XBL Starter Kit

[folken001]

It is now officially 69.99. It does come with a game though, but that also means, if you want XBL you have to pay 70 bucks for the 1st year. Does that make PS2 online more attractive at this point?

[shogun]

I was in Best Buy a few days ago, and noticed this bundle. Getting Mechassault with the kit is pretty sweet, but I'm curious to see how the XBox peeps will react to being forced to buy it, if they want to play online. Anyone else remember Sony getting bashed for including the net adapter with the PS2?

One a side note, I just picked up the PS2 Net Adapter with unlimited online play, and THPS4...for 60 bucks. hmmmm....

[Glockstar]

<div class=\"smallfont\">It is now officially 69.99. It does come with a game though, but that also means, if you want XBL you have to pay 70 bucks for the 1st year. Does that make PS2 online more attractive at this point?</div>

folken, I have my PS2 online... and it sucks!!!
So no... it's not more attractive "at this point" - just like it never will be.

I paid $20 extra for the PS2 online bundle (online adapter + a game)... and I regret it. Even though I can get a few bucks, in trade, for the game (ATV Off-Road Fury 2), I'd still just rather give up both the adapter and the game, and get my 20 bucks back!

$20, or for "Free"... PS2 online is not worth it!
Sony, and each and every one of the individual game compnies that want to run their own online service for the PS2, have a lot of work to do. If the Sony online program were the only indicator of where online gameplay is at, or where it's going, then I'd be skeptical of it ever working out.

But luckily Microsoft is paving the way.

And once you've played on XBox Live, there is no going back!

[shogun]

What exactly sucks about it? The fact your buddy list doesn't transfer between games? The fact that you don't have a glossy AOL-style interface, and have to deal with specific gaming companies seperately? Your complaints seem to be about the PS2 "service", rather than the games that can be played online. My guess is that you haven't played every online-capable PS2 game out there, so how you can say the Network Adapter has a value less than zero is beyond me.

IMO, XBox Live is to online play, what AOL is to internet service...a way to con people into paying more. The pro-AOL people sound pretty much like Glock does with XBox Live...they love the shiny interface so much, they don't realize they're just getting gouged on the same service.

["The Game"Evolution]

<div class=\"smallfont\">What exactly sucks about it? The fact your buddy list doesn't transfer between games? The fact that you don't have a glossy AOL-style interface, and have to deal with specific gaming companies seperately? Your complaints seem to be about the PS2 "service", rather than the games that can be played online. My guess is that you haven't played every online-capable PS2 game out there, so how you can say the Network Adapter has a value less than zero is beyond me.

IMO, XBox Live is to online play, what AOL is to internet service...a way to con people into paying more. The pro-AOL people sound pretty much like Glock does with XBox Live...they love the shiny interface so much, they don't realize they're just getting gouged on the same service.</div>

Xbox live is the classic example of"You get what you paid for."
All alot of you do is complain about how much more reasonable PS2's online service is over Xbox live.But I never hear Folken talk about the difference between THE GAMES!

So Folken when will you compare the online games side by side? Which has the best variety of online games? Which utilizes the headset the most? Or talking about which online service is better all you can do?

(crickets churping) Thats what I thought.

[thug]

<div class=\"smallfont\">It is now officially 69.99. It does come with a game though, but that also means, if you want XBL you have to pay 70 bucks for the 1st year. Does that make PS2 online more attractive at this point?</div>

Here you go, buy it for $40. XBL is way better!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000DBHIG/cheapassgam08-20/102-7431130-8020903

[no.1gamer]

This is why online console gaming will never be as great as online PC gaming (not in the near future anyway). The fact that you have to pay any money at all is what turns me off. I already pay for cable internet, why would I want to pay above and beyond my monthly fee? Plus the PC in itself is a machine designed to utilize the internet in web surfing, downloading stuff, e-mail. The interface used for gaming and accessing the internet are the same. So naturally online gaming comes along with the system. Consoles are trying too hard to "push" their online capabilities and it's obvious. Some of these online tools (specifically the headset) IMO seem to be novelty items that attempt to replace PC attributes. Just my 2 cents.

Don't call me a console hater by any means as everyone knows I'm a Gamecube player. But both my PC and Gamecube offer different gaming styles. And my online gaming needs are completely satisfied by my PC.

[Whaxx]

I'm in Canada and I can go to my nearest Future Shop and I can fin the XBL starter kit for $99.99, with all the crap, subscrption and stuff plus the full version of Mechassault, not a bad deal.

["The Game"Evolution]

<div class=\"smallfont\">This is why online console gaming will never be as great as online PC gaming (not in the near future anyway). The fact that you have to pay any money at all is what turns me off. I already pay for cable internet, why would I want to pay above and beyond my monthly fee? Plus the PC in itself is a machine designed to utilize the internet in web surfing, downloading stuff, e-mail. The interface used for gaming and accessing the internet are the same. So naturally online gaming comes along with the system. Consoles are trying too hard to "push" their online capabilities and it's obvious. Some of these online tools (specifically the headset) IMO seem to be novelty items that attempt to replace PC attributes. Just my 2 cents.

Don't call me a console hater by any means as everyone knows I'm a Gamecube player. But both my PC and Gamecube offer different gaming styles. And my online gaming needs are completely satisfied by my PC.</div>

Since the GC only has one online game to even talk about the GC shouldnt even be a mention during this conversation.Plus this is about why PS2's online service is supposed to be better than Xbox live.We dont give a fig about PC online gaming during this thread.Stick to the topic g@mer.

Besides the PS2 and the Xbox are videogame consoles that can provide the things that only PC's has been able to do up till now.Deal with it.Since the GC can do nothing but play games and only play games of course its only natural you cant stand PS2/Xbox gamers talking about how great their consoles are compared to the little bargin basement console for $99 bucks.

[no.1gamer]

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Since the GC only has one online game to even talk about the GC shouldnt even be a mention during this conversation.Plus this is about why PS2's online service is supposed to be better than Xbox live.We dont give a fig about PC online gaming during this thread.Stick to the topic g@mer.

Besides the PS2 and the Xbox are videogame consoles that can provide the things that only PC's has been able to do up till now.Deal with it.Since the GC can do nothing but play games and only play games of course its only natural you cant stand PS2/Xbox gamers talking about how great their consoles are compared to the little bargin basement console for $99 bucks.</div>

Actually I was insulting all consoles online abilities in general. Only a very small percentage of console gamers are online. Yet an overwhelming majority of PC gamers are online. I only mentioned that I have a Gamecube, and I stated that my PC handles all of my online gaming. I think that the PC is relevant to this thread, which vaguely opens a discussion of the Xbox Live price point. Why are you trying to attack every word in my post, Game? Do you have something against me personally?

The PS2 and Xbox can not provide some things that only PC's have been able to do up till now. Many popular PC games focus most of the game with online play. Consoles can't really do this because not many people are online. Online console gaming is not mainstream yet. While I think some of the online console features are a big step towards becoming mainstream the price is going to be the biggest hurdle to overcome.

["The Game"Evolution]

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Actually I was insulting all consoles online abilities in general. Only a very small percentage of console gamers are online. Yet an overwhelming majority of PC gamers are online. I only mentioned that I have a Gamecube, and I stated that my PC handles all of my online gaming. I think that the PC is relevant to this thread, which vaguely opens a discussion of the Xbox Live price point. Why are you trying to attack every word in my post, Game? Do you have something against me personally?

The PS2 and Xbox can not provide some things that only PC's have been able to do up till now. Many popular PC games focus most of the game with online play. Consoles can't really do this because not many people are online. Online console gaming is not mainstream yet. While I think some of the online console features are a big step towards becoming mainstream the price is going to be the biggest hurdle to overcome.</div>

Its not about PC gaming or anything else.The original thread was about the Xbox live kit.And why is it better or worse than the PS2's online service.Everything else you had to say had absolutely nothing to do with it.Thats my point.Save the PC lecture for a PC related thread next time.

[T.Tashi]

In terms of online gaming, the PC is still king of the hill, like it or not, and I think G@mer makes some valid points related to the realm of online gaming in general and actually gives some validity to Folken's initial post... if you think about it.

["The Game"Evolution]

<div class=\"smallfont\">In terms of online gaming, the PC is still king of the hill, like it or not, and I think G@mer makes some valid points related to the realm of online gaming in general and actually gives some validity to Folken's initial post... if you think about it.</div>

Its called stick to the thread.Bottom line.If g@mer isnt going to stick to talking about the topic at hand then he should expect to get hit upside the head with replies like these.Same goes for you.Stick to the threads and stop adding your own seperate thread to the mix.

[no.1gamer]

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Its called stick to the thread.Bottom line.If g@mer isnt going to stick to talking about the topic at hand then he should expect to get hit upside the head with replies like these.Same goes for you.Stick to the threads and stop adding your own seperate thread to the mix.</div>

Sorry Game, I dissagree with you. The thread states the price of the Xbox live starter kit. Therefore I think that all online gaming service topics can be discussed here (specifically topics that involve the almighty $$$)! Are you just trying to argue just for the hell of it Game? Why are you attacking me like this?

[folken001]

<div class=\"smallfont\">In terms of online gaming, the PC is still king of the hill, like it or not, and I think G@mer makes some valid points related to the realm of online gaming in general and actually gives some validity to Folken's initial post... if you think about it.</div>

I agree with mostly what g@amer said.

I don't even know why XBL is considered great by many? Because PS2 online service is not as good? Well, why don't we compare XBL to PC online then, which is absolutely superior. Does that mean XBL sucks? For starter, most of PC online service is free. That is why I think PS2 online is better. Not necessarily it's because games run more smoothly or whatnot with PS2 servers, but becuase it's free. The only game I care about is fighting games and it runs like crap on XBL. The lag is only a little better now because people who play it has been serevely reduced. Gee, I wonder why.

[Renzatic Gear]

Folk, I really wouldn't blame the crappy lag in CvS on Live, it's really due to sloppy netcode more than anything I'd think. A fighting game doesn't have to calculate and send location data for any particularly large areas and all it really needs to do beyond that is log keystrokes..From the looks of it Capcom didn't do throw in anything to compensate for the lag and it just keeps getting more and more out of sync as the game continues.

["The Game"Evolution]

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I agree with mostly what g@amer said.

I don't even know why XBL is considered great by many? Because PS2 online service is not as good? Well, why don't we compare XBL to PC online then, which is absolutely superior. Does that mean XBL sucks? For starter, most of PC online service is free. That is why I think PS2 online is better. Not necessarily it's because games run more smoothly or whatnot with PS2 servers, but becuase it's free. The only game I care about is fighting games and it runs like crap on XBL. The lag is only a little better now because people who play it has been serevely reduced. Gee, I wonder why.</div>

This thread is supposed to be about why Xbox live kit is better than the PS2's online service or the complete opposite.XBL is better than PS2's online service to most gamers because of THE GAMES! Let me repeat this:XBL is better than PS2's online service to most gamers because of THE GAMES!

None of you chooses to talk about JUST the games.Its all about the service.Well the one thing that I always hear from people that has XBL is"You get what you paid for."

Since we are talking about console online gaming lets stick to talking about JUST that.But naturally none of you can do that can you? NOPE! Why? Because you know that PS2's online games is in fact INFERIOR to the Xbox's online games.Thats why you guys keep dodging the issue of talking about JUST the games and nothing else.Plain and simple.

If PC gaming is your thing then good for you.But this thread is about console online gaming.So try to stick to the topic you started Folken.Besides Capcom vs.SNK2 doesnt always have lag.IT also depends on if both competitors has a fast online connection too.

Plus since you love fighting games so much Folken I'm saying that before this year is up sometime in December I'm calling you out to take you out on XBL.Capcom vs.SNK2 one more time.Be a man or be a chicken.Accept or yield?

You say Yes then its on.You say no,then you're pretty much telling every single person on this board that you are no doubt afraid of getting your cocky ass kicked.Its as simple as that.So go ahead and make yet another excuse why you dont want to face me again 001.Its becoming expectant of you to do so

.(The Kansas City Chiefs two weeks ago came into Cincy thinking the Bengals were just going to lay down and let them win. But when the smoke cleared and the dust settled the Chiefs got scalped and the Bengals earned their stripes.Could history repeat itself with us?) Your call Folken.

[no.1gamer]

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This thread is supposed to be about why Xbox live kit is better than the PS2's online service or the complete opposite.XBL is better than PS2's online service to most gamers because of THE GAMES! Let me repeat this:XBL is better than PS2's online service to most gamers because of THE GAMES!

None of you chooses to talk about JUST the games.Its all about the service.Well the one thing that I always hear from people that has XBL is"You get what you paid for."

Since we are talking about console online gaming lets stick to talking about JUST that.But naturally none of you can do that can you? NOPE! Why? Because you know that PS2's online games is in fact INFERIOR to the Xbox's online games.Thats why you guys keep dodging the issue of talking about JUST the games and nothing else.Plain and simple.

If PC gaming is your thing then good for you.But this thread is about console online gaming.So try to stick to the topic you started Folken.Besides Capcom vs.SNK2 doesnt always have lag.IT also depends on if both competitors has a fast online connection too.

Plus since you love fighting games so much Folken I'm saying that before this year is up sometime in December I'm calling you out to take you out on XBL.Capcom vs.SNK2 one more time.Be a man or be a chicken.Accept or yield?

You say Yes then its on.You say no,then you're pretty much telling every single person on this board that you are no doubt afraid of getting your cocky ass kicked.Its as simple as that.So go ahead and make yet another excuse why you dont want to face me again 001.Its becoming expectant of you to do so

.(The Kansas City Chiefs two weeks ago came into Cincy thinking the Bengals were just going to lay down and let them win. But when the smoke cleared and the dust settled the Chiefs got scalped and the Bengals earned their stripes.Could history repeat itself with us?) Your call Folken.</div>

First of all, I can't believe you're telling Folken what the topic is of his own thread. He clearly stated the Xbox Live's current price point. That's it! You, Game, are the one who started talking about online games. I have no problem with you talking about games because I think it's relevant to the subject of the thread. Even if I didn't though, instead of snapping at you for anything and everything in your posts, I would simply not reply to them.

Secondly, didn't Folken already beat your @$$ once at that game? I think he did. Therefore you should humbly ask him for a rematch. Even if he declines it doesn't necessarily make him afraid of you.

["The Game"Evolution]

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First of all, I can't believe you're telling Folken what the topic is of his own thread. He clearly stated the Xbox Live's current price point. That's it! You, Game, are the one who started talking about online games. I have no problem with you talking about games because I think it's relevant to the subject of the thread. Even if I didn't though, instead of snapping at you for anything and everything in your posts, I would simply not reply to them.

Secondly, didn't Folken already beat your @$$ once at that game? I think he did. Therefore you should humbly ask him for a rematch. Even if he declines it doesn't necessarily make him afraid of you.</div>

Folken brought up the threat talking about how much XBL service was and considered the PS2's to be more attractive.I understood that.But I also raised the question:Why doesnt anyone talk about the online games of either one? Its always about the service differences with PS2 supporters,but with the gamers with XBL they love to talk about the games.Thats all I was saying.Isnt the games a part of the online services of both consoles? Yes.So why not bring that subject into it?

Plus as far as the rematch goes its like this.Beat me once shame on you,beat me twice shame on me.You guys can shake your pom-poms and shout Folken's cheers all you want.Bottom line is:Hes afraid to play me again.If he isnt then why not accept? But of course since you're his new head cheerleader I bet you have an excuse for that too dont you g@mer? Of course you do.Thats a shame when somebody has to send somebody else to do the talking for them.Sad.

[Renzatic Gear]

I think it has more to do with how you acted afterwords, you really did go overboard and make a general ass out of yourself during that whole little scenario. If you were a little bit less of a sore loser then you'd probably make a few more friends around here...and also get a rematch with Folken a helluva lot easier.

["The Game"Evolution]

<div class=\"smallfont\">I think it has more to do with how you acted afterwords, you really did go overboard and make a general ass out of yourself during that whole little scenario. If you were a little bit less of a sore loser then you'd probably make a few more friends around here...and also get a rematch with Folken a helluva lot easier.</div>

When I was banned I still read everyones posts.And while I was gone I found out who my REAL friends were and who they werent.So from here its like this:If someone out there wants to be my friend then thats on them.If they dont then thats fine too.I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Plus yes I did act like a jerk the last time me and Folken played.Why? I'll tell you why.When everyone asked Folken who did he use he didnt even remember.From there it made me wonder was I really playing Folken at all.It made me suspicious.So yeah I acted a fool about it.But the truth is I lost.No biggie.There was a certain amount of lag between rounds.But no excuses.The truth is that I learned alot from that lost.

That was then and this is now.If he is as good as he thinks he is then why not grant me a rematch? But thats on him.The next time he brags about being the best just remember Gear it was his choice not to prove it not mine.