Boo-Hoo! Wah-Wah! Cry me a river babies!

[Gaming Geezer 78]

For the love of pete, is it really necessary to make a dozen seperate posts complaining about Soul Calibur II?

The simple thing is: If you don't like the game, don't buy it! What really cracks me up is people comparing Dead Or Alive 3 and saying it is better! All that matters to Xbots (not Xbox owners in general but the fanatical butt-munch who complain about graphics) is graphics, graphics, graphics! And I've been over this before-art style is alot more important than bump-mapping. I love the fantasy designs of the Soul Calibur II cast whereas the DOA3 cast is just babes with bouncing jugs and Rob Liefeld-esque "brawny men". Your stereotypical "dudes." And what is really funny is that the boys in DOA3 are rip-offs of Virtua Fighter characters! LMFAO!

Let's gripe about "floating rock" arenas. All of SCII's arenas are floating rocks! Yeah, ok-play the game then get back to me on that farce. And gee, DOA3's arenas where you fall 3 stories through neon signs and smash your face in the pavement is so much more realistic, right? Or how about where you fall hundreds of feet face first from a cliff and get back up to fight? Gee-for a game that goes for more "realism" like DOA3, it sure as hell is aweful UN-realistic! And hell, how about those spiffy "blowing leaves" and "snowy" levels in DOA3. Yeah-we've never seen those before! Give me a big freakin' break!

And it takes nerve or stupidity-I'm not sure which-to balk at SCII's lack of online. Gee...where is the online DOA? I must have missed that option in DOA3! I love Soul Calibur II so much, I bought all three versions! Yup-I spent $150 on three versions of the same game! Why? Because the characters in SCII are each so fleshed out, different and interesting that I wanted to play as Spawn, Heihachi and Link. They are each so great in their own right that it is worth the $150 to play as them all! And the cover art, booklet art and disc art on all three is different and sweet!

It all boils down to personal preference, but give us all a break on the "Soul Calibur II sucks/yawn/crap/whack" posts. BTW Slade...the demo disc with SCII on PS2 doesn't give you new characters, it just unlocks all of them! Sorry if you misunderstood.

[slade]

Say Gamer, what's you current ranking in Weapon Master Mode. I've made it all the way up to Grand Edgemaster of the Basilisk. Is there a higher level up.

P.S. You'll get flamed easily for this thread.

[mass]

You bought all three versions, because, let's face it, you're nuts! As for the bouncing boobies factor, Taki not only holds her own against the DOA babes, I'd say those pair are by far the most outrageous set I've seen on a videogame babe. They even jiggle when she moves around, and do my eyes deceive me but aren't her nips showing. Don't know about the A factor yet, but SC2 has the T factor covered quite nicely. Schwingg!!

[Darwin]

<div class=\"smallfont\"> I love Soul Calibur II so much, I bought all three versions! Yup-I spent $150 on three versions of the same game!</div>

That's OK, I now own a second Xbox. I just wanted to help pad the Xbox sales numbers and to prove what an Xbot I truly am. They'll know how much of a true fan you are by the number of times you buy it.

Let's get to the real reason you bought all 3 copies: for collection purposes. And there's nothing wrong with that. But, don't try and convince me that the game is so good and the individual characters are so different that it's worth buying the game for more than one platform for just the one character.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

I rented it...beat it 3 times in 15 minutes and put in RTCW. I've not had the opprotunity to play it 2 player but I will say from initial impressions that the graphics are actually WORSE than SC1 for DC. I don't get it...well I guess when everyone has to be on a level playing ground, throw a PS2 in the mix and everyone ends up looking like sub-Dreamcast material! Beyond that, good presentation, NO load times(amazingly), good sound, haven't examined the extras because it is missing the most important extra...all fighting games should be online(ever since I played CvS2EO on LIVE with NO lag 95% of the time btw) and from this point I will not purchase a single fighting game that is offline.

And Lamer from 78, DOA3 wasn't online, sure, but at the time NO CONSOLES were online so I hadn't upped my standards...now, it's simply NO EXCUSE since it HAS BEEN DONE.

[Zangoose, Furious]

<div class=\"smallfont\">but I will say from initial impressions that the graphics are actually WORSE than SC1 for DC. I don't get it...well I guess when everyone has to be on a level playing ground, throw a PS2 in the mix and everyone ends up looking like sub-Dreamcast material! </div>


They always say that "love is blind", but I guess stupidity hits the mark too, doesn't it?

[Gaming Geezer 78]

I rented it...beat it 3 times in 15 minutes and put in RTCW. I've not had the opprotunity to play it 2 player but I will say from initial impressions that the graphics are actually WORSE than SC1 for DC. I don't get it...well I guess when everyone has to be on a level playing ground, throw a PS2 in the mix and everyone ends up looking like sub-Dreamcast material! Beyond that, good presentation, NO load times(amazingly), good sound, haven't examined the extras because it is missing the most important extra...all fighting games should be online(ever since I played CvS2EO on LIVE with NO lag 95% of the time btw) and from this point I will not purchase a single fighting game that is offline.

And Lamer from 78, DOA3 wasn't online, sure, but at the time NO CONSOLES were online so I hadn't upped my standards...now, it's simply NO EXCUSE since it HAS BEEN DONE.

You didn't scratch the surface of the game. ANY fighter including DOA3 can be beat through with a single character in under 5 minutes! What, is this supposed to be a knock against SCII?

The graphics are worse than Soul Calibur on Dreamcast? You just lost all credibility. Only a mongoloid would make such a claim. Oh, wait! Look who I was talking to! And there you go on the "online" kick again. So I guess you are never, ever, ever going to play DOA3 again, right?

Online is not the standard of any game genre. The amount of online titles pales in comparison to offline titles and that's the way it should be. There is nothing wrong with a strong, single-player experience nor is there anything wrong with offline multiplayer. Wow-keep throwing around insults like "lamer from 78" that nobody has heard before! And while your at it-keep up with your moronic "worse than Dreamcast graphics" nonsense. You just keep making yourself look smarter.

[Gaming Geezer 78]

That's OK, I now own a second Xbox. I just wanted to help pad the Xbox sales numbers and to prove what an Xbot I truly am. They'll know how much of a true fan you are by the number of times you buy it.

Let's get to the real reason you bought all 3 copies: for collection purposes. And there's nothing wrong with that. But, don't try and convince me that the game is so good and the individual characters are so different that it's worth buying the game for more than one platform for just the one character.

I'm not trying to tell anyone to buy all three versions or even more than one. At first, I wanted Spawn the most. Then, I really wanted to play as Heihachi. Then I figured, I want Link as well. Each character is fleshed out enough and has enough replay value as a stand-alone character to warrant me buying all three versions. Each characters has over a dozen weapons to collect and mixes things up quite nicely in both Arcade and Weapon Master mode. So yes-to me each version was worth a purchase for the exclusive character. Nice, variated cover, booklet and disc art doesn't hurt either. And selling two copies of the SCII Artbook & lithographs for over $50 total wasn't a bad maneuver either.

[Gaming Geezer 78]

You bought all three versions, because, let's face it, you're nuts! As for the bouncing boobies factor, Taki not only holds her own against the DOA babes, I'd say those pair are by far the most outrageous set I've seen on a videogame babe. They even jiggle when she moves around, and do my eyes deceive me but aren't her nips showing. Don't know about the A factor yet, but SC2 has the T factor covered quite nicely. Schwingg!!

As far as the boobies go, you are clueless. Taki might have bigger jugs than the DOA babes-but there is one big difference.

DOA3 was marketed as a jug-game. The commercials showed two geeks watching the girls bounce around and say "She kicks high." DOA3 is basically Hentai while Taki in SCII is more of what is called "fan service." Boy, you make a compelling arguement against Soul Calibur. Grow up.

[mass]

<div class=\"smallfont\">As far as the boobies go, you are clueless. Taki might have bigger jugs than the DOA babes-but there is one big difference.

DOA3 was marketed as a jug-game. The commercials showed two geeks watching the girls bounce around and say &quot;She kicks high.&quot; DOA3 is basically Hentai while Taki in SCII is more of what is called &quot;fan service.&quot; Boy, you make a compelling arguement against Soul Calibur. Grow up.</div>

That commercial was great! One of the very best commercials I've ever seen for a videogame, and you want to know how I know. Because you remember it, and so does everyone who saw it.

Taki's boobs are enormous to the point of straining crediblity. I mean, how does she stand up straight, is what I want to know. And where's the special move utililzing those deadly pair. I'm sorry, but that art book has quite a few suggestive poses by the sc2 babes. I forget what her name is, but one of them looks like a little school girl and is bending over at the waist and giving the come hither look. Face it gamer, those japanese guys are horny little bastards, be they work for Tecmo or Namco. Schwingg!!

[ThaMaskedGamer]

They say a fool and his money will soon be parted, well its your money fool! I've gotta say, if you did that, you really need to be smacked in tha head, cause that is the dumbest thing I ever heard of! You bought this game 3 times so you can sit around the trailer and beat your wife in SC2 and brag about how good you are? Maybe if it was online you could get your money's worth.
What happened to DOA3 online, DOA3 was a launch game my friend, remember. Oh I guess not, cause when XBOX launched you were on your MS is EVIL and Bill Gates is the Devil schtick! The next DOA is supposed to be online, maybe you should get a refund on 2 of those SC2, buy XBOX Live and when DOA4 comes out we can go head to head, and I'll show you real fast how your Christie hand attack move won't work if you use it repetitively.
DOA3 beats this game in every facet, first SC was DC launch game, it has been almost 5 years, we now get SC2, and it is barely a port. DOA3 was a launch game, the time span from DOA2 to DOA3 was less than 2 years, yet DOA3 has way more useful features. All of the fighters in DOA3 had real fighting styles, and each was unique. In SC2, half the fighers are duplicates. Yoshimitsu and Mitsuguri are the same, Astorath has a double, Cassandra has a double. Inferno is just a combo of all the other fighters covered in flame. Necrid uses energy weapons of the other fighters. The environments, I have played the game through with 4 characters and have yet to see wind, ice, or sand maps. I'm sure they are there, but I haven't seen them. Even so, that still is not the same as multilevel, multiroom, interactive levels, where you can smash people through walls or poles.
The fighting, DOA3 is a better game because the fighters styles are natural and make sense, to a degree. I like the fantasy of SC2 but some of the moves look ridiculous, half of the moves are useless. The fighters are really unbalanced. Mitsurigu and Maxi are still ALL powerful, with Nightmare running a close third. The endings are so weak they should have just left them out. Again, there is no tag team, so there is basically no four player mode. Not a bad game, maybe 7.5 out of 10. A definite let-down, and this game is little more than a polished port.

[Darwin]

<div class=\"smallfont\"> Each character is fleshed out enough and has enough replay value as a stand-alone character to warrant me buying all three versions.</div>

I've bought more than one console version of a game. The Tony Hawk games to be exact. I own both the PS1 and Dreamcast versions of Tony Hawk 1. And for Tony Hawk 2 (one of my all-time fav games), I own it for the PS1, Dreamcast, and Gameboy Advance. And I actually bought the Dreamcast versions because ... they had better graphics ... and that was the start of my graphic whoreness. :-) So it was only natural that I later became an Xbot.

In regards to Tappy's comments about online gaming ... I hate to say this, but I think he's right (at least for certain genres). Not having the ability to play a game online is (IMO) really going to hurt the value of upcoming games. In particular, gaming genres that lend themselves well to multiplayer such as Fighting, Racing, and FPS games. I don't play fighters, but I can see how Tappy would get bored with SCII because it's offline. The AI can only offer so much depth to a game.

And take me, for example. Now that I've raced over 200 hours (approx) of online Moto GP 1 and 2, I go back to the single player AI and it bugs the hell out of me. I used to be fairly critical of AI in driving games, but now I'm getting to be overly critical. After seeing how much better it is racing against human opponents, I have little tolerance for the kind of crap that the AI pulls in single player racers.

If you've spent as much time online as Tappy has, you'll realize why his comments about online gaming are valid. Once you get used to the depth that human opponents offer, you'll have little patience for single player games. I don't blame Tappy for dismissing SC2 that quickly. He's seen what many of you have not: the absolute genious of Xbox Live and how it adds tremendous depth to GAMEPLAY. For years, gamers have basically used input from their hands as the only way to control the outcome of a game (and feet, if they use a driving wheel with pedals). Voice adds a whole new dimention to gameplay.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

Geezer, why this "high and mighty" attitude? What makes you think you're so frikkin special? SC1 looks better for DC than even SC2 for Xbox, that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

I don't play DOA3 anymore, but it would take a blind bastard not to be able to tell that DOA3 still remains unmatched in every way shape or form.

DOA online is gonna be awesome. Pitty you don't even play on live Geezer, you don't know what you're missing.

[slade]

Yeah, you guys enjoy playing DOA online which is nothing more then DOA1 and 2 with online strapped on. Then come back and complain about how the fighting engine hasn't changed.

[Gaming Geezer 78]

Geezer, why this "high and mighty" attitude? What makes you think you're so frikkin special? SC1 looks better for DC than even SC2 for Xbox, that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

I don't play DOA3 anymore, but it would take a blind bastard not to be able to tell that DOA3 still remains unmatched in every way shape or form.

DOA online is gonna be awesome. Pitty you don't even play on live Geezer, you don't know what you're missing.

Well, your opinion is that SC on Dreamcast looks better than SC2 for Xbox and you are entitled to it. But you know what they say about opinions...

Dead Or Alive 3 "remains unmatched in every way, shape & form?"
Dead Or Alive 3=86% on Gamerankings
Soul Calibur II=93.6% on Gamerankings
result=Tappy just got owned

[Gaming Geezer 78]

They say a fool and his money will soon be parted, well its your money fool! I've gotta say, if you did that, you really need to be smacked in tha head, cause that is the dumbest thing I ever heard of! You bought this game 3 times so you can sit around the trailer and beat your wife in SC2 and brag about how good you are? Maybe if it was online you could get your money's worth.
What happened to DOA3 online, DOA3 was a launch game my friend, remember. Oh I guess not, cause when XBOX launched you were on your MS is EVIL and Bill Gates is the Devil schtick! The next DOA is supposed to be online, maybe you should get a refund on 2 of those SC2, buy XBOX Live and when DOA4 comes out we can go head to head, and I'll show you real fast how your Christie hand attack move won't work if you use it repetitively.
DOA3 beats this game in every facet, first SC was DC launch game, it has been almost 5 years, we now get SC2, and it is barely a port. DOA3 was a launch game, the time span from DOA2 to DOA3 was less than 2 years, yet DOA3 has way more useful features. All of the fighters in DOA3 had real fighting styles, and each was unique. In SC2, half the fighers are duplicates. Yoshimitsu and Mitsuguri are the same, Astorath has a double, Cassandra has a double. Inferno is just a combo of all the other fighters covered in flame. Necrid uses energy weapons of the other fighters. The environments, I have played the game through with 4 characters and have yet to see wind, ice, or sand maps. I'm sure they are there, but I haven't seen them. Even so, that still is not the same as multilevel, multiroom, interactive levels, where you can smash people through walls or poles.
The fighting, DOA3 is a better game because the fighters styles are natural and make sense, to a degree. I like the fantasy of SC2 but some of the moves look ridiculous, half of the moves are useless. The fighters are really unbalanced. Mitsurigu and Maxi are still ALL powerful, with Nightmare running a close third. The endings are so weak they should have just left them out. Again, there is no tag team, so there is basically no four player mode. Not a bad game, maybe 7.5 out of 10. A definite let-down, and this game is little more than a polished port.

First things first ass-munchy, I don't live in a trailer. Old joke, no longer funny. :o
Second, I bought all three versions to play as all three exclusive characters. Each of which is more fleshed out and fun to play than the entire DOA3 cast!
Third, Wow! The next DOA is online! You mean a straight port of DOA1 from Saturn-crappy graphics and all-and a port of DOA2 with slightly glossier visuals? Gee-it takes a real ass-pony to buy ports of 6 & 3 year old games! But it's online! WOW!
You show just how ignorant and how little you have played Soul Calibur II by calling it "barely a port." First, your floating platform arenas are completely gone. The closest you will come to a "floating" arena is the Egyptian temple where the ground has crumbled around you. Other than that, every arena has drop-offs and walls where you can both knock your opponent out of the arena and smash them against the wall for more damage. But you don't know that...because you haven't played the game.
If you think Yoshimitsu and Mitsurugi are the same, you are a mongoloid. And if you think Mitsurugi and Maxi are all-powerful, I would love to hand you your ass with any one of the other characters.
The reason you don't know about all the other arenas is simple: Soul Calibur II doesn't hand you everything from the get-go. You have to earn extra arenas, fighters, weapons, options and a dozen game modes by playing through the Weapon Master mode.

I know, it's awful hard on people weened on simple-combo DOA3 moves to actually play well at a game and earn their items, etc. And you say SCII has useless moves? OK....

[slade]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Geezer, why this "high and mighty" attitude? What makes you think you're so frikkin special? SC1 looks better for DC than even SC2 for Xbox, that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. </div>

You know, for someone that has complained in the past about Resident Evil's prerendered backgrounds, you seem oddly fond of the original Soul Calibur's bitmap backgrounds.

["The Game"Evolution]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Yeah, you guys enjoy playing DOA online which is nothing more then DOA1 and 2 with online strapped on. Then come back and complain about how the fighting engine hasn't changed.</div>

Boo-hoo.Like SSBM isnt just SSB with a fresh coat of paint and a few new faces? Yep.But yet VF4:EVO is nothing but VF4:The director's cut with two new characters,a little extra coat of paint to refresh the canvas, and an additional selective mode including the extra original VF mode for just $20 bucks.Thats great if you're a sucker.But DOA3 is now 20 bucks too.

But at least the next DOA will have something that Tekken nor Guilty Gear X nor VF wont have anytime soon:Online play.Cant beat that fact Sladester.

So now we all know the truth behind your sarcasm.Jealousy.One day the PS2 or the GC will come up with at least one online fighting game.LOL! Yeah right.There is always PS3 and GC2 right? LOL! Keep hope alive Slade.Keep hope alive.This will be the Xbox's 2nd online fighter to the PS2's what? To the GC's what? Oh thats right neither console has an online fighter yet.CHECKMATE!!!

[Gaming Geezer 78]

Boo-hoo.Like SSBM isnt just SSB with a fresh coat of paint and a few new faces? Yep.But yet VF4:EVO is nothing but VF4:The director's cut with two new characters,a little extra coat of paint to refresh the canvas, and an additional selective mode including the extra original VF mode for just $20 bucks.Thats great if you're a sucker.But DOA3 is now 20 bucks too.

But at least the next DOA will have something that Tekken nor Guilty Gear X nor VF wont have anytime soon:Online play.Cant beat that fact Sladester.

So now we all know the truth behind your sarcasm.Jealousy.One day the PS2 or the GC will come up with at least one online fighting game.LOL! Yeah right.There is always PS3 and GC2 right? LOL! Keep hope alive Slade.Keep hope alive.This will be the Xbox's 2nd online fighter to the PS2's what? To the GC's what? Oh thats right neither console has an online fighter yet.CHECKMATE!!!

Wasn't it Folken who handed you your ass in Capcom Vs. SNK 2? And lets compare VF4 Evo to DOA3.

1. Both added new characters over their previous incarnation.
2. Both had improved graphics over their previous incarnation.
3. DOA3 was $50 new. VF4Evo was $20 new.
4. VF4Evo has the 10th anniversary mode-a whole seperate game.

And any way you slice it, DOA Online is nothing more than two old ports with a cheap online mode thrown in for good measure. For $50! Talk about milking gamers dry! Why not include an online add-on for DOA3 for that price? Or include a whole-new DOA3 that is online?

["The Game"Evolution]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Wasn't it Folken who handed you your ass in Capcom Vs. SNK 2? And lets compare VF4 Evo to DOA3.

1. Both added new characters over their previous incarnation.
2. Both had improved graphics over their previous incarnation.
3. DOA3 was $50 new. VF4Evo was $20 new.
4. VF4Evo has the 10th anniversary mode-a whole seperate game.

And any way you slice it, DOA Online is nothing more than two old ports with a cheap online mode thrown in for good measure. For $50! Talk about milking gamers dry! Why not include an online add-on for DOA3 for that price? Or include a whole-new DOA3 that is online?</div>

Yes Folken won our first battle on Xbox live.But I've requested a rematch since then. I'm still waiting for Folken to get a huge set of balls and accept my request.I'm not a coward like most of you.I'm not afraid to go against Mr.Florida.I dont give a fig how good he thinks he is.

And yes let us compare both games.

1.Yes both games has added new characters.Plus courtesy of the Xbox HDD new costumes were downloaded into the current saved game of Xbox owners as well.

2.Yes both games indeed looked better graphically than their predessors.

3.The original DOA3 was $50 bucks.The original VF4 was also $50 bucks too.The current DOA3 brand new is now a part of the Xbox platnum series which now has the game currently as $20 bucks.And the VF4 rehash known as VF4:EVO is now currently only $20 bucks.

4.Yes VF4:EVO does have the anniversay mode.DOA3 has single and tag modes.Both games indeed has replay value.

Any way you slice it 78 the DOA series is being taken to the next level:Online play.Guitly gear X,Tekken,and VF has yet to cross that threshold yet.The truth,the whole truth,and nothing but the truth.Nothing you can say can get past that tidbit.(Go ahead and try your best 78)

[slade]

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Boo-hoo.Like SSBM isnt just SSB with a fresh coat of paint and a few new faces? Yep.But yet VF4:EVO is nothing but VF4:The director's cut with two new characters,a little extra coat of paint to refresh the canvas, and an additional selective mode including the extra original VF mode for just $20 bucks.Thats great if you're a sucker.But DOA3 is now 20 bucks too.

But at least the next DOA will have something that Tekken nor Guilty Gear X nor VF wont have anytime soon:Online play.Cant beat that fact Sladester.

So now we all know the truth behind your sarcasm.Jealousy.One day the PS2 or the GC will come up with at least one online fighting game.LOL! Yeah right.There is always PS3 and GC2 right? LOL! Keep hope alive Slade.Keep hope alive.This will be the Xbox's 2nd online fighter to the PS2's what? To the GC's what? Oh thats right neither console has an online fighter yet.CHECKMATE!!!</div>

Back to your old ways so soon?

Anyways, read the previous posts and see why I said what I did. And for the record, DOA Online will suck and have worse lag then CvS2. You heard it here first folks. A bold prediction for a bold future. Why would I be jealous of a laggy game.

You on the other hand wish fervently that the Capcom five would make their way to the X-box.

[Darwin]

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And for the record, DOA Online will suck and have worse lag then CvS2. You heard it here first folks. A bold prediction for a bold future. Why would I be jealous of a laggy game.</div>

Hmmm, we shall see. Not that I care because I will not be buying fighting games, online or offline. However... if DOA is to be done properly online, it ABSOLUTELY must be lag free. Even the slightest bit of lag will ruin the game because the gameplay is based on split second reflexes.

And it is a real possibility. Wolfenstein and Unreal on Live both suffer from signficant lag during some games. It's not a consistent thing, but when you run into it, it's really Game Over. It's kinda funny and sad at the same time, but about half of the dedicated online Wolfenstein servers have significant lag... yes, DEDICATED server lag. ?? Finding a good server for Wolfenstien is sometimes blind luck.

[Gadfly2317]

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Boo-hoo.Like SSBM isnt just SSB with a fresh coat of paint and a few new faces? </div>

Actually, it isn't. You make yourself look foolish--have you even played the two games? I'm not even going to waste my time. . . if you want to know all the different modes of gameplay (including the side-scrolling adventure mode) that were added to SSBM(besides slick graphics and better control) go read a review--at least if you want to sound like you know what you're talking about.

[dafunkdoc]

<div class=\"smallfont\"> In SC2, half the fighers are duplicates. Yoshimitsu and Mitsuguri are the same, Astorath has a double, Cassandra has a double. Inferno is just a combo of all the other fighters covered in flame. Necrid uses energy weapons of the other fighters. The environments, I have played the game through with 4 characters and have yet to see wind, ice, or sand maps. I'm sure they are there, but I haven't seen them. Even so, that still is not the same as multilevel, multiroom, interactive levels, where you can smash people through walls or poles.</div>

You have played through the game 4 times, and you have come to all these conclusions? Well it seems as if you have not played the Weapon's master mode for one. Two, you say that half the characters are duplicated. Where you come up with that number? Outta your rear obviously. Really, play the game before you rip into it, and say stuff like the characters are unbalanced.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

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Hmmm, we shall see. Not that I care because I will not be buying fighting games, online or offline. However... if DOA is to be done properly online, it ABSOLUTELY must be lag free. Even the slightest bit of lag will ruin the game because the gameplay is based on split second reflexes.

And it is a real possibility. Wolfenstein and Unreal on Live both suffer from signficant lag during some games. It's not a consistent thing, but when you run into it, it's really Game Over. It's kinda funny and sad at the same time, but about half of the dedicated online Wolfenstein servers have significant lag... yes, DEDICATED server lag. ?? Finding a good server for Wolfenstien is sometimes blind luck.</div>

truth be told, you are right Darwin, there's TONS of lag in RTCW all over the frikkin place but, like you said, it's not EVERYWHERE.

See, what irritates me about some people is that they act like certain games are COMPLETELY lag free(PS2 fanboys LOVE to claim SOCOM is COMPLETELY lag free as if it is the smoothest thing ever).

The facts of things are simply this...if you are directly connected through a modem, you're faster, complaining about lag because of a console is useless...it's all about bandwidth. If you think ANY console online with a T3 would have lag you'd be wrong. Arguing about which console has less lag is dumb. Light travels 11 inches in a billionth of a second. Remember that.

[slade]

http://www.felixmcli.org/sc2-480i.html

PS2
http://www.felixmcli.org/sc2-ps2-c1.JPG

Gamecube
http://www.felixmcli.org/sc2-gc-c1.JPG

X-box
http://www.felixmcli.org/sc2-xb-c1.JPG

This is pretty indeterminate but some of the following screenshots aren't.

[slade]

The PS2 version in the following screenshots almost looks like it is set in a different level.

PS2
http://www.felixmcli.org/sc2-ps2-c6.JPG

Gamecube
http://www.felixmcli.org/sc2-gc-c6.JPG

X-box
http://www.felixmcli.org/sc2-xb-c5.JPG

[Gadfly2317]

You know those old puzzles "spot ten differences between the two pictures? Cool post. .. it was fun like that. The biggest difference was the building in the background. Ps2 version was an entirely different building missing all sorts of details and architecture. The Gamecube version was the same building as xbox, but shrouded in fog. Talk about N64 flashbacks. Xbox looked best, no doubt.

In a paused screen shot you can really see these things, but in actual high speed gameplay, do you all realy inspect the background with "the queer eye for the straight guy?" If so, you're overlooking what's important here. . .if you look closely at the foreground, the boobies in all three versions look equally great.

[Gadfly2317]

Those screenshots are fascinating. The xbox version definitely rules. If you look at it for awhile, you'll see the xbox version of the character dressed in red (forgive me for not knowing their names), you can actually see her belly button, one nipple, and the outline of her vulva (or camel-toe if you prefer the diction of the vulgarian American redneck.)

These details are clearly not available on the other two versions, and with gameplay being equal, this definitely renders the PS2 and GC versions inferior.

[Gaming Geezer 78]

You know those old puzzles "spot ten differences between the two pictures? Cool post. .. it was fun like that. The biggest difference was the building in the background. Ps2 version was an entirely different building missing all sorts of details and architecture. The Gamecube version was the same building as xbox, but shrouded in fog. Talk about N64 flashbacks. Xbox looked best, no doubt.

In a paused screen shot you can really see these things, but in actual high speed gameplay, do you all realy inspect the background with "the queer eye for the straight guy?" If so, you're overlooking what's important here. . .if you look closely at the foreground, the boobies in all three versions look equally great.


When you play the game, different objects in the background move at different speeds. IE...things further back pan around slower than things closer to the screen. If you look, the PS2 version is exactly the same! The difference is the larger building with more elaborate architecture is further to the right and mostly off-screen. It's just the way the camera was located during the PS2 screenshot. In the Xbox and Gamecube versions, the smaller building is obscured mostly by P2 Taki. Take a closer look and you will see what I am saying.

[Darwin]

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See, what irritates me about some people is that they act like certain games are COMPLETELY lag free(PS2 fanboys LOVE to claim SOCOM is COMPLETELY lag free as if it is the smoothest thing ever).

The facts of things are simply this...if you are directly connected through a modem, you're faster, complaining about lag because of a console is useless...it's all about bandwidth.</div>

True dat. Lag can happen to any online game, regardless of the platform ... even the almightly PC. However, there seems to be some games that are more "sensitive" to lag.

[Joah_from_Alberta]

You guys are retarded: vain vain vain! The differences are so minutae that if one is affected by this, one should never leave the house for fear of the extreme chaos of the great outdoors. Piddly cinics. We should be grateful that we all have this game to play no matter what system we're attached to, as opposed to acting like a bunch of kindergarden brats, my daddy is better than your daddy.

If you really want to dig deep into the bowels of this affair, I would say that the xbox version is the loser, for it has reached an evolutionary dead-end with its all powerful microsoft architecture. Having decapitated its video ally in a show of public disgrace, and constrained by the prodigious 8088 architecture: it is no more than a tangled monolith, tarnished into faded memory-- a corporate relic at best.

The G5 on the other hand kicks arse.

[Suicides-by-Steve]

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...even the almightly PC.</div>

Ah, yes... Darwin... evolves! :D Bad coding is generally to blame for ****ty online lag.

[slade]

<div class=\"smallfont\">When you play the game, different objects in the background move at different speeds. IE...things further back pan around slower than things closer to the screen. If you look, the PS2 version is exactly the same! The difference is the larger building with more elaborate architecture is further to the right and mostly off-screen. It's just the way the camera was located during the PS2 screenshot. In the Xbox and Gamecube versions, the smaller building is obscured mostly by P2 Taki. Take a closer look and you will see what I am saying.</div>

Shiat, you're right. I missed that completely.

["The Game"Evolution]

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Actually, it isn't. You make yourself look foolish--have you even played the two games? I'm not even going to waste my time. . . if you want to know all the different modes of gameplay (including the side-scrolling adventure mode) that were added to SSBM(besides slick graphics and better control) go read a review--at least if you want to sound like you know what you're talking about.</div>

Hell SC II is a cool game.But the truth is that this is basically SC I with alot of extra modes to choose from.And Namco took the weapons mode idea from Soul Edge and there you have it:SOUL CALIBUR 1.5.

I'm not dissing SC II by any means,but its quite clear that this game is pretty much the same game that weve played before.Same goes for SSBM.I'm not saying the game isnt good,its just not really anything new.

[Glockstar]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Those screenshots are fascinating. The xbox version definitely rules. If you look at it for awhile, you'll see the xbox version of the character dressed in red (forgive me for not knowing their names), you can actually see her belly button, one nipple, and the outline of her vulva (or camel-toe if you prefer the diction of the vulgarian American redneck.)

These details are clearly not available on the other two versions, and with gameplay being equal, this definitely renders the PS2 and GC versions inferior.</div>

You're a sick little monkey.

[Matthias]

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Taki's boobs are enormous to the point of straining crediblity. I mean, how does she stand up straight, is what I want to know.


Plus have you knoticed how they are overly jiggly. They might as well be to overfilled water balloons!..........plus why is he suit red.....nijas wear black!.......

But its still a great game.

[PapaSmurf]

Holy Thread Revival Batman

[Renzatic Gear]

Damn, and I thought GG and Mass were back. I kinda miss ole Flip-Flop and Bitter.

[Gadfly2317]

Those were the days.

[tekbit]

But isn't Gaming Geezer....? Oh nevermind, people change their names so much it's hard to keep track. (except for slade, no one has any trouble keeping an eye on him)

[Deathstroke]

Plus have you knoticed how they are overly jiggly. They might as well be to overfilled water balloons!..........plus why is he suit red.....nijas wear black!.......

But its still a great game.

She's not a ninja. She's a demon hunter.

This thread is waaaay old. It has been over a year if you check the date stamps.

[AOE Enforcer]

She's not a ninja. She's a demon hunter.

This thread is waaaay old. It has been over a year if you check the date stamps.

Yeah...this thread was started wwaaayyyy back when Soul Calibur II had just come out. But to add an interesting tid-bit, factoid, whatever-to the mix, check this out!

Soul Calibur II for Xbox supports 720 video resolution while Dead or Alive 3 only supports the basic 480. On my 51" Sony HDTV, Soul Calibur II kicks the living crap outta Dead or Alive 3 in graphic quality. SCII is virtually jaggie-free and automatically sets the television to the best viewing mode for the game. On the other hand, you have to tinker around with screen settings to get a suitable mode with DOA3 and at that-it's either deformed, clipped on the sides or part of the top & bottom of the screen are cut off. Not only that, but DOA3 is jaggalicious!

Hah! Haven't typed that one in a long time... :cool: