Panzer Dragoon Orta on Gamecube

[Gadfly2317]

After seeing what Sega did with F-Zero on Gamecube, I know they could port Panzer Dragoon over from X-box without losing much of anything graphically. F-Zero is nearly as graphically as impressive as PDO, at 1000 times the speed. I'm convinced all the xbots who said only the xbox could handle a game like PDO were not only completely deluded, but probably didn't even bother to play PDO. SEGA PLEEEEZE!!!! Bring Panzer Dragoon over to a system with players who will appreciate it.

Better yet, Nintendo, why don't you just buy Sega---like Coke and Heroin it is a pairing that was simply meant to be (or should I have said "peaches and cream" or "Peanut butter and jelly?" Nah, I had it pegged with the first one. No need to censor a good analogy.)

[Tappy_Tibbons]

<div class=\"smallfont\">After seeing what Sega did with F-Zero on Gamecube, I know they could port Panzer Dragoon over from X-box without losing much of anything graphically. F-Zero is nearly as graphically as impressive as PDO, at 1000 times the speed. I'm convinced all the xbots who said only the xbox could handle a game like PDO were not only completely deluded, but probably didn't even bother to play PDO. SEGA PLEEEEZE!!!! Bring Panzer Dragoon over to a system with players who will appreciate it.

Better yet, Nintendo, why don't you just buy Sega---like Coke and Heroin it is a pairing that was simply meant to be (or should I have said "peaches and cream" or "Peanut butter and jelly?" Nah, I had it pegged with the first one. No need to censor a good analogy.)</div>


wow Gad, you actually have somewhat of a point. GC needs PDO more than Xbox does. It sold like crap on Xbox. Maybe people would appreciate it more on GC.

[Renzatic Gear]

I wouldn't be an exact port, from what I've seen of it the game uses pixil shading heavily, but it would be pretty close.

The Gamecube does have alot of untapped potential, given the chance developers could make games that at the very least come close to rivaling the Xbox. The graphics might be a little rougher in comparison, but it'd be far from outclassed.

[Darwin]

<div class=\"smallfont\">The Gamecube does have alot of untapped potential....</div>

You damn right about that. The vast emptiness that is the GC library is proof of this.

[Gadfly2317]

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You damn right about that. The vast emptiness that is the GC library is proof of this.</div>


I kind of agree and disagree. It doesn't seem empty to me because I like a lot of what they're doing. And the ports look good (Hitman II was the one I played most recently) but the ports are irrelevant to multi-system owners since they come to 'cube last. At the same time, the untapped potential is frustrating. Seeing what Sega was able to do here. . . I mean, hell, Mario Golf is a blast and graphics aren't everything, but enough already with this simple primary color stuff Nintendo. I'd like to see Nintendo do something In-house that was ambitious, graphically intense, dark, and fun all at the same time. Even Disney does something grim and horrifying once in awhile. I loved the cel-shaded Zelda, but that was the Franchise they should have taken the opportunity to go intense with.

Sega man, they really made the GC look good with this one.

[mass]

<div class=\"smallfont\">After seeing what Sega did with F-Zero on Gamecube, I know they could port Panzer Dragoon over from X-box without losing much of anything graphically. F-Zero is nearly as graphically as impressive as PDO, at 1000 times the speed. I'm convinced all the xbots who said only the xbox could handle a game like PDO were not only completely deluded, but probably didn't even bother to play PDO. SEGA PLEEEEZE!!!! Bring Panzer Dragoon over to a system with players who will appreciate it.

Better yet, Nintendo, why don't you just buy Sega---like Coke and Heroin it is a pairing that was simply meant to be (or should I have said &quot;peaches and cream&quot; or &quot;Peanut butter and jelly?&quot; Nah, I had it pegged with the first one. No need to censor a good analogy.)</div>

That's rich. You guys didn't buy Ikaruga, but you're going to buy PDO.
:rolleyes:

First off you don't have players who appreciate much of anything unless Mario and the gang are in it. Sorry, but sonic doesn't make a guest appearance in PDO. If PDO showed up on the gamecube it would a panzer dragoon kart game, with sonic and friends racing with little dragons, complete with split-screen multi-player mayhem. Probably some gba connectivity feature where you can collect and raise little dragons on your gba and create custom dragon paint jobs.

[Gadfly2317]

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That's rich. You guys didn't buy Ikaruga, but you're going to buy PDO.
:rolleyes:

First off you don't have players who appreciate much of anything unless Mario and the gang are in it. Sorry, but sonic doesn't make a guest appearance in PDO. If PDO showed up on the gamecube it would a panzer dragoon kart game, with sonic and friends racing with little dragons, complete with split-screen multi-player mayhem. Probably some gba connectivity feature where you can collect and raise little dragons on your gba and create custom dragon paint jobs.</div>

The GBA/connectivity joke is funny enough, but it'd be cool if once in awhile you could give some thoughtworthy analysis. While there's no doubt Mario games sell, Sega and Nintendo had a lot of the same fans. Sega games sell well on Nintendo (except sports games), and PDO would sell on GC, at least well enough to be worth porting. The series has some name recognition, which Ikaruga didn't, and Ikaruga had zero promotion and low development costs. It was clearly a mistake for Sega to put PDO on Xbox, and it's good to see they've learned their lesson.

I don't know who "you guys" are, but it seems like most of the GC fans around here bought Ikaruga; can you blame us for coveting one of the few great original exclusive games on the xbox?

[Glockstar]

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That's rich. You guys didn't buy Ikaruga, but you're going to buy PDO.
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First off you don't have players who appreciate much of anything unless Mario and the gang are in it. Sorry, but sonic doesn't make a guest appearance in PDO. If PDO showed up on the gamecube it would a panzer dragoon kart game, with sonic and friends racing with little dragons, complete with split-screen multi-player mayhem. Probably some gba connectivity feature where you can collect and raise little dragons on your gba and create custom dragon paint jobs.</div>

Exactly!

Sorry Mcfly, You're barking up the wrong tree. Most of the XBots here have bought PDO as well. And there's no WAY IN HECK Sega would port the game over to the system where third party games sell the worst! PS2... they might think about it. Or not. Anyways, knock off the *****ing about PDO sales, already. The previous iterations of the game were never popular either! (Of course, M$ was never involved before, right? This time we KNOW who's to blame, yes?!?)

[trebor]

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Exactly!

Sorry Mcfly, You're barking up the wrong tree. Most of the XBots here have bought PDO as well. And there's no WAY IN HECK Sega would port the game over to the system where third party games sell the worst! PS2... they might think about it. Or not. Anyways, knock off the *****ing about PDO sales, already. The previous iterations of the game were never popular either! (Of course, M$ was never involved before, right? This time we KNOW who's to blame, yes?!?)</div>

You need to start paying better attention - Sega <i>does</i> sell well on GC, just not the sports titles. Whereas, Sega sells like crap on Xbox, except for the sports titles. Kind of funny about that.

[mass]

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The GBA/connectivity joke is funny enough, but it'd be cool if once in awhile you could give some thoughtworthy analysis. While there's no doubt Mario games sell, Sega and Nintendo had a lot of the same fans. Sega games sell well on Nintendo (except sports games), and PDO would sell on GC, at least well enough to be worth porting. The series has some name recognition, which Ikaruga didn't, and Ikaruga had zero promotion and low development costs. It was clearly a mistake for Sega to put PDO on Xbox, and it's good to see they've learned their lesson.

I don't know who &quot;you guys&quot; are, but it seems like most of the GC fans around here bought Ikaruga; can you blame us for coveting one of the few great original exclusive games on the xbox?</div>

Hypocrisy reveal thyself, thy name is gadfly. PDO sold like crap on the xbox, clearly a mistake, well, PDO sold about 90,000 copies worth in NA. What did Ikaruga sell on the gc? I suppose the few on these boards that did buy Ikaruga constitute the typical nintendo purchaser. I guess all those ads I saw in the game mags constitute "zero" promotion. All those previews for the game and the glorious review write-ups also constitute "zero" promotion.

Sega made a big mistake delaying PDO from its original Novemeber release date to January. They wound up missing up the crucial holiday sales season. Also, it might come up as big shock to you, but the pdo series was not exactly a huge seller on the saturn. Expecting a cult series to sell a half-million copies or whatever was never in the cards. You're talking a shooter here, this isn't the type of game that's going to appeal to the masses. If it did, we'd be seeing old school shooters being released all the time, instead of once in a blue moon. Cry me a river, cube boy, you're not in gd land here, this is sys wars. Expect to get stuffed when you take cheap shots at the xbox. STILL waiting for Halo on the pc, how's that going.

[Glockstar]

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Hypocrisy reveal thyself, thy name is gadfly. What did Ikaruga sell on the gc?

Expecting a cult series to sell a half-million copies or whatever was never in the cards. You're talking a shooter here, this isn't the type of game that's going to appeal to the masses. If it did, we'd be seeing old school shooters being released all the time, instead of once in a blue moon. </div>

Yeah... and remember the stuff coming out of the kitties and coppertops mouths prior to PDO's release?
'It's a tired old genre - how lame!'
'It's just a shooter, for crying out loud, why would I want that!'
'The other PDs sold like crap - because nobody wants this kind of game!'
'What a weak, sorry, and pitiful excuse for a next-gen. game this one will turn out to be!'

Blah Blah Blah BLAH. It's always something, isn't it?


To trebore:
Sega games sell great on the GC, eh? Is that right?
Crazy Taxi, Phantasy Star, and Skies of Arcadia sold great did they?
Shut the eff up already.

[Darwin]

Sorry fellas ... I need a moment ... it's just that, I thought the spirit of System Wars had been removed from our new message boards ... it's good to see that no one has crushed our spirit.

And Sega does sell well on Xbox, Trebor. Jet Set Radio Future was a big success on Xbox.

[The Prince of Darkness]

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You need to start paying better attention - Sega <i>does</i> sell well on GC, just not the sports titles. Whereas, Sega sells like crap on Xbox, except for the sports titles. Kind of funny about that.</div>



Does Sega really sell well on the GC? That's right---only when there is a cute little blue guy on the box.

[The Prince of Darkness]

<div class=\"smallfont\">After seeing what Sega did with F-Zero on Gamecube, I know they could port Panzer Dragoon over from X-box without losing much of anything graphically. F-Zero is nearly as graphically as impressive as PDO, at 1000 times the speed. I'm convinced all the xbots who said only the xbox could handle a game like PDO were not only completely deluded, but probably didn't even bother to play PDO. SEGA PLEEEEZE!!!! Bring Panzer Dragoon over to a system with players who will appreciate it.

Better yet, Nintendo, why don't you just buy Sega---like Coke and Heroin it is a pairing that was simply meant to be (or should I have said "peaches and cream" or "Peanut butter and jelly?" Nah, I had it pegged with the first one. No need to censor a good analogy.)</div>


Come on Gadfly. Sorry to regurgitate what has already been posted above, but I simply have to reiterate something that you seem to have forgotten---3rd party titles sell like ass on Gamecube. If you are talking about a 3rd party title that sold like ass on Xbox then logically speaking that means that it will sell like even less than ass on Gamecube.

[slade]

Unless, it's a sports title, Sega games for GC sold better then comparative games on X-box. I had a chart from 2k2 that illustrated this but I'm not about to go look it up now. Anyways, Sega's original efforts on X-box have done badly compared to their original efforts on Gamecube.

Anyways, PDO would likely sell better on GC then on X-box. Hell, Ikaruga likely sold better or comparatively with PDO.

[Glockstar]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Anyways, PDO would likely sell better on GC then on X-box.</div>

You wish! (Hata'!)

<div class=\"smallfont\">Hell, Ikaruga likely sold better or comparatively with PDO.</div>

Bet?!?

[mass]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Unless, it's a sports title, Sega games for GC sold better then comparative games on X-box. I had a chart from 2k2 that illustrated this but I'm not about to go look it up now. Anyways, Sega's original efforts on X-box have done badly compared to their original efforts on Gamecube.

Anyways, PDO would likely sell better on GC then on X-box. Hell, Ikaruga likely sold better or comparatively with PDO.</div>

Are you talking about original efforts like Sonic Adventure 2 which sold a half-million copies. That wasn't a straight dc port or anything with a blue sega mascot character who runs really fast, and kiddies all go, look mommy, it's Sonic.

This argument is infantile. regardless. You guys aren't getting PDO. Sorry about your luck. Have you seen any of the xbox sega games migrate to another platform, any? JSRF, GV, Toe Jam & Earl, CT3, HOTD3, Sega GT2002, any of these.

Yeah, let's port over xbox code for PDO and try and make it work on the gc, set up an advertising campaign so we can sell maybe 5000 copies if we're lucky. Yeah, like that's going to happen anytime soon.

[slade]

No, I'm talking about original efforts like Super Monkey Ball which outsold every other X-box Sega game minus maybe the sports title. You guys really should quit living in a world of denial.

Anyways, Glocky, hit me up with the terms of the bet and we'll get this show on the road.

[Glockstar]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Anyways, Glocky, hit me up with the terms of the bet and we'll get this show on the road.</div>

Okay! :)

If I lose, I gotta buy a PS2...
If you lose, you gotta buy an XBox!

[mass]

<div class=\"smallfont\">No, I'm talking about original efforts like Super Monkey Ball which outsold every other X-box Sega game minus maybe the sports title. You guys really should quit living in a world of denial.

Anyways, Glocky, hit me up with the terms of the bet and we'll get this show on the road.</div>

Yeah, right and you guys are dreaming up scenarios under which PDO comes to the gc. Dream on!! Hope you enjoy your new xbox. LOL!

[Gadfly2317]

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Yeah, right and you guys are dreaming up scenarios under which PDO comes to the gc. Dream on!! Hope you enjoy your new xbox. LOL!</div>


The point does tend to wander. Initially, the point was that after seeing what Sega did with F-Zero, its obvious the GC could have handled PDO. Lots of X-bots blathered on about Sega putting PDO on x-box because it was the only system that could have handled it. That is obviously not true, so I set out to debunk that myth. And then we speculated that PDO would have sold better on GC than Xbox. No way to prove this, but GOOD third party exclusives do sell well on GC.

You wanna compare sales stats of Ikaruga vs. PDO, but this makes little sense. PDO was pushed as a AAA title and was playable at kiosks everywhere including Wal-Mart. Ikaruga on the other hand, showed up in magazines, and reviews practically warned people not to pick this game up unless they thought they had godlike skill; and that this game was strictly for the hardcore old schooler. Also, PDO was a big budget eye candy development, whereas Ikaruga was a 2-D affair with most of the work done by two guys (the development team maxed out at 5 people at one point, I believe.) This game was made by a few people to be played by a few people.

Yeah, you're right. We're not going to see PDO on the GC, so its kind of silly to daydream about what might have been, and what should have been.

[Fragmastar]

I wonder why this retarded thread has gotten 20 replies.....and counting

This just proves how gullible human beings can be.

[shogun]

Well Mass, I suppose you guys should brag about your Sega titles as much as you can... seeing as you're not getting much from Sega to brag about in the future....

I find it rich that 90,000 copies is "great" when it describes PDO's sales, yet the 200,000 copies FF:CC sold in 4 days was, according to you, a clear sign that Square was gonna dump GC.

amusing to say the least...

[Gaming Geezer 78]

That's why he always brings up things that have to do with rectums.

Seriously though, I will probably pick up Ikaruga when it drops in price. Like was already said, Ikaruga is an old-school, hard-as-nails 2D affair made by five dudes. Panzer Dragoon Orta was a huge production with a big budget.

The fact that Panzer missed the Christmas selling season is NOT the reason it sold poorly. How can you say this with a straight face when Brute Force, Dead Or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball and Star Wars KOTOR all came out after the holidays as well yet sold high numbers?

The reasons Panzer Dragoon Orta sold poorly are simple:
1) No bouncing boobies
2) No blood & guts
3) Those without brains need not apply

Panzer Dragoon Orta is an excellent title with beautiful graphics & solid gameplay...just like most of Sega's other Xbox releases. Yet, Xbots refuse to buy anything with less than a 4,000+ body count or jubblies wrapped in dental floss bouncing on the beach.

[mass]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Well Mass, I suppose you guys should brag about your Sega titles as much as you can... seeing as you're not getting much from Sega to brag about in the future....

I find it rich that 90,000 copies is &quot;great&quot; when it describes PDO's sales, yet the 200,000 copies FF:CC sold in 4 days was, according to you, a clear sign that Square was gonna dump GC.

amusing to say the least...</div>


Hey, I got a novel idea, why don't you accuse me of stuff that I actually say, instead of stuff you make up. Go ahead, quote where I say, 90,000 copies sold of PDO is great. Go ahead, quote me where I said, 200,000 copies sold of FF:CC in four days, (by the way, the figures weren't that high) was a clear sign sign Square was gonna dump the gc. I want to see that quote.

Otherwise, STFU you whining baby.

[mass]

<div class=\"smallfont\">That's why he always brings up things that have to do with rectums.

Seriously though, I will probably pick up Ikaruga when it drops in price. Like was already said, Ikaruga is an old-school, hard-as-nails 2D affair made by five dudes. Panzer Dragoon Orta was a huge production with a big budget.

The fact that Panzer missed the Christmas selling season is NOT the reason it sold poorly. How can you say this with a straight face when Brute Force, Dead Or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball and Star Wars KOTOR all came out after the holidays as well yet sold high numbers?

The reasons Panzer Dragoon Orta sold poorly are simple:
1) No bouncing boobies
2) No blood &amp; guts
3) Those without brains need not apply

Panzer Dragoon Orta is an excellent title with beautiful graphics &amp; solid gameplay...just like most of Sega's other Xbox releases. Yet, Xbots refuse to buy anything with less than a 4,000+ body count or jubblies wrapped in dental floss bouncing on the beach.</div>

Speaking of gaming piles, look who shows up, gaming goof from 78 apparently still smarting from the last drubbing he took. Whatsa matter gamer, still feel the need to go on this xbot hate routine. I can hardly wait for September when we can all hear your new choice for system of the month.

Yea, missing Xmas is meaningless, guess all those huge sales numbers Ubisoft pulled in with Splinter Cell were just a big coincidence along with Ghost Recon. People don't buy games for their loved ones for xmas. Nah, that never happens. I guess Square was panicing for no good reason when they rushed FFX to get it in just before xmas 2001 rush and racked up sales of over half a million.

DOAX Volleyball, wow #10 for the month of january, by march wasn't even in top 10 best selling xbox games, and hasn't been heard from since and you claim this was a big selling game, care to change your tune, lamer.

Brute Force, a title people have been waiting a year for, billed as the next halo, hyped to the gills. Trumped up as the fastest selling xbox game since Halo, and by July racked up sales of less than 20,000 for the month and Halo outsold it by more than a two to one margin. Yea, it was a big seller, for about 3 days. Care to change your tune. What a sales phenom, Big Mutha Truckers outsold it in July, but you know better.

KOTOR is the only one you're getting from me, and it would've sold better if it had been released last year during the holiday season as originally scheduled.

To even suggest that missing the xmas holiday season with a title is desireable paints you stupid to the max. Yeah, we'll wait until everybody's spent their money and is busy trying to pay off their credit card bills and then release a title. We'll do so much better that way.

You don't argue facts, you just argue bias and stereotypes. Come back when you can offer more than cutting wind with your stale arguments, that we've heard ad nauseum for a while now.

Oh, welcome back. :rolleyes: No, seriously.

[Gadfly2317]

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Otherwise, STFU you whining baby.</div>


Wow. That's a line to be proud of, Mass. You should print it out and show it to your girlfriend/wife/male escort--whatever--and say, "look honey, look what I wrote today about someone who's views on video games are wholly inferior to my own! Aren't you proud?"

Even when you are talking about games you bring here the tone of a political message board. Why is it that self-avowed right-wingers can never hold an intelligent conversation without stooping to this pointless angry name calling? I bestow upon you the coveted Ann Coulter System's Wars "Diva of Hate" award.

[slade]

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Okay! :)

If I lose, I gotta buy a PS2...
If you lose, you gotta buy an XBox!</div>

Hold on, you were planning on buying a PS2 anyway.

How about, when you lose, you buy a PS2 and if I lose I buy the next X-box console at launch.

And Sega does sell well on Xbox, Trebor. Jet Set Radio Future was a big success on Xbox.

Anything's a big seller if you're practically giving it away.

[mass]

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Wow. That's a line to be proud of, Mass. You should print it out and show it to your girlfriend/wife/male escort--whatever--and say, &quot;look honey, look what I wrote today about someone who's views on video games are wholly inferior to my own! Aren't you proud?&quot;

Even when you are talking about games you bring here the tone of a political message board. Why is it that self-avowed right-wingers can never hold an intelligent conversation without stooping to this pointless angry name calling? I bestow upon you the coveted Ann Coulter System's Wars &quot;Diva of Hate&quot; award.</div>

Oh, if it isn't mr. righteous self-indignation himself showing up, the originator of this pointless thread. The what if king. There's a forum for mincing nancies like yourself, it's called the gd forums, I suggest you use it. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. NEXT!!

[Gadfly2317]

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Oh, if it isn't mr. righteous self-indignation himself showing up, the originator of this pointless thread. The what if king. There's a forum for mincing nancies like yourself, it's called the gd forums, I suggest you use it. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. NEXT!!</div>

Hello again Mass, hunched over your Apple computer in a long blond wig and stiletto heals. This wasn't General Discussion, and it wasn't a "what if." It was a comparison of systems and perfectly suited to Systems Wars. Again, since you seem unable to grasp, the core point was that what SEGA did with F-Zero makes it clear that SEGA could have done PDO on GC. Xbots once proudly exclaimed only the xbox could host such a beautiful game. Xbots were wrong. If this led to some "what if" speculation" about how SEGA would have been better off putting PDO on GC, well, that's all part of an interesting discussion.

Yet here you are again, discussing nothing of substance and calling names "self-rightous" "mincing nancy." I mean really, man, name calling is like a spice or seasoning--it really makes this forum a lot more fun. But try to have some meat to your posts, too.

[Glockstar]

...do you read? Copy...

<div class=\"smallfont\"><div class=\"smallfont\"></div>Wow. That's a line to be proud of, Mass. You should print it out and show it to your girlfriend/wife/male escort--whatever--and say, "look honey, look what I wrote today about someone who's views on video games are wholly inferior to my own! Aren't you proud?"

Even when you are talking about games you bring here the tone of a political message board. Why is it that self-avowed right-wingers can never hold an intelligent conversation without stooping to this pointless angry name calling? I bestow upon you the coveted Ann Coulter System's Wars "Diva of Hate" award.</div>

C'mon, man... with posts like these it's no wonder "the point tends to wander". Get back to it, man. And get over it. (Personally, I thought what massi typed in there, was actually kinda funny. It's okay to laugh a little, you know. Gosh, don't you remember what we used to say when we were kids... something about sticks and stones...yes?)

I think you're diverting the argument on purpose though. Because you know he's right.

You came on here all pompous and fluffed up because you finally got your once-in-a-blue moon-game for your favorite system. (Like a typical kitty always does.) But you also dared to suggest that we Xbots don't know a good game when we see one, and don't buy them when we do. Well that's some BS - and we threw it back it at you. What, now you don't like it?

Btw, it's your fellow kitties who spew out the offensive material here; what with their lies and hypocrisy.

So come on back to the argument then - or the main point. Come on. Or are you done? Is the argument over? Has it been put to bed? Or properly put in it's place?

We won again, eh massi !?! :cool:

[trebor]

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To trebore:
Sega games sell great on the GC, eh? Is that right?
Crazy Taxi, Phantasy Star, and Skies of Arcadia sold great did they?
Shut the eff up already.</div>

Actually, I have no idea of how many exact copies of those games were sold, do you? I would love to see the GC Sega sales compared to the Xbox Sega sales.

I'm just going on the assumption that if a game like PSO 1+2 sold poorly on the GC, they probably would not be making the sequel for the GC. Why would they bother, otherwise? Super Monkey Ball and Sonic games sell very well on the Cube, as well. Although, I personally feel that SMB is the only noteworthy title Sega has released in years.

Doesn't change the fact that one of the best Sega titles available to Xboyz sold incredibly poorly, while the sports titles sell much better.

[trebor]

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Does Sega really sell well on the GC? That's right---only when there is a cute little blue guy on the box.</div>

Well, that would coincide with the general assumption that the core of the Cube's audience is "kitties" and "nostalgic gamers", wouldn't it? As a Sonic title would indeed be popular with those two groups.

Personally, I really can't stand Sonic games, I've never bought one and I never will. But if Sega's proprietary franchise sells well on the Cube, more power to em'.

For the record, as I have said previously, I am a big fan of the Super Monkey Ball series, as it is the best puzzle game released in the last five year, IMO.

[shogun]

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Hey, I got a novel idea, why don't you accuse me of stuff that I actually say, instead of stuff you make up. Go ahead, quote where I say, 90,000 copies sold of PDO is great. Go ahead, quote me where I said, 200,000 copies sold of FF:CC in four days, (by the way, the figures weren't that high) was a clear sign sign Square was gonna dump the gc. I want to see that quote.

Otherwise, STFU you whining baby.</div>


Well, here are some choice quotes from you.

http://forums16.consumerreview.com/crforum?13@67.c7nVaOnVfJJ.3@.ef43e48/4

<i>"So, let's just say 200k in 4 days, would be terrific for any other game, but for a FF title in japan, you might say it's disappointing. We'll have to see if the game has any legs. I suspect it won't and what you'll have is yet another supposed big game underperforming on the gc"</i>

<i>"It'll be interesting to see Square's reaction to the sales figures."</i>

<i>"That makes FF:CC what, a little better than a lost cause to go along with the lost cause that is the gamecube"</i>

<i>"Hypocrisy reveal thyself, thy name is gadfly. PDO sold like crap on the xbox, clearly a mistake, well, PDO sold about 90,000 copies worth in NA."</i>

I'm not sure why you keep accusing everyone of "whining", when it seems like you're the only person here that's losing their cool. Calm down man, it's only videogames...:rolleyes:

[Glockstar]

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Actually, I have no idea of how many exact copies of those games were sold, do you? I would love to see the GC Sega sales compared to the Xbox Sega sales.

I'm just going on the assumption that if a game like PSO 1+2 sold poorly on the GC, they probably would not be making the sequel for the GC. Why would they bother, otherwise? Super Monkey Ball and Sonic games sell very well on the Cube, as well. Although, I personally feel that SMB is the only noteworthy title Sega has released in years.

Doesn't change the fact that one of the best Sega titles available to Xboyz sold incredibly poorly, while the sports titles sell much better.</div>


I just don't think so. Every month we get to see NPD sales numbers, and I don't remember seeing any of these games that we're talking about (SMB, PSO, PDO, Ikaruga - all but the Sonic games) ever make it very high on the lists.

Yeah NPD only reflects US sales, but what other sales really matter to us? Other countires not only get the games at different times, but they also get different games, period. Have you seen all the different games that they release over in Japan?!? It's NOT relative.

It's not that hard for someone to then deduce the total sales of a certain game going by the NPD monthly numbers - even if that particular game never made a list. Unfortunately, we're just gong by memory here right now as I don't know if any of us has access to those old sales numbers anymore. If anybody would though, it's slade.

One last thing, if my memory serves me correctly, not only did these Sega GC games that we're talking about not rank very high, but they also had really short tenures on the sales charts. And that's with a lot less games to compete with than PS2 or XBox! (The XBox library has seen twice as many additions to it as the GC library has, this year - I don't even want to know how many the P2 has gotten.)

[mass]

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Well, here are some choice quotes from you.

http://forums16.consumerreview.com/crforum?13@67.c7nVaOnVfJJ.3@.ef43e48/4

&lt;i&gt;&quot;So, let's just say 200k in 4 days, would be terrific for any other game, but for a FF title in japan, you might say it's disappointing. We'll have to see if the game has any legs. I suspect it won't and what you'll have is yet another supposed big game underperforming on the gc&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;&quot;It'll be interesting to see Square's reaction to the sales figures.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;&quot;That makes FF:CC what, a little better than a lost cause to go along with the lost cause that is the gamecube&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Hypocrisy reveal thyself, thy name is gadfly. PDO sold like crap on the xbox, clearly a mistake, well, PDO sold about 90,000 copies worth in NA.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I'm not sure why you keep accusing everyone of &quot;whining&quot;, when it seems like you're the only person here that's losing their cool. Calm down man, it's only videogames...:rolleyes:</div>

Maybe I should be looking a little closer, but exactly where in those posts, do I say PDO sold great?! I leave to posters to determine whether selling 90,000 copies is selling like crap.

Once again, where do I actually say that square will be dumping the gc? This is what you're reading into what I post.

I have no problems being quoted, what I have a problem with is YOU and others claiming that what you paraphrase is what I actually said. It isn't.

As for the assumptions about mass being an angry guy, once again, that's what you're reading into my posts. You and the others have no idea whatsoever whether I'm angry, pulling your legs, or just posting to look for a reaction. And that's how I like it.
:)

[trebor]

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I just don't think so. Every month we get to see NPD sales numbers, and I don't remember seeing any of these games that we're talking about (SMB, PSO, PDO, Ikaruga - all but the Sonic games) ever make it very high on the lists.

Yeah NPD only reflects US sales, but what other sales really matter to us? Other countires not only get the games at different times, but they also get different games, period. Have you seen all the different games that they release over in Japan?!? It's NOT relative.

It's not that hard for someone to then deduce the total sales of a certain game going by the NPD monthly numbers - even if that particular game never made a list. Unfortunately, we're just gong by memory here right now as I don't know if any of us has access to those old sales numbers anymore. If anybody would though, it's slade.

One last thing, if my memory serves me correctly, not only did these Sega GC games that we're talking about not rank very high, but they also had really short tenures on the sales charts. And that's with a lot less games to compete with than PS2 or XBox! (The XBox library has seen twice as many additions to it as the GC library has, this year - I don't even want to know how many the P2 has gotten.)</div>

Well, suffice to say, if we don't have the exact numbers, neither of us has an argument to stand on. It's all conjecture and memory - both of which can be wrong.

I doubt that the game publishers could give a rip about the subtle differences between the Japanese and the NA market, or either compared to the European market. A sale is a sale, no matter how you look at it.

Lastly, most games have a short tenure on the sales charts - very much like most movies have short stints at being #1, and then get beaten down the following weekend. Only truly mega-hit titles remain on the charts for more than a month - games like Halo and Wind Waker for example, while good games like RTCW (supposedly good, that is) fall off after several weeks. Nothing new there.

[mass]

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Hello again Mass, hunched over your Apple computer in a long blond wig and stiletto heals. This wasn't General Discussion, and it wasn't a &quot;what if.&quot; It was a comparison of systems and perfectly suited to Systems Wars. Again, since you seem unable to grasp, the core point was that what SEGA did with F-Zero makes it clear that SEGA could have done PDO on GC. Xbots once proudly exclaimed only the xbox could host such a beautiful game. Xbots were wrong. If this led to some &quot;what if&quot; speculation&quot; about how SEGA would have been better off putting PDO on GC, well, that's all part of an interesting discussion.

Yet here you are again, discussing nothing of substance and calling names &quot;self-rightous&quot; &quot;mincing nancy.&quot; I mean really, man, name calling is like a spice or seasoning--it really makes this forum a lot more fun. But try to have some meat to your posts, too.</div>

Gadfly indulging in sick fantasies once again. You actually proved nothing with your post by the way. You still have no idea whether PDO could be successfully ported to the cube. Based on F-zero, give me a break. That PROVES absolutely nothing.

You're such a conceited ponce, head of the nazi etiquette police, looking to determine who's worthy of posting and who isn't. I shouldn't be posting, the game shouldn't be posting, fragmastar shouldn't be posting, who else is on your list of unworthy posters who are a waste of bandwidth.

Maybe we should go into the whole pedophelia accusations once again, and listen to your rationalizations of name-calling is name-calling. I should feel remorse for typing up STFU, but you can feel perfectly justified in accusing someone of one of the most hateful crimes around, and go around acting as if you're Mr. Clean. LOL!!

Feel free anytime to put me on your "To ignore" list, pal. You won't be hurting my feelngs.

[Renzatic Gear]

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Massimodo after replying to the cube kids on VGR.

They got pills for that, you know.

[trebor]

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Massimodo after replying to the cube kids on VGR.

They got pills for that, you know.</div>

"Fire starter. I am the fire starter."

[mass]

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Massimodo after replying to the cube kids on VGR.

They got pills for that, you know.</div>

I've got blue eyes?! Cool! I always wanted blue eyes. Anybody ask me how I can live with myself tearing into posters, I just tell them, "It's system wars, man, it's system wars."

You can't make an omelette without scrambling eggs, and you can't be an xbot without clubbing some poor baby cubers. Yeah, I know they look all cute and defenseless, but you gotta get 'em while they're still young and defenseless. Whack, whack, I prefer to think of my attacks as preventive medicine.

[Gadfly2317]

That's too funny. And I had a picture in mind already about Massi while posting--it was of Elmer Fudd, chubby little fists clenched, bald head turning red, and steam shooting out of his ears after having been one-upped by bugs bunny again.

But this was so much better. I haven't laughed this hard all week.

[mass]

<div class=\"smallfont\">That's too funny. And I had a picture in mind already about Massi while posting--it was of Elmer Fudd, chubby little fists clenched, bald head turning red, and steam shooting out of his ears after having been one-upped by bugs bunny again.

But this was so much better. I haven't laughed this hard all week.</div>

What, you didn't spit up on your screen, I'm disappointed. I mean, we're talking big laughs here.

[Gadfly2317]

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What, you didn't spit up on your screen, I'm disappointed. I mean, we're talking big laughs here.</div>

No spit; wasn't drinking, had cotten mouth. I did cough all over the monitor, if that pleases you. It probably wasn't that funny. . . but since I'd been toying around with posting a pissed-off massi cartoon, it was funny that someone beat me to it, and was so much better at it.

Anyway, its been a fun first few days at the new forum, testing the waters and the boundries of good taste. Hopefully some of the other guys show up soon and it gets back full force. It's just about time for the Hectic holiday season release schedule. If that doesn't give us something substantive to argue about (rather than my stupid "what ifs" as you put it) I don't know what will.

[Balbarian]

How can you brand all Xbox gamers as mindless orcs. I have PDO and admitidly am one of the few people that enjoy this beautifully crafted game. Though I do have to agree that the game would be good to port to the Gamecube, despite the fact that I thought that the 'Cube was getting a game by Capcom called Dead Pheonix.
P.S. you should think yourself lucky with such an aesthetically appealling game as Viewtiful Joe being released for your format.Hey!! :confused: