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Rogue Bounty Hunter

02-21-2004, 03:51 PM

Gadfly2317

02-21-2004, 04:11 PM

PS2/Xbox/Gamecube

James Bond 007: Everything or Nothing - 8.5 (2nd opinion 8.75)
NFL Street - 7.75 (2nd.....8.5)
Worms 3D - 8 (2nd....7)

PS2/Xbox

MX Unleashed - 8 (2nd....8.5)

PS2

Rise to Honor - 7 (2nd....6.5)
Drakengard - 7.5 (2nd...6)
Lifeline - 8.75 (2nd...8.75)
Mafia - 7.75 (2nd....7)
Onimusha Blade Warriors - 8 (2nd...7.5)
Nightshade - 6.6 (2nd...6)
Ghost Recon: Jungle Storm - 7.5 (2nd...8)
Wrath Unleashed -6
Sonic Heroes - 7.75
Romance of the Three Kingdoms IX - 7
Firefighter F.D. 18 - 5
Cy Girls - 4
R-Type Final -6.75

Gamecube

Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes -9.25 (Game of the Month) (2nd....9.5)
Pokemon Colosseum - 7 (2nd...6.75)

Wasn't there anything for Xbox reviewed?

I wonder how well GOTM MGS: Twin Snakes will sell. Too bad there's not a gambling forum here. I can't wait for pimple-brain to show up and call this Game of the Month "same old game with a new coat of paint. . . nothing different but them cut scenes have better graphics."

Twin Snakes, best game of the series completely redone with graphics that surpass the PS2 Metal Gear, redisigned levels, and all the weapons and moves of the PS2 sequel. I'd rather play a completely amped and reworked classic than a sequel with a crappy story.

The difference between Twin Snakes and the Ps1 version is VAST. Yet our local talking pimple buys games for his PS2 like Tenchu and GTA, and then gets excited and buys them all over again for his xbox 8 months later for a couple gimmicky features and a slightly better framerate. Does anyone find the double standard that some have displayed toward Twin Snakes to be irrational?

Rogue Bounty Hunter

02-21-2004, 04:23 PM

folken001

02-21-2004, 07:07 PM

I am unsure about Twin Snake. The idea of having a remake of classic is exciting, but I really think many things are overdramatized, after watching the trailer. LIke the part when Snake fights Liquid, Snake sees the missle coming, he back flips. On the way down, he LANDS on the missle and uses it to jump even higher and shoots the rocket. Yep, he does it with a rocket launcher on his shoulder the entire time. Or the Part, Snake meets Mayrle or however you spell her name is pretty bogus too. Snake is held at gunpoint, then he takes her gun, the she takes it right back. Snake then pulls out his gun too. Somebody might find these schemes awesome, but I am quite disappointed by them.

Glockstar

02-21-2004, 09:15 PM

All of the Xbox games were multiplatform this issue. Next month will definitely pick up though :D

Yeah... starting with this issue, GI's got a new way of sectioning off their reviews, but they, uh, slighted the XBox a tad this month, didn't they?

They put Sonic Heroes in the PS2 Quickes section, and totally neglected the fact it's also available for the XBox.

They did the same thing last month with Baldurs Gate: Dark Alliance II.

I've never played a Tenchu game before, but I gotta admit the XBox Live co-op mode sounds a little intriguing and fun. The only thing is, the great year that is 2004 for the XBox kicks into full-on in just a couple of days, which is also the beginning of a crazy-mad-rush of killer apps! From Feb. 23 to March 23:
- Next week = Steel Battalion and Steel Battalion Line of Contact* ('m there!)
- the following week = Colin McRae Rally '04* ($19.99) and Dead Man's Hand* http://www.dmhgame.com/
- Then a little game called Ninja Gaiden*
- Then Mafia and Tenchu*
- March 16 = Breakdown
- March 23 = Fight Night 2004, Splinter Cell: PT*, and Trivial Pursuit Unhinged*

None of which are coming to the GameCube! Heh heh.

But wait, there's more...
According to GameStop theres's also: Carve*, Scooby Doo, Judge Dredd, MTX Mototrax*, The Suffering, All-Star Baseball 2005*, Carmen Sandiego, MVP Baseball, Samurai Jack, ESPN Major League Baseball*, Worms 3D, and Yu-Gi-Oh!: Dawn of Destiny. Whew!

That's 23 games in 28 days!
(11 of which are XBox Live Enabled... and also, quite coincidentally, that's the same number of total GC games coming out over the same period. :eek: )

Anyways, as you can see, Tenchu might get squished out. I'm kind of leaning more towards getting the two games immediately surrounding it, myself.

Of those 23, I know 4 that are, for sure, for me: The two SB games, NG, and SC:PT.

After those, I'm looking at CMR'04 and TPU. And maybe, just maybe, one of those on-line baseball games.

(Hmmm... "word of mouth" will probably be the deciding factor on 3 games (CMR, DMH, and baseball), while I'm looking to "reviews" for just one (Trivial Pursuit) - 'course, nothing's set in stone.)

And oh, one more thing... Killer 7 (for the GC - and possibly for the PS2) looks STOO-PID!

Gadfly2317

02-22-2004, 04:42 AM

Yeah... starting with this issue, GI's got a new way of sectioning off their reviews, but they, uh, slighted the XBox a tad this month, didn't they?

They put Sonic Heroes in the PS2 Quickes section, and totally neglected the fact it's also available for the XBox.

They did the same thing last month with Baldurs Gate: Dark Alliance II.

I've never played a Tenchu game before, but I gotta admit the XBox Live co-op mode sounds a little intriguing and fun. The only thing is, the great year that is 2004 for the XBox kicks into full-on in just a couple of days, which is also the beginning of a crazy-mad-rush of killer apps! From Feb. 23 to March 23:
- Next week = Steel Battalion and Steel Battalion Line of Contact* ('m there!)
- the following week = Colin McRae Rally '04* ($19.99) and Dead Man's Hand* http://www.dmhgame.com/
- Then a little game called Ninja Gaiden*
- Then Mafia and Tenchu*
- March 16 = Breakdown
- March 23 = Fight Night 2004, Splinter Cell: PT*, and Trivial Pursuit Unhinged*

None of which are coming to the GameCube! Heh heh.

But wait, there's more...
According to GameStop theres's also: Carve*, Scooby Doo, Judge Dredd, MTX Mototrax*, The Suffering, All-Star Baseball 2005*, Carmen Sandiego, MVP Baseball, Samurai Jack, ESPN Major League Baseball*, Worms 3D, and Yu-Gi-Oh!: Dawn of Destiny. Whew!

That's 23 games in 28 days!
(11 of which are XBox Live Enabled... and also, quite coincidentally, that's the same number of total GC games coming out over the same period. :eek: )

Anyways, as you can see, Tenchu might get squished out. I'm kind of leaning more towards getting the two games immediately surrounding it, myself.

Of those 23, I know 4 that are, for sure, for me: The two SB games, NG, and SC:PT.

After those, I'm looking at CMR'04 and TPU. And maybe, just maybe, one of those on-line baseball games.

(Hmmm... "word of mouth" will probably be the deciding factor on 3 games (CMR, DMH, and baseball), while I'm looking to "reviews" for just one (Trivial Pursuit) - 'course, nothing's set in stone.)

And oh, one more thing... Killer 7 (for the GC - and possibly for the PS2) looks STOO-PID!

Most of those games look pretty uninspiring. NG of course looks sweet, but it also looks like a hack and slash. I'm having trouble seeing what's the big deal; guess I'll have to play it just to find out.

Was Splinter Cell cancelled for GC? I don't recall hearing about that. If you're just referring to it releasing later on GC and PS2, then why did you only single out the GC? Do I detect dishonest and biased reporting here?

You have never played Tenchu? If you like stealth games you should try it. And you have Live right? That's probably going to add a lot to this game. The person I was razzing for buying this again on xbox after just buying on PS2 doesn't have Live, so it seems silly for them to be excited about features they will never use.

All those games you listed. . . I just don't see how you can describe it as a barrage of killer apps. It seemed just like any other month of any other year in gaming. . . a barrage of crap with a few gems in there.

One game I hadn't heard much about but played on the February xbox demo disk was "The Suffering." In some ways, it seemed to be pretty typical survival horror fare, and the graphics were really average, but I found it to be a really intriguing game and concept, with some good grim humor in the one level that was there. The story left me curious to know more, and the setting was creepier than all get out (escaping from deathrow haunted by the executed). If you like horror games at all, you might want to see if this one suits your tastes.

If you don't mind sharing. . . what about Killer 7 looked stupid? I have seen hardly anything about this game yet aside from story and screenshots. I've had high hopes for it because I like the concept, and the art style, but I have no idea at all about the game play, so I've also been concerned all that style and concept would be ruined by a crap game. Did you learn more about the gameplay, or are you saying it "looked" stupid, i.e. the screenshots? Any info you have on this game, I'd love to hear it, good or bad. Thanks

"The Game"Evolution

02-22-2004, 06:06 AM

Wasn't there anything for Xbox reviewed?

I wonder how well GOTM MGS: Twin Snakes will sell. Too bad there's not a gambling forum here. I can't wait for pimple-brain to show up and call this Game of the Month "same old game with a new coat of paint. . . nothing different but them cut scenes have better graphics."

Twin Snakes, best game of the series completely redone with graphics that surpass the PS2 Metal Gear, redisigned levels, and all the weapons and moves of the PS2 sequel. I'd rather play a completely amped and reworked classic than a sequel with a crappy story.

The difference between Twin Snakes and the Ps1 version is VAST. Yet our local talking pimple buys games for his PS2 like Tenchu and GTA, and then gets excited and buys them all over again for his xbox 8 months later for a couple gimmicky features and a slightly better framerate. Does anyone find the double standard that some have displayed toward Twin Snakes to be irrational?

I never said that MGS:TS wouldnt be a good game.Not at all.I simply said what the game really was.And thats the original PS1 game with a makeover.The truth is the truth.But lets face it about 90% of any game that was on the PS2 thats come to the Xbox has been made ten times better than its original.Hell when Nintendo tried to make the DC port of Sonic Adventure work on the GC what happened? It turned out to be one of the crappiest ports ever.But in this case the old PS1 game revamped for the GC came out beautifully.

Konami took an old Playstation game and made it better on the Gamecube.Nothing wrong with that.Kudos to this game getting GI's GOTM.(Its a good thing Ninja Gaiden has already been reviewed.)

Now compare that to the changes that was made for the PS2 ports for the Xbox.Especially two in particular: the GTA Bundle pack and the upcoming Tenchu III.You're comparing MGS:TS's cosmetic makeover to Tenchu III's: multiplayer modes,extra levels,beefed up graphics,and extra kills, and online play.Thats a huge difference.

And GTA's improved graphics,sound,lighting,and adding in the custom soundtrack feature for both GTA's.That my dear Gadfly are bigger improvements than a cosmetic makeover,added musical scores,and voice make overs for an old 32-bit PSX game revamped for a 128-bit.But naturally you dont think so.

Btw,love the local pimple joke.LOL! Dont hate because I tell the truth.

Gadfly2317

02-22-2004, 08:38 AM

I never said that MGS:TS wouldnt be a good game.Not at all.I simply said what the game really was.And thats the original PS1 game with a makeover.The truth is the truth.But lets face it about 90% of any game that was on the PS2 thats come to the Xbox has been made ten times better than its original.Hell when Nintendo tried to make the DC port of Sonic Adventure work on the GC what happened? It turned out to be one of the crappiest ports ever.But in this case the old PS1 game revamped for the GC came out beautifully.

Konami took an old Playstation game and made it better on the Gamecube.Nothing wrong with that.Kudos to this game getting GI's GOTM.(Its a good thing Ninja Gaiden has already been reviewed.)

Now compare that to the changes that was made for the PS2 ports for the Xbox.Especially two in particular: the GTA Bundle pack and the upcoming Tenchu III.You're comparing MGS:TS's cosmetic makeover to Tenchu III's: multiplayer modes,extra levels,beefed up graphics,and extra kills, and online play.Thats a huge difference.

And GTA's improved graphics,sound,lighting,and adding in the custom soundtrack feature for both GTA's.That my dear Gadfly are bigger improvements than a cosmetic makeover,added musical scores,and voice make overs for an old 32-bit PSX game revamped for a 128-bit.But naturally you dont think so.

Btw,love the local pimple joke.LOL! Dont hate because I tell the truth.

You so obviously don't know what you're talking about that you are not even worth talking to. You think GTA's slightly improved graphics and lighting on the xbox are a big advance, but that what's being done with Twin Snakes is merely a cosmetic touch-up. :rolleyes: EVERYONE on this website with a brain bigger than a walnut is laughing at your ignorance right now.

Go actually read about this project. IGN has a good overview, but so does every website at this point. You gave away that you know NOTHING ABOUT THE TOPIC when you said it was nice that Konami was giving this game a make-over. SILICON KNIGHTS is doing this project, and have collaborated with the likes of Shigeru Miyamoto on aspects of what they are doing. This is not cosmetic. This is not just better graphics. They are incorporating ever weapon, combat and control feature from the PS2 game including the ability to dangle off balconies, they've redone all the cutscenes, and they've lovingly recreated the best story from the Metal Gear series.

At least read about a game before you post about it. You have no credibility at systems wars in ANYONE'S eyes. Come on folks, stand up and give a shout out if you find Evolution to be someone who knows what he's talking about in his posts.

"The Game"Evolution

02-22-2004, 12:36 PM

You so obviously don't know what you're talking about that you are not even worth talking to. You think GTA's slightly improved graphics and lighting on the xbox are a big advance, but that what's being done with Twin Snakes is merely a cosmetic touch-up. :rolleyes: EVERYONE on this website with a brain bigger than a walnut is laughing at your ignorance right now.Your words.

Go actually read about this project. IGN has a good overview, but so does every website at this point. You gave away that you know NOTHING ABOUT THE TOPIC when you said it was nice that Konami was giving this game a make-over. SILICON KNIGHTS is doing this project, and have collaborated with the likes of Shigeru Miyamoto on aspects of what they are doing. This is not cosmetic. This is not just better graphics. They are incorporating ever weapon, combat and control feature from the PS2 game including the ability to dangle off balconies, they've redone all the cutscenes, and they've lovingly recreated the best story from the Metal Gear series.

At least read about a game before you post about it. You have no credibility at systems wars in ANYONE'S eyes. Come on folks, stand up and give a shout out if you find Evolution to be someone who knows what he's talking about in his posts.

Correction Gadfly.GTA Bundle pack had improved graphics,sound,lighting,less load times,and supported the custom soundtrack feature for the Xbox.Thats a huge boost to me.This version literally kills the original PS2 version in every way.Thats a good thing.So you're saying that MGS:TS isnt the original MGS game underneath those extras? Is that what you're saying?

Well sorry to bust your bubble but it is that same game.This game was originally done by Konami was it not? Yes.So who did the guys that developed this game had to go to in order for the game to have been made? Konami.Thank you very much.Everything else I had to say about the game is indeed the truth.

I cant help it if you dont like hearing the truth.I'm not saying the game sucks.But lets face it MGS:TS is nothing more than a house thats been rennovated to look alot better.Overall for those thats never played the original PSX game they'll find this to be one hell of an experience.Overall this is indeed a Good game though.But nothing new to the gamers thats beaten it before back in the 32-bit days.

Dont hate the player Gadfly,hate the game.

Bob-the-Fish

02-22-2004, 01:20 PM

Dont hate the player Gadfly,hate the game.

Seems like you have enough "hate for the game" for all of us...

Gadfly is right. MGS: TS is not just a fresh coat of paint. He managed to point out several reasons why this is true. You, on the other hand, have simply claimed to know "the truth" and feel sorry for everyone who "doesn't like hearing it." For someone who hasn't played TS, you sure seem to know a lot about it. Or could your statements be based on screenshots perhapse? It sure must not be based on reviews or articles...

Correction Gadfly.GTA Bundle pack had improved graphics,sound,lighting,less load times,and supported the custom soundtrack feature for the Xbox.Thats a huge boost to me.This version literally kills the original PS2 version in every way.

Now that is nothing but a fresh coat of paint. The only added gameplay feature of any kind is custom soundtracks. All the rest is "paint." It is probably impossible to get you to realize the difference but it was worth a try.

PapaSmurf

02-22-2004, 02:16 PM

I don't get the big deal about this Tenchu multiplayer except that it is online. Tenchu 3 on PS2 had a co-op mode.... I don't see what the big deal here is.

"The Game"Evolution

02-22-2004, 02:31 PM

Seems like you have enough "hate for the game" for all of us...

Gadfly is right. MGS: TS is not just a fresh coat of paint. He managed to point out several reasons why this is true. You, on the other hand, have simply claimed to know "the truth" and feel sorry for everyone who "doesn't like hearing it." For someone who hasn't played TS, you sure seem to know a lot about it. Or could your statements be based on screenshots perhapse? It sure must not be based on reviews or articles...Your words.

Now that is nothing but a fresh coat of paint. The only added gameplay feature of any kind is custom soundtracks. All the rest is "paint." It is probably impossible to get you to realize the difference but it was worth a try.

Gadfly really didnt point out anything.I told him alot of reasons why MGS:TS is nothing more than the original MGS game with a fresh coat of paint with a few nice touches.But since you claim that that isnt the case Bob why dont you enlighten us with why MGS:TS isnt just a simple painted over remake then? I have been reading about what the game is all about.And so far basically what I've been saying is based off of what I've been reading about the game as well as the screenshots that I've seen for myself.

Plus unless you've played the Xbox's version of the GTA Bundle pack dont talk about it.Believe me I own it and I can honestly say this version kills the original by a landslide.The Custom soundtrack feature alone makes this version of GTA the very best.When you throw in the other extras it simply raises its quality that much higher.

Nobody is saying that this game for the GC isnt good.Not at all.But reality-check here:This is still the MGS game that was on the PSX years ago.Same game,different canvas.Thats all.I dont know why this is so hard to accept? Oh well,it really doesnt matter to me since I dont own a GC.

"The Game"Evolution

02-22-2004, 02:34 PM

I don't get the big deal about this Tenchu multiplayer except that it is online. Tenchu 3 on PS2 had a co-op mode.... I don't see what the big deal here is.

Need proof on what the big deal is? www.activision.com Look up Tenchu III for the Xbox and click under read more.The extras on this PS2 port is staggering to say the least.

Deathstroke

02-22-2004, 03:17 PM

I don't know why half of you even bother arguing with the monkey. It's not like he's going to listen to reason even if you mention the differences between Twin Snakes and the original game. All the while he'll be crowing about Tenchu 3 and getting hand me downs like Genma Onimusha a year after the original game while we get its sequel. Hmmmm, isn't the same thing happening with Tenchu 3?

Bob-the-Fish

02-22-2004, 03:25 PM

Gadfly really didnt point out anything.I told him alot of reasons why MGS:TS is nothing more than the original MGS game with a fresh coat of paint with a few nice touches.But since you claim that that isnt the case Bob why dont you enlighten us with why MGS:TS isnt just a simple painted over remake then? I have been reading about what the game is all about.And so far basically what I've been saying is based off of what I've been reading about the game as well as the screenshots that I've seen for myself.

The number one reason TS is a different game then the original is the inclusion of the first person aiming mode. This will totally alter many of the sequences in the game. If you go through the series like I did, playing MGS2 before MGS then you know what I'm talking about.

Plus unless you've played the Xbox's version of the GTA Bundle pack dont talk about it.Believe me I own it and I can honestly say this version kills the original by a landslide.The Custom soundtrack feature alone makes this version of GTA the very best.When you throw in the other extras it simply raises its quality that much higher.

I have played the Xbox version of GTA Vice City. I didn't buy it because it is the same game I played and finished a not even a year before. Exactly the same game. It may be technically supirior in a few instances but nothing jumped out at me. Granted, the custom soundtrack is a neat addition but that alone doesn't make the game worth playing again (and ceratinly isn't worth another $30). I just stick the CD into my stereo then I listen to it while I'm not in a car as well. If you don't have the game on PS2 already then sure it's a great buy, but not for the millions of people who already own the game.

Now Twin Snakes on the other hand, is a game worth buying even if you own the original because it offers something new along with all the great stuff left from the first incarnation and fan extras that Konami throws into every game.

And if it doesn't matter to you, why do you bring it up over and over again anyway?

Gadfly2317

02-22-2004, 04:59 PM

The number one reason TS is a different game then the original is the inclusion of the first person aiming mode. This will totally alter many of the sequences in the game. If you go through the series like I did, playing MGS2 before MGS then you know what I'm talking about.

I have played the Xbox version of GTA Vice City. I didn't buy it because it is the same game I played and finished a not even a year before. Exactly the same game. It may be technically supirior in a few instances but nothing jumped out at me. Granted, the custom soundtrack is a neat addition but that alone doesn't make the game worth playing again (and ceratinly isn't worth another $30). I just stick the CD into my stereo then I listen to it while I'm not in a car as well. If you don't have the game on PS2 already then sure it's a great buy, but not for the millions of people who already own the game.

Now Twin Snakes on the other hand, is a game worth buying even if you own the original because it offers something new along with all the great stuff left from the first incarnation and fan extras that Konami throws into every game.

And if it doesn't matter to you, why do you bring it up over and over again anyway?

You heard him. He just went on about GTA being WAY better on xbox than the PS2 version. True. I own the PC version--the best version of all--so I know all about custom soundtracks and better graphics. But the difference between the PS2 version of GTA and even the PC VERSION is not as great as the difference between Metal Gear Solid and Metal Gear: Twin Snakes.

See, Evolution will buy a game on PS2, and then a few months later buy the SAME game for xbox. These are BOTH next gen machines, and the technology gap between them is not that large. Now the Technology gap between PS1 and GC or PS1 and Xbox is VAST.

I don't like calling names like "stupid" but how is it not stupid to fawn over buying a game you just got a few months ago with slight tweaks, but then rag on another game that is a five year old classic? He seems to think that makes it less worthy because it is five years old. That makes it more worthy of our attention. Who wants to redo something they just played a few months ago for a whole other 40 dollars?

But Metal Gear is a classic of last generation, and it is being given a high-tech make-over. He can't get around the fact that while its the "same game"---story, characters, etc--that what is being done here is truly unique in the world of gaming. I don't recall ever seeing anything quite like this; even resident evil remake is not as ambitious as this.

He is worthless except perhaps to study as a curiosity in brain dysfunction, because you KNOW for a fact if MS were undertaking to do such a loving restoration of one of our favorite classic games, he'd be the biggest "whoo-hooo" fan. He throws around the word "hater" a lot, but its clear that he's so obsessed with his hatred of Nintendo that he cannot think clearly at all about games or the world of gaming.

ONe final little thing. . . the other problem is he doesn't read the posts he responds to most of the time. . . that's why you get that fractured feeling of communicating with an auto-responder program. He pulls a couple sentences out, creates what he thinks you probably what he said, and then argues with that. So he's arguing with himself. When we respond to him we are also only arguing to ourselves, or possibly just for the entertainment or boredom of observers who like the "car-wreck" aspect of some of the worst this board has to offer.

"The Game"Evolution

02-22-2004, 05:06 PM

"The Game"Evolution

02-22-2004, 05:16 PM

You heard him. He just went on about GTA being WAY better on xbox than the PS2 version. True. I own the PC version--the best version of all--so I know all about custom soundtracks and better graphics. But the difference between the PS2 version of GTA and even the PC VERSION is not as great as the difference between Metal Gear Solid and Metal Gear: Twin Snakes.

See, Evolution will buy a game on PS2, and then a few months later buy the SAME game for xbox. These are BOTH next gen machines, and the technology gap between them is not that large. Now the Technology gap between PS1 and GC or PS1 and Xbox is VAST.

I don't like calling names like "stupid" but how is it not stupid to fawn over buying a game you just got a few months ago with slight tweaks, but then rag on another game that is a five year old classic? He seems to think that makes it less worthy because it is five years old. That makes it more worthy of our attention. Who wants to redo something they just played a few months ago for a whole other 40 dollars?

But Metal Gear is a classic of last generation, and it is being given a high-tech make-over. He can't get around the fact that while its the "same game"---story, characters, etc--that what is being done here is truly unique in the world of gaming. I don't recall ever seeing anything quite like this; even resident evil remake is not as ambitious as this.

He is worthless except perhaps to study as a curiosity in brain dysfunction, because you KNOW for a fact if MS were undertaking to do such a loving restoration of one of our favorite classic games, he'd be the biggest "whoo-hooo" fan. He throws around the word "hater" a lot, but its clear that he's so obsessed with his hatred of Nintendo that he cannot think clearly at all about games or the world of gaming.

ONe final little thing. . . the other problem is he doesn't read the posts he responds to most of the time. . . that's why you get that fractured feeling of communicating with an auto-responder program. He pulls a couple sentences out, creates what he thinks you probably what he said, and then argues with that. So he's arguing with himself. When we respond to him we are also only arguing to ourselves, or possibly just for the entertainment or boredom of observers who like the "car-wreck" aspect of some of the worst this board has to offer.

Its a fact.The Xbox's version of GTA and GTA:Vice City is ten times better than the original games on the PS2.Dont believe it? Check the reviews.

If there is a game on the PS2 that I own that comes out later on the Xbox thats better then yes I will sell or trade my PS2 version and go buy the Xbox version in a heartbeat.But when it comes to multiplatform titles I always buy Xbox versions only.Besides how can you judge me on that merit when AOE Enforcer bought all three copies of Soul Calibur 2?

I wasnt ragging on anything.You thought I was but I wasnt.You actually think I hate Nintendo? LOL! You're a bigger fool than I thought if you believe that.I'm glad to see you got me all figured out Gadfly.(sarcasm)

Glockstar

02-22-2004, 06:16 PM

Most of those games look pretty uninspiring. NG of course looks sweet, but it also looks like a hack and slash. I'm having trouble seeing what's the big deal; guess I'll have to play it just to find out.

All those games you listed. . . I just don't see how you can describe it as a barrage of killer apps. It seemed just like any other month of any other year in gaming. . . a barrage of crap with a few gems in there.

"Uninspiring"... 'no big deal'... "barrage of crap".
Hmmm... are these things you say actually conceived in the same brain as the things you say about Pikmin, Mario Golf, Panzer Dragoon Orta, and Voodoo Vince?

It sure doesn't seem like it.

Was Splinter Cell cancelled for GC? I don't recall hearing about that. If you're just referring to it releasing later on GC and PS2, then why did you only single out the GC? Do I detect dishonest and biased reporting here?

Maybe if you try just a little bit harder.

SC:PT was not cancelled for the GC (though why UbiSoft is even bothering with making a version for it, I do not know - but... I digress...), however it's release for the system will come over a month later (yes, the same goes for the PS2). Still, thanks for catching that.

Believe it or not, the mistake was honest. :eek:
When I originally typed up the list, I didn't have Splinter Cell: PT on it; and my editor didn't catch it when I added it later. (Though she's got a beautiful face, and a nice ass, she's not exactly the best editor you've ever seen - she let's a lot typos get by her, in case you hadn't noticed. :p )

That said, I do think that it's a very significant thing that the GC does not get a lot of the same games that the PS2 and XBox do get. Some of the kitties just don't quite seem to grasp the situation that their system is in here. If they were simply mistaken it'd be one thing, but clearly that's not it - they are in denial (for some odd reason or another). Well, I'm the guy that's going to lead them across that river. And into reality! :D

As far as me being biased... well... DUH!
I've never tried to hide the fact that I think the XBox is the best! And I never will. In fact, I'll say it again, right now... I THINK THE XBOX IS THE BEST SYSTEM EVAR!!! You hear me? THE BEST EVAR!!!

You have never played Tenchu? If you like stealth games you should try it. And you have Live right? That's probably going to add a lot to this game. The person I was razzing for buying this again on xbox after just buying on PS2 doesn't have Live, so it seems silly for them to be excited about features they will never use.

I suppose it does seem silly doesn't it. But you know what seems sillier? You trying to argue with him about it. Or what's more... the fact that you "care" and that you let it get to you. Like slade says, 'quit feeding the monkey'. Savvy?

I tell you something else, there's a lot of people here that (also) like to complain about game/system features that they will never use; or complain about things that they don't get into, or will never like. That's kind of silly too, isn't it? But where's your "concern" for them? What you only have eyes on "The Game", or something? SILLY!

As far as stealth games go, no I don't particularly care for them.
But I have really only played Splinter Cell (which impresses me), Hitman 2 (which I liked a lot), and the MetalGearCacas (and you know what I think of them!). The little bit of interest I have in Tenchu is pretty much all due to the on-line component - which I honestly don't know that much about... sorry... Splinter Cell... you understand, right?

If you don't mind sharing. . . what about Killer 7 looked stupid? I have seen hardly anything about this game yet aside from story and screenshots. I've had high hopes for it because I like the concept, and the art style, but I have no idea at all about the game play, so I've also been concerned all that style and concept would be ruined by a crap game. Did you learn more about the gameplay, or are you saying it "looked" stupid, i.e. the screenshots? Any info you have on this game, I'd love to hear it, good or bad. Thanks

Some excerpts from the GameInformer article (the ones that I took note of... you want to read the whole article and draw your own conclusions - buy the issue or become a subscriber!):

... Suda 51 [aka Goichi Suda... the director and writer of K7] is considered a genius in Japan when it comes to writing stories such as Killer 7. "We knew Suda for his work on the Playstation," explains Kobayashi [Production Studio 4 general manager Hiroyuki Kobayashi]. "Specifically a game called The Silver Affair that was never released in America."

Killer 7's story is indeed a confusing one. Even Kobayashi seems lost at times when he tries to explain the whole thing to us.

The game will take place across six scenarios, which Kobayashi believes will each be about two hours in length, filled with tons of real-time cutscenes to deliver the story.

The interesting thing is that each personality [of the main character's - and of which there are 7] has it's own unique style and powers.

In other situations, you must use their powers to decipher puzzles. In one example we saw, one of the characters uses his special powers to engulf himself in flames, which then turns on the sprinkler system that fills up a toilet so he can flush it to pass the puzzle.

Did we already mention that this game is insane? Because if we didn't , now would be a good time. In fact, the lunacy doesn't stop there. The entire game is stylized to fit its eccentric themes. You switch personalities by changing channels on a TV screen. You are greeted by a colored, pulsating moon whenever the game loads. The list goes on and on.

Even the gameplay is set from a different mold. For example, you don't actually move in 3D in the environments. Instead you choose a direction from a variety of choices...[The article goes into more details, but I don't have the time or space to convey everything to you. Just know that it gets weirder, and that it involves gunfights.]

The game really is an attempt by Capcom to create a story-driven piece of software, one that is not only a game, but a piece of interactive art.

And as for how insane the story unfolds, it is the driving force of Killer 7 - the one thing that will either sink the ship or propel it into cult classic status.

We were able to see a number of cutscenes, and they are definitely awe-inspiring. The art style is simply dazzling, and there are some impressive camera techniques used to create a very cinematic mood.[Judging from the pics in the mag, the graphics look, to me, like a cross between Thirteen and Drake of the 99 Dragons... but pre-PS1-ish.]

Sadly, this game is very hard to judge from what we saw. It is a bit like seeing a portion of a movie like Memento , Fight Club [I love [I]that movie!], or The Sixth Sense [another great movie!] without knowing the twist that makes it all come together and make sense.

The one thing we can say for sure is that Suda 51 is indeed an innovator. Killer 7 is a game like no other. But in the end it will come down to how well he can tell a story. Killer 7 can either be an eye-opening venture through the surreal like the original Matrix movie, or a confusing, self-involved snooze-fest like it's sequels. [Or like the MetalGearCacas.]
Alright, that took too long! :mad:
I'm cutting into my game time to bring you this, I'll have you know!

Well that's it for tonight!
We'll get into this more tomorrow night if you want, but right now I gotta go see if any of XBL "Friends" are on, and if not... then play on my newly download Kapalua Plantation course for Links 2004! Hasta!

[Sorry for any typos.]

Gadfly2317

02-23-2004, 05:13 AM

Glock, thanks for taking time to type out all that info on Killer 7. I haven't gotten the Game Informer yet. . . is this the issue that also has all the exclusive info on RE4? I thought the issue didn't hit store shelves until the 24th--I planned on buying it, but haven't seen it yet. You must be a subscriber. Anyway, thanks for the info.

I still find Killer 7 to sound interesting. I'm not big on games filled with cut scenes or story. . . I tend to like all action all the time (like ikaruga and monkey ball) but a game that's a total interactive movie art-thing, it may or may not be a cool experience unto itself, even if its not quite a typical "game." (I didn't like the original Dragon Slayer, so maybe I'll hate it.)

Anyway, I'm always glad to see developers try to make something that's unique. But of course, sometimes unique can still be a crappy game. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for this one.

Rogue Bounty Hunter

02-23-2004, 07:07 AM

[QUOTE=Glockstar]Yeah... starting with this issue, GI's got a new way of sectioning off their reviews, but they, uh, slighted the XBox a tad this month, didn't they?

They put Sonic Heroes in the PS2 Quickes section, and totally neglected the fact it's also available for the XBox.

They did the same thing last month with Baldurs Gate: Dark Alliance II.

I've never played a Tenchu game before, but I gotta admit the XBox Live co-op mode sounds a little intriguing and fun. The only thing is, the great year that is 2004 for the XBox kicks into full-on in just a couple of days, which is also the beginning of a crazy-mad-rush of killer apps! From Feb. 23 to March 23:
- Next week = Steel Battalion and Steel Battalion Line of Contact* ('m there!)
- the following week = Colin McRae Rally '04* ($19.99) and Dead Man's Hand* http://www.dmhgame.com/
- Then a little game called Ninja Gaiden*
- Then Mafia and Tenchu*
- March 16 = Breakdown
- March 23 = Fight Night 2004, Splinter Cell: PT*, and Trivial Pursuit Unhinged*

None of which are coming to the GameCube! Heh heh.

But wait, there's more...
According to GameStop theres's also: Carve*, Scooby Doo, Judge Dredd, MTX Mototrax*, The Suffering, All-Star Baseball 2005*, Carmen Sandiego, MVP Baseball, Samurai Jack, ESPN Major League Baseball*, Worms 3D, and Yu-Gi-Oh!: Dawn of Destiny. Whew!

QUOTE]

I kind of don't like the way GI is doing the multiplat reviews. IF they make sure they do separate reviews for certain multiplatform games that are better on one system than another, then I will not have much of a problem with it. I'm thinking thye didn't have much time to do reviews for the Xbox version of Sonic Heroes and Dark Alliance II.

As far as Feb 23-March 23, I have already started on my games with 007: Everything or Nothing. Ninja Gaiden, Mafia, Twin Snakes, and SC: Pandora Tomorrow are next. Tenchu and Cy Girls may end up squished out, for the time being, along with ESPN MLB Baseball. I'm kind of interested in Fight Night, depending on how much improved it is from the last KO Kings.

AOE Enforcer

02-23-2004, 03:42 PM

Its a fact.The Xbox's version of GTA and GTA:Vice City is ten times better than the original games on the PS2.Dont believe it? Check the reviews.

If there is a game on the PS2 that I own that comes out later on the Xbox thats better then yes I will sell or trade my PS2 version and go buy the Xbox version in a heartbeat.But when it comes to multiplatform titles I always buy Xbox versions only.Besides how can you judge me on that merit when AOE Enforcer bought all three copies of Soul Calibur 2?

I wasnt ragging on anything.You thought I was but I wasnt.You actually think I hate Nintendo? LOL! You're a bigger fool than I thought if you believe that.I'm glad to see you got me all figured out Gadfly.(sarcasm)

Grand Theft Auto Double Pack PS2: 97%
Grand Theft Auto Double Pack Xbox: 94%

There, you are wrong. Why not bring up Monkey Testicles, condoms and Billy Hatcher review scores now? :rolleyes:

Robert-The-Rambler

02-23-2004, 03:53 PM

Grand Theft Auto Double Pack PS2: 97%
Grand Theft Auto Double Pack Xbox: 94%

There, you are wrong. Why not bring up Monkey Testicles, condoms and Billy Hatcher review scores now? :rolleyes:

Lets keep that to ourselves now people. What you eat in your own house is your own business. <>__<>

mandark

02-23-2004, 04:36 PM

You heard him. He just went on about GTA being WAY better on xbox than the PS2 version. True. I own the PC version--the best version of all--so I know all about custom soundtracks and better graphics. But the difference between the PS2 version of GTA and even the PC VERSION is not as great as the difference between Metal Gear Solid and Metal Gear: Twin Snakes.

See, Evolution will buy a game on PS2, and then a few months later buy the SAME game for xbox. These are BOTH next gen machines, and the technology gap between them is not that large. Now the Technology gap between PS1 and GC or PS1 and Xbox is VAST.

I don't like calling names like "stupid" but how is it not stupid to fawn over buying a game you just got a few months ago with slight tweaks, but then rag on another game that is a five year old classic? He seems to think that makes it less worthy because it is five years old. That makes it more worthy of our attention. Who wants to redo something they just played a few months ago for a whole other 40 dollars?

But Metal Gear is a classic of last generation, and it is being given a high-tech make-over. He can't get around the fact that while its the "same game"---story, characters, etc--that what is being done here is truly unique in the world of gaming. I don't recall ever seeing anything quite like this; even resident evil remake is not as ambitious as this.

He is worthless except perhaps to study as a curiosity in brain dysfunction, because you KNOW for a fact if MS were undertaking to do such a loving restoration of one of our favorite classic games, he'd be the biggest "whoo-hooo" fan. He throws around the word "hater" a lot, but its clear that he's so obsessed with his hatred of Nintendo that he cannot think clearly at all about games or the world of gaming.

ONe final little thing. . . the other problem is he doesn't read the posts he responds to most of the time. . . that's why you get that fractured feeling of communicating with an auto-responder program. He pulls a couple sentences out, creates what he thinks you probably what he said, and then argues with that. So he's arguing with himself. When we respond to him we are also only arguing to ourselves, or possibly just for the entertainment or boredom of observers who like the "car-wreck" aspect of some of the worst this board has to offer.

The solution is simple Gadfly. Stop responding to the games posts. Most everyone has. You'll feel better too.

Gadfly2317

02-23-2004, 05:00 PM

The solution is simple Gadfly. Stop responding to the games posts. Most everyone has. You'll feel better too.

I'll try. . .

you know that episode of X-files with the obssessive compulsive vampires who have tie untied shoe laces? I'm kinda like that about factual information and logic. When Evolution's posts just sit there like steaming turds stinking up the board, it needs to be addressed. Maybe I really should just put him on my ignore list and realize Evolution has to poop somewhere, and apparently the mods believe it should be here at VGR.

I personally wish he'd get "born again" and start spamming up the religion boards ("No really, God is a Baptist. You Catholic "wine drinkers" got nothin' but your low resolution pope, and you Secular Humanists brownie hounds, you're not only in last place, but you'll never get a version of Grand Theft Auto!!!!!!!!)

Glockstar

02-23-2004, 06:13 PM

When Evolution's posts just sit there like steaming turds stinking up the board, it needs to be addressed.

No, they don't.

For one thing, they're harmless... because nobody reads them anyway. I think the only ones that read them anymore are you, Geezer, Geezer's crony, and Beer. And when you guys respond to him, you all always stoop down to his level. You should read y'alls posts. Really. I mean, damn but you guys get all hot and bothered. Then you guys all lower yourselves to fighting him on his level... and he whoops you everytime! It's sick.

The other thing is, is that when the rest of us (who have already put him on ignore) do become privy to his posts - thru your "replies" - we just roll our eyes at what he says. Just as we always have. Contrary to what you think about "those steaming turds", they don't stink... because they're not even real turds. They're fake plastic turds! You haven't figured that out yet?

And no... I'm not worried about what he thinks of what I've just said, or of what he thinks of me; nor am I worried about his feelings... because he doesn't read my posts my anyways. He doesn't read anybodys. Beer proved that a long time ago! (Which is why it beffudles me when I see him still responding, and still getting all tossed up over what he says. ??? )

(I think you guys love his posts. I really do. That's the only explanation.)

P.S. Gadfly, with regards to GameInformer... at (just) a buck an issue, I think everyone should be a subscriber! Don't you have a GameStop near you?

Bob-the-Fish

02-23-2004, 06:20 PM

P.S. Gadfly, with regards to GameInformer... at (just) a buck an issue, I think everyone should be a subscriber! Don't you have a GameStop near you?

I just found that out yesterday. It is a sweet deal. 10 issues for $10 and I got a discount so I got a preplayed Shadow Hearts for $18 plus this discount card that's good till December. Look into this if you're not a regular subscriber. GI isn't the greatest mag out there, but it is worth a buck.

Rogue Bounty Hunter

02-23-2004, 07:30 PM

GI isn't the greatest mag out there, but it is worth a buck.

I agree. The review score system they use pretty much suck, but I think they have the best previews section of all the other multiplatform magazines out there.

Gadfly2317

02-24-2004, 03:56 AM

P.S. Gadfly, with regards to GameInformer... at (just) a buck an issue, I think everyone should be a subscriber! Don't you have a GameStop near you?

Thanks for the heads up. I hadn't gone into GameStop in ages. . .only been there twice though, and the one here was staffed by really rude cornballs, and I thought they were over priced. Used copies of games for $39? I mean yeah, it was a recent release, but $5 isn't much of a saving to get something used.

I usually go to Best Buy (I buy a lot of DVD's and music, too, and they have the best prices I've seen anywhere), and sometimes EB Games, and also to a used game store called "Game Xchange." I'll have to check out this GameInformer deal you're talking about.

I took your other advice, too, and put Evolution on my ignore list.

trebor

02-24-2004, 07:51 AM

Thanks for the heads up. I hadn't gone into GameStop in ages. . .only been there twice though, and the one here was staffed by really rude cornballs, and I thought they were over priced. Used copies of games for $39? I mean yeah, it was a recent release, but $5 isn't much of a saving to get something used.

GameStop is actually getting a lot better about their prices. More often then not these days, new games will be evenly priced to that of Best Buy or Circuit City. In fact, many new titles are cheaper at GameStop then at BB or CC. For instance, a new copy of Eternal Darkness at GameStop is $15 whereas it is at least $20 -$30 at either BB or CC.

Their used games are still a rip off though.

I took your other advice, too, and put Evolution on my ignore list.

I have the feeling I'm one of the very, very few who haven't put him on my ignore list. In fact, nobody is in my ignore list.

Bob-the-Fish

02-24-2004, 08:19 AM

Their used games are still a rip off though.

I don't get many games there. I just pooped in the other day cause I was in the area and saw the GI promo. For the extra $5 bucks over their used prices, I'd rather have a new game that comes with a manual!

I have the feeling I'm one of the very, very few who haven't put him on my ignore list. In fact, nobody is in my ignore list.

I don't have anybody on mine either. I always thought the point of message boards was to discuss the topic at hand. People put posters on ignore because they don't agree with them it seems. So if the only people you see are the people you agree with, what's the point?

trebor

02-24-2004, 09:22 AM

I don't get many games there. I just pooped in the other day cause I was in the area and saw the GI promo. For the extra $5 bucks over their used prices, I'd rather have a new game that comes with a manual!

I know that's just a typo and everything, but it is a very funny typo.

I don't have anybody on mine either. I always thought the point of message boards was to discuss the topic at hand. People put posters on ignore because they don't agree with them it seems. So if the only people you see are the people you agree with, what's the point?

Totally. Aside from the whole respecting other people's differing opinions thing, why would you want to censor a board that is already censored so heavily? If the only people you see on the forum are other people that agree with you, all the agreeing and high-fiving would get boring after a bit. I can just imagine...

Poster 1 "Xbox is the BEST EVAR!!!"

Poster 2 "Yeah, it totally is!"

Poster 1 "Gamecube is for kitties!"

Poster 2 "Yeah! All the felines play Gamecube!"

Poster 1 "Playstation is all, like, Slowney"

Poster 2 "Yes! Playstation is slow and is Sony, so Slowney is the perfect way to describe them!"

Poster 1 "....."

Poster 1 "Don't you want to argue about anything?"

Poster 2 "Nope!"

Poster 1 "Ehhh...see you later."

Deathstroke

02-24-2004, 12:40 PM

trebor

02-24-2004, 02:48 PM

The point being that the person you disagree with has some intelligence. I mean look at Daman, I've never agreed with him but I'm not going to put him on ignore because he actually makes a point. The Game just spins things in endless circles and frankly, you try putting up with him after nearly three years. Trust me, at the end, you'll be begging him to put you on his ignore list. :D

That's true, although The Game does make everybody else look more intelligent by comparison. Sometimes I feel sorry for the poor guy, but hey, ignorance is bliss, right?