The thundering herd of xbots [Archive]

Gadfly2317

11-18-2003, 02:19 PM

clown

11-18-2003, 02:35 PM

this is happening because of cost around where i live gamecube is $69 and Xbox is $200+.

Which one would you buy?
you'd probly get gamecube if you aren't like a game addict that reads obout them.....im not a Xbox owner.

Renzatic Gear

11-18-2003, 02:55 PM

I'll tell you why Xbox owners have gotten more rabid here recently, they realise that their system sucks, the graphics suck and the games suck...Just check out these 2 pics right fast and tell me what you think...

Prince of Persia GC
http://users.chartertn.net/greymatt/POP1.jpg

Vs.

Prince of Persia Xbox
http://users.chartertn.net/greymatt/POP2.jpg

All the harddrives in the world can't fix that crap. Sorry Xbots, you lose.

folken001

11-18-2003, 03:33 PM

Haha, that's too good!

sw33tjimmy

11-18-2003, 03:57 PM

i just wanted to highlight the sort of thing that makes folken's posts so wonderful to behold:

"They gibberish nonsense and what not."

Is that so? I guess we'll all have to be careful of what we 'gibberish' from now on.

P.S.
that's odd, i swear I just read a post from folken that talked about how xbots were like a woman's....oh, that must have been the moderator slamming the door on folkster's obnoxious choice of subject matter.

the post i was referring to has been removed. Alas... I laugh alone.

no.1gamer

11-18-2003, 05:28 PM

Good post Gadfly. Why do Xbots want Nintendo to die? Nintendo is a company that has brought us some of our greatest video games of all time and continues to deliver us nothing but the best quality games. It's sad really...

folken001

11-18-2003, 06:31 PM

<div class=\"smallfont\">i just wanted to highlight the sort of thing that makes folken's posts so wonderful to behold:

"They gibberish nonsense and what not."

Is that so? I guess we'll all have to be careful of what we 'gibberish' from now on.

P.S.
that's odd, i swear I just read a post from folken that talked about how xbots were like a woman's....oh, that must have been the moderator slamming the door on folkster's obnoxious choice of subject matter.

the post i was referring to has been removed. Alas... I laugh alone.</div>

I guess my original post was too offensive, so the mod took it off. Still, what I said was true. Xbots do have the tendency of blasting at GC for being inferior every once a while. Most of the xbots don't even own a GC nor do they play GC games. Like Mass, TWO websites gave like 8 out of 10 for Mario Kart, Nintendo is doomed to him. Blah. Too bad, xbots can't do the same to ps2 because they know PS2 kicks Xbox's behind in terms of popularity, game library and sale. Lucky for me, I guess. Otherwise, I have to read even more trash from XBox's zoobies..

mass

11-18-2003, 06:35 PM

(This is not anti-xbox or its fans, but is addressing the xbot/Nintendo hater plague that has afflicted this board lately.)

You’d think Gamecube was breathing its last dying breath if you’d spent any time hanging around Systems Wars lately, where a rabid few hate-junkies have been spending their time here spewing anti-Nintendo propaganda into every thread.

The Nintendo-hater’s intensity has been up lately due to the fact Nintendo is rapidly outselling the xbox everywhere in the world. Their rationale is that people aren’t buying the Gamecube because there are any games on it that they want to play. People are only buying a Gamecube because it is the least expensive system. The xbots seem to think droves of people are snatching up Gamecubes to decorate their homes with, and not to play games on. That’s how stupid these yammering drones really are.

Gamecube has all the big 3rd party games of the season like Beyond Good and Evil, Prince of Persia, True Crime, and XIII. Since this destroys the usual xbot argument of “no third party support” all they are left with is the worn out, feeble “but our version is the best.” You can blather on all you want about online and “best versions” till you’re blue in the face but most gamers aren’t gaming online at this point. The fact is that the exceptional Gamecube exclusive library, combined with all these great third party titles, and graphics that are better than the PS2’s for nearly half the price—this is why the Gamecube is outselling the xbox, and it is what’s driving the xbot’s crazy and grasping at straws. For some reason their self-esteem is tied to how well their system is selling.

In their desperation to boost the xbox fall line-up they’ve resorted—as usual—to bragging about PC ports, and have even stooped to proclaiming a TENNIS game of all things as a killer app. Bragging about TENNIS while mocking a well reviewed Kart racer that happens to be one of the most popular gaming franchises in history—now that is not only shameless hypocrisy, it is downright goofed in the head. An xbot will bash Nintendo for its sequels and in the next breath brag about Halo II, and list a string of PC sequels that will soon be on xbox.

I—along with most Gamecube fans here—find it more fun to brag about what’s great about our favorite system, or talk about its successes, then to continually tear down some other system. And you don’t seem to hear the PS2 fans hating the Gamecube. But the thundering herd of xbots would rather spend their time trying–and failing—to tear down the Gamecube. But nothing they can say changes the FACT that the Gamecube has an incredible, extremely fun line-up of TRUE exclusives, plenty of great third party titles, and that it is outselling xbox. The haters can fantasize about Nintendo’s demise all they want, but when it is selling like crazy, it isn’t going anywhere.

Oh, bite me, cube boy, why'd you buy an xbox if the cube lineup was so great. And you're talking about other people being hypocrites. Blah, blah, blah, cube is great. Oh, wait, check that, I need another system. Action talks, BS walks. And your recent action tells a different story concerning the wonders of nintendo and the cube specifically. Cube fan, my ass, think I'll pass on Viewtiful Joe and buy Halo for the pc instead. You've been one confused gamer lately.

What I've been expressing is being echoed by the press. Check out the most recent article regarding Nintendo and their lack of iniative courtesy of Gamespy. I guess anybody second-guessing nintendo is automatically dismissed as a hater. Well, the "hater" crowd is growing by leaps and bounds. I prefer to think of them as discriminating gamers, or gamers whose heads aren't permanently lodged up mario's rear. Here's the article.

http://www.gamespy.com/counterspy/november03/spy13/

Bottom line, I'm not forking over money to a company rehashing old n64 games. Nintendo is back with the Pokemon crap with Pokemon Channel and Pokemon Colesseum. Cube outsells xbox in NA for a month or two and you claim xbots are acting in desparation. Man, you're a hypocrite, what about the other 22 months when the xbox was outselling the cube? Perhaps your ripping of the xbox was a cuber's act of desparation. Man, get off this persecuted routine. Either come back with facts, not BS to back up your fallacious arguments. You know very well, that the cube is not getting numerous third party titles that are making their way to the xbox and ps2.

All you cube fans can do lately as you watch the nintendo titanic hit an iceberg is to claim we're all haters. I gave MK:DD a whirl at EB. This is a perfect 10 EGM?! Man, you have got to be effin' kidding me. I tried the 50cc grand prix mode. Don't even bother to start here. It moves so frickin' slow, I thought there was something wrong with the controller, then I noticed I was in first place. No, I really was moving that slow. Standard muzak, where's the hop, can you power slide in this game or what? Same lame assortment of items, huge frickin' bananas. Mediocre graphics, so-so tracks, two players in a kart, big deal. A broken sys link system where you can't even choose your own racers. This is a joke, it must be, how can anybody claim with a straight face, that this is a great first party title from Nintendo. And I'm going to buy this over the likes of PGR2 or the upcoming GT4. Yeah, why don't I just light my money on fire instead. Yeah, call me a hater all you want, but I'll buy games for the cube that I think are worth it like VJ and what I won't do is swallow the nintendo party fun bull, hook, line and sinker, like so many cubers are so willing to do.

Oh, by the way, Top Spin is a very good title and beats out Virtua Tennis handily. Not perfect, but definitely worthy of purchase consideration. So much to choose from on the xbox, so little to even consider on the cube. And, oh, the ps2 is beating the stuffings out of the cube on the software front as well.

Gaming Geezer 78

11-18-2003, 06:46 PM

I guess my original post was too offensive, so the mod took it off. Still, what I said was true. Xbots do have the tendency of blasting at GC for being inferior every once a while. Most of the xbots don't even own a GC nor do they play GC games. Like Mass, TWO websites gave like 8 out of 10 for Mario Kart, Nintendo is doomed to him. Blah. Too bad, xbots can't do the same to ps2 because they know PS2 kicks Xbox's behind in terms of popularity, game library and sale. Lucky for me, I guess. Otherwise, I have to read even more trash from XBox's zoobies..

What's an "Xbox zoobie?" I'm curious....

Actually, it is good to see Nintendo has it in them to fight back. Though I must say I am personally a bit dissapointed with Mario Kart Double Dash. It's a good game-but Crash Team Racing is still the #1 kart-racer in my book. And that damn bonus disc I stood in line for last night to get? BAH! Cheezy demos. What happened to the N64 version of Mario Kart that was supposedly going to be on the disc? If I knew all that I would get for driving 120 miles round-trip after a long day at work was a few crappy playables-I wouldn't have bothered.

I am playing games on all three current systems and loving them all. In just minutes, I will be sinking my teeth into Project Gotham 2 and Need For Speed Underground. Have a nice night everyone.

And sorry, I won't be around much at all now. Over the last week or so, this board has starting festering like a landfill. :o I'm not going to waste my time typing when all I get in return is a change of subject or petty insults toward my mother.

no.1gamer

11-18-2003, 07:00 PM

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And sorry, I won't be around much at all now. Over the last week or so, this board has starting festering like a landfill. :o I'm not going to waste my time typing when all I get in return is a change of subject or petty insults toward my mother.</div>

I rarely read an entire post from massimodo anymore. He just mindlessly bashes the Gamecube in EVERY post. Take his post in this thread for example. He says that he'd rather buy the PC port of Halo than Viewtiful Joe. When in fact Viewtiful Joe is widely accepted as a great game. Not that Halo isn't but he already has it on the Xbox.

Now I'll admit that I lash out at the Xbox on occasion but not even close to the extent of Xbots such as mass. I give the Xbox props when it deserves it.

Gadfly2317

11-18-2003, 07:18 PM

<div class=\"smallfont\">Oh, bite me, cube boy, why'd you buy an xbox if the cube lineup was so great. And you're talking about other people being hypocrites. Blah, blah, blah, cube is great. Oh, wait, check that, I need another system. Action talks, BS walks. And your recent action tells a different story concerning the wonders of nintendo and the cube specifically. Cube fan, my ass, think I'll pass on Viewtiful Joe and buy Halo for the pc instead. You've been one confused gamer lately.

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Hey, thanks for predictably stopping by and proving my point. "Bite me." Ha! Must have really hit a raw nerve there :D Truth hurts, eh, Mass? Undoubtedly, "The Wank" Devolved will be showing up and embarrassing himself soon, too.

In regard to your current yammering; there is nothing wrong with thinking the 'cube is great and also buying an xbox, or any other system for that matter. What, suddenly a person has to be "confused" if they buy a second or third system, even if one particular system is their favorite? There are positive and negative things that could be said about all systems; this particular post praised nintendo as a worthy system and scorned the ridiculous posts of the anti-nintendo ranters lately.

Halo PC, bought it on release. Viewtiful Joe, bought it on release. I mentioned one time that I considered waiting until the next pay period to pick it up since I'd just bought a bunch of games, and you harp about it ever after. That's pretty freaking obsessive, Mass, trying to keep tab of which week I buy which game to use as some sort of "gotcha" material. But I admit, weakness of will power set in. . . as all the glowing VJ reviews poured in, I buckled and got it the day it came out. It proved impossible for me to resist yet another excellent Gamecube exclusive.

folken001

11-18-2003, 08:45 PM

folken001

11-18-2003, 08:58 PM

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I rarely read an entire post from massimodo anymore. He just mindlessly bashes the Gamecube in EVERY post. Take his post in this thread for example. He says that he'd rather buy the PC port of Halo than Viewtiful Joe. When in fact Viewtiful Joe is widely accepted as a great game. Not that Halo isn't but he already has it on the Xbox.

Now I'll admit that I lash out at the Xbox on occasion but not even close to the extent of Xbots such as mass. I give the Xbox props when it deserves it.</div>

Who reads Mass' posts anyway? I know Xbots do, and who else? He provides nothing but never ending rant on the same subject over and over. Nintendo needs to do this, Nintendon needs to do that. Nintendo didn't do this and Nitendo didn't do that. Blah blah blah blah...Yawn.... NIntendo should make totally original games, but inspiration is hard to come by. There are way too many games out there for anyone to be original.

Who can't do what Mass does everyday? What is it so hard to point out of obvious? Niiiiice.

Reading his post is like.....Nintendo sucks, Nintendo sucks...blah...blah...blah...ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzz

shogun

11-18-2003, 10:43 PM

Man, first the XBox fanboys use the whole "You can't knock it unless you own it." to cop out of arguments, and now getting a new console means you must not be happy with the ones you have...odd that it's never brought up in the face of multiplatform owners that praise the XBox...

The Prince of Darkness

11-19-2003, 06:19 AM

<div class=\"smallfont\">(This is not anti-xbox or its fans, but is addressing the xbot/Nintendo hater plague that has afflicted this board lately.)

You’d think Gamecube was breathing its last dying breath if you’d spent any time hanging around Systems Wars lately, where a rabid few hate-junkies have been spending their time here spewing anti-Nintendo propaganda into every thread.

The Nintendo-hater’s intensity has been up lately due to the fact Nintendo is rapidly outselling the xbox everywhere in the world. Their rationale is that people aren’t buying the Gamecube because there are any games on it that they want to play. People are only buying a Gamecube because it is the least expensive system. The xbots seem to think droves of people are snatching up Gamecubes to decorate their homes with, and not to play games on. That’s how stupid these yammering drones really are.

Gamecube has all the big 3rd party games of the season like Beyond Good and Evil, Prince of Persia, True Crime, and XIII. Since this destroys the usual xbot argument of “no third party support” all they are left with is the worn out, feeble “but our version is the best.” You can blather on all you want about online and “best versions” till you’re blue in the face but most gamers aren’t gaming online at this point. The fact is that the exceptional Gamecube exclusive library, combined with all these great third party titles, and graphics that are better than the PS2’s for nearly half the price—this is why the Gamecube is outselling the xbox, and it is what’s driving the xbot’s crazy and grasping at straws. For some reason their self-esteem is tied to how well their system is selling.

In their desperation to boost the xbox fall line-up they’ve resorted—as usual—to bragging about PC ports, and have even stooped to proclaiming a TENNIS game of all things as a killer app. Bragging about TENNIS while mocking a well reviewed Kart racer that happens to be one of the most popular gaming franchises in history—now that is not only shameless hypocrisy, it is downright goofed in the head. An xbot will bash Nintendo for its sequels and in the next breath brag about Halo II, and list a string of PC sequels that will soon be on xbox.

I—along with most Gamecube fans here—find it more fun to brag about what’s great about our favorite system, or talk about its successes, then to continually tear down some other system. And you don’t seem to hear the PS2 fans hating the Gamecube. But the thundering herd of xbots would rather spend their time trying–and failing—to tear down the Gamecube. But nothing they can say changes the FACT that the Gamecube has an incredible, extremely fun line-up of TRUE exclusives, plenty of great third party titles, and that it is outselling xbox. The haters can fantasize about Nintendo’s demise all they want, but when it is selling like crazy, it isn’t going anywhere.</div>

Ok Gadfly let's address this crap one point at a time. First, it is not only the Xbots that are spewing hate all over this board. That is the nature of system wars---you pick your favorite system then you defend it. If you end up trashing another console in the process---so be it because it is all in good fun. It just seems like the arguments between Xbox owners and GC owners are more rabid because the competition between the two systems is fierce right now.

As far as the pricepoint of the GC goes---the reason that I use that argument is because I feel it is a VALID POINT. Are you saying that I am a "yammering drone" because you do not agree with a point that I feel is perfectly valid and reasonable. Of course I don't think that people are decorating their homes with Gamecubes. I own a Gamecube, but I am not impressed with the game lineup at all(especially this holiday lineup that you yourself has proclaimed to be so great on a number of occasions.) I just don't see it Gadfly. What I see are more Gamecubes being sold since they dropped the price---end of story.

As far as the Gamecube third party support goes---it is pretty easy to point out four big titles that the GC got, but why not also point out some titles that it DID NOT get. Why not mention the ESPN sports games---that 's right because EA sports games are all you need in your console's library and besides sports games don't count anyway. BS because they sell. Why not mention the GTA double pack---because GC owners are so sophisticated that they did not want it anyway. BS because it sells. You see Gadfly, these arguments seem as old to me, the Xbot, as the old " better version" argument seems to you guys. Get over it.

As far as the Xbox holiday lineup goes here are my favorite games to bring up: Crimson Skies, Topspin, Rainbow Six, Counterstrike, PGR2, Grabbed By the Ghoulies, and Ninja Gaiden. How many PC ports am I bragging about there Gadfly. Also, I don't think that anyone is proclaiming Topspin as a system seller(if they are they are crazy). What they are saying is that it is the best tennis game ever made, and that helps to make an already good lineup even stronger. Anyway, it is all just in response to the incredible GC holiday lineup which has basically been reduced to rubble---Viewtiful Joe and Mario Kart. Sorry Gadfly all I am hearing is that Mario Kart is overrated at 90%, and it needed to be better for anyone to convince me that the GC holiday lineup is worth a damn. That just brings me back to all those GC's flying off the shelves---it must be the price drop because where is the strong hoiliday lineup.

Now to address your final point. I am not all about "tearing down the GC", and I don't really think that it is going anywhere either. What I am is genuinely unimpressed by its game lineup. Sure it has some titles that I enjoy like SSBM, Zelda, and Metroid. The thing is that I will never pick up Zelda and Metroid again because I got bored with them before I even finished them. Hell, even if I had finished them I would never pick them up again because they have no replay value. I think that is why people bring up Xbox Live so much---not because online gaming is the end all but because it is a good selling point for an already good console. The final point that I will make is to say that I guess you expect me to bow down and worship the great old toymaker that is Nintendo just because they practically invented console gaming, but the fact of the matter is that I will not until they show me something. Right now I want to like Nintendo but I am just not impressed. Sorry to disappoint you.

no.1gamer

11-19-2003, 07:29 AM

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Ok Gadfly let's address this crap one point at a time. First, it is not only the Xbots that are spewing hate all over this board. That is the nature of system wars---you pick your favorite system then you defend it. If you end up trashing another console in the process---so be it because it is all in good fun. It just seems like the arguments between Xbox owners and GC owners are more rabid because the competition between the two systems is fierce right now.

As far as the pricepoint of the GC goes---the reason that I use that argument is because I feel it is a VALID POINT. Are you saying that I am a "yammering drone" because you do not agree with a point that I feel is perfectly valid and reasonable. Of course I don't think that people are decorating their homes with Gamecubes. I own a Gamecube, but I am not impressed with the game lineup at all(especially this holiday lineup that you yourself has proclaimed to be so great on a number of occasions.) I just don't see it Gadfly. What I see are more Gamecubes being sold since they dropped the price---end of story.

As far as the Gamecube third party support goes---it is pretty easy to point out four big titles that the GC got, but why not also point out some titles that it DID NOT get. Why not mention the ESPN sports games---that 's right because EA sports games are all you need in your console's library and besides sports games don't count anyway. BS because they sell. Why not mention the GTA double pack---because GC owners are so sophisticated that they did not want it anyway. BS because it sells. You see Gadfly, these arguments seem as old to me, the Xbot, as the old " better version" argument seems to you guys. Get over it.

As far as the Xbox holiday lineup goes here are my favorite games to bring up: Crimson Skies, Topspin, Rainbow Six, Counterstrike, PGR2, Grabbed By the Ghoulies, and Ninja Gaiden. How many PC ports am I bragging about there Gadfly. Also, I don't think that anyone is proclaiming Topspin as a system seller(if they are they are crazy). What they are saying is that it is the best tennis game ever made, and that helps to make an already good lineup even stronger. Anyway, it is all just in response to the incredible GC holiday lineup which has basically been reduced to rubble---Viewtiful Joe and Mario Kart. Sorry Gadfly all I am hearing is that Mario Kart is overrated at 90%, and it needed to be better for anyone to convince me that the GC holiday lineup is worth a damn. That just brings me back to all those GC's flying off the shelves---it must be the price drop because where is the strong hoiliday lineup.

Now to address your final point. I am not all about "tearing down the GC", and I don't really think that it is going anywhere either. What I am is genuinely unimpressed by its game lineup. Sure it has some titles that I enjoy like SSBM, Zelda, and Metroid. The thing is that I will never pick up Zelda and Metroid again because I got bored with them before I even finished them. Hell, even if I had finished them I would never pick them up again because they have no replay value. I think that is why people bring up Xbox Live so much---not because online gaming is the end all but because it is a good selling point for an already good console. The final point that I will make is to say that I guess you expect me to bow down and worship the great old toymaker that is Nintendo just because they practically invented console gaming, but the fact of the matter is that I will not until they show me something. Right now I want to like Nintendo but I am just not impressed. Sorry to disappoint you.</div>

Counterstrike and Grabbed By the Ghoulies both have a slew of mediocre review scores. If you want to start bragging about games that have like 75% averages at gamerankings.com then all 3 consoles will have dozens upon dozens of games to include.

Although I acknowledge Topspin as a good game, I still classify it as a tennis game, which doesn't appeal to me. It would be like you saying that the Xbox has the best pool video game ever. Or the best shuffle board video game. And Mario Tennis will probably be better because it exaggerates the "not fun at all" physical characteristics of real tennis.

Ninja Gaiden isn't out yet so we'll just have to see how it turns out. You Xbots have to stop embarrassing yourselves by bragging about games that aren't out yet, because sometimes they turn out like $hit.

Now as I said in my earlier post, I do give credit to the Xbox when it deserves it. PGR2 and Crimson Skies look like fun games to me. I would really like to play them. Now will you Xbots just admit that you want to play Viewtiful Joe and Mario Kart? Don't worry your other little Xbot friends won't ridicule you, they'll admire your honesty.

The Prince of Darkness

11-19-2003, 07:56 AM

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Counterstrike and Grabbed By the Ghoulies both have a slew of mediocre review scores. If you want to start bragging about games that have like 75% averages at gamerankings.com then all 3 consoles will have dozens upon dozens of games to include.

Although I acknowledge Topspin as a good game, I still classify it as a tennis game, which doesn't appeal to me. It would be like you saying that the Xbox has the best pool video game ever. Or the best shuffle board video game. And Mario Tennis will probably be better because it exaggerates the "not fun at all" physical characteristics of real tennis.

Ninja Gaiden isn't out yet so we'll just have to see how it turns out. You Xbots have to stop embarrassing yourselves by bragging about games that aren't out yet, because sometimes they turn out like $hit.

Now as I said in my earlier post, I do give credit to the Xbox when it deserves it. PGR2 and Crimson Skies look like fun games to me. I would really like to play them. Now will you Xbots just admit that you want to play Viewtiful Joe and Mario Kart? Don't worry your other little Xbot friends won't ridicule you, they'll admire your honesty.</div>

Dozens upon dozens of titles Gamer. Either you are blind, stupid,or both. From the quality of your response my vote is for stupid. Seriously though, which titles are you going to add---Rebel Strike and Mario Party and the soon to be 1080. Go ahead and add them because I was speaking about the holiday lineups as a WHOLE. If you want to reduce this to putting both lineups side by side and analyzing them we can do that. I don't see a point though because you will never convince me that the GC holiday lineup is better or more diverse than the Xbox lineup. It is my opinion and I am sticking to it. Counterstrike is getting average reviews, but I am sure that it is good for what it was intended. Same with Ghoulies---people on this board seem to think that it is underrated just like Voodoo Vince. As far as Ninja Gaiden goes---how about this. I get Ninja Gaiden and you get 1080 since they are both due during the holiday season, but not out yet. That will be a damn joke. A game that has the potential to be GOTY or at least action/adventure GOTY vs. a game that will get nothing less than lost in the shuffle since the new SSX game is out now. I will leave you with this Gamer---read my posts before you spout off about Viewtiful Joe. I have given this game its props on a number of occasions(I never thought that it would sell, but it is a good game nonetheless). In fact, I will be buying it one day---it is on the list. Mario Kart is a different story. That one I took off the list since there are too many people whose opinions I trust that are saying it is overrated. I mean how many racing games do I need right now. We will see though, I may play it and it will knock my socks off. Until then...I have acknowledged that it is a good holiday GC title and that is all.

Daman_He_Hate_Me

11-19-2003, 09:20 AM

Its funny because whether at work, or online, with friends. The one system nobody and I mean nobody is talking about is the GC. I come here and talk about it because its fun, and I usually just respond to the current theme of the site. Recently the theme has been GC is great and making a rebound, and its better than XBOX. So I chime in and slang some heat, because its fun.

But sorry to let you down, seriously, in reality, the XBOX gamers I know never even mention gamecube at all on LIVE. From time to time, discussion will come up about a PS2 game, like GT4 on LIVE etc. But even that is rare. Everyone is just into their XBOX games and competing online. So to you, it may seem as though we live in fear of the GC. We don't! GC games are soooo different than XBOX games, they are almost two different markets. I would actually buy a GC before a PS2, I would never buy a PS2 because it competes directly with the XBOX and loses. I am actually considering buying a GC for my 2 daughters room, but I probably won't but its a possible XMAS gift for them. So, nobody hates the GC, you guys only rain down beat downs on yourself when you compare it to XBOX. I can only say this, the GC can not satisfy XBOX owners gaming needs. To you LIVE is a joke, but there are thousands of people competing in various games online. My friends list filled up, I actually deleted off about 20 or 30 people a while ago, and its filling up again.

Its fun to come in here and argue. But the bottomline is I guess and I hope every group is enjoying their respective consoles. And I guess its hard to understand how an opposing group could be having fun without an XBOX, GC, or PS2 etc. In my mind, I just don't see how anyone with my gaming tastes could game solely on a PS2 or a GC.

mass

11-19-2003, 09:36 AM

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Hey, thanks for predictably stopping by and proving my point. "Bite me." Ha! Must have really hit a raw nerve there :D Truth hurts, eh, Mass? Undoubtedly, "The Wank" Devolved will be showing up and embarrassing himself soon, too.

In regard to your current yammering; there is nothing wrong with thinking the 'cube is great and also buying an xbox, or any other system for that matter. What, suddenly a person has to be "confused" if they buy a second or third system, even if one particular system is their favorite? There are positive and negative things that could be said about all systems; this particular post praised nintendo as a worthy system and scorned the ridiculous posts of the anti-nintendo ranters lately.

Halo PC, bought it on release. Viewtiful Joe, bought it on release. I mentioned one time that I considered waiting until the next pay period to pick it up since I'd just bought a bunch of games, and you harp about it ever after. That's pretty freaking obsessive, Mass, trying to keep tab of which week I buy which game to use as some sort of "gotcha" material. But I admit, weakness of will power set in. . . as all the glowing VJ reviews poured in, I buckled and got it the day it came out. It proved impossible for me to resist yet another excellent Gamecube exclusive.

The only truth that hurts is that the nintendo lineup for the holidays is anemic at best. Notice how you don't talk much about the games. Tell me all about the killer gc holiday lineup, gazoo, or are we going to play your old game of let's extend the holiday season to games in september or perhaps august to make it seem like something worth playing has actually come out for the cube. As for VJ, you were essentially embaressed into buying it. Old gc hater, moi, had his pre-order in, you were putting off your purchase for a month or so. You know what happens then, don't you, month goes by, something else comes along to distract you, you don't buy,

Makes me wonder just how much talk most cubers are when push comes to shove. Do you guys actually buy any games for that precious gc, or do you just talk about buying games for it. It seems to me you guys are more concerned with what the bashers are saying than anything actually coming out for the system.

As for hitting a nerve, looks like the gc bashers go to you big time, if you have to start a long-winded thread just to address the situation. Once again, hypocrisy rears its ugly head. You get peeved, start this thread, and then pretend, oh, yeah, I'm cool. That's predictable.

trebor

11-19-2003, 09:51 AM

Gadfly2317

11-19-2003, 09:53 AM

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Dozens upon dozens of titles Gamer. Either you are blind, stupid,or both. From the quality of your response my vote is for stupid. Seriously though, which titles are you going to add---Rebel Strike and Mario Party and the soon to be 1080. Go ahead and add them because I was speaking about the holiday lineups as a WHOLE. If you want to reduce this to putting both lineups side by side and analyzing them we can do that. I don't see a point though because you will never convince me that the GC holiday lineup is better or more diverse than the Xbox lineup. It is my opinion and I am sticking to it. Counterstrike is getting average reviews, but I am sure that it is good for what it was intended. Same with Ghoulies---people on this board seem to think that it is underrated just like Voodoo Vince. As far as Ninja Gaiden goes---how about this. I get Ninja Gaiden and you get 1080 since they are both due during the holiday season, but not out yet. That will be a damn joke. A game that has the potential to be GOTY or at least action/adventure GOTY vs. a game that will get nothing less than lost in the shuffle since the new SSX game is out now. I will leave you with this Gamer---read my posts before you spout off about Viewtiful Joe. I have given this game its props on a number of occasions(I never thought that it would sell, but it is a good game nonetheless). In fact, I will be buying it one day---it is on the list. Mario Kart is a different story. That one I took off the list since there are too many people whose opinions I trust that are saying it is overrated. I mean how many racing games do I need right now. We will see though, I may play it and it will knock my socks off. Until then...I have acknowledged that it is a good holiday GC title and that is all.</div>

You seem really defensive. Just because you like xbox better than GC doesn't mean you are necessarily part of the "thundering herd of xbots." I don't even think in my post I necessarily said GC is better than Xbox, just that I have enjoyed it more overall. My main beef is with the relentless xbox haters, the most illogical ones, the ones that are extremely hypocritical.

Is Ninja Gaiden actually going to make it out? I hadn't seen a release date and had been under the impression it wasn't going to make it before xmas. It does seem an odd game to compare to 1080 snowboarding though.

Here's something for you to chew on--I think xbox's fall line-up has a slight edge over the Gamecube's, but that they are so different that it is really hard to compare them. You are looking at two really different kinds of gaming experiences, both of which ought to be enjoyed by gamers with diverse taste. One thing though as I cheer my favorite system on this holiday season is that I do think it has a better line-up of seriously fun true exclusives, and that--in conjunction with a great price--makes it the system of choice for those getting their first or second next gen system. At $99, no one should have to miss out on Metroid, Zelda, Mario Kart, Ikaruga, Resident Evil 0, Eternal Darkness, F-Zero, Viewtiful Joe, Pikmin. . .and on and on. I even think Mario Sunshine is a game people shouldn't miss out on, even if it isn't the most groundbreaking platformer of this generation. And with all those exclusives + third party games like Splinter Cell, Hitman II, True Crime, Prince of Persia, BG&E, XIII, anyone looking to get their first next gen system is getting one hell of a range of top notch games to choose from. So it's missing GTA? No system has everything. But GTA is readily available, its even on PC. Metroid and all those other games I mentioned are NOWHERE else.

I'll agree with you that Voodoo Vince is underrated, but I don't agree that Mario Kart--at around 90%--is over rated. It IS more Mario Kart, but it is extremely fun. And Mass griping about uninspired level design, I just don't get it. One of the levels has you tearing around a freaking cruise ship, with a short cut through the cargo hold, dining room tables sliding back in forth in your way; even the special item powerups move around making them a challenge to get. Anyone who likes Mario Kart will find enough old and new to make this game worthwhile. The character switching is more than just a gimmick, and it adds strategic elements. As one of the ultimate multi-player games, this one has replay value that will keep it fresh for a long time to come. And I don't even know what Mass was talking about with "terrible rubberbanding." I won one race and the closest competitor was 20 seconds behind (on the mushroom cup) If you get ahead, you're ahead. I haven't seen any unusual defiance of physics by the computer competitiors. Yet the game is not easy. While it is not hard like F-Zero or Mercedez Benz racing, I have played the hell out of it and its pissing me off that I haven't gotten all the gold trophies yet in the main modes. And whining about sequels and lack of innovation. . . hell, EVERY game made is doing nothing more than eking out new wrinkles of game-play from well-worn formulas and genres. There are very few games that would truly qualify as innovative on any system.

Anyway, nitpicking which system has the edge in the fall line-up or looking at weakness in the overall line-up is one thing, but I just don't see any point in the constant and bitter anti-nintendo ranting that some people engage in here. It seems more like mental illness than debate.

sw33tjimmy

11-19-2003, 10:09 AM

<div class=\"smallfont\">Man, first the XBox fanboys use the whole "You can't knock it unless you own it." to cop out of arguments, and now getting a new console means you must not be happy with the ones you have...odd that it's never brought up in the face of multiplatform owners that praise the XBox...</div>

this is the sort of reason why i don't post here hardly anymore. I'm tired of associating myself with these folks simply because i'm an xbox fan, too. It would be a different story if it was all lighthearted joking but you can almost see these posters' throbbing forehead veins in their writing.

It's sad that the xbox has a tendency for drawing ingrates. I don't know why, it's honestly a good console and it's really picking up speed lately. There are a lot of good games out for it finally and a few excellent Live games, too (not just one or two anymore).

I know a good number of xbox owners via real life, the web, and from Xbox Live and I've yet to meet one that shows a fraction of the hatred for other consoles that I see in these posts. On the flip side, I know a number of ps2 owners, too, and I've yet to meet one that supports sony as blindly as folken (but with a larger user base the odds of finding ps2 zealots is going to be infinately better). Sadly, I only know one GCN owner and she will be faithful to nintendo til the day she dies. She's not foaming at the mouth or anything, she just loves nintendo franchises and always has.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the console war was over a long time ago and the consumers where the big winners. I think we all just need to realize that without 3 consoles on the market, Gamecubes would not be selling for $100 right now, MS would probably be releasing more games like Brute Force (blech), and sony would have no intention of adding an integrated hard drive into their next console.

/me climbs down from soapbox

trebor

11-19-2003, 10:15 AM

I'll agree with you that Voodoo Vince is underrated, but I don't agree that Mario Kart--at around 90%--is over rated. It IS more Mario Kart, but it is extremely fun. And Mass griping about uninspired level design, I just don't get it. One of the levels has you tearing around a freaking cruise ship, with a short cut through the cargo hold, dining room tables sliding back in forth in your way; even the special item powerups move around making them a challenge to get. Anyone who likes Mario Kart will find enough old and new to make this game worthwhile. The character switching is more than just a gimmick, and it adds strategic elements. As one of the ultimate multi-player games, this one has replay value that will keep it fresh for a long time to come. And I don't even know what Mass was talking about with "terrible rubberbanding." I won one race and the closest competitor was 20 seconds behind (on the mushroom cup) If you get ahead, you're ahead. I haven't seen any unusual defiance of physics by the computer competitiors. Yet the game is not easy. While it is not hard like F-Zero or Mercedez Benz racing, I have played the hell out of it and its pissing me off that I haven't gotten all the gold trophies yet in the main modes. And whining about sequels and lack of innovation. . . hell, EVERY game made is doing nothing more than eking out new wrinkles of game-play from well-worn formulas and genres. There are very few games that would truly qualify as innovative on any system.

I'm just going to go on record here and say that I believe MK-DD is, by and far, the best MK game ever released. Anyone who was a fan of the original, the N64 or the GBA versions is only hurting themselves if they write-off DD as a "rehash".

I played it for hours last night and it has a totally different feel than the N64 version. The 2 - man kart deal is more than just a "gimmick" - it's the difference between winning and losing if you use it correctly.

And MAN, it is smoooooth. It's the smoothest racing game I've ever played. It's like the butter syrup it's so smooth.

If Mass-hole is complaining (shocking, I know) about the AI in the 50cc, then you should just laugh in his face right now. The 50cc mode is the easiest and slowest out of the three modes. It's like Massy just said "I played MK on "easy" mode and it was too easy" at which point we should all say "shut up Mass".

trebor

11-19-2003, 10:18 AM

this is the sort of reason why i don't post here hardly anymore. I'm tired of associating myself with these folks simply because i'm an xbox fan, too. It would be a different story if it was all lighthearted joking but you can almost see these posters' throbbing forehead veins in their writing.

It's sad that the xbox has a tendency for drawing ingrates.

You see, this is the exact reason why you should post here more often. Lead by example.

You, Darwin, Prince of Darkness and The Buzz are my personal favorites of the Xbox crowd, around here. All four of you can argue in favor of your system, but not rely completely on insults and flames. Whereas the actual Xboyz® need to have their Xbox's taken away from them for a week or two and to sit in the corner and think about how they have been acting.

mass

11-19-2003, 11:41 AM

Here is my perception of the fighting tactics between Kitty-Cubers and Xboyz®...

Cubers, such as myself, will post hard data about sales, market share growth, and other various numbers such as worldwide installed user bases. This is usually met with much disdain and hatred from the Xboy crowd, despite the fact that sales numbers and market shares are real, tangible things to argue in favor of the Cube.

I rarely, if ever, have seen a Cuber post a thread that is solely intended to bash the Xbox, or it's software line-up. Unlike certain Xboyz® (Mass-hole) who start a thread that has nothing other than anti-Nintendo rhetoric being spewed everywhere.

Seriously, I've never seen one thread that is specifically anti-Xbox from a Cuber. Yes, we will use anti-Xbox arguments in the context of a debate, but never as the main purpose of a thread. Mass-hole, on the other hand, starts more threads about how much he hates the Gamecube instead of how much he likes his Xbox. Kind of twisted and sick, if you ask me, to spend more time involved with something you hate as opposed to something you like.

Xboyz®, on the other foot, use dispicable tactics. They rarely use hard data, like sales, to defend their system. All their ammo is anti-Nintendo this, "Kitty" Cube that, Mario sucks, Nintendo sucks, etc., etc. Most of which is incredibly hypocritical - dissing the Gamecube library, on one side, for being "N64" rehashes, and on the other side, bragging about all their great PC rehashes they are looking forward to.

Something like... "Gamecube library is nothing but crappy sequels and remakes" and then bragging about Ninja Gaiden (remake), Halo 2, Deus Ex 2, Doom 3, Counter-Strike (4 year old PC port), Rainbow Six 3, and Halo 2 (again). Nothing but remakes and sequels.

The Xboyz® are so much like politicians that it sickens me at times. Instead of positively talking about their own system, they have to undermine and trash-talk the opposition - just like the commericals you see right before an election. Muck-raking is the term for when politicians do it. It's quite pathetic and abundantly obvious to readers.

In general, I never see PS2 "milk-drinkers" bashing the other systems - they don't have to. As a whole, I see more "Kitty"-Cubers defending or positively speaking about their system. Xboyz® resort to the trash-talking. As it stands, in worldwide sales, the PS2 is # 1, the Gamecube is # 2 and the Xbox is # 3. So if you look at it, in essence, trash-talking Xboyz® are nothing more than POOR LOSERS.

Yet another major gc hypocrite shows up to blow off steam. You post hard data when and if any hard data materializes to show the gc is doing anything. When the xbox crowd posts hard data, it's discounted as irrelevant. You and your obnoxious posts about gc being #2 in NA for what a month. And what about all the other months the gc was #3 in the NA market. Still clinging to worldwide sales numbers. As if they're meaningful to the north american market or north american publishers.
Don't like the posts, don't read them buttmunch. Feel free to put me on your Ignore list at anytime. I've been posting concerning nintendo's recent press releases and I've cited responses from the gaming press who are just as dubious as I am concerning what the hell nintendo is up to. I also posted concerning xbox games scoring well on IGN, so I guess your theory about me not talking about xbox games is just so much bs, but then most of your postings are just that. BS.

Problem with you cubbies, is that you can't face the thought that you've been played and are being played for patsies by Nintendo. More Mario and the gang, eaiser games, pokemon around the corner, hey get that pre-order in for Pokemon Channel. New mystery product for 2004. Welcome to nintendo's brave new world of auto-assist, for gamers so incompetent or lazy, that they prefer to watch then to play. I'm sure Kirby's Air Ride is just the tip of the auto-assist iceberg. Nintendo, the system for gamers who just like to pretend they're gaming. Look ma, no hands.

You guys and your bragging about how great the gc the holiday lineup would be and what would the xbox do. What a laugh, what a joke. What lineup? Mario Kart DD and what else. An n64 rehash that's been dumbed down if such a thing is possible and this is your big AAA title for xmas. LMAO!! 1080 Avalanche, another resurrected franchise that is supposed to what, replace SSX3? Pokemon Channel. FF:CC with its compulsory GBA requirements for multiplayer. Kirby's Air Ride, Wario World, Mario Golf, Mario Party 5, Rebel Strike, this isnt a lineup, this is a trip into the way-back machine. Let's just all pretend, that no advancements in gaming have been made, and we're back in 1996 and the n64 has just launched. Pikmin 2 delayed to what may, summer now. AC2, don't even hear about that one anymore. What happened to Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes. I mean, how long does it take to port an existing game over with souped up graphics anyway. Cry in your milk, boys, but 2003 will be a worse xmas than 2002 was. Take away the price cut, and the gc systems would sit there collecting dust like they were before the price cut.

Hey, if it makes you feel any better, if I could get anything for a gc, I'd dump it, but who would I sell it to, and what could I possibly get for it.

mass

11-19-2003, 11:53 AM

I'm just going to go on record here and say that I believe MK-DD is, by and far, the best MK game ever released. Anyone who was a fan of the original, the N64 or the GBA versions is only hurting themselves if they write-off DD as a "rehash".

I played it for hours last night and it has a totally different feel than the N64 version. The 2 - man kart deal is more than just a "gimmick" - it's the difference between winning and losing if you use it correctly.

And MAN, it is smoooooth. It's the smoothest racing game I've ever played. It's like the butter syrup it's so smooth.

If Mass-hole is complaining (shocking, I know) about the AI in the 50cc, then you should just laugh in his face right now. The 50cc mode is the easiest and slowest out of the three modes. It's like Massy just said "I played MK on "easy" mode and it was too easy" at which point we should all say "shut up Mass".

50 cc mode is a joke compard to previous versions. It's not just slow, it's sominex inducing. You can fall asleep in 50cc mode. 50 cc mode is borinnnnngggggg!!!! Didn't used to be that way. Sad, really, when nintendo owners demand so little. Well, like they say, if god didn't intend to them to be sheared, he wouldn't have made them sheep. BAAAAA!! Enjoy your mario snooze kart.

trebor

11-19-2003, 12:14 PM

Yet another major gc hypocrite shows up to blow off steam. You post hard data when and if any hard data materializes to show the gc is doing anything. When the xbox crowd posts hard data, it's discounted as irrelevant. You and your obnoxious posts about gc being #2 in NA for what a month. And what about all the other months the gc was #3 in the NA market. Still clinging to worldwide sales numbers. As if they're meaningful to the north american market or north american publishers.

Yeah, Mass, worldwide installed user bases are not important to NA software developers :rolleyes:

Also, there is a big difference between "the xbox crowd" and actual "Xbots" - which is what I believe Gadfly is getting at in this thread. You, unfortunately, are an "Xbot".

Don't like the posts, don't read them buttmunch. Feel free to put me on your Ignore list at anytime. I've been posting concerning nintendo's recent press releases and I've cited responses from the gaming press who are just as dubious as I am concerning what the hell nintendo is up to. I also posted concerning xbox games scoring well on IGN, so I guess your theory about me not talking about xbox games is just so much bs, but then most of your postings are just that. BS.

Hey, I try reading your posts, but they just end up being the same anti-Nintendo rhetoric BS in every single post, so I don't really bother anymore - just look at the quote below this sentance to see what I mean.

Problem with you cubbies, is that you can't face the thought that you've been played and are being played for patsies by Nintendo. More Mario and the gang, eaiser games, pokemon around the corner, hey get that pre-order in for Pokemon Channel. New mystery product for 2004. Welcome to nintendo's brave new world of auto-assist, for gamers so incompetent or lazy, that they prefer to watch then to play. I'm sure Kirby's Air Ride is just the tip of the auto-assist iceberg. Nintendo, the system for gamers who just like to pretend they're gaming. Look ma, no hands.

You guys and your bragging about how great the gc the holiday lineup would be and what would the xbox do. What a laugh, what a joke. What lineup? Mario Kart DD and what else. An n64 rehash that's been dumbed down if such a thing is possible and this is your big AAA title for xmas. LMAO!! 1080 Avalanche, another resurrected franchise that is supposed to what, replace SSX3? Pokemon Channel. FF:CC with its compulsory GBA requirements for multiplayer. Kirby's Air Ride, Wario World, Mario Golf, Mario Party 5, Rebel Strike, this isnt a lineup, this is a trip into the way-back machine. Let's just all pretend, that no advancements in gaming have been made, and we're back in 1996 and the n64 has just launched. Pikmin 2 delayed to what may, summer now. AC2, don't even hear about that one anymore. What happened to Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes. I mean, how long does it take to port an existing game over with souped up graphics anyway. Cry in your milk, boys, but 2003 will be a worse xmas than 2002 was. Take away the price cut, and the gc systems would sit there collecting dust like they were before the price cut.

Hey, if it makes you feel any better, if I could get anything for a gc, I'd dump it, but who would I sell it to, and what could I possibly get for it.

You see? This is what I'm talking about - it's part Xbot rhetoric and part gibberish. 100% boring. You can't even make it through one single post before launching into your hate-spewing Xbot mode. What does any of this crap have to do with the actual topic of this thread?

trebor

11-19-2003, 12:16 PM

50 cc mode is a joke compard to previous versions. It's not just slow, it's sominex inducing. You can fall asleep in 50cc mode. 50 cc mode is borinnnnngggggg!!!! Didn't used to be that way. Sad, really, when nintendo owners demand so little. Well, like they say, if god didn't intend to them to be sheared, he wouldn't have made them sheep. BAAAAA!! Enjoy your mario snooze kart.

Shut up Mass.

shogun

11-19-2003, 12:19 PM

<div class=\"smallfont\">Shut up Mass.</div>

:D :p :D

(50cc is for children)

meagher72

11-19-2003, 12:25 PM

....the console war was over a long time ago and the consumers where the big winners. I think we all just need to realize that without 3 consoles on the market, Gamecubes would not be selling for $100 right now, MS would probably be releasing more games like Brute Force (blech), and sony would have no intention of adding an integrated hard drive into their next console....

NICE!

A bow I must give to you.

Gadfly2317

11-19-2003, 05:35 PM

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:D :p :D

(50cc is for children)</div>

Yeah, you're right. And Mass-ively Boring acts like he hates children or anything that might appeal to them. He's mocking Pokemon Channel for Christ's sake. Maybe he'll thrash on Nemo next--oh wait--that was a multi-system kids game. The only stupid kids games are on Nintendo.

That's the genius of Mario Kart, is that it is a game that appeals to all age and skill levels (unlike other nintendo exclusives like Eternal Darkness and F-Zero.). Yeah, 50cc is ridiculously easy like Mass says, like that is necessarily a bad thing. I doubt anyone here spends anytime playing 50cc beyond getting the obligatory trophy to unlock modes. But I can race 150cc modes with my xbox loving gamer friends and have a blast and I can play it on 50cc mode with my pre-teen daughter (who is not a master gamer by any means) and have a blast. I can't imagine what kind of twist of mind could drive a forty year old man to an internet message board to repeatededly and bitterly bash a game that brings friends and families together in totally light-hearted, fun interactive experience.

I don't have it in for Mass or anything. If he doesn't like this game, whatever. I gotta say though, I just shake my head in bewilderment.

Gadfly2317

11-19-2003, 05:49 PM

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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the console war was over a long time ago and the consumers where the big winners. I think we all just need to realize that without 3 consoles on the market, Gamecubes would not be selling for $100 right now, MS would probably be releasing more games like Brute Force (blech), and sony would have no intention of adding an integrated hard drive into their next console.

/me climbs down from soapbox</div>

Applause.

Good to see you around.

"The Game"Evolution

11-19-2003, 09:42 PM

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I guess my original post was too offensive, so the mod took it off. Still, what I said was true. Xbots do have the tendency of blasting at GC for being inferior every once a while. Most of the xbots don't even own a GC nor do they play GC games. Like Mass, TWO websites gave like 8 out of 10 for Mario Kart, Nintendo is doomed to him. Blah. Too bad, xbots can't do the same to ps2 because they know PS2 kicks Xbox's behind in terms of popularity, game library and sale. Lucky for me, I guess. Otherwise, I have to read even more trash from XBox's zoobies..</div>

Folken You badmouth the Xbox all the time without even playing half of the games thats on it.But yet you always praise everything thats on the PS2. Even when some of the games is total crap at times.Thats pretty funny.

Plus How do you know what games most of us care to play? Oh thats right you dont.PS2 kicks the Xbox's rear in terms of popularity,game librairy,and sales.Your words.Really? Lets see The Xbox has online fighting games.The PS2 has none.Tenchu:Online is coming to the Xbox.PS2 doesnt have an online Ninja Game at all.Xbox has a Tennis game that can be played online.The PS2 has the saddest list of Tennis games other than a DC port of Virtua Tennis 2.

PS2 has more Platformers and RPG's than the Xbox does.But thats where it ends.(Besides what RPG is better than KOTOR on the PS2 this year?) (Nothing)

Yes the PS2 is more popular and yes the game sales are way ahead of the Xbox's.But when it comes to the games Xbox rules.And the PS2 also rules.Since I own them both I cant help but laugh at GC owners.

Lately Folken you havent been talking about how great the games you're supposed to be playing has been.All you've been doing besides dodging facing me online one more time is running your mouth about nada.Talking about online games that you've never played.Badmouthing things thats obvious you know nothing about.I used to do that.But now I actually play more games on other things before I question them now.

You ought to try it sometime Capt.Sony.

Renzatic Gear

11-19-2003, 09:52 PM

Since when has anyone around here given half a crap about tennis games? So what if the Xbox has a good one, that game alone won't make people flock to buy a new console.

"The Game"Evolution

11-20-2003, 02:54 AM

<div class=\"smallfont\">Since when has anyone around here given half a crap about tennis games? So what if the Xbox has a good one, that game alone won't make people flock to buy a new console.</div>

A good Tennis game is hard to come by these days.The last great Tennis games was the DC's Virtua Tennis 1 & 2.Then the kiddie Tennis gam Mario Tennis.Since then some of the crappiest Tennis games has been on the PS2.Finally theres Top Spin from MS on the Xbox.A sports title thats received stellar reviews from every top videogame website and on top of all that its an online sports title as well.

Since when did you speak for everyone? I'm pretty sure there are alot of gamers around here that love sports games right? Right.Yes there is Football,Baseball,and Basketball.But we've also got Racing,Boxing,Soccor,Hockey,and once again we have a great Tennis game.

No one title alone for any console will make gamers flock to it.Some titles indeed makes a console more appetizing indeed.However why hate on a great game? Its a great game and it can be played online.This time out the game isnt on the PS2 or the Gamecube.Its on the Xbox.

Isnt having a great variety in all genres is what console owners want? So why the negative post towards a great sports title Gear?

Renzatic Gear

11-20-2003, 03:29 AM

I'm not ragging on a great Xbox game, I'm ragging on a tennis game. I mean comeon, you can't say that Topspin will ever reach the popularity of a good hockey or football game no matter how highly it scores and probably won't end up at the top of anyones must-have list.

If I were to throw Topspin on a list of GC games you'd rag the hell out of it and probably say something fairly similar to what I'm saying now. It's just not something you'd really brag about unless you wanted some filler to pad your high scoring Xbox games list.

But if it makes you feel better and sleep easier at night then you'll breath easier knowing that I consider games like Mario Tennis and the Virtua Tennis series to be in the same boat. It's tennis, who cares? I'm surprised that it's even come up in another one of these which-is-better arguments.

mass

11-20-2003, 03:57 AM

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Yeah, you're right. And Mass-ively Boring acts like he hates children or anything that might appeal to them. He's mocking Pokemon Channel for Christ's sake. Maybe he'll thrash on Nemo next--oh wait--that was a multi-system kids game. The only stupid kids games are on Nintendo.

That's the genius of Mario Kart, is that it is a game that appeals to all age and skill levels (unlike other nintendo exclusives like Eternal Darkness and F-Zero.). Yeah, 50cc is ridiculously easy like Mass says, like that is necessarily a bad thing. I doubt anyone here spends anytime playing 50cc beyond getting the obligatory trophy to unlock modes. But I can race 150cc modes with my xbox loving gamer friends and have a blast and I can play it on 50cc mode with my pre-teen daughter (who is not a master gamer by any means) and have a blast. I can't imagine what kind of twist of mind could drive a forty year old man to an internet message board to repeatededly and bitterly bash a game that brings friends and families together in totally light-hearted, fun interactive experience.

I don't have it in for Mass or anything. If he doesn't like this game, whatever. I gotta say though, I just shake my head in bewilderment.</div>

The only genius in Mario Kart DD is how nintendo suckers dupes like you into paying full price for the same game over again, this time with double ass action. You know, I played 4 player split-screen rallisport challenge with my son and two of his friends and had a blast. Meanwhile, I can also play this game single player and get a real workout. You keep making this big effin' deal about how nintendo makes games that appeal to all ages, like it was something special, when there are any number of games out there that appeal to gamers of all ages. For a game to appeal to all ages, it doesn't have to look a saturday morning cartoon, nor does it have to feature nintendo's overused, well past their welcome, saturday morning reject cast of characters. Banana peels, turtle shells, lightning bolts, I'm sorry, haven't we all seen this before.

Pokemon Channel doesn't need my mockery. Anyone who's entertained by that yellow electric rat, possum, whatever needs to have their head examined. Pokemon snap, hey, give me a light gun game instead where I can shoot all those frickin' pokemon instead of taking their pictures. I'd buy that for a dollar.

"The Game"Evolution

11-20-2003, 04:38 AM

<div class=\"smallfont\">I'm not ragging on a great Xbox game, I'm ragging on a tennis game. I mean comeon, you can't say that Topspin will ever reach the popularity of a good hockey or football game no matter how highly it scores and probably won't end up at the top of anyones must-have list.

If I were to throw Topspin on a list of GC games you'd rag the hell out of it and probably say something fairly similar to what I'm saying now. It's just not something you'd really brag about unless you wanted some filler to pad your high scoring Xbox games list.

But if it makes you feel better and sleep easier at night then you'll breath easier knowing that I consider games like Mario Tennis and the Virtua Tennis series to be in the same boat. It's tennis, who cares? I'm surprised that it's even come up in another one of these which-is-better arguments.</div>

I am not going to rag you if you throw Top Spin on a list of GC games.A great game is a great game.Regardless of what console its on.There are alot of gamers out there that loves sports games period.Hell I really never thought I would love to play a game of Tennis on a videogame console.But Virtua Tennis on the Dreamcast made me see things from a different perspective all together.

I could care less what anyone thought of me buying a Tennis game.Besides Mario Tennis is a fun kiddie game to basically teach youngsters the basics of Tennis.Games like Top Spin and Virtua Tennis is for gamers that was to play Tennis on a competitive level.Yes it is Tennis.But its a sport.And its also a game that can be played online.

Maybe if you played Virtua Tennis on the DC you would have a new respect for it Gear.

Gadfly2317

11-20-2003, 05:22 AM

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The only genius in Mario Kart DD is how nintendo suckers dupes like you into paying full price for the same game over again, this time with double ass action. You know, I played 4 player split-screen rallisport challenge with my son and two of his friends and had a blast. Meanwhile, I can also play this game single player and get a real workout. You keep making this big effin' deal about how nintendo makes games that appeal to all ages, like it was something special, when there are any number of games out there that appeal to gamers of all ages. For a game to appeal to all ages, it doesn't have to look a saturday morning cartoon, nor does it have to feature nintendo's overused, well past their welcome, saturday morning reject cast of characters. Banana peels, turtle shells, lightning bolts, I'm sorry, haven't we all seen this before.

Pokemon Channel doesn't need my mockery. Anyone who's entertained by that yellow electric rat, possum, whatever needs to have their head examined. Pokemon snap, hey, give me a light gun game instead where I can shoot all those frickin' pokemon instead of taking their pictures. I'd buy that for a dollar.</div>

Rallisport Challenge is a great game. Skill level is pretty high for some younger gamers. Mario Kart is a little easier for the casual gamer. Big deal. I like hard games, but there is something to be said for a game that is universally fun and accessible to anyone.

Have we never seen a rally racing game before? So why do you have it in for banana peels and turtle shells making a reappearance (with the addition of all kinds of other weapons--I mean hell, it is freaking crazy when your cart is being dragged around the track by a giant chain chomp gobbling up your fellow racers.)

Anyway, there is no agreeing on this one. You see it as a rehash. I see most games as rehashes, especially racing games. But I like racing games; new ones are all about different tracks, and better graphics, physics, and AI. . I don't have a problem with Nintendo sequels, and you do. But one thing I really don't understand, with as few minor upgrades as most sequels seem to get, how you can think MKDD is a "total rehash." I've played them both extensively, and there are so many little differences in this new game. . . I've seen few racing games EVER that have stayed true to the core experience while adding so much. In terms of evolution, the step between this game and MK64 is virtual light years. It makes the difference between Gran Turismo I and III seem very slight. I mean, hell, co-op/two players in a cart alone is a hell of an addition. And the tracks. . . this is not just some pretty graphics on the same basic track style like GT4. These tracks. . . .

oh hell, I give up. I love this new Mario Kart, and a lot of others do. The new tracks kick ass. You hate it for whatever reason, there's no convincing you.

no.1gamer

11-20-2003, 07:11 AM

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The only genius in Mario Kart DD is how nintendo suckers dupes like you into paying full price for the same game over again, this time with double ass action. You know, I played 4 player split-screen rallisport challenge with my son and two of his friends and had a blast. Meanwhile, I can also play this game single player and get a real workout. You keep making this big effin' deal about how nintendo makes games that appeal to all ages, like it was something special, when there are any number of games out there that appeal to gamers of all ages. For a game to appeal to all ages, it doesn't have to look a saturday morning cartoon, nor does it have to feature nintendo's overused, well past their welcome, saturday morning reject cast of characters. Banana peels, turtle shells, lightning bolts, I'm sorry, haven't we all seen this before. </div>

Yes and no. My girlfriend saw a picture of MKDD in the newspaper (about a month ago) and said that we simply must have that game. And when I tell my little cousins (they have a PS2) I got the new Mario Kart game they will be overjoyed. If I told any of these people I have Rallysport Challenge for Xbox they wouldn't even know what it is. If I told them I got Halo 2 for Xbox they wouldn't really care much less even want to play it. Nintendo is known for creating games that appeal to casual gamers as well as hardcore gamers.

Before you fly off the deep end about my Halo 2 comment, I'm not saying that it will have a crappy multiplayer or anything. In fact I am looking forward to playing Halo 2 just as much as any Xbot. However, I am a hardcore gamer. And sorry but most Xbox games don't appeal to casual gamers (including females and kids). While gathering 4 people to participate in multiplayer gaming there is usually one or 2 people that are females or kids.

And I doubt that you really have even played MKDD mass, you idiot. If you do get the chance try 150cc mode (I haven't even gotten that far yet) and try to tell me MKDD is easy. And if you want a racing game that has mind-boggling speed buy F-Zero GX not MKDD. Do you expect cartoon characters on go-carts to drive 200 mph?

shogun

11-20-2003, 07:29 AM

He hates it because it's a Nintendo game.

It's not because it's a "rehash", that's for sure. Despite, Mass accusing Nintendo of reusing the same idea over and over again, this is only the third iteration of Mario Kart...any of you want to take a guess as to how many XBox games become "rehashes" if they are the third in the series?

Midtown Madness 3
Project Gotham 2
Panzer Dragoon Orta
DOA3
Unreal Tourney
Capcom vs SNK EO
Crazy Taxi 3
Doom 3
Sega GT

All horrible, horrible games, not worth playing :D

trebor

11-20-2003, 09:20 AM

I don't get this whole "MK-DD is a rehash, Nintendo sucks!" mentality at all. Yes, the name of the game is "Mario Kart" and it has a familiar cast of characters - but that's about the only thing you could say is a rehash. Red shells, green shells, mushrooms, lighting bolts - these are all staples of the Mario Kart series and they damn well better be in it.

You know that if MK-DD didn't have red shells, green shells, mushrooms and lighting bolts Mass-hole would be complaining about it. He will find some reason, or another, to dislike this game simply because it was designed by "Nintendo". Such hatred isn't good for the soul, you know?

This game simply has a different feel to it than it's predecessors. The 2-man team deal at first seems "gimmicky" until you notice how much inherant strategy is involved with a two member team. This isn't MK64 with better graphics.

Also, one thing I realized, is that this is the perfect game for Mario-haters. Where else would you have the perfect medium to unleash torment and damage to your least favorite plumber, other than MK? Think about it.

The Buzz

11-20-2003, 09:33 AM

<div class=\"smallfont\">You see, this is the exact reason why you should post here more often. Lead by example.

You, Darwin, Prince of Darkness and The Buzz are my personal favorites of the Xbox crowd, around here. All four of you can argue in favor of your system, but not rely completely on insults and flames. Whereas the actual Xboyz® need to have their Xbox's taken away from them for a week or two and to sit in the corner and think about how they have been acting.</div>

Funny you consider me part of the Xbox "crowd" around here. I'd consider myself much more the quintessential "multiplatform" gamer. Actually...I guess I am <b>part</b> of it but I'm also a member of the PS2, N64, Saturn, Dreamcast, Genesis, NES, ATARI 5200, Vectrex, Neo Geo PC, and GBA:SP "crowd" for I own and still play them all. (some much more than others)
Xbox is not my "favorite system." I don't "have" a favorite...it's just <b>one</b> of my systems. I have favorite <b>games</b>...
I'll admit I think very highly of my Xbox and most of the new titles I'm buying are Xbox games or Xbox versions.

Video games are a hobby of mine and I visit here because I like talking about them when I have some spare time. I still search for and buy games for all my game systems. Recently I've ordered/purchased:

(1) DC game...
(8) Xbox games...
(4) PS2 games...
(1) Saturn game...

Personally, I still think GC's lineup is the "weakest" of the current "Next Gen" consoles unless you happen to be of the younger generation of gamers. That's Nintendo's main target market and they freely admit it. I also realize there's a number of GC titles that "I" want to experience and <b>will</b> at some point...in the not to distant future.

The way I feel is...don't try to cram a system or game down my throat. I buy, play, and enjoy, most everything as is and no "Xbot", "Cubie", or "PS2'er" will convince me that any one system sucks or is by far the best. It all comes down to what's fun!

trebor

11-20-2003, 09:43 AM

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Funny you consider me part of the Xbox "crowd" around here. I'd consider myself much more the quintessential "multiplatform" gamer. Actually...I guess I am <b>part</b> of it but I'm also a member of the PS2, N64, Saturn, Dreamcast, Genesis, NES, ATARI 5200, Vectrex, Neo Geo PC, and GBA:SP "crowd" for I own and still play them all. (some much more than others)
Xbox is not my "favorite system." I don't "have" a favorite...it's just <b>one</b> of my systems. I have favorite <b>games</b>...
I'll admit I think very highly of my Xbox and most of the new titles I'm buying are Xbox games or Xbox versions.

Video games are a hobby of mine and I visit here because I like talking about them when I have some spare time. I still search for and buy games for all my game systems. Recently I've ordered/purchased:

(1) DC game...
(8) Xbox games...
(4) PS2 games...
(1) Saturn game...

Personally, I still think GC's lineup is the "weakest" of the current "Next Gen" consoles unless you happen to be of the younger generation of gamers. That's Nintendo's main target market and they freely admit it. I also realize there's a number of GC titles that "I" want to experience and <b>will</b> at some point...in the not to distant future.

The way I feel is...don't try to cram a system or game down my throat. I buy, play, and enjoy, most everything as is and no "Xbot", "Cubie", or "PS2'er" will convince me that any one system sucks or is by far the best. It all comes down to what's fun!

Well, notice I called you one of the "Xbox crowd" as opposed to one of the Xboyz® which is my little term for an "Xbot". You just seem to favor the Xbox over the other consoles, so I consider you a "Xbox crowd" kind of guy.

If you have enough love for all the systems you mentioned, then it is kind of a travesty that you don't own a Gamecube. If even for just GC exclusives, it's a worthy purchase. If fun is what you are looking for, then you really aren't being fair to yourself to deny yourself some of the very best games that are available for this generation of consoles.

Darwin

11-20-2003, 09:47 AM

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Oh, by the way, Top Spin is a very good title and beats out Virtua Tennis handily. Not perfect, but definitely worthy of purchase consideration. So much to choose from on the xbox, so little to even consider on the cube. And, oh, the ps2 is beating the stuffings out of the cube on the software front as well.</div>

Top spin is a very good game indeed, offline or online. And the game is a lot deeper and challenging than Sega's Virtua Tennis. The game has 6 different serves/hits/vollies and each must be times correctly for the best possible hit. It's pretty amazing the control you have over hitting the ball. I think this is the main reason why I find the game so hard. I am getting spanked on Easy mode. However, a game that is this challenging and has a considerable learning curne often times results in more replay value. Overall, I am impressed and amazed at how complex and difficult a tennis game can be. The only complaint I have: it would be nice to have one or two more views than the two that are in the game now.

This does not bode well for the X-hater's stance that Xbox relies on Racers and FPS's.

Darwin

11-20-2003, 10:07 AM

trebor

11-20-2003, 10:36 AM

This does not bode well for the X-hater's stance that Xbox relies on Racers and FPS's.

It does bode well for X-hater's stance that Xbox relies on Racers, FPS's and sports titles, though.

The Buzz

11-20-2003, 01:14 PM

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Well, notice I called you one of the "Xbox crowd" as opposed to one of the Xboyz® which is my little term for an "Xbot". You just seem to favor the Xbox over the other consoles, so I consider you a "Xbox crowd" kind of guy.

If you have enough love for all the systems you mentioned, then it is kind of a travesty that you don't own a Gamecube. If even for just GC exclusives, it's a worthy purchase. If fun is what you are looking for, then you really aren't being fair to yourself to deny yourself some of the very best games that are available for this generation of consoles.</div>

trebor...I have to have at <b>least</b> twenty games between my PS2, DC, and Xbox, yet to be played! Many of which are still in the plastic! I'm waiting for five more games I have on order to arrive. I just finished up 80+ hours of FFX gaming last night. When I play a game as involving as that many other games, both new and old, don't get played. If I added GC to my collection it would be a total waste at this point. I don't have the time to play what I've got and I'm still always looking (and buying) for more!

I have four consoles hooked up to the 42" widescreen in the living room now...I've run out of electrical outlets! For me to hook up a "Cube" I'd have to sacrifice one of my other machines. (I suppose I could take my Saturn or DC and put one back on the 27" TV in the basement)

I figure I'll wait and pick up a GC later...maybe next year. I can still get my Nintendo fix up in the bedroom with my N64 if I want. Which I do sometimes when the "family" has control of the livingroom TV.

Oh well...although there's five or six GC titles I want to play...none are SO important to me at this point to change my gaming ways. "Eventually" as I said...

trebor

11-20-2003, 01:47 PM

trebor...I have to have at <b>least</b> twenty games between my PS2, DC, and Xbox, yet to be played! Many of which are still in the plastic! I'm waiting for five more games I have on order to arrive. I just finished up 80+ hours of FFX gaming last night. When I play a game as involving as that many other games, both new and old, don't get played. If I added GC to my collection it would be a total waste at this point. I don't have the time to play what I've got and I'm still always looking (and buying) for more!

I have four consoles hooked up to the 42" widescreen in the living room now...I've run out of electrical outlets! For me to hook up a "Cube" I'd have to sacrifice one of my other machines. (I suppose I could take my Saturn or DC and put one back on the 27" TV in the basement)

I figure I'll wait and pick up a GC later...maybe next year. I can still get my Nintendo fix up in the bedroom with my N64 if I want. Which I do sometimes when the "family" has control of the livingroom TV.

Oh well...although there's five or six GC titles I want to play...none are SO important to me at this point to change my gaming ways. "Eventually" as I said...

You must have the willpower of a saint to have so many unopened/unplayed games.

I usually can't wait to get home, rip open the shrink wrap and start playing whenever I buy a new game. Although I do have several games "on hold" right now, most notably the Resident Evil remake which I bought for $14.99.

Generally, I sell off my older systems when I buy newer systems. Sad thing is that I usually don't miss them when their gone, although I do wish I never got rid of my SNES.

Well, as long as you acknowledge that you'll need a Gamecube at some point, I'll let you off the hook....this time. ;)

The Buzz

11-20-2003, 02:11 PM

<div class=\"smallfont\">You must have the willpower of a saint to have so many unopened/unplayed games.

I usually can't wait to get home, rip open the shrink wrap and start playing whenever I buy a new game. Although I do have several games "on hold" right now, most notably the Resident Evil remake which I bought for $14.99.

Generally, I sell off my older systems when I buy newer systems. Sad thing is that I usually don't miss them when their gone, although I do wish I never got rid of my SNES.

Well, as long as you acknowledge that you'll need a Gamecube at some point, I'll let you off the hook....this time. ;)</div>

It's ALL good! :cool:

"The Game"Evolution

11-21-2003, 05:07 AM

<div class=\"smallfont\">He hates it because it's a Nintendo game.

It's not because it's a "rehash", that's for sure. Despite, Mass accusing Nintendo of reusing the same idea over and over again, this is only the third iteration of Mario Kart...any of you want to take a guess as to how many XBox games become "rehashes" if they are the third in the series?

Midtown Madness 3
Project Gotham 2
Panzer Dragoon Orta
DOA3
Unreal Tourney
Capcom vs SNK EO
Crazy Taxi 3
Doom 3
Sega GT

All horrible, horrible games, not worth playing :D</div>

Sorry but Mario Kart is a rehash.And yes I've played it for myself.And its a fun game.But its the same game like some of us has played on the N64.Yes the game looks great on the GC.And yes you can fit up to two characters into a car.And yes you can flip-flop either characters from the front seat to the backseat of each car.But um its still basically the same game.

And how many Dynasty Warrior games has the PS2 had? Up to about 4 now? And plus we now have Dynasty Warriors Tactics? LOL! Spare me the sarcasm please.

Onimusha 3? Starring the French guy from"Godzilla?" LOL! Plus there is an Onimusha game thats coming out thats like Super Smash Bros.Melee.Boy rehashes are a biatch arent they? Yep.

I cant wait to see some of you try to call Ninja Gaiden a rehash.

Plus let us not forget about VF4.First PS2 owners had VF4.Then under a year VF4:Evolution was released for just $20 bucks.And what made this so grand? Two extra characters and a extra game mode.At least Sega GT:online for the Xbox was only $20 bucks.But what made it different from the last one? You can play against others online.

DOOM 3 a rehash? Oh thats why it was one of the best PC games of last years E3.And now its going to be an Xbox game.Imagine that.

Capcom vs.SNK2 EO a rehash? Well the Xbox's version is online.Is anyone elses? Enough said.

Panzer Dragoon Orta a rehash? Really? So you are saying that if a franchise is recreated with a fresh paint job that its a rehash? Is that what you are saying? If thats the case then you might as well pull the plug on every game on the GC,the Xbox,and the PS2.

Gadfly2317

11-21-2003, 05:14 AM

<div class=\"smallfont\">I don't get this whole "MK-DD is a rehash, Nintendo sucks!" mentality at all. Yes, the name of the game is "Mario Kart" and it has a familiar cast of characters - but that's about the only thing you could say is a rehash. Red shells, green shells, mushrooms, lighting bolts - these are all staples of the Mario Kart series and they damn well better be in it.

You know that if MK-DD didn't have red shells, green shells, mushrooms and lighting bolts Mass-hole would be complaining about it. He will find some reason, or another, to dislike this game simply because it was designed by "Nintendo". Such hatred isn't good for the soul, you know?

This game simply has a different feel to it than it's predecessors. The 2-man team deal at first seems "gimmicky" until you notice how much inherant strategy is involved with a two member team. This isn't MK64 with better graphics.

Also, one thing I realized, is that this is the perfect game for Mario-haters. Where else would you have the perfect medium to unleash torment and damage to your least favorite plumber, other than MK? Think about it.</div>

Have you played the Co-op mode, or 2 on 2 co-op mode yet? I had a really good gamer over last night to race against, and we ended up trying out the co-op mode, and that's all he wanted to play for the rest of the evening. Anybody who calls this a rehash or the "same old game" is a TOTAL RETARD. "The Game" in a post below calls it a rehash just because he spent a few minutes playing it at a Wal-Mart Kiosk while he was on break from manning a cash register. What, Project Gotham II and Sega GT and Gran Turismo III are somehow not rehashes? Absolutely MK: DD adds way more different stuff then I've eve seen happen from one sequel to the next.

Two players in one cart is CRAZY fun. And it is HARD to get good teamwork going on. You both contribute to getting around corners, you both have to deal with weapons management (the driver can hold a weapon too) and when you are out of weapons the guy in the back can reach out and punch nearby carts, steal items, as well as make the whole kart lurch sideways to bash into people.

And this is but ONE little update. I'm going to do a whole post about this stupid "rehash" crap, so I don't want to go on too long. But man, how is it a rehash when it is BARELY even the same game except for the style and that its in the Mario universe? There's like double the driver's, and combining them creates so many weight and weapon permuations, not to mention when you add in the ability to select so many different Karts (something that didn't exist AT ALL in previous series.)

All I can say is that Mass and "The Game" either just hate Nintendo and haven't spent any serious time with this game, or they are just TOTALLY RETARDED.

no.1gamer

11-21-2003, 05:35 AM

I don't understand how the "rehash" thing makes a game bad. Mario Kart had such a great formula that making any drastic changes to it would have ruined the game. So all I want is "improvements" to the formula which means better graphics and everything else that can be done without altering the winning formula of the original. And Super Smash Bros. Melee is still selling like crazy. I wouldn't be surprised if this game has sold more copies than any other game this generation (except GTA and GTA:VC of course). SSBM has been in the top 20 selling games list for the GCN for like 2 years now. I don't think a "rehash" is a bad thing at all! Although I really enjoy playing innovative games, I like playing the tried and true games as well.

I hope that Metroid Prime 2 is the biggest "rehash" of them all! Metroid Prime is so frikken great that I want the next one to be the exact same gameplay but with different a level design.

"The Game"Evolution

11-21-2003, 06:29 PM

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Have you played the Co-op mode, or 2 on 2 co-op mode yet? I had a really good gamer over last night to race against, and we ended up trying out the co-op mode, and that's all he wanted to play for the rest of the evening. Anybody who calls this a rehash or the "same old game" is a TOTAL RETARD. "The Game" in a post below calls it a rehash just because he spent a few minutes playing it at a Wal-Mart Kiosk while he was on break from manning a cash register. What, Project Gotham II and Sega GT and Gran Turismo III are somehow not rehashes? Absolutely MK: DD adds way more different stuff then I've eve seen happen from one sequel to the next.

Two players in one cart is CRAZY fun. And it is HARD to get good teamwork going on. You both contribute to getting around corners, you both have to deal with weapons management (the driver can hold a weapon too) and when you are out of weapons the guy in the back can reach out and punch nearby carts, steal items, as well as make the whole kart lurch sideways to bash into people.

And this is but ONE little update. I'm going to do a whole post about this stupid "rehash" crap, so I don't want to go on too long. But man, how is it a rehash when it is BARELY even the same game except for the style and that its in the Mario universe? There's like double the driver's, and combining them creates so many weight and weapon permuations, not to mention when you add in the ability to select so many different Karts (something that didn't exist AT ALL in previous series.)

All I can say is that Mass and "The Game" either just hate Nintendo and haven't spent any serious time with this game, or they are just TOTALLY RETARDED.</div>

First off I at least played the game with an open mind to see for myself how the game was.And I also said that it was indeed a fun game to play.I even went as far as to say that it looked fantastic and played very well.

But if anyone has played Mario Kart on the N64 before then this game will be really be nothing new to them.Other than better graphics, being able to ride two characters in one car at the same time,an additional co-op mode added, and being able to choose different cars whats totally different about this Mario Kart compared to the last one? Not much.

I dont hate Nintendo.I love Nintendo.I owned every single Nintendo console thats ever been out over the last 15 years.I just didnt love what Nintendo did with the GC.

Whatever greatness the GC has to offer I can get the same magic from my N64.I dont hate Nintendo by any means.They just make alot of the same crap that I've played before on the N64.Thats all.

Why spend money on another console when I can still get some of the best gaming from the last console Nintendo produced? Just because I see things differently from you doesnt make me retarded.You're the one screaming to the rafters about why people dont like what they see on the GC not us.To me thats beyond retardation IMO.

Yes Sega GT was nothing new except for adding the option of online play.An online game for $20 bucks is a pretty good buy if you ask me.Same goes for PGR II.Better graphics,tight gameplay,and online gaming.To some these are the same games like the originals,but at least a huge asset was added to both games:ONLINE GAMING.

Whats so new and bold about MarioKart compared to those two racers? Not much.Plus GT III looks to be another great looking racer.If the game is online playable then it'll be even better than the last one.

If Mario Kart could've been online then this game truly would've been that much better.Other than that its a cool party game if you're a GC owner.But other than that its more of what most of us has seen before.

Gadfly2317

11-21-2003, 06:58 PM

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But if anyone has played Mario Kart on the N64 before then this game will be really be nothing new to them.Other than better graphics, being able to ride two characters in one car at the same time,an additional co-op mode added, and being able to choose different cars whats totally different about this Mario Kart compared to the last one? Not much.

I dont hate Nintendo.I love Nintendo.I owned every single Nintendo console thats ever been out over the last 15 years.I just didnt love what Nintendo did with the GC.

Yes Sega GT was nothing new except for adding the option of online play.An online game for $20 bucks is a pretty good buy if you ask me.Same goes for PGR II.Better graphics,tight gameplay,and online gaming.To some these are the same games like the originals,but at least a huge asset was added to both games:ONLINE GAMING.

Whats so new and bold about MarioKart compared to those two racers? Not much.Plus GT III looks to be another great looking racer.If the game is online playable then it'll be even better than the last one.

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Do you not see how HILARIOUS this statement you just made is?--Other than better graphics, being able to ride two characters in one car at the same time,an additional co-op mode added, and being able to choose different cars whats totally different about this Mario Kart compared to the last one? Not much. It took you a whole paragraph to list the new features, and you didn't even get half of them!!!!!! And you have to ASK why I call dismissing this as "the same old game" as retarded when you go on to praise GTIII (it's GTIIII that is coming next) as "looking great" and saying if it adds just ONE feature hardly anyone uses--dial-up online--then it will be great? Please tell me you see the BS/hypocrite factor there?

And I know you haven't spent any real time with the MK DD co-op mode if you've even played it at all. This is so different. I admit, I thought it was going to be a gimmicky addition until we tried co-op on a whim last night and ended up playing it until way too late (very tired at work today.) All these additions ratched up the fun-factor on this franchise BIG TIME.

"The Game"Evolution

11-22-2003, 01:32 AM

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Do you not see how HILARIOUS this statement you just made is?--Other than better graphics, being able to ride two characters in one car at the same time,an additional co-op mode added, and being able to choose different cars whats totally different about this Mario Kart compared to the last one? Not much. It took you a whole paragraph to list the new features, and you didn't even get half of them!!!!!! And you have to ASK why I call dismissing this as "the same old game" as retarded when you go on to praise GTIII (it's GTIIII that is coming next) as "looking great" and saying if it adds just ONE feature hardly anyone uses--dial-up online--then it will be great? Please tell me you see the BS/hypocrite factor there?

And I know you haven't spent any real time with the MK DD co-op mode if you've even played it at all. This is so different. I admit, I thought it was going to be a gimmicky addition until we tried co-op on a whim last night and ended up playing it until way too late (very tired at work today.) All these additions ratched up the fun-factor on this franchise BIG TIME.</div>

Better graphics,new tracks,and a co-op mode is the only new factors for Mario Kart on the GC.Other than that the gameplay is STILL the same from the last one.Thats all I was saying.And its the truth.Plus if this game is truly as great as you think it is we'll see if anyone will still be talking about it in a month.(Besides you)

I wasnt riding GT III's sack either.I can only go by the screenshots that I've seen of it.We all know that we cant always go by screetshots of a game.I rather see a game in motion than rely on pics.Personally I never liked the GT series at all.But I know that in the eyes of many that the GT series is the measuring stick when it comes to racers.

If you like Mario Kart then good for you.I'm glad you played it until it was time to fall asleep.Some gamers are easier to please than others.I've played MK two times and enjoyed playing it both times.Yes I enjoyed being able to flip-flop both characters while driving,one drives while the other tosses Shells and Banana Peels from the rear.All good fun for about a half and hour.After that its time to move on to something else.(And FYI I played MK at my local Gamestop)

But I wouldnt pay $100 bucks for a GC to play MK on a daily basis though.I used to play the old Mario Kart with my Nephew.Back then the game was fun to play.Now? It just doesnt fit my videogame agenda now.Alot of games on the GC is simply a classic example of"Been there,done that." Thanks but no thanks.

Nobody is being a hypocrite here.I'm just telling you the truth,you just dont like to hear it.Plain and simple.

"The Game"Evolution

11-24-2003, 12:53 AM

<div class=\"smallfont\">What's an "Xbox zoobie?" I'm curious....

Actually, it is good to see Nintendo has it in them to fight back. Though I must say I am personally a bit dissapointed with Mario Kart Double Dash. It's a good game-but Crash Team Racing is still the #1 kart-racer in my book. And that damn bonus disc I stood in line for last night to get? BAH! Cheezy demos. What happened to the N64 version of Mario Kart that was supposedly going to be on the disc? If I knew all that I would get for driving 120 miles round-trip after a long day at work was a few crappy playables-I wouldn't have bothered.

I am playing games on all three current systems and loving them all. In just minutes, I will be sinking my teeth into Project Gotham 2 and Need For Speed Underground. Have a nice night everyone.

And sorry, I won't be around much at all now. Over the last week or so, this board has starting festering like a landfill. :o I'm not going to waste my time typing when all I get in return is a change of subject or petty insults toward my mother.</div>

First off,its good to see racing games starting to make a comeback these days.A genre that truly deserves to be more in the spotlight of the videogame world.Now on to you 78.

As much dirt as you've shoveled over the last month and a half you got the nerve to talk about the credibility of this board? LOL! Talk about calling the kettle black.Yes,maybe you should get out the kitchen if you cant stand the heat.You can dish it 78,but its apparent you get ghost quick when it comes to you taking it.

Gaming Geezer 78

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Yea, we should petition to allow game to come back...that is unless he doesn't know how to spoof his IP and change out his NIC.

If you ask me, if you're gonna ban game, ban geezer as well because they both egged eachother on to the point of insanity.
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Who are you now Tappy, the new mod around here? I don't know what happened to "The Game." I was gone for a day or so playing games and when I returned, he was banned. How or why I do not know nor do I care. The boards have been clean and decent since his departure. It doesn't take an Einstein to see that.

Why don't you make a petition? The worst that will happen is the mods will delete it.

The feeling is so mutual 78.So you're not going to be around here much? Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out 78.Peace.

trebor

11-26-2003, 09:43 AM

Have you played the Co-op mode, or 2 on 2 co-op mode yet? I had a really good gamer over last night to race against, and we ended up trying out the co-op mode, and that's all he wanted to play for the rest of the evening. Anybody who calls this a rehash or the "same old game" is a TOTAL RETARD. "The Game" in a post below calls it a rehash just because he spent a few minutes playing it at a Wal-Mart Kiosk while he was on break from manning a cash register. What, Project Gotham II and Sega GT and Gran Turismo III are somehow not rehashes? Absolutely MK: DD adds way more different stuff then I've eve seen happen from one sequel to the next.

Two players in one cart is CRAZY fun. And it is HARD to get good teamwork going on. You both contribute to getting around corners, you both have to deal with weapons management (the driver can hold a weapon too) and when you are out of weapons the guy in the back can reach out and punch nearby carts, steal items, as well as make the whole kart lurch sideways to bash into people.

And this is but ONE little update. I'm going to do a whole post about this stupid "rehash" crap, so I don't want to go on too long. But man, how is it a rehash when it is BARELY even the same game except for the style and that its in the Mario universe? There's like double the driver's, and combining them creates so many weight and weapon permuations, not to mention when you add in the ability to select so many different Karts (something that didn't exist AT ALL in previous series.)

All I can say is that Mass and "The Game" either just hate Nintendo and haven't spent any serious time with this game, or they are just TOTALLY RETARDED.

I have, in fact, tried the co-op mode with my fiancee. It was surprisingly tough, certainly no "walk in the park", so to speak. She isn't as adept as I am when it comes to picking up games quickly, so it was fun for her to not be consistantly "2nd place".

Communication between players is essential to victory. If the co-op players are interacting then the chances of winning a race are next to nil. It requires so much inherent strategy to be able to powerslide effectively and using goodies to their best potential.

I hope to someday get an 16 player co-op game going. Or would that be "rehashing" what the N64 game was like? LOL!