The Best Action Game Ever: Metal Gear Solid Twin Snakes

[AOE Enforcer]

Having had ample opportunity and spending considerable amounts of time with this title, I have to give it the nod as the best game I have played yet in the 128-bit generation as far as action games go.

Silicon Knights and Konami did the most incredible job of recreating the original MGS experience. Every inch of every level has been completely made-over ala Resident Evil.

Snake now has a 1st person view mode, the ability to do flips & rolls, dangle from railings and use the tranquilizer gun. The cutscenes have all been redone by Konami and show off some truly incredible animations with the in-game engine.

Unlike Ninja Gaiden, Twin Snakes actually gives players the opportunity to play at a level they feel comfortable at instead of forcing you into a frustrating level of difficulty with cheap enemies and crappy camera angles.

And the story? No comparison. Metal Gear Solid basically weaves an incredible tale filled with anti-nuclear ideals. Ninja Gaiden tells the tale of a ninja out for revenge who runs into leather-thong-clad women who fight big demons and enemies who look like they were ripped straight from Jin-Roh.

The only knock that reviewers can come up with against Twin Snakes is that it is the same story as before. But, everyone who plays this game either already knows that or has never played the original to begin with. To put a spin on the signs that christian protesters are holding up in front of the local Family Video every weekend crying about them renting porn ( :rolleyes: )

"Ninja Gaiden hurts, Twin Snakes heals"

[Bob-the-Fish]

If that doesn't get the war started again, I don't know what will ;)

[Nissian X]

Having had ample opportunity and spending considerable amounts of time with this title, I have to give it the nod as the best game I have played yet in the 128-bit generation as far as action games go.

Silicon Knights and Konami did the most incredible job of recreating the original MGS experience. Every inch of every level has been completely made-over ala Resident Evil.

Snake now has a 1st person view mode, the ability to do flips & rolls, dangle from railings and use the tranquilizer gun. The cutscenes have all been redone by Konami and show off some truly incredible animations with the in-game engine.

Unlike Ninja Gaiden, Twin Snakes actually gives players the opportunity to play at a level they feel comfortable at instead of forcing you into a frustrating level of difficulty with cheap enemies and crappy camera angles.

And the story? No comparison. Metal Gear Solid basically weaves an incredible tale filled with anti-nuclear ideals. Ninja Gaiden tells the tale of a ninja out for revenge who runs into leather-thong-clad women who fight big demons and enemies who look like they were ripped straight from Jin-Roh.

The only knock that reviewers can come up with against Twin Snakes is that it is the same story as before. But, everyone who plays this game either already knows that or has never played the original to begin with. To put a spin on the signs that christian protesters are holding up in front of the local Family Video every weekend crying about them renting porn ( :rolleyes: )

"Ninja Gaiden hurts, Twin Snakes heals"
All that being said, it's still a Metal Gear game, a very average action series.

[spielundspass]

A great game by all means at its inception on the PS1 or to those who have never graced this game's appealling stealth approach. But surely it is merely as I call it 'Sony debris' i.e. allowing its brand of IP onto other formats (FF:CC,MGS:TS, RE4) in the knowledge that afficionados remain hooked as a bass is to the hook or bait that is brand loyalty. Will the release of such games hinder Sony? Certainly not, you see that is why they are cooly handing these exclusives like a deck of cards because they simply are not true sequels.

Though I am v.excited about RE4. :o

[The Prince of Darkness]

Having had ample opportunity and spending considerable amounts of time with this title, I have to give it the nod as the best game I have played yet in the 128-bit generation as far as action games go.

Silicon Knights and Konami did the most incredible job of recreating the original MGS experience. Every inch of every level has been completely made-over ala Resident Evil.

Snake now has a 1st person view mode, the ability to do flips & rolls, dangle from railings and use the tranquilizer gun. The cutscenes have all been redone by Konami and show off some truly incredible animations with the in-game engine.

Unlike Ninja Gaiden, Twin Snakes actually gives players the opportunity to play at a level they feel comfortable at instead of forcing you into a frustrating level of difficulty with cheap enemies and crappy camera angles.

And the story? No comparison. Metal Gear Solid basically weaves an incredible tale filled with anti-nuclear ideals. Ninja Gaiden tells the tale of a ninja out for revenge who runs into leather-thong-clad women who fight big demons and enemies who look like they were ripped straight from Jin-Roh.

The only knock that reviewers can come up with against Twin Snakes is that it is the same story as before. But, everyone who plays this game either already knows that or has never played the original to begin with. To put a spin on the signs that christian protesters are holding up in front of the local Family Video every weekend crying about them renting porn ( :rolleyes: )

"Ninja Gaiden hurts, Twin Snakes heals"

Yippie---the best version yet of an incredibly tired and mediocre series. Btw---I think most of us consider stealth to be its own genre, so a comparison with NG is not really that great of a comparison. Nice try though Sparky!

[Deathstroke]

How is RE4 not a true sequel?

And FFCC is just an offshoot from the whole FF series.

The loss of games like these won't hurt Sony but they will help the competition.

["The Game"Evolution]

Having had ample opportunity and spending considerable amounts of time with this title, I have to give it the nod as the best game I have played yet in the 128-bit generation as far as action games go.

Silicon Knights and Konami did the most incredible job of recreating the original MGS experience. Every inch of every level has been completely made-over ala Resident Evil.

Snake now has a 1st person view mode, the ability to do flips & rolls, dangle from railings and use the tranquilizer gun. The cutscenes have all been redone by Konami and show off some truly incredible animations with the in-game engine.

Unlike Ninja Gaiden, Twin Snakes actually gives players the opportunity to play at a level they feel comfortable at instead of forcing you into a frustrating level of difficulty with cheap enemies and crappy camera angles.

And the story? No comparison. Metal Gear Solid basically weaves an incredible tale filled with anti-nuclear ideals. Ninja Gaiden tells the tale of a ninja out for revenge who runs into leather-thong-clad women who fight big demons and enemies who look like they were ripped straight from Jin-Roh.

The only knock that reviewers can come up with against Twin Snakes is that it is the same story as before. But, everyone who plays this game either already knows that or has never played the original to begin with. To put a spin on the signs that christian protesters are holding up in front of the local Family Video every weekend crying about them renting porn ( :rolleyes: )

"Ninja Gaiden hurts, Twin Snakes heals"

Since Twin Snakes allows you to adjust the difficulty levels for you wont feel the sting of a challenge.Since games like NG is too hard for some of you Twin Snakes should be like taking the easy way out.

Since this game is so much easier than Ninja Gaiden.Boy I wasnt aware of how many wussies were still in the world.

The statement of a wuss in need of an easy game to play:

"Unlike Ninja Gaiden, Twin Snakes actually gives players the opportunity to play at a level they feel comfortable at instead of forcing you into a frustrating level of difficulty with cheap enemies and crappy camera angles."

" Easy games is for wussies,challenging games makes you a man." MGS:TS 8.2/ NG 9.4 Enough said.

[AOE Enforcer]

Since Twin Snakes allows you to adjust the difficulty levels for you wont feel the sting of a challenge.Since games like NG is too hard for some of you Twin Snakes should be like taking the easy way out.

Since this game is so much easier than Ninja Gaiden.Boy I wasnt aware of how many wussies were still in the world.

The statement of a wuss in need of an easy game to play:

"Unlike Ninja Gaiden, Twin Snakes actually gives players the opportunity to play at a level they feel comfortable at instead of forcing you into a frustrating level of difficulty with cheap enemies and crappy camera angles."

" Easy games is for wussies,challenging games makes you a man." MGS:TS 8.2/ NG 9.4 Enough said.

What do we play games for? Really, why do you play games? Me-I'm into them to have fun and to be entertained. A game like Ninja Gaiden doesn't entertain me. It's not so difficult that I can't progress through the title. But the game has a poor-ass storyline behind it and T&A thrown in for the pre-puberescent males of the world. The camera hinders more than it helps and I find the enemies to be boring & unimaginative.

Twin Snakes on the other hand let's you decide the level of difficulty you wish to play at. Twin Snakes has an excellent storyline & anti-war theme in it. Twin Snakes takes everything that was great about both of the MGS titles and combines them into one helluva package.

I surely do not consider myself a "wussie" at games and love a challenge. However, Ninja Gaiden is just difficult for the sake of poor design issues. Right now, everyone is "wowed" by the graphics but that will soon wear off and this game will fall back to just another "me too" title. Meanwhile, Metal Gear Solid is already legend.

[AOE Enforcer]

Yippie---the best version yet of an incredibly tired and mediocre series. Btw---I think most of us consider stealth to be its own genre, so a comparison with NG is not really that great of a comparison. Nice try though Sparky!


Tired & mediocre? Gee...I guess that's why they sell millions of copies. C'mon, you Xbots can do better than the "tired & mediocre" argument...can't you?

Ninja Gaiden and Metal Gear both fall into the realm of "action/adventure" games. But this comparison might be more to your liking.

Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell for Xbox: 92.7%
Metal Gear Solid 2 Sons of Liberty PS2: 95.2%
Metal Gear Solid Twin Snakes Gamecube: 88.2%
Metal Gear Solid PSOne: 93.5%

Gee...which seems to be the better "stealth" game POD?

And Ninja Gaiden? It's down to 90.7% average on GameRankings. Wow...Twin Snakes average continues to rise while Ninja Gaiden's over-inflated review average continues to drop. Gee...wonder why. Could it be that NG is more frustration than fun?

["The Game"Evolution]

Tired & mediocre? Gee...I guess that's why they sell millions of copies. C'mon, you Xbots can do better than the "tired & mediocre" argument...can't you?

Ninja Gaiden and Metal Gear both fall into the realm of "action/adventure" games. But this comparison might be more to your liking.

Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell for Xbox: 92.7%
Metal Gear Solid 2 Sons of Liberty PS2: 95.2%
Metal Gear Solid Twin Snakes Gamecube: 88.2%
Metal Gear Solid PSOne: 93.5%

Gee...which seems to be the better "stealth" game POD?

And Ninja Gaiden? It's down to 90.7% average on GameRankings. Wow...Twin Snakes average continues to rise while Ninja Gaiden's over-inflated review average continues to drop. Gee...wonder why. Could it be that NG is more frustration than fun?

And telling by the numbers you just posted Enforcer you just validated that statement of mine.Even you are guilty of it as well.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

If I owned a GC I'd pick up MGS TS

[Gadfly2317]

Since Twin Snakes allows you to adjust the difficulty levels for you wont feel the sting of a challenge.Since games like NG is too hard for some of you Twin Snakes should be like taking the easy way out.

Since this game is so much easier than Ninja Gaiden.Boy I wasnt aware of how many wussies were still in the world.

The statement of a wuss in need of an easy game to play:

"Unlike Ninja Gaiden, Twin Snakes actually gives players the opportunity to play at a level they feel comfortable at instead of forcing you into a frustrating level of difficulty with cheap enemies and crappy camera angles."

" Easy games is for wussies,challenging games makes you a man." MGS:TS 8.2/ NG 9.4 Enough said.


Oh shut up, you limp wristed gamer. Last time I saw you post about Ninja Gaiden, you were still getting your panties in a wad about level four, while most of us here were on chapter 9 or 10. You, who couldn't get through the Splinter Cell tutorial without asking for help on how to pick a lock when the game TOLD you how to do it.

Stop being so full of it. Difficulty level settings are a good thing. Not all gamers are the same. I've been enjoying Ninja Gaiden and progressing well, but it is definitely on the hard side, and a game this good should be more accesible to a range of gamers. A difficulty adjustment option would have been added value to this game.

And yes, this great game has one of the most stupid and incoherent stories in all of history. As much as I've enjoyed NG, I stick with my original statement, and agree with Enforcer, that this game scored about 10% higher than it normally would due to hype and a fond memory for the original series.

And if you're such a well-hung, macho afficionado of really difficult games, lets see you step up the the Gamecube, and Viewtiful Joe, Monkey Ball, F-Zero, and Ikaruga. We're ALL waiting to see you post your Ikaruga scores in the Gamecube forum that you so love to troll.

And why don't you answer the question for all of us. . . you are constantly pimping xbox's Live service, so what is your Live user name? I'm sure many people here would love to test your skills.

[Gamer88]

"The Game" Evolution
Since Twin Snakes allows you to adjust the difficulty levels for you wont feel the sting of a challenge.Since games like NG is too hard for some of you Twin Snakes should be like taking the easy way out.

Actually BECAUSE it lets you adjust the difficulty level you can feel the sting of challege )(Here is the hint, Put the difficulty on the most difficult.)( While also being able to play just for fun. )(Seeing as you obvoiusly play video games just for the "Challege" As if you couldn't find something more challeging outside of video games to occupy your time)(
Since this game is so much easier than Ninja Gaiden.Boy I wasnt aware of how many wussies were still in the world.

"The Game" Evolution
Since this game is so much easier than Ninja Gaiden.Boy I wasnt aware of how many wussies were still in the world.

The statement of a wuss in need of an easy game to play:

"Unlike Ninja Gaiden, Twin Snakes actually gives players the opportunity to play at a level they feel comfortable at instead of forcing you into a frustrating level of difficulty with cheap enemies and crappy camera angles."

So just because a game is easier then Ninja Gaiden it makes it anyone who plays it a "Wussy". So your pretty much telling me you only play Ninja Gaiden? Here is a example. I've played both Halo and Metroid Prime. MP is harder at least to me. Therefore you a wussy because you played the easier game. I however did not take the "easy" way out.

"The Game" Evolution
" Easy games is for wussies,challenging games makes you a man." MGS:TS 8.2/ NG 9.4 Enough said.

When he realises he is losing a arguement he brings something else into it. His theory is that challeging games makes you a man. I know what makes me a man and it certainly isn't video games. However people like Evolution need to prove to others that they are a man because they have doubt in themselves. For Evolution he only plays games to be more "manly" . This explains his hatred of the gamecube, He just could not accept the supierior gameplay of gamecube because it has the "kiddie" image.

[Renzatic Gear]

I'm gonna have to throw in my 2 cents and say that it'd be hard for me to recommend this game to anyone that's already played the PS1 version. It's an exact recreation of the original game down to the map and enemy layout, no differences in plot, no bonuses or extended features besides the new moves...

For anyone that hasn't played the original version this game is a must buy, but for everyone else that has...meh. This might sound very Gameish of me, but I've been there and done that 5 times over now. If Silicon Knights stretched their wings a bit and went a few steps farther it would've been a great game regardless...

[Darwin]

"Ninja Gaiden hurts, Twin Snakes heals"

I take it, you stopped playing NG. How far did you eventually get thru NG.

Hey, the only way I've made it through NG is by getting a little help here and there from posters on this board and the gamefaqs board. Without their support, I would not have found the motivation to get as far as I am in NG. (So, I understand where you're coming from). Right now, I am starting Chapter 14 in NG.

[Darwin]

And if you're such a well-hung, macho afficionado of really difficult games, lets see you step up the the Gamecube, and Viewtiful Joe ...

As hard as Ninja Gaiden is, I still think that Viewtiful Joe is the more challenging game. Not by much, but it's noticable.

[folken001]

Having had ample opportunity and spending considerable amounts of time with this title, I have to give it the nod as the best game I have played yet in the 128-bit generation as far as action games go.

Silicon Knights and Konami did the most incredible job of recreating the original MGS experience. Every inch of every level has been completely made-over ala Resident Evil.

Snake now has a 1st person view mode, the ability to do flips & rolls, dangle from railings and use the tranquilizer gun. The cutscenes have all been redone by Konami and show off some truly incredible animations with the in-game engine.

Unlike Ninja Gaiden, Twin Snakes actually gives players the opportunity to play at a level they feel comfortable at instead of forcing you into a frustrating level of difficulty with cheap enemies and crappy camera angles.

And the story? No comparison. Metal Gear Solid basically weaves an incredible tale filled with anti-nuclear ideals. Ninja Gaiden tells the tale of a ninja out for revenge who runs into leather-thong-clad women who fight big demons and enemies who look like they were ripped straight from Jin-Roh.

The only knock that reviewers can come up with against Twin Snakes is that it is the same story as before. But, everyone who plays this game either already knows that or has never played the original to begin with. To put a spin on the signs that christian protesters are holding up in front of the local Family Video every weekend crying about them renting porn ( :rolleyes: )

"Ninja Gaiden hurts, Twin Snakes heals"
I wish Silicon Knight would've done a better job with characters' faces though.

And does anyone know what happened to meryl? She was not in MGS2 and nothing was mentioned about her.

[PapaSmurf]

I'm gonna have to throw in my 2 cents and say that it'd be hard for me to recommend this game to anyone that's already played the PS1 version. It's an exact recreation of the original game down to the map and enemy layout, no differences in plot, no bonuses or extended features besides the new moves...

For anyone that hasn't played the original version this game is a must buy, but for everyone else that has...meh. This might sound very Gameish of me, but I've been there and done that 5 times over now. If Silicon Knights stretched their wings a bit and went a few steps farther it would've been a great game regardless...
Its funny you say that. I don't know why, but even owning and beating the first one on the PS1, I was just compelled to go and get this. I felt I wasn't complete or something. There may not be many extras for most, but I managed to make the game mean more to me than just a rehash. I've been collecting all of the dog tags. No easy task, and it makes the game more refreshed.

As far NG goes. I got to enjoy that today at my friends house. I must admit it was very cool and kudos to it, but the story truly was lacking. If I had an XBOX I'd buy it though, no doubt. The best part of the day for me was actually playing Steel Battalion, but I'll save that for another topic....man oh man that controller....

[Gadfly2317]

As hard as Ninja Gaiden is, I still think that Viewtiful Joe is the more challenging game. Not by much, but it's noticable.

Yeah, and it was the good kind of challenging too. . . it was nearly perfect. The extreme difficulty was NEVER due to flaws in the game design. Joe was also a much more interesting game in terms of story, sound, originality, graphics, and art design.

["The Game"Evolution]

Oh shut up, you limp wristed gamer. Last time I saw you post about Ninja Gaiden, you were still getting your panties in a wad about level four, while most of us here were on chapter 9 or 10. You, who couldn't get through the Splinter Cell tutorial without asking for help on how to pick a lock when the game TOLD you how to do it.Your words.

Stop being so full of it. Difficulty level settings are a good thing. Not all gamers are the same. I've been enjoying Ninja Gaiden and progressing well, but it is definitely on the hard side, and a game this good should be more accesible to a range of gamers. A difficulty adjustment option would have been added value to this game.your words.

And yes, this great game has one of the most stupid and incoherent stories in all of history. As much as I've enjoyed NG, I stick with my original statement, and agree with Enforcer, that this game scored about 10% higher than it normally would due to hype and a fond memory for the original series.your words.

And if you're such a well-hung, macho afficionado of really difficult games, lets see you step up the the Gamecube, and Viewtiful Joe, Monkey Ball, F-Zero, and Ikaruga. We're ALL waiting to see you post your Ikaruga scores in the Gamecube forum that you so love to troll.your words.

And why don't you answer the question for all of us. . . you are constantly pimping xbox's Live service, so what is your Live user name? I'm sure many people here would love to test your skills.

First off that was level 6 that I was having a little trouble in thank you very much.And btw I'm doing just fine going through Ninja Gaiden withtout a strategy guide.We all know you're using one.Plus at least I had the balls to buy Splinter Cell.Unlike you and the rest of the wimps around here praising MGS2 as the best stealth game ever.LOL! What a joke that is.

Difficulty level settings is for wimps.If a game provides a challenge to makes you raise your game then its all good as far as I'm concerned.You're right,not all gamers are the same.Some gamers prefer to play easier games than play games that challenges them.You happens to be one of those people.Sad,but true.

Hell you have a great game that offers you 3 extra games to unlock on top of that.And if that wasnt enough now you wish they would've added a wimpy level selection? LOL! I guess the GC is the console for you when it comes to games with watered down difficulty levels to select from.

So I have to play a so-called difficult GC game to earn respect? LOL! I'd put an old NES game against alot of these so called hard games anyday.Those games would be harder for me to play,because of that sad ass GC controller.Right now NG is my main focus right now.Yes the game is hard,but thats not a bad thing its a good thing.When a game has to make me ask for advise then its done its job.

And for the record:When I do get on Live(which will be very soon) I would be very careful if I was you.Nothing like walking into a hornet's nest looking for one bee.The stings would come from every direction.Think about that.When I do get on live my username will be the same like it is here.And heaven help anyone that tries to gang up on me on any game on Live.LOL!

["The Game"Evolution]

"The Game" Evolution


Actually BECAUSE it lets you adjust the difficulty level you can feel the sting of challege )(Here is the hint, Put the difficulty on the most difficult.)( While also being able to play just for fun. )(Seeing as you obvoiusly play video games just for the "Challege" As if you couldn't find something more challeging outside of video games to occupy your time)(
Since this game is so much easier than Ninja Gaiden.Boy I wasnt aware of how many wussies were still in the world.

"The Game" Evolution


So just because a game is easier then Ninja Gaiden it makes it anyone who plays it a "Wussy". So your pretty much telling me you only play Ninja Gaiden? Here is a example. I've played both Halo and Metroid Prime. MP is harder at least to me. Therefore you a wussy because you played the easier game. I however did not take the "easy" way out.

"The Game" Evolution


When he realises he is losing a arguement he brings something else into it. His theory is that challeging games makes you a man. I know what makes me a man and it certainly isn't video games. However people like Evolution need to prove to others that they are a man because they have doubt in themselves. For Evolution he only plays games to be more "manly" . This explains his hatred of the gamecube, He just could not accept the supierior gameplay of gamecube because it has the "kiddie" image.


The question is have you played Halo from start to finish? Second of all have you beaten it on Legendary? I have.It was hell on Earth.But it got done.MP is a challenging game.But so is Halo.Plus I would love to see how Samus would fair against the Covenant.Halo is clearly the better game.But you're stuck up GC's rear so this will probably fall on deaf ears anyway.

I say they would kill her in record time.I am not saying that playing easier games is a bad thing.But sometimes you should play a game that more challenging than others.It makes you learn something about yourself.

Plus 88 I wasnt bringing up those review scores because I felt I was losing an arguement.I wasnt losing it at all.All I was doing was putting an exclamation point to everything I had to say thats all.And you cant dispute that either.I could care less how superior the GC is.

Last time I checked it was the PS2 and the Xbox that was superior to the GC.Both of those consoles has games online and the GC doesnt.Hows that for superior gameplay? OUCH!!! Makes me glad I own the two best consoles on the planet.I dont see 3rd parties dropping off from them.You cant say the same about the GC these days can you? Nope.OUCH again.LOL!

[Darwin]

And for the record:When I do get on Live(which will be very soon) I would be very careful if I was you.Nothing like walking into a hornet's nest looking for one bee.The stings would come from every direction.Think about that.When I do get on live my username will be the same like it is here.And heaven help anyone that tries to gang up on me on any game on Live.LOL!

You may have the wrong impression about Live. Yes, there might be some gamers out there that gang up on others or are ultra-competative ... but these are mostly the little kids. For the most part, you won't experience anything like this on Live.

Xbox Live is about having fun and friendly competition. For the most part, noone really cares about who is good or skilled. I've had fun with so-called skilled players as well as players new to a game. Skill at a game is not nearly as important as having a good attitude.

The things that can get a player a bad rep on Live are stuff like:

1) Complaining to the host too much about changing settings: the host sets up his/her room the way they want. If you don't like playing that way, use the optimatch and find another room. But don't whine to the host.

2) Excessive use of the voice masking. In fact, my advice is not to use this feature at all.

3) Saying disrepectful things, particularly racial remarks. (What is it with these junior high kids who think that using the N word is cool?) Cursing is not so much a problem, cause you'll hear it all the time on Live. Just don't say the N word (not that you have, I'm just making a general statement). People have no idea who they are gaming with and no idea what that word can mean to someone. It is potentially the most hateful work in the English language.

4) Making fun of other players, unless they are a friend of yours and it's done in good fun.

5) Deliberately trying to ruin the game for others, like going around a track backwards, or throwing flash-bang or tear gas grenades at your teamates (Daman hates that).

6) Using action replay cheats.

Certain games lend themselves to more serious gaming, whereas some games are more about being social and having fun. You'll figure it out quick.

Look me up when you get Live. You'll have to play in a room with Daman and myself. Daman has a good way of hosting games and weeding out gamers who would ruin it for the rest of us. But he has never kicked a person out because they aren't skilled. He kicks people out for doing stupid or annoying stuff.

[Gadfly2317]

First off that was level 6 that I was having a little trouble in thank you very much.And btw I'm doing just fine going through Ninja Gaiden withtout a strategy guide.We all know you're using one.Plus at least I had the balls to buy Splinter Cell.Unlike you and the rest of the wimps around here praising MGS2 as the best stealth game ever.LOL! What a joke that is.

Difficulty level settings is for wimps.If a game provides a challenge to makes you raise your game then its all good as far as I'm concerned.You're right,not all gamers are the same.Some gamers prefer to play easier games than play games that challenges them.You happens to be one of those people.Sad,but true.

Hell you have a great game that offers you 3 extra games to unlock on top of that.And if that wasnt enough now you wish they would've added a wimpy level selection? LOL! I guess the GC is the console for you when it comes to games with watered down difficulty levels to select from.

So I have to play a so-called difficult GC game to earn respect? LOL! I'd put an old NES game against alot of these so called hard games anyday.Those games would be harder for me to play,because of that sad ass GC controller.Right now NG is my main focus right now.Yes the game is hard,but thats not a bad thing its a good thing.When a game has to make me ask for advise then its done its job.

And for the record:When I do get on Live(which will be very soon) I would be very careful if I was you.Nothing like walking into a hornet's nest looking for one bee.The stings would come from every direction.Think about that.When I do get on live my username will be the same like it is here.And heaven help anyone that tries to gang up on me on any game on Live.LOL!

blah blah blah. . . you're so macho. One's manhood is generally an inverse ratio to your need to brag about it.

And regarding strategy guides. . . do they even make one for Ninja Gaiden? I hadn't seen one. Apparently you have. I assumed there wasn't one because there's really no strategy involved here. . . all the puzzles have been incredibely simple. The rest of the game is all fast paced fighting, and there's not much a strategy guide can do to give you better hand-eye coordination.

[AOE Enforcer]

First off that was level 6 that I was having a little trouble in thank you very much.And btw I'm doing just fine going through Ninja Gaiden withtout a strategy guide.We all know you're using one.Plus at least I had the balls to buy Splinter Cell.Unlike you and the rest of the wimps around here praising MGS2 as the best stealth game ever.LOL! What a joke that is.

Difficulty level settings is for wimps.If a game provides a challenge to makes you raise your game then its all good as far as I'm concerned.You're right,not all gamers are the same.Some gamers prefer to play easier games than play games that challenges them.You happens to be one of those people.Sad,but true.

Hell you have a great game that offers you 3 extra games to unlock on top of that.And if that wasnt enough now you wish they would've added a wimpy level selection? LOL! I guess the GC is the console for you when it comes to games with watered down difficulty levels to select from.

So I have to play a so-called difficult GC game to earn respect? LOL! I'd put an old NES game against alot of these so called hard games anyday.Those games would be harder for me to play,because of that sad ass GC controller.Right now NG is my main focus right now.Yes the game is hard,but thats not a bad thing its a good thing.When a game has to make me ask for advise then its done its job.

And for the record:When I do get on Live(which will be very soon) I would be very careful if I was you.Nothing like walking into a hornet's nest looking for one bee.The stings would come from every direction.Think about that.When I do get on live my username will be the same like it is here.And heaven help anyone that tries to gang up on me on any game on Live.LOL!

Actually, from the perspective of story, graphics and presentation, Metal Gear Solid games kick the crap out of Splinter Cell. Splinter Cell is a more in-depth sneaking game no doubt about it. But that doesn't make the game more fun. I didn't quit on Splinter Cell because of difficulty, I quit because I was bored as hell. Same goes for Ninja Gaiden. I was making progress, but the game bored the crap out of me with it's crappy ass story. The game is lame in that respect. Graphics will only carry the game so far. As the more recent review scores can attest.

Difficulty level settings are for wimps? Sorry-but I don't agree. I like a challenge for sure, but not for the sake of making the game longer by causing cheap deaths. A game is supposed to be fun. Dying for the millionth time fighting the same area over and over is more frustrating than fun.

So Game...how many of the original Ninja Gaiden games have you unlocked? Found the fifty Gold Scarabs yet just to get the first? LOL! You know it and I know it that you will never unlock the first, let alone the second and third games!

And as far as Live goes, you will quickly find yourself on many a gamer's ignore list just as you are here. People won't tolerate your garbage on Live. I've played on it and I know. You are like those annoying punks Darwin talks about. Gamers would be ashamed for you to address them as "buds" on Live. It's been out well over a year, and you still aren't online! LMAO!

[Cuddly Knife]

Why are people arguing about the ability to change the difficulty in MGS: TS and NG? Ninja Gaiden has difficulty settings, too. NORMAL, HARD, and VERY HARD. Difficulty settings are a good thing. Play at a level you're comfortable until you feel confident enough to challenge yourself. A few have brought up Viewtiful Joe, saying that it has a better degree of difficulty over Ninja Gaiden. I don't think so. The difference is the size of the games. I can beat Viewtiful Joe in under two and a half hours. That was when I was at my best on that game and had mastered evey difficulty. I can safely assume that I won't be able to beat Ninja Gaiden in under six hours at my best. Other than that, they both thrashed me on their NORMAL difficulty when I first started. And EASY doesn't count in most games, so they all have three difficulties that are pretty close to each other. Maybe. I haven't beat Ninja Gaiden on NORMAL, yet. And I beat V-MODE on Viewtiful Joe a week after I bought it.

The new Finger Eleven CD kicks. I recommend it to anyone who listenes to modern Hard Rock. It comes with a live DVD too, so you can see what they are like in concert!!

[DrunkenThumbmaster]

First off TS isn't as good as the orignal. The best thing about this game is the story but the over indulgent cut scenes nearly blow it. The whole balance of the game has been ruined Silicon Knights went and added all the new moves from SOL but they didn't change the games levels at all to accomodate this (besides adding a few lockers to stuff people in).Nor did they change the boss battles fighting Ocelot, the indian dude, and Psycho Mantis using the FP mode makes the game ridiculously easy. Combat has always been a weak point in the MGS series they tried to change that in SOL with the FPS but adding that to the original makes the game unbalanced. This is now a stealth game with no need for stealth.

Gaiden is awesome the story is just window dressing in this game and blows my mind that this is what you guys find to critizie about the game. The story just serves the purpose of giving you a reason to fight all the different types of enemies(who conicendently have different fighting styles unlike TS) The difficulty seems hard at first but you really need to know how to play the game. What I think makes it seems harder than it really is, is that it gives the impression of being a button smasher but when button smashing no longer works and you have to block and counter and use the walls it makes the game seem harder (and cheap)when you really just need to learn how to play the game. As for the camera that's the nature of the beast in a 3d action game that moves this fast. The only other way would have been to have fix fix camera angels and that would be worst because then the game would have had to been slowed down as well. Want to play a cheap game try the first Maximo when you have to jump over bottemless pits and dodge enemies in mid air that hit you from OFF SCREEN!

MGS series has lost it's luster the best thing this game has going for is it's production values. Since the Playstation version this series has continually gotten worst. At least the game had always played well now it doesn't even play as well and this is a remake! I know this is system wars but it seems like some of you guys just have an agenda.

I can't wait for the enforcers review of Halo 2. We all remember your review of the first Halo and how "jaggalicious" it was!

[folken001]

Combat has always been a weak point in the MGS series they tried to change that in SOL with the FPS but adding that to the original makes the game unbalanced. This is now a stealth game with no need for stealth.


MGS series has lost it's luster the best thing this game has going for is it's production values. Since the Playstation version this series has continually gotten worst. At least the game had always played well now it doesn't even play as well and this is a remake! I know this is system wars but it seems like some of you guys just have an agenda.



You are talking as you have not played this game at all. Why don't you try to just kill everyone in tank hanger? I tried that a couple times and i was the one who got brutally murdered. I don't know what you mean by unbalanced. Can you give me more specific details. The cut themes are slightly longer but I don't see how that is necessarily a bad thing. A couple are kinda cheesy but mostly, I think they are changed for the better. How did silicon knight "blow' it? Also, FP mode make the boss fight easy? Have you tried to play Ocelot with PF mode? It would be hard as hell. Because he constantly runs away from you and he reflect his bullets off the wall from the opposite end of the room to hit you. You can't afford to stop, turn into the FP, aim then shoot. Same with Psycho Mantis, it is much easier to beat him in 3rd person mode. At this point, I really think you are just pulling stuff out of your arse.

Yea, I agree that MGS2 might not be as epic as MGS. But we are talking about one game here. I think it is pretty ridiculous that you made it to seem like the series is dying because one game fell short of expectation. MGS:TS has the same basic control ported from the original but with few extra. Explain to me how exactly is it that MGS:TS doesn't play as well as the original. Appearantly, you like to make accusations without providing any logical reasoning. It seems to me that you are the one with an agenda here.

[AOE Enforcer]

First off TS isn't as good as the orignal. The best thing about this game is the story but the over indulgent cut scenes nearly blow it. The whole balance of the game has been ruined Silicon Knights went and added all the new moves from SOL but they didn't change the games levels at all to accomodate this (besides adding a few lockers to stuff people in).Nor did they change the boss battles fighting Ocelot, the indian dude, and Psycho Mantis using the FP mode makes the game ridiculously easy. Combat has always been a weak point in the MGS series they tried to change that in SOL with the FPS but adding that to the original makes the game unbalanced. This is now a stealth game with no need for stealth.

Gaiden is awesome the story is just window dressing in this game and blows my mind that this is what you guys find to critizie about the game. The story just serves the purpose of giving you a reason to fight all the different types of enemies(who conicendently have different fighting styles unlike TS) The difficulty seems hard at first but you really need to know how to play the game. What I think makes it seems harder than it really is, is that it gives the impression of being a button smasher but when button smashing no longer works and you have to block and counter and use the walls it makes the game seem harder (and cheap)when you really just need to learn how to play the game. As for the camera that's the nature of the beast in a 3d action game that moves this fast. The only other way would have been to have fix fix camera angels and that would be worst because then the game would have had to been slowed down as well. Want to play a cheap game try the first Maximo when you have to jump over bottemless pits and dodge enemies in mid air that hit you from OFF SCREEN!

MGS series has lost it's luster the best thing this game has going for is it's production values. Since the Playstation version this series has continually gotten worst. At least the game had always played well now it doesn't even play as well and this is a remake! I know this is system wars but it seems like some of you guys just have an agenda.

I can't wait for the enforcers review of Halo 2. We all remember your review of the first Halo and how "jaggalicious" it was!

Gee, if you actually did your homework since you seem to think you know so much about me, you would remember that when made those statements, they A) Were initial impressions from the demo version of the game and B) were used to upset Xbots who kept acting as if it was the best looking game EVARRR!!!!

Maybe you should ask everyone here about how I praise the game all the time when it is brought up and will freely state that I have played the game through to completion over 30 times-more than any other game I own or have ever owned!

Try playing Metal Gear Solid Twin Snakes before bashing it. Silicon Knights & Konami did nothing wrong to this title. The graphics are better, the gameplay is better, the sound is better and the cutscenes are better. And before you go blaming SK for the cutscenes, maybe you should do your homework and realize that Konami themselves personally oversaw the redone cutscenes. :rolleyes:

Ninja Gaiden is lame. The story is an incoherent mess and the boobs are there just for the sake of getting young horny boys to buy the game. The levels are completely repetitive and lack anything that really stands out as "cool!" The camera is attrocious and gets in the way more than it does any good. Xbots try to make the excuse that "no 3D camera is perfect" but I sure as HELL have seen much better in my time. What about the camera in games like Jak II and Ratchet & Clank Going Commando? Those are damn spiffy.

I wanted this game (Ninja Gaiden) to be great more than any other game I have ever bought. I loved the originals dearly and I bought the Xbox for this game alone. But just like many other Xbox titles including Sega GT, Crimson Skies, Dino Crisis 3 and so many more-it is a colosal letdown.

A stealth game without the need for stealth? Metal Gear has always given you the choice: Fight or flight. Series producer Hideo Kojima has always said that the way you play the game is up to you. You can get through the games without killing anyone. Your opinion of the story from Metal Gear Solid Sons of Liberty is just that-your opinion. But I happen to have liked the game a whole lot and obviously, so did millions upon millions of other gamers.

Go cuddle up to your Xbox and sob because it is selling like ass. A typical Xbot from way back thinking he is making some grand reappearance now. Xbox has already lost. It's a financial and mass-market failure. The next system (if it even comes out) won't even have a HDD or backwards compatibility. Wow, way to treat your loyal customers their Microsoft. :o

[Renzatic Gear]

Ninja Gaiden is lame. The story is an incoherent mess and the boobs are there just for the sake of getting young horny boys to buy the game.That's why I'm buying it.

[folken001]

That's why I'm buying it.
You are horny alright, but who says you are young? Hehe, j/k

[Tappy_Tibbons]

Best action game ever? Nope, GTA is better and when more comes about the new GTA, expect American hype for MGS3 to go down the toilet and GTA San Andreas to shoot to the moon.

GTA is better in every way, it's longer, less linear than any other action game, deeper, more polished, better physics, multigenre stuff handled better, multiplayer (on PC), and the game is just tremendously addictive to just play around with the AI, which may have holes but still makes for a better game.

Heck, Halo is a FPS but it's really an action game and I'd say that Halo is the best action game ever made and it will outsell all MGS. MGS1 is still better than Pt 2 and I'd pick up TS if I had a GC but no, it's NOT in any way shape or form the best action game. Splinter Cell took away MGS's thunder if you ask me. Better graphics and presentation, better story, better everything...now SC PT has the most novel multiplayer mode seen in years, MGS has officially now been outclassed.

[Darwin]

A stealth game without the need for stealth? Metal Gear has always given you the choice: Fight or flight. Series producer Hideo Kojima has always said that the way you play the game is up to you. You can get through the games without killing anyone.

You nailed it. That is one of that series' (Metal Gear Solid 1 and 2) greatest strengths. And that is why I ultimately like the Metal Gear Series better than Splinter Cell. You can be clever and get through certain areas using steath or force or a combination of each, tweaking it to your own liking. The only other game to implement this choice of "fight or flight" (as you say) as well as MGS ... is Hitman 2.

[Renzatic Gear]

I think the guys over at the other board I frequent summed up what I thought were Splinter Cell's faults fairly well.

It's basically like a huge puzzle game where you have to figure out what the developers want you to do before you can advance. Instead of having an objective with multiple ways to complete it you have to do each mission as was designed..it's up to you to figure out the only right path through the game through trial and error.

So far the Pandora Tomorrow demo doesn't look to be straying from the course set by the original. Though I do have to admit that multiplayer does sound fun as hell, it might be the games one saving grace in my opinion.

[AOE Enforcer]

You nailed it. That is one of that series' (Metal Gear Solid 1 and 2) greatest strengths. And that is why I ultimately like the Metal Gear Series better than Splinter Cell. You can be clever and get through certain areas using steath or force or a combination of each, tweaking it to your own liking. The only other game to implement this choice of "fight or flight" (as you say) as well as MGS ... is Hitman 2.

I love the Metal Gear Solid games because they give you these choices. And once you beat them, you can go back through and play the game completely different. You can also take the time to try and collect all of the dog tags in the game which is in itself-very fun to do.

Splinter Cell gave players one way to get through each area. You have to do everything exactly as the developers want you to before you can progress. In any given area of Splinter Cell, you have only one course of action. Metal Gear provides different options and it is completely up to you how to progress.

Smack a wall to draw a guards attention and sneak past him. Sneak up behind him and kill him. Sneak up behind him and hold him up to take his dog tags and use him as a human shield. Run up and kick his ass. Use a tranquilizer on him. Throw an empty clip to draw their attention away from you. The possibilities are endless.

Also, Metal Gear Solid games excel in telling a story. Often bizzare but never boring, the Metal Gear Solid titles will keep you thoroughly entertained through to the end.

The revision from the original game to Twin Snakes is excellent. As EGM said, to change anything else would dishonor the original game. I love finding little bits in the game that Konami & Silicon Knights put in there for the fans.

Such as the "girlie" magazine that you can lay down on the ground. Look at it, and it is pictures of the lead character "Alex Roivas" from Eternal Darkness. Or the pictures of Miyamoto and other developers on the wall where you fight Psycho Mantis. Then you have Psycho Mantis who "reads" your memory card and says he sees that you like playing Eternal Darkness, Super Mario Sunshine, Zelda the Wind Waker and Super Smash Bros. Melee among other games. You also have the room where you fight the ninja and meet Otacon. On the desk is a purple Gamecube with a Wavebird controller plugged into it. On the monitor next to it, the Gamecube loading screen with the translucent cube is displayed. And on top of a computer monitor, there is a statuette of Mario and Yoshi.

The cut-scenes have been redone remarkably well and the original voice actors have returned for all new voice-overs. Sure as Renzatic Gear said, this is basically the same game as the original. But damn, the original was one fine game! And this one is only $40. It's a thrill to play this game again and in such fine form. The ability to dangle off railings, use a tranquilizer gun and do cartwheels and flips among other moves add a new layer to this game.

And I can tell you without hesitation, having played the original game side-by-side with this new incarnation, the graphical differences will blow you away!

["The Game"Evolution]

I love the Metal Gear Solid games because they give you these choices. And once you beat them, you can go back through and play the game completely different. You can also take the time to try and collect all of the dog tags in the game which is in itself-very fun to do.

Splinter Cell gave players one way to get through each area. You have to do everything exactly as the developers want you to before you can progress. In any given area of Splinter Cell, you have only one course of action. Metal Gear provides different options and it is completely up to you how to progress.

Smack a wall to draw a guards attention and sneak past him. Sneak up behind him and kill him. Sneak up behind him and hold him up to take his dog tags and use him as a human shield. Run up and kick his ass. Use a tranquilizer on him. Throw an empty clip to draw their attention away from you. The possibilities are endless.

Also, Metal Gear Solid games excel in telling a story. Often bizzare but never boring, the Metal Gear Solid titles will keep you thoroughly entertained through to the end.

The revision from the original game to Twin Snakes is excellent. As EGM said, to change anything else would dishonor the original game. I love finding little bits in the game that Konami & Silicon Knights put in there for the fans.

Such as the "girlie" magazine that you can lay down on the ground. Look at it, and it is pictures of the lead character "Alex Roivas" from Eternal Darkness. Or the pictures of Miyamoto and other developers on the wall where you fight Psycho Mantis. Then you have Psycho Mantis who "reads" your memory card and says he sees that you like playing Eternal Darkness, Super Mario Sunshine, Zelda the Wind Waker and Super Smash Bros. Melee among other games. You also have the room where you fight the ninja and meet Otacon. On the desk is a purple Gamecube with a Wavebird controller plugged into it. On the monitor next to it, the Gamecube loading screen with the translucent cube is displayed. And on top of a computer monitor, there is a statuette of Mario and Yoshi.

The cut-scenes have been redone remarkably well and the original voice actors have returned for all new voice-overs. Sure as Renzatic Gear said, this is basically the same game as the original. But damn, the original was one fine game! And this one is only $40. It's a thrill to play this game again and in such fine form. The ability to dangle off railings, use a tranquilizer gun and do cartwheels and flips among other moves add a new layer to this game.

And I can tell you without hesitation, having played the original game side-by-side with this new incarnation, the graphical differences will blow you away!

But yet you consider MGS:TS the better of the two dont you? LOL! Sad. Splinter Cell:Pandora Tomorrow has once again raised the bar in the action/adventure/stealth genre.So why bother talking about the PSX remake when there is a brand new game thats ten times better staring you right in the face Enforcer? Best game evar? MGS:TS? LOL! No doubt you only said that to get a rise out of folks.Because we all know thats a crock of you know what.Right now its the Ninja Gaiden/Splinter Cell show.Twin Snakes was simply an opening act.

[trebor]

Difficulty level settings is for wimps.

Oh..so what your saying is that Halo is for wimps, correct? Being that Halo has four difficulty settings. :rolleyes:

["The Game"Evolution]

Oh..so what your saying is that Halo is for wimps, correct? Being that Halo has four difficulty settings. :rolleyes:

But I've beaten it on legendary so I'm not a wimp.But the multiplayer feature on Halo clearly made it that much better.Did Prime have that? Nope.Will the next Prime be online playable? Nope.Then I guess its safe to say that once again Halo will make FPS gamers say"Samus who?" Halo for wimps? LOL! Of course not.Prime is.

[trebor]

But I've beaten it on legendary so I'm not a wimp.But the multiplayer feature on Halo clearly made it that much better.Did Prime have that? Nope.Will the next Prime be online playable? Nope.Then I guess its safe to say that once again Halo will make FPS gamers say"Samus who?" Halo for wimps? LOL! Of course not.Prime is.

Yeah...all that is...umm...coherent...and everything, but YOU are the one who said "Difficulty settings is for wimps". Halo has difficulty settings, four of them, so therefore, according to your...logic...Halo is for wimps.

If you don't like people using your own words against you, perhaps you shouldn't post so much.

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

Twin Snakes is definitely good. Definitely the best Metal Gear game to date. Definitely one of the best action game on the Gamecube. Probably THE best action game for Gamecube. Best action game of this generation? Not even close.

[Deathstroke]

Yeah, best Action game this generation is Viewtiful Joe.

[Cuddly Knife]

Umm, there is still a couple of years before this generation is over. I wouldn't call out VJ as being the best, I mean, there could be a VJ2 before this generation ends. Heh, heh.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

GTA is best, check your beloved charts.

["The Game"Evolution]

Yeah, best Action game this generation is Viewtiful Joe.

Back in the real world its not even close.Same goes for Twin Snakes.Two good games but there are so many other games out there that puts these games to shame its pathetic to even continue to mention VJ anymore.

["The Game"Evolution]

Yeah...all that is...umm...coherent...and everything, but YOU are the one who said "Difficulty settings is for wimps". Halo has difficulty settings, four of them, so therefore, according to your...logic...Halo is for wimps.

If you don't like people using your own words against you, perhaps you shouldn't post so much.

I still think difficulty settings is for wimps.If it exists on a game I want then so be it.It doesnt change how I feel though.Feel free to use my words against me Trebor.Its not like I dont do the same to you.But then again I own the PS2 and the Xbox so I guess we dont have much to talk about since all you own is a GC right? Right.

[trebor]

I still think difficulty settings is for wimps.If it exists on a game I want then so be it.It doesnt change how I feel though.Feel free to use my words against me Trebor.Its not like I dont do the same to you.But then again I own the PS2 and the Xbox so I guess we dont have much to talk about since all you own is a GC right? Right.

Well, then you agree that Halo is for wimps then. Jeez you are a real bright one.

[Darwin]

Splinter Cell gave players one way to get through each area. You have to do everything exactly as the developers want you to before you can progress. In any given area of Splinter Cell, you have only one course of action.

Yeah, reminds me of one particular area of Splinter Cell where Sam is in the Embassy. It's that big room with the staircase, the spotlights, several gun turrets, and Sam has to get through the retinal scanner. I remember redoing this about 25 times. It got to the point where I was "mapping out" in my mind the exact steps to complete it ... OK, move right about 5 feet, jump up, grab ledge, ...... it was rediculous because I was memorizing a pattern of button presses and movements. I felt like I wasn't actually playing the game, it was a complicated puzzle with graphics in the background.

[Gadfly2317]

Back in the real world its not even close.Same goes for Twin Snakes.Two good games but there are so many other games out there that puts these games to shame its pathetic to even continue to mention VJ anymore.

I guess by now you do realize that when you run your yap about something you don't know anything about, everyone here see's you as being ignorant, right?

About VJ you are definitely ignorant. . . not in the name calling sense, but simply that you haven't played it and don't know what you are talking about. Trying to explain to you why VJ was so great would be like trying to persuade your average Vin Diesel fan that "Adaptation" was a brilliant film.

Thing is, there is no doubt at all that you'd be blown away by VJ if you'd pull your head out and just play it for a few hours. It is addictive. It looks cool. The controls are perfect. It is funny, and it is pure, hyper action. And importantly for you, since you lately have been proclaiming that playing hard games makes you manly, well. . . step up than, boy, and play something REALLY hard.

I guess you won't comprehend any of this probably. But I thought I'd give you another chance before I put your ignorant posts back on my ignore list. You know, it really is ok to just admit when you're wrong, or go "yeah, I was being full of it. . . I haven't played Joe so I don't know what I'm talking about." You'd earn a lot of respect that way.

[Gadfly2317]

Well, then you agree that Halo is for wimps then. Jeez you are a real bright one.

Yeah, he just conceded the point that by his logic, Halo is for wimps. But then, do you actually think he really puts in the time and beats all these games on Legendary mode?

Here's a stat for you. In the few months since systems war's new forums have been up, the site has generated 24,302 posts across ALL forums. Evolution has created 1521 posts. That is 6% of the entire content of the site, including the PC forums that he doesn't even post in. When you break it down, there's 14,000 sys wars posts, and since that's almost the only place he posts significantly, he's created 10% of all posts around here. That is why we say he is ALL TALK, because that's all he does. And that's why we say he's spamming the boards. Those stats speak for themselves. And he managed to rack up 1500 posts despite being banned for a whole month!!!!

["The Game"Evolution]

I guess by now you do realize that when you run your yap about something you don't know anything about, everyone here see's you as being ignorant, right?

About VJ you are definitely ignorant. . . not in the name calling sense, but simply that you haven't played it and don't know what you are talking about. Trying to explain to you why VJ was so great would be like trying to persuade your average Vin Diesel fan that "Adaptation" was a brilliant film.

Thing is, there is no doubt at all that you'd be blown away by VJ if you'd pull your head out and just play it for a few hours. It is addictive. It looks cool. The controls are perfect. It is funny, and it is pure, hyper action. And importantly for you, since you lately have been proclaiming that playing hard games makes you manly, well. . . step up than, boy, and play something REALLY hard.

I guess you won't comprehend any of this probably. But I thought I'd give you another chance before I put your ignorant posts back on my ignore list. You know, it really is ok to just admit when you're wrong, or go "yeah, I was being full of it. . . I haven't played Joe so I don't know what I'm talking about." You'd earn a lot of respect that way.

(crickets churping) I guess everyone had Zelda on the brain more than Joe.Nobody is denying that VJ is a good game.Not even me.But apparently Zelda got more pop than VJ did.All you seen was KOTOR and Zelda being talked about the most at the tail end of last year not VJ.Thats not fiction,thats fact.

Its been your pleasure.

["The Game"Evolution]

Yeah, he just conceded the point that by his logic, Halo is for wimps. But then, do you actually think he really puts in the time and beats all these games on Legendary mode?

Here's a stat for you. In the few months since systems war's new forums have been up, the site has generated 24,302 posts across ALL forums. Evolution has created 1521 posts. That is 6% of the entire content of the site, including the PC forums that he doesn't even post in. When you break it down, there's 14,000 sys wars posts, and since that's almost the only place he posts significantly, he's created 10% of all posts around here. That is why we say he is ALL TALK, because that's all he does. And that's why we say he's spamming the boards. Those stats speak for themselves. And he managed to rack up 1500 posts despite being banned for a whole month!!!!

You can count Gadfly? Good for you.I'm glad to see those Tutors has been doing their job with you after school.Now if you're done trying to hold a roast in my honor stop crying like a "ewe"and stick to the videogame threads like a good little buster.You act just like a woman sometimes.Always venting on things outside of the thread in question.

["The Game"Evolution]

Well, then you agree that Halo is for wimps then. Jeez you are a real bright one.

Level selects IMO is for wimps.But like I said if a game that I like happens to support this then so be it.Thats how I feel.Halo is for wimps? Sure.Who would want the best FPS ever made? Not me.Why should I like a game that has everything that most FPS's on any other console doesnt have? Not me.(sarcasm) Jeez I'm a real bright one.LOL! But yet you're a genius since all you own is a GC Trebor? You go Einstein.LOL!

Why should I care if you dont like Halo? All you own is a what? A Gamecube.And I own what? A PS2 and an Xbox.Both consoles has plenty of things that the GC doesnt have.Good for me and bad for you.

Twin Snakes appears to be a great game for those thats never played the original MGS on the PSX years ago.But best action game ever? LOL! Thats a joke of a statement.Thats what the original thread was all about.Stick to it lad.

MGS:TS is nothing more than the flavor of the month.In two months this game will be talked about as much as RS III was back in November and December of last year.Flash in the pan then silence.Games like Ninja Gaiden and Splinter Cell will continue to be talked about long after the TS hype has died down.Anybody want to talk about the real MGS game coming called MGS3:Snake-eater? I know I do.

[Deathstroke]

GTA is best, check your beloved charts.

::Checks beloved charts::

No no, VJ is still the best.

OMG Trebor, you made him agree Halo's for wimps. I think we're finally making real progress with this patient.

[Daman_He_Hate_Me]

Yeah, reminds me of one particular area of Splinter Cell where Sam is in the Embassy. It's that big room with the staircase, the spotlights, several gun turrets, and Sam has to get through the retinal scanner. I remember redoing this about 25 times. It got to the point where I was "mapping out" in my mind the exact steps to complete it ... OK, move right about 5 feet, jump up, grab ledge, ...... it was rediculous because I was memorizing a pattern of button presses and movements. I felt like I wasn't actually playing the game, it was a complicated puzzle with graphics in the background.

You see, I completely disagree with you. I never had to replay a level more than one or two times. Its kinda like Ninja Gaiden, some people are stuck or replaying levels, I just haven't had those difficulties. People were saying the very same thing about Splinter Cell, trial and error game play, etc., I just didn't have these problems. And Darwin, I think you know me well enough, to know i'm not lying to you. I couldn't imagine having done a level in Splinter Cell where I had to try it more than 3 times, but 25 times Meth, you had to be looking at the problem the wrong way.

And i can't remember every mission, and I can't remember the mission you are talking about. Was this one of the downloaded missions? Also, I heard you say earlier you "could not" choose either fight or flight. I have to say, there were plenty of times where I did have the choice. I didn't always choose flight, but I can remember one clear level where I did. The CIA mission, all the guys on the outside of the perimeter, did you fight and kill those guys? Or use stealth to gain access to the vent. I used stealth. What about when you get inside and your in the cage. There is a security guard there, I went over the fence, and somehow alerted this guy, but in the corrider I hide in the corner, all the security forces came running, and went right past me and I went up the staircase, and I think there was one guy I had to deal with at the top, i can't remember. There are some levels where you had no choice, like inside the Veselka sub, you basically had to kill everyone. But there were other levels where you didn't.

And when I played the game, in the beginning I was redoing levels maybe once or twice, rarely 3 times. And toward the end like in China, I was breezing through those missions. The sewage area in China is another example of when you could have avoided the enemy. Or the police station when you had to go into the coronors office and examine the CIA officers body I think(damn my memory is failing), but those streets I avoided everyone. I snuck into the facility no problems, I killed the lab guy, but when I got the info off the dead body, i did have a firefight. But when I went up the stairs after that, and had to sneak out to the awaiting van, there was a guy complaining to the cop on duty, I sneaked past all of that, and went out the door. I don't know Meth, I know you, and I believe what you say. But I just didn't have those problems.

My whole thing, with MetalGear, was I played MetalGear after playing Splinter Cell. So, you can imagine going from SC to MetalGear, even though this was the MetalGear XBOX version, there just wasn't no comparison. I could not play the game more than one day, I swear I rented the game, played it the first day, was completely unimpressed and although I had planned to play more of it, I just wasn't compelled to and never did. I thought the game was horrible. And I didn't see how it could get better.

[Gadfly2317]

(crickets churping) I guess everyone had Zelda on the brain more than Joe.Nobody is denying that VJ is a good game.Not even me.But apparently Zelda got more pop than VJ did.All you seen was KOTOR and Zelda being talked about the most at the tail end of last year not VJ.Thats not fiction,thats fact.

Its been your pleasure.

What does this year's two hype-games. . one riding the Zelda infamy, and other riding the Star-wars name, have to do with anything? These were both sprawling, huge epic games, and one was an RPG. Bringing up Zelda and Kotor goty awards is called changing the topic, yet ANOTHER annoying thing you do when you're arguments are like the house built upon sand.

It has nothing to do with the sheer greatness of viewtiful joe as an action game.

[Gadfly2317]

You can count Gadfly? Good for you.I'm glad to see those Tutors has been doing their job with you after school.Now if you're done trying to hold a roast in my honor stop crying like a "ewe"and stick to the videogame threads like a good little buster.You act just like a woman sometimes.Always venting on things outside of the thread in question.

What's up with your fixation on baby sheep? You're always on about the ewes. And why on earth does ewe need to be in quotes. . . "ewe?"

Quotes are good to emphasize you are kidding. . . like if I said:

You are a "gamer" who spams the boards with illiterate gibberish and nonsense. The quotes mean i think you're not really a gamer, but a trolling fanboy.

You're hopeless, but entertaining in a sad, car-wreck sort of way. Keep up the good work.

[Daman_He_Hate_Me]

What does this year's two hype-games. . one riding the Zelda infamy, and other riding the Star-wars name, have to do with anything? These were both sprawling, huge epic games, and one was an RPG. Bringing up Zelda and Kotor goty awards is called changing the topic, yet ANOTHER annoying thing you do when you're arguments are like the house built upon sand.

It has nothing to do with the sheer greatness of viewtiful joe as an action game.

Its funny, because now that the shoe is on the other foot. Non-XBOTS are trying to explain how a game that is so great, did so poorly. I mean we tried to tell you guys how good games like Motogp2 and Crimson Skies were, but people said, awww it didn't sell well or it didn't win GOTY, blah blah blah, its not great. More than anything, the ignorance about Motogp2 really pissed me off. But now, you have people saying how great games like Rachet & Clank are, or now Viewtiful Joe, and while they both have good enough reviews, neither of them caught the world on fire, R&C did better sales wise, but still not so hot when consider the worldwide installed base. VJ is now selling at a bargain price, didn't do well at all. Which is odd, considering the price reduction of the GC.

Now, i'm not going to be like others around here, and say the game is not AAA. I believe it is, but why didn't the game take off? Was is the 2D nature of the game? It couldn't have been Capcom, I mean that's a big name. I think the GC is the perfect platform, I mean, it wouldn't have done better on XBOX or PS2. Its kinda like Panzer Dragoon, in a new age of game, not many people really wanted to play a rail shooter, maybe not many people got excited about a game that at its core is almost a 2D sidescroller? Just odd to me, the game wasn't successful on a hit craved machine.

[Gadfly2317]

Its funny, because now that the shoe is on the other foot. Non-XBOTS are trying to explain how a game that is so great, did so poorly. I mean we tried to tell you guys how good games like Motogp2 and Crimson Skies were, but people said, awww it didn't sell well or it didn't win GOTY, blah blah blah, its not great. More than anything, the ignorance about Motogp2 really pissed me off. But now, you have people saying how great games like Rachet & Clank are, or now Viewtiful Joe, and while they both have good enough reviews, neither of them caught the world on fire, R&C did better sales wise, but still not so hot when consider the worldwide installed base. VJ is now selling at a bargain price, didn't do well at all. Which is odd, considering the price reduction of the GC.

Now, i'm not going to be like others around here, and say the game is not AAA. I believe it is, but why didn't the game take off? Was is the 2D nature of the game? It couldn't have been Capcom, I mean that's a big name. I think the GC is the perfect platform, I mean, it wouldn't have done better on XBOX or PS2. Its kinda like Panzer Dragoon, in a new age of game, not many people really wanted to play a rail shooter, maybe not many people got excited about a game that at its core is almost a 2D sidescroller? Just odd to me, the game wasn't successful on a hit craved machine.

I don't think most people here correlate sales with quality, necessarily. Enter the Matrix sold like mad, but I have heard only a few nice things said about it.

And where did you decide Joe didn't do well at all?

#2 (GC title, after Rogue Squadron) Viewtiful Joe Capcom 102,231 $4,060,866 ---this was its october sales from NPD, not a bad launch month for a 2-D artsy fartsy weird hard to market game. I think Crimson Skies was good, but it only mustered half the sales of VJ its launch month.

And 100,000 was just the North American launch. This game didn't take over the world of gaming to become a household name, but it commanded HUGE critical respect, and its sold well enough to merit a sequel. This game had quality regardless of what it sold, but the fact is, it sold a whole lot better than you're making out.

[Daman_He_Hate_Me]

I don't think most people here correlate sales with quality, necessarily. Enter the Matrix sold like mad, but I have heard only a few nice things said about it.

And where did you decide Joe didn't do well at all?

#2 (GC title, after Rogue Squadron) Viewtiful Joe Capcom 102,231 $4,060,866 ---this was its october sales from NPD, not a bad launch month for a 2-D artsy fartsy weird hard to market game. I think Crimson Skies was good, but it only mustered half the sales of VJ its launch month.

And 100,000 was just the North American launch. This game didn't take over the world of gaming to become a household name, but it commanded HUGE critical respect, and its sold well enough to merit a sequel. This game had quality regardless of what it sold, but the fact is, it sold a whole lot better than you're making out.

Whoa slow down, i'm not trying to make its sales out to be anything. I just didn't think it sold that well. I don't remember it in any of the overall top 10 monthly lists, or in the top games at the end of the year we were listing, coulda been an oversight on my part. And, I myself, never equate sales to quality. I was saying others did this in regards to Motogp2. But, I guess the general mark for sales success is platinum, has it reached that level yet?

[trebor]

Level selects IMO is for wimps.But like I said if a game that I like happens to support this then so be it.Thats how I feel.Halo is for wimps? Sure.Who would want the best FPS ever made? Not me.Why should I like a game that has everything that most FPS's on any other console doesnt have? Not me.(sarcasm) Jeez I'm a real bright one.LOL! But yet you're a genius since all you own is a GC Trebor? You go Einstein.LOL!

Hey, thanks for pointing out the sarcasm to me - I'm just too "dumb" to get stuff like that.


Why should I care if you dont like Halo? All you own is a what? A Gamecube.And I own what? A PS2 and an Xbox.Both consoles has plenty of things that the GC doesnt have.Good for me and bad for you.

Hey, I didn't say anything bad about Halo. You are the one who said it was for wimps.


Twin Snakes appears to be a great game for those thats never played the original MGS on the PSX years ago.But best action game ever? LOL! Thats a joke of a statement.Thats what the original thread was all about.Stick to it lad.

Well, so far, you haven't quite come up with a coherent argument proving Twin Snakes isn't the best action game ever. < Those italics over there, or as you would think of them as "dem slanty letters," means I'm emphasizing the "isn't" in that sentence.


MGS:TS is nothing more than the flavor of the month.In two months this game will be talked about as much as RS III was back in November and December of last year.Flash in the pan then silence.Games like Ninja Gaiden and Splinter Cell will continue to be talked about long after the TS hype has died down.Anybody want to talk about the real MGS game coming called MGS3:Snake-eater? I know I do.

There you go back off into your incoherent babbling again, "lad."

[Gamer88]

"The Game" Evolution
The question is have you played Halo from start to finish? Second of all have you beaten it on Legendary? I have.It was hell on Earth.But it got done.MP is a challenging game.But so is Halo.Plus I would love to see how Samus would fair against the Covenant.Halo is clearly the better game.But you're stuck up GC's rear so this will probably fall on deaf ears anyway.

Yes I have played Halo from start to finish, On Legendary? No I have not. To many other good games to waste so much time on one. Hell on earth? You want a hard game play Metriod Prime. How would Samus fare agianst the covenant? Samus would just turn into a morph ball and blow the **** outta all the covenant soldiers. How would master chief fair agianst Samus's many enemies?. Halo is not a better game, If not for the multiplayer it would not even come close to MP's greatness.

"The Game" Evolution
I say they would kill her in record time.I am not saying that playing easier games is a bad thing.But sometimes you should play a game that more challenging than others.It makes you learn something about yourself.

Kill her in record time? Those covenant wimps that Master Chief has so much trouble with? Well lets just say that Samus decided to take time out of her busy schedule in order to defeat the covenant because Master Chief is to weak to wipe them out alone. Unlike Master Chief Samus doesn't need all these other soldiers helping her to finish the job. Actually she only works alone. She would probably KILL the covenant in record time, Wiping the entire covenant army out in a hour.

"The Game" Evolution
Last time I checked it was the PS2 and the Xbox that was superior to the GC.Both of those consoles has games online and the GC doesnt.Hows that for superior gameplay? OUCH!!! Makes me glad I own the two best consoles on the planet.I dont see 3rd parties dropping off from them.You cant say the same about the GC these days can you? Nope.OUCH again.LOL!

Last time I checked it was the PC and the GC that were superior to the Xbox. On the PC I can play for free online and on the GC I can get a very satisfing offline single and multiplayer experience. Hows that for supierior gameplay?OUCH!!!!! Makes me glad I own the two best systems on the planet. Its ok that 3rd parties are dropping the gamecube because I get plenty of 1st party nintendo games plus "exculsive" xbox games on my PC OUCH!!! agian LOL!

["The Game"Evolution]

What does this year's two hype-games. . one riding the Zelda infamy, and other riding the Star-wars name, have to do with anything? These were both sprawling, huge epic games, and one was an RPG. Bringing up Zelda and Kotor goty awards is called changing the topic, yet ANOTHER annoying thing you do when you're arguments are like the house built upon sand.

It has nothing to do with the sheer greatness of viewtiful joe as an action game.

Like I said.If VJ was indeed all that how come it never won any GOTY awards? Why cant you answer the question Gadfly? Thats not changing the subject at all.Thats going even deeper on the subject.I already said VJ IMO was a great game.No problems giving props to any game that deserves it.But when it came down to which games was the creme of the crop for 2003 where was VJ? When you can answer that let me know.

Other than that son you're losing this one.If you are not then answer the question.:If VJ was all that how come it didnt win any GOTY awards?

[Gamer88]

"The Game" Evolution
Why should I care if you dont like Halo? All you own is a what? A Gamecube.And I own what? A PS2 and an Xbox.Both consoles has plenty of things that the GC doesnt have.Good for me and bad for you.

Yeah and the GC has plenty of things that the PS2 and Xbox doesn't. As a matter of fact that can go any way, The PS2 has things that the Xbox and GC don't have. Oh wait? There all diffrent consoles so all will have something the other doesn't. Why do you always have to state the obvoius? You know why you should care if they don't like Halo? Either do I but the fact you even responded proves you care even if its the slightest bit because if you didn't then you wouldn't have said anything.

Twin Snakes appears to be a great game for those thats never played the original MGS on the PSX years ago.But best action game ever? LOL! Thats a joke of a statement.Thats what the original thread was all about.Stick to it lad.

You stick to the original thread, Your first Statement sure didn't.

MGS:TS is nothing more than the flavor of the month.In two months this game will be talked about as much as RS III was back in November and December of last year.Flash in the pan then silence.Games like Ninja Gaiden and Splinter Cell will continue to be talked about long after the TS hype has died down.Anybody want to talk about the real MGS game coming called MGS3:Snake-eater? I know I do.

MGS::TS is about as real as a MGS game can get. As a matter of fact it is the most real of any of them out there right now.

["The Game"Evolution]

"The Game" Evolution


Yes I have played Halo from start to finish, On Legendary? No I have not. To many other good games to waste so much time on one. Hell on earth? You want a hard game play Metriod Prime. How would Samus fare agianst the covenant? Samus would just turn into a morph ball and blow the **** outta all the covenant soldiers. How would master chief fair agianst Samus's many enemies?. Halo is not a better game, If not for the multiplayer it would not even come close to MP's greatness.


"The Game" Evolution


Kill her in record time? Those covenant wimps that Master Chief has so much trouble with? Well lets just say that Samus decided to take time out of her busy schedule in order to defeat the covenant because Master Chief is to weak to wipe them out alone. Unlike Master Chief Samus doesn't need all these other soldiers helping her to finish the job. Actually she only works alone. She would probably KILL the covenant in record time, Wiping the entire covenant army out in a hour.

"The Game" Evolution

Last time I checked it was the PC and the GC that were superior to the Xbox. On the PC I can play for free online and on the GC I can get a very satisfing offline single and multiplayer experience. Hows that for supierior gameplay?OUCH!!!!! Makes me glad I own the two best systems on the planet. Its ok that 3rd parties are dropping the gamecube because I get plenty of 1st party nintendo games plus "exculsive" xbox games on my PC OUCH!!! agian LOL!

Prime harder than Halo? LOL! Thats a good joke 88.Thats the best you can do? Samus would turn into a ball and blow the crap outta all the covenant soldiers? Hmm. lets see so you're saying that if Samus was on the snowy level where you have alien landcrusiers,alien tanks,banshees flying overhead,and aliens on foot with guns and grenades it would be a cake-walk for Samus to just have her way with the convenant? LOL! Yeah right.She would get in a few licks but in the end she would be destroyed.

How would chief fare against The Metroids? Who knows.Hell with a bazooka in one hand and a Assault rifle in the other hand who knows what would happen.Halo is not a better game? LOL! Well last time I checked Halo was the total package while MP was simply a great single player shooter.The aliens on Halo was indeed way more intelligent than the ones on Prime.Plus the enemies on Prime came back after you re-entered a room.In Halo once something is dead it stays dead.MP is a great game,but Halo is the measuring stick when it comes to FPS's.Dont believe it? Take a poll.

She would kill the convenant in an hour? LOL! Thats another good joke.

The GC is superior to the Xbox? How is that? I can download new materials to saved games through my Xbox from demo discs thanks to my built in hard drive.Can the GC do that? No.I can watch DVD movies on my Xbox.Can you do that on the GC? No.I can play music on my Xbox.Can you do that on the GC? No.

I can play online games on my Xbox if I wanted to.Can you play anything online for the GC other than PSO? No.The average capacity space on a DVD is about 4.7 GB.Thats about the same capacity that an average game disc for the PS2 and the Xbox contains.Does the discs on the GC hold that much? No.It actually can hold half of that much.So much for you GC is superior than the Xbox theory.

So the GC has a mere handful of 1st party titles.Most of those games I can play on my N64.Your point is what? The PS2/Xbox combo has alot more 1st and 3rd party games to choose from.Who needs anything from the GC? Not me.

Sorry smarty,I'll take the PS2/Xbox combo over the PC/GC combo any day of the week.You shouldnt try to use my own material against me lad.It makes you look like a desperate waif with nowhere to turn.Use your own material.

["The Game"Evolution]

Hey, thanks for pointing out the sarcasm to me - I'm just too "dumb" to get stuff like that.



Hey, I didn't say anything bad about Halo. You are the one who said it was for wimps.



Well, so far, you haven't quite come up with a coherent argument proving Twin Snakes isn't the best action game ever. < Those italics over there, or as you would think of them as "dem slanty letters," means I'm emphasizing the "isn't" in that sentence.



There you go back off into your incoherent babbling again, "lad."

You have someone that owns both a PS2 and an Xbox.Lets talk about games shall we Trebor? What games on the GC do you think is going to make a huge impact this year? Enlighten me.From RPG's to FPS's to action/adventure titles.You name your best on the GC and I'll name my best from the Xbox for this year.Anytime you're ready stud deal the cards.

["The Game"Evolution]

I don't think most people here correlate sales with quality, necessarily. Enter the Matrix sold like mad, but I have heard only a few nice things said about it.

And where did you decide Joe didn't do well at all?

#2 (GC title, after Rogue Squadron) Viewtiful Joe Capcom 102,231 $4,060,866 ---this was its october sales from NPD, not a bad launch month for a 2-D artsy fartsy weird hard to market game. I think Crimson Skies was good, but it only mustered half the sales of VJ its launch month.

And 100,000 was just the North American launch. This game didn't take over the world of gaming to become a household name, but it commanded HUGE critical respect, and its sold well enough to merit a sequel. This game had quality regardless of what it sold, but the fact is, it sold a whole lot better than you're making out.

But when the GOTY awards came and went for 2003 ETM nor VJ won jack.The end.But look on the bright side:both games sold alot though.People dont remember the numbers of copies a game has sold people chooses to remember the games that won those awards for GOTY.Stick that in your pipe and smoke it lad.

[Gamer88]

"The Game" Evolution
Prime harder than Halo? LOL! Thats a good joke 88.Thats the best you can do? Samus would turn into a ball and blow the crap outta all the covenant soldiers? Hmm. lets see so you're saying that if Samus was on the snowy level where you have alien landcrusiers,alien tanks,banshees flying overhead,and aliens on foot with guns and grenades it would be a cake-walk for Samus to just have her way with the convenant? LOL! Yeah right.She would get in a few licks but in the end she would be destroyed.

How would chief fare against The Metroids? Who knows.Hell with a bazooka in one hand and a Assault rifle in the other hand who knows what would happen.Halo is not a better game? LOL! Well last time I checked Halo was the total package while MP was simply a great single player shooter.The aliens on Halo was indeed way more intelligent than the ones on Prime.Plus the enemies on Prime came back after you re-entered a room.In Halo once something is dead it stays dead.MP is a great game,but Halo is the measuring stick when it comes to FPS's.Dont believe it? Take a poll.

She would kill the convenant in an hour? LOL! Thats another good joke.

Samus would use her regular beam attack to take out the wimpy, inaccurate banshees then the same attack to take out the landcruisers full of covenants, She would then use her missles to blow up the tanks. Prime is harder then Halo. Play both games like I have. I figured you would be to wimpy to take the the reappearing enemies. People like you just can't take a challege anymore game. Metroids come back because they are like that, Unlike covenant wimps who fall over at the sight of you.

"The Game" Evolution
The GC is superior to the Xbox? How is that? I can download new materials to saved games through my Xbox from demo discs thanks to my built in hard drive.Can the GC do that? No.I can watch DVD movies on my Xbox.Can you do that on the GC? No.I can play music on my Xbox.Can you do that on the GC? No.

I can play online games on my Xbox if I wanted to.Can you play anything online for the GC other than PSO? No.The average capacity space on a DVD is about 4.7 GB.Thats about the same capacity that an average game disc for the PS2 and the Xbox contains.Does the discs on the GC hold that much? No.It actually can hold half of that much.So much for you GC is superior than the Xbox theory.

For the first post my argument is GBA-GC connectivity, PC, DVD Player. With the GBA-GC connectivity I can get new bonus crap as well.

I can play online games on my PC. Can you play online for FREE on the Xbox? No. Smaller disk makes faster loader times. Does smaller disk in any way make the game inferior to a version on another console? No. If we have to use mutliple disk so be it.

"The Game" Evolution
Sorry smarty,I'll take the PS2/Xbox combo over the PC/GC combo any day of the week.You shouldnt try to use my own material against me lad.It makes you look like a desperate waif with nowhere to turn.Use your own material.

Ever consider that two people can look at the same thing and see it diffrently? You may see me as a desperate wolf but obvoiusly thats only because the joke is on you. I use my own material for example I use it on the gamecube forums.

[Gamer88]

"The Game" Evolution
You have someone that owns both a PS2 and an Xbox.Lets talk about games shall we Trebor? What games on the GC do you think is going to make a huge impact this year? Enlighten me.From RPG's to FPS's to action/adventure titles.You name your best on the GC and I'll name my best from the Xbox for this year.Anytime you're ready stud deal the cards.

Here is a few. Mario128, Zelda Four Swords )(I think the gamecube one is coming this year...)( Pikmin 2, Tales of Symphonia, Baten Kaitos, Another FF Title? )(Check Nintendojo.com they got some updated information on that)( Geist, Custom Robo. There are more but thats all for now. Instead of overflowing me with Xbox Titles coming out this year how about you just compare a single Xbox game to each Gamecube game I listed.

["The Game"Evolution]

"The Game" Evolution


Here is a few. Mario128, Zelda Four Swords )(I think the gamecube one is coming this year...)( Pikmin 2, Tales of Symphonia, Baten Kaitos, Another FF Title? )(Check Nintendojo.com they got some updated information on that)( Geist, Custom Robo. There are more but thats all for now. Instead of overflowing me with Xbox Titles coming out this year how about you just compare a single Xbox game to each Gamecube game I listed.

Lets see Zelda Four Swords/Fable

Pikimin 2/B.C.

Tales Of Symphnia/Sudeki

Custom Robo/Steel Battlion:Online

Geist/The Chronicles Of Riddick

Got more?

[Gadfly2317]

But when the GOTY awards came and went for 2003 ETM nor VJ won jack.The end.But look on the bright side:both games sold alot though.People dont remember the numbers of copies a game has sold people chooses to remember the games that won those awards for GOTY.Stick that in your pipe and smoke it lad.

No, people remember games that they played that blew their mind. . . they don't remember them because some magazine gave them an award.

And you won't remember Viewtiful Joe or Metroid Prime or Zelda Windwaker because you never played them. Too bad for you. (So you can already play Zelda on your N64 huh? Do you know how dumb that sounds when you pimp the Ps2. . . gee, I guess we could say that we could just go play most of those games on our Ps1, like Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, and Gran Turismo.)

BTW, Gamer 88 is wiping the floor with your ass in your little Metroid vs Halo tiff, if only because he's played both games, so regardless of opinion, at least his posts show that he knows what he's talking about. You're posts sound like gibberish because you're trying to debate the details of a game you've never played.

[trebor]

.The aliens on Halo was indeed way more intelligent than the ones on Prime.Plus the enemies on Prime came back after you re-entered a room.In Halo once something is dead it stays dead.

What a load of BS. While I can at least admit the AI in Halo is very sophisitcated, that doesn't mean the AI in Prime isn't. Enemies will surround you when possible, and often times enemies are tougher to kill in Prime than in Halo.

This whole argument about respawning enemies in Prime is just stupid. The nature of the game makes it so you have to often visit areas more than once, so if all the enemies "stayed dead" there would be nothing to do. So, it actually makes a lot of sense if you took the time to think about it.

But let's take a look at Halo shall we? What about the Truth and Reconciliation level? I seem to recall that once you killed all the Covenant in the ravine, new "waves" of enemies spawned. Same at the end of the level where you are supposed to enter the ship, at least 3 waves of Covenant spawned before the it lets you enter the ship. The whole concept of making you fight gratuitous waves of enemies kind of ruined the game for me.

So if it is between enemies that respawn after you leave the area or "waves" of enemies - I'll take the respawning, thank you very much.

[folken001]

Lets see Zelda Four Swords/Fable

Pikimin 2/B.C.

Tales Of Symphnia/Sudeki

Custom Robo/Steel Battlion:Online

Geist/The Chronicles Of Riddick

Got more?


Tales of Symphia will murder Sudeki. Oh, God you are actually thinking Sudeki will do any good for MS/Rare?

Steel Battlion: Online? No Xbox owners cared to pick one up back then, why do you think they will pick one up now and pay to play it online?

[Tappy_Tibbons]

Folken is our in-house psychic

[Deathstroke]

Hey, I thought I was the resident in house psychic.

Fable will be the best RPG...

.... of 2005

Yeah, I'm gonna ride the coattails of that prediction for the rest of my stay here.

[Renzatic Gear]

But dood! They already have the Fable boxes on the shelves! U R RONG!

[Deathstroke]

I'm going to let you in on a secret.
A secret that will shock and amaze you.
A secret that will cause you to doubt your very existance.
A secret that is probably the most horrific thing you'll ever hear.

Yes, not since you found out that Santa Clause was not real, has a secret affected you this much.

For those that are faint of heart, you may stop reading now.

.................................................. .................................................. ..........

Those Fable boxes are actually empty.

.................................................. .................................................. ..........

There, blew your mind didn't it.

[Renzatic Gear]

Nuh uh! My friend who's dad works for Microsoft told me that the Fable boxes are actually filled with game but cuz of an agreement of some kind stores aren't allowed to sell them cuz it'd make Microsoft poor and that's why the stores don't sell them cuz they don't want Microsoft to be poor.

Edit: Microsoft gives them many moneys

[Deathstroke]

Errr, ummm, expect to be contacted in the future for an espionage mission.

[Renzatic Gear]

Put me in the game coach, I'm ready!

Hey...when do I get the keys to the orbital satellite?

[Deathstroke]

You'll have to pay an exorbitant amount of money first.

I'm not letting anyone as power hungry as Folken on this satellite.

["The Game"Evolution]

What do we play games for? Really, why do you play games? Me-I'm into them to have fun and to be entertained. A game like Ninja Gaiden doesn't entertain me. It's not so difficult that I can't progress through the title. But the game has a poor-ass storyline behind it and T&A thrown in for the pre-puberescent males of the world. The camera hinders more than it helps and I find the enemies to be boring & unimaginative.

Twin Snakes on the other hand let's you decide the level of difficulty you wish to play at. Twin Snakes has an excellent storyline & anti-war theme in it. Twin Snakes takes everything that was great about both of the MGS titles and combines them into one helluva package.

I surely do not consider myself a "wussie" at games and love a challenge. However, Ninja Gaiden is just difficult for the sake of poor design issues. Right now, everyone is "wowed" by the graphics but that will soon wear off and this game will fall back to just another "me too" title. Meanwhile, Metal Gear Solid is already legend.

Storyline is drab my ass! Its like this:Ninja Gaiden is indeed a live ass game to play.Yes its hard,and yes its very challenging.But guess what? Thats what real gamers love to face.Challenges.Its not my fault that you rather play a wussie game like Twin Snakes that allows you to adjust the level of difficulty for you can feel like a man and get through it with the greatest of ease.Give me a break Enforcer.

Its like this if you love a challenge then why in the blue hell are you complaining about how hard the game is then? MGS:TS is a good game.But its not Ninja Gaiden.The only MGS game thats really going to make some noise this year will be MGS3:Snake Eater for the PS2.Thats going to be just as tough or perhaps even tougher than the last one.

So I hope you guys are ready.SInce most of you wussies cried like"ewes"about how hard Splinter Cell was.Now here you are crying up a storm about how hard NG was compared to Twin Snakes.SO forgive me if I find you to be the biggest wuss on the planet.Even though you do own all three consoles,you're sure as hell dont appriciate a real challenge..

[Gadfly2317]

Like I said.If VJ was indeed all that how come it never won any GOTY awards? Why cant you answer the question Gadfly? Thats not changing the subject at all.Thats going even deeper on the subject.I already said VJ IMO was a great game.No problems giving props to any game that deserves it.But when it came down to which games was the creme of the crop for 2003 where was VJ? When you can answer that let me know.

Other than that son you're losing this one.If you are not then answer the question.:If VJ was all that how come it didnt win any GOTY awards?

Good god, man!!! What a stupid, freaking question. "If VJ is all that why didn't it win GOTY?" Do you only watch the movie that wins Best Picture at the Academy Awards? There are masterpieces designed to appeal to niche tastes. You can't ONLY measure something's worth by its appeal to the massive consumer hoard of locusts.

VJ won many awards, at many places, from best Art Direction to Best Action game. And it IS all that. An Epic Role playing game wins game of the year. Lord of the Rings won best movie of the year, but does that mean "Girl With the Pearl Earring" and "Lost in Translation" weren't aboslutely brilliant masterpieces?

Did you know that Vincent Van Gogh only sold one painting during his life? Based on sales like that, I guess we could say that Van Gogh was not "all that", huh? Or maybe he was just ahead of his time, and the rubes filling this puke-hole of planet hadn't quite caught up yet.

[Gamer88]

"The Game" Evolution
Storyline is drab my ass! Its like this:Ninja Gaiden is indeed a live ass game to play.Yes its hard,and yes its very challenging.But guess what? Thats what real gamers love to face.Challenges.Its not my fault that you rather play a wussie game like Twin Snakes that allows you to adjust the level of difficulty for you can feel like a man and get through it with the greatest of ease.Give me a break Enforcer.

Who dubbed you spokesman of all "real gamers"? In my eyes the ideal gamer would be one who plays games for fun, not for the challege. If you want a challege why not go and do something productive in the real world eh? There are plenty of challeges in all the worlds problems you could be working on.

[AOE Enforcer]

Storyline is drab my ass! Its like this:Ninja Gaiden is indeed a live ass game to play.Yes its hard,and yes its very challenging.But guess what? Thats what real gamers love to face.Challenges.Its not my fault that you rather play a wussie game like Twin Snakes that allows you to adjust the level of difficulty for you can feel like a man and get through it with the greatest of ease.Give me a break Enforcer.

Its like this if you love a challenge then why in the blue hell are you complaining about how hard the game is then? MGS:TS is a good game.But its not Ninja Gaiden.The only MGS game thats really going to make some noise this year will be MGS3:Snake Eater for the PS2.Thats going to be just as tough or perhaps even tougher than the last one.

So I hope you guys are ready.SInce most of you wussies cried like"ewes"about how hard Splinter Cell was.Now here you are crying up a storm about how hard NG was compared to Twin Snakes.SO forgive me if I find you to be the biggest wuss on the planet.Even though you do own all three consoles,you're sure as hell dont appriciate a real challenge..

"Real" gamers play games to have fun. Since when have you become the spokesman for gamers the world over? Do you realize that at this very moment, someone is laughing at you? You have no clue what I am talking about, but guys like, oh:

Trebor
Deathstroke
T.Tashi
Gamer88
Gadfly
AOE The Apocalypse
Folken
Twelve
Evil Sony Corporate Henchman
Renzatic Gear
Tracer1

....know exactly what I am talking about. You are the butt of a very big, public joke. And every day, more and more people know what a joke you are. Oh, to the tune of about 157 laughs at your expense and counting. You see, the AoE is on the move in a big way.

But back to the subject of Ninja Gaiden, the story isn't "drabb", it's just a flat-out joke! I know that you are turned on by digital boobies and all, but try to contain yourself, look over your infantile fascination with fake breasts and admit to yourself that the storyline in Ninja Gaiden is lame as hell.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

right, if they hate the Xbox, and are highly opinionated Japanese game whores, they are on that list

[Gamer88]

Tappy_Tibbons
right, if they hate the Xbox, and are highly opinionated Japanese game whores, they are on that list

I really don't hate the xbox. I dislike most of the people who play the xbox. Because the majority of people who play the xbox tend to be the ones who play it to be more "manly". They can talk the talk but certainly can't walk the walk. For example I heard that "The Game" Evolution lost a game of Capcom vs. SNK2 to Folken. I would wager that before they played "The Game" probably kept saying how good he was and blah blah blah then when they finally played he gets killed.

[Renzatic Gear]

Oh comeon, Tibbs, I don't hate the Xbox. I just like arguing with you all, mainly cuz it's so easy. It's like running a 50 yard dash against a bunch of bow-legged kids.....who are also retarded.

[Darwin]

I'm going to let you in on a secret.
A secret that will shock and amaze you.
A secret that will cause you to doubt your very existance.
A secret that is probably the most horrific thing you'll ever hear.

Yes, not since you found out that Santa Clause was not real, has a secret affected you this much.

For those that are faint of heart, you may stop reading now.

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Those Fable boxes are actually empty.

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There, blew your mind didn't it.

Whoa ..... holy crap, game retailers can do that? They can put boxes on shelves without the game or a solid release date? Those lowballing con artists.

Thank God my local EB doesn't pull stunts like that. I mean, they've already had the Halo 2 paraphinalia out for a long while and are already taking preorders for it ... that must mean that Halo is just around the corner, with no possible delays.

[Darwin]

But back to the subject of Ninja Gaiden, the story isn't "drabb", it's just a flat-out joke! I know that you are turned on by digital boobies and all, but try to contain yourself, look over your infantile fascination with fake breasts and admit to yourself that the storyline in Ninja Gaiden is lame as hell.

I just finished NG on Sunday night. Although I enjoyed the game a lot, I will agree that the story was rather slim. In fact, the story kinda falls apart near the end of the game. In case you wanted to know (since you probably aren't planning on finishing the game), this is what happens at the very end ...

[ spoiler ... if you haven't finished NG and don't want to have the ending spoiled, then look away ... although it should be noted that the story wasn't really that interesting anyway]

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The nunchucku boss you fought in chapter 1 ... yeah, turns out he is the new recipient of the dark dragon blade. He's turns traiter on you and you fight him... he dies. Rachel and Ryu look at each other but don't say anything except, "It's over". Ryu doesn't get a kiss, doesn't get some action ... he gets nothing. Then, he turns himself into a bird and flies away. That's it. A freakin bird!!???

So, there you have it. You didn't miss much of anything, story-wise.

[Renzatic Gear]

Whoa ..... holy crap, game retailers can do that? They can put boxes on shelves without the game or a solid release date? Those lowballing con artists.

Thank God my local EB doesn't pull stunts like that. I mean, they've already had the Halo 2 paraphinalia out for a long while and are already taking preorders for it ... that must mean that Halo is just around the corner, with no possible delays.lol...it's not quite as bad as we made it out to be. Usually the boxes will have "PREORDER NOW!" or "RESERVE YOUR COPY TODAY!" stamped somewhere on the cover showing that it's a promotional item.

Mind you the key word here is usually..the PC Doom 3 preorder boxes look like regular on-the-shelf titles, and my local EB has gone so far as to put them up with the rest of the new releases to freak people out. It's the only game I've seen done in that way though, and to tell the truth it isn't like the game needs much promotion to sell so it's kind of a waste of time.

[EvilSonyCorpHenchman]

Put me in the game coach, I'm ready!

Hey...when do I get the keys to the orbital satellite?

The view of the earth from orbit is overrated. It ain't even round. It's pear shaped.

Now my secret underground base has a casino, theatre AND a nudie bar complete with women from all over the