Who's looking forward to Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes?

[no.1gamer]

I am! That's for sure! If you haven't heard about this game let me fill you in. This is essentially the same game that Metal Gear Solid was on the Sony Playstation. However the game is being "redesigned" so that it can stand toe to toe with the other technological masterpieces of the Nintendo Gamecube.

There are 2 main reasons I am excited about Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes.

#1: MGS:TS is being designed by Silicon Knights. They are the masterminds behind Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem. I guess they have completely redone the cut scenes complete with different camera angles and voice acting. And if you've played ED you'll know that Silicon Knights has perfected this aspect of game design.

#2: The last time a "remake" was attempted our result was Resident Evil by Capcom. This game quickly became a Gamecube favorite for many Gamers. I had not played the original on the Playstation, but I guess it was equally impressive even if you had. The same is trying to be applied to MGS:TS in that even if you've already played the Playstation game you'll still enjoy this one. I haven't played the PS version of MGS:TS either though. The real beauty of this technique is that the original game is already great, therefore the remake can only be "greater" or in RE's case, "greatest."

Normally I don't care too much for the "stealth" genre but because of these 2 reasons I'm going to give MGS:TS a go. I was hoping to be playing this game right now, but it has been delayed well into next year unfortunately. But in my latest Nintendo Power, there's a side by side comparison between the PS vs. GCN versions. Wow! Of course it looks better than the Playstation graphics, but they would look impressive next to any game from this generation as well!

[ilnadmy]

I would buy it in a second, if not for one thing. When I got Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, before playing it, I went online and read up on the story to MGS1 since I played up to a point in it and then had to return the game. I figured I wouldn't play it again, so I saw no harm in reading the story. Now personally, the worst thing anyone could do to me is ruin the story of a game, movie, or novel. I thus decided not to get it.

But then came the videos. If you see some of the action in the new cutscenes.....OH MY GOD!!! Not only has the voice acting been redone, but the cutscenes are directed by a different director than Hideo Kojima...he does anime movies of some sort, and the cutscenes just reek of stylishness and class. I'm probably going to get it since it comes out next year, and I'll be done with all the games I just bought. I suppose going through the story again won't be so bad since I only played through less than half the game.

[Gadfly2317]

Mostly I'm really looking forward to this. I think a remake is a great idea (the other remake I'm looking forward to is Conker's Bad Fur Day.) Last generation, 3D just hadn't really arrived yet, everything was so grainy. So remaking some of the best games of last generation, like Resident Evil and Metal Gear is a great idea.

Thing is the first Metal Gear Solid had the best story. The Ps2 sequel had a mediocre to dissapointing story. I love the idea of making Metal Gear solid have the updated game techniques and weapons of the PS2 sequel, but still have the story of the first one. I will definitely rent.

The thing that makes me kinda sad is that Silicon Knights has stated they don't really have time to do the VR missions. I'm a big fan of the VR missions, and they are the main thing adding replay value to the game (since the main game doesn't take very long.) Love the VR missions. This game is one worth buying, but the VR missions would have really clinched the deal for me. There are a number of other 1st and 2nd qtr games that will likely be competing for my attention. And not to change the topic, but Capcom has set a date for Killer 7--June 24, 2003 (it'll probably change of course, but at least they are at the point of having a release target.)

[no.1gamer]

<div class=\"smallfont\">Mostly I'm really looking forward to this. I think a remake is a great idea (the other remake I'm looking forward to is Conker's Bad Fur Day.) Last generation, 3D just hadn't really arrived yet, everything was so grainy. So remaking some of the best games of last generation, like Resident Evil and Metal Gear is a great idea.

Thing is the first Metal Gear Solid had the best story. The Ps2 sequel had a mediocre to dissapointing story. I love the idea of making Metal Gear solid have the updated game techniques and weapons of the PS2 sequel, but still have the story of the first one. I will definitely rent.

The thing that makes me kinda sad is that Silicon Knights has stated they don't really have time to do the VR missions. I'm a big fan of the VR missions, and they are the main thing adding replay value to the game (since the main game doesn't take very long.) Love the VR missions. This game is one worth buying, but the VR missions would have really clinched the deal for me. There are a number of other 1st and 2nd qtr games that will likely be competing for my attention. And not to change the topic, but Capcom has set a date for Killer 7--June 24, 2003 (it'll probably change of course, but at least they are at the point of having a release target.)</div>

Well I never played the original Playstation game. And I don't even know what the "VR missions" are. I'm assuming that's some form of an expansion pack. I've heard the story of this game is one of it's strengths (no spoilers please). And perhaps Silicon Knights has added more content to the game ”since the main game doesn't take very long." I've heard that the REmake was significantly altered resulting in a more lengthy game. I was completely satisfied with the length of RE (on 2 discs). Perhaps MGS:TS will also cover 2 discs as well with all that nice cinema in it?

["The Game"Evolution]

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Well I never played the original Playstation game. And I don't even know what the "VR missions" are. I'm assuming that's some form of an expansion pack. I've heard the story of this game is one of it's strengths (no spoilers please). And perhaps Silicon Knights has added more content to the game ”since the main game doesn't take very long." I've heard that the REmake was significantly altered resulting in a more lengthy game. I was completely satisfied with the length of RE (on 2 discs). Perhaps MGS:TS will also cover 2 discs as well with all that nice cinema in it?</div>

The battle with Liquid Snake is a long and hard one.Other than that MGS:TS should be a great addition to the GC.Me? I'm waiting for MGS 3 next year for the PS2.Both games looks to be must buys.The "VR"Missions were cool too.

[Gadfly2317]

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Well I never played the original Playstation game. And I don't even know what the "VR missions" are. I'm assuming that's some form of an expansion pack. I've heard the story of this game is one of it's strengths (no spoilers please). And perhaps Silicon Knights has added more content to the game ”since the main game doesn't take very long." I've heard that the REmake was significantly altered resulting in a more lengthy game. I was completely satisfied with the length of RE (on 2 discs). Perhaps MGS:TS will also cover 2 discs as well with all that nice cinema in it?</div>


I'm guessing that, even cleaned up, it will still fit on one GC disc since the original fit on a 650MB disc and the GC is 1.5G.

The VR missions are like a BUNCH of minigames, like a dozen or so for each weapon, and then a whole bunch of sneaking mode VR missions. They are virtual-reality training missions that are timed. So they have huge replay value to try to improve your targeting accuracy and completion time. Very fun. I always liked these when I was wanting to working on my skills, but didn't have time to put in some serious work on the main story line.

[PapaSmurf]

I def can't wait for MGS. I just look at those screens and I want to have the game right now. I'll have lil MGathon when I get this, and then MGS3 will be out a about 6 months later.

[no.1gamer]

I def can't wait for MGS. I just look at those screens and I want to have the game right now. I'll have lil MGathon when I get this, and then MGS3 will be out a about 6 months later.

A month old?!?! Hey man this thread should stay active until the game is finally released. Then we'll have to start a new one for first impressions. The screenshots indeed look sweet. I'm a MGS noob, so this will be my first Metal Gear experience.

[Cuddly Knife]

Twin Snakes looks like it'll be cool. I hope that there are some extra areas for the people that have already beaten it on the PS1. It doesn't have to be much, just like how they added a tiny bit O' stuff on Resident Evil. Anyone know if there is going to be GBA connectivity? Hopefully not. There better be something though if they aren't going to put VR in there.

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

I'm definitely looking forward to this game. I will finally have a reason to unpack my GC.

I hope there's no connectivity. That idea needs to be put to sleep, for all of Nintendo's games.

I will probably be one of the few who will not miss the VR missions. Besides getting a feel for the control layout for the game, they really never served (me) any purpose.

My only concern is about the additional FMV for the game and their length. IMO, Kojima kind of goes overboard with the length of his FMVs, but with Snake being the only playable character for this one, I may not mind.

[Cuddly Knife]

My only concern is about the additional FMV for the game and their length. IMO, Kojima kind of goes overboard with the length of his FMVs, but with Snake being the only playable character for this one, I may not mind
I never minded the FMV in Metal Gear Solid games, it was the crappy codex conversations that would grate my nerves. Litterally hours of it, on both Sons of Liberty and the original on the PS1. Mmmmm, I can't wait for my re-match with Vulcan Raven! I never did beat his ass on Very Hard for the original PS1 game.
Does anyone know if Metal Gear Solid 3 is going to be ported onto the GCN?

Here's another Q that I was thinking about the other day. If part 3 is going to be Big Boss, shouldn't they have changed the main name of the game away from something that has Solid in it, since Solid is reffering to Solid Snake and not the original Big Boss? OR maybe there's just more to the story that we don't know yet......Kojima is a freak.

[no.1gamer]

I've heard that the story of Metal Gear Solid is one of its best characteristics. That must be why so many websites and magazines are infatuated with the computer generated cut scenes. Again I haven't played the game yet so please don't post any spoilers. I for one rather enjoy lengthy cut scenes in a video game (ala Eternal Darkness).

Can't......wait......to......play......M...e...t.. .a...l......G...e...a...r......S...o...l...i...d.. .

:)

[Gadfly2317]

I've heard that the story of Metal Gear Solid is one of its best characteristics. That must be why so many websites and magazines are infatuated with the computer generated cut scenes. Again I haven't played the game yet so please don't post any spoilers. I for one rather enjoy lengthy cut scenes in a video game (ala Eternal Darkness).

Can't......wait......to......play......M...e...t.. .a...l......G...e...a...r......S...o...l...i...d.. .

:)


You are going to LOVE THIS GAME. This is not a spoiler, but its really cool when you figure out that your cigarette smoking actually comes in handy for something. This was one of my favorite games on the PS1. I'm looking forward to playing it, but will probably rent. . . I want to play it with the new graphics and updated tactics, but I don't know if I feel the need to go all the way through it again.

[PapaSmurf]

The Ciggies are worth something???????

*gets PS2 out and pops in Metal Gear Solid*

Sorry this is just something I gotta find out

[no.1gamer]

This was one of my favorite games on the PS1. I'm looking forward to playing it, but will probably rent. . . I want to play it with the new graphics and updated tactics, but I don't know if I feel the need to go all the way through it again.

Well if this game resembles the REmake you will want to play through it again. We'll have to wait and see.

[Cuddly Knife]

The Ciggies are worth something???????

*gets PS2 out and pops in Metal Gear Solid*

Sorry this is just something I gotta find out
Of course you use the cigs for something! You can't advance in the game if you don't!....I think...

Someone also mentioned how they enjoyed the long-ish cut scenes on Eternal Darkness....I liked them too, especially the one that starts off the mission for the African-American guy(I can't remember his name). Did anyone else notice how some of the cut-scenes looked like they were chopped up a bit? They just seemed to end so abruptly. Especially in the final battle.

[no.1gamer]

I really like the lengthy cut scenes because it breaks up the gameplay. It's a great way to tell the next part of the story line. I can't understand how people don't like long computer generated cut scenes in video games. I mean you like the special effects in Star Wars and Lord of the Rings right? Well it's the same stuff. In fact the computer graphics are even movie theater calibur in several games.

[PapaSmurf]

Some people just aren't reasonable and when they can't find anything bad in a game lengthy cut scenes are always a way to knock it down. Not that people who enjoy the game care...

[GameLegend]

I love this game.
I played the original on the PSX and loved it ever since 1999.
Not too long after i finished the game (took me 3 school days) my little cousin decides to play PSX - alone, without telling us, and the next thing we know, its broken. GRRR...i dont know how he could destroy the system so quickly?


For you people who have NOT played the game yet but are going to, DO NOT, i repeat DO NOT watch the trailers to this game. I have both of them, one a 5 min one, and the other a 30 mins. THey will spoil some of the best elements of this game. This is the first thing i m getting my hands on, in march.

LOL, i was going to start a similar forum of this today....g@mer u beat me to it!

[no.1gamer]

I love this game.
I played the original on the PSX and loved it ever since 1999.
Not too long after i finished the game (took me 3 school days) my little cousin decides to play PSX - alone, without telling us, and the next thing we know, its broken. GRRR...i dont know how he could destroy the system so quickly?


For you people who have NOT played the game yet but are going to, DO NOT, i repeat DO NOT watch the trailers to this game. I have both of them, one a 5 min one, and the other a 30 mins. THey will spoil some of the best elements of this game. This is the first thing i m getting my hands on, in march.

LOL, i was going to start a similar forum of this today....g@mer u beat me to it!

Hey, thanks for the advise Legend. I'll make sure to avoid the trailers. Hopefully this game brings Metal Gear Solid to a new level like the REmake did to Resident Evil. That way you guys can enjoy it as much as a noob like myself.

["The Game"Evolution]

Hey, thanks for the advise Legend. I'll make sure to avoid the trailers. Hopefully this game brings Metal Gear Solid to a new level like the REmake did to Resident Evil. That way you guys can enjoy it as much as a noob like myself.

Sorry but ummm how can any of you badmouth any ports to any other console when you guys are getting all giddy about a old PSX port of a game that everyone has played and beaten back in the 32-bit console war? I guess it doesnt take much to please GC owners.

Other than that Twin Snakes just make be all that and a bag of Grippo's for GC owners.Me? I'm waiting for the REAL Metal Gear Solid:Snake-eater for the PS2.

[trebor]

Sorry but ummm how can any of you badmouth any ports to any other console when you guys are getting all giddy about a old PSX port of a game that everyone has played and beaten back in the 32-bit console war? I guess it doesnt take much to please GC owners.

Other than that Twin Snakes just make be all that and a bag of Grippo's for GC owners.Me? I'm waiting for the REAL Metal Gear Solid:Snake-eater for the PS2.

Quit trolling the Gamecube board, Reggie Moody. >8(

["The Game"Evolution]

Quit trolling the Gamecube board, Reggie Moody. >8(

I made a statement about MGS:TS being nothing more than an old dated PSX port with a coat of paint.And that it'll be nothing really compared to the upcoming MGS3 for the PS2.That is what my reply was about.Cant you stick to videogame topics without having to stoop so low as to resort to personal attacks? Grow up Trebor.

[Robert-The-Rambler]

Quit trolling the Gamecube board, Reggie Moody. >8(

In other words stop the BS. <>__<>

[trebor]

In other words stop the BS. <>__<>

You got it!

["The Game"Evolution]

You got it!

Enlighten me.So far from what I've seen from it the cutscences are about the only thing that looks to be different this time around.Other than that its the same PSX game that I remember.

[trebor]

Enlighten me.So far from what I've seen from it the cutscences are about the only thing that looks to be different this time around.Other than that its the same PSX game that I remember.

Well, honestly, I actually owned MGS when I owned a PS1, got half-way through the game, stopped playing, and never got around to finishing the game. Then I sold my PS1 when I got my GC - so then I especially didn't finish it.

So in other words, I'm going to buy it because I'll now have a chance to complete it - except with the better graphics, mechanics, and controls that are in the remake. Is that a acceptable enough answer for you?

[Deathstroke]

If he actually believes that cutscenes are the only thing that are different in this remake, he needs to go read some more about the game.

[no.1gamer]

If he actually believes that cutscenes are the only thing that are different in this remake, he needs to go read some more about the game.

Seriously, Evolution. This is pretty sad, even for you. Metal Gear Solid is being completely overhauled from the ground up. The cut-scenes, in-game graphics, gameplay and 3D environments are all going to be radically different. I've heard that even the storyline will differ slightly from the original. At least do some research on this game before bashing it.

[Deathstroke]

Seriously, Evolution. This is pretty sad, even for you.

Nah, actually it isn't considering this was the same guy that said Metroid Prime and Super Mario Sunshine sucked after playing them for 10 minutes at the local EB. The same guy that said that the DOA2 was never released for the arcades. The same guy that thinks that N64 and PSX weren't in competition with each other because one was a 32 bit system and the other was a 64 bit system.

I wouldn't put anything past him.

And oh yeah, Billy Hatcher got a 6.0.

[trebor]

Nah, actually it isn't considering this was the same guy that said Metroid Prime and Super Mario Sunshine sucked after playing them for 10 minutes at the local EB. The same guy that said that the DOA2 was never released for the arcades. The same guy that thinks that N64 and PSX weren't in competition with each other because one was a 32 bit system and the other was a 64 bit system.

I wouldn't put anything past him.

And oh yeah, Billy Hatcher got a 6.0.

Well, in The Game's defense, it IS rather difficult to play Metroid Prime or Super Mario Sunshine if you happen to smash your Gamecube with a sledgehammer before you actually play it. :p

[Gadfly2317]

Enlighten me.So far from what I've seen from it the cutscences are about the only thing that looks to be different this time around.Other than that its the same PSX game that I remember.

I feel people were calling you a troll because you were bringing the mutli-system discussion into the gamecube forum with your initial post, and because since you do nothing but bash cube and don't own one, your posts are generally more appropriate in systems wars. It's hard to believe you are actually interested in this game with an open mind to possibly playing it. It seems like you've made up your mind already.

But since you asked a really good question, I'll treat you as a curious visitor to the friendly Gamecube forum.

What has many people excited about this Remake is that the Metal Gear Solid on the PS1 has so far been the best. The Ps2 sequel was widely regarded as highly dissapointing in the story department. What WAS great about the Ps2 Metal Gear was the sweet graphics and some of the new moves, like dangling from rails.

What we're getting is not just the old Metal Gear with a fresh coat of paint in terms of better graphics. Yes, the graphics are said to be even better than the Ps2 metal gear. But it IS the original game, with many redisigned levels and all the weapons and all the new moves of the PS2 sequel. New games are a dime a dozen, but totally polishing a classic with all the latest technology is a labor of love, and true fans of this game will appreciate it.

Remakes are actually very rare in gaming. Most games are just sequels of hits, and are a lot of times inferior to the original, even if they have better graphics. Think of it in terms of cars. You could be a new mustang, but often what is cooler is to see someone take an old '67 mustang and trick it out.

[no.1gamer]

What has many people excited about this Remake...

We're also excited because it's being designed by Silicon Knights. The gaming masterminds who brought us Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem. And unfortunately for you they will never design a game for the PS2 or Xbox.

Admit it Evolution, if this game was an Xbox exclusive you'd be pissing in your pants with anticipation.

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

We're also excited because it's being designed by Silicon Knights. The gaming masterminds who brought us Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem. And unfortunately for you they will never design a game for the PS2 or Xbox.



I like Silicon Knights, but there is no way a developer can be considered gaming materminds after making one game. Not even after two (Silicon also made Blood Omen 1 for PS1). Even after Twin Snakes, they can't be considered masterminds, not until they develop more (original) games.

Maybe if they were able to break Nintendo's chained leash, they could make more games.

[no.1gamer]

I like Silicon Knights, but there is no way a developer can be considered gaming materminds after making one game. Not even after two (Silicon also made Blood Omen 1 for PS1). Even after Twin Snakes, they can't be considered masterminds, not until they develop more (original) games.

Maybe if they were able to break Nintendo's chained leash, they could make more games.

Actually Silicon Knights has made several games in the past for the PC among other platforms. But they now design games exclusively for the Gamecube. I believe they are 2nd party to Nintendo now. Perhaps they are not gaming masterminds but they certainly are an enviable developer.

And I would consider Eternal Darkness the game that did break Silicon Knights free from "Nintendo's chained leash."

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

Actually Silicon Knights has made several games in the past for the PC among other platforms. But they now design games exclusively for the Gamecube. I believe they are 2nd party to Nintendo now. Perhaps they are not gaming masterminds but they certainly are an enviable developer.

And I would consider Eternal Darkness the game that did break Silicon Knights free from "Nintendo's chained leash."

If the devs at Silicon Knights are free from Nintendo's chained leash, how come they are only making one game every once in a while? Where is the Too Human game that was originally going to be released on PS1? I'll tell you where. Since SK are 2nd party devs to Nintendo, they have to release the game when Nintendo wants them to, and it appears Nintendo is keeping the game "on a leash" until Nintendo releases their next game console (unless it's suddenly announced at E3). That's the main reason I consider SK on a leash, and that's too bad, considering they have shown some good work (Blood Omen 1, ED and the upcoming Twin Snakes). If Silicon Knights were a 2nd party to either Sony or MS, I'm pretty sure they would have a lot more quality games out for the current game systems.

[Gadfly2317]

If the devs at Silicon Knights are free from Nintendo's chained leash, how come they are only making one game every once in a while? Where is the Too Human game that was originally going to be released on PS1? I'll tell you where. Since SK are 2nd party devs to Nintendo, they have to release the game when Nintendo wants them to, and it appears Nintendo is keeping the game "on a leash" until Nintendo releases their next game console (unless it's suddenly announced at E3). That's the main reason I consider SK on a leash, and that's too bad, considering they have shown some good work (Blood Omen 1, ED and the upcoming Twin Snakes). If Silicon Knights were a 2nd party to either Sony or MS, I'm pretty sure they would have a lot more quality games out for the current game systems.

They release games when Nintendo "wants" them to? Nintendo "wanted" them to release Eternal Darkness close to system launch, but they couldn't get it done. I see no evidence they are on "a leash." The reason they don't have a bunch of games coming out all the time is that they are just one small development company. You think if they had all these great games nearly ready that Nintendo would have some reason to squash them?

Just to illustrate the point, what you are saying is that Microsoft must keep Bungie "on a leash" because they've only put out one game for the xbox, and they only other game on the horizon is a sequel of their first game. They're on a leash because they weren't allowed to do something new, only rehash their big hit.

Or Rare, people always said we'd see great things from them once they got off Nintendo's "leash." But then, couldn't we say they are on Microsoft's leash? Only one game "allowed" to be released and all those other supposedly nearly complete games like Kameo, the Kart Racer, and Conker: Live and Uncut Microsoft has cancelled so they could force Rare to work on Perfect Dark 0 for xbox 2's launch (since there is no way Bungie could have a Halo 3 ready for launch.)

Nintendo does work closely with second parties, and they do provide feedback, so maybe that's the "leash" you are referring to. Miyamoto himself has been involved with Silicon Knights in the development of Metal Gear the Twin Snakes, and as far as I'm concerned that's a GOOD thing. Nintendo has provided great direction to its second parties. Look at how "FUN" Rare's first release (ghoulies) was after Rare lost Nintendo's "leash" and got on MS's.

Twin Snakes is going to be amazing.

[Rogue Bounty Hunter]

When talking about Silicon Knights and the leash they appear to be on, it's mainly due to the fact that the game I'm referring to (Too Human) was either finished or almost finished for the PS1 when Nintendo purchased the development company. After that, it was suppose to come out for the N64, Gamecube, and more than likely, the next Nintendo system. How come Nintendo doesn't let SK finish the game and release it for the current system? Why hold it back a few more years? By the time the game is finally "officially announced with release date" the gameplay will either be stale, or someone else will beat them to the punch on the idea of the game.

And about Twin Snakes, it should definitely be a good game. It would be nice if Kojima could be more involved with the game rather than Miyamoto, since MGS is Kojima's baby. Unfortunately, he's probably too involved with MGS3: Snake Eater. Maybe Miyamota being involved with a game such as MGS will (hopefully) broaden his gaming ideas, such as making a game for this certain age crowd, and making another for a different age crowd (instead of the this game for everybody, that game for everybody concept).

About Bungie: As far as I know, Bungie is supposed to be working on a title that has nothing to do with the Halo universe. There will probably be litle info about it until after Halo 2's release though.

[no.1gamer]

The first review is in. Game Informer gave MGS:TTS a 92.5% rating. Not to bad at all. I just wish I could check out their review. I guess we'll have to stay tuned for the slew of other reviews to start coming in.

["The Game"Evolution]

We're also excited because it's being designed by Silicon Knights. The gaming masterminds who brought us Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem. And unfortunately for you they will never design a game for the PS2 or Xbox.

Admit it Evolution, if this game was an Xbox exclusive you'd be pissing in your pants with anticipation.

This game is nothing but the original MGS game.The same models are simply painted over to give a fresh new look.Everything else is the same.If this was an Xbox exclusive I would say the same thing that I'm saying now.MGS:TS will be a breath of fresh air to those thats never played the original.But to those that has been there and done that before like I have thanks but no thanks.

If you guys choose to go crazy over this be my guess.I wont stand in your way.But I see this game for what it is:The original PSX classic with a makeover.Thats it.

[no.1gamer]

This game is nothing but the original MGS game.The same models are simply painted over to give a fresh new look.Everything else is the same.If this was an Xbox exclusive I would say the same thing that I'm saying now.MGS:TS will be a breath of fresh air to those thats never played the original.But to those that has been there and done that before like I have thanks but no thanks.

If you guys choose to go crazy over this be my guess.I wont stand in your way.But I see this game for what it is:The original PSX classic with a makeover.Thats it.

Well, whatever you think "this game is" it got a 92.5% in Game Informer. I don't think a PS port of MGS would get a 92.5% from Game Informer. We'll have to wait and see what the rest of the reviews look like won't we Evolution...

["The Game"Evolution]

Well, whatever you think "this game is" it got a 92.5% in Game Informer. I don't think a PS port of MGS would get a 92.5% from Game Informer. We'll have to wait and see what the rest of the reviews look like won't we Evolution...

And by the way thats 9.25% The first MGS for the PSX was a great game.I'm not taking anything away from that.But lets face it MGS:TS is the exact same game.Only difference? Everything is drawn over,new music score has been added,and new and fresh voices as well.Other than that whats new about it? Nothing.But like I said if you guys want to go crazy over a PSX port of a game then thats on you.

It wont be any surprise if this game gets great reviews.Not at all.But real gamers can clearly see what this game is REALLY about.You choose not to see it for what it is.And thats your right to do so.

["The Game"Evolution]

Seriously, Evolution. This is pretty sad, even for you. Metal Gear Solid is being completely overhauled from the ground up. The cut-scenes, in-game graphics, gameplay and 3D environments are all going to be radically different. I've heard that even the storyline will differ slightly from the original. At least do some research on this game before bashing it.

MGS:TS in reality is the original MGS with a makeover.Its as simple as that.This isnt a brand new MGS game built from the ground up.MGS3:Snake-Eater coming for the PS2 IS a brand new game built from the ground up.MGS:TS is a old dated 32-bit Playstation game with a facelift.I've done my research on the game.Yes alot of things on the surface will be different in the game.But underneath its still the same game I just mentioned.

I'm not bashing it,I'm simply telling you what you already know.You just dont want to admit to it.But thats all good no1gamer.

["The Game"Evolution]

Well, in The Game's defense, it IS rather difficult to play Metroid Prime or Super Mario Sunshine if you happen to smash your Gamecube with a sledgehammer before you actually play it. :p

Great words from someone that only owns a GC compared to someone like me that owns a PS2 & an Xbox.Good one.(Besides at least I've played both Prime and Sunshine before I gave my critique on them) (Can you say the same about the majority of PS2/Xbox titles you bash on a daily basis? I dont think so)

[Deathstroke]

Does anybody else find the monkey's views a bit hypocritical when the following link is taken into consideration:

http://forums.videogamereview.com/showthread.php?t=2020

[PapaSmurf]

That sure as hell is hypocritical. Its also hilarious.

And he was talking about how he'd say the same thing about TS if it was coming to the XBOX.

[GameLegend]

I often see u use that term "real gamer"
Game Evolution please tell me what a real gamer is because frankly we must not be real gamers

But real gamers can clearly see what this game is REALLY about.You choose not to see it for what it is.And thats your right to do so.

Because i thought a "gamer" was a person who well..plays video games...i didnt know there was so much more to that. I suppose we are all fake gamers because "choose not to see it(MGS twin snakes) for what it is"

["The Game"Evolution]

I often see u use that term "real gamer"
Game Evolution please tell me what a real gamer is because frankly we must not be real gamers

Because i thought a "gamer" was a person who well..plays video games...i didnt know there was so much more to that. I suppose we are all fake gamers because "choose not to see it(MGS twin snakes) for what it is"

I'm all ears.

["The Game"Evolution]

That sure as hell is hypocritical. Its also hilarious.

And he was talking about how he'd say the same thing about TS if it was coming to the XBOX.

None of you has yet to do so.Not you,GameLegend,or Deathstroke for that matter.I guess none of you can explain why.

[Gadfly2317]

I'm all ears.

You are not "all ears." You have been told in three different forums the details of this game and exactly what's been done to it. It is an innovative concept that has never been done before. . .take a five year old classic game and completely REMAKE it using all the technology, weaponry, moves of later games in the series. There is an extensive list of significant renovations. . . just go read the IGN articles on the topic. This would not be a GOTM of it were just an old PS1 game with some slight graphics tweaks as you keep LYING ABOUT.

So yes, YOU ARE TROLLING when you come to the gamecube forum making statements you know are lies, just trying to stir up crap. You are not just "expressing your opinion" you are making intentional and blatant false statements. What kind of diseased bug are you that has nothing better to do than troll boards for systems you don't own and try to spread lies and stir up flame wars? The arguing is for Systems Wars, not for a non-GC owner to come to the GC forum just to spread lies about games he knows nothing about. I hope all this talk about you getting banned again plays out. To sweeten the deal. . . .if the mods ban you I will make a significant donation to literacy programs in my community as a show of gratitude.

[Robert-The-Rambler]

You are not "all ears." You have been told in three different forums the details of this game and exactly what's been done to it. It is an innovative concept that has never been done before. . .take a five year old classic game and completely REMAKE it using all the technology, weaponry, moves of later games in the series. There is an extensive list of significant renovations. . . just go read the IGN articles on the topic. This would not be a GOTM of it were just an old PS1 game with some slight graphics tweaks as you keep LYING ABOUT.

So yes, YOU ARE TROLLING when you come to the gamecube forum making statements you know are lies, just trying to stir up crap. You are not just "expressing your opinion" you are making intentional and blatant false statements. What kind of diseased bug are you that has nothing better to do than troll boards for systems you don't own and try to spread lies and stir up flame wars? The arguing is for Systems Wars, not for a non-GC owner to come to the GC forum just to spread lies about games he knows nothing about. I hope all this talk about you getting banned again plays out. To sweeten the deal. . . .if the mods ban you I will make a significant donation to literacy programs in my community as a show of gratitude.

Is saying what you said going to improve the situation any??? Then why are you doing it?

[GameLegend]

None of you has yet to do so.Not you,GameLegend,or Deathstroke for that matter.

This is just getting pathetic.

I guess none of you can explain why
Its been explained to you a million times! "You choose not to see it for what it is"

By the way game evolution, u still havent answered my question. :)

[Deathstroke]

Is saying what you said going to improve the situation any??? Then why are you doing it?

Preventative medication. :D

Actually, while this is a public forum and anyone can post anywhere they want, you can see that Game's whole existance in this thread has been to stir up falsehoods about a game that people have been discussing. Maybe, you should do something that Ancalagon had to do a long time ago and make it perfectly clear to the Game that stirring up flame wars on these boards is not appreciated.

http://forums.videogamereview.com/html/vgr/03.02/0EED4E50.php
http://forums.videogamereview.com/html/vgr/03.02/0EF0E9A5.php

Second link has all the good stuff and for reference, Mr Monday Night was the Game's alias back then.

["The Game"Evolution]

Preventative medication. :D

Actually, while this is a public forum and anyone can post anywhere they want, you can see that Game's whole existance in this thread has been to stir up falsehoods about a game that people have been discussing. Maybe, you should do something that Ancalagon had to do a long time ago and make it perfectly clear to the Game that stirring up flame wars on these boards is not appreciated.

http://forums.videogamereview.com/html/vgr/03.02/0EED4E50.php
http://forums.videogamereview.com/html/vgr/03.02/0EF0E9A5.php

Second link has all the good stuff and for reference, Mr Monday Night was the Game's alias back then.

All I did was throw in my two cents on an upcoming game for the GC.Thats all I did.I've said on many occassions that the game appears to be a must have for GC owners.And for those that hasnt played the original MGS should really enjoy this.And for those that has played the original it may be nothing new to them.Yes I've also said that IMO this game appears to be nothing but the original with a coat of paint on it.

I didnt come here to stir up anything.Its not my fault that some of you can dish it but you sure as hell are wussies when it comes to taking it.Plus am I the one that stirred up flame wars around here? I am not the guilty party here.Not by a long shot.Its like this if some of you have a problem with the things I say then say so.

Other than that some of you need to stop acting like children and stand up for what you believe in instead of running to the mods to wipe your noses because someone chooses to stand and debate with you instead of running the other way.Real brave thread from someone that chooses to hide behind the ignore list.

["The Game"Evolution]

This is just getting pathetic.


Its been explained to you a million times! "You choose not to see it for what it is"

By the way game evolution, u still havent answered my question. :)

And I do believe that I've answered anything you've asked me.If I havent then present the question and I'll answer it.Other than that I agree with you on one note:This is just getting pathetic.

[Gadfly2317]

Is saying what you said going to improve the situation any??? Then why are you doing it?

Good point. I hate the "report post" button, but I guess someone else already gave him the respect of asking him directly to stop trolling and he just ignored it. I guess I was just wasting my time. I just need to get used to the fact that he will flagrantly ignore all forum guidelines and that this is apparently fine and acceptable and will be allowed to continue ad naseum.

I know I could put him on the ignore list, but it makes the threads choppy, and I'm of the opinion that bogus statements should be refuted.

[Gadfly2317]

[QUOTE="The Game"Evolution]All I did was throw in my two cents on an upcoming game for the GC.Thats all I did.I've said on many occassions that the game appears to be a must have for GC owners.And for those that hasnt played the original MGS should really enjoy this.And for those that has played the original it may be nothing new to them.Yes I've also said that IMO this game appears to be nothing but the original with a coat of paint on it.
QUOTE]

Hey victim, mr "all I did was throw my 2 cents". . . you know, you've done this up in sys wars, and you brought the same exact post to the GC forum? Why? You don't own a GC, so do you really closely follow the what's being done in development for GC games?

See, you could've just given your "opinion" in one post, but you've chose to come here and argue that this game is exactly the same with just some merely updated graphics, "the fresh coat of paint" as you call it. If this is your opinion, what is it based on? Care to provide a link to a review that says that? Because everyone has directed you to real information about whats been done to this game, and you ignore it, pretend you haven't heard all the stuff that's been done to this game, and keep posting over and over in the GC forum the lie that this is the same as the PS1 game. That isn't an opinion, that's you coming here to stir up arguments in what in a board where people come to talk positively and intelligently about GC games.

If you want to trash talk about how Xbox ports of PS2 games are more worthy of purchase than a complete reworking of an old classic, then that is clearly a systems wars debate, and you know it, so quit playing "poor me" whiny victim here.

["The Game"Evolution]

[QUOTE="The Game"Evolution]All I did was throw in my two cents on an upcoming game for the GC.Thats all I did.I've said on many occassions that the game appears to be a must have for GC owners.And for those that hasnt played the original MGS should really enjoy this.And for those that has played the original it may be nothing new to them.Yes I've also said that IMO this game appears to be nothing but the original with a coat of paint on it.
QUOTE]

Hey victim, mr "all I did was throw my 2 cents". . . you know, you've done this up in sys wars, and you brought the same exact post to the GC forum? Why? You don't own a GC, so do you really closely follow the what's being done in development for GC games? Your words.

See, you could've just given your "opinion" in one post, but you've chose to come here and argue that this game is exactly the same with just some merely updated graphics, "the fresh coat of paint" as you call it. If this is your opinion, what is it based on? Care to provide a link to a review that says that? Because everyone has directed you to real information about whats been done to this game, and you ignore it, pretend you haven't heard all the stuff that's been done to this game, and keep posting over and over in the GC forum the lie that this is the same as the PS1 game. That isn't an opinion, that's you coming here to stir up arguments in what in a board where people come to talk positively and intelligently about GC games.

If you want to trash talk about how Xbox ports of PS2 games are more worthy of purchase than a complete reworking of an old classic, then that is clearly a systems wars debate, and you know it, so quit playing "poor me" whiny victim here.

Well,alot of Sony milk drinkers act like they know what they're talking about when it comes to Xbox games so why not throw GC owners a bone on an issue? Yes I know some of you feels like I've violated your sacred GC forum.Gimme a break.This forum needed some life.But dont worry I wont argue on this issue anymore since some of you are getting so emotional about it.

[trebor]

Good point. I hate the "report post" button, but I guess someone else already gave him the respect of asking him directly to stop trolling and he just ignored it. I guess I was just wasting my time. I just need to get used to the fact that he will flagrantly ignore all forum guidelines and that this is apparently fine and acceptable and will be allowed to continue ad naseum.

I know I could put him on the ignore list, but it makes the threads choppy, and I'm of the opinion that bogus statements should be refuted.

Don't worry too much about "The Game". After he reported me for post # 22 in this thread, I got to talking with Lara. Suffice to say, the mods are NOT as dumb as "The Game" would like to believe and they are well aware of his shenanigens.

I just have to assume that the more "The Game" continues his trolling and such, the closer he is to becoming permanently banned.

[no.1gamer]

I just have to assume that the more "The Game" continues his trolling and such, the closer he is to becoming permanently banned.

I don't really want evolution to be permanently banned, I just want him to stop acting like an @$$.

Evolution, it isn't necessary to bring System Wars flames into the GCN forum and you know it. This thread is for Gamecube owners who are looking forward to MGS:TTS. I know because I made up the title. You don't own a Gamecube, therefore you are not looking forward to MGS:TTS.

Myself or someone else will start a thread titled, "Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes First Impressions" soon. I expect that you will not post in that thread Evolution.

["The Game"Evolution]

Don't worry too much about "The Game". After he reported me for post # 22 in this thread, I got to talking with Lara. Suffice to say, the mods are NOT as dumb as "The Game" would like to believe and they are well aware of his shenanigens.

I just have to assume that the more "The Game" continues his trolling and such, the closer he is to becoming permanently banned.

You actually think I intend to be permanately banned this time out? You clearly underestimate me.

[trebor]

You actually think I intend to be permanately banned this time out? You clearly underestimate me.

I don't think the mods care about what you intend - they make their judgements on the actions of the poster, not their intentions or "thoughts". And clearly, you overestimate yourself, but whatever.

Since you mentioned it, what exactly are your intentions for trolling the Gamecube forum?

["The Game"Evolution]

I don't think the mods care about what you intend - they make their judgements on the actions of the poster, not their intentions or "thoughts". And clearly, you overestimate yourself, but whatever.

Since you mentioned it, what exactly are your intentions for trolling the Gamecube forum?

I'm here only to spread news concerning the Gamecube.


http://gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/589712.asp

MGS:TS had an Overall rating of 87.5% Thats good.(But Ninja Gaiden's was 94.5%) Dont hate Trebor.

[GameLegend]

I'm here only to spread news concerning the Gamecube.


Aww what a good honest citizen, i guess you are just a victim of society.



MGS:TS had an Overall rating of 87.5% Thats good.(But Ninja Gaiden's was 94.5%)

I bet that just made your day :)

["The Game"Evolution]

Aww what a good honest citizen, i guess you are just a victim of society.

I bet that just made your day :)

Actually seeing FF:CC barely getting over 80% made my day even more than seeing the rating that MGS:TS had gotten.But thanks for asking.

[Gadfly2317]

Aww what a good honest citizen, i guess you are just a victim of society.


I bet that just made your day :)

"good honest citizen!" That one was off the sarcasm meter.

The guy really is just trolling again. . . coming to GC Forum to post scores of Metal Gear Vs Ninja Gaiden. If GC (Metal Gear) scores VS Xbox (Ninja Gaiden) isn't a system's wars topic, I don't know what is. I don't quite see the point in comparing stealth games to Action games in the first place. Have any PS2 or GC fans ever gone over the xbox forum to do something like "just provide information" on Grabbed by the Ghoulies and talk about how Rare is doing on Xbox compared to when they were receiving guidance from Nintendo?

I'd have reported the post, but he's thankfully on my ignore list--but unfortunately still get to see some of his stuff when you quote him. He ignores warnings, and he ignores forum guidelines, but I guess if the mods are ok with leaving an insect floating in the punch bowl, maybe there should be new forum guidelines posted.