What are Mac people doing here?!? [Archive]

stevedperkins

08-25-2003, 10:13 PM

I think it's kind of funny to see PC gamers come in and talk smack on the System Wars forum. I mean, it's all fine and well... this board has merged with a PC gaming board now, and I certainly do a good bit of PC gaming myself. However, it still seems kind of strange to me because I can't really imagine arguing over whether consoles or PC's are better... that's like comparing apples and oranges, they just don't really compete head-to-head. The kinds of games I like for consoles (Mario-type "kiddie" stuff and sports) just doesn't work well on the PC, and the games I like for PC (resource-gathering strategy like C&C, Warcraft, etc) just don't translate well to the console world. I like both platforms, just in different ways and for different things.

However, the one thing they have in common is that they both make more sense to own than an Apple box. A Macintosh excels in one (and only one area), graphics design software. Even this does not really have anything to do with the hardware itself or the software available for it... but rather with the fact that graphic design guys are generally too stoned to use a mouse with more than one button on it, and who care more for how pretty a computer looks on the outside than how it runs.

You can debate the x86 architecture vs the Gx all day long... how it takes more megahertz on one architecture to match the performance of a different number on the other architecture. When the smoke clears and the dust settles, however, the fact remains that you'll pay twice as much to get the same raw power from a Mac as you would a PC.

Even if you can get a Mac disciple to acknowledge this, they retreat to the tired old "Windows has blue-screens" argument. Number one, any Mac disciple who claims that they never get kernal panics too is an outrageous liar. Number two, this argument comes from the days of Windows 95/98 and needs to be brought up-to-speed with the current millenium... I haven't had a blue-screen since I moved to Windows 2000, and I'm told that XP is even more stable. The only person I've ever met who's had a blue-screen on Windows 2000 was a guy who has every oddball peripheral on the planet (scanner, DVD burner, combination printer/photocopier), and ran into driver compatability problems. That does suck for him, but at least he has the CHOICE to use all that stuff... it's easy to talk smack about driver compatibility when you have 5% of the choices in peripherals to select from.

Speaking of choice, that brings us to the most laughable Mac limitation of them all... the tiny selection of software available for the platform. It says alot when I walk into CompUSA and see that in the Mac section they have an entire shelf dedicated to stacking copies of a Windows emulator. Why is it that the PC market doesn't seem to feel the need for a Mac emulator? Oh well, maybe CompUSA needs SOMETHING to fill the shelves with... since there isn't enough Mac games available to fill a shoebox.

Higher costs, less software, and the illusion of greater stablity made possible by fewer choices in peripherals and drivers. I tell you what... if anyone is seriously considering a Mac purchase, please just give me a shout. I'll be glad to buy a $1,000 Dell, paint the case neon torquoise, and ship it to you in exchange for putting $3,000 in my Paypal account. I'll even throw in an iPod.

Darwin

08-25-2003, 10:29 PM

And she plays games all the time on it. Number munchers. Solitaire. Monopoly. Oregon Trail. Shoot, she plays games almost more than I do.

Mac Gaming: The gaming for gamers who let their mom pick out their games.

PC Gaming: The gaming for gamers who don't play games because their games won't pl..a..y ...... [Error, updated driver needed].

Renzatic Gear

08-25-2003, 10:32 PM

Couldn't have said it better myself, Steve. My personal experience with Mac users hasn't been a very pleasant one....snobby sonsa*****es.

Wow, I've finally found my bias.

Anyway, it is possible to compare some aspects of consoles to the PC world and vise versa. You can argue over ease of use, home theatre setups vs. desktop speaker quality and just about anything else you can manage to dig up. The Xbox only makes this argument easier simply because it now shares a major chunk of its library with the PC.

stevedperkins

08-25-2003, 10:41 PM

Anyway, it is possible to compare some aspects of consoles to the PC world and vise versa. You can argue over ease of use, home theatre setups vs. desktop speaker quality and just about anything else you can manage to dig up. The Xbox only makes this argument easier simply because it now shares a major chunk of its library with the PC.

Ehh, the XBox overlaps the PC only in certain genres... shooters/action/fighting, sports, and simulators. For strategy games, I'll always take my keyboard and mouse over a controller... no matter HOW many buttons you can squeeze onto the thing. Halo, Knights of the Old Republic, etc... there's no point in buying the PC version if you have an XBox. However, games like C&C, Warcraft, SimCity, that kind of strategy genre where TOO much emphasis on graphics and sound actually takes away from the gameplay... I'll always prefer to Kaza... er, um, go to CompUSA and purchase them for the PC.

Fragmastar

08-26-2003, 07:35 AM

<div class=\"smallfont\">there isn't enough Mac games available to fill a shoebox.</div>

Yeah and your point is?

Of course, Mac doesn't supply enough games but it makes up for that by helping a lot of customers with work, arranging different user names, etc.

I'll bet a million bucks that Windows copied Mac's idea of arranging different user names and applied it to Windows XP. ;)

BTW, just to correct Darwin's theories:

Mac gaming: The gaming for 'gamers' who work hard but don't play hard.

PC gaming: The gaming for gamers who play more than work or do things evenly.

My very own video gaming definition: The gaming for gamers who sit on their big fat asses in front of the TV all day.

***Oh yeah, and this is my 50th post!***Whoo hoo! :)

folken001

08-26-2003, 08:22 AM

So the PC vs MAC saga continues.....

I don't like MAC though, its interface sucks....

trebor

08-26-2003, 08:46 AM

I find it funny when PC users automatically assume all Mac users are "snobs" and then go on to bash the system. The -only- area that Macs are severely lacking is in the gaming department. Other than that, they can do all the things PC's can do, except better.

There is a reason why Macs are so ingrained into the whole creative market (graphic design, web design, music production). Mainly it is because people in those professions would rather work then play with drivers and read manuals to figure out why their printer stops working when the scanner is turned on.

I guess printers, scanners and zip drives and such are considered "wacky" peripherals to some, but when you use them on a daily basis, it's good to have them work properly. Most of which are truly "plug and play" without even needing to install drivers - how many PC users can do the same?

I've had OS X for about a year now and I have had one software crash - the OS didn't crash, just the program. Not too shabby.

shogun

08-26-2003, 10:18 AM

Actually, I'm on a Mac right now. Internet isn't up yet in our new house, so I gotta use the campus comp lab.

Macs DO suck. Basically, they're the aol of the computer world;perfect for people who can't/won't learn anything but the basics, but if you want to get your hands dirty and screw around with things they won't let you. Nothing worse than a computer that thinks it knows what you want.

IMO, the worst thing is the lack of a right mouse button... :mad:

trebor

08-26-2003, 11:16 AM

<div class=\"smallfont\">Actually, I'm on a Mac right now. Internet isn't up yet in our new house, so I gotta use the campus comp lab.

Macs DO suck. Basically, they're the aol of the computer world;perfect for people who can't/won't learn anything but the basics, but if you want to get your hands dirty and screw around with things they won't let you. Nothing worse than a computer that thinks it knows what you want.

IMO, the worst thing is the lack of a right mouse button... :mad:</div>

Not to point out your ignorance or anything, but OS X allows you to access the Unix code - so you can get your hands dirty and screw around with things, if you want.

The one-button mouse does suck, though.

stevedperkins

08-26-2003, 11:18 AM

There is a reason why Macs are so ingrained into the whole creative market (graphic design, web design, music production). Mainly it is because people in those professions would rather work then play with drivers and read manuals to figure out why their printer stops working when the scanner is turned on.

I guess printers, scanners and zip drives and such are considered "wacky" peripherals to some, but when you use them on a daily basis, it's good to have them work properly. Most of which are truly "plug and play" without even needing to install drivers - how many PC users can do the same?Pretty much anyone with a USB port, which over the past few years has come to include everyone with a PC. That guy I was talking about had problems stemming from the fact that he was trying to run a scanner and printer/copier on the same parallel port. If he had been using hardware manufactured during this decade, they would have been made with USB connections and would have been problem-free.

Bottom-line... Macs are ingrained in the 'creative market' for three reasons and three reasons only. Number one, they were first-to-market and catered to that demographic before the PC world did. Number two, even if Apple started charging $15,000 per machine, those stoner losers would be intimidated to the point of terror at the prospect of learning a new environment (even one as paint-by-numbers as XP). Number three, whether you've got the balls to admit this out loud or not, a large number of those folks care more about how pretty the box looks than what they can do with it.
 

I've had OS X for about a year now and I have had one software crash - the OS didn't crash, just the program. Not too shabby.FYI, you don't have "MacOS" on your box. You have Berkeley UNIX with thin graphical shell environment slapped on top. A PC guy can install Linux or FreeBSD with KDE or Gnome and have the exact same system as you, except for not being forced to stick with USB/Firewire peripherals only.

Just face it, you've got nothing... either change the subject or shut up and go home. There are zero credible arguments for any new user to select a Mac over a PC for their home or office needs. There haven't been for about 3 or 4 years now. The closest one can come is something along the lines of, "The software selection isn't quite as bad as you think". Pulling out the tired and no-longer-applicable "blue screen of death" argument is like a PS2 fan dogging out GameCube guys because the original NES controller only had two buttons.

trebor

08-26-2003, 11:32 AM

<div class=\"smallfont\">Pretty much anyone with a USB port, which over the past few years has come to include everyone with a PC. That guy I was talking about had problems stemming from the fact that he was trying to run a scanner and printer/copier on the same parallel port. If he had been using hardware manufactured during this decade, they would have been made with USB connections and would have been problem-free.

Bottom-line... Macs are ingrained in the 'creative market' for three reasons and three reasons only. Number one, they were first-to-market and catered to that demographic before the PC world did. Number two, even if Apple started charging $15,000 per machine, those stoner losers would be intimidated to the point of terror at the prospect of learning a new environment (even one as paint-by-numbers as XP). Number three, whether you've got the balls to admit this out loud or not, a large number of those folks care more about how pretty the box looks than what they can do with it.
 

FYI, you don't have "MacOS" on your box. You have Berkeley UNIX with thin graphical shell environment slapped on top. A PC guy can install Linux or FreeBSD with KDE or Gnome and have the exact same system as you, except for not being forced to stick with USB/Firewire peripherals only.

Just face it, you've got nothing... either change the subject or shut up and go home. There are zero credible arguments for any new user to select a Mac over a PC for their home or office needs. There haven't been for about 3 or 4 years now. The closest one can come is something along the lines of, "The software selection isn't quite as bad as you think". Pulling out the tired and no-longer-applicable "blue screen of death" argument is like a PS2 fan dogging out GameCube guys because the original NES controller only had two buttons.</div>

Finished your ranting yet? Okay, good, I don't care anyways.

I tell you one reason right now where a Mac will -always- beat your little Windoze boxes - viruses. Happily, Macs are immune to overwhelming majority of viruses. Your Pee Cee has a security hole you could drive a truck through, thanks to the, umm, diligence of the M$ software engineers.

Also, speaking as one of the "stoner losers" you so eloquently insulted, it's not that were afraid of learning a new platform. We just don't want to learn a newer and INFERIOR platform.

Lastly, it costs $20 to buy a SCSI card or likewise, so I'm not "forced" to use USB or Firewire, except for the fact that I like using peripherals built at least in the late 90's. So your argument really would have made sense in 1995, but not these days.

It sounds like your a bit jealous anyways. Couldn't afford a Mac so now you hate them? How petty.

Ta ta.

stevedperkins

08-26-2003, 02:01 PM

Finished your ranting yet? Okay, good, I don't care anyways.So you're replying because....?
 

I tell you one reason right now where a Mac will -always- beat your little Windoze boxes - viruses. Happily, Macs are immune to overwhelming majority of viruses. Your Pee Cee has a security hole you could drive a truck through, thanks to the, umm, diligence of the M$ software engineers.Number one, this argument deals with OS X vs Windows... not with Macs vs PC's. At home I dual-boot and spend 90% of my time running Debian linux, with no need for a virus scanner at all. Why is it that your OS X environment and my Linux environment are so virus free? Does it have to do with an inherently superior kernal and access control? Not really... www.cert.org releases new UNIX flaws and vulernabilities every day, and Windows XP has so much BSD code in the kernal you could almost make the argument that's it's a UNIX variant itself. No, the reason we don't see alot of viruses is a simple one... there aren't many people bothering to write them. Why would you put effort into attacking less than 5% of the world's desktop computers, when that same amount of effort could go into attacking 95%? A Windows PC isn't more vulnerable because Microsoft's engineers are idiots, it's more vulernable because its sucess makes it a target. If the Mac were to grow to 90% market share, YOU would be the primary target at risk. Fortunately, however, I think you'll be perfectly safe during this lifetime.

Bah... add $30-$40 bucks for a virus scanner application, and set it to automatically download updates. You'll be as safe as a Mac user, and you'll only save $1,070 rather than $2,000.
 

Lastly, it costs $20 to buy a SCSI card or likewise, so I'm not "forced" to use USB or Firewire, except for the fact that I like using peripherals built at least in the late 90's. So your argument really would have made sense in 1995, but not these days.Shopping for an external SCSI peripheral would have made sense in 1995, but not these days. Why don't you go out and grab a new bad-ass video card, to support the bleeding-edge Mac games that don't exist? Notice that the price you pay is higher than it would have been for a PC? Well, that's because prices are higher when you have only a fraction of the competition in a market.
 

It sounds like your a bit jealous anyways. Couldn't afford a Mac so now you hate them? How petty.I can't afford an SUV the size of sea-fishing boat, but that really has nothing to do with why I always think the owners are retarded when they drive by.
 

Ta ta."Ta ta"?!? Wow, you're right... you really ARE an artsy stoner. Why don't you find a closer that's a little more manly... maybe something along the lines of "Ciao"?

mass

08-26-2003, 05:12 PM

Pc guys think dining out consists of pulling up to the drive-in window at burger king. All you look at is price, oh, and games, and you could care less what your pc components are housed in. If a brown paper bag would do the trick, that's what you guys would be buying.

I got a cube, it's a beautiful design, everyone who comes over and sees it for the first time, comments on how cool-looking it is, and the babes just adore it. The cube is sexy, your pos dell bore-me-box is about as sexy as your average middle-aged beer-bellied truck driver walking around with low-slung jeans and his hairy crack exposed.

Keep your dell, dude, I'll stay with my mac.

Renzatic Gear

08-26-2003, 05:48 PM

That's not true, theres a big scene dedicated to people doing cool things with their PC cases.

I'd say that your average hardcore PC fan is more akin to a guy that builds his own cars starting from the chasis up. You have control over everything that goes in it and you can make the case as cool looking as you want, so long as you have the skills to do it. In the 5 years since I started really getting into computers I've learned plenty about alot..it's cuz of my PC that I'm on this take a screwdriver to anything that has screws kick that I'll probably never grow out of.

Mac fans, on the other hand, are like the people that go out to buy a car simply because of how it'll look sitting in their driveway. They're not so concered about how it works, they want something that'll get em from point A to point B with a little bit of style.

Two whole different worlds. To me a mac guy *****ing about easy of use on a PC would be like someone *****ing about a Hemi requiring more maintanence than the little 4 cylinder in their Civic.

E.T.

08-26-2003, 06:08 PM

<div class=\"smallfont\">[QUOTE=Renzatic Gear]That's not true, theres a big scene dedicated to people doing cool things with their PC cases.

I'd say that your average hardcore PC fan is more akin to a guy that builds his own cars starting from the chasis up. You have control over everything that goes in it and you can make the case as cool looking as you want, so long as you have the skills to do it.

Very true Renzatic Gear, PC cases are anything but dull [if you need glitz]. I completely gutted an old P3 system & fabricated a case from a scaled down finned quarter panel off a '58 Buick. Sounds crazy, [& it was, 40 + hours of welding, metal finishing work & paint]. Ive seen cases w/typical neon & LED light shows strobbing stainless fans, all visible through plexiglass portholes. Its all show & anything but dull.
PC's, tweak the inside, mod the outside.

I myself are glad Mac folks are here, variety is good & Mac users see the tech world differently [useful]. I do think Macs are way over priced & surprised they survive in the PC market.

stevedperkins

08-26-2003, 06:14 PM

I got a cube, it's a beautiful design... the babes just adore it.
...
The cube is sexyJees...us...CHRIST. I should just stop here... there's nothing I could do to mock you or make you out to be more delusional than you have just done to yourself.
 

Pc guys think dining out consists of pulling up to the drive-in window at burger king. All you look at is price, oh, and games, and you could care less what your pc components are housed in. If a brown paper bag would do the trick, that's what you guys would be buying.You might be surprised, but this paragraph doesn't insult me at all. You're right, I really am concerned with getting the best value for the dollar and don't care much for the aesthetics. Of course, now that I know owning a Mac will make me get laid more, I might have to go out and give one a try.

mass

08-26-2003, 07:18 PM

Renzatic Gear

08-26-2003, 07:31 PM

When you're actually able to upgrade stuff you'll understand wanting to test em out to make sure you got the best hardware for your $300.

"The problems with the PC is that if it starts getting too old I have to worry about replacing either the graphics card, the CPU, the RAM..all that hassle just to update. With the Mac I don't have that problem. Once it gets too old I just chuck it out the window and spend another 3000 bucks on a new one. Easy as that, no hassle."

And the things are so sleek and aerodynamic I bet they go really far when you throw em, too.

stevedperkins

08-26-2003, 07:49 PM

PC bigots always slam the mac because it's something they either can't afford or because they're all tied up with their dicks. They can't buy something unless it has the biggest, fastest cpu for the least amount of money, even if the most processor intensive task they do, is cruising the internet.

Mac people buy a mac so they can get work done. Pc people buy a pc so they can brag about how fast they can get work done, if they ever got around to doing any actual work instead of benchmarking their latest vid-card to see how many fps it does in Quake 3.I wish you guys would make up your minds. One minute you're arguing it's actually the Mac that offers the most power for the least amount of money (lol). The next minute you argue that raw power is overkill for desktop computer use, that wanting the best processing value is silly.

One minute you argue that Mac users are very practical people who are only concerned with getting work done efficiently, the next minute you argue that only a cretin would buy a plain-looking box on account of it being more practical than a "babe magnet" such as the "sexy" iMac.

For God's sake, one could just spend an hour cutting-and-pasting from Mac users own posts... and show them kicking their own asses!

mass

08-26-2003, 08:51 PM

<div class=\"smallfont\">When you're actually able to upgrade stuff you'll understand wanting to test em out to make sure you got the best hardware for your $300.

"The problems with the PC is that if it starts getting too old I have to worry about replacing either the graphics card, the CPU, the RAM..all that hassle just to update. With the Mac I don't have that problem. Once it gets too old I just chuck it out the window and spend another 3000 bucks on a new one. Easy as that, no hassle."

And the things are so sleek and aerodynamic I bet they go really far when you throw em, too.</div>

I love those quote marks. PC retard pretending he's a mac owner. Do you cretins actually know anything about macs, I mean anything. AGP for graphics cards is the standard on macs, they use the same ram as regular pcs, use the same peripherals, scanners, printers, monitors. PCI is the standard for mac expansion cards, assuming you would need one since everything is pretty much on the motherboard to begin with. You guys are ignorant tools that frankly should be pitied for your complete and total lack of knowledge concerning the macintosh computing platform and computing in general. But, then what should I expect from you and steve-o, guys who think they're console gamers with only a cube to play. The pair of you make me laugh.

Renzatic Gear

08-26-2003, 09:16 PM

Whoa! The Angry Guy returns..welcome back, Mass.

Lets head a couple of years into the future, where someones brand spanking new Mac G5 is starting to show its age a bit. What would you have to do to upgrade? You can't just slap a new graphics card in it, that'd only take you so far, and you can't go out and pick up a new Mac mobo and processor. You'd end up having to replace your entire machine because your core components would begin to bottleneck all the new hardware you're actually able to replace. Faster RAM won't do anything for you if your motherboard can't take advantage of it, and that Geforce 11 ESX you just bought won't be able to reach its full potential cuz its being held back by the CPU.

This would be easily remedied if Apple were to release their hardware in stages instead of reinventing the wheel each time they come out with a new system. There are advantages to this, sure, but you don't have any steps between new and old like you do on the PC. By the time the new Mac is out your old one is usually too slow to run the newest software, and the new one is a good year ahead of the technology curve so you're paying for features that you're not gonna use and are gonna be extra expensive because they're brand new.

mass

08-26-2003, 09:17 PM

<div class=\"smallfont\">I wish you guys would make up your minds. One minute you're arguing it's actually the Mac that offers the most power for the least amount of money (lol). The next minute you argue that raw power is overkill for desktop computer use, that wanting the best processing value is silly.

One minute you argue that Mac users are very practical people who are only concerned with getting work done efficiently, the next minute you argue that only a cretin would buy a plain-looking box on account of it being more practical than a "babe magnet" such as the "sexy" iMac.

For God's sake, one could just spend an hour cutting-and-pasting from Mac users own posts... and show them kicking their own asses!</div>

The cube is sexy, :rolleyes: , its' the cube, not the imac. The imac is cute. A PC is the machine of choice for big ugly trolls, classless boors, and idiots who head up posts like, "What are Mac people doing here?!? :eek:

mass

08-26-2003, 09:48 PM

<div class=\"smallfont\">Whoa! The Angry Guy returns..welcome back, Mass.

Lets head a couple of years into the future, where someones brand spanking new Mac G5 is starting to show its age a bit. What would you have to do to upgrade? You can't just slap a new graphics card in it, that'd only take you so far, and you can't go out and pick up a new Mac mobo and processor. You'd end up having to replace your entire machine because your core components would begin to bottleneck all the new hardware you're actually able to replace. Faster RAM won't do anything for you if your motherboard can't take advantage of it, and that Geforce 11 ESX you just bought won't be able to reach its full potential cuz its being held back by the CPU.

This would be easily remedied if Apple were to release their hardware in stages instead of reinventing the wheel each time they come out with a new system. There are advantages to this, sure, but you don't have any steps between new and old like you do on the PC. By the time the new Mac is out your old one is usually too slow to run the newest software, and the new one is a good year ahead of the technology curve so you're paying for features that you're not gonna use and are gonna be extra expensive because they're brand new.</div>

Lose one argument about not being able to upgrade a mac, and you switch to talking about cpu and motherboard replacement. Nice one. You can upgrade the cpu on macs, you have specialized companies who suppply processor upgrades if you have a mind to. Why would a GPU be held back by the cpu since they operate independently. GPU performance isn't tied to cpu performance. We're not talking old style graphic accelerators anymore.

Your points are largely irrelevant, you talk like a pc geek. 95% of pc owners aren't going to bother to replace their motherboards. This is hardly a mac phenomenom. If you're a pc tool monkey, be my guest, stick with a pc and customize to your heart's content, rip out the insides, and take everything out except the case and the power supply.

I'd rather have the peace of mind, that all the components of my machine work properly and that I have enough room for future expansion and the mac platform provides me with both. I don't expect the standard pc crowd to either understand or appreciate the mac platform. And frankly, I could care less. Your generalizations are lame to the extreme. My current mac which is a lowly g4 running at 450mhz still runs the very latest version of Final Cut Pro, a heavy duty video editing application. So tell me again, how my old mac is too slow to run the newest software, I need the laugh, renzi. Is that how it works in the pc world. Because, I tell you, my hp pc is basically useless and wouldn't run squat and no amount of motherboard or cpu replacement can save that sucker now.

Renzatic Gear

08-26-2003, 10:37 PM

Upgrading a motherboard and CPU is still an upgrade, possibly the most important upgrade you can make to any computer beyond the graphics card. But anyway...

"You can upgrade the cpu on macs"

Okay, I'll concede this point..I didn't know that.

"Why would a GPU be held back by the cpu since they operate independently. GPU performance isn't tied to cpu performance. We're not talking old style graphic accelerators anymore."

Actually they still are tied to CPU performance, just not as severly. A slow CPU can still easily present a bottleneck, if a graphics card were totally independent to the processor then you'd have a PIII500 running Doom 3 perfectly just because it has Geforce FX 5900 in it.

"My current mac which is a lowly g4 running at 450mhz still runs the very latest version of Final Cut Pro, a heavy duty video editing application."

How long does it take you on average to render a 2 hour movie with it? If you wanted a huge boost in speed you'd have to be willing to part with 3500 bucks to get the latest and greatest..thats the point I'm trying to make here.

"Because, I tell you, my hp pc is basically useless and wouldn't run squat and no amount of motherboard or cpu replacement can save that sucker now."

Getting an HP is your own fault. They build their comps using generic and intergrated parts to save on money, so you get what you pay for. Since you're a learned Mac user you should've known better.

Wow, its getting late as hell. We'll pick this up tomorrow.

trebor

08-27-2003, 09:35 AM

Number one, this argument deals with OS X vs Windows... not with Macs vs PC's.

Umm...didn't you start this thread as "What are Mac people doing here?!?" not "Windows is better then OS X, cause I say so"

At home I dual-boot and spend 90% of my time running Debian linux, with no need for a virus scanner at all. Why is it that your OS X environment and my Linux environment are so virus free? Does it have to do with an inherently superior kernal and access control? Not really... www.cert.org releases new UNIX flaws and vulernabilities every day, and Windows XP has so much BSD code in the kernal you could almost make the argument that's it's a UNIX variant itself. No, the reason we don't see alot of viruses is a simple one... there aren't many people bothering to write them. Why would you put effort into attacking less than 5% of the world's desktop computers, when that same amount of effort could go into attacking 95%? A Windows PC isn't more vulnerable because Microsoft's engineers are idiots, it's more vulernable because its sucess makes it a target. If the Mac were to grow to 90% market share, YOU would be the primary target at risk. Fortunately, however, I think you'll be perfectly safe during this lifetime.

Blah, blah, blah. Perhaps the reason why Windows is a target is because there are some glaring security holes in the program.

Bah... add $30-$40 bucks for a virus scanner application, and set it to automatically download updates. You'll be as safe as a Mac user, and you'll only save $1,070 rather than $2,000.
 

Jeez, then you can have yet another program always running behind the scenes to make your PeeCee less efficient. Ever wonder why a 3ghz P4 gets the same performance as a 1.25ghz G4? I don't.

Shopping for an external SCSI peripheral would have made sense in 1995, but not these days. Why don't you go out and grab a new bad-ass video card, to support the bleeding-edge Mac games that don't exist? Notice that the price you pay is higher than it would have been for a PC? Well, that's because prices are higher when you have only a fraction of the competition in a market.
 

Actually, you can just buy the less expensive "PC" version of any given card and just Flash the Mac ROM into it and it works. My Geforce 3 in my 3 year old G4 is proof of that.

I can't afford an SUV the size of sea-fishing boat, but that really has nothing to do with why I always think the owners are retarded when they drive by.
 

Great, another SUV driver. Just upholds my belief that SUV drivers are arrogant, wasteful and useless. How many times have you gone off-roading in your gaz-guzzling SUV?

"Ta ta"?!? Wow, you're right... you really ARE an artsy stoner. Why don't you find a closer that's a little more manly... maybe something along the lines of "Ciao"?</div>

Sarcasm. Look it up.

stevedperkins

08-27-2003, 10:23 AM

Umm...didn't you start this thread as "What are Mac people doing here?!?" not "Windows is better then OS X, cause I say so"
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Great, another SUV driver. Just upholds my belief that SUV drivers are arrogant, wasteful and useless. How many times have you gone off-roading in your gaz-guzzling SUV?Are you even reading my posts?!? On the first point, I was criticizing YOU for turning the argument into an OS one rather than an overall-platform one... not suggesting that's what I'M trying to do. On the second point, I was comparing Mac owers to SUV drivers... I don't know what variant of dyslexia could cause you to read that and interpret it to mean that I drive an SUV myself and think they're an admirable thing to purchase.

trebor

08-27-2003, 12:41 PM

<div class=\"smallfont\">Are you even reading my posts?!? On the first point, I was criticizing YOU for turning the argument into an OS one rather than an overall-platform one... not suggesting that's what I'M trying to do. On the second point, I was comparing Mac owers to SUV drivers... I don't know what variant of dyslexia could cause you to read that and interpret it to mean that I drive an SUV myself and think they're an admirable thing to purchase.</div>

#1 - Any argument involving Macs -vs- PC's or PC's -vs- Consoles or Console A -vs- Console B invariably includes the software which runs the system. So when I bring up the Mac OS -vs- Windows, it's quite valid, as hardware is only as good as the software that drives it. Make sense?

#2 - I read your post incorrectly. You got me. So that's 1 point for you. Congrats. Why you would be comparing Mac owners to SUV drivers, I'll never know, as the SUV is one of the most popular vehicles on the road today - much like your beloved PC is the most popular home computer. I would think comparing Mac owners to Ferrari or Porsche drivers to be more accurate.

Ta ta.