1st party nintendo games. All the realistic racers on Xbox and PS2 just don't appeal to me. I would love to have FZero and Mario Kart over anything realistic any day. If MKD turns out getting rave reviews accross the boards, I'll be getting a GC but if it was gonna be online, I'd already HAVE a GC in anticipation. I don't see why Nintendo even wants to bother staying in hardware they'ed make more cash if they just went 3rd party and let electronic computer giants like Sony and MS duke it out. And as far as racers go, you know the only "racer" I have on Xbox? The infinately deep but forgotten Crazy Taxi 3 of course!

How will Nintendo make more money going third party? They make money off of every system sold unlike Microsoft who takes huge losses on each system sold. Also by being a 1st party developer with their own console, Nintendo rakes in all the profits from the Mario, Zelda, Metroid and other games they make whereas if they were a 3rd party developer-they would have to pay royalties to the console they were developing on.

[Renzatic Gear]

I still say that MS doesn't lose as much money on their hardware as you expect, GF. 100 bucks lost per is stretching it more than a bit, in fact I'd say they're closer to being in the black now than they have been during the box's lifespan.

Hardware value depreciates faster than you'd imagine. This is especially true for the Xbox since it mostly uses standard PC components.

[Glockstar]

<div class=\"smallfont\">How will Nintendo make more money going third party? They make money off of every system sold unlike Microsoft who takes huge losses on each system sold. Also by being a 1st party developer with their own console, Nintendo rakes in all the profits from the Mario, Zelda, Metroid and other games they make whereas if they were a 3rd party developer-they would have to pay royalties to the console they were developing on.</div>

You're so full of full of s**t... !

That BS that the old N is making money off of their GC is the biggest lie ever perpetrated here on SW!

You jack-holes just love to make stuff up don't you?

A long time ago, M$ released news that they were losing money on every XBox sold. Though Nintendo never released any news like that, they also never said that they were making money off GC sales either. It was just an assumption made by some brownie hound somewhere - and an assumption that kitties everywhere easily clung to. But you know what they say about making assumptions, yes?

[trebor]

You're so full of full of s**t... !

That BS that the old N is making money off of their GC is the biggest lie ever perpetrated here on SW!

You jack-holes just love to make stuff up don't you?

A long time ago, M$ released news that they were losing money on every XBox sold. Though Nintendo never released any news like that, they also never said that they were making money off GC sales either. It was just an assumption made by some brownie hound somewhere - and an assumption that kitties everywhere easily clung to. But you know what they say about making assumptions, yes?

Actually, Iwata stated in a press release that Nintendo has never lost money on any of their consoles. Unfortunately, I don't have a link to that press release at this point, but when I find it, I'll post it.

You're wrong. Again.

[trebor]

Here is one quote from a article I've found...

Yoshihiro Mori, managing director of Nintendo, said the cheaper price of the GameCube was intentional.

He said: "It is our basic policy to offer our game machines at a reasonable price for our customers even though it will result in a relatively low profit margin."

Granted, it's an old article, but it states that the Cube will have a low profit margin. The keyword is profit.

[slade]

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You're so full of full of s**t... !

That BS that the old N is making money off of their GC is the biggest lie ever perpetrated here on SW!

You jack-holes just love to make stuff up don't you?

A long time ago, M$ released news that they were losing money on every XBox sold. Though Nintendo never released any news like that, they also never said that they were making money off GC sales either. It was just an assumption made by some brownie hound somewhere - and an assumption that kitties everywhere easily clung to. But you know what they say about making assumptions, yes?</div>

As much as it would comfort you to believe that, it isn't true. And the MS losing money on consoles and the amount of that money is a hot issue among analysts. They keep quoting the 100 - 150 dollar figure so I do think it likely falls within that range.

[Glockstar]

Well here is what I've read...

But with Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony already taking a loss on every console they sell, are they willing to take an even bigger loss now for more profits later from a larger installed base?

[From an article on whether another round of price cuts was coming, called "To Cut Or Not To Cut"; dated July 28, 2003]

http://www.gamemarketwatch.com/news/item.asp?nid=2736

That is the only piece I've ever seen that makes any mention, whatsoever, of the Cubes "profitibility"! And I've scoured the net too!

GameCubeLand is one site I explored thouroughly. They have a huge collection of archived news articles, and though I looked through almost all of them - I found nothing! (Are you guys familiar with the site? You'd love it, they've got tons and tons of articles with news from Japan!) Nintendo is making a profit, yes - but that does not mean that the Cube is! Read...

http://www.gamecubeland.com/index.php?page=news&news_id=920

[Gadfly2317]

Glockstar is right. There are no figures on how much profit is being made on each gamecube sold, though Nintendo has stated it is making a profit on each unit sold. There are also no hard figures on how much is being lost on the Xbox--MS has acknowledged losing money but won't say how much. Companies are keeping these figures secret--one thing is, Sony and Nintendo don't want to say how much they are making on each console. . . .if they bragged about that, it would be like telling the consumer how bad they were getting ripped. With Microsoft, the consumer knows they are getting more for their money because microsoft is losing money. But if you knew that Sony was making $120 profit on every $179 PS2 they sold, you'd feel ripped, right?

So all we've got to go on is what analysts say, and by shareholders reports. All indicators are that the stripped down gamecube with no harddrive, broadband, or dvd player is indeed profitable compared to the feature-rich xbox.

I guess the only point is that even with slower sales than expected, Nintendo has a profitable business model, not only with massive software profits, but also with hardware profits. And that's why speculation that Nintendo is leaving the business is stupid. They make money.

Xbox on the other hand can lose money for only so many years before the plug will be pulled on it. There's no way around that fact.

[Dire_Wolf]

Nintendo doesn't deserve to make money off of anything. How could any of you people treat a company that released 50 versions of Pokemon which all are their best selling titles. Only an idiot could respect the present day state of Nintendo.

[Ritchie Nolasco]

Obviously Nintendo fans here (the WORST bunch ever) prefer to stay away from the topic of this thread and just go "Nintendo rules" like real cowards.

So let's get BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND:

Since Iwata took over Nintendo's presidency, was there any real change since then?

I dare Nintendo fanboys to answer that question! ANSWER!

[mandark]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Obviously Nintendo fans here (the WORST bunch ever) prefer to stay away from the topic of this thread and just go "Nintendo rules" like real cowards.

So let's get BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND:

Since Iwata took over Nintendo's presidency, was there any real change since then?

I dare Nintendo fanboys to answer that question! ANSWER!</div>

The answer is you are a moron Ritchie The Horsy. Just because there was a change in presidency doesn't mean Nintendo should break the mold that made it a successful company. All your BS about Nintendo is nothing more but biased hatred on your part.

What you should really be asking is this question.

Despite the "Failure" of Nintendo to change from its old, unsuccessful ways, as you call it, why in God's name is the GC beating the crap out of your beloved X-box in terms of overall sales and quality titles? After all MS is doing everything "right" in your views? Correct? Answer that you imbecile. ANSWER!

[The Buzz]

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The answer is you are a moron Ritchie The Horsy. Just because there was a change in presidency doesn't mean Nintendo should break the mold that made it a successful company. All your BS about Nintendo is nothing more but biased hatred on your part.

What you should really be asking is this question.

Despite the "Failure" of Nintendo to change from its old, unsuccessful ways, as you call it, why in God's name is the GC beating the crap out of your beloved X-box in terms of overall sales and quality titles? After all MS is doing everything "right" in your views? Correct? Answer that you imbecile. ANSWER!</div>

I know your post was intended for Richie but..."beating the crap out of Xbox in terms of overall sales and quality titles?"

Three points...
(1) sales wise, world wide, it's virtually a dead heat
(2) "quality titles" is personal opinion
(3) Nintendo has been doing the console "thing" for years, something MS hasn't been involved in. All things considered, MS has done a hell of a good job IMO.

[Bob-the-Fish]

M$ is doing a decent job compared to Nintendo this round. But they offered a totally different gaming experience aimed toward a different audience. Xbox is marketed to people between the ages of 13 to probubly 28, but more towards the lower end of the age scale. These teens can scrape together enough to buy a system and a few games to make themselves look cool and mature. GC is marketed to the parents of young kids who have the cash to buy them as gifts. Or nostalgic gamers who want to keep up with the games they grew up with in the late 80's and early 90's.

As for any change in Nintendo, I haven't noticed any. They seem to be producing the same quality system and games they always have. Now there's just other good systems to choose from.

If you don't like Nintendo, don't buy their stuff.

[Ritchie Nolasco]

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As for any change in Nintendo, I haven't noticed any. They seem to be producing the same quality system and games they always have. Now there's just other good systems to choose from.

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Now this is a REAL answer! Thanks!

[Bob-the-Fish]

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Now this is a REAL answer! Thanks!</div>

I assume from your earlier anti-everythin-Nintendo post that this was intended as sarcasm, aimed at me being a "Nintendo Fanboy". If it was, you should know that sarcasm doesn't work well on these boards, I've tried it myself a few times.

What exaclty are you looking for in an answer then? You want to know what's changed since the president stepped down? Not being a big fan of Nintendo's new system myself, I don't keep up with the manegement changes there. I didn't even know this had happened till you brought it up. As far as I can tell Nintendo is doing things the same way they always have. So as far as I can tell, nothing has changed.
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