Rainbow Six 3 - Yet ANOTHER Dumbed-Down PS2 Title!

[Tappy_Tibbons]

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/494/494214p1.html
"Like the excellent job Ubisoft did on converting Splinter Cell from Xbox to PS2, the same studio has re-done, or re-imagined the Rainbow Six 3 levels. How are they redone? If you're familiar with the game, you'll notice right away the levels are more compressed; they're smaller, and the level of detail has changed. For instance, in the first mission when you have to enter a church, there are two doorways to use. The game's very essence is based on using your squad and you surprising enemies by blowing in through two doorways at once, getting the advantage of surprise, and in many of the levels, the two doorways have been sliced down to one. In this case, there is only one way in. But this example occurs multiple times throughout the title's 15 levels. Is that a bad thing? It's not great, but there are still multiple points in the game when two doors still give players that crucial gameplay feature."

Just an except.

Again I say, I pity the PS2 gamers.


MUAHAHAH

[mandark]

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/494/494214p1.html
"Like the excellent job Ubisoft did on converting Splinter Cell from Xbox to PS2, the same studio has re-done, or re-imagined the Rainbow Six 3 levels. How are they redone? If you're familiar with the game, you'll notice right away the levels are more compressed; they're smaller, and the level of detail has changed. For instance, in the first mission when you have to enter a church, there are two doorways to use. The game's very essence is based on using your squad and you surprising enemies by blowing in through two doorways at once, getting the advantage of surprise, and in many of the levels, the two doorways have been sliced down to one. In this case, there is only one way in. But this example occurs multiple times throughout the title's 15 levels. Is that a bad thing? It's not great, but there are still multiple points in the game when two doors still give players that crucial gameplay feature."

Just an except.

Again I say, I pity the PS2 gamers.


MUAHAHAH

You can keep your pitty tappy since everybody knows that FPS games was never the strong suit of the PS2. Now when any news comes along stating that the next MGS will be worse than the previous MGS, or GT4's will have worse physics and less cars than GT3, or the RPG games that are going to be released are going to be no more than 10 hours long, or the sports games to be released have the worst physics and gameplay than any other that was released, please let us know since any of these news will surely bring PS2 gamers down more than any news regarding some FPS game that has been available for the PC for more than 6 months.

[Deathstroke]

OMG NO, I WON'T BE ABLE TO PLAY TEH X-BOX GAEM. SHOOT ME NOW.

Oh well, back to Maximo which btw, won't ever be on X-box.

[Jupiter_x]

Uh! Tappy, Sorry bud, no offense...but I could care less!

Rainbow Six 3 is on my PC, and I even get to modify my weapons (something that the XBOX version does not have) and I can play it online (FOR FREE) and via LAN as well!
....oh yeah and the graphics in my version are better than the insipid Xbox version!
Oh well I guess I should get back to playing Final Fantasy for my PS2 and Unreal tourn. 2004 demo online for my PC!

LATER!

[Bob-the-Fish]

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/494/494214p1.html
"Like the excellent job Ubisoft did on converting Splinter Cell from Xbox to PS2, the same studio has re-done, or re-imagined the Rainbow Six 3 levels. How are they redone? If you're familiar with the game, you'll notice right away the levels are more compressed; they're smaller, and the level of detail has changed. For instance, in the first mission when you have to enter a church, there are two doorways to use. The game's very essence is based on using your squad and you surprising enemies by blowing in through two doorways at once, getting the advantage of surprise, and in many of the levels, the two doorways have been sliced down to one. In this case, there is only one way in. But this example occurs multiple times throughout the title's 15 levels. Is that a bad thing? It's not great, but there are still multiple points in the game when two doors still give players that crucial gameplay feature."

Just an except.

Again I say, I pity the PS2 gamers.


MUAHAHAH

Honestly, I wasn't all that impressed with the single player game of RS3. Online multiplayer is where it's at and presumably the PS2 version will have a comprable online mode. So I'd say no real loss to the strictly PS2 gamers out there.

[PapaSmurf]

I must agree with jupiter. R6 is wheres its been at for a while on my PC. I didn't know the XBOX versions didn't allow you to cuztomize your weapons. That just sucks...

[Daman_He_Hate_Me]

No surprise here, what do you expect its the PS2. On top of all that, look at the one picture they have where you can see the face of your teammate. It is completely different than the XBOX version, the guy looks corny as hell, this game looks nothing like the XBOX version.

It is 3 on 3, they say the XBOX can only do 4 on 4, wrong, XBOX can support more than 8 in TEAM SURVIVAL. But again, what did PS2 fans expect, and of course they will all say they don't care and considering they games they play and love they probably don't. I mean, Slade is talking about Maximo for cryin' out loud.

Bad thing is as watered down as the game is, it is still on 75% finished. It is funny how they don't care about FPS or RACERS until they get one. They don't care about racers, but they can't wait, well they have to wait, to get GT4, now all of a sudden they care about racers.

[Hieremias]

Interesting that Xbots say the PS2 has dumbed down a game that was already dumbed down from the PC version. :)

Though, I think this game is highly overrated, on any platform. I tried it on the PC. Wasn't impressed.

[mandark]

No surprise here, what do you expect its the PS2. On top of all that, look at the one picture they have where you can see the face of your teammate. It is completely different than the XBOX version, the guy looks corny as hell, this game looks nothing like the XBOX version.

It is 3 on 3, they say the XBOX can only do 4 on 4, wrong, XBOX can support more than 8 in TEAM SURVIVAL. But again, what did PS2 fans expect, and of course they will all say they don't care and considering they games they play and love they probably don't. I mean, Slade is talking about Maximo for cryin' out loud.

Bad thing is as watered down as the game is, it is still on 75% finished. It is funny how they don't care about FPS or RACERS until they get one. They don't care about racers, but they can't wait, well they have to wait, to get GT4, now all of a sudden they care about racers.

Who said anything about racers? The topic at hand was about a FPS game that nobody really cares about. And its true. Nobody cares about FPS for most of the PS2 gamers. X-bots has to care about FPS games since that is 1/3 of the X-box's specialty. PS2 gamers talk about Maximo, Fighters, RPG's, racers and a whole lot of other games because we have them to choose from the PS2 library.

[The Prince of Darkness]

Who said anything about racers? The topic at hand was about a FPS game that nobody really cares about. And its true. Nobody cares about FPS for most of the PS2 gamers. X-bots has to care about FPS games since that is 1/3 of the X-box's specialty. PS2 gamers talk about Maximo, Fighters, RPG's, racers and a whole lot of other games because we have them to choose from the PS2 library.

The topic at hand was about dumbed down ports that the PS2 gets after the Xbox, so why not bring up racers. Heck, he used Splinter Cell in the original post too---that is not an FPS.

[Tappy_Tibbons]

Exactly, POD, none of them can stay on topic because they are backed into a corner.

[The Prince of Darkness]

Exactly, POD, none of them can stay on topic because they are backed into a corner.

Yeah---I sure hope Star Ocean 3 wins RPG of the year. LOL.

[Deathstroke]

Ahem, you realize neither one of you two addressed any of the points made above.

[The Prince of Darkness]

Ahem, you realize neither one of you two addressed any of the points made above.

And now neither did you, but you are correct because two wrongs don't make a right. Here you go---I will have to agree with the original post. One of the things that the Xbox has going for it which can hardly be disputed is that it is the place for the best versions of multiplat titles.

[Deathstroke]

I'll counter that with the fact that 70 percent of these titles still come to PS2 first.

[The Prince of Darkness]

I'll counter that with the fact that 70 percent of these titles still come to PS2 first.

Maybe not quite that high, but I can't really dispute that. I will say this, though. I have never thought that getting a title first was worthy of bragging rights, but getting the best version is.

[Deathstroke]

Maybe not quite that high, but I can't really dispute that. I will say this, though. I have never thought that getting a title first was worthy of bragging rights, but getting the best version is.

Even if it comes six months to a year later? I don't know if I could stand a time disparity like that even if the title is improved and in most cases, only the graphics are really touched up or online play is added which I don't think makes the title all that much better anyway.

[The Prince of Darkness]

Even if it comes six months to a year later? I don't know if I could stand a time disparity like that even if the title is improved and in most cases, only the graphics are really touched up or online play is added which I don't think makes the title all that much better anyway.

It really just depends on how long the wait, which title we are talking about, and how important graphics and on-line gaming are to you. I mean it really varies by circumstance. For instance---take a game like Vice City. I never could have beared that wait because it was really important to me to have that game the day it came out. On the other hand---take a game like Tenchu---that game was never really on my radar, so why not wait and get the extra goodies.

[Daman_He_Hate_Me]

The idea that XBOX only has FPS is more PS2 fangirl spew and nonsense to overlook the fact the XBOX has the best FPS and RACERS and 3rd person action games and rpgs.

FPS I have on XBOX, HALO and RAINBOW6. And I put Rainbow6 into a whole different category maybe a subgenre of FPS, military shooters. Aside from that I don't own any other FPS on XBOX. I rented Timesplitters2 that was crap, I just bought CounterStrike that was garbage on XBX returned it, rented RedFaction garbage, Agent Under Fire also a rental, never even played Unreal on the XBOX tournament or the new one.

BruteForce 3rd person
Rainbow6
KOTOR 3rd person
Crimson Skies, Flight game
Metal Arms, 3rd person
MGP2 , racer
PGR2, racer
MidtownMadness, racer

These are all the games I've BOUGHT recently, only 1 FPS.

Just because XBOX does FPS well, that ain't all it does. I'd say it is even better at 3rd person action games, ie Ninja Gaiden, Splinter Cell. But whatever, PS2 guys are jealous of the XBOX power, PC guys are jealous cause we get their games sometimes before they do and we get ours, GC guys are just lost in a dreamworld. Hey you know what they say about us XBOX guys, "girls love us, guys wanna be us!"

Keep hatin'

[Darwin]

What's the online play for RS3 like for PS2? Does it do all the modes that the Xbox version has for Live? Max number of players? Headset communication online and/or offline?

[Daman_He_Hate_Me]

And now neither did you, but you are correct because two wrongs don't make a right. Here you go---I will have to agree with the original post. One of the things that the Xbox has going for it which can hardly be disputed is that it is the place for the best versions of multiplat titles.

I think the value of multiplatforms are diminishing, you guys may think differently, I know a lot of you guys like EA and other multiplatform publishers' games. But I haven't played many good multiplatform games at all. The only one's were Splinter Cell, which wasn't even multiplatform by the time I finished it, and now i'm playing Metal Arms Glitch which is a very good multiplatform game. I think I can speak for a lot of XBOX owners, not all, but definitely the one's one LIVE, we don't own an XBOX for the multiplatform games, you own the XBOX for the exclusive games or the PC games. I don't consider PC games multiplatform, and neither do gamesites, NPD, or the industry, hell even stores like EB are eliminating or reducing shelf space for PC games. So the games XBOX and the PC share are not multiplatform games to the console industry. Also, XBOX is the only console that does PC games well, so if you are really big into PC games, but don't want a PC, it is not like you can reasonably choose a PS2 or GC. If you are a console oriented gamer who loves PC gaming franchises, then your ONLY real choice is XBOX.

The deal here is you guys always try and pin the XBOX into a corner and say, this is the reason why people play XBOX, or this is what XBOX does good. Its all very simple, the XBOX is the only console that can play PC franchises with a great deal of quality, play multiplatform games in the best quality, AND PLAY ORIGINAL XBOX FRANCHISES, and offer a SECURE ONLINE ENVIRONMENT, and appeal to the digital consumer with support for HDTV and DD5.1. That is a hell of a package, and only XBOX can do it. PC can't do it cause it loses a whole hell of a lot of console franchises, GC can't do it cause its not fully digital doesn't get 75% of the franchises and can't go online, PS2 can't do it cause it can't acceptly play PC games and is also not digital, and none of them get XBOX franchises.

[T.Tashi]

Xbots talk more about PS2 than the PS2 fanboys. Just look at the start of this thread.

And this one:

http://forums.videogamereview.com/showthread.php?t=2050

And this one:

http://forums.videogamereview.com/showthread.php?t=2043

And This one:

http://forums.videogamereview.com/showthread.php?t=1947


So, who's hatin' exactly?:rolleyes:

[Deathstroke]

It really just depends on how long the wait, which title we are talking about, and how important graphics and on-line gaming are to you. I mean it really varies by circumstance. For instance---take a game like Vice City. I never could have beared that wait because it was really important to me to have that game the day it came out. On the other hand---take a game like Tenchu---that game was never really on my radar, so why not wait and get the extra goodies.

Yeah, I guess it would depend from person to person. On the other hand, I think it just makes the PS2 look like a more attractive deal in the long run.

[folken001]

Xbots can only heal their own wounds through hating on other consoles.

Xbox gets dumbed down PC ports, but Xbots go laugh at PS2 for getting dumbbed down Xbox ports. Am I missing something here?

[Bob-the-Fish]

Xbox gets dumbed down PC ports, but Xbots go laugh at PS2 for getting dumbbed down Xbox ports. Am I missing something here?

Yeah, you forgot that the Xbox and PC should not be compared because the PC is not a console ;)

[Bob-the-Fish]

So the games XBOX and the PC share are not multiplatform games to the console industry. Also, XBOX is the only console that does PC games well, so if you are really big into PC games, but don't want a PC, it is not like you can reasonably choose a PS2 or GC. If you are a console oriented gamer who loves PC gaming franchises, then your ONLY real choice is XBOX.

I agree with that. I like some of the games that come out on PC and I want to play them. Since I don't have the couple o grand it takes to get a top-notch PC set up, I have to accept the lower quality console ports and Xbox is the best place to get them. But I will never declare that since the game is on Xbox, it's not a port and there is not a superior version available on another gaming system. If I didn't own an Xbox I could still play those games, hence they are multiplat.

The deal here is you guys always try and pin the XBOX into a corner and say, this is the reason why people play XBOX, or this is what XBOX does good.

People always do that because it is easy and true for the most part. Xbox is a system that for two years had maybe one or three actually stellar titles. Then there were a couple decent games and a lot of crappy ones. Most of these titles were FPS games and racers designed to appeal to male gamers between the ages of 13 and 28. They had virtually no games that were considered good RPGs, story driven adventure games or platformers. They also didn't have many games that did anything new very well. The past year, the big black box has started to finally build a decent game library, but think about it: if Halo is still the best game on Xbox, that doesn't say much for the worth of it's library. Nothing against Halo here, I think the multiplayer link capabilties are amazing, but it still shows a lack of a library.

Its all very simple, the XBOX is the only console that can play PC franchises with a great deal of quality, play multiplatform games in the best quality, AND PLAY ORIGINAL XBOX FRANCHISES, and offer a SECURE ONLINE ENVIRONMENT, and appeal to the digital consumer with support for HDTV and DD5.1. That is a hell of a package

True.

only XBOX can do it. PC can't do it cause it loses a whole hell of a lot of console franchises, GC can't do it cause its not fully digital doesn't get 75% of the franchises and can't go online, PS2 can't do it cause it can't acceptly play PC games and is also not digital, and none of them get XBOX franchises.

But here is where you lost me, especially with the franchise barb. Exactly how many of the GC's franchises appear on the Xbox? And PS2's? See it's the same for all of them. And as for multiplat games, EA is the king and the best versions of their games come out on the PS2 not the Xbox which I know you failed to mention because you dislike EA; but in the real world a hell of a lot more people care about EA then HDTV. Ubisoft is making a name for themselves, but I think PoP proved they don't quite have the sellingpower yet.
The PS2 still has the best variety of games to choose from and the GC is still king of innovative franchises. Xbox is starting to catch up in those departments but it's still aways behind.

[folken001]

I agree with that. I like some of the games that come out on PC and I want to play them. Since I don't have the couple o grand it takes to get a top-notch PC set up, I have to accept the lower quality console ports and Xbox is the best place to get them.

But you will have to dish out a couple o grands on a good HDTV anyway. If you don't want to do that, then you might as well just play these games with your outdated computer. It'll work, just a bit laggy and lower framerate.

[folken001]

Yeah, you forgot that the Xbox and PC should not be compared because the PC is not a console ;)
Oh, I didn't forget that. But, I remember that Xbox is a PC. :)

[Powaron]

why is it called rainbow six 3? why isnt it called rainbow 9??? it makes sense doesnt it???

[Bob-the-Fish]

why is it called rainbow six 3? why isnt it called rainbow 9??? it makes sense doesnt it???

No because it is the "third" installment of the original game, which is based on the Tom Clancy novel Rainbow Six about a group of international counter terrorists. Now FFX-2 is a whole nother story. Supposedly their making a sequal to XIII and who knows what will happen with that.

[folken001]

No because it is the "third" installment of the original game, which is based on the Tom Clancy novel Rainbow Six about a group of international counter terrorists. Now FFX-2 is a whole nother story. Supposedly their making a sequal to XIII and who knows what will happen with that.
There is a ffxiii?

I know Square is making FFXII and FF:Advent Children, but I haven't heard anything else....

[Bob-the-Fish]

There is a ffxiii?

I know Square is making FFXII and FF:Advent Children, but I haven't heard anything else....

I'm sure it'll show up eventually...

I was refering to the game XIII the cell shaded FPS from a few months ago that nobody bought.

[Daman_He_Hate_Me]

I agree with that. I like some of the games that come out on PC and I want to play them. Since I don't have the couple o grand it takes to get a top-notch PC set up, I have to accept the lower quality console ports and Xbox is the best place to get them. But I will never declare that since the game is on Xbox, it's not a port and there is not a superior version available on another gaming system. If I didn't own an Xbox I could still play those games, hence they are multiplat.



People always do that because it is easy and true for the most part. Xbox is a system that for two years had maybe one or three actually stellar titles. Then there were a couple decent games and a lot of crappy ones. Most of these titles were FPS games and racers designed to appeal to male gamers between the ages of 13 and 28. They had virtually no games that were considered good RPGs, story driven adventure games or platformers. They also didn't have many games that did anything new very well. The past year, the big black box has started to finally build a decent game library, but think about it: if Halo is still the best game on Xbox, that doesn't say much for the worth of it's library. Nothing against Halo here, I think the multiplayer link capabilties are amazing, but it still shows a lack of a library.



True.



But here is where you lost me, especially with the franchise barb. Exactly how many of the GC's franchises appear on the Xbox? And PS2's? See it's the same for all of them. And as for multiplat games, EA is the king and the best versions of their games come out on the PS2 not the Xbox which I know you failed to mention because you dislike EA; but in the real world a hell of a lot more people care about EA then HDTV. Ubisoft is making a name for themselves, but I think PoP proved they don't quite have the sellingpower yet.
The PS2 still has the best variety of games to choose from and the GC is still king of innovative franchises. Xbox is starting to catch up in those departments but it's still aways behind.

To your first note, you said there is always a superior version available on the PC. I don't agree with this at all, there is no way to accurately judge which version is better of a game, PC or console. For example, I have Rainbow6. Now I have two PC, one laptop with a Pentium4m and ATI videocard, 512MB ram, 30G HD, I have a desk-top PC I built with the same videocard, but an Athlon processor. I can run any PC game I choose to, but thus far the only game I've played on them was Freedom Force and NeverWinterNights. My favorite game on XBOX just may be Rainbow6, I could have gotten this on PC long before the XBOX. And on top of that, the expansion pack is coming out March 9th, it probably won't appear on LIVE for 6 months. But I would rather play this FPS on XBOX than PC. Let me mention also, that I played the original rainbow6 on the PC, and I've played every big name FPS from the original wolfenstein to Shogo MAD to Half-life, up until I got an XBOX. But for me and I think a lot of people, playing FPS on XBOX is more fun than on a PC. The controller is BETTER than a kybd/mouse, period, it simulates the feel of the game better, and no PC controller can compare with the XBOX controller. Next is the resolution is very close to a PC, and the screen is a lot bigger and cooler on a HDTV, and then the sound. The biggest draw though is LIVE, yes i've played games over the net on the PC, I was one of the first few thousand individuals playing Diablo when it first came out, I use to play Command&Conquer and the first Age of Empires online, I use to set up racing leagues through BBS services before the internet became mainstream. I've seen everything PC online gaming has to offer, from the InternetGamingZone that MS eventually bought out, to Gamespy, and it is all peanuts compared to LIVE. So, when you say a superior version always exists on the PC, I have to say you are just thinking in terms of resolution, fps, and in some cases graphics, but take it from an old school PC gamer who switched, and who still has the option, XBOX is better for me. I have the option and if PC gaming was better I'd be gaming on the PC.

Also, you mentioned XBOX had no franchises for a while outside of action and racing. Let me ask you, if you take away the Japanese rpgs, what exactly did PS2 have? Of course the XBOX didn't have any of those games, it takes the longest to develop rpg franchises, xbox was a new project, not just a new console. PS2 had japanese rpg FRANCHISES. But if you don't like those franchises, you would agree it makes the PS2 not attractive at all. Then you say the GC has innovative franchises, you mean like Mario Brothers, Mario Kart, Star Wars Rogue Squadron, Luigi's Mansion? Or do you mean, SuperMonkey Balls and Pikmin? Of all those games, this grown mature man who likes action, racing and violence would only be able to play one of those games, Rogue Squadron, and that one game is by no means a world beater.

I don't think the XBOX is for everyone, just like PS2 and GC, and PC aren't for everyone, but for me, the XBOX is just a perfect, exact fit. I really love this product. It does everything I want it to do. I have a Sony ES combination 5 disc DVD/CD/SACD player/receiver. It pushes 120watts across 7.1 channels, is ES rated(sony's highest audio rating), has component switching(multiple hdtv support). This unit, allowed me to throw out my big AV rack, old dvd player, old cd player, old receiver. So now, on a glass pedestal this sleek, smooth, cool arse silver single unit, sits next to my HDTV. This is what I like, products that are innovative, convenient, multifunctional. XBOX is just the best gaming console, ever, in my opinion, it does everything really well. And looking forward at what MS will be taking out of the NextXBOX, goes to show how ahead of its time XBOX really is. Sure, it has had some growing pains. It is a new product, with new franchises that have to permeate into the hearts of gamers, that don't happen overnight. But looking at this year, I think most will agree, the power of the XBOX is about to hit 6th gear.